1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d November 2007 2 61 21_Hebrew Wordprocessing6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:32:50 -0700546_US-ASCII I am hoping that someone can instruct me on how to get the nekudos under the
letters when using a Hebrew wordprocessing program. I have Mellel for Mac
OS X. Please help me if you can.

All the best,
Shoshana Z.

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I know we have a few subscribers from Eretz HaKadosha on the list who are home schooling there. I would be very grateful to any of them who would contact me offlist.

Todah Rabah

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homeschoolers who want to purchase the Logo "Turtle" software that many of
us may remember from our own days in elementary school. Go to the following
link:

https://www.homeschoolbuyersco-op.org/index.php?option=com_epp_offer&Itemid=
450

The more people who order, the deeper the discount. Here is a link to the
software website if you want to know more about it: [...]41_4Nov200719:25:13-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 300 177 29_Re: Logo programming software13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:19:53 -0800403_iso-8859-1 Logo programming softwareWhat age is the earliest you could see teaching children these sorts of skills? (or what point should they reach developmentally first?) What is the value of learning these skills at a young age vs. waiting till they are teenagers? Are the projects they have for kids at this age enjoyable? (Excuse my ignorance, but, this wasn't available when I was in school) [...]44_4Nov200720:19:53-0800Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET 478 20 29_Re: Logo programming software6_Dahlia20_dahlia42@COMCAST.NET30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:52:06 +0000613_- You might also consider looking into SCRATCH, MIT's programming language for kids. It's online, free and is based on a puzzle-piece kind of model...for instance, a piece might direct an object to move 5 units to the right or something.

You can find it here: http://scratch.mit.edu/
-Dahlia

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As a new homeschooler of young children (oldest is currently working on kindergarten curriculum), I am struggling with how to set the tone and expectation of "school time". My daughter has never been in school and has never experienced the teacher/student relationship.

As we travel down the homeschool road, I am having a difficult time teaching her the expectation of when its time to learn. That is, what I expect from her when we sit down to learn etc. [...]40_5Nov200709:14:51-0700renaweisman@COX.NET 626 134 24_Re: Setting Expectations14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:41:33 -0500601_iso-8859-1 Logo programming softwareDear Rena,
I think you've made an interesting discovery: your daughter doesn't understand "school time", but you do! She has not begun to departmentalize her day into learning and play. She is learning all the time, even if you may n ot see this. Understandably, like many new homeschooling parents, you want to make sure she is learning. You may have a set idea about what learning should look like and are asking your child to bend to this idea. Perhaps you are nervous about her keeping up with schooled children. Your daughter is sending you a message. [...]39_5Nov200712:41:33-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 761 293 24_Re: Setting Expectations25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 16:04:34 -0600373_us-ascii bs'd

Rena,

Perhaps the most important thing here is not to have her
associate learning with things she's not ready for, or
threatened by. This can set up years-long antagonism
to the 'offending' subject or material.

Parsha can be taught as stories, or you can read to her
and translate as she watches your finger on the page. [...]48_5Nov200716:04:34-0600bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM 1055 77 24_Re: Setting Expectations13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:21:14 -0800542_iso-8859-1 I take a very relaxed approach to homeschooling young children (and am pretty relaxed with the older kids, too) so that's what you're going to hear from me. :) My strong feeling is to follow a child's lead in what they are ready to learn, and to follow their cues as to what they want to do. I really believe that a child (or adult) doesn't truly learn anything unless they are interested and engaged, and want to learn. We can make our kids of whatever age spit back facts of all sorts (the schools are really good at this), [...]43_5Nov200719:21:14-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 1133 36 29_Re: Logo programming software10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:51:28 +0200541_ISO-8859-1 Sharon Brooks wrote:
> (Excuse my ignorance, but, this wasn't available when I was in school)

LOL! That original post sure made me feel old! There was no such thing
as a personal computer when I was in elementary school - or highschool
either for that matter. The first "PC" I worked on was a Tandy TR80 from
radio shack (anyone remember those?). It was a notebook-sized word
processor with a window that would hold about 300 characters of text for
processing. And data was stored on tape, not disc. [...]38_7Nov200710:51:28+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 1170 251 24_Re: Setting Expectations9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 00:08:43 -0800529_ISO-8859-1 We live our life and are not locked into any one way--(at least
not for very long). On occasion we "play" school. It has just rarely lasts
for more than two weeks in a row. I let the kids pick the topics and I play
the teacher. I'm not much fun if they have me read something because I
usually fall asleep when I read out-loud. Recently I told my youngest(10)
that I would give her a straight hour and a half per day (three days a week)
so we could work on her reading skills. I'd say she reads [...]39_6Nov200700:08:43-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 1422 65 24_Re: Setting Expectations16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:27:36 -0800608_ISO-8859-1 I'd also be interested to know, as my son's of kindergarten age.
Brenda

Rena Weisman wrote:
> Good Morning All,
>
> As a new homeschooler of young children (oldest is currently working
> on kindergarten curriculum), I am struggling with how to set the tone
> and expectation of "school time". My daughter has never been in school
> and has never experienced the teacher/student relationship.
>
> As we travel down the homeschool road, I am having a difficult time
> teaching her the expectation of when its time to learn. That is,
> what I expect from [...]40_5Nov200719:27:36-0800lioness31@CA.RR.COM 1488 55 29_Re: Logo programming software14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:27:18 +0200563_ISO-8859-1 *Raises hand*

I used Logo in school. I just celebrated my third annual thirtieth birthday.

A few years before logo classes in school (I liked to make star shapes, I
recall), my sister got a Vic 20. It was already out somewhat of date, but
that used a tape drive.
I recently tried to explain the concept of a tape drive to my son. He just
looked at me in disbelief (kind of like when my dh tried to explain the term
"floppy disk" to our tech savvy nephew). So I didn't try to explain the
punch cards his grandfather [...]39_6Nov200714:27:18+0200malkie18@GMAIL.COM 1544 337 19_interesting article0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:23:10 EST561_US-ASCII saw this on mothering.com web site, had to copy/paste and post to this list.
if you can't beat them, join them? comments are appreciated!

Rena in Baltimore

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/childhood/standing-on-chairs.h
tml

Standing on Chairs
By Stacey del Fabbro
Web Exclusive - November 4, 2007

It's been an exhausting day of chasing my two sons, playing at the park and
washing cookie dough from the walls, the floor and my hair. I am more than
ready to enjoy supper with my family. [...]36_6Nov200708:23:10ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 1882 76 24_Re: Setting Expectations14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 05:59:33 -0800338_iso-8859-1 When my boys were at your daughter's age, lessons were limited to 15 minutes a few times a day, and we did this in a comfortable way -- on a bed, on the couch, on the floor. Age appropriate varies so widely that I would just see what she can comfortably and enthusiastically do, and drop (or usually repackage!) the rest. [...]44_6Nov200705:59:33-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 1959 67 29_Re: Logo programming software13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:37:36 -0800563_iso-8859-1 I think they offered one computer class when I was a senior in high school.
There was a computer in the job lab at school. You'd read questions on a
printout from a line printer and type in responses to get more info. It was
connected via phone modem - the kind where the receiver sat in a special
cradle. I thought about getting a computer a few years after high school,
when they were starting to be available. The first apples were starting to
come out, but you could also get radio shack or commodore. They used tape,
and [...]44_6Nov200707:37:36-0800Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET 2027 107 41_Re: Logo programming software (4.63/6.00)14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:09:33 -0500290_ISO-8859-1 Yup, I remember the TR80's. I was in elementary school I think, but I do remember having one - and trying to program, but since we didn't have a disk, my programs always got erased when I shut the computer down - kinda not encouraging for me to try to program very much. :) [...]43_6Nov200711:09:33-0500hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM 2135 35 29_Re: Logo programming software16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:50:39 -0800585_ISO-8859-1 I wrote my college papers with a typewriter!
Brenda

Sarah Kopp wrote:
> Sharon Brooks wrote:
>> (Excuse my ignorance, but, this wasn't available when I was in school)
>
> LOL! That original post sure made me feel old! There was no such thing
> as a personal computer when I was in elementary school - or highschool
> either for that matter. The first "PC" I worked on was a Tandy TR80
> from radio shack (anyone remember those?). It was a notebook-sized
> word processor with a window that would hold about 300 characters of
> text [...]40_6Nov200719:50:39-0800lioness31@CA.RR.COM 2171 189 23_Re: interesting article16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:56:26 -0800649_ISO-8859-1 Parenting can be such a trial at times, sometimes I lose sight of how to
just lighten up and have fun with my son.

RENALEVIN@AOL.COM wrote:
> saw this on mothering.com web site, had to copy/paste and post to this
> list. if you can't beat them, join them? comments are appreciated!
>
> Rena in Baltimore
>
> http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/childhood/standing-on-chairs.html
>
>
> Standing on Chairs
> By Stacey del Fabbro
> Web Exclusive - November 4, 2007
>
> It's been an exhausting day of chasing my two sons, playing at the
> park and washing cookie dough from [...]40_6Nov200719:56:26-0800lioness31@CA.RR.COM 2361 66 29_Re: Logo programming software25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:11:42 -0600531_us-ascii I kept a deck of punch cards around for old-times' sake.
I was working on a military project around 1990, and this
blonde contractor from California started working with our team.
Barbara, her name was. I couldn't resist. I told her straight-faced
that after the software was baselined, she'd have to take the punchcards
down to the basement and put the program onto cards, to be
stored in a secure vault in Fort Meade, Maryland.
THAT got her jaw to drop, and almost made her drop her surfboard. [...]48_7Nov200712:11:42-0600bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM 2428 54 17_Scratch-- thanks!14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:42:35 +0200721_ISO-8859-1 Dahlia,

Thank you, Scratch is terrific! Within an hour of downloading it, my son had
already developed an original game.

If anyone here wants their kids to learn the fundamentals of programming,
this is a great tool, endorsed both my computer programmer dh and our ten yo
son.

http://scratch.mit.edu/

Thanks again!

Malkie

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-Dahlia--a former programmer...
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Malkie Swidler
> Dahlia,
>
> Thank you, Scratch is terrific! Within an hour of downloading it, my son had
> already developed an original game.
>
> If anyone here wants their kids to learn the fundamentals of programming,
> this is a great tool, endorsed both my computer programmer dh and our ten yo
> son.
>
> http://scratch.mit.edu/
>
> Thanks again!
[...]41_7Nov200723:48:11+0000dahlia42@COMCAST.NET 2519 472 30_priceless homeschooling wisdom0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:56:54 EST568_US-ASCII saw this on another list, had to post it here.

Rena in Baltimore

The Bitter
Homeschooler's Wish List
>
>
>
> I am sure this is making the homeschooling list rounds.
>
> Perfect! and just in time for those fun family holiday moments!!
>

>
> > The Bitter Homeschooler's Wish List
> >
> > From Secular Homeschooling Magazine, Issue #1
> >
> > 1 Please stop asking us if it's legal. If it is - and it is -
it's
> > insulting to imply that we're criminals. And if we were
criminals,
> > [...]37_20Nov200707:56:54ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 2992 55 34_Re: priceless homeschooling wisdom13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:56:03 -0800591_iso-8859-1 LOL, thanks for sharing, Rena! This is excellent!

Avivah

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at 3:30 P.M!!! Reading aloud and drawing by the woodstove is one of our
favorite things to do. So, I am seeking jr. high/highschool level book
recommendations that your childen have enjoyed (especially boys). We
have a long winter ahead of us and we could use some inspiration and
fresh ideas.
Thank you,
>Kristen
ds15, ds13, dd10.5 [...]45_26Nov200717:03:40-0500natureartist@GSINET.NET 3133 45 28_Re: book recommendations 12+10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:04:54 +0200624_ISO-8859-1 Kristen Lehmann wrote:
> I am seeking jr. high/highschool level book recommendations that your
> childen have enjoyed (especially boys). We have a long winter ahead
> of us and we could use some inspiration and fresh ideas.
>
Not sure if these will suit your outlook but my boys enjoyed James
Herriott's books and animal adventure stories like White Fang, The
Yearling and Where the Red Fern Grows; true first-hand accounts of the
holocaust and of the Lehi against the British here in (then) Palestine,
and the autobiography of Rav Gez (the rav of the Kotel). Other beloved
boy [...]39_28Nov200716:04:54+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 3179 57 8_archives13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:34:58 -0800396_iso-8859-1 Bill, I've been trying to get into the archives repeatedly and my computer stalls every time I try to get into Torch-d. Can you post a link for the archives? I'm posting this onlist since I think it would benefit a lot of people, particularly the newer members, to have easy access to the archives. There's loads of useful information in there, answers to lots of questions, etc. [...]44_27Nov200714:34:58-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 3237 79 12_Re: archives2_CB23_chavayocheved@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:13:26 -0800625_iso-8859-1 I absolutely have the same problem, and would very
much like to access the archives!

Thanks Avivah,
Chava

--- Avivah Werner wrote:

> Bill, I've been trying to get into the archives
> repeatedly and my computer stalls every time I try
> to get into Torch-d. Can you post a link for the
> archives? I'm posting this onlist since I think it
> would benefit a lot of people, particularly the
> newer members, to have easy access to the archives.
> There's loads of useful information in there,
> answers to lots of questions, etc.
>
[...]45_28Nov200704:13:26-0800chavayocheved@YAHOO.COM