1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d January 2007 2 176 28_Re: Talmidei Chochim (ours)]33_Russell Jay Hendel, Ph.d., A.S.A.18_RHendel@TOWSON.EDU31_Sun, 31 Dec 2006 22:41:57 -0500401_iso-8859-1 The Talmud has an interesting definition of Talmid
Chochum. Consider a man who (legally) engages
a woman (by handing her a ring and saying you
are bethrothed to me....) and adds a clause "You are bethrothed to me ON
CONDITION that I am a Talmid Chochom."

The Talmud basically takes a liberal view of such a condition. Basically ANY
type of scholarship qualifies. [...]40_31Dec200622:41:57-0500RHendel@TOWSON.EDU 179 85 11_read alouds19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM28_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 03:46:46 GMT529_- Hi, I just wanted to share my recent experience with reading aloud to my kids. Although this is something I have been doing for years, recently, however I have noticed a change, namely that my older kids ,13 and 12 have been tuning in. This is unusual for us because they are very good independent readers and prefer to read alone. I am currently in the middle of "The Call of the Wild" by Jack London, and it has been very gratifying to have all the kids listen in. In the past I read books that were appropriate for the [...]38_2Jan200703:46:46GMTmalkiadler@JUNO.COM 265 91 15_Re: read alouds13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 1 Jan 2007 20:39:33 -0800498_iso-8859-1 We love to do read alouds with everyone! We have six kids listening, ages 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, and 13. The four year old usually doesn't get whatever the story is, he kind of just hangs around and plays with the baby on the floor while I read. I try to read him books at a different time from everyone else so he gets books that are geared for his level, and then I don't feel bad if he isn't involved in the family read aloud. I read to him earlier in the day, and officially I have a [...]43_1Jan200720:39:33-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 357 60 15_Re: read alouds10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:58:26 +0200499_ISO-8859-1 I read aloud much more to the first 3 who were close in age, only 2
years apart. Then when more younger kids came along there were periods
when they were too disruptive adn we couldn't read. But in general I
found that the best attention was promoted by reading something in the
middle of the ages - the older kids like to listen even to "younger"
material and the youngest either listen or play nearby, unless they are
trying to get me to stop reading altogether. [...]38_2Jan200710:58:26+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 418 109 15_Re: read alouds15_Rachel Gurevich25_rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:22:08 +0200597_ISO-8859-1 Hello,

Reading aloud has been great here! I have a little guilt re: my choice
of books, however. There is this serious called Great Illustrated
Classics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Illustrated_Classics),
and at first, I was wondering if I wanted to read these to my kids.
Just because I'm a writer, and I felt like, is it really right to read
to them the abridged versions? Will it discourage them from reading
the originals later? Will the pictures take away the magic books have
when you imagine what the scenes and people look like yourself? [...]46_2Jan200718:22:08+0200rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM 528 57 41_Re: read alouds, managing kids as a group13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:41:44 -0800553_iso-8859-1 >>I read aloud much more to the first 3 who were close in age, only 2
years apart. <<

Kind of going off topic here, but something you said reminded me of a conversation I had last night. Someone was asking me about the increased energy it takes to have each child, and I was saying that when the kids are closer in age, in a lot of ways it's much more efficient because then you can group them easily for activities, so each additional child doesn't exponentially increase the equation as much as a singleton or a child coming [...]43_2Jan200708:41:44-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 586 61 17_chesed craft idea13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:29:03 -0800537_iso-8859-1 This is really a last minute kind of question, but I thought I would throw it out there anyway. My daughter is having her bas mitzva party this Sunday, and though we have a craft planned, I really would have rathered do a mitzva craft. We are limited in space and messiness - it would have to be something that can be done on a table (I really wanted to do no-sew blankets for Project Linus, but the space needed is an issue). I haven't yet done the shopping for the craft materials, and I can easily switch to something [...]43_2Jan200718:29:03-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 648 255 21_Re: chesed craft idea12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:46:54 -0700554_iso-8859-1 Avivah -

Continuing with the "no-sew" idea - I just made a challah cover with the symbols of the twelve shevatim with my daughter. I first cut 12 squares, then I traced the symbol -she colored each one with fabric markers, then we glued the each square on and put some ribbon in between each one ...the end result was a nice challah cover - I don't know if your community could use these in bulk for families who have Shabbos food delivered? (Challah covers are smaller then quilts and each girl can be as creative as she wants to [...]40_2Jan200719:46:54-0700renaweisman@COX.NET 904 177 15_Re: read alouds9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:01:32 -0800465_ISO-8859-1 I am reading Beautiful Joe by Marshall Saunders to my 9yr and 12 yr old. It
is scary at first (the cruelty) and had the girls upset, but it is offset by
the love shown further in the book. The story is narrated by the dog
himself.

I also found Smiling Hill Farm by Miriam E. Masont to be a hit for the
pioneer days enthusiasts in my family. It comes with the Calvert
Curriculum. (someone may have already mentioned it)(did I). [...]39_2Jan200723:01:32-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 1082 185 21_Re: chesed craft idea9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:18:30 -0800558_ISO-8859-1 We just had a Bas Mitzvah party for my daughter and she chose to give a
speech about "Ahavas Chesed". We set up a craft table and
we brought some bookmarks we printed out on card stock with Ahavas Chesed
printed on them (and afterwards realized we could have included her name and
date of the party, too). We had various supplies for interested folks to
decorate the bookmark as they saw fit and we also had a laminater to make
it a quality souvenir bookmark. It was a hit.
If you wanted it for a mitzvah craft you could [...]39_2Jan200723:18:30-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 1268 147 15_Re: read alouds16_Lori & Eric Swim17_elswim@KITUSA.COM30_Tue, 2 Jan 2007 23:50:15 -0600399_ISO-8859-1 Yes, we and our children enjoy read alouds. In fact, our 8 year old son
is enjoying _A Tale of Two Cities_ more than his 12 year old sister.
This is one of the reasons (read alouds) we enjoy Sonlight curriculum.
Yes, with Sonlight you have to be discerning and substitute any books
regarding x-tianity ... but, on the whole it is pretty secular in scope
and sequence. [...]38_2Jan200723:50:15-0600elswim@KITUSA.COM 1416 82 21_Re: chesed craft idea17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:45:35 -0500304_- The CJE has free tzedekah boxes that can be decorated and each girl can
"assign" their tzedekah can to a certain organization, either local or in
Eretz Yisroel. when the fill their boxes at home, they can make a donation
in your daughter's name as a way of honoring the Bas Mitzvah girl. [...]49_3Jan200708:45:35-0500rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM 1499 47 15_Re: read alouds10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL30_Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:36:03 +0200554_ISO-8859-1 I would never have read these books to my kids (I am such a purist) but
there is a large set in the local English library here and DH started
with them. DS 11 LOVES them, so now I got some of the original
unabridged versions to read which are much harder to understand due to
difficult or archaic vocabulary, but because the kids already know the
story and like it they have the patience to listen to the more difficult
original in order to get more of the story than they got from the
abridged version. Right now we [...]38_4Jan200700:36:03+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 1547 151 21_Re: chesed craft idea17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM28_Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:44:13 GMT764_- Aviva, I did a quick search on "crafting for charity" and found these two links:http://www.craftbits.com/viewArticle.do?articleID=20http://familycrafts.about.com/od/craftingforcharity/Crafting_for_Charity.htmIt's a great idea for a bat mitzva party! What about doing warm scarves to donate? A bit like the blanket idea only smaller for space.Mazal tov!Laya Author of the best loved book for teens"You Don't Have to Learn Everything the Hard Way"www.AuntLaya.comwww.AuntLaya.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Avivah Werner To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 7:29 PMSubject: [TORCH-D] chesed craft idea
This is really a last minute kind of question, but I thought I would throw it out there anyway. My daughter is having [...]36_3Jan200723:44:13GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 1699 35 17_chesed craft idea17_Maria Pereverzeva22_maria-p@ROCKETMAIL.COM30_Wed, 3 Jan 2007 23:57:33 -0800328_iso-8859-1 Aviva--

Along the same lines as a blanket or a scarf--

A hat-scarf-- take a long narrow piece of fleece (8 to 10in), fold in
half, sew together along the edge next to the fold for about 7-8 in. It
can be decorated with a pompom in the corner.

Mazal Tov on your daughter's Bat Mizvah!! [...]43_3Jan200723:57:33-0800maria-p@ROCKETMAIL.COM 1735 71 21_Re: chesed craft idea13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:44:42 -0800367_iso-8859-1 Thank you all for your fantastic ideas! At first I just couldn't think of anything, and thanks to the list members, I now have a bunch of terrific things to do. One idea in particular struck my daughter as something she especially liked, and as she told her sister 20 months younger than her tonight, "Now you have lots of ideas for your bas mitzva!" [...]43_4Jan200719:44:42-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 1807 95 14_Mazal Tov Yael6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:09:42 -0700478_US-ASCII Dear Yael,

We were so pleasantly surprised to read about your daughter Chavie's
book-recording project in our new issue of Mishpacha Junior magazine. We
were very inspired and of course proud that she mentioned being a
homeschooler. Mazal tov on your great work!

I can highly recommend Mishpacha Junior to everyone on the list. Even when
it doesn't line up with our outlook, we still get a lot out of it and have
learned a great deal. [...]41_6Jan200719:09:42-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 1903 40 18_Re: Mazal Tov Yael12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM30_Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:11:54 -0500339_us-ascii Thanks, Shoshana. :) B"H my daughter is an inspiring person to me too!!

She is in a very pleasant mode right now where she is really
appreciating the freedom that homeschooling gives her to pursue
interests and be part of the real world -- all while still getting
"school work" done and having time to relax! [...]43_6Jan200723:11:54-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 1944 37 18_Re: Mazal Tov Yael12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM30_Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:15:21 -0500488_us-ascii By the way, the editors at Mishpacha apparently added in the question
about how much I'm involved in my daughter's project, and added her
answer, "Very much so." (Could be they were concerned about the
possibility of a 12-year-old being let loose to do something totally
unsupervised??)

Anyway, she wasn't asked that and didn't say that. :) I'm not
actually that involved, except to help her make connections with the
people she needs to work with. [...]43_6Jan200723:15:21-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 1982 32 19_free homeschool IDs12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM30_Sun, 7 Jan 2007 01:39:14 -0500293_us-ascii Found this and thought I would share. They suggest printing out the
PDF that's generated and having it laminated. You can make student ID
cards or home educator cards (for teacher discounts, etc.).

http://www.homeschoolbuyersco-op.org/homeschool-id/

Enjoy!
Yael43_7Jan200701:39:14-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 2015 75 18_Re: Mazal Tov Yael14_Hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Sun, 7 Jan 2007 04:18:44 -0800626_iso-8859-1 can you please tell me how i get a copy of this
magazine....is it good for my 10 year old daughter who
is NOt a homeschooler but we are homeschooler
wannabees.......Hadas
--- Zohari wrote:

> Dear Yael,
>
> We were so pleasantly surprised to read about your
> daughter Chavie's
> book-recording project in our new issue of Mishpacha
> Junior magazine. We
> were very inspired and of course proud that she
> mentioned being a
> homeschooler. Mazal tov on your great work!
>
> I can highly recommend Mishpacha Junior to everyone
> on the [...]41_7Jan200704:18:44-0800hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET 2091 29 5_Korea25_Michael and Nadine Postol20_mnpostol@COMCAST.NET30_Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:20:37 -0500522_ISO-8859-1 Has anyone any experience living in S. Korea? We're going this summer
for 3 yrs. I've done some preliminary investegation and found out that
the only Jewish life is on the base. There's a Jewish chaplin who may
be any denomination (we're Orthodox). Food won't be a problem as there
is a large PX (military supermarket). I also spoke with a kashrut
organization that does supervision there. They've been heplful, but
don't have much to say. Other than that, I haven't found out much else. [...]41_8Jan200720:20:37-0500mnpostol@COMCAST.NET 2121 141 9_Re: Korea6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Mon, 8 Jan 2007 20:29:26 -0700351_ISO-8859-1 Dear Nadine,

If you¹re going to the ends of the earth, the best folks to call on are
Chabad shluchim. Here is some contact information for the nearest Chabad
centers to South Korea. I am certain that they will all be very helpful and
you should feel free to contact them with whatever questions you have. Good
luck! [...]41_8Jan200720:29:26-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 2263 54 9_Re: Korea6_suelap20_suelap@EARTHLINK.NET30_Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:38:57 -0800491_us-ascii Nadine,

Have you been in touch with the Orthodox Air Force chaplain who was there
with his family a few years ago? They are living near Washington D.C. now.
If you'd like his name and number e-mail me off list.

Susan

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
Michael and Nadine Postol
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:21 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] Korea [...]41_9Jan200707:38:57-0800suelap@EARTHLINK.NET 2318 64 12_Introduction15_[Rivkah Estrin]20_rivkahestrin@AOL.COM31_Sat, 13 Jan 2007 20:03:08 -0500462_us-ascii Hello and Shavua Tov,

I am new to this list, and so I thought I'd give a brief introduction. I am a SAHM to 2 young children, a 3-year-old daughter and a 17-month-old son. We are also expecting a baby this March. I am just starting to look into a more formal homeschooling program for my daughter, and am very excited about the resources online for Jewish homeschooling families. I look forward to gaining insight and advice from this list. [...]42_13Jan200720:03:08-0500rivkahestrin@AOL.COM 2383 56 16_Re: Introduction13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:19:49 -0800479_iso-8859-1 Welcome to the list, Rivkah! There are plenty of moms like you on the list. Feel free to jump in with your thoughts and questions whenever you want.

Avivah in Baltimore - mom to 7 fantastic kids

Chèri Nursing Pillows
“Bringing mothers and babies closer together”
www.cheri-nursing-pillows.com
www.parentingreflections.blogspot.com

---------------------------------
Don't pick lemons.
See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. [...]44_13Jan200719:19:49-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2440 23 36_What's Wrong With Vocational School?0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:59:34 -0500528_ISO-8859-1 An incredibly good article from this morning's Wall St Journal. Mr. Murray makes the outstanding point that college education will not necessarily benefit everyone who goes. He also makes the point that people go mainly because there is societal pressure to do so.
I thought it was important enough to bring to the list's attention.
KT
Bill Bernstein
former matriculant at: Vanderbilt University, Corpus Christi College (Oxford), University of North Carolina/Chapel Hill, University of Pennsylvania. [...]49_17Jan200716:59:34-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 2464 21 4_Oops0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:08:25 -0500505_ISO-8859-1 http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110009535

Bill.

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Shoshana Z

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plague in this week's parsha, and found this fun frog site:
http://allaboutfrogs.org/

Sarah
Tsfat, Israel

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an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]39_18Jan200714:57:43+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 2535 51 21_Re: Vocational school10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:40:32 +0200560_ISO-8859-1 I only skimmed the article but want to mention that here in Israel there
are a lot of vocational and professional training options that don't
require 4 years of college. For instance you can go to law school here
and it's a 3 year course with no prerequisite for a bachelor degree. I
think this is because of the army - by the time a boy finishes his army
service he is 21 or 22 and doesn't want 4 years of mostly irrelevant
studies before getting training in a profession that will enable him to
start a family. There are [...]39_18Jan200715:40:32+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 2587 71 9_Re: Frogs13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:12:57 -0800333_iso-8859-1 Speaking of frogs in this week's parsha - my husband wrote and illustrated a children's book about the plague of frogs - it was sent to the publisher today. It's called Pharoah and the Fabulous Frog Invasion and is a very fun read. It should be out in the next month or so. I'll let you all know when it's available! [...]44_18Jan200706:12:57-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2659 48 21_Re: Vocational school14_Jennifer Moran20_jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU31_Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:17:22 -0600433_us-ascii Sarah wrote:
>Any of us who have been to college can testify that most of
>the purely academic learning that goes on may be fun and
>interesting (or not) but does not relate directly to what
>anyone needs to know to get a job and do it well. The utter
>irrelevancy of college education (the first 4 years) has been
>a subject of discussion for some time among the international
>development crowd. [...]42_18Jan200712:17:22-0600jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU 2708 62 9_Re: Frogs14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:07:34 -0500485_iso-8859-1 Aviva, what What ages is the book for? I'd love to get it for our seder?
Evelyn
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> Sarah wrote:
>
>> Any of us who have been to college can testify that most of
>> the purely academic learning that goes on may be fun and
>> interesting (or not) but does not relate directly to what
>> anyone needs to know to get a job and do it well. The utter
>> irrelevancy of college education (the first 4 years) has been
>> a subject of discussion for some time among the international
>> development crowd.
>>
>
> The highest levels of innovation in
> any field always require interdisciplinary thinking, [...]39_19Jan200715:03:37+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 2827 66 9_Re: Frogs13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:07:13 -0800437_iso-8859-1 I would estimate it's geared for kids from about age 4 - elementary years. The publishers purposely wanted to release it in time for Pesach because they were thinking along the same lines as you. :) As I said, I'll let everyone know when it's available.

Avivah

Evelyn Krieger wrote:
Aviva, what What ages is the book for? I'd love to get it for our seder?
Evelyn
.SHAMASH.ORG/ [...]44_19Jan200707:07:13-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2894 45 21_Re: Vocational school14_Jennifer Moran20_jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU31_Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:22:12 -0600612_us-ascii Sarah wrote:

>I wasn't really knocking college as much as the idea that it
>is the only way or the best way to be educated.

Sure, I'll agree with that. There are certainly plenty of
homeschoolers (and others) who have learned the fine art of
self-directed learning, who could continue on this route into
whatever advanced studies they're interested in. And of course
we all know about the flip side -- the immature young people
who spend 4 years in beer parties, manage to squeak through
with passing grades, and get their degree without leaning a
great deal. [...]42_20Jan200720:22:12-0600jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU 2940 175 22_Re: vocational school?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:44:48 EST427_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/21/07 2:00:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> True. It would be nice if there were a way for HSers to
> document their college-equivalent education, as many do for
> high school -- and if employers would recognize this
> documentation. In fact, pay scales seem to be mindlessly
> formulaic, with no allowance for quality of education.
>
> [...]37_21Jan200709:44:48ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 3116 53 22_Re: vocational school?14_Jennifer Moran20_jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU31_Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:32:54 -0600658_us-ascii Wow, I'm impressed by this wealth of resources, Rena! I had
known about distance learning, but what you've discussed goes
far beyond...I should have known that HS'ers would have
cracked this problem by now.

On the topic of financing educational expenses (since Master's
degrees came up), I wanted to point out that, in certain
fields, one can get a Master's degree for free by entering a
PhD program instead, and leaving when the Master's
requirements (but not the dissertation) are complete. This is
true in the sciences, including such marketable degrees as
computer science and statistics. One can also get [...]42_21Jan200715:32:54-0600jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU 3170 72 22_Re: vocational school?18_Benjamin H Dickman27_bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM31_Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:21:23 -0500640_us-ascii Jennifer,

How did you find a program that covered tuition and stipend,
and how would one search for all such programs/majors?

thanks,
Benzion Dickman

On 1/21/2007 4:32 PM, Jennifer Moran wrote:
> Wow, I'm impressed by this wealth of resources, Rena! I had
> known about distance learning, but what you've discussed goes
> far beyond...I should have known that HS'ers would have
> cracked this problem by now.
>
> On the topic of financing educational expenses (since Master's
> degrees came up), I wanted to point out that, in certain
> fields, one can get a Master's degree [...]49_21Jan200722:21:23-0500bdickman@ALCATEL-LUCENT.COM 3243 56 21_Re: Vocational School15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:24:54 -0800569_iso-8859-1 Hi all,
As far as finding a Ph.D. program that covers tuition and stipend, I would say that it's fairly common in most of the hard sciences and many of the social sciences. It is not as common in the humanities, as far as I know. When I applied for my Ph.D. programs, I received full tuition as a matter of course for the ones to which I was accepted. Several also offered a variety of stipend arrangements -- some based on teaching, some based on research, and others just "stam" (no obligations other than maintaining excellent grades, etc.). That [...]40_22Jan200705:24:54-0800drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 3300 41 21_Re: Vocational School14_Jennifer Moran20_jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU31_Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:25:43 -0600618_us-ascii What Nichole wrote matches my experience as well. In the
sciences, one pretty much expects tuition + stipend for a PhD
program (and some kind of health insurance, although the
quality is highly variable). There are also GAANN grants
(Government Assistance in Areas of National Need) from the
Department of Education that are especially targeted toward
women and minorities in certain areas of science.The
department secretary or administator usually helps students
find these opportunities. In general, recent NIH cutbacks
notwithstanding, the sciences are pretty well funded. [...]42_22Jan200712:25:43-0600jrmoran@UCHICAGO.EDU 3342 35 11_PhD funding28_Jamie Rosenblum Lichtenstein25_jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU31_Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:14:57 -0500550_US-ASCII I will second what others have said about PhD programs at least in the biological sciences. Tuition plus a stipend is a given and the top schools in areas with comparable cost of living sometimes compete for the "best" students by raising the stipends for everyone. I'm not sure if physics is the same way - the one person I know who just completed a PhD in physics got tuition and stipend but had to pay his own medical insurance at MIT and if MIT is making people pay for insurance out of pocket, it probably means they aren't losing [...]47_23Jan200710:14:57-0500jrosenbl@HSPH.HARVARD.EDU 3378 57 15_Re: PhD funding14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:19:17 -0800625_iso-8859-1 Graduate student funding is also the same in the physical sciences and in computer science. Health insurance varies by university, not discipline. Places who don't pay for health insurance typically have a slightly higher stipend, which is why they don't lose students. The health insurance offered is often not so great, though. Also, as Jamie said, the PhD programs do require a traditional 4 year college and are very competitive. In the better schools admission with stipend is often at th 5-6% level. Students with lower grades (<3.3GPA) and GRE scores have a hard time getting accepted unless they have [...]45_23Jan200712:19:17-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 3436 101 15_For Tu B' Shvat9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 10:36:15 -0800468_ISO-8859-1 The list is quiet. Where is everyone? I thought I'd post a recipe for Tu B
Shvat that some of you might enjoy making.

Beth

Ingrid's Fruitcake
Great for Tu B' Shvat

1 package 8oz pitted dates
2 cups quartered dried apricots
1 cup golden raisins
1&1/2 cups whole blanched almonds
1&1/2 cups walnut pieces
3/4 cup all-purpose flour
3/4 cup sugar
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon vanilla
3 eggs [...]40_29Jan200710:36:15-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 3538 80 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat0_27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:54:57 -0500639_ISO-8859-1 Actually we've been having a wonderful discussion and just about have all our differences worked out.
I would edit the instructions to be more in keeping with kashrus as practiced today as follows:

First ascertain that the dates, apricots, raisins, almonds and walnuts are free of infestation and without issues of truma, maaser, shmitta, orla, or kilayi hakerem. If in doubt, check with a reliable Orthodox rabbi.
Then take a loaf pan or two smaller pans, and make sure they are pareve and have been toiveled appropriately. If in doubt, check with a reliable Orthodox rabbi.
Line with kosher-certified wax [...]49_29Jan200713:54:57-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 3619 153 31_Re: For Tu B' Shvat (1.29/3.00)14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:37:46 -0500444_ISO-8859-1 For all your data protection
go to www.vcsvault.com
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Thanks for the great laugh! I was just outside for over 1.5 hours shovelling (and not done yet!!!) and feeling very exhausted. This was a very nice refresheruper!
Thanks for the email Beth. It's one of my son's birthday on Tu B'Shvat. We did a nice fruit cake recipe last year. I think I'll try this one this year and compare the two. :) [...]44_29Jan200714:37:46-0500hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM 3773 260 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:59:45 GMT368_- Beth, great recipe, I'd love to try it. By the way, I learned that you can soak walnuts in water overnight to get rid of any bitter in them.
Bill, I'm really surprised that someone with your knowledge would misspell the word shmear.
:-)
Chag Sameach,
Laya
in tzfat where the almond trees are blossoming right on schedule (pronounced like shmear) [...]37_29Jan200719:59:45GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 4034 199 31_Re: For Tu B' Shvat (1.29/3.00)10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:00:14 +0200353_ISO-8859-1 I have a fruit cake recipe that is parev and has no sugar, no oil/fat and no
eggs, so is good for lots of allergenic people, as well as for diabetics.
It's also delicious. Actually, I have one child who doesn't like it because
"it's too sweet"! Bli neder I'll dig out the recipe and post it in the next
day or two.
Louise [...]42_29Jan200722:00:14+0200fox.louise@GMAIL.COM 4234 85 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:37:58 +0200562_ISO-8859-1 Sounds great. I also thought maybe something was wrong with the list -
so quiet!

A question - is there a way to upload files, like the recipe, or photos,
to this list? I went to Shamash but couldn't seem to get in to the list
from there.

Sarah
Tsfat, Israel

beth mali wrote:
>
>
> The list is quiet. Where is everyone? I thought I'd post a recipe
> for Tu B Shvat that some of you might enjoy making.
>
> Beth
>
>
>
> Ingrid's Fruitcake
>
> Great for Tu B' Shvat
>
>
[...]39_29Jan200722:37:58+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 4320 153 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:21:52 -0800672_ISO-8859-1 I was hoping someone would step up and spell out how to do it all correctly.
I was also going to add that you could substitute already packaged certified
kosher dried fruits of different mixes.(tropical for instance) I just
haven't found any that don't have sulfur dioxide added.
Beth

On 1/29/07, billbernstein@bellsouth.net wrote:
>
> Actually we've been having a wonderful discussion and just about have all
> our differences worked out.
> I would edit the instructions to be more in keeping with kashrus as
> practiced today as follows:
>
> First ascertain that the dates, apricots, [...]40_29Jan200720:21:52-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 4474 142 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:48:23 -0600732_ISO-8859-1 For the record, it was satire.
Bill Bernstein
Nashville TN., home of the not-yet-kosher Goo-Goo Cluster.

beth mali wrote:

> I was hoping someone would step up and spell out how to do it all
> correctly. I was also going to add that you could substitute already
> packaged certified kosher dried fruits of different mixes.(tropical
> for instance) I just haven't found any that don't have sulfur dioxide
> added.
> Beth
>
> On 1/29/07, *billbernstein@bellsouth.net
> * > > wrote:
>
> Actually we've been having a wonderful discussion and just about
> have all [...]49_30Jan200708:48:23-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4617 219 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat14_Malkie Swidler18_malkie18@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:17:01 +0200633_ISO-8859-1 Really?
I wasn't sure, so I asked my local Orthodox Rabbi.

He thinks you're maikel.

Malkie

On 1/30/07, Bill Bernstein wrote:
>
> For the record, it was satire.
> Bill Bernstein
> Nashville TN., home of the not-yet-kosher Goo-Goo Cluster.
>
> beth mali wrote:
>
> > I was hoping someone would step up and spell out how to do it all
> > correctly. I was also going to add that you could substitute already
> > packaged certified kosher dried fruits of different mixes.(tropical
> > for instance) I just haven't found any that don't [...]40_30Jan200719:17:01+0200malkie18@GMAIL.COM 4837 104 23_[BULK] Goo-Goo Clusters14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:05:49 -0600296_iso-8859-1 Ok, I dunno if this is an ongoing joke or if some on this list really need Goo-Goo- Clusters.. Did a goodle search and found this recipe.. There are several variations to this. There is a substance called Marshmallo Fluff that is OU which would work instead of mini marshmallows. [...]45_30Jan200711:05:49-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 4942 220 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat14_Hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:42:09 -0800620_iso-8859-1 Does anyone have any wonderful recommendations of work
i could do with my daughter in fifth grade, to help
her with math and english skills??? thank you....Hadas
--- Bill Bernstein
wrote:

> For the record, it was satire.
> Bill Bernstein
> Nashville TN., home of the not-yet-kosher Goo-Goo
> Cluster.
>
> beth mali wrote:
>
> > I was hoping someone would step up and spell out
> how to do it all
> > correctly. I was also going to add that you could
> substitute already
> > packaged certified kosher dried fruits of
> [...]42_30Jan200708:42:09-0800hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET 5163 99 17_Virtual bookathon6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:22:59 -0700379_ISO-8859-1 Just about one year ago, our family "adopted" the Chabad House in Zagreb,
Croatia. We are in the process of building them a website ­
http://www.chabadcroatia.org ­ and are hoping to get them U.S. non-profit
status sometime this spring. They are a truly dedicated couple doing
amazing work for the Jewish people in Croatia and neighbouring countries. [...]42_29Jan200711:22:59-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 5263 139 46_writing contest for grad or PhD (off topicish)17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:17:05 GMT703_- I just got this from another list I'm on and thought it might be relevant to some on this list especially in light of the recent thread of graduate degrees.
Kol tuv!
Laya

Author of the best loved book for teens
"You Don't Have to Learn Everything the Hard Way"
www.AuntLaya.com
www.tinyurl.com/92up5
www.auntlaya.blogspot.com
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The University of Kentucky is pleased to sponsor the Mark and Ruth Luckens
International Prize in Jewish Thought. The Luckens Prize, commemorating a
generous gift by the late Dr. Mark M. Luckens to the University, is
administered, judged, and awarded by faculty at the [...]37_24Jan200716:17:05GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 5403 44 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:01:00 +0200589_ISO-8859-1 Here in Israel a certain Rav Vaya is a very popular bug-checking
authority. I have his book, which is not satire and describes in patient
detail how to check everything for bugs, including the popular Tu
B'Shvat fruits. ALL fruit should be peeled. Hold raisins up to the light
and check for bugs inside. Split a date lengthwise, remove the seed,
peel away the outer papery skin and check for bugs inside and out. Most
of his instructions end with the suggestion that "It's best to grind
(the food.)" I guess because then the bug parts you eat are b'di [...]39_30Jan200721:01:00+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 5448 105 20_Re: math and English17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 31 Jan 2007 03:54:03 GMT565_- Hi Hadas,
I've been recommending "Explode the Code" since my son was small and it was recommended to me. We were really struggling with reading and she said "A page a day!" My daughter is still working in the books and my son too although since he's in school in Israel now, he really only does it during school breaks. It helps him progress anyway. We also use "Just Write".
For math (which I found from recommendations on this list!), Singapore Math has been a simple program that has moved both kids forward. My daughter was doing Singapore at home [...]37_31Jan200703:54:03GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 5554 82 34_For people in the Los Angeles area17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:00:35 GMT560_- My family is planning a US trip this summer to visit grand parents and spend between 3-5 weeks in the LA/Valley area. Is there someone on this list that would be interested in a house swap? (Or do you know a kosher family who would be?) We live in the holy city of Tzfat in a comfortable house with views of the Kineret. I can give more details if there's interest. We want to travel late June or July, and we're somewhat flexible.
You can reach us through internet/email at my address tolife18@juno,com or my husbands tyjackinc@juno.com and we have [...]37_31Jan200704:00:35GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 5637 123 38_Re: For people in the Los Angeles area17_tolife18@juno.com17_tolife18@JUNO.COM29_Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:50:54 GMT628_- Oops, didn't catch it, but my email address which was in the body of the note below wasn't right tolife18@juno.com (typo with a comma below) :-}

Author of the best loved book for teens
"You Don't Have to Learn Everything the Hard Way"
www.AuntLaya.com
www.tinyurl.com/92up5
www.auntlaya.blogspot.com

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My family is planning a US trip this summer to visit grand parents and spend between 3-5 weeks in the LA/Valley area. Is there someone on this list that would be interested in a house swap? (Or do you know a kosher family who would be?) We live in the [...]37_31Jan200713:50:54GMTtolife18@JUNO.COM 5761 32 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:06:32 -0500297_us-ascii I would love to get the script for her skit! Or did she just ad lib it?

:)
Yael

>It is good material for Purim skits, however. A friend once did a
>skit about checking broccoli - she used a real big broccoli on stage
>and ended up with I tiny pencil of stem to eat.44_30Jan200720:06:32-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 5794 51 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat10_Sarah Kopp17_svkopp@012.NET.IL31_Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:51:24 +0200567_ISO-8859-1 It was ad-libbed. Just get up on stage with a big healthy head of
broccoli and start "checking" it. First soak it in salt water, then you
rinse it under running water for 5 minutes (not that long on stage
obviously, but it's a good part of the skit to spend talking about how
filled with kedusha and yiras shamayim you feel when you are checking
for bugs). Then you have to scrub the whole thing really vigorously with
a scrubby thing like a brush or loofah. Now press open the florets and
look into them with a magnifying glass. [...]39_31Jan200719:51:24+0200svkopp@012.NET.IL 5846 48 19_Re: For Tu B' Shvat12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:19:30 -0500586_us-ascii Great kosher komedy! :)

Yael

>It was ad-libbed. Just get up on stage with a big healthy head of
>broccoli and start "checking" it. First soak it in salt water, then
>you rinse it under running water for 5 minutes (not that long on
>stage obviously, but it's a good part of the skit to spend talking
>about how filled with kedusha and yiras shamayim you feel when you
>are checking for bugs). Then you have to scrub the whole thing
>really vigorously with a scrubby thing like a brush or loofah. Now
>press open the florets and look into [...]44_31Jan200721:19:30-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM