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2 31 13_History books10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:55:03 +0300358_ISO-8859-1 Has anyone read/used Sand and Stars by Berel Wein and Yaffa Ganz? Is it
interesting and appropriate for a bright 12 year old who has a slightly
lower English vocabulary? I would be reading the book aloud to him. The
set is soooo expensive, but if it would be good to use for a history
text I'd prefer it over a non-Jewish source. [...]38_2Sep200709:55:03+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
34 44 17_Re: History books6_Dahlia20_dahlia42@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:27:02 +0000328_- Sarah,
I just found a copy of Vol. 2 for a very low price I think at half.com. I then bought the $35 Vol. 1 directly from Artscroll. For some reason, Vol. 1 sells on the used book sites for > $50!!!! Anyway, I haven't received the books yet, but once I get a chance to look them over, I'll try to post a quick review. [...]41_2Sep200715:27:02+0000dahlia42@COMCAST.NET
79 56 17_Re: History books28_Jamie Rosenblum Lichtenstein25_jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:02:39 -0400509_US-ASCII I have Sand and Stars volume 2 (1500-present). I would say it's written so an average 12-14 year old reader would understand it. It's designed as a day school history textbook with many of the trappings I don't like about history textbooks, but has a good overview of the Jewish history. It doesn't cover the corresponding non-Jewish history with the exception of events that directly impact the Jews. Its focus in those cases is just enough information to understand what happened to the Jews. [...]46_2Sep200711:02:39-0400jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU
136 78 17_Re: History books14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:26:15 +0300580_ISO-8859-1 If you can get the real Berel Wein books, they are the best option. I was
*very* disappointed by Sand and Stars. I do not think Rabbi Wein had
anything to do with them beyond allowing an adaptation of his grown-up
books. For a 12 yo, go with the real thing.
Malkie
On 9/2/07, Sarah Kopp wrote:
>
> Has anyone read/used Sand and Stars by Berel Wein and Yaffa Ganz? Is it
> interesting and appropriate for a bright 12 year old who has a slightly
> lower English vocabulary? I would be reading the book aloud to [...]39_2Sep200717:26:15+0300malkie18@GMAIL.COM
215 28 7_history15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:49:13 -0700495_- I have had Sand and Stars for years and will finally assign it as our
history text this year for my 7th grade son. He already has a solid
understanding of world and American history, which I think is helpful for
context.
Kesiva vechatima tova,
michelle
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244 33 17_Re: History books14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:38:58 -0400636_iso-8859-1 I found it very engaging and appropriate for that age group. It doesn't
read like a text book. Maybe you could find an excerpt online?
Evelyn
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278 141 17_Re: History books14_Hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:54:54 -0700651_iso-8859-1 Could anyone please recommend to me resources I could
use to help my daughter with 6th grade...both hebrew
language and mostly secular studies...science, english
history...etc. English is not our first language and
i have Just transfered her out of a Chabad school to
another frum school that has a higher level of
academics....she really had NOOOOO backround up till
now...I am excited about all she could learn , but
nervous that I cannot help her with homework....and
dont forget...our day is VERY long...she doesnt get
home till 5;30 and begins at 7;30 am...( i absolutely
Hate that part!!! I sooo [...]41_2Sep200712:54:54-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
420 223 17_Re: History books14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:11:53 +0300407_ISO-8859-1 I would suggest a tutor. If it's outside of your budget, your local shul
Rabbi might be able to help you find someone as a volunteer, at least for
Jewish studies. Also, her school might have someone who can work with her
one-on-one until she catches up. Talk to the principal. At least then some
of her tutoring will be on school time and not bite into precious at-home
time. [...]39_3Sep200710:11:53+0300malkie18@GMAIL.COM
644 113 30_Tricky Situation - Need Advice12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:36:51 -0400570_ISO-8859-1 Hi,
I mostly lurk on this list, but I was put in a bad situation this
morning and REALLY need some advice - and yes it is homeschooling
related. This will be long, so sorry.
Anyway, I have been homeschooling for 9 years. Most of that time we
didn't live anywhere near a Jewish Day School, some people commuted an
hour or more for a Day School, but I chose to homeschool and I never had
any community problems - it was a VERY small community anyway. 4 years
ago we moved to a bigger "Medium" sized Jewish community, mainly [...]43_4Sep200713:36:51-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
758 129 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:06:52 +0000562_- I have a solution: for $500 I have friends who could make the rabbi disappear. He'd never be missed, from the sounds of it.
What he's asking you to do is totally inappropriate. She is a mature woman (I presume). It is up to her to decide whether homeschooling will be appropriate for her kids and her family. You are merely a conduit of information about homeschooling, not necessarily an advocate for it.
He cannot revoke her conversion. Personally I'd find it hard to believe he actually said that.
But he is free to make his case with her. At [...]48_4Sep200720:06:52+0000billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
888 451 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice15_lmcohn@juno.com15_lmcohn@JUNO.COM28_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:37:33 GMT523_us-ascii I, too, mostly lurk but I had to respond, Yonit. This is awful! How can a rabbi threaten such an insane thing? I mean, the woman is an independent adult who is free and clear to make her own choices, for better or worse. In my community, too, rabbis like to tell people what is appropriate for them or not, what is "recommended." It burns me up because a rabbi is NOT supposed to make decisions for his congregants; he is supposed to empower us with knowledge so we can make educated sound decisions. AAARGH! [...]34_4Sep200720:37:33GMTlmcohn@JUNO.COM
1340 41 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:22:37 -0400573_iso-8859-1 Yonit,
I realy feel for you. I believe I know the rabbi and school, but won't get
into that here. He must be threatened by homeschoolers. After all, it
doesn't look good for the Yeshiva and it takes funds away. Also, given his
long-term status in the community and age, well, it becomes a mindset. He
certainly was not acting thoughtfully. I thought one is not supposed to
even bring up a conversion once it is done. Once he calms down, you might
try telling him (or writing it in a letter) that homeschooling is in the
news and has [...]39_4Sep200716:22:37-0400ek2000@COMCAST.NET
1382 129 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:16:53 -0700555_us-ascii Dear Yonit, I have quite a few thoughts on this, I hope I can organize them appropriately: First of all, I cannot see how you could go and carry this Rabbi's message without mentioning that he called you. Aside from anything else, it would be g'neivas daas. Second, I agree that it was not at all appropriate for the Rabbi to contact you! I would like, in the spirit of Elul, to assume that this is an elderly man with too much of an emotional connection to the situation, that he is worried about the children remaining observant, and that [...]44_4Sep200714:16:53-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
1512 173 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:18:07 -0500427_US-ASCII bs'd
Yonit,
The Torah tells us that when give advice, it should be for
the benefit of the person whom we are advising, as opposed
to our own benefit.
Let's say the rabbi believes he is giving her advice that is
in her best interests. OK, we'll judge him in the scale of merit.
And he obviously feels very strongly that her kids are better off
in school than in her homeschool. [...]48_4Sep200716:18:07-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
1686 226 26_New and Introducing myself23_William & Kathi Kreider18_wkreider@NC.RR.COM30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:59:44 -0500506_iso-8859-1 Hi, my name is Kathi Kreider and I am new to the list. I am homeschooling
my daughter for seventh grade. We have actually homeschooled her from the
beginning, but about three years ago we became observant and having no real
Jewish upbringing myself, we placed her in the local day school. She
attended for 5th grade (their last official grade) and then part time last
year. She has now completely aged (and skilled) out of the day school and
we are back to homeschooling. [...]39_4Sep200717:59:44-0500wkreider@NC.RR.COM
1913 32 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:44:26 -0400365_ISO-8859-1 <completely inappropriate for him to ask me to do this? Should he even
be discussing her conversion status with me? >>
sickeningly inappropriate. all of it. discussing her conversion.
threatening to revoke it. 'she's not fit to educate her children'.
o.m.gosh. [...]39_4Sep200719:44:26-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
1946 110 17_Re: Kathi Kreider14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:18:15 -0400484_iso-8859-1 Sounds like you need a tutor of some sort or an online course. Did you checkout yeshiva online? There is also Partners in Torah which does a phone/email learning. You can also study together by using the web resources from aish hatorah (Jewish history, parasha) chabad.org, torah.org. If you call the Israel Book Store in Brookline, MA and ask for Reesa, she can help you order self-teaching books for your daughter.
Evelyn
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2057 45 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice13_Malka Matveev23_matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:37:46 -0400565_ISO-8859-1 I asked my husband and he said there's no such thing as conversion with a
condition attached, nor can anyone "revoke" her conversion (certainly not
according to Shulchan Aruch). Rather, he says, it sounds like some kind of
blackmail.
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2103 69 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:01:45 -0400446_iso-8859-1 > Dear Yonit,
>
> Are you sure you are not projecting your own feelings on to the situation?
This is, as you say, a rabbi in his eighties who until now, has given you
every reason to respect him. A rabbi who accepted your homeschooling
although it was not the norm in the community. A rabbi who, despite your
fears to the contrary, did not call you or attack you when the second
family started homeschooling. [...]37_4Sep200721:01:45-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
2173 79 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:47:12 +0300613_ISO-8859-1 I have 3 things to contribute to this discussion, I hope it's helpful:
1) Speaking as a veteran convert (I did Conservative AND orthodox) and
as a Chabadnik, I can assure everyone that there is no such thing as
conditional conversion; though a profession of intent to raise one's
children with a Jewish, or orthodox Jewish, education is in fact a
common requirement of prospective converts. It is up to the members of
the Beit Din to decide if they are convinced that the prospective
convert is both sincere and has the kelim to follow through on her
commitment before [...]38_5Sep200713:47:12+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
2253 72 19_Re: yeshiva online?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:46:40 EDT454_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/5/07 2:00:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:
> Sounds like you need a tutor of some sort or an online course. Did you =
> checkout yeshiva online?
Do you have a link for this? I used to, but no longer.
Thanks.
Rena in Baltimore
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2326 170 33_Re: homeschooling and conversions0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:08:42 EDT685_US-ASCII I have heard this type of thing several times....basically, conditions for a
conversion is that a person shows allegiance to Torah and mitzvos, one basic
way of showing this is committing to provide a Torah education for one's
children. Since community norms are that Torah education equals yeshiva/day school
education, this concept gets (inaccurately) translated as "your conversion is
contingent on your sending your children to day school/yeshiva". But this is
NOT really the intent....what is important is a committment to providing a
Torah education! Yes, for most people this will mean enrolling their children in
a yeshiva/day school, but [...]36_5Sep200709:08:42EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
2497 28 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:38:43 -0400504_iso-8859-1 I want to thank Sarah K., Sigal, and Chana S. for their thoughtful responses
to this most emotional situation. It touched a nerve in us all, but it is
good to remember, as we tell our kids, think before you do, and in this
case, say. We should give each person the benefit of the doubt, as hard as
this may be. We of course are hearing Yonit's perspective and cannot really
know what is going on in the heart and mind of the rabbi. Let us all learn
something from this. [...]39_5Sep200709:38:43-0400ek2000@COMCAST.NET
2526 83 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:20:03 -0400606_ISO-8859-1 I wanted to thank everyone yesterday for the advice, support and even a
little laughter. It was all extremely helpful.
I did want to clarify a few things. Things which I guess I didn't
necessarily make clear in my e-mail - or else it would have been even
longer than it already was!
The most important thing is that I never for one single moment, thought
that the Rabbi had anything but good intentions. He loves children and
yiddushkeit and honestly believes that the best way to give children a
love of yiddushkeit is day school. Absolutely, no doubt. His [...]43_5Sep200712:20:03-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
2610 61 19_Re: yeshiva online?14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:41:38 -0400508_iso-8859-1 www.shluchim.org (I don't know if it itheir online school is open to non-shluchim families.)
www.yeshivalonline.com
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2672 52 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:32:13 -0400468_iso-8859-1 > Yonit,
I think it will be useful for you to discuss your current dilemma with
your own rav, who can provide you with appropriate guidance as to how to
proceed.
I can also understand a very generalized call for support as you grapple
with the issue of how to negotiate the view of the 'establishment"
regarding homeschooling vs. your own beliefs in personal autonomy, an
issue that has been discussed here before as well. [...]37_5Sep200714:32:13-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
2725 72 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:50:14 +0000571_- Funny, I didn't see her "dissecting" the rabbi. I saw her attributing the best motives and acknowledging his concern, even if she disagreed.
There is nothing wrong with airing something like this on this list, as long as it is not done vindictively or inappropriately. I think people's reactions (mine anyway) were more along the lines of:
The rabbi's behavior in trying to enlist Yonit to change her friend's mind while trying to keep his role in this hidden, is way out of line.
He is free to state his case, to the woman in question.
She is free to [...]48_5Sep200718:50:14+0000billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
2798 43 29_CD ROMs as educational tools?12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:50:59 -0700421_iso-8859-1 Good Day Everyone!
I've been given a huge number of "educational CD-ROMs" from a friend of
ours. Her kids have outgrown them.
Our oldest is K"AH 4 and a half. We've decided to "label" this year as her
kindergarden year as we embark on our homeschooling adventure. We're still
in the process of finalizing our goals for the year. Right now our focus is
on the upcoming Yom Tovim. [...]40_5Sep200712:50:59-0700renaweisman@COX.NET
2842 76 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:47:20 -0500434_US-ASCII bs'd
Rena,
When my older daughter was almost 3, she started using
the computer. It helped her develop fine motor skills
(mousing) and written language (typing letters).
We found Reader Rabbit series to be age appropriate
from pre-school to 3rd grade; for 4th grade and up
we used Clue Finders and enjoyed it. Both my girls
enjoyed Arthur (whether being read to, or playing the
games). [...]48_5Sep200715:47:20-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
2919 220 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?15_[Rivkah Estrin]20_rivkahestrin@AOL.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:17:10 -0400543_us-ascii Rena,
My daughter will be 4 this month and we have also had success with CD ROMs. We were given some about a year ago as well. We did need to weed through them to find those that were age- and ability-appropriate. She and I?really enjoyed the time alone together at the computer (we only do computer time at naptime here at our house with so many little ones). I wouldn't spend a lot of time at the computer at this age, but an activity or 2 can be a great starting-off point for many topics and delightful conversations. [...]41_5Sep200720:17:10-0400rivkahestrin@AOL.COM
3140 29 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?11_Anna Zemble19_azemble@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:10:06 -04000_40_5Sep200719:10:06-0400azemble@HOTMAIL.COM
3170 167 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice22_Adam and Blair Allgood21_aballgood04@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:40:56 -0700354_iso-8859-1 This post struck a personal cord with me. From what I understand of the RCA, they require converts to commit to Jewish Day School. This is problematic for us, b/c we are homeschoolers who may or may not continue for the long haul. My opinion is that they need to revise their guidelines to allow for parents to homeschool their children. [...]42_5Sep200716:40:56-0700aballgood04@YAHOO.COM
3338 38 43_I meant JumpStart, not Reader Rabbit, sorry11_Anna Zemble19_azemble@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:34:48 -04000_40_5Sep200720:34:48-0400azemble@HOTMAIL.COM
3377 219 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:36:10 -0400535_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Bill! Chana, I am sorry if I said anything to offend you. That
was certainly not my intention, c"vs! I actually thought I was
defending the rabbi to a certain extent. I didn't write anything that I
wouldn't say to him in person and allow him to rebut. And in fact, there
is a good chance I will be saying all this to him.. Writing it all out
here though did help me to clear my mind and organize my thoughts a bit
better and help me see both sides to this issue. So thank you to those
that [...]43_5Sep200720:36:10-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
3597 60 17_sharing good news13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:18:32 -0700444_iso-8859-1 It goes to figure that I don't check my emails for a day and there are loads of interesting posts to catch up on when I get back online!
Instead of responding, for now I wanted to share our personal family's latest good news - we had a baby boy this morning, bringing the grand total to 8 great kids and for the first time in our family history, unevening the male/female ratio (5:3), with boys now having a strong lead. [...]43_5Sep200718:18:32-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
3658 60 21_Re: sharing good news14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:24:04 -0500559_windows-1252 On bahalf of the entire list I wish you a hearty mazal tov. May he be
zoche to Torah, chuppah and maasim tovim.
btw, you mention 8 great kids. How many do you have altogether?
Kol tuv,
Bill.
Avivah Werner wrote:
> It goes to figure that I don't check my emails for a day and there are
> loads of interesting posts to catch up on when I get back online!
> Instead of responding, for now I wanted to share our personal family's
> latest good news - we had a baby boy this morning, bringing the grand
[...]48_5Sep200720:24:04-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
3719 108 21_Re: sharing good news13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:38:34 -0700383_iso-8859-1 Bill, you didn't get to meet all of my kids when you were visiting Baltimore, or you would understand without asking about our family rule. We only have great kids. Period. :)
Avivah
Bill Bernstein wrote:
On bahalf of the entire list I wish you a hearty mazal tov. May he be
zoche to Torah, chuppah and maasim tovim. [...]43_5Sep200718:38:34-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
3828 44 19_Re: yeshiva online?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:56:33 +0300572_ISO-8859-1 Evelyn Krieger wrote:
> www.shluchim.org (I don't know if it itheir
> online school is open to non-shluchim families.)
>
>
I heard they have a K-4 curriculum on cd and I ordered it (it's only $6)
but they didn't want to sell it to me because I am not a shalicha. In
the end I got it. I don't care for it, however, and haven't used any of
it. The cd provides a weekly curriculum for each grade so homeschooled
kids will be in line with kids in Chabad schools. The online service is
mostly a place for [...]38_6Sep200712:56:33+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
3873 66 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:18:00 +0300553_ISO-8859-1 Rena Weisman wrote:
>
>
> Has anyone used the computer, at such a young age, as a succesful
> tool? Do you think it would be worth my time to go through each
> CD-ROM (I have at least 10 that are labeled as age
> appropriate/kindergarden)?
>
> All of your thoughts are most appreciated!
Personally I don't like to let the under 6's use the computer much if at
all. I saw that gaining control of the mouse is more frustrating than
fun and the whole thing is not part of what I intuitively feel is the
[...]38_6Sep200713:18:00+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
3940 33 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice11_Nechama Cox20_nechama@BOREALIS.COM30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:28:31 -0400401_us-ascii In part the requirement also means that people are living within a
Jewish community. Often homeschooling allows us to choose our home
without consideration of proximity to a Jewish school, and thereby be
further from a Jewish community. I can not see any orthodox group not
requiring that converts live within a Jewish community -- whatever
the position on homeschooling. [...]41_6Sep200708:28:31-0400nechama@BOREALIS.COM
3974 39 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 07:36:12 -0500639_ISO-8859-1 Typically that is covered by the requirement that people live within
walking distance of shul.
I think it is a red herring when applying to home schooling.
Bill Bernstein
Nechama Cox wrote:
> In part the requirement also means that people are living within a
> Jewish community. Often homeschooling allows us to choose our home
> without consideration of proximity to a Jewish school, and thereby be
> further from a Jewish community. I can not see any orthodox group not
> requiring that converts live within a Jewish community -- whatever the
> position on homeschooling.
>
>> [...]48_6Sep200707:36:12-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
4014 85 19_Re: yeshiva online?17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:57:32 -0400526_iso-8859-1 My daughter is in the online school. After many years of doing my own
schooling/ homeschooling, I much prefer my own teaching to the structure
of the traditional classroom.
But (and this is a big but)-- my daughter loves it, largely because of the
opportunity to interact socially with age-mates.
The plus is that it is short and flexible. first grade is about an hour a
day, second grade is two hours a day, third grade is two hour and a half
classes a day with Fridays optional. [...]37_6Sep200708:57:32-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
4100 61 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:28:53 -0400581_iso-8859-1 >Rena,
I'm with you on this one. I can see a CD-Rom an occasional sanity-saving
device to keep the kids busy at the computer while you bail water out of
your flooded basement, but much prefer children at that age to interact
with the "real world."
Chana
>
> I've been given a huge number of "educational CD-ROMs" from a friend of
> ours. Her kids have outgrown them.
>
> Our oldest is K"AH 4 and a half. We've decided to "label" this year as her
> kindergarden year as we embark on our homeschooling adventure. We're
> still
[...]37_6Sep200709:28:53-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
4162 55 34_Re: Tricky Situation - Need Advice15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:26:56 -0700727_- They may require Jewish day school, but who's to say for how long?;)
>From: Nechama Cox
>Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Tricky Situation - Need Advice
>Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:28:31 -0400
>
>In part the requirement also means that people are living within a Jewish
>community. Often homeschooling allows us to choose our home without
>consideration of proximity to a Jewish school, and thereby be further from
>a Jewish community. I can not see any orthodox group not requiring that
>converts live within a Jewish community -- whatever the position on
>homeschooling.
>
[...]46_6Sep200708:26:56-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
4218 54 14_Great Website!14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:34:25 +0300496_ISO-8859-1 My friends Amir and Ayala put together this site:
http://www.la-am.com/Heb/Eng_welcome.shtml
It is an interactive educational website currently entirely in Hebrew
(except for that welcome page). It's geared toward Israeli pre-readers, but
my son enjoyed it, too, because the games are structured in such a way that
you can play them in any way you want, and not necessarily in any one way.
It's a great way to supplement for Hebrew, even for older kids. [...]39_6Sep200722:34:25+0300malkie18@GMAIL.COM
4273 132 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:29:42 +0300579_ISO-8859-1 When my oldest was about 3.5, I became very ill, and I was unable to care
for him. He went from gan to his father's office, and the whole time he was
with his dad he played computer games. "Educational" ones. It saved us.
I would never do it l'chatchila, and my younger girls don't use the computer
(though sometimes they watch the older ds). The problem with these cd-roms
with little ones is the same problem with TV-- they foster passivity and the
feeling that life should have a lot more action than it does, entertain
them, and come [...]39_6Sep200722:29:42+0300malkie18@GMAIL.COM
4406 85 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:14:37 -0400600_iso-8859-1 The brain research suggests that lots of "brain shaping" is going on at this young age. Basically, this means wiring. The experiences and interactions young kids have really matter. So while there may be some educational value in the CD roms, the brain gets accustomed to a certain type of learning. Your child may develop some strong computer skills, but likely at the expense of something else. I have noticed more and more first through 3rd grade school kids who can't cut well with scissors, button their coat, fold paper, hand writing, and other fine motor skills and I wondered [...]39_6Sep200723:14:37-0400ek2000@COMCAST.NET
4492 77 33_Re: CD ROMs as educational tools?13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Fri, 7 Sep 2007 04:38:15 -0700621_iso-8859-1 I chose to let my son play the occasional computer game as a bribe/reward
when I needed the time and he'd done enough other things with his day. Some
were truely cute, fun, educational. I'm convinced that Reader Rabbit helped
get him excited about developing reading skills. Another one (Jump Start or
something else) got him interested in weighing fruit in the market. Several
were good for early math concepts (sets, simple addition/subtraction, etc.).
I don't regret letting him use them but I feel strongly that guidelines are
important. It was so easy for him to sit at this for [...]44_7Sep200704:38:15-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
4570 24 26_parsha and story websites?13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:17:34 -0700532_iso-8859-1 Do any of you have good websites to recommend parsha, yom tov, and other
torah based stories for children? I've come across all sorts, but I have a
feeling I'm missing some good ones.
thanks
sharon
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4595 49 14_story of Yonah14_Rebecca Elkoby21_elkobyc@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:45:31 +0000375_- I'm looking for a book on Yonah for my 6 year old. Does anyone know of any good books or sources for the story of yonah for little kids? I've seen the Artscroll one for kids. I'm not sure how it will go over with my daughter. It looks good but a bit "dry" in some parts. I remember the story as being a little more exciting. Any suggestions is appreciated.
Rebecca [...]43_11Sep200712:45:31+0000elkobyc@BELLSOUTH.NET
4645 101 30_Re: parsha and story websites?6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:08:51 -0600790_US-ASCII Rabbi Burston on-line (FREE!)
http://www.jewishaudio.org/stories/burston/
~Shoshana Z.
> Do any of you have good websites to recommend parsha, yom tov, and other
> torah based stories for children? I've come across all sorts, but I have a
> feeling I'm missing some good ones.
> thanks
> sharon
>
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4747 117 18_Re: story of Yonah6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:49:20 -0600543_ISO-8859-1 > It¹s not a book, but my kids looooooved this tape. Check it out on-line.
>
> http://www.jewishaudio.org/stories/burston/
>
> Scroll down to ³Reb Yitzchok and the Fish - Yonah - Ovinu Malkeinu² CD 51
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Shoshana Z.
>
> I'm looking for a book on Yonah for my 6 year old. Does anyone know of any
> good books or sources for the story of yonah for little kids? I've seen the
> Artscroll one for kids. I'm not sure how it will go over with my daughter.
> It looks good but a bit [...]42_11Sep200723:49:20-0600najova@EARTHLINK.NET
4865 170 30_Re: parsha and story websites?13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:05:47 -0700436_iso-8859-1 Re: [TORCH-D] parsha and story websites?Wow!!!Thank you for this tip! I'd been thinking about how I could get my children access to Rabbi Burston's tapes, and it never even occurred to me that I could find them online for free.
Shana Tova!
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5036 62 18_Re: story of Yonah14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:55:03 -0400537_iso-8859-1 Re: [TORCH-D] story of YonahI couldn't find the Yonah story. I tried another one, but it wouldn't open. Any tips?
Thanks,
Evelyn
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5099 21 52_5 DOZEN WEB LINKS TO SUCCOTH AND OTHER GOOD MATERIAL16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:15:19 -0400517_us-ascii http://www.j.co.il
Happy Holidays - Russell http://www.Rashiyomi.com/
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5121 96 30_Re: New and Introducing myself17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:33:40 -0400632_iso-8859-1 Kathi, as our kids grow older, they all hit areas which challenge our
abilities . . .
How you handle the Hebrew, Chumash etc. depends on your child, and you.
If your child is very self-motivated (and feels comfortable), she can
self-teach herself Chumash, using translations, dictionaries, grammar
references, etc. Alternatively, you may want to find someone who can guide
her.. setting work, answering questions, and meeting with her a couple of
times a week to make sure she stays on track. Perhaps she has an agemate
in school or older cousin, etc. who is studying Chumash who can 'teach" [...]38_24Sep200711:33:40-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
5218 24 19_maintaining sanity!16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM31_Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:40:46 -0700620_ISO-8859-1 What do hsing parents do when their child or children drive them crazy a
lot of the time? I don't want to send my son to school just to give
myself a break--but I'm interested to hear suggestions of how other
parents give themselves a break within an hsing framework.
Thanks,
Brenda
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5243 138 30_Re: New and Introducing myself8_S Ahlers22_familyahlers@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:46:39 -0700290_iso-8859-1 Hi, Kathi! We are in Asheville, NC (on the other side of the state). I would suggest meeting up with the Chabad rebbitzen and seeing what she can offer for your daughter. Chabad has an amazing amount of resources available and they are usually willing and able to help out. [...]44_24Sep200719:46:39-0700familyahlers@YAHOO.COM
5382 78 23_Re: maintaining sanity!10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Sat, 3 Jan 2004 07:11:29 +0200406_ISO-8859-1 Brenda Goldstein wrote:
> What do hsing parents do when their child or children drive them crazy
> a lot of the time? I don't want to send my son to school just to give
> myself a break--but I'm interested to hear suggestions of how other
> parents give themselves a break within an hsing framework.
> Thanks,
> Brenda
Great question, I can't wait to hear the answers! [...]38_3Jan200407:11:29+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL
5461 63 23_Re: maintaining sanity!22_Adam and Blair Allgood21_aballgood04@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:18:21 -0700467_iso-8859-1 I am so glad you asked that question, because as much as I love my kids, I could use an answer too.
Brenda Goldstein wrote: What do hsing parents do when their child or children drive them crazy a
lot of the time? I don't want to send my son to school just to give
myself a break--but I'm interested to hear suggestions of how other
parents give themselves a break within an hsing framework.
Thanks,
Brenda [...]43_25Sep200720:18:21-0700aballgood04@YAHOO.COM
5525 40 13_documentation10_BETH YOUNT17_mayaniboy@MSN.COM31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:24:44 -0400584_- Hello. I am homeschooling my fourth grade son in the Philadelphia area. I
have homeschooled in the past, but always in Kindergarten or 1st grade. In
Pennsylvania there are really no requirements for homeschooling prior to
second grade, so it has always been very simple.
Now I am required somehow to document 900 hours or 180 days of education per
school year. First, it seems like an excessive amount and trying to follow
that guideline led me to cover 6 weeks of math in our first week of school.
I don't plan to continue that pace. Second, I am not [...]39_25Sep200723:24:44-0400mayaniboy@MSN.COM
5566 76 23_Re: maintaining sanity!13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:11:33 -0700544_iso-8859-1 Some of us have perfectly behaved children so we don't have to deal with this issue - LOL!
Seriously, for me this is an issue that has become much less of an issue over the years - maybe partially because I don't have negative judgement of myself or my kids when some days are harder than others, and partially because we're used to being around each other and enjoy each other for the most part. If I see someone is having a hard time (and this includes me), I try to see where it's coming from, and address the source. [...]44_25Sep200721:11:33-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
5643 185 17_Re: documentation6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:53:39 -0600578_ISO-8859-1 It's funny that you brought this up now. I live in Colorado where there are
practically no requirements other than time clocked and testing/evaluation
every other year starting at grade three. I have felt a great deal of
pressure to create "proof" of our activities, but my style doesn't lend
itself well to this. I tried to use a standard teacher's record book but
just couldn't fill the spaces! So I created my own record pages that are
very flexible. If anyone would like to see what I have done, e-mail me off
list and I will send you a [...]42_25Sep200721:53:39-0600najova@EARTHLINK.NET
5829 112 23_Re: maintaining sanity!12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:22:11 -0700433_iso-8859-1 This is a great question...I think an almost daily struggle....is
homeschooling the right choice or are we just making ourselves crazy! :o)
B"H, I have a 4 1/2 yr old, a 2 1/2 yr old and a 7 month old so finding time
for myself is not so easy. My 4 1/2 year old is at the age where she is
smart enough to want to learn yet not old enough to read. She also has a
(somewhat) hard time self-entertaining. [...]41_25Sep200722:22:11-0700renaweisman@COX.NET
5942 41 9_My update4_Laya17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:37:49 GMT484_us-ascii Dear Amazing List,
I've loved this list so, and continue to treasure the friends I've made over the years I've shared here. Now that both my kids are in "school in a building" for the second year running, I've taken on some new projects that leave me with a full schedule. While I love reading the posts and contributing still from time to time, I know I need to move on and unsubscribe. It's hard for me to do and I can't do it without a formal note to you all. [...]37_26Sep200705:37:49GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM
5984 84 17_Re: documentation13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:39:45 -0700342_iso-8859-1 I just this month have been experimenting with a record-keeping method with
my 1st grader. For the moment this is for our own purposes, but I thought
the time may come when I really need to do it and it wouldn't hurt to get
some kind of system in place. We just looked over the first month and feel
good about it. [...]45_25Sep200723:39:45-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
6069 74 23_Re: maintaining sanity!13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:54:07 -0700523_iso-8859-1 Hi Brenda,
I see a number of good answers coming to you, and I'm not sure this is quite
different, but when there are no older kids involved, here are some
thoughts.
I've sometimes told my child(ren) that I need a timeout. I go to my room
and ban them from it, and take some time to cool off doing whatever helps
(phone call, rest, writing, davening, hitbodedut...whatever). I think this
helps show that time outs aren't just a punishment, but a way of gaining
self-control. [...]45_25Sep200723:54:07-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
6144 73 17_Re: documentation28_Jamie Rosenblum Lichtenstein25_jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU31_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:28:19 -0400507_UTF-8 My brother in law and sister in law are homeschooling in PA 4 kids - 3 of which are old enough to require documentation. From what I understand, they have 2 items - one is a standard list of the PA required subjects with check boxes and room to write the date at the top. They have copied this whatever the required number of days is (I think 180) for each kid and each has their own notebook. As part of their bedtime ritual, mom sits with the kid and says, so what did we do in history today - [...]47_26Sep200704:28:19-0400jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU
6218 81 18_Re: documentation?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:48:19 EDT598_US-ASCII according to the the woman who is our liasion with our umbrella group, the
laws in our state (maryland) are much easier to live with than the laws in
pennsylvania (just over the line). so it is not your imagination, IT is difficult
to document everything that they are requiring in Pennsylvania. I know that at
one point we had considered doing some work through an online program based
in Pennsylvania, but felt that it was too cumbersome, precisely for this
reason. Since most of the people in the program were from pennsylvania, there were
a lot of "hoops" to [...]37_26Sep200708:48:19EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
6300 50 17_Re: documentation11_Lora Newman17_lora237@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:57:26 -0700540_iso-8859-1 Beth-
I am also in PA. As a disclaimer, I have not yet had
to file (kids all under 8). However, friends who do
file assure me that it is not as onerous as it sounds.
The documentation of a school day is more like
checking off a day on your calendar than it is a log
of everything you did that day. Basically, *you*
decide what constitutes a day of school. The log is
just a list of books, not an accounting of when you
used each one, and the portfolio only has to contain a
few samples, to [...]39_26Sep200708:57:26-0700lora237@YAHOO.COM
6351 90 25_Re: documentation, part 20_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM29_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:00:42 EDT574_US-ASCII I wanted to add a few other things to my last post....I am glad PA requires
standardized testing in certain grades, and that they require that certain
subjects be taught (such as fire safety, PA history, civics, physical ed, etc)
I have to admit, that with being a fulltime homeschooler of two girls, and
fulltime on-call caretaker for an elderly and very sick mother, I would be
soooo tempted to leave out the testing and extra subjects if PA did not require
them. The law keeps ME on the up and up as well, and I have to admit that
[...]41_26Sep200715:00:42EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM
6442 194 18_Re: documentation?0_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM29_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:56:28 EDT629_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/26/2007 9:09:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
RENALEVIN@AOL.COM writes:
according to the the woman who is our liasion with our umbrella group, the
laws in our state (maryland) are much easier to live with than the laws in
pennsylvania (just over the line). so it is not your imagination, IT is
difficult to document everything that they are requiring in Pennsylvania. I know
that at one point we had considered doing some work through an online program
based in Pennsylvania, but felt that it was too cumbersome, precisely for this
reason. Since most of the people in [...]41_26Sep200714:56:28EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM
6637 170 17_Re: documentation0_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM29_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:44:49 EDT434_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/26/2007 1:31:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lora237@YAHOO.COM writes:
Beth-
I am also in PA. As a disclaimer, I have not yet had
to file (kids all under 8). However, friends who do
file assure me that it is not as onerous as it sounds.
The documentation of a school day is more like
checking off a day on your calendar than it is a log
of everything you did that day [...]41_26Sep200714:44:49EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM
6808 94 17_Re: documentation13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:18:59 -0700615_iso-8859-1 I've got lots of thoughts on this, but because yom tov is so close, I'll keep this short.
I totally disagree - strongly, strongly, strongly disagree that burdensome laws protect children and keep parents doing the right thing. Laws do not keep criminals from doing bad things. Gun control laws don't keep criminals from illegally getting and using weapons, and homeschooling laws don't keep abusive people from abusing their kids. Neither does school attendance protect kids from abuse - just look at the many, many thousands of abused kids in the school system. And even in a state like PA, [...]44_26Sep200712:18:59-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
6903 124 17_Re: documentation14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:11:23 -0500423_windows-1252 Agreed 100%. State involvement in education is more about control than
anything else. I dont want someone else dictating what I should or
shouldn't be teaching my son. It is my responsibility. And if I mess up,
it is his responsibility to fix it. Not anyone else's.
That's why Avivah has 6 terrific kids.
Bill Bernstein
Nashville TN.
"Standards? We don't need no stinkin' standards." [...]49_26Sep200718:11:23-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
7028 153 17_Re: documentation11_Nechama Cox20_nechama@BOREALIS.COM31_Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:41:56 -0400351_iso-8859-1 I also agree
And of course there are so many cases of kids who are abused going to
school and nothing being done about it, that I seriously doubt there
are many people who homeschool their kids in order to hide that they
are hurting them. Didn't that guy who kidnapped the 16 year old boy
allow him to go to school? [...]42_29Sep200722:41:56-0400nechama@BOREALIS.COM
7182 72 23_Re: maintaining sanity!16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM31_Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:17:30 -0700558_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Avivah. Those are good questions to ask oneself.
Avivah Werner wrote:
> Some of us have perfectly behaved children so we don't have to deal
> with this issue - LOL!
>
> Seriously, for me this is an issue that has become much less of an
> issue over the years - maybe partially because I don't have negative
> judgement of myself or my kids when some days are harder than others,
> and partially because we're used to being around each other and enjoy
> each other for the most part. If I see someone is [...]41_29Sep200722:17:30-0700lioness31@CA.RR.COM
7255 289 14_documentation?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:36:41 EDT548_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/27/07 2:00:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:
> don't have to tell you what this sort of behavior makes us look like to
> "the others". Why should we be any less accountable than parents with
> children
> in "regular" school?
>
> We moved back to PA with a new outlook on the strict laws here. I support
> them, as does Howard Richman, director of PA HOMESCHOOLERS, because it helps
>
> weed out the kinds of people who really should not be homeschooling, [...]37_30Sep200709:36:41EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
7545 54 24_Re: Documentation / LAWS16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:30:02 -0400441_us-ascii Hi
First happy Succoth. I think we can ALL agree that we need not document
our happiness with God's holidays because it is obvious from looking at
all the budding succah hoppers how happy everyone is.
Aviva has a point but her conclusion is incorrect. No-law is better than
a bad law. But a correctly formulated law DOES PROTECT PEOPLE (on the
whole). Its job is not to ELIMINATE but rather REDUCE crime. [...]39_30Sep200712:30:02-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
7600 379 18_Re: documentation?9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:50:01 -0700586_ISO-8859-1 I do not ask the State for permission to HomeSchool and they have never sent
me any legal letters telling me that I must. If you believe that you must
sign up for State recognition, then you will be obligated to comply with
their rules. It makes sense. I have a friend that registered her children
for homeschooling with the State to get free classes offered to
homeschoolers. The next year she decided not to use the free classes and
did not register the children. She received a letter of Truancy from the
State (or school district). Once you ask [...]40_30Sep200711:50:01-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
7980 27 3_New14_Borisute-gmail18_borisute@GMAIL.COM31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:05:38 -0400324_Windows-1252 Hi
I'm home schooling my 9 year old boy this year to do some investigating into
his learning styles among other goals. He is one of 10 children and we live
in New York. I am new to the blog and wonder if anyone knows if there is any
registration or documentation I am suppose to be doing here. [...]40_30Sep200717:05:38-0400borisute@GMAIL.COM
8008 33 7_Re: NEW16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:09:05 -0400511_us-ascii Nava [What a pretty name]
Welcome to our list (We are more than a blog!).
**WE** (in contrast to the state) do not require any documentation just
being yourself and general friendliness.
I see that you are in Brooklyn. If you window show (with your son) thru
the book stores on 16th and 13th avenue you can probably find many books,
many styles and your son and them will probably just naturally hook up
(You can usually tell by facial expressions what turns him on). [...]39_30Sep200718:09:05-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
8042 190 18_Re: documentation?28_Jamie Rosenblum Lichtenstein25_jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:55:03 -0400333_US-ASCII In PA all kids must be in a state recognized school starting at age 8 or they are automatically truant. I'm not sure how the state finds out they exist in the first place, but the state also has similar controls on private schools. My ILs don't recommend homeschoolers move to PA, but have various reasons to be there. [...]47_30Sep200718:55:03-0400jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU
8233 34 17_Re: DOCUMENTATION16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:44:36 -0400416_us-ascii Jamie
Seems to me that PA is no different than any other neighborhood issue. If
the school yeshiva or whatever in a neighborhood was bad and you had some
kids you would consider that a valid reason for moving.
Well if the state is bad that is also a valid reason for moving.
Most people consider "good schools" to be a valid reason for both leaving
and moving a neighborhood. [...]39_30Sep200720:44:36-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM