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2 43 7_Shaloha20_Rabbi David Glickman24_shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM30_Tue, 1 Aug 2006 19:29:04 -1000584_US-ASCII Shalom All,
As you may deduce from the 'subject' line I am writing from Hawaii,
Maui to be exact. I am the rabbi of a relatively small community.
For the last 18 years we have had nominal supplemental Jewish
education for our youth. I cannot motivate most families to bring
their kids more than Sun. mornings. There are a few families who
do want more jewish education. I was thinking of opening the
synagogue to them 4 afternoons a week and have the kids study
with computer based programs. So far the only ones I have
purchased are from TES [...]45_1Aug200619:29:04-1000shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM
46 70 11_Re: Shaloha18_Jamie Lichtenstein18_jamie@ALUM.MIT.EDU30_Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:20:52 -0400662_us-ascii Behrman House (www.behrmanhouse.com) makes a great CD-ROM series that
starts with Shalom Uvracha Interactive and continues with Hineni 1,2,
and 3 Interactive (prayer) and Ulpan Alef Interactive (modern
Hebrew). The lessons are put together in a fun way and built into an
adventure and kids earn games (that reinforce what they've learned)
each time they finish a level. I have used them with 4th-6th graders
as a fun supplement to other Hebrew instruction. This age group also
likes www.babaganewz.com. They have some great games that kids will
go to on their own as well as interesting and informative articles,
videos, [...]39_3Aug200608:20:52-0400jamie@ALUM.MIT.EDU
117 81 11_Re: Shaloha14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:25:09 -0700665_iso-8859-1 Rabbi Glickman....I was happy to read your email....knowing you were
interested in helping the community be more involved,,,,,! A few years ago,
my parents, who are non observant....told me that they wanted to take me and
my brother and our kids to Hawaii for their 50th wedding anniversary......it
was a wonderful idea for all of us to be together...we all live in different
countries and were looking forward to our kids spending time with their
grandparents...but there was one big problem.....it was Pesach time!! My
parents couldnt understand, despite many many many years of me being
frum....what was my quandry...what [...]41_3Aug200610:25:09-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
199 111 11_Re: Shaloha20_Rabbi David Glickman24_shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:03:24 -1000676_US-ASCII Thank you for the contact, yes Dania is TG still with us. It is good to
know our efforts have a lasting effect.
Shabbat Shaom
David
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> Rabbi Glickman....I was happy to read your email....knowing you were
> interested in helping the community be more involved,,,,,! A few years
> ago, my parents, who are non observant....told me that they wanted to
> take me and my brother and our kids to Hawaii for their 50th [...]45_4Aug200612:03:24-1000shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM
311 27 17_Umbrella schools?10_Rachel Ann24_anolick@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Wed, 9 Aug 2006 15:28:45 +0300586_ISO-8859-1 I'm looking for a stay out of my way, international, inexpensive
umbrella school Any suggestions?
We are living in Israel if that makes a difference, and returning to
homeschooling after a three year break.
take care and hi,
Rachel Ann
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339 42 21_A gathering in Israel0_22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:59:31 -0400359_us-ascii I am in Jerusalem with my family for three weeks. Some wonderful people have generously organized a get-together for Natural Jewish Parenting readers (and other interested people), to be held next Tuesday, August 22 from 11:00 AM - 2:00 PM at the home of Safirah Rachel Wieder in the Ramat Eskol neighborhood of Jerusalem. You are all invited!! [...]44_17Aug200608:59:31-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM
382 44 25_Re: A gathering in Israel9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:17:35 -0700323_ISO-8859-1 Some of my kids will be in Lakewood, NJ (Near SquankumRd) and Brooklyn, NY
for three weeks starting after Aug 24. They would like to meet up with
some homeschoolers if at all possible during their stay there. If you live
in the area and are interested in meeting up with them, let me know.
Beth [...]40_17Aug200620:17:35-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
427 43 21_Re: Hawaii Curriculum16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:28:40 -0400502_us-ascii Rabbi Glickman
I have been involved in teaching Rashi for several years.
My SHORT GUIDE TO RASHI may be found at
http://www.Rashiyomi.com/RashiShortGuide.htm
I have used these techniques successfully in both adult and children
classes
The approach is EXPLORATORY. You look at verses and try to find
ALIGNMENTS,
PARALLELISMS etc. Examples are provided in the monograph. I emphasize
that
both adults and 7 year olds have found these techniques accessible. [...]39_20Aug200611:28:40-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
471 28 5_Hello14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:44:44 -0600551_utf-8 Hello everyone, I am new to this list. My name is Rivkah Harper and we live
in Rochester, NY. My oldest son is 5.5 years and we have been homeschooling
for a year now. We are starting our second year today. My son is in the
first grade. I have put together what I think is a judaic curriculum
similar to what a lot of day schools are teaching. However, if there is
anyone who has experience with first grade (either throgh homeschooling, or
with a child who actually went to a day school in first grade), I would very
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500 54 9_Re: Hello20_Rabbi David Glickman24_shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM31_Tue, 22 Aug 2006 17:40:11 -1000369_US-ASCII Shalom Rivkah Harper,
I would be interested to see how you organized the materials for
homeschooling. I am rather new to this HS stuff. Can anyone
enlighten me as to whether or not HS can be done mainly at a
computer with minimal guidance from a parent/teacher? If so, I
would like to create a Judaica equivalent.
Best
David Glickman [...]46_22Aug200617:40:11-1000shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM
555 51 27_Re: computerized curriculum13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 22 Aug 2006 22:55:28 -0700550_iso-8859-1 The beauty of homeschooling is that it can be done in any way you like. It you are willing to take the time to create the kind of curriculum that you want, you will have one! There are secular computer based curriculums - the one from the Robinson family comes to mind, also Switched on Schoolhouse. I haven't used this kind of curriculum since it doesn't fit my needs and goals, but there are many people who have needed that kind of structure and found it helpful. Perhaps you can do online research and see if there are aspects of [...]44_22Aug200622:55:28-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
607 58 27_Re: computerized curriculum14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:05:37 -0600499_utf-8 I don't know of any judaic program online. I'm not finding any kind of
judaic curriculum at all. I'm having to create my own curriculum by reading
up, and talking to people. I know that the secular program we have,
(Calvert School), starting in grade 5, there is the option of taking your
courses online - they have prerecourded courses that the kids can watch when
they want. I also know for university courses, you can read and take tests
online. So, it is available. [...]44_23Aug200606:05:37-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM
666 73 9_Re: Hello17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:10:47 -0400377_us-ascii >Shalom Rivkah Harper,
>I would be interested to see how you organized the materials for
>homeschooling. I am rather new to this HS stuff. Can anyone
>enlighten me as to whether or not HS can be done mainly at a
>computer with minimal guidance from a parent/teacher? If so, I
>would like to create a Judaica equivalent.
>Best
>David Glickman [...]38_23Aug200609:10:47-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
740 114 9_Re: Hello14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:03:09 +0300486_ISO-8859-1 Ah, computer-schooling.
Mom and Dad can plug kiddo into the computer, go off to work and when
they return, the appropriate amounts of math, science, and (may Heaven
protect us) Torah will have been poured into the child's head in
carefully regulated doses.
Some people refer to this practice as "learning". They congratulate
themselves on allowing their children to "go at their own pace" in their
carefully computer-controlled environment. [...]46_23Aug200621:03:09+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
855 58 9_Re: Hello14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:13:39 +0300566_UTF-8 Rivkah,
Welcome.
I have three kids ages 8.5, 3.5, and 1.5.
We have never attempted to keep up with a day school curriculum, any
more than a day school has tried to keep up with us (though I would like
to see them try :) ). Keeping up with my own children and their
interests is difficult enough. The day school program is built on the
public school model, and if you haven't already read you John Taylor
Gatto now is a good time to start. Trying to impose such a system on a
homeschooling family will only result in [...]46_23Aug200621:13:39+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
914 23 27_Re: computerized curriculum16_ZagorskyGoldberg28_zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:34:48 -0400531_utf-8 Moriah Chesler, who used to be a member here, has some new things up at her
website: www.morahmoriah.com that may be useful!
Ellen in Boston
entering our 7th year of hs'ing
mama to four great girls
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938 20 9_Responses20_Rabbi David Glickman24_shaloha@HAWAIIBIZ.RR.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:03:26 -1000459_US-ASCII Thanks for all the responses, they have been very helpful
David Glickman
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959 31 23_Re: COMPUTER CURRICULUM16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:49:25 -0400491_us-ascii Believe it or not the idea of a computer curriculum dates back to people
like skinner who considered students akin to rats in a maze. You simply
have to train them
In the last 20 years ALTERNATE theories of education have arisen. They
basically posit that students learn when the teacher is a ROLE MODEL.
That is these theories disagree that the issue is TRAINING---the issue
is providing MODELS and then the students are motivated to learn and
do so. [...]39_23Aug200618:49:25-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
991 75 28_Torah "curriculum" was HELLO14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:55:38 -0500482_iso-8859-1 Malkie,
How much Torah learning do you and your 8.5 y.o and 3 y.o do? Do you have
them daven 3x daily and keep up with weekly parsha? I'm curious as to
others routine in this area b/c Torah learning is Soo important to me but I
have no help here for now so I have to "wing" it :-) I wonder how much
Torah my children would learn if we were near an Orthodox- heart- full- of-
love- for -Torah community? I simply have no idea... Thanks so much. [...]45_23Aug200619:55:38-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
1067 32 9_Re: Hello8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:58:59 -0400544_ISO-8859-1 <enlighten me as to whether or not HS can be done mainly at a
computer with minimal guidance from a parent/teacher?>>
I'd hope not:) well, at least not for a yougner child anyway.
I'm still struggling with a judaics curriculum and am relying on
outsourcing this component of A's education. I'm using R.E.A.L.
science and love the organization and scriptedness of it (one can
easily modify the early lessons to support ones own personally held
beliefs regarding how creation occured). [...]40_23Aug200621:58:59-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
1100 75 25_learning from role models13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:18:10 -0700571_iso-8859-1 Ahhh, it's been a busy summer here and I have missed hearing from all of you! Nice to see everyone jumping back into things as the summer winds down.
I wanted to echo my support for Russel's point regarding learning from real life role models. My oldest son (who was recently bar mitzva) got a lot out of his summer camp learning, because he connected with the rebbi. (His camp experience was a compelling reason to keep him out of school, however. If I had any doubts about the wisdom of homeschooling him, that would have dispelled all of them.) [...]44_23Aug200621:18:10-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
1176 67 14_daily davening13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:30:41 -0700491_iso-8859-1 We are doing our semi annual reevalution of what to learn with our kids, how much, etc, for the coming year, so I can't share what we are doing because we are in process. :)
I did want to say, though, that I don't know how many kids daven three times a day, until maybe a year before their bar mitzva, if then. I might be wrong on this, but I went through the 'system' and I didn't daven three times a day until I was in seminary. I davened only shacharis until then. [...]44_23Aug200621:30:41-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
1244 167 32_Re: Torah "curriculum" was HELLO14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:20:24 +0200592_us-ascii Dear Mandy,
I don't think living in an orthodox community makes the difference of how
much Torah a kid can learn. In fact, it might be easier outside of a
community since it's so much easier to say "this is how WE do things".
The gift of community is that you have the potential of an incredible
support system, and you have the opportunity to work through the
challenges of living in community, i.e. it's a double edged sword. It's
great to celebrate holidays in community, it's great to live in a
neighborhood where everyone walks on Shabbat. The down [...]39_24Aug200608:20:24+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
1412 111 32_Re: Torah "curriculum" was HELLO14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:26:11 +0300557_ISO-8859-1 I, like Avivah, got a day school education (both Modern Orthodox and
Bais Yaacov) and davening 3x daily was not ever part of the reality.
What we do... it depends on the season, what else is happening, etc.
Usually my son learns a little Chumash every day, with me or with his
dad. He goes on Jewish history tiyulim (one of the many upsides of
living in Israel), and we do a lot of history in general because we both
love it. He's also got his books on halacha, Jewish stories, etc. It
works for us. I would like to [...]46_24Aug200607:26:11+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
1524 48 14_daily davening15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:00:05 -0700601_- B"H
My son just started adding Mincha to his daily davening. He is a year out
from his bar mitzvah. He is easing into it beautifully.
As far as a "heart for Torah" community.......I've found many individuals
within communities, but not en masse. The one I do know of is mostly 20
somethings with no kids, so that would never work for us to live there. I
agree Aviva, most communities are about one -size-fits-all, especially with
regard to education. We have a wonderful young rabbi who is very
inspirational tutoring our son right now, and are very grateful to [...]47_24Aug200607:00:05-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
1573 65 20_social life for boys13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:03:37 -0700433_iso-8859-1 Ah, social life for older boys. Is there such a thing in the frum community?? We have been dealing with the reality of having virtually no social group during the week for my oldest son for the last couple of years. It is due to the fact that boys are in school until 6 pm (this year his peers would be in school until something like 8 pm, and next year they have night seder and don't finish until 9:30 pm- yikes!). [...]44_24Aug200608:03:37-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
1639 67 18_Re: daily davening0_19_BurnesFamily@CS.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:01:42 -0400547_iso-8859-1 My community, Passaic/Clifton, is a 'Orthodox- heart- full- of- love- for -Torah community', (and I'm not just saying that because my husband is a real estate agent here), I've been living here for 11 years now, and I love it, most people, (not all, there are always exceptions), are warm and friendly. When we decided to homeschool, most people were very kind, supportive and not judgemental at all. Our Rabbi even encouraged it. I think that the warmness of our community comes from the large percentage of Baalei Teshuvas here. [...]41_24Aug200611:01:42-0400BurnesFamily@CS.COM
1707 56 18_Re: Off the Derech13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:22:06 -0700553_iso-8859-1 I have to find a copy of this book and read it. A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to get to know a couple of Chassidishe women in their mid to late twenties, who while still outwardly Chassidishe had both gone through a lot of internal questioning and and had some *very* interesting conversations with them. One of them asked if I had read "Off the Derech". I told her I had read another book that I really didn't like, Unchosen, which she was familiar with (she knew one of the people profiled well). Interestingly, though I [...]44_24Aug200608:22:06-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
1764 207 18_Re: Off the Derech9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:21:51 -0700562_ISO-8859-1 I have not read Off the Derech, however, both I and my 15yo daughter have
read Unchosen. We both looked at each other and said: " Every character
seemed to have a classical mental illness." By what the book didn't say it
spoke more to me about the sad state of the status of the mentally ill in
the Frum world. (or denial, therof). This is an issue I would really like
to see addressed. Having direct experience struggling for over 10 years
with a bipolar child in my family and being a co starter of a private
support group [...]40_24Aug200619:21:51-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
1972 24 31_mishnayot with smaller children14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:37:31 -0700586_us-ascii The current discussion on learning with kids inspired me to share what we have been doing. My 7.5 and 6 yr old sons and I are learning mishnayot together.
This started last year before sukkot -- inspired by a sukkah poster we have which illustrates different situations from masechet sukkah, my older son and I learned the first perek. More recently, before Pesach, my father started learned perek 'arvei pesachim' with him. Now I have started learning the first perek of rosh hashanna and the first perek of sukkah with both of them and we're having a great time. [...]45_25Aug200610:37:31-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
1997 173 18_Re: Off the Derech10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM31_Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:15:50 -0400479_us-ascii Avivah,
I'm afraid I really do not know a lot of what is going on in greater Frum
world, could you explain, in general, what this woman told you? What was so
shocking or what was so hypocritical?
Larry
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2171 27 35_Re: mishnayot with smaller children14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:00:20 -0400562_iso-8859-1 Hi Sigal,
Can you tell me a bit more about the mishnayos? Which text do you use? I
didn't realize that the language would be easier than chumash.
Would you recommend it for young girls?
Thanks,
Evelyn
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2199 60 18_Re: Off the Derech14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:02:54 -0400417_iso-8859-1 I highly recommend "Off the Derech" for all parents, teachers, rabbis, and principals.
Evelyn
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2260 26 18_Re: daily davening14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:06:19 -0400579_iso-8859-1 Hi Leah,
I just noticed that you homeschool your 8 year old daughter. I also do and
was wondering if your daughter would be interested in penpals.
If you are ever in the Boston area, we'd love to meet you.
Evelyn
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2287 63 35_Re: mishnayot with smaller children14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:38:56 -0500464_iso-8859-1 Dear Sigal,
It's great that you are learning mishnayot with you sons, it is quite
inspiring. I'm wondering if my 5.5 y.o. would be interested? Could you
tell me which references you are using. Thanks so much.
Mandy
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2351 103 35_Re: mishnayot with smaller children13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:26:23 -0700575_iso-8859-1 It seems from Sigal's post that she also is enjoying learning mishnayos with her children, which I am sure makes it a very positive experience for all of them! A parent shouldn't force herself to learn something with her kids (particularly at a young age) that she doesn't have an interest in or aptitude for. So it is worthwhile to take a little time to think about where your interests in Judaic learning lie and share that with your children. I have found that my kids are interested in just about anything that interests me, because passion is what makes [...]44_28Aug200612:26:23-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
2455 210 35_Re: mishnayot with smaller children14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:18:57 -0500392_iso-8859-1 Hi Avivah,
I'm interested in many things it's just an issue of narrowing them down to a managable few and not overloading myself. :-) So, I'm keeping my eyes open for the most interesting learning tools. Giving them as deep of a Torah education book wise ( of course living it and feeling it is priority ) as I possibly can. My DS is very curious and anxious to learn. [...]45_28Aug200615:18:57-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
2666 57 35_Re: mishnayot with smaller children14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:17:46 -0700349_us-ascii Hi Evelyn,
For sukkah we are using the illustrated "Yosif Or" mishna published by Feldheim and that amazing sukkah poster we bought a few years ago. For Rosh HaShanna, we use the "Mishna Bhira" -- both are with nikkud, and pirush of rabbeinu ovadeia. The sukka one also has tables and charts summarizing the flow of the mishna. [...]45_29Aug200604:17:46-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
2724 28 13_More than one14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:01:28 -0600328_utf-8 I have a general question. My 5.5 yr. old is doing grade 1, and I am going
to be starting with my 4.5 yr old in preschool work. My problem is that my
5.5 yr old gets distracted easily, and I cannot seem to give him a few
minutes of work to do on his own so that I can focus a few minutes on
someone else. [...]44_29Aug200606:01:28-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM
2753 35 16_more than one...15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:04:46 -0700594_- B"H
Rivkah,
If your 5 year old doesn't want to sit, don't worry about it. This is an
age for free exploration and play. Please read anything by Raymond and
Dorothy Moore. It actually is not age appropriate for a 5 year old to be
doing formal work. Parsha stories, maybe Alef-Bais if interested, lots and
lots of arts and crafts (especially around parsah or chagim themes). If
your child shows interest in reading, Teach YOur Child to Read in 100 Easy
Lessons requires maybe 10 minutes. It there is no interest...drop it.
Relax and enjoy...don't worry. [...]47_29Aug200607:04:46-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
2789 201 61_Re: off topicish--bar mitzva planning (and mini tzfat update)17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:46:29 -0400598_us-ascii Laya, don't know where you are in your bar mitzvah planning, but if
you love a lot of people--want to include everyone-- and have a
close-knit community ( and there are no community guidelines
forbidding home-cooked foods in public locations), how about a buffet
lunch in shul or some other large central location, allowing friends
to each contribute a dish? Plan on letting it run all afternoon,
people dropping in with well wishes.. should take some of the cooking
burden off you, keep costs reasonable, and allow friends to
participate in a meaningful way. [...]38_29Aug200611:46:29-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU
2991 30 17_Re: More than one14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:32:53 -0400694_utf-8 Try setting up a learning center using maniplatives such as games, puzzles,
and simple art materials. Also, look for Montessori type activities which
involve all the senses and are age appropriate such as beading. Use
headphones for him to listen to stories and music on CD.
Evelyn
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3022 57 23_Re: bar mitzva planning13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:20:04 -0700553_iso-8859-1 Laya, I said I would respond after our bar mitzva was over, but then didn't want to reopen such an old thread. Now that Chana has done it, I can chime in!
I don't think the specifics of what we did would be helpful, since it sounds like you are in a very different situation than we were. I would recommend the following, though: plan as thoroughly as you can and work out as many little details as you can ahead of time. Clarify (and overclarify) things that involve other people as much as you can, don't assume they understand [...]44_29Aug200610:20:04-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
3080 42 18_Re: daily davening14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:20:10 -0700716_iso-8859-1 id love to be part of this...my daughter is 9 years old...she'd love a pen
pal...... we live in los angeles.....Hadas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evelyn Krieger"
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] daily davening
> Hi Leah,
> I just noticed that you homeschool your 8 year old daughter. I also do
> and was wondering if your daughter would be interested in penpals.
> If you are ever in the Boston area, we'd love to meet you.
>
> Evelyn
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3123 50 17_Re: More than one14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:21:23 -0600367_utf-8 Thanks, those are good ideas to help with the younger one. Does anyone have
any ideas to help with the concentration of my older one (5.5) - he doesn't
do as many arts and crafts, etc, since he is doing first grade right now. I
would like to give him just a few minutes of work to do on his own while I
spend a few minutes with my other child. [...]44_30Aug200609:21:23-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM
3174 285 13_bar mitzvahs?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:51:28 EDT594_US-ASCII Meant to post a long time ago, then it was off-topic, now back on, so here i
go!
just as planning a wedding is not "just" the wedding, so too, a bar mitzvah
is not "just" a bar mitzvah.
what I mean is: planning a wedding actually involves several events revolving
around the OCCASION of the wedding. There is the engagement party (or l'chaim
or vort or both!) there is the aufruf and/or shabbos kallah (are you from the
chosson's side or the kallah's side, that makes a difference in your
planning), the wedding itself, and the sheva brochos week. [...]37_30Aug200611:51:28EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
3460 57 18_Re: daily davening0_19_BurnesFamily@CS.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:05:43 -0400683_iso-8859-1 Dear Evelyn & Hadas,
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. We were busy with my son's Bar Mitzvah. I just asked my daughter, she'd love to write to your daughters.
Leah
hadas laureano wrote:
>id love to be part of this...my daughter is 9 years old...she'd love a pen
>pal...... we live in los angeles.....Hadas
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Evelyn Krieger"
>To:
>Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] daily davening
>
>
>> Hi Leah,
>> I just noticed that you homeschool your 8 year old daughter. I also do
[...]41_30Aug200612:05:43-0400BurnesFamily@CS.COM
3518 90 17_Re: More than one13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:20:26 -0700569_iso-8859-1 My impression was that the suggestions made were for both your older and younger children. Whether that was the intent or not, all of the suggestions made were very age appropriate for a 5.5 yo. I think the suggestion to hold off on 'work' was an excellent one, though sometimes it takes a conscious effort to give credence to an idea that is different than the educational model we have grown up with. Our expectations tend to be based on what kids in school are doing, though that is usually the least effective model of education to base our efforts [...]44_30Aug200611:20:26-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM
3609 115 17_Re: More than one10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:22:20 +0300590_ISO-8859-1 Dear Rivkah,
My 6 year old enjoys playing with play dough and making a "bakery", selling
me the challot, cakes, bagels, pittot and so on that he "bakes" from play
dough. He enjoys helping in the kitchen. He loves being read to - anything
and everything, from fiction, to history, to science, to learning Tanach -
and he's getting along with his own reading skills too. He also spends a
good amount of time in the sand box, digging and shovelling and pouring and
building. He likes to build railway tracks with the Brio stuff and set up
towns and [...]42_30Aug200622:22:20+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
3725 105 17_Re: More than one14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:41:47 -0600499_utf-8 I am sorry, I have looked in the archives, maybe I just don't know what to
search for, and found nothing. And I am not sure how some of the
suggestions would apply to my child when I need him to actually sit down and
write - and arts and crafts will not do in most cases for him - it's not
necessarily just judaic stuff - I have secular work that I do with him too -
and I order a curriculum for that, it's all set out what to do. Sometimes
you do have to just sit down [...]44_30Aug200615:41:47-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM
3831 29 28_Don't mean to sound negative14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:00:27 -0600529_utf-8 I apologize if my previous email sounded negative. It was not at all
intended as such. The suggestions are great - however, for what I need, for
this child, it is not (I do not believe) what I am looking for. Living in
such a world as we do, I feel that secular education is very important as
well, and I strive to give my children the best in both judaic and secular
areas. That is why I order a set curriculum (which is great actually!), and
as such, we do need to sit down and do math pages, etc. [...]44_30Aug200616:00:27-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM
3861 49 32_Re: Don't mean to sound negative10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:16:11 -0400491_us-ascii Rikvah,
I don't think it sounded negative.
Some people use "unschooling" and others use "school at home". We've used
one or the other or even both at different times for different kids. But it
doesn't always run real smoothly. Sometimes you can get them both to work at
the same time and sometimes you have to let one take a break and play while
you teach the other. That's a good time to let the one you are not teaching
do unschooling type of stuff. [...]41_30Aug200618:16:11-0400larry@BECKFORCE.COM
3911 66 24_Re: social life for boys17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:44:23 -0400534_- From: Avivah Werner
Subject: social life for boys
>Ah, social life for older boys. Is there such a thing in the frum
>community?? We have been >dealing with the reality of having virtually no
>social group during the week for my oldest son for the >last couple of
>years. It is due to the fact that boys are in school until 6 pm (this year
>his peers >would be in school until something like 8 pm, and next year they
>have night seder and don't finish >until 9:30 pm- yikes!). [...]50_30Aug200618:44:23-0400rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM
3978 93 24_Re: social life for boys14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:32:02 -0700570_us-ascii Hi Rachel,
I can't answer this from experience with my own kids, they are too young. But I can speak from my personal experience and from my brothers' and extended family.
It seems to me that if he *chooses* this path, it may be very positive for him in a variety of ways -- being in an intense environment can be exhilirating and may be fun. Yeshiva is sometimes a very positive experience, even when family time is limited during the school days, shabbos and holidays can be made to focus more on family. However, I think all the wonderful [...]45_30Aug200616:32:02-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
4072 53 32_Re: Don't mean to sound negative14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 16:45:51 -0700506_us-ascii Rivkah,
I am not sure how long it is reasonable expectation to ask a child who is not yet 6 to "work on their own". Maybe you can "teach" the younger child while the older one is playing, not working?
The fact is if a child is distractable, it takes time and baby steps to get them to "work on their own". If this is important to you, maybe you could try to set a timer for 2 minutes and have him to a specified task on his own each day for 2 minutes, and then after 2 weeks of [...]45_30Aug200616:45:51-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
4126 137 17_Re: More than one15_Bara Loewenthal26_bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:57:45 -0600410_utf-8 Hi Rivka,
I am in the same situation as you. I have a 7yo son and almost 6yo and 2yo daughter. This is also my second year homeschooling. last year we did 1st grade Calvert. It was a great experience. My older girl was at preschool half a day and the baby was well a baby. We did a lot in that year and had a great time. He learned so much. I had so much time to give him my undivided attention. [...]48_30Aug200617:57:45-0600bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM
4264 353 17_Re: More than one9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:35:21 -0700548_ISO-8859-1 Rebecca:
Over the years I have sometimes used 'Calvert' with and without the advisory
teacher service depending on which kid is using it. I had one that was
motivated on her own and used Calvert and the advisory service for 7th and
8th grade. I never bothered her about it or did any of it with her. Of my
other kids that use/d Calvert ( for the earlier grades) They didn't have
much of a classroom type of interest, or at best it lasted for just a few
weeks. I'm just not the type to sit there and hover, they [...]40_30Aug200617:35:21-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
4618 73 50_advanced boys ( was: Don't mean to sound negative)14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 30 Aug 2006 20:57:22 -0500608_iso-8859-1 Wow Sigal,
You flipped a light switch on for me! My DS 5 is advanced and I just
couldn't understand why he didn't "act" older. Todah.
~Mandy
>
> As a mother of very advanced little boys I should probably remind myself
> as well as you that just because they are advanced beyond their academic
> level doesn't mean that they should be expected to behave like older
> children . . . I seem to forget this all the time.
>
> Sigal
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rebecca Harper
> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> [...]45_30Aug200620:57:22-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
4692 99 24_Re: social life for boys18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:55:29 -0400435_UTF-8 bs'd
Avivah,
Our Rav likes to see boys learn at a yeshiva near home until they're 18.
There is much in Derekh Eretz that boys learn in the teen years from
parents and older siblings (Mussar Avikha and Torath Imekha).
Perhaps you could find a way to use his limited time at home to
hear his reactions to new experiences he's had. And he can hear
your impressions of how you would deal with them. [...]41_31Aug200600:55:29-0400bdickman@LUCENT.COM
4792 78 32_Re: Don't mean to sound negative14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:52:56 +0200453_utf-8 I'm not sure if my comment here will be helpful Rikvah, but here goes:
First, I found with my kids if the material wasn't a match for the kid,
it was hard for them to do the work. I tried at least three different
math programs until I finally got the Singapore math (recommended to me
by this group). My daughter is 10 and really does best when I'm sitting
near by. It was only this summer that she comfortably sat on her own. [...]39_31Aug200607:52:56+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
4871 93 54_Re: advanced boys ( was: Don't mean to sound negative)14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 03:39:44 -0700513_us-ascii Mandy,
We're in the same boat!
I need to remind myself of this AT LEAST 10 times a day . . .
Sigal
----- Original Message ----
From: Mandy Oeschger
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:57:22 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] advanced boys ( was: Don't mean to sound negative)
Wow Sigal,
You flipped a light switch on for me! My DS 5 is advanced and I just
couldn't understand why he didn't "act" older. Todah. [...]45_31Aug200603:39:44-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
4965 115 20_Re: age appropriate?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:58:01 EDT428_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/31/06 2:01:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:
> Wow Sigal,
>
> You flipped a light switch on for me! My DS 5 is advanced and I just
> couldn't understand why he didn't "act" older. Todah.
>
>
this reminds me of a scene that I witnessed at a friendly neighborhood
barbecue. A few friends got together to enjoy a sunny sunday afternoon. [...]37_31Aug200610:58:01EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
5081 178 20_Re: age appropriate?12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:23:30 -0400400_ISO-8859-1 Yes, I get this a lot. My 5 yo taught herself to read a full year
before she was potty trained (she is a MAJOR perfectionist and was in
diapers almost until her 4th birthday, but started reading at 2.5).
People made so many stupid comments including the person who told me
that "Obviously I had my priorities in the wrong order" LOL As if I had
any control over it.... [...]44_31Aug200614:23:30-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
5260 225 20_Re: age appropriate?10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:51:08 +0300548_ISO-8859-1 I think this is more of an issue when dealing with the oldest child in a
family. The child also looks big compared to his/her siblings and can do
more than them. I've been mulling over this during the past couple of
months, as I've been comparing my sons. Ds#1 is now 11, and ds#3 is now 6.
I've been thinking how Daniel is developmentally pretty much in the same
place that Benjamin was at the same age, but how I viewed Benjamin as bigger
- he already had 2 younger siblings and could do so much more than them, [...]42_31Aug200621:51:08+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
5486 284 20_Re: age appropriate?14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:52:57 +0200624_us-ascii I've had almost opposite experiences with my kids. They're both very
articulate, clever, and engaging but are late readers and move along
slowly but surely "academically" i.e. reading and writing skills. One
has a pretty mature manner, the other is a wild child....
This summer I planted zinnia seeds. I planted them at the same time. I
watered them the same. They got the same sun. Some came up really fast
and started blooming while others were just seedlings. Some of the
flowers came up red, some orange, some pink, and all different shades
too. I really understood the concept [...]38_1Sep200600:52:57+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
5771 195 20_Re: age appropriate?9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:25:17 -0700580_ISO-8859-1 Accidental sent button before I even wrote anything except for:
-Now, now Rena:-
I'll continue with my thought:
Let's see what it would be if your son could tie his shoes but couldn't read
a siddur-- And the 'not very bright or emotionally mature or child
developmentally savvy' woman said: "Wow, I can't believe that a child who
can tie his shoes can't read a siddur." You'd still have to say, "duh".
People will say things, let them talk and learn from it. Someone that is
having some of my children visit for a few weeks said to me that [...]40_31Aug200616:25:17-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
5967 102 54_Re: advanced boys ( was: Don't mean to sound negative)14_Rebecca Harper22_hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM31_Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:29:58 -0600515_utf-8 You know, that is so true, and I find myself forgetting that for the half
the time that my DS does act more mature (which I guess is also because he
is the first born), and then I wonder why he acts so "immature" the minute
later!
I noticed the last couple of days that he seems to do well when I give him
the challange of time - whether it is timing how long it takes to do a math
page, or how many nun sofet's he can write (neatly and correctly!) in 2
minutes. I did not think [...]44_31Aug200620:29:58-0600hudabecca@RAINMALL.COM