1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d April 2006 2 24 18_Re: Passover Torah16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM30_Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:05:22 -0500589_us-ascii Hi
The following urls may contain some material of interest for some of you
http://www.Rashiyomi.com/pa.htm
http://www.Rashiyomi.com/thefoursons.pdf

Happy Passover to All
Russell Hendel;

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Have a chag sameach and kasher. I trust the list is so quiet for all the
cleaning.
Sending a wish for smooth going and intentional cleaning and (((hugs)))
to any one who needs/wants them.
Laya

Author of the best loved self help book for teens
"You Don't Have to Learn Everything the Hard Way"
www.AuntLaya.com
http://tinyurl.com/92up5
http://www.auntlaya.blogspot.com/ [...]38_4Apr200608:04:57+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 199 44 17_Re: Chumash Party17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Tue, 4 Apr 2006 09:38:32 -0400516_us-ascii Have been out of the loop for a while, so I know I am weighing in a
bit late on this.. probably too late to make a difference.. but does
your son want to attend the chumash party? I think it was sweet for
them to think of you and invite you.

If you can take a kid to a wedding without telling them they better
be married at 18, and can take a kid to a bar mitzvah without telling
them they have to perform just as well as the particular bar mitzvah
boy, why not take the child [...]37_4Apr200609:38:32-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 244 39 17_yeshiva questions14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:56:32 +0200425_us-ascii Hi all,
Just in case any of you are avoiding cleaning like me by hanging out on
the computer too much, I want to ask questions about finding,
interviewing and other things I don't know how to ask about regarding
yeshiva. I'm also interested in those of you who have sent sons out to
yeshiva how you prepared them for being away-- and even the self defense
part, like how do you talk about it? [...]38_4Apr200618:56:32+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 284 52 21_Re: yeshiva questions14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET30_Tue, 4 Apr 2006 11:47:36 -0500565_iso-8859-1 Hi Laya,

How old is the son you're talking about?

Sarah

"With His pinion He will cover you, and beneath His wings you will be
protected; His truth is shield and armor." Psalms 91:4
>
> We're talking about a "pnimiya" for my son for next year. I still think
> he's too young but considering his nature, it could be the best thing for
> him if it's the right environment.
>
> I'll ask again after Pesach if it's too busy a time right now.
> Thanks in advance,
> Laya
>
>
> Author of the [...]44_4Apr200611:47:36-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 337 26 19_The Jewish Exchange14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:14:47 +0300581_ISO-8859-1 Hope everyone's Pesach Cleaning Avoidance Syndrome is doing well (it's
in the DSMV IV. Really).

Does anyone have the parsha pages from jewishexchange.com saved
somewhere? I went to the website today and it's dead. :(

Thanks!

Malkie

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I have everything! Just tell me what you are specifically looking
for, and I'll e-mail the files to you. Keep in mind that although I
wrote the stories (the adaptations of the stories, that is!! :) I do
not own the copyright to them, so they'd be for your personal use
only and shouldn't go far and wide... (I am looking into reviving
the project as a book. Nothing immediate though -- too many other
things happening right now.) [...]43_5Apr200611:10:45-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 419 48 15_pre Pesach news13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:36:19 -0700501_iso-8859-1 I am delighted to share with you all the news that we are now the happy parents of four boys and three girls! Our tiebreaker baby boy was born today (Thurs) at 2:30 pm. Though we didn't expect him for another two weeks, H-shem's timing is indeed perfect, since I turned my kitchen over and did my Pesach food shopping yesterday! Not only that, but my mother will be coming for Pesach, and will be arriving on Weds. afternoon, in time for his first day of yom tov, Thurs. morning bris! [...]43_6Apr200620:36:19-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 468 29 19_Re: pre Pesach news12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM30_Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:57:43 -0400460_us-ascii Mazel tov, Avivah & family of tiebreaker baby boy! What a special way
to go into Pesach!

I would think that a simple bris would be appreciated by all -- for
food, how about a fruit platter (and/or fruit salad), egg salad, tuna
salad, and raw veggies?

It sounds like you're very organized and in great shape with Pesach
preparations. I hope you'll enjoy a good rest while you get to know
your new baby, and feel good! [...]43_6Apr200623:57:43-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 498 411 19_Re: pre Pesach news15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:13:57 -0400496_US-ASCII Mazel Tov, Mazel tov, Avivah!

You should have lots of nachas from your tie-breaker! Hope all is well, and
that Mommy and baby are healthy and happy.

Chag kasher v'sameach.
Wendy in Miami (still!)

turning over the kitchen as we speak

_____

From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
Avivah Werner
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:36 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] pre Pesach news [...]49_7Apr200600:13:57-0400wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 910 175 19_Re: pre Pesach news14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:15:31 +0200380_iso-8859-1 Siman tov u'mazel tov....!!!
We're singing and dancing with joy and the miraculous news of the
neshamale that came to you in the month of miracles. I guess he really
just wanted to be with you for the seder instead of having to wait a
whole year. Just think about future birthdays though, you'll all eat up
any left over chametz in a big blitz, eh? [...]38_7Apr200609:15:31+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 1086 158 16_AVIVAH MAZEL TOV14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:26:03 -0500383_iso-8859-1 Mazel Tov! What a bracha to have a bris during this time!!

Sarah

"With His pinion He will cover you, and beneath His wings you will be protected; His truth is shield and armor." Psalms 91:4
----- Original Message -----
From: Avivah Werner
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:36 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] pre Pesach news [...]44_7Apr200604:26:03-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 1245 75 19_Re: pre Pesach news19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM28_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:43:03 GMT543_- Mazal Tov Avivah!!!
What a nice suprise to wake up[ too! I'm talking about me, you probably were up the whole night! How was the birth? I hope it was relatively quick! after that suspense, you are probably so happy to have it over with.
Good luck on the bris- maybe Osher can get some stuff from the catering places?? Otherwise, having 10 families is impossible, so maybe check out the singles scene!!! Whatever you decide to do, enjoy all the hullabaloo!
Wishing you a wonderfull pesach and Mazal tov again.
Love,
Malki [...]38_7Apr200613:43:03GMTmalkiadler@JUNO.COM 1321 84 19_Re: pre Pesach news6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:31:32 -0600441_ISO-8859-1 Dear Avivah,

You continue to be an inspiration! Mazal tov!

We also had a Pesach bris with our first baby. Matzah, orange juice,
gefilte fish rolls, egg salad, fruit and veggie platters and fancy
non-gebroks cookies flown in from L.A. (we lived in Salt Lake City, UT at
the time). It was simple and elegant. People really donšt expect much at
this time of year and that helps take some pressure off. [...]41_7Apr200611:31:32-0600najova@EARTHLINK.NET 1406 167 19_Re: pre Pesach news14_Amber Vilensky25_brilliant.adiya@GMAIL.COM30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:08:38 -0400583_ISO-8859-1 Mazel Tov!!

My son's bris was also 1st day yom tov Pesach (just made his upsherin!). And
combined the bris with the day meal (do you really want to do more on a 3
day yom tov anyways???).

Mazel Tov and a happy and healthy Pesach!

Adiya

On 4/6/06, Avivah Werner wrote:
>
> I am delighted to share with you all the news that we are now the happy
> parents of *four* boys and three girls! Our tiebreaker baby boy was born
> today (Thurs) at 2:30 pm. Though we didn't expect him for another two
> [...]46_7Apr200614:08:38-0400brilliant.adiya@GMAIL.COM 1574 27 19_A friendly reminder14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:35:21 -0500399_ISO-8859-1 Hi,
New listowner/moderator here with a friendly reminder. I am busy like
you are with Pesach and trying to open a new retail store, and trying to
get my taxes done.
I know we all wish Avivah a hearty mazal tov with best wishes for the baby.
But if you have personal greetings, please send it to her personally,
not to the list.
Thanks and KT,
Bill Bernstein [...]48_7Apr200613:35:21-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 1602 55 35_thank you, and getting kids to help13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:42:17 -0700377_iso-8859-1 Thank you so much to all of those who took time from their busy schedules to send our family a mazel tov, on and off list - I am very touched. (For those whose message was rejected, I did receive your good wishes!) Thank you also for sharing your experiences regarding making a bris at this time of year - it was helpful to hear different ways of doing things. [...]43_9Apr200618:42:17-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 1658 391 39_Re: thank you, and getting kids to help9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA31_Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:58:10 -0700371_windows-1255 bs"d

Mazel tov to you Avivah, on your new addition. I found your post on getting younger kids to help to be very interesting. You've obviously done a marvelous job of getting your kids to contribute to Pesach cleaning, cooking, etc. as full-fledged partners, as opposed to a forced contribution as unwilling slaves who rebel as soon as possible. [...]39_10Apr200607:58:10-0700OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA 2050 165 24_Re: getting kids to help6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:15:22 -0700478_iso-8859-1 This is certainly an interesting topic. While we do
have our children help - Kinneret is 6.5 and Uri
Amitai is 4 - sometimes it shocks us to discover that
(especially Kinneret) they are capable of doing more
than we thought to ask them. It occured to me one
Motzei Shabbat to ask Kinneret to help dry the
silverware and put them away. Not only did she do it
and do it well, but we had a lovely time chatting
while I washed and she dried. [...]39_10Apr200610:15:22-0700ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 2216 55 24_Re: getting kids to help14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:58:50 -0700362_iso-8859-1 Hi Shayna,

> When is an appropriate time to teach my DD to cut
> veggies? Is it safe to let her use a knife (even
> with supervision) now?
> At what age are doing dishes (and
> knowing that you won't have to re-wash all of them)
> an okay chore? And letting children use cleaning
> supplies is a little frightening, too. [...]45_10Apr200613:58:50-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 2272 61 39_Re: thank you, and getting kids to help15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:07:48 +0300514_windows-1255 Mazal tov to Avivah,
And I had to smile, when I read about her kids washing the walls. My
eldest is now 12 but when he was around 5 he came home from
kindergarten wanting to help me clean (as did his 3 yr old and 2 yr old
sisters). I tried to think of what they could cl;ean that would be fun
an near me so I could supervise and thats what I came up wiuth. Cleaning
the walls. gave then each a squirt bottle and a rag and they sprayed
and cleaned. Foir about three yrs I had [...]43_11Apr200600:07:48+0300stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM 2334 83 10_Relocating14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:04:15 -0500389_iso-8859-1 Hi everyone,

If any of you are near or know of a larger community with Orthodox Shuls and some form of education for children( perhaps Sunday school ), please let me know about it. Out of concern for our children and ourselves, we feel relocating may be in the near future. N.Y isn't really an option right now but I'd love to hear of other communities out there:-) [...]45_11Apr200605:04:15-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 2418 97 24_Re: getting kids to help9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:39:27 -0700545_ISO-8859-1 Just taking a break to read through all your e-mails and I know it may be a
bit late, but there is a fantastic book that is so helpful. It is available
at Amazon.(I checked) My copy is from 1981. It is called 401 Ways to get
your kids to work at home-Houshold tested and proven effective! Techniques,
tips, tricks, and strategies on how to get your kids to share the
housework...and in the process become self-reliant, responsible adults By
Bonnie Runyan Mc Cullough, and Susan Walker Monson
Here is a peek: [...]40_11Apr200606:39:27-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM 2516 127 14_Re: Relocating12_Emily Coplon22_emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:30:34 -0400596_ISO-8859-1 We are in the Western Suburbs of Philadelphia. There are a lot of options
here. I'd be happy to tell you more if you are interested.
Happy and Kosher Pesach.
Warmly,
Emily

On 4/11/06, Mandy Oeschger wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> If any of you are near or know of a larger community with Orthodox Shuls
> and some form of education for children( perhaps Sunday school ), please let
> me know about it. Out of concern for our children and ourselves, we feel
> relocating may be in the near future. N.Y isn't really an [...]44_11Apr200611:30:34-0400emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM 2644 150 14_Re: Relocating0_21_YiddisheMameh@AOL.COM29_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:41:49 EDT505_US-ASCII On 4/11/06, Mandy Oeschger <_sailorswife@knology.net_
(mailto:sailorswife@knology.net) > wrote:

Hi everyone,

If any of you are near or know of a larger community with Orthodox Shuls
and some form of education for children( perhaps Sunday school ), please let
me know about it. Out of concern for our children and ourselves, we feel
relocating may be in the near future. N.Y isn't really an option right now but
I'd love to hear of other communities out there:-) [...]41_11Apr200611:41:49EDTYiddisheMameh@AOL.COM 2795 162 14_Re: Relocating10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM31_Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:33:43 -0400713_us-ascii Sarah,

We are in the Atlanta area. It has one of the nicest Orthodox communities
I've seen. Contact me off-line if you want to know more.

Larry Beck
larry at beckforce.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
Mandy Oeschger
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:04 AM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] Relocating

Hi everyone,

If any of you are near or know of a larger community with Orthodox Shuls
and some form of education for children( perhaps Sunday school ), please let
me know about it. Out of concern for our children and ourselves, we feel
relocating may [...]41_11Apr200623:33:43-0400larry@BECKFORCE.COM 2958 45 15_Re: relocating?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:18:45 EDT553_US-ASCII Mandy/Sarah:
Check the archives for many posts I have written in the past on Baltimore. I
am a major cheerleader for the community here.

Rena (in Baltimore)

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If any of you have info. about living in or are near Jerusalem, could you please contact me offline as I don't think my questions would be relavent to the group. Thanks so much!

Sarah

"With His pinion He will cover you, and beneath His wings you will be protected; His truth is shield and armor." Psalms 91:4 [...]45_16Apr200619:27:33-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 3158 100 21_Re: another new baby!17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:04:20 -0400602_us-ascii Mazal Tov, Ellen, to you and to your family.
Hope you are getting lots of extra help this yom tov...
May you raise your daughter to Torah, to the chuppah, and to ma'asim tovim.
Chana

>Except we weren't as "together" as Avivah--our kitchen was not
>turned over by the time our new baby daughter arrived on Friday
>night/Shabbbat Hagadol! She was born in a home waterbirth attended
>by her big sisters. She weighs 7 lbs. 9 ozs, and, as you can tell,
>she has not been named yet!
>
>Wishing everyone a chag kasher v'sameach,
>
>Ellen in Boston
>in [...]38_18Apr200609:04:20-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 3259 21 25_Washington D.C.networking20_[Jennifer Ricciardi]30_jennifer.ricciardi@US.ARMY.MIL31_Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:06:28 -0400630_us-ascii I am interested in finding other Jewish homeschool families in the metro D.C. area to get together with for playdates/trips/Judaism sessions, etc.

We are in Northern Virginia, Fairfax County and HSing a 9y.o. boy. If anyone else is out here please email and I'd be happy to coordinate! Shalom, Jennifer

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homeschooling a 10 year old boy, 8 year old boy and 5 year old girl.

Nechama

>I am interested in finding other Jewish homeschool families in the
>metro D.C. area to get together with for playdates/trips/Judaism
>sessions, etc.
>
>We are in Northern Virginia, Fairfax County and HSing a 9y.o. boy.
>If anyone else is out here please email and I'd be happy to
>coordinate! Shalom, Jennifer
>
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>a service of Hebrew College, [...]42_18Apr200614:44:21-0400nechama@BOREALIS.COM 3324 313 21_Re: another new baby!11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:09 -0400272_US-ASCII I am curious how you teach your 10.5 year old and have a 3 year old. I have
a 14 year old girl and a 3 year old boy. He demands so much time and the 14
year old girl tries to get out of doing school anyway she can. Can you give
me some suggestions? [...]42_24Apr200612:36:09-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 3638 143 29_a tool to help keep kids safe14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:45:07 +0200468_us-ascii Hi list, I thought this link is worth passing on. The website also has
lots of other information on keeping kids safe. There is a link on the
home page for quizes that kids and teens can take about safety--and
safety lists for parents and kids. Don't take if for granted that just
because you talked to your kid about this even ten times that they've got
it; they need to be reminded constantly. These are good reviews for
parents too! [...]39_25Apr200604:45:07+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 3782 63 30_Re: occupying younger children13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:27:04 -0700561_iso-8859-1 Since you addressed your question to Ellen, I'm going to let her answer how she organizes her time with younger and older children. But I wanted to respond to the point about your 14 yod trying to get out of doing "school".

A 14 yo, in my opinion, is capable of doing a lot of learning independently, and I wouldn't look at the three year old as the issue as much as needing to help your older daughter "own" her homeschooling experience. (After all, three year olds don't demand non stop attention, and can play quietly on their own for [...]44_25Apr200608:27:04-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 3846 179 30_Re: occupying younger children16_ZagorskyGoldberg28_zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:18 -0400495_iso-8859-1 Hi Amy,

Thank you, Avivah, for writing--I definitely agree with so much of what you wrote! (And I love your son's name! What a special pre-Pesach baby!)

Now, for the random thoughts of the sleep-deprived:

First off, I can't specifically focus on the 10.5 y/o and 3.5 y/o issues b/c my oldest is out this year at day school for the first time. But, heck, the 8.5 y/o is still home, and last year's issues of having a 9.5 y/o and a 2.5 y/o are still relevant! [...]50_25Apr200621:37:18-0400zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET 4026 48 28_100 Websites on the HOlocast16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:26:06 -0400370_us-ascii http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-holoc.htm

Russell

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my e-mails and don't know if it got lost or it wasn't acceptable.
I am curious to know what happened. If it was just lost, you can post it,
and if it wasn't acceptable, I'd just like to know.
Beth [...]40_25Apr200622:42:50-0700malikids@GMAIL.COM 4375 34 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:09:57 -0400318_- At first I was happy to see so few registered offenders living nearby, but
then I was horrified to see a family aquaintence (frum man, active in the
community) listed! I'm still in shock and trying to think of how to handle
this information.

I urge everyone to check it out as soon as possible! [...]50_26Apr200608:09:57-0400rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM 4410 33 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:34:27 -0400549_US-ASCII Rachel,
Sadly, I had the same experience. I was SHOCKED, to say the least...the
first name on the list was a very "balabatish" man in the community. B"H,
there were no other names I recognized, but there were 487 in my area!
Can't wait to move...
Wendy in Miami

At first I was happy to see so few registered offenders living nearby, but
then I was horrified to see a family aquaintence (frum man, active in the
community) listed! I'm still in shock and trying to think of how to handle
this information. [...]50_26Apr200610:34:27-0400wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4444 73 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe14_Jay F Shachter16_jay@M5.CHI.IL.US31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:50:04 -0600334_iso-8859-1 Someone recently wrote on this mailing list:

>
> Sadly, I had the same experience. I was SHOCKED, to say the least...the
> first name on the list was a very "balabatish" man in the community. B"H,
> there were no other names I recognized, but there were 487 in my area!
> Can't wait to move...
> [...]38_26Apr200620:50:04-0600jay@M5.CHI.IL.US 4518 94 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:30:45 -0500579_ISO-8859-1 First let me apologize publicly to Mr Shachter: I ignored or forgot
about Leviticus 19:14.
Second I would mention that while certain acts are not forbidden by the
Torah and are forbidden by secular law, there is no obligation in the
Torah, to my knowledge, to have relations with, e.g. a 16 year old girl,
or a 13 year old one for that matter.
Third, I am not sure what a "trivial sex crime" which one would be
charged and convicted of might look like. Certainly not much like the
ones listed in the public directories. If Mr. Shachter is [...]49_26Apr200621:30:45-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4613 90 17_dan l'chaf zechus15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:38:59 -0400388_US-ASCII Hi, Yaakov.
I maintain that I was shocked to see this individual, whose family I know
fairly well, on the registry. His wife of 32 years was 19 at the time of
their marriage, and is neither his cousin nor his niece. I am more than
willing to be dan l'chaf zechus, which does not mitigate the fact that I was
astonished to see his name at the top of the list. [...]50_26Apr200622:38:59-0400wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4704 25 21_Re: dan l'chaf zechus10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:16:51 -0700568_iso-8859-1 The son of some frum neighbors is now serving a long sentence for soliciting
what he thought was a young girl on the Internet (it was a cop) or he'd be
on the list too for his many prior offenses. There are several non-Jewish
offenders in our neighborhood too including one who lives right across the
street from our old house. When I first found him on one of the registries,
I repeated my warnings to my kids about going into neighbors' yards or
houses for any reason unless I knew and approved each specific time - too
bad that [...]36_26Apr200623:16:51-0700zara@HAIMO.NET 4730 55 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:45:57 -0400386_us-ascii We all assume it is very difficult to be falsely accused-- and
convicted-- of a crime.

Most of us assume it is hard to be convicted of a sex crime against
children, since the children are young, hesitant to testify, etc. And
indeed, there are too many perpetrators walking free because of the
difficulty of getting reliable testimony in a court of law. [...]38_27Apr200607:45:57-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 4786 42 21_Re: SexCrime Registry16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:13:37 -0400474_us-ascii Jay of course has some points. But I dont see the need to get so
emotional. Jay certainly is aware that some people in the sex registry
ARE serious offenders whom we should keep our children away from.

I remind Jay that we fast on the 3rd of Tishray precisely because
Gedalyah REFUSED TO TAKE ANY ACTION WHEN HE WAS TOLD OF AN ASSASINATION
PLOT (The proper route was to be cautious but not to accept the slander).
We fast for this error. [...]39_26Apr200623:13:37-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM 4829 44 21_Re: SexCrime Registry6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:13:44 -0700514_iso-8859-1 Please don't assume that sexual offenses only include
girls. We should be careful about all of our
children, regardless of gender, in these cases.

ITA that at a minimum, caution is OUR RESPONSIBILITY
as parents.

~Shayna S in Chicago
afterschooling Kinneret, 6.5yo

BTW, I DID marry my cousin in the state in of Illinois
- although the situation is a bit different. Legally,
we aren't cousins (he was adopted out of my family),
so legally we can be married. [...]39_27Apr200608:13:44-0700ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 4874 25 25_Re: Bill's apology to Jay16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:15:23 -0400389_us-ascii As per my other email on this subject, I dont think apologies are needed
or warranted. Jay stated one side of a two sided coin. I would like to
see this discussed objectively. I think somepeople in this list are in
rural areas and it is very important for them to know how to use such
lists. We should never apologize for thinking out loud on an email
message [...]39_26Apr200623:15:23-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM 4900 63 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:50:42 -0400457_- Jay F Shachter wrote:

>If you are shocked, then you have forgot, or are ignoring, the Torah's
>commandment in Leviticus 19:15.

Firstly, I feel the need to say that although a person's tone of voice is
difficult to determine through the medium of email, I would caution that
this "sounds" like flaming to me, which I don't think is appropriate for a
Torahdik list. Accusing someone of "ignoring" the Torah is not called for. [...]50_27Apr200608:50:42-0400rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM 4964 95 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:33:49 +0200545_us-ascii Another tool we have to keep kids and adults safe are the laws of yichud
(seclusion). I have not studied these laws well, only generally and not
in the nuances. Using these laws to guide us, we have a better chance of
keeping kids safe. Also the laws of shomer negiah.

By the way, I want to stress (as Shayna did and others before on this
list) that we are not only trying to keep our girls safe, but also our
boys. I just got an email from a woman who works in the Jerusalem with
some terrible details of [...]39_27Apr200621:33:49+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 5060 49 35_ot: Weston Price nutrition question13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:45:26 -0700359_iso-8859-1 I am posting this question with the hope that those of you who subscribe to the WAPF approach will have a suggestion for me. It was on this list that I became aware of alot of nutritional info that I hadn't previously been exposed to (thanks, Caryn!), and we have made a number of changes that are in line with Weston Price's recommendations. [...]44_27Apr200612:45:26-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 5110 173 20_Re: ot:cod liver oil14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:08:13 -0500585_iso-8859-1 Avivah,

http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/stores_app/Browse_dept_items.asp?Search_Text=FISH+OIL has great fish oil but it's not exactly cod liver oil. Maybe it would be something to consider if you can't find what you're looking for?

Sarah

"With His pinion He will cover you, and beneath His wings you will be protected; His truth is shield and armor." Psalms 91:4
----- Original Message -----
From: Avivah Werner
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] ot: Weston Price nutrition question [...]45_27Apr200615:08:13-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 5284 180 39_Re: ot: Weston Price nutrition question9_Dr. Swift26_drswift@THERIGHTREMEDY.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:53:19 -0400481_iso-8859-1 Avivah,

I have searched thoroughly several times for kosher cod liver oil (including
having a friend in Eretz Yisrael look) to no avail. There is a company
called Nutri-supreme, I think, that does a number of kosher fish oil items
and said they were interested in doing CLO at some point.

regards
Russell Swift, DVM
Holistic Practitioner
ph 561-391-5615 fax 888-252-9855
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com [...]48_27Apr200619:53:19-0400drswift@THERIGHTREMEDY.COM 5465 44 42_Statistical reflections on Offenders lists16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:45:33 -0400554_us-ascii Rachel brings up two points
"but trafficking in child pornography is not trivial to me."
"how can sex with a thirteen year old niece be appropriate? " (Jay, she
does have a point)

What I want to add to Rachel is a precise STATISTICAL STATEMENT of why we
should be cautious.

What percent of 20 year olds who have sex with 20 year old are in to teen
or child porn--say some %--say X%. Similarly the percent of 25 years old
who have sex with 20+ year olds who are in to teen or child porn is still
about X%. [...]39_27Apr200620:45:33-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM 5510 164 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:38:43 -0400386_us-ascii Laya brings up a very subtle halachic point. The Rambam at the end of the
laws of Forbidden Intercourse goes out of his way to single out Yichud
(locked inaccessible privacy) as "the great determinant" of sin.So if you
have to emphasize one thing it should be that.

On a more amusing note does anyone know the famous Bathroom enactment of
Ezra Hasofer. [...]39_27Apr200620:38:43-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM 5675 204 39_Re: ot: Weston Price nutrition question14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:04:12 +0200518_us-ascii Hi Aviva, I was told by the va'ad haKashrus of Denver that if you swallow
a pill, it does not count as food, only if you chew it. i.e., if you
swallow it, then it does not even need a hechsher. I know there are a
lot of levels of kashrus observance and people won't hold by that, but
the rav that taught me that is a satmar chasid who's profession is the
halacha of kashrus. If you chew it (like a chewable vitamin c or
children's tablet) then it counts like food and needs a hechsher. [...]39_28Apr200607:04:12+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 5880 37 33_Re: a tool to help keep kids safe11_Nechama Cox20_nechama@BOREALIS.COM31_Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:11:02 -0400561_iso-8859-1 Laya

>Another tool we have to keep kids and adults safe are the laws of
>yichud (seclusion). I have not studied these laws well, only
>generally and not in the nuances.  Using these laws to guide us, we
>have a better chance of keeping kids safe. Also the laws of shomer
>negiah.
>

If I can point out, these hallachas are only relevant between men and
women, and would have no protection against an older man preying on a
boy. Neither negiah nor yichud would be violated, in such a case, may
it not happen! [...]42_28Apr200600:11:02-0400nechama@BOREALIS.COM 5918 102 13_Re: offenders0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:26:03 EDT581_US-ASCII I think that by this time, a lot of good points have been made about not
being complacent about child safety, being vigilant, etc.

As far as biblical injunctions, vayikrah, etc goes, I heard this particular
"spin" on this by my dad, A"H.

He asked this question: Why is it, that on the HOLIEST day of the year, on
Yom Kippur, when we emulate angels by not eating, not drinking, wearing white
clothes and standing in prayer on that day, why is it on that day specifically,
that we publicly proclaim and explain about illicit relationships? [...]37_28Apr200609:26:03EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM