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2 164 35_Re: Questions about teaching Kodesh25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM31_Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:39:02 -0500536_us-ascii bs'd
Gaby,
I wanted to share thoughts on what might be called the meta-curriculum
and how it fits in with what is taught from the regular curriculum.
My Rav zt'l taught us that girls need to know Hashkafah/Da-ath Yisrael
(a Torah worldview along with the answers to all the important "Why
questions").
And girls need to learn, internalize, and live excellent Torah middoth
(character). They need to know practical Halakha to be able to live
properly
and run a household properly. [...]49_31Jul200722:39:02-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
167 132 47_Re: Advise on Homeschooling vs School-schooling12_Judith Cohen22_judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM30_Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:05:59 -0400439_ISO-8859-1 Its also a good first step. Didn't many of you start homeschooling asking
about curriculum and how much time to spend on each subject ... only to
finally realize that your kids don't need that and in fact flourish without
it. If it could break the stigma of having to actually send your child to
Yeshivah, then I am sure most parents would then realize that there are even
more effective ways to homeschool. [...]43_1Aug200708:05:59-0400judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM
300 42 35_Re: Questions about teaching Kodesh14_Jennifer Moran20_jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU30_Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:43:50 -0500461_us-ascii Bill B. wrote:
>I had this conversation with Rena Levin when I visited
>Baltimore last week. We agreed that actual skills or
>content covered is not nearly as important as inculcating
>an attitude towards learning. Many people grew up with
>little or no Jewish education (including the listowner of
>Torch-D) and went on to overcome that and even develop
>into talmidei chachomim (not including the listowner of
>Torch-D). [...]41_1Aug200713:43:50-0500jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU
343 21 25_large family of hsed kids16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:53:26 -0700544_ISO-8859-1 These kids are all homeschooled!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_fe_st/17_kids
Brenda
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365 61 29_Re: large family of hsed kids13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Sat, 4 Aug 2007 19:29:01 -0700656_iso-8859-1 The Duggars are an amazing family, really an inspiration. I knew Michelle was due around the end of July, and was glad to hear the good news. Thanks for posting.
Avivah
Brenda Goldstein wrote:
These kids are all homeschooled!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070803/ap_on_fe_st/17_kids
Brenda
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427 34 54_Re: Teaching Girls (and boys) Hashkafah/Da-ath Yisrael16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:51:57 -0400387_us-ascii Ben
My experience has been that the best text to learn Hashkafah from is Rav
Hirsch's commentary on the Torah. I have gone thru many other books. But
after spending one year doing Rav Hirsch on the Parshah you really cover
a great variety of topics and all in serious depth. I have found no other
book that approaches Rav Hirsch (When it comes to Hashkafah) [...]38_5Aug200712:51:57-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
462 56 23_mukseh for preschoolers16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 11:45:26 -0700445_ISO-8859-1 My son's 4 1/2, and he won't stop playing with mukseh things on Shabbos
and Yom Tov. We tell him that we don't handle mukseh items on Shabbos
and Yom Tov, but we don't do anything more than that. I read that we
should enforce it more starting from when he's six, of chinuch age. I
also don't want to turn him off from Judaism because I won't let him do
something he wants to do. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Brenda [...]40_5Aug200711:45:26-0700lioness31@CA.RR.COM
519 46 35_Re: Questions about teaching Kodesh14_Gaby Neuburger17_ylb@NEUBURGER.ORG30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 12:00:52 -0700557_ISO-8859-1 Thank you so much, everyone, for your insights on how to approach the Kodesh
side of homeschooling!
Gaby
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566 86 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:20:15 -0700548_iso-8859-1 Hi Brenda,
It so much depends on the kid. We started telling my eldest about it when
he was barely a toddler, and by 3 he was warning everyone else away from
mukseh. My middle goes along with it, but it's not clear if she cares. The
youngest I suspect is going to be more of a challenge. But one thing that
always helped was just putting away some of the biggest offender toys before
Shabbos. I even involved Shua in that when he was little. I also have some
things we never put the battery in in the first [...]44_5Aug200714:20:15-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
653 96 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:16:21 -0500604_us-ascii bs'd
Brenda,
If your son sees that you consider following muktzeh rules is
a grown-up thing to do, and you praise him for it, he's more
likely to go along with it. You and your husband might go
around the house together before Shabbos (leave extra time!)
with him and say "I'm setting aside this special thing for
a non-muktzeh purpose!" (like a rock as a doorstop, or a very
flat ruler as a bookmark). "This computer/piano keyboard is
muktzeh, so I'm covering it now." And let him cover things
while saying it. Don't yell if he touches muktzeh things [...]48_5Aug200717:16:21-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
750 47 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:49:35 -0700593_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Benzion and Sharon. I also believe in modeling good behavior and
praising good behavior in the child--but my son's such a tester; I don't
always see positive results of my parenting.
Brenda
Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben) wrote:
> bs'd
>
> Brenda,
>
> If your son sees that you consider following muktzeh rules is
> a grown-up thing to do, and you praise him for it, he's more
> likely to go along with it. You and your husband might go
> around the house together before Shabbos (leave extra time!)
> with him and say "I'm setting [...]40_5Aug200720:49:35-0700lioness31@CA.RR.COM
798 184 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers11_Chava Brown25_tiffanyevabrown@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:19:30 -0700514_us-ascii My son is just turning 3, but he has become a real zealot about mukseh! We try not to spend the day saying "We don't do that on Shabbat." There are plenty of times during the week that I also have to say "no" to coloring, making music, etc., because those are not always appropriate activities at the time he wants to do them. So I can also say "No, we are not doing that right now, we are doing X" instead of "We don't do that on Shabbat." I do try as much as possible to offer alternative options, [...]46_6Aug200700:19:30-0700tiffanyevabrown@YAHOO.COM
983 103 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:59:51 +0300593_ISO-8859-1 I would warn all parents to be wary of "praising good behaviour" -- praise
is the other side of (and equal to in many ways) punishment. (An excellent
book on the subject is Alfie Kohn's "Punished by Rewards".) Children usually
know if they've done something good or not, and if they've done something
right or not and in general they don't need us to tell them. If we tell
them, repeatedly and frequently, then it can become a problem that they
"need" to check with us on everything they do, and won't/can't/don't do
anything unless they are sure they are [...]41_6Aug200715:59:51+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
1087 345 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers15_[Rivkah Estrin]20_rivkahestrin@AOL.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 09:28:30 -0400569_us-ascii A?very interesting thread. My daughter, who will be 4 next month, is also very interested in mukseh but in a more technical manner. If she asks whether a certain activity is permitted on Shabbos (this week it was riding her bike) she'll look at me and say, "But Mom, it's not turning lights on and off." True, Hannah, very true. I have tried explaining the melachot to her, in reference to the building of the mishkan as well as in the realm of creativity, as my daughter won't settle for typical preschool answers herself. Any suggestions on how to make [...]41_6Aug200709:28:30-0400rivkahestrin@AOL.COM
1433 590 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:28:43 -0500671_us-ascii bs'd
Rivkah,
The first thought that came to my mind is that you could work with your
daughter on making
small version of clothing worn in the mishkan (good for doing a play
with afterwards). That would
give practical melakhot. Agricultural melakhot would be a great
learning experience for
biology also.
The thing that's more of an intellectually oriented melakha is "makeh
b'patish" (doing the
final step in a work -- literally making the final hammer blow to finish
a piece of metalwork).
Completing electrical circuits are more issues of "boneh - building" and
Makeh B'Patish
than of making fire. [...]48_6Aug200710:28:43-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
2024 99 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:09:10 -0700592_ISO-8859-1 They talk about constructive feedback vs. praising in "How to Talk So
Kids Will Listen and Listen So Kids Will Talk) by Adele Faber and Elaine
Mazlish, an excellent book.
Brenda
Louise Fox wrote:
> I would warn all parents to be wary of "praising good behaviour" --
> praise is the other side of (and equal to in many ways) punishment.
> (An excellent book on the subject is Alfie Kohn's "Punished by
> Rewards".) Children usually know if they've done something good or
> not, and if they've done something right or not and in general they
> [...]40_6Aug200710:09:10-0700lioness31@CA.RR.COM
2124 704 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:41:11 -0700577_iso-8859-1 I found one of my children open to a wide range of learning here. I started with the 39 Av Melachos of Shabbos illustrated book and discussed one melacha at a time. It made for good Shabbos learning.
From books, I aim for illustrated books that show some of the processes in question. For example, a children's book about weaving, or the steps in farming grain, or working leather. My goal isn't interpretation of halachah, but rather a basic intro to yet another aspect of my child's fascinating, complex and working world, and how it relates to Torah. [...]44_6Aug200710:41:11-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
2829 33 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:34:52 -0400473_ISO-8859-1 <something about your feelings.>>
the difference i think you're going for is the difference between
praise that describes versus praise that evaluates/judges.
<< With regard to the muktseh toys/items, I am strongly in favour of putting
> them out of reach for Shabbat, with the child's help if he can deal with
> that, without his help if he's not ready for that.>> [...]39_6Aug200715:34:52-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
2863 52 32_hsers at Sternberg this session?13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:30:22 -0700552_iso-8859-1 When I visited my 12 yodd yesterday at Camp Sternberg, I was chatting with someone in the office and happened to discover that a homeschooler from this list has a daughter in my dds co-bunk. What made this especially interesting was that the two girls were pen pals for a short time two or three years ago, and had already met in camp, but neither of them realized who the other was since they just introduced themselves by first names. (Devorah S., yes, I'm referring to Rani!) I told dd about it and told her to re-introduce herself! [...]43_6Aug200719:30:22-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
2916 70 14_Re: No praise?12_Harry Broome21_harrybroome@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:57:28 -0700572_iso-8859-1 Louise - the examples you gave for non-judgmental comments related to arts and crafts. I just read similar advice in a nice book called Everyday Art For Kids by Carolyn Holm. The book argues for "open art" - focusing on allowing the child to explore a project on his or her own without outside expectations. It makes sense in that realm because the goal of the parent is (usually) for the child to experience the process; the focus is not on ending up with some particular final product. But how do you do this with behavior, habits, learning mitzvos, and [...]42_6Aug200723:57:28-0700harrybroome@YAHOO.COM
2987 188 14_Re: No praise?13_Malka Matveev23_matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:07:24 -0400512_ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I'm relatively new to this group (I posted an intro but I never
received it, if that makes any sense.) I just wanted to say a few comments
about this topic. Please keep in mind that I haven't read the book and so
I'm basing my comments on what I've read here. I would be ineterested in
reading more because it's a new approach which I find intriguing, but my
"gut" tells me that children naturally crave praise and approval, and should
receive it in healthy doses. [...]44_7Aug200710:07:24-0400matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM
3176 137 14_Re: No praise?10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:47:08 +0300562_ISO-8859-1 OK, Harry, I'll try and give some more examples:
If the kids have cleared their plates from the table after a meal, I could
say: "I'm so pleased to see the table has been cleared. That makes the
washing up much easier."
If a toy/game has been left on the floor, I would point out to the child/ren
that was/were playing with it, "This game is still on the floor but it looks
like you've finished playing with it." If drawing attention to it is not
enough to make the child/ren realize they should go and tidy it up, I [...]41_7Aug200717:47:08+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
3314 63 14_Re: No praise?13_Malka Matveev23_matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 10:30:20 -0400607_ISO-8859-1 I think I might have been too long-winded. To sum up my thoughts, I believe
that the author is correct that praise and other forms of reward are the
flip-side of puinishment. I also believe this is how it should be, and that
both reward and punishment are necessary tools to bringing up children,
especially if a person believes in the Torah (and I'm not saying you do).
Reward and punishment are integral beliefs in the Torah, with Hashem as the
Judge. Those who believe more relativistically or who just believe
differently will find the book appealing, and I respect [...]44_7Aug200710:30:20-0400matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM
3378 28 14_Re: No praise?6_Dahlia20_dahlia42@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:48:59 +0000399_- Hi...I'm relatively new also. I read Alfie Kohn's book(s) a few years ago, but I believe his thesis is not so much that it is "bad" to praise or punish, but that it is not as effective as other types of communications in helping individuals to find an internal locus of morality, knowledge, motivation, whatever. He examines this thesis in the realms of business, family life, and education. [...]41_7Aug200716:48:59+0000dahlia42@COMCAST.NET
3407 179 14_Re: No praise?13_Malka Matveev23_matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:26:55 -0400568_ISO-8859-1 Thanks for these examples Louise, I understand better now.
I also try to keep judgmental tones out of my criticism, I agree that it's
destructive. I agree with the way you handled those situations, and I do
speak likewise with my children. I find that when I calmly point out that
they've spilled something and say cheerfully, well, I guess you should get a
few paper towels to clean it up, the kids are more than happy to take
responsibility - I doubt that would be the case if a parent had an angry
tone or made an unkind or [...]44_7Aug200713:26:55-0400matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM
3587 128 14_Re: No praise?16_Brenda Goldstein19_lioness31@CA.RR.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:01:42 -0700550_ISO-8859-1 Again, they talk about this kind of parenting in "How to Talk So Kids
Will Listen..."
Brenda
Louise Fox wrote:
> OK, Harry, I'll try and give some more examples:
>
> If the kids have cleared their plates from the table after a meal, I
> could say: "I'm so pleased to see the table has been cleared. That
> makes the washing up much easier."
>
> If a toy/game has been left on the floor, I would point out to the
> child/ren that was/were playing with it, "This game is still on the
> floor but [...]40_7Aug200712:01:42-0700lioness31@CA.RR.COM
3716 53 14_Re: No praise?13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:32:06 -0700544_iso-8859-1 I feel like playing devil's advocate and saying something on the other side of the equation.
Firstly, I've read and enjoyed Alfie Kohn's books, and think he makes a lot of good points. The last time I read one of his books, though, I wondered about how he would handle the challenges of homeschooling and a large family. He's quite liberal, and I have to wonder if he and I would define success in the same way. I use this as a barometer of what I read (or observe) more and more - the people who have gotten the results [...]43_7Aug200714:32:06-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
3770 107 27_Re: mukseh for preschoolers23_Leat and Albert Silvera22_lasilvera1@HOTMAIL.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 15:23:19 -07000_43_7Aug200715:23:19-0700lasilvera1@HOTMAIL.COM
3878 41 14_Re: No praise?12_Harry Broome21_harrybroome@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0700555_iso-8859-1 Thank you Louise and everyone else! I'm going to check out Alfie Kohn's books and "How to Talk...".
Harry
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3920 188 14_Re: No praise?10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:32:28 +0300384_ISO-8859-1 More thoughts:
I don't think anything Aviva said is really being devil's advocate or
disagreeing with what I wrote. And before I go any further, I must say that
I'm not at all sure that I've "mastered this approach" and I know my
dealings with my family (and everyone else) still need a lot of work! But
this is the direction in which I'm working.) [...]41_8Aug200710:32:28+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
4109 54 14_Re: No praise?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:27:35 +0300532_ISO-8859-1 I found this article: "The Power and Peril of praising Your Kids"
http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/
to be very enlightening, and looking at my twins who are now nearly 17 I
see how the praise issue affected each of them. You'll have to read the
article to understand my comment, but the fact is that the twin who is
quick academically and always got called "smart" has much lower
self-esteem and self-motivation than the twin who didn't hear that kind
of subjective praise all his life. [...]38_8Aug200714:27:35+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
4164 54 14_Re: No praise?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:41:58 +0300597_ISO-8859-1 Malka Matveev wrote:
> I would be ineterested in reading more because it's a new approach
> which I find intriguing, but my "gut" tells me that children naturally
> crave praise and approval, and should receive it in healthy doses.
>
> Furthermore, if a parent believes in an absolute morality, such as the
> Torah, then I believe parental approval is an integral part of
> chinuch. You are training children to seek to be pleasing in Hashem's
> eyes, to seek His approval.
I have to disagree a teeny bit with the above statement. Children crave
love [...]38_8Aug200714:41:58+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
4219 82 40_Re: Natural consequences, was No praise?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:30:45 +0300554_ISO-8859-1 Louise Fox wrote:
> Giving them the tools to learn halachot and having them see that we
> consult with a Rav on questions of halacha shows them the appropriate
> way to behave in this area. Minhagim and chumras are different issues
> and can be explored differently.
We also have had success getting our kids to ask a Rav when they have a
question about a moral or ethical issue. It usually means we ask the Rav
with the child present rather than expecting them to ask on their own,
but it has been a great way to [...]38_8Aug200715:30:45+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
4302 117 14_Re: No praise?14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:56:30 -0500566_ISO-8859-1 The following is a response by Mrs. Bernstein. I share her sentiments
and will be dropping my own bomb--oops, submitting my own post, later.
A good thing I'm the listowner.
-Bill
In response to your statement to be wary of "praising good behavior", I
only have to say - you have got to be kidding. Where it is true that
most children know when they have done something right or wrong they
generally have learned that as they grow from infancy to childhood and
hear their parents saying "very good" or "no, don't do that." [...]48_8Aug200708:56:30-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
4420 94 14_Back to School10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:34:28 +0300434_ISO-8859-1 My dd9 is going back to school. (You remember, the one who hated
homeschooling, was bored, waited every day for her friends to get home
from school so she could go play, pretended to everyone outside the
family that she switched schools because she was embarrassed for anyone
to find out she was homeschooling, wouldn't try anything I suggested to
her and insisted she just wants to go back to school?) [...]38_8Aug200718:34:28+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
4515 73 14_Re: No praise?13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:30:23 -0700518_iso-8859-1 One thing I haven't seen - maybe I wasn't following carefully enough - is just plain thanking them. This doesn't fit every situation, but for example, when my children help clean up, I don't praise them. I thank them. I figure this is what I would do with an adult, so why not with kids? it has an element of praise to it, I suppose, but it's basically eretz. I guess I even thank them for listening sometimes when I know it was challenging, or when it especially benefits me.
My thoughts
sharon [...]44_8Aug200708:30:23-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
4589 116 18_Re: Back to School0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:07:08 -0500577_ISO-8859-1 I have 2 school aged kids, DD is 14 and DS is 12.
Daughter has been traditionally schooled all her life. She loves it. She loves being with friends, the activity etc etc. Currently she's in a magnet public school. She bristles at suggestions to home school her.
Son has been homeschooled since 4th grade. He hates the idea of traditional school and loves learning with me. He bristles at the suggestion of being put back in school.
To me this is what homeschooling is about, what works best for the child. Some kids just thrive in a traditional school [...]48_8Aug200711:07:08-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
4706 37 18_Re: Back to School14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:11:00 -0400584_iso-8859-1 Sarah,
It sounds like you thought this through very thoroughly and painstakingly
and have come up with the right path for y our daughter. Remember, there is
not one size fits all. We are supposed to "train a child according this his
ways". You daughter seems to fit the true definition of an extrovert and
"social butterfly". Perhaps homeschooling in Israel is less mainstream than
in the US and she was sensitive to this. Whatever the reasons, if it is
working for her, that's the way to go. My 16 year old daughter asked to go
out of town to [...]39_8Aug200712:11:00-0400ek2000@COMCAST.NET
4744 111 14_Re: No praise?15_[Rivkah Estrin]20_rivkahestrin@AOL.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:27:04 -0400520_us-ascii Sharon,
I was thinking something quite similar. I always thank my kids when they do something, whether I prompted them to do it or if it was something they did themselves. I also think of it as common courtesy. And my kids are always saying please and thank you, at ages 2 and almost 4. I believe it has taught them that they can gain and give respect equally - at any age - with a variety of actions, big and small (putting their dishes in the sink, helping out?a sibling, listening nicely, etc.). [...]41_8Aug200712:27:04-0400rivkahestrin@AOL.COM
4856 38 14_Re: No praise?13_Kerith Earlix17_kerith@EARLIX.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:14:02 -0700575_US-ASCII What an interesting topic this has been!
I too loved Alfie Kohn's book when I read it a couple of years ago. I own
it, but haven't read it recently so it's not completely fresh in my mind,
but what I took from it was this...
It's not praise per se that is damaging, but praise without any evidence to
back it up. So instead of saying (about a painting), "Wow, that's gorgeous,
you're amazing!" you say things like, "I *love* what you did with the
different lines here." or "This picture looks like 2 different things at the
same [...]38_8Aug200723:14:02-0700kerith@EARLIX.COM
4895 109 14_Re: No praise?13_Malka Matveev23_matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 9 Aug 2007 13:18:00 -0400391_ISO-8859-1 I think it also helps to define praise. When the original poster said "no
praise" I assumed this meant no positive verbal feedback, only nonjudgmental
descriptions. The examples originally given fit with my understanding:
which was something like, instead of saying she did a good building a block
tower, say "I see your tower has 10 blocks in it" (or whatever). [...]44_9Aug200713:18:00-0400matveevfamily@GMAIL.COM
5005 31 17_Re: Another intro19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM28_Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:56:22 GMT704_- Hi, Dahlia
Whereabouts in Michigan are you? We are in Oak Park-Southeast MI and
would love to connect with other homeschoolers! Feel free to contact
me off-list.
Malki
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5037 169 7_praise?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Fri, 10 Aug 2007 08:45:32 EDT606_US-ASCII coming in late to weigh in....I think this has been discussed pretty well
here, want to just elucidate a few points.
the choice is praise versus constructive feedback (actually I think there is
another term, but overtired, mush for brains here, can't remember the exact
terminology).
this can be done all the time, in all venues. you are basically not using
broad, global terms like good boy, good girl! that was great! rather, you are
getting very specific: Good job! I like the way you organized the family room.
The room was a big mess, I see you were able [...]37_10Aug200708:45:32EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
5207 56 11_Re: praise?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:59:02 +0300629_ISO-8859-1 RENALEVIN@AOL.COM wrote:
> It seemed that these parents, in their desire to incorporate these
> ideas into their parenting, bent over backwards the other way, to the
> point that they were not willing to set boundaries, give their
> children any guidance/direction as to what was desired/good or right
> and reasons as to why! some of the examples that these parents were
> giving as to what they considered acceptable and not in terms of
> communicating left me absolutely stunned. their parenting style
> bordered on neglect, leading to anarchy in the home!
>
> Furthermore, these [...]39_11Aug200723:59:02+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
5264 45 18_Re: Back to School10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:12:36 +0300449_ISO-8859-1 Thank you Bill and Evelyn for your comments. I feel better about this
difficult decision and more optimistic that all will go well for the
schooled and home schooled kids in the coming year. The ds7 starts back
to school tomorrow - he still loves school and is enthusiastic. And as
dd5 did much more with greater enthusiasm before dd9 came home too, I
think he'll do better at home with me when she is back in school. [...]39_12Aug200700:12:36+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
5310 89 38_I'm taking the plunge - a bit nervous!15_lmcohn@juno.com15_lmcohn@JUNO.COM29_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:53:03 GMT534_us-ascii Hi folks -
Well, we have been going back and forth about homeschooling for years, really, and at some point in the spring, I felt like I wouldn't be able to handle it while also working part-time (from home, as a writer), so we enrolled our oldest two kids in day school for the fall. But all summer, my daughter, Eliana, has been saying she doesn't want to go to school.
So, we decided to let her stay home this year and just jump in and homeschool. Now, she's only 3.5 (4 on Sukkot), so it feels fairly easy for [...]35_12Aug200702:53:03GMTlmcohn@JUNO.COM
5400 79 14_Re: No praise?12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 00:56:21 -0400352_us-ascii This discussion has been really interesting and useful. I just wanted
to add one point to all of the good ones that have already been made.
People have talked about various types of feedback:
- general praise ("good girl" etc.), which isn't helpful in most
cases (but almost everyone says things like this sometimes!) [...]44_12Aug200700:56:21-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM
5480 72 14_Re: No praise?10_Rachel Ann24_anolick@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:12:34 +0300564_us-ascii Validation? Perhaps that is the word you are striving for?
I do think it is important to just sometimes tell a kid you think
they are great, but I try to say what I think they have done that is special.
>But..... no one has mentioned another type of feedback. Not sure
>what to call it... but I'm thinking of comments that help a child
>tune into his/her OWN feelings about his/her work. Things like:
>
>"Wow! You must have worked really hard on this."
>
>"Thank you for showing this to me! I know you put a lot of [...]46_12Aug200713:12:34+0300anolick@NETVISION.NET.IL
5553 129 42_Re: I'm taking the plunge - a bit nervous!14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:03:53 -0700589_us-ascii Dear Lynne, I also work from home (mostly), and significantly more than part time! One thing I have found helpful is to liberate myself from the "school schedule" -- homeschooling does not start in September nor does it end in June, we homeschool year-round and meet our children's needs year-round. First of all, it gives you the flexibility of "spreading" what you think "must be covered" over 12 months instead of 9, and secondly, it puts homeschooling in the context of something you already do -- raising your kids. In addition, it makes learning a way of life for your [...]45_12Aug200705:03:53-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
5683 97 14_Re: No praise?12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:53:34 -0400433_us-ascii >Validation? Perhaps that is the word you are striving for?
Some of the examples I gave are a bit like validation, but that's not
really what I was after. I'm talking about turning the child's
attention to his or her OWN feelings/reactions.
>
>I do think it is important to just sometimes tell a kid you think
>they are great, but I try to say what I think they have done that is
>special. [...]44_12Aug200711:53:34-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM
5781 278 42_Re: I'm taking the plunge - a bit nervous!13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:05:08 -0700386_iso-8859-1 Well, our situation is similar, although the path I'm going to take this fall is different. My almost 6 wants to stay home, and my 3.5 daughter wants to be in school. I considered a few possibilities, and so far I can't find a way that really makes it work given that I've also got a 13 month old at home and limited financial options. But I'm not working besides this. [...]45_12Aug200711:05:08-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
6060 57 41_Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....4_A.S.26_avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:41:12 -0700383_iso-8859-1 Hi,
My nearly 3 yr old needs some new books and my mind is going blank! I don't remember what we were read at that age.....
I need for age 4-6 so she can grow into them. Something a bit more than board books and Pat the Bunny and those that teach colors and ABCs. Something with a bit of a story line to it and pics but not TOO many words.........HELP! [...]48_14Aug200702:41:12-0700avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM
6118 191 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:16:16 -0500469_iso-8859-1 All of my children btwn. ages 2-6 enjoy the middos series for children from Artscroll. The latest was Eli and His Little White Lie. Seriously, they want this book read over and over and over especially the 2 and 4 y.o. The books are light and entertaining.
Mandy
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6310 54 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:52:07 -0400377_us-ascii >I need for age 4-6 so she can grow into them. Something a bit more
>than board books and Pat the Bunny and those that teach colors and
>ABCs. Something with a bit of a story line to it and pics but not
>TOO many words.........HELP!
Hachai has tons of great books for kids that age. That's their
specialty and they are very high-quality books. [...]44_14Aug200709:52:07-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM
6365 103 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:14:46 -0700490_iso-8859-1 My DD was interested in All of a Kind Family around
ages 5-6.
Are you ONLY looking for Judaic books?
I have a handful of books that we simply adore that is
age appropriate for that age - although they are not
"Jewish" books:
Big Red Barn and Runaway Bunny by Margaret Wise Brown
Seven Silly Eaters by Mary Ann Hoberman
Make Way for Ducklings by Robert McCloskey
Dahlia by Barbara McClintock
Henry Hikes to Fitchburg by D.B. Johnson [...]39_14Aug200707:14:46-0700ssheiny@YAHOO.COM
6469 94 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....4_A.S.26_avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:37:42 -0700365_iso-8859-1 HaChai being a publisher or author?
Avigayil
Yael Resnick wrote:
>I need for age 4-6 so she can grow into them. Something a bit more
>than board books and Pat the Bunny and those that teach colors and
>ABCs. Something with a bit of a story line to it and pics but not
>TOO many words.........HELP! [...]48_14Aug200707:37:42-0700avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM
6564 152 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....4_A.S.26_avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:36:18 -0700327_iso-8859-1 Hi,
NO, I would consider books with a Jewish theme but there is something about Jewish kids books that makes my skin crawl.....doesn't that sound awful? I can't put my finger on what it is but I think it's because they tend to "talk down" to the kids or cutsify Jewishness. That's what I've seen anyway. [...]48_14Aug200707:36:18-0700avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM
6717 64 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:03:20 -0400516_iso-8859-1 Try Eric Carle books, Dr. Seuss, Curious George, Frog and Toad (Arnold Lobel).
Evelyn
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6782 222 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:09:46 -0400337_us-ascii Publisher -- http://www.hachai.com
I find Hachai books to be much less didactic than Artscroll and
others. More interesting, too. Books by Dina Rosenfeld are a good
start - she has lots.
I can be more specific if you want, and I do have secular books to
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7005 166 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....28_Jamie Rosenblum Lichtenstein25_JROSENBL@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:35:59 -0400238_US-ASCII My nephews loved the Frog and Toad books and the Little Bear books at that age. They are great stories and use simple enough words and enough pictures kids will come back to them when they start reading on their own.
Jamie47_14Aug200712:35:59-0400JROSENBL@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU
7172 332 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....25_Dickman, Benjamin H (Ben)27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:25:42 -0500492_us-ascii bs'd
Avigayil,
My kids found a range of reading levels from ~ages 3-8 in Dr. Seuss
books.
There are simple ones like "One Fish Two Fish, Red Fish Blue Fish" to
wonderful awareness-raising books like "The Lorax".
The Berenstain Bears series is excellent (ages 4-8).
"Arthur" series is good for ages 5-9.
www.marypopeosborne.com/works.htm
shows what Ms. Osborne has done. Magic Tree House series
was a big hit at my home (ages 6-9 ?) [...]49_14Aug200711:25:42-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM
7505 390 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....15_[Rivkah Estrin]20_rivkahestrin@AOL.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:37:01 -0400610_us-ascii My daughter (4 next?month) loves Dr. Seuss, Shel Silverstein (with some parental editing) and all the First-Time Readers books - Thomas the Tank Engine, Berenstain Bears, Dora. Lately she has been all about the first-grade chapter books. The library carries a few series of these type of books and my daughter loves recalling the previous chapter every night when we read the next one. Great exercise in comprehension and it also eliminates the "What are we reading tonight" decision. Although I must admit some of the the books are written awfully, in a silly 6-yr-old speak, and there are lots [...]42_14Aug200717:37:01-0400rivkahestrin@AOL.COM
7896 96 45_Re: Need book recommendation for 3 yr old....14_Gaby Neuburger17_ylb@NEUBURGER.ORG31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:54:16 -0700650_ISO-8859-1 Here are some of my recommendations:
Goodnight, Moon by Margaret Brown
The Little Engine That Could by Watty Piper
Caps for Sale by Esphyr Solbodkina
Harry the Dirty Dog by Gene Zion
Corduroy by Don Freeman
Kipper by Mick Inkpen
Diary of a Worm by Joanna Cotler
Any of the "Froggy" books by Jonathan London
Click, Clack, Moo Cows That Type by Doreen Cronin
Franklin books by Paulette Bourgeois
Blueberries for Sal by Robert McCloskey
Five Little Monkeys Jumping on the Bed by Eileen Christelow
We're Going on a Bear Hunt by Helen Oxenbury
Margery Cuyler books
Rosemary Wells books
[...]39_14Aug200715:54:16-0700ylb@NEUBURGER.ORG
7993 68 11_book sales!4_Laya17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:40:37 GMT385_us-ascii I hope this gets through--minus the graphics, here's the latest ad from Dover books. They have good prices to begin with and some nice products. Hope this helps. by the way, www.kinderklassics.com is going out of business and is selling everything for 80% off! (including Jewish books!)
I'm not sure the links will come through so you might have to cut and paste. [...]37_15Aug200708:40:37GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM
8062 30 10_Camp story13_Kerith Earlix17_kerith@EARLIX.COM31_Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:59:56 -0700552_US-ASCII My 4-year-old daughter spent a week at a Jewish summer camp sponsored by our
kollel. It went from 9 to 2, and she always jumped into my arms when I
picked up her up, with little tears in her eyes. I thought it was because
she was just wiped out, and they were doing lots of outdoor activities. She
did say something about kids taking toys from her or something, but
sometimes it's hard to tell what exactly is going on. Friday morning I was
getting her dressed, and she just started to sob and looked at me with big
[...]39_19Aug200704:59:56-0700kerith@EARLIX.COM
8093 30 18_not getting emails15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:03:15 -0700705_- B"H
Dear Moderator,
I haven't gotten any Torch-d emails in weeks. While I'm pretty sure this
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8124 48 22_Re: not getting emails14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:48:59 -0500827_ISO-8859-1 Actually it's a conspiracy.....
Bill Bernstein
Delegate to the protocols of the elders of Zion....
Michelle Miller wrote:
> B"H
>
> Dear Moderator,
>
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> this involves my server, please resubscribe me and I'll see if it helps.
>
> Thank you,
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8173 74 22_Re: not getting emails15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:12:21 -0700755_- B"H
Bill,
If it was a conspiracy, I'd know about it because we all (the Elders of
Zion) meet at my house for cheesecake and blintzes........
>From: Bill Bernstein
>Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] not getting emails
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:48:59 -0500
>
>Actually it's a conspiracy.....
>Bill Bernstein
>Delegate to the protocols of the elders of Zion....
>
>Michelle Miller wrote:
>
>>B"H
>>
>>Dear Moderator,
>>
>>I haven't gotten any Torch-d emails in weeks. While I'm pretty sure this
>>involves my server, please resubscribe me and I'll see if it helps.
[...]47_27Aug200719:12:21-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
8248 94 22_Re: not getting emails14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:17:17 -0500717_ISO-8859-1 Nope. Because it's a "double-secret conspiracy."
b
Michelle Miller wrote:
> B"H
>
> Bill,
>
> If it was a conspiracy, I'd know about it because we all (the Elders
> of Zion) meet at my house for cheesecake and blintzes........
>
>
>> From: Bill Bernstein
>> Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>> Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] not getting emails
>> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:48:59 -0500
>>
>> Actually it's a conspiracy.....
>> Bill Bernstein
>> Delegate to the protocols of the elders of Zion....
>>
>> Michelle Miller wrote:
>>
>>> B"H
>>>
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8343 96 33_How do you keep things organized?15_Rachel Gurevich25_rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:31:06 +0300605_ISO-8859-1 Hello, everyone,
I'll help break open the list conspiracy here... ;-)
How do you keep everything organized?? Specifically, all your crafts,
paints, pipe cleaners, cotton balls, craft sticks, beady eyes, crayons,
markers, colored pencils, paper -- the small sizes, the big size, the odd
sized one, all the stuff that you keep for future projects, like toilet
paper rolls, and so on, and so forth. How do you keep it within reach of
your kids, so they can be free to create, but at the same time, keep it
together? How do you keep a handle on your kids craft [...]47_28Aug200716:31:06+0300rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM
8440 51 19_re-intro + question13_gilla s weiss20_weissfambh@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:32:41 -0700518_iso-8859-1 I have been quietly , happily lurking here for ages :)
my name is GIlla and we live in South FLorida with ou 7 kids. Our oldest is 19 , 14 , 13, 11, 7, 6 and 4. the younger ones have homeschooled , and then last year 2 of them went to school. Right now , we are considering homeschooling the younger 3 again and I have some questions.
I was thinking of registering them with the state k12 program so that we could get the curriculum, it doesn't cost anything and for me, it seems easier, since I [...]42_28Aug200707:32:41-0700weissfambh@YAHOO.COM
8492 107 37_Re: How do you keep things organized?10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:10:19 +0300583_ISO-8859-1 Rachel Gurevich wrote:
> Hello, everyone,
>
> I'll help break open the list conspiracy here... ;-)
>
> How do you keep everything organized?? Specifically, all your crafts,
> paints, pipe cleaners, cotton balls, craft sticks, beady eyes,
> crayons, markers, colored pencils, paper -- the small sizes, the big
> size, the odd sized one, all the stuff that you keep for future
> projects, like toilet paper rolls, and so on, and so forth. How do you
> keep it within reach of your kids, so they can be free to create, but
> at the same [...]39_28Aug200718:10:19+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL
8600 122 37_Re: How do you keep things organized?15_Rachel Gurevich25_rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:38:45 +0300574_ISO-8859-1 I should clarify :) I didn't read your entire email through, just yet, but
just before anyone else writes back...
We have one very, large bookshelf (you can double stack large books here, if
you wanted) for books that relate mainly to our "school" time, the ones we
use the most or currently, and we have shelves and shelves (and
shelves) of just books for the kids, that are "just books". We have IKEA
bins for lots of the craft stuff, and two very large shelves for that stuff.
We've got one bin for cloth, felt, etc. One bin with [...]47_28Aug200718:38:45+0300rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM
8723 41 23_Re: re-intro + question17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:32:49 -0400637_iso-8859-1 Gilla,
Welcome to our group!
There is certainly nothing wrong with starting out by registering them
with the state K12 program starting out, particularly if it helps you feel
like you have a handle on things. Once you actually get into
homeschooling, however, you may find yourself frustrated-- either because
there is so much there that you find it overwhelming, or because the kids
are rebelling against the structure, or because you feel you want more
hands-on experiences, or because it feels boring...
At that point, the thing to remember is not to give up on the
homeschooling, but to [...]38_28Aug200719:32:49-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
8765 32 23_Re: re-intro + question8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:47:45 -0400431_ISO-8859-1 there has been a tremendous amount of K12 discussion on a GA state
homeschool list.
ppl who have done it in other states found the amount of time to be
extreme compared to what they would otherwise spend on schooling,
filled with busywork, and over time, the teacher involvement b/c more
and more signifcant.
however, you could always sign up, then leave the program if you don't like it. [...]40_28Aug200721:47:45-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
8798 62 34_Most amazing on-line guide ever...6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:11:01 -0600546_US-ASCII Please click on the link below for the most comprehensive listing of
resources I have ever seen. This link is arranged by grade level. Enjoy!
Shoshana Z.
http://www.emints.org/ethemes/resources/by-grade.shtml
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8861 58 23_Re: re-intro + question14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:46:45 +0300426_ISO-8859-1 Others have already commented on canned state curricula and their flaws.
Even if you decide to get the books, it doesn't mean you have to use them in
the way they were intended (for instance, if you don't need to return the
history textbooks, you can cut out the pictures to use on a time line). The
great beauty of homeschooling is in its personalized approach. Take what
works, drop the rest. [...]40_29Aug200713:46:45+0300malkie18@GMAIL.COM
8920 197 23_Re: re-intro + question13_Sharon Brooks23_Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:42:23 -0700569_iso-8859-1 I've decided (for now) that I'm enrolling my son (6 tonight!) in a charter school thru our school district (Los Angeles Unified). It supposedly provides access to public funds and allows you to choose your on curriculum from a huge list. They do the paperwork, visit once monthly (generally), don't ask for much evidence of work at his age. They do require state testing, but so far that doesn't seem like a big deal to me. They don't fund jewish work, but I don't see that as insurmountable. I'd be curious to see how your experience compares to ours. [...]45_29Aug200710:42:23-0700Sharonajb@SBCGLOBAL.NET
9118 58 38_Re: Most amazing on-line guide ever...14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:32:38 -0400530_iso-8859-1 Most amazing on-line guide ever...Thanks, Shoshana. That is a fantastic site.
Evelyn
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9177 38 20_book recommendations10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:47:40 +0300385_ISO-8859-1 I've been looking over the ambleside site (thanks Malkie!) and am
considering using the curriculum there as a loose guide for our
homeschoolers - so I was looking (and looking and looking and LOOKING)
for some good Jewish histories and biographies for kids. There are lots
in Hebrew but frankly if I'm going to read out loud it had better be in
English. [...]39_30Aug200717:47:40+0300svkopp@012.NET.IL