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2 126 11_Re: Shavuot9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:15:43 -0700492_ISO-8859-1 In the tradition of Milk Foods for Shavuot, I submit this easy cheesecake to
make
adapted from "Recipes from the Heart From LLL of Oregon":
12oz. cream cheese
3 eggs
1/2 cup honey
1 tsp vanilla
1 Tbsp lemon juice
Beat cream cheese until soft and creamy. Add honey, vanilla, lemon juice
and beat in eggs. Pour into ready made graham cracker pie crust.
Bake 20 minutes at 350 degrees. Cool 2 hours.
( I bake it twice as long in my oven) [...]39_1Jun200600:15:43-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
129 133 11_Re: Shavuot14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Wed, 31 May 2006 23:54:59 -0700543_iso-8859-1 did you get the recipe for the onion soup? i would love it, if youd share it with me....thank you and Chag Sameach....Hadas
----- Original Message -----
From: Mandy Oeschger
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: [TORCH-D] Shavuot
Anyone up to sharing kid-friendly recipes for Shavuot...??? Aish has the best french onion soup I've ever tasted but not all of my kids like that :-) I plan on making it anyway, it's too good to pass up. Looking forward to hearing from you. [...]42_31May200623:54:59-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
263 250 11_Re: Shavuot14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET30_Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:37:05 -0500624_iso-8859-1 Onion Soup:
10 onions, sliced
4 tablespoons butter
4 tablespoons olive oil
1-tablespoon sugar
1-teaspoon nutmeg
8 teaspoons parve beef soup mix
10 cups water
Salt and pepper to taste
3/4 cup dry red wine
12 slices thick French bread, toasted
2 cups grated mozzarella cheese mixed with 1/2 cup grated Parmesan cheese
Preheat oven to 400 degrees. Heat butter and oil in large stockpot. Sauté onions until soft. Add sugar and nutmeg and continue to Sauté. Add soup mix water, salt and pepper and bring to a boil. Simmer for 10 minutes, add wine and simmer for another 10 [...]44_1Jun200608:37:05-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
514 88 52_Thanks for the condolences---more on OBEYING PARENTS16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM30_Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:33:14 -0400570_us-ascii Thanks to all who paid condolences and to Barbara for actually visiting.
Someone asked about "obedience" to parents. I again reiterate that there
is no such commandment. Here in Baltimore the Ner Tamid Synagogue had a
learn a thon on Shavuoth. Rabbi Adler (From another synagogue) pointed
out that ALTHOUGH there are many commandments to LOVE
- Love God
- Love the stranger
there is NO commandment to
- Love ones parents.
Rabbi Adler suggested that the parent-child relationship is to volatile
to have such a commandment. [...]38_4Jun200621:33:14-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
603 126 62_Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school0_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM28_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:49:10 EDT366_US-ASCII Oh boy.
My dream is finally coming true...for the first time since my childhood, I
will again be living in an observant Jewish community. But sadly that happiness
is being dampened by a leading member of said community, who keeps putting
LOTS of pressure on me to stop HSing my children and put them into the
community's day school. [...]40_5Jun200609:49:10EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM
730 79 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:10:22 -0500566_ISO-8859-1 I would make disparaging comments about this community but so soon after
Shavuous....
This is a larger issue to me in Orthodox society: the pressure to
conform to some communal standard or other. It is the largest reason I
do not live in an established community, and doubt I ever will.
I have never dealt with this particular issue but I have dealt with
pushy rabbis etc. My response is not to be terribly polite but at least
firm about it. "This is what I am going to do. I am sorry if you don't
like it, but that's how [...]48_5Jun200610:10:22-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
810 233 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:37:03 -0500430_iso-8859-1 This is something I am concerned about... I'm currently in "exile" but we have hopes and are looking into relocating. The only thing I think a Jewish school could do more than I is teach the depth of Torah. Who knows, with H-Shem's help maybe I can do that too.. I can't think of a place here in the states where we would "fit". I'm very "in the garden" kind of Orthodox lady. :-) ( hint-hint to any suggestions ) [...]44_5Jun200610:37:03-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
1044 96 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:03:23 -0700740_iso-8859-1 i would like to hear from anyone who is divorced....with one child.....I
am considering homeschooling but confused about several issues.....my
daughter in 9 and goes to an orthodox school now....she Loves the social
aspects of it......so Im just confused on whether it is really better for
her.............I know in certain ways Yes, but in other ways....Im not
sure....can anyone share their experiences and knowledge with me.....thank
you so much....Hadas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bernstein"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in
day school [...]41_5Jun200609:03:23-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
1141 166 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:02:42 -0400523_us-ascii Chana,
Some people will never learn nor stop pressuring you. We've been home
schooling for 13 years, we've proven we can be successful (I have two at
Georgia Tech) and still this Rabbi tells me that I am destroying my kids. I
am firm but polite. I focus less on why I am not putting the kids in the
school and more on the reasons why we want to homeschool. If they continue
to push I change the subject even to the point of asking them to stop
pushing me. Above all, don't get angry. [...]40_5Jun200613:02:42-0400larry@BECKFORCE.COM
1308 56 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:16:11 -0400400_ISO-8859-1 <<"This is what I am going to do. I am sorry if you don't
like it, but that's how it is." >>
yup. and sometimes maybe a "that's not up for discussion, but i did
want to chat with you about x/y and z".
or 'i know *you* want my kids in the day school - but
switching subjects do you find that kroger or publix has the better
kosher meat department? [...]39_5Jun200613:16:11-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
1365 179 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:25:32 -0400417_us-ascii bs'd
Chana,
Fortunately, your responsibility is limited to doing the best
for your kids.
There may be any number of reasons 'community people' put pressure
on others to join the school. Money comes to mind first :-) .
The costs are more bearable if spread out over a larger population.
The pressure types might also have a stake in the school teachers
or administration. [...]40_5Jun200613:25:32-0400bdickman@LUCENT.COM
1545 92 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:45:07 +0300362_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chana,
You'd be amazed what one child out of the system represents.
That's $10,000+ that's not going to the school.
That's a class that didn't get the funding to be split into two because
you wouldn't let your kid be the "tie-breaker".
That's one family that can't be under close supervision of the community. [...]45_5Jun200620:45:07+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
1638 150 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school0_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM28_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:48:03 EDT582_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/5/2006 11:17:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET writes:
This is a larger issue to me in Orthodox society: the pressure to
conform to some communal standard or other. It is the largest reason I
do not live in an established community, and doubt I ever will.
I have never dealt with this particular issue but I have dealt with
pushy rabbis etc. My response is not to be terribly polite but at least
firm about it. "This is what I am going to do. I am sorry if you don't
like it, but that's how it [...]40_5Jun200615:48:03EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM
1789 34 10_New member2_JW22_lilt2005@OPTONLINE.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400606_US-ASCII Name Yehudis
Student Rose age 13 8th grade for 2006/7
Location Monsey NY
Our daughter Rose wishes to transfer from public school to a Jewish High
School for 9th so we are home teaching her to get her ready. Also she needs
some catch up on her secular studies as well. We have already informed the
superintendent of schools for our district of our intent to home school.
We are affiliated Lubavitch.
My mom homeschooled my brother in the 90's so our whole family is familiar
with many of the procedures &requirements.
Any time and attention from the list members [...]43_5Jun200613:03:29-0400lilt2005@OPTONLINE.NET
1824 29 19_pressure to conform15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:41:35 -0700707_- Chana,
There is another hschooler in Philly. She has a website:
Frumphillyfarmgirl (google it)
Her kids are older, but perhaps she could give you chizuk.
Kol Tuv,
michelle
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1854 87 85_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school -a nd introduction12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:44:46 -0400468_ISO-8859-1 B"SD
Well with the discussion going on about day school pressure, this seems
like a good time to introduce myself. :)
My name is Yonit Kasten and I live with my husband and 3 children in
MA. My son is 16 and has been home for the past 6 years, but has been
accepted into college for this coming fall. We had his graduation
ceremony yesterday, he has a job for the summer, so now we enter a new
phase in our relationship :) [...]43_5Jun200617:44:46-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
1942 50 35_2nd grade Limudei Kodesh Curriculum12_Yonit Kasten22_jillkasten@CHARTER.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:54:37 -0400596_ISO-8859-1 B"SD
Hi Everyone,
As I mentioned in my other post, I will be homeschooling my daughters
this coming fall for Limudei Kodesh. They have been in a day school for
this until now, while I homeschooled their secular subjects.
I have no ideas what is typically taught in a 2nd grade curriculum, and
even though I know I don't have to follow that, a starting place will be
really great. We are Frum and live in a Chabadnik community, although
we ourselves are not completely Lubavitch ourselves we do like a lot of
it. The school they have been in [...]43_5Jun200617:54:37-0400jillkasten@CHARTER.NET
1993 41 19_pressure to conform15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:58:19 -0700465_- The primary reason we live outside the nearest eruv (10 miles) is
precisely because of the extreme pressure to conform vis a vis schools. We
are the only observant family by our Chabad and I must say there have been a
few "suggestions" but no pressure to speak of.
I agree, it is good to be firm and change the subject. Hschooling is
just outside the realm of what most frum people can conceive of (unless they
are on remote shlichus). [...]46_5Jun200614:58:19-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
2035 89 39_Re: 2nd grade Limudei Kodesh Curriculum14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:09:26 -0700586_iso-8859-1 Hi Yonit,
I have lots of info on this, but am too lazy to type!
Would you call me at 401-751-9416 when you get a
chance (it will be nice to chat with you again!)
Sigal
--- Yonit Kasten wrote:
> B"SD
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> As I mentioned in my other post, I will be
> homeschooling my daughters
> this coming fall for Limudei Kodesh. They have been
> in a day school for
> this until now, while I homeschooled their secular
> subjects.
>
> I have no ideas what is typically taught [...]44_5Jun200615:09:26-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM
2125 89 39_Re: 2nd grade Limudei Kodesh Curriculum14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:40:48 +0300638_ISO-8859-1 Welcome, Yonit!
Take a look at the e-chinuch.org web site. It's very handy and has
multiple curriculum resources. There is currently no school-in-a-box
program for Jewish homeschoolers.
You don't need "to cover" everything. In fact, IMO, the less I try to
cover the more my kids learn. Torah included.
The best way to learn Hebrew is to find an Israeli family with kids your
kids can play with. This works wonders. Also, I recommend the book "Meah
Shirim Rishonim" with the CD, if possible, with all the basic little
songs kids here sing. Great for vocabulary and culture (though if [...]45_5Jun200623:40:48+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
2215 64 24_Rabbis and homeschooling14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:21:20 +0300338_ISO-8859-1 Wow, maybe it's because I live in Israel, but our Rav, who has grown
children, told us, "That's the one thing that my wife and I wish we had
done differently. If we could do it again we would homeschool".
Another community Rav said, ironically, "what's the matter? You don't
want their spirits destroyed?" [...]45_5Jun200623:21:20+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
2280 68 85_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school -a nd introduction10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:41:53 -0400513_us-ascii Yonit,
When we moved to Atlanta we put the kids in the school for the first year
(1193). At the end of the year we knew we had to pull the kids out because
of both poor education and the poor midos of the school. But we decided to
give it a final attempt. My wife spent 5 full days sitting in the class of
the two we had in school (1st and 3rd grades) and in the next class they
would be going into. Then she went to the Minakhel with 10 pages of notes
and said: "these are [...]40_5Jun200619:41:53-0400larry@BECKFORCE.COM
2349 84 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling15_Shoshana Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 05:50:57 -0400645_us-ascii > Clearly, I'm blessed to have a Rav who gets the big picture, and values
clarity over conformity.
Yes! Sounds like you're hanging out with the right people!
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
Malkie Swidler
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:21 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] Rabbis and homeschooling
Wow, maybe it's because I live in Israel, but our Rav, who has grown
children, told us, "That's the one thing that my wife and I wish we had
done differently. If we could do it again we would homeschool". [...]39_6Jun200605:50:57-0400ssloman@NETLAB.COM
2434 80 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:16:43 -0700653_iso-8859-1 did my question go through....i am a new member of the list.....Hadas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Malkie Swidler"
To:
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] Rabbis and homeschooling
> Wow, maybe it's because I live in Israel, but our Rav, who has grown
> children, told us, "That's the one thing that my wife and I wish we had
> done differently. If we could do it again we would homeschool".
>
> Another community Rav said, ironically, "what's the matter? You don't
> want their spirits destroyed?"
>
> A third, once he [...]41_5Jun200622:16:43-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
2515 63 14_Re: New member14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:47:52 +0200589_us-ascii Welcome Yehuds! There are lots of wonderful resouces from the people on
this very supportive list. Do you have specific questions?
Laya in Tzfat
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:03:29 -0400 JW writes:
> Name Yehudis
> Student Rose age 13 8th grade for 2006/7
> Location Monsey NY
> Our daughter Rose wishes to transfer from public school to a Jewish
> High
> School for 9th so we are home teaching her to get her ready. Also
> she needs
> some catch up on her secular studies as well. We have already
> informed the
> [...]38_6Jun200608:47:52+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
2579 38 10_conforming14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:04:41 +0200498_us-ascii One thing that I've learned living in Israel (where everyone is in your
face with an opinion) is that you'll just never please everyone. You'll
be too observant for some, and not enough for others no matter where you
hold.
The good news is that Jews care about each other in significant ways. We
are a stiffed neck people, it's our nature. So look for or assume good
intentions and even if they aren't really there, people might just rise
to the expectation. [...]38_6Jun200609:04:41+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
2618 35 23_Re: pressure to conform14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:59:51 +0200564_us-ascii I wish I had time to really read all the posts. But I do want to put in
a little comment. I just got the book "Off the Derech". I think I'd ask
people to read that book before we continue any discussion at this point.
Smiling sweetly: "Have you read 'Off the Derech?'' Let me know when
you've read that and perhaps some other books about homeschooling so I
won't have to start this conversation from scratch and we might be in a
better position to continue this discussion. I'd be happy to recommend
other books on the topic [...]38_6Jun200608:59:51+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
2654 37 66_Re: Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in day school15_Shoshana Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:05:59 -0400752_us-ascii Can you tell us a little about your reasons for considering Homeschooling?
-Shoshi
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
hadas laureano
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:03 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in
day school
i would like to hear from anyone who is divorced....with one child.....I
am considering homeschooling but confused about several issues.....my
daughter in 9 and goes to an orthodox school now....she Loves the social
aspects of it......so Im just confused on whether it is really better for
her.............I know in certain ways Yes, but [...]39_6Jun200609:05:59-0400ssloman@NETLAB.COM
2692 47 5_Hadas15_Shoshana Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:12:37 -0400472_us-ascii Just want to clarify that my question, below, was intended for Hadas:
Can you tell us a little about your reasons for considering Homeschooling?
-Shoshi
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
hadas laureano
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:03 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Dealing with *extreme* pressure to put HSed kids in
day school [...]39_6Jun200609:12:37-0400ssloman@NETLAB.COM
2740 284 13_Re: pressure?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:32:42 EDT438_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/6/06 2:00:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:
> So, I guess at least in my experience, I would say give it time. People
> get very defensive about their family and their lifestyle choices, as
> they get to know you and your family and realize that you aren't a
> threat to them they will get over it. Some will anyway -and they will
> be your friends :)
> [...]36_6Jun200608:32:42EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
3025 125 20_Re: more on pressure0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:43:34 EDT589_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/6/06 2:00:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:
> He stopped bugging us, especially when he saw over the
> years that we were not bad mouthing the school. We even went to some of
> their fund raisers. Our public statements are that the school is good but
> that we feel we can do a better job and that homeschooling is not for
> everyone. That way the community does not feel threatened. I.e., they don't
> feel we are trying to "convert" others to our homeschool philosophy. It
> takes time. The pressure [...]36_6Jun200608:43:34EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM
3151 109 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:37:15 -0700608_iso-8859-1 Hi...thank you for asking. Some of the reasons I am choosing homeschooling
comes from being unhappy with the long long hours of my daughter's
school.....especially with all the things I feel it is missing. So often it
seems like a day of babysitting in certain ways, I feel they miss out on so
many opportunities they have to infuse the love of learning into her
program. This year, 4th grade, its been especially difficult year....the
English studies has lacked so much of what i wish her to have. I would love
to hear from anyone who is divorced....especially with one [...]41_6Jun200612:37:15-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
3261 42 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling15_Shoshana Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:48:48 -0400469_us-ascii I think a lot of people here can relate to the reasons you mention. It can
be challenging to homeschool as a single parent, but people have and do.
Will you need to be working at all?
-Shoshi
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
hadas laureano
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:37 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Rabbis and homeschooling [...]39_6Jun200617:48:48-0400ssloman@NETLAB.COM
3304 72 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:46:42 -0700590_iso-8859-1 Thank you for saying that....I just feel like I need to find other frummies
who are doing it that i can talk to....Im so grateful to find out about this
group! I would love to hear from other people doing this in los
angeles....anybody have a 9 year old daughter?? yes, i will be working
...actually two jobs...i support my daughter alone....but i have Some
flexibility to work things around my daughter' s schedule , depending on
what it is. Is there anyone out there who is divorced and homeschooling.
Id love to hear from you......I need to begin to [...]41_6Jun200616:46:42-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
3377 58 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:39:38 -0700543_iso-8859-1 I am the only parent to 3 kids who are all now teenagers. We started
homeschooling 4 years ago when it was clear that one of my kids was getting
no education at all at the local day school. I never intended to homeschool
more than one school year, but once we started we just kept going because we
liked the freedom. However, I'm not fanatic about it and always have wanted
to find the best educational mix for each of my children. This year, one of
my kids has been in boarding school as she wanted to be in [...]35_6Jun200618:39:38-0700zara@HAIMO.NET
3436 51 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:09:57 +0200392_us-ascii Hi Hadas, If you don't find someone in your situation on this list that
you can talk wtih, there are other homeschooling lists you could check
out. In general, I've found homeschoolers to be very supportive people.
I did a search for "single parent homeschool" and found this link:
http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/weblinks/working.htm at the top of
the list. [...]38_7Jun200606:09:57+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
3488 93 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:34:15 -0700610_iso-8859-1 are you by chance in l.a? I found it so interesting what you said....Id
love to speak more to you.....What state are you in?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zara Haimo"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Rabbis and homeschooling
>I am the only parent to 3 kids who are all now teenagers. We started
> homeschooling 4 years ago when it was clear that one of my kids was
> getting
> no education at all at the local day school. I never intended to
> homeschool
> more than one school [...]41_6Jun200622:34:15-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
3582 193 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA30_Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:00:51 -0700562_windows-1255 bs"d
Well, I don't know if anyone here is in precisely the situation of being
divorced and homeschooling one child, but I'll take a stab at it.
I was a single parent with 3 children for years (divorced when I had a
preschooler, a toddler and an infant). I eventually moved them from one day
school to another, more orthodox one, in an attempt to get a better fit
(getting away from treif birthday parties, non tzniut clothes, emphasis on
money instead of middot, etc.) but had difficulties with the administration. [...]38_6Jun200616:00:51-0700OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA
3776 40 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM30_Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:14:04 -0400728_US-ASCII Zara,
How and where did you find the companies (started on someone's dining room
table) to see?
What area do you live in?
Thanks,
Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
Zara Haimo
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:40 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Rabbis and homeschooling
...
For example, since I personally have had much more success starting
companies than with regular 9-5 jobs, we went on several field trips just to
see companies that had started on someone's dining room table so my kids
would think more broadly about their own future career choices.
[...]40_7Jun200607:14:04-0400larry@BECKFORCE.COM
3817 248 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:52:39 -0700618_windows-1255 Shevy..you are so sweet to write me your experience....sounds like youve
done quite a wonderful job with your kid....Baruch Hashem. Could you tell
me what area you are in and also....I dont have a clue what resources to use
to homeschool.....like you mentioned some names like letter of the
week....what is that? As of now, I have no resources......Also, it is not
that she doesnt fit in, Thank G-d, her socialization is the part Im scared
to take her out of...it is her forte...even though we are foreigners and she
didnt speak much english at first....she's done quite well at [...]41_7Jun200610:52:39-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
4066 182 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET30_Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:09:02 -0700569_iso-8859-1 > How and where did you find the companies (started on someone's dining room
> table) to see?
> What area do you live in?
We live in the San Francisco Bay area. There are many, many startups here, not just high tech companies. I don't remember all the field trips we've made, but off the top of my head, some of the best were:
a.. Mrs. Grossman's Sticker Factory www.mrsgrossmans.com/tours. Mrs. Grossman came up with her first sticker driving in her car and ran the business for many years from her home. They are now in a huge, modern [...]35_7Jun200623:09:02-0700zara@HAIMO.NET
4249 183 27_Educational-- Trip to space14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:29:46 +0200482_us-ascii My kids and I enjoyed this so I thought I'd pass it along for those of
you who might also.
This takes 12 minutes or so to watch. It takes you to the outmost
reaches of the universe and is simply incredible.
SpaceWander Roundtrip First Class
Laya
Author of the best loved self help book for teens
"You Don't Have to Learn Everything the Hard Way"
www.AuntLaya.com
http://tinyurl.com/92up5
http://www.auntlaya.blogspot.com/ [...]38_8Jun200615:29:46+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
4433 57 28_Re: Rabbis and homeschooling12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM30_Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:10:57 -0400424_us-ascii I just want to thank Zara for the great info about home businesses
that made it big! I think those field trips sound fascinating. It
would also be interesting to hear about the variety of home
businesses that Jewish mothers, specifically, are successfully
running while raising their children, whether or not they have grown
beyond that (or want to). But I guess that's a whole different topic! [...]43_8Jun200610:10:57-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM
4491 47 29_Summer Camp for a 3 year old?12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:10:22 -0700577_windows-1255 Hi Everyone,
I hope everyone is enjoying their end of the school year activities.
I have a question regarding the pros and cons of summer camp.
My oldest is 3 1/2 and my husband and I have been discussing sending her to
an Aish summer camp. The program is M-F from 9 -1. She has never been in a
formal, structured environment with other children. On the one hand, I think
this would be a great opportunity for her to spend time with other Jewish
children her age. I think she would really enjoy it. On the other hand, I'm
[...]41_13Jun200600:10:22-0700renaweisman@COX.NET
4539 46 11_summer camp15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:26:34 -0700505_- In the frum world, camp seems to be an extension of school.....a requirement
for shidduchim even. It's absurd. I see parents forcing their children
into camp "for their own good." While it might be more appropriate for a
child who is homeschooled and with their family all the time, camp still
presents its own set of challenges: school behaviors, including cliques,
bullying, snotty behavior learned and brought home, and exposure to public
school kids (if it's kiruv oriented). [...]47_13Jun200606:26:34-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM
4586 121 33_Re: Summer Camp for a 3 year old?10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:09:38 +0300474_ISO-8859-1 I think the bottom line is that you know your child better than anyone else
does.
*My* gut tells me 3 1/2 is way too young to be away from Mummy, but then
again, many many children go to preschool programs full-time from that age,
or even younger. It's a question of each family doing what is right for them
at any given time. And of course, that different children, even in the same
family, can be ready for things at different times. [...]42_13Jun200617:09:38+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
4708 46 15_Re: summer camp14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:01:58 -0500452_iso-8859-1 It is indeed sad that this is true...I am already concerned for the
shidduchim problems that may arise several years down the road...on top of
seeing my little guys become young men...I'm trying to make matches
already between us and other hschooling. friends :-) We'll save the
contracts for later :-) I think we'd stay away from camps at this point
even if we did the opportunity to go to one that was close... [...]45_13Jun200612:01:58-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
4755 50 33_Re: Summer Camp for a 3 year old?8_cillakat18_cillakat@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:22:33 -0400592_ISO-8859-1 While I agree wholeheartedly with Michelle, I do send my kids to some
camps. This is their second week.....next week they'll either stay
home or perhaps do half days at Gan Izzy at our Chabad shul.
My experience it that it Really Depends On The Camp. I go by my kids
behavior when they come home....if they're happy, sweet and even
keeled - it was generally good. If they come home with lots of
attitude, rudeness, irritability it wasn't a good fit for one of many
reasons (bad influences, sensory overload, boredom whatever.....could
be anything) [...]40_13Jun200613:22:33-0400cillakat@GMAIL.COM
4806 279 33_Re: Summer Camp for a 3 year old?14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:16:12 -0700475_iso-8859-1 i am a divorced mother of one 9 year old daughter who has been in a Chabad school .....I was wondering about the feedback of anyone who is doing it on their own........does anyone know about rights regarding homeschooling...(custody, etc.) or the success rate of someone who is doing it alone? i really feel alone and need to build a support system of others to talk about this with...i am totally new to the concept.......any body doing this in los angeles? [...]42_13Jun200621:16:12-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
5086 127 58_Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year15_Rachel Gurevich25_rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:21:46 +0200544_ISO-8859-1 Hello, everyone,
It's official, I'm going to be homeschooling both my kids this coming
year, my almost 5 yr old (will be K) and my almost 7 yr old (will be
2nd grade). My 4 yr old has never been to school (nor daycare), and my
6 yr old has been in school since Nursery, about 4 yrs old. I'm
excited, and at the same time a little nervous, which I'm sure is to
be expected. And Rena, now you can say someone you talked to about
homeschooling actually "took the plunge", as you put in your email a
few [...]47_20Jun200618:21:46+0200rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM
5214 201 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:23:47 +0300574_ISO-8859-1 Dear Rachel,
I'm pleased to hear you are taking the plunge and joining us Israeli
homeschoolers. (My 6 year old will be delighted to make more friends :-) By
the way, we live about 10 minutes drive from RBS.)
What I was told at the beginning was to relax and "just let the kids live",
and not worry about "schoolwork". Once I "got it", I realized it was good
advice. Our kids learn much more, much more quickly in a rich home
environment, than in a school setting. 5 minutes of reading or math with
you, when *they* feel like [...]42_20Jun200622:23:47+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
5416 62 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year14_Chaya Phillips27_callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:11:19 -0400675_ISO-8859-1 Normally I lurk, however I felt compelled to give you a few of my pearls. LOL
>
>From: Rachel Gurevich
>Date: 2006/06/20 Tue PM 12:21:46 EDT
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: [TORCH-D] Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year
>
>Hello, everyone,
>>It's official, I'm going to be homeschooling both my kids this coming
>year,
>
>I have a few questions, if any veteran homeschoolers would like to
>advise me on...
>
>1. Does anyone have any words of wisdom, general wisdom, that you wish
>you had been told, or known, when you were just starting out
>homeschooling? [...]49_20Jun200615:11:19-0400callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET
5479 38 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:27:31 -0400610_iso-8859-1 Hi Rachel,
You are lucky that your children are so close in age. In some ways, this
will make things easier as they can do more together like listening to the
same stories, art projects, and parasha. I would let your children enjoy
being children with lots of time for playing together, reading stories,
physical exercise, outdoor time, art and music. Do not try to do too much.
With very young children, I recommend working on your own organization and
planning. Having materials in bins with labels that the children can access
keeps things in order. It helps to have [...]40_20Jun200616:27:31-0400ek2000@COMCAST.NET
5518 124 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:19:37 -0700664_windows-1255 bs"d
Welcome!
My response is interspersed below.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Gurevich
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Date: June 20, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: [TORCH-D] Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this
year
>1. Does anyone have any words of wisdom, general wisdom, that you wish
>you had been told, or known, when you were just starting out
>homeschooling? I'd love to hear it -- anything ya got. ;) I'm sure
>there is a book worth of info for this one question, but I'm obviously
>just asking for a bit, a few golden nuggets. [...]39_20Jun200614:19:37-0700OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA
5643 96 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:50:14 +0300377_ISO-8859-1 Rachel, welcome!
> 1. Does anyone have any words of wisdom, general wisdom, that you wish
> you had been told, or known, when you were just starting out
> homeschooling? I'd love to hear it -- anything ya got. ;) I'm sure
> there is a book worth of info for this one question, but I'm obviously
> just asking for a bit, a few golden nuggets. [...]46_20Jun200621:50:14+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL
5740 137 41_hschol. Israel ( was looking for wisdom )14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:24:43 -0500587_iso-8859-1 Louise,
Does homeschooling in Israel effect later joining a yeshivah? Also, does it effect military service?
Thanks,
Mandy
----- Original Message -----
From: Louise Fox
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year
Dear Rachel,
I'm pleased to hear you are taking the plunge and joining us Israeli homeschoolers. (My 6 year old will be delighted to make more friends :-) By the way, we live about 10 minutes drive from RBS.) [...]45_20Jun200618:24:43-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
5878 93 45_Re: hschol. Israel ( was looking for wisdom )10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:01:01 +0300458_ISO-8859-1 Given that my oldest is 11 (yesterday), I can't answer from any personal
experience.
There are homeschoolers here who have integrated into the school system
during high school (without any problems). I would assume a lot would depend
on the individual yeshiva - though any yeshiva which was so closed-minded as
to not consider accepting a homeschooled kid is not a place I would even
consider sending a child!! YMMV :-) [...]42_21Jun200609:01:01+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
5972 215 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:15:39 -0700568_ISO-8859-1 Rachel:
I won't repeat what everyone has already told you since it was all good
advice. I can tell you a few thing that I have gleaned over the years. We
have mostly been unschoolers and my kids did a High School by mail (so they
could have a diploma). Periodically some were doing Calvert (or rather,
parts thereof). I can offer you what my third (now in college) daughter
said was appreciated by her. When she wanted to do the Calvert 7th grade
Curriculum she said that the science was too hard for her and it was holding
her [...]40_20Jun200623:15:39-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM
6188 159 18_Re: hschol. Israel14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:50:09 -0500614_iso-8859-1 Louise,
Thanks for yet again answering my Israel questions. I was hoping to avoid my blessings of sons going into the military. I suppose many mothers could feel this way. I'm a little too scared for them to join unless they were lead by a Yehoshua or Moshe! :-)
Sincerely,
Mandy
There are more homeschooling families who feel it is important to serve in the army, and whose kids will be approaching military age over the next few years. Hopefully during that time, we will succeed in educating the military such that they stop putting off homeschoolers and start accepting [...]45_21Jun200606:50:09-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET
6348 612 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:40:02 +0200590_us-ascii Hey Rachel, welcome to outside the box where the air is clear and freedom
rings. :-)
I wish we could take all these answers and compile them into a FAQ page
for others to read!
I listen to shiruim online and just found one by Lori Palatnik where she
talks about personality styles based on the avot (forefathers, Abraham,
Yitzchak, and Ya'akov). I've only listened to it once and intend to
listen again until I get it. She's got some great guidelines about body
and soul inclinations that I think I could use to my advantage as I
parent and [...]39_21Jun200616:40:02+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
6961 149 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year15_Shoshana Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:51:30 -0400466_us-ascii > I wish we could take all these answers and compile them into a FAQ page
for others to read!
We CAN do that-we just need people who have time! (Haha!)
-Shoshi
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7111 38 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:32:20 -0400473_windows-1255 bs'd
Why are they trying to get a 7-year-old to memorize mishnayos?
"[age]10 for mishna" (Pirkei Avos). And too many schools are
trying to show off how many mishnayos their students can
memorize, and the kids don't *understand* those mishnayos yet.
Really poor. When you DS is ready, he'll be wanting to understand
the words and the concepts first. After he's mastered a perek,
then it's nice to memorize the mishnayos of that perek. [...]41_21Jun200618:32:20-0400bdickman@LUCENT.COM
7150 89 18_Re: hschol. Israel10_Louise Fox20_fox.louise@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:54:55 +0300559_ISO-8859-1 If/when you come to Israel, your homeschooled sons would have no trouble
avoiding the army if they so chose.
Personally, I am scared silly of the idea of my children being in the army,
but here it is a part of life. It is also a privilege to serve one's
country, especially when that country is Eretz Hakodesh. My husband serves
in miluim, and on the one hand, it's a pain, yet on the other, I am proud of
him. (He could easily have avoided military service, apart from a bare
minimum, but chose to serve more than he had [...]42_21Jun200620:54:55+0300fox.louise@GMAIL.COM
7240 53 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:18:03 -0400355_us-ascii Rachel
I can tell you how I approached teaching Chumash and Rashi. I taught
5,7,9 and 11 year olds.
1st) I didnt emphasize mechanics (How to read Rashi script, etc). I
emphasized wholistic
(I am not saying you shouldnt teach them how to read but but there is a
story out there
without them knowing individual words) [...]39_21Jun200617:18:03-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
7294 136 62_Re: Looking for words of wisdom, going to homeschool this year13_gilla s weiss20_weissfambh@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:34:52 -0700557_iso-8859-1 I havn't posted much and it's been a while ,I usually just enjoy reading all your posts, but I really feel that youhave just given me some chizuk! thankyou! my61/2 yr old sons pends most of his time palying lego and building amazing structures and the rest of the time coloring or playing with his 2younger brothers. I have been feeling so guilty lately.... since I just let them play most of the time........and I have been feeling that I need to do more, they need to "learn more" and that maybe Im not meant to be homeschooling since Iam [...]42_21Jun200621:34:52-0700weissfambh@YAHOO.COM
7431 27 32_Re: Structured vs Non Structured16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:11:42 -0400608_us-ascii Hmm This is a question of balance. We all know that TOO MUCH structure
turns kids off and too little structure will deemphasize learning. The
Rav (Rabbi Joseph Baer Soloveitchick) emphasized the importance of
"establishing times for learning" So an ideal situation is if you tell
your kids that during the week certain times (e.g. 9-11 and 1-3) are
devoted to certain subjects and THEN be FLEXIBLE with the OTHER TIMES.
This seems to make the most sense to me. The Idea of "habit" is very
important just as the idea of flexibility is important So I would simply
combine [...]39_24Jun200623:11:42-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM
7459 31 16_Kids and animals6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:18:05 -0600620_US-ASCII My family and I attended a wool and fiber show last Sunday in Estes Park,
Colorado. We met a lot of llamas, alpacas, goats, sheep, rabbits and their
owners. The people were so friendly and interesting and our kids loved
getting that close to "real" animals.
One woman gave us a packet of materials about an organization called Heifer
International. This is something that many of you might like to check out,
especially their web page for kids - http://readtofeed.com/. There is a
whole curriculum to order as well as projects for kids to directly help
others around the world. [...]42_25Jun200600:18:05-0600najova@EARTHLINK.NET
7491 58 20_Re: Kids and animals14_hadas laureano20_hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:19:07 -0700634_iso-8859-1 could you please let me know if you had any wonderful experiences in Estes
Park...Id like to take my daughter there one day...and would like to
know...where to go...to stay...to do....did you go to shul there? if so
where....any info would be appreciated......thank you ps...as a single
mom...please just also let me know what areas are safe for us to be
in....thank you Hadas ( to Shoshana Z) pss...Id love to hear about any
other great vacation/learning spots people have traveled to with their
kids......!! mine is a 9 year old girl! thank you
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zohari" [...]42_25Jun200622:19:07-0700hadasl@SBCGLOBAL.NET
7550 52 57_off topicish--bar mitzva planning (and mini tzfat update)14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:45:19 +0200573_us-ascii Dear list,
Since you know by now that I don't believe you have to "learn everything
the hard way" I'd love to ask for some advice.
When you were planning your son's bar mitzva, what did you do that you
were really glad about?
What do you wish you'd done differently?
Any words of advice in general? Things to keep in mind, things to set up
early etc?
People to include in the invitation list?
Anyone ever have a bar mitzvah on two continents? Advice about having
two "events" (I'm pretty sure that my parents will not be able to [...]39_28Jun200605:45:19+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM
7603 26 19_interesting article17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:41:07 -0400634_- Hi. This is a link to an article on the Schwab learning website, which is
geared for parents of kids with learning disabilities. It has helpful
advice and some good thoughts regarding homeschooling kids with learning
issues.
http://www.schwablearning.org/articles.asp?r=1104
Kol tuv,
Rachel
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7630 88 61_Re: off topicish--bar mitzva planning (and mini tzfat update)14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:36:22 -0500591_ISO-8859-1 I have a lot of strong feelings on this one, although I have never
staged a bar mitzva. And my remarks aren't really directed at Laya but
more in general.
For our daughter's bas mitzva, which was last year when Shabbos fell out
erev Pesach, we had the simplest thing imaginable. Even the rabbi
wasn't there (he makes Pesach at a hotel downtown to accomodate people
for the seder). We invited some friends and her friends came. I
davvened and did the leyening. I spoke for maybe 5 minutes about the
parsha and then made some remarks about our daughter [...]49_28Jun200608:36:22-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET
7719 32 61_Re: off topicish--bar mitzva planning (and mini tzfat update)10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET31_Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:33:04 -0700540_iso-8859-1 I'm really glad we kept my son's bar mitzvah simple. I didn't pressure him
at all, so he and his tutor decided how much he could lain. He didn't do
the whole parasha, but he did a great job on the sections he read. We
hosted a full lunch kiddush outdoors in the shul garden for everyone who
came to shul that day - nothing fancy, mostly a lot of nice salads and other
fresh things catered by a young couple, no junk food. With our invited
guests, we had about 120 people total. The lunch was a big success [...]36_28Jun200612:33:04-0700zara@HAIMO.NET
7752 40 17_Inspiration video15_Rachel Gurevich25_rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM31_Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:18:34 +0200139_ISO-8859-1 I really loved this:
http://www.raisingsmallsouls.com/wp-content/themes/179/aschool.html
Hope you enjoy,
Rachel47_30Jun200610:18:34+0200rachel.gurevich@GMAIL.COM
7793 88 28_Free Online Children classes17_Maria Pereverzeva22_maria-p@ROCKETMAIL.COM31_Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:40:11 -0700388_iso-8859-1 Please see below--
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