1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d February 2006 2 43 17_Re: New Listowner11_Susan Lapin20_suelap@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:59:49 -0800738_us-ascii Bill,

Congratulations! Actually, perhaps congratulations to the rest of us and
thanks to you is a more appropriate sentiment.

Susan

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Since Bill has outed himself, I would just like to announce that he has
graciously accepted the responsibility of taking over ownership of
torch-d. As you know, I have been looking for someone to assume that
role, as I have taken on other projects that require my time and
attention. Bill has been familiarizing himself with [...]42_31Jan200620:59:49-0800suelap@EARTHLINK.NET 46 24 20_Jewish software sale14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:24:41 +0200567_us-ascii http://www.jewishsoftware.com/specials/invclear10.asp

there is a clearace sale on some Jewish software at the above link. Torah
tots to Mishna to typing programs (Hebrew fonts too), there's a wide
variety of things.
enjoy,
Laya

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Two great sites with loads of links for Tu Bishvat. Great for
h-schooling.
http://www.j.co.il

http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-hdaytu.htm

Russell;

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Thanks so much!
Shabbat Shalom,
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too. As a ba'al tshuva, I need all the help I can get davening, so this
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Laya
In Israel where all the grocery stores are filling up with every kind of
fresh and dried fruit for Tu B'shvat [...]38_3Feb200608:40:52+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 166 63 25_Mystical Tu B'Shvat Seder6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 4 Feb 2006 21:17:52 -0700615_US-ASCII Here is a great link for Tu B'Shvat, including mystical insights.

http://www.kabbalaonline.org/Holydays/tubishvat/Tu_BShevat_Basics.asp

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To unsubscribe email: TORCH-D-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG41_4Feb200621:17:52-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 230 56 27_phone no. for Rabbi Juravel13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:22:43 -0800311_iso-8859-1 Hi, Laya,

I haven't ordered cassettes from Rabbi Juravel in several years, since I ordered all the cassettes he had at one time. But if the number that I used is still accurate, it is 908-901-4422 or 1-800-686-3486. At that time, his nephew in Lakewood was taking care of all the orders. [...]43_5Feb200610:22:43-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 287 46 19_visiting Sharon, MA13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:34:01 -0800457_iso-8859-1 My 11 year old daughter will be leaving tomorrow (Sun.) for a week's trip to Maine, for a dogsledding trip. On the way home, she will be staying in Sharon, MA for the coming Shabbos/ motzai Shabbos. If there are any of you in the area who have daughters around that age who would like to get to get together with her then, feel free to email me offlist and I will let you know the name/number/address of the family she will be staying with. [...]44_11Feb200617:34:01-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 334 40 23_Re: visiting Sharon, MA12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:10:01 -0500595_us-ascii Hi Avivah,

My daughter Chavi would love to meet your daughter (they know each
other from the Yaldah editorial board) -- I'm not sure yet whether
she will be home that Shabbos, though. Any chance of your daughter
staying in Sharon an extra couple of days?

Yael

>My 11 year old daughter will be leaving tomorrow (Sun.) for a week's
>trip to Maine, for a dogsledding trip. On the way home, she will be
>staying in Sharon, MA for the coming Shabbos/ motzai Shabbos. If
>there are any of you in the area who have daughters around that age
>who [...]44_12Feb200600:10:01-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 375 61 23_Re: visiting Sharon, MA14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:08:28 -0500499_iso-8859-1 My daughter Leah would also love to meet your daughter. (Yaldah editor) She may be in NY that shabbos. I hope we can work something out.
Evelyn
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last week, as I am in the process of placing my first
order. The phone number is 732-901-4422 or
800-686-3486.

Harry
(Los Angeles)

> From: Laya B Jackson
> Subject: Rabbi Juravel
>
> Does anyone have a phone number for ordering the
> Rabbi Juravel tapes?
> Thanks so much!
> Shabbat Shalom,
> Laya
>
> [...]43_12Feb200622:40:33-0800harrybroome@YAHOO.COM 542 43 17_tzedakah projects12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:48:16 -0500423_us-ascii Hello everyone,

I'm hoping some of you will have some ideas to contribute for the
upcoming issue of Natural Jewish Parenting, on either or both of the
following (related) topics:

- What are some tzedakah projects you have been involved with *as a
family*? (Or what are some tzedakah projects you have thought about
doing, or have heard of other people doing, or plan to do someday?) [...]44_13Feb200601:48:16-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 586 136 21_Re: tzedakah projects12_Emily Coplon22_emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:39:00 -0500561_ISO-8859-1 Hi Yael,
I definitely think you should check out The Jewish Relief Agency in
Philadelphia. I'd be happy to put you in touch with the woman who heads it.
It is a Lubavitch program that delivers boxes of food to families in need.
The first part is a warehouse assembly line. The boxes come down the line
and people put in the designated number of cans, boxes or bags of food
items. Even very young children can really be helpful. At 3, one son was
tossing pasta in the boxes as they went by. My 5 year old collected empty
[...]44_13Feb200608:39:00-0500emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM 723 74 21_Re: tzedakah projects15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:49:10 -0500407_US-ASCII Hi, Yael.
Some of the projects my kids (and my students, when I taught in the
yeshivah) have done include:
--making a patchwork quilt for Chai Lifeline and for a local Jewish Adoption
agency
--decorating pillowcases (good morning/good night theme) for campers at Camp
Simcha
--decorating planters and planting seeds in them, then donating them to a
local nursing home. [...]50_13Feb200609:49:10-0500wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 798 41 21_Re: tzedakah projects12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:59:09 -0500609_us-ascii Thank you, Emily! I will definitely get more information about this
agency and similar organizations in other cities. It is great that
your children have been involved in this.

Yael

>Hi Yael,
>I definitely think you should check out The Jewish Relief Agency in
>Philadelphia. I'd be happy to put you in touch with the woman who
>heads it. It is a Lubavitch program that delivers boxes of food to
>families in need. The first part is a warehouse assembly line. The
>boxes come down the line and people put in the designated number of
>cans, boxes or bags of [...]44_13Feb200609:59:09-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 840 62 12_Introduction6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:47:26 -0800440_iso-8859-1 Hi all,

I wanted to introduce myself and my family. We are
currently a family of four, B"H expecting #3 at the
end of May. Our eldest, my DD is 6yo and in 1st
grade; we don't exclusively homeschool, but currently
afterschool her. We do plan and work through
curriculum - really, we look at school as more of a
supplement to what we at home than the idea that we
somehow "supplement" her at home. [...]39_13Feb200612:47:26-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 903 193 16_Re: Introduction14_Chaya Phillips27_callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:02:05 -0500640_iso-8859-1 Welcome, and what part of the world do you reside in? I am in Florida.
Chaya Phillips
Ima to Danielle, Yehuda, Elisheva and Chana Rivka
----- Original Message -----
From: Shayna
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:47 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] Introduction

Hi all,

I wanted to introduce myself and my family. We are
currently a family of four, B"H expecting #3 at the
end of May. Our eldest, my DD is 6yo and in 1st
grade; we don't exclusively homeschool, but currently
afterschool her. We do plan and work through
curriculum - really, we look at school as [...]49_13Feb200617:02:05-0500callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET 1097 128 16_Re: Introduction6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:54:15 -0800635_iso-8859-1 We are currently in Chicago, although we do expect to
be moving in about 1.5 years.

Shayna S.

--- Chaya Phillips
wrote:

> Welcome, and what part of the world do you reside
> in? I am in Florida.
> Chaya Phillips
> Ima to Danielle, Yehuda, Elisheva and Chana Rivka
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shayna
> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 3:47 PM
> Subject: [TORCH-D] Introduction
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wanted to introduce myself and my family. We
> are
> currently a family of four, B"H [...]39_13Feb200616:54:15-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 1226 30 21_Re: tzedakah projects16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:29:48 -0500407_us-ascii Yael do not belittle the obvious. Under Jewish law raising children over
6 **is** Tzedakah (Mandatory Tzedakah but Biblically Tzedakah just the
same...there is no obligation for the parents (biblically) to raise their
children past 6).

American law partially recognizes this: I cant take off raising children
as a charitable deduction but it is a deduction in itsown right. [...]39_13Feb200622:29:48-0500rjhendel@JUNO.COM 1257 29 16_Re: Introduction16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:37:40 -0500413_us-ascii Shayna
Welcome. We hope you receive and give.
You asked for "questions"---where do you live and what is your last name.

My claim to fame on this list (among other things) is my Rashi
website..(URL below)
I originally started out hschooling 5-7 year olds in Rashi...produced
about 400 sheets--decided to have a website. There is stuff for everyone
there but you have to look [...]39_13Feb200622:37:40-0500rjhendel@JUNO.COM 1287 46 20_Rav Juravel's number12_Harry Broome21_harrybroome@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 00:09:58 -0800522_iso-8859-1 I'm sorry - I'm a little out of shape here - haven't
posted in a while, and forgot to change the subject
line when I wrote below, so whoever was looking for
Rav Juravel's number for ordering tapes may have
skipped my message.

I saw that Avivah replied last week with the same
number I gave below but with a 908 area code. I
believe they split the 908 code some time ago. The
number below is correct (732 area code) - I spoke with
someone at that number a couple of days ago. [...]43_14Feb200600:09:58-0800harrybroome@YAHOO.COM 1334 45 5_Rashi14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:27:57 -0600721_iso-8859-1 Russel,

How do you suggest beginning Rashi with a five year old??

Thanks,
Sarah

>
> My claim to fame on this list (among other things) is my Rashi
> website..(URL below)
> I originally started out hschooling 5-7 year olds in Rashi...produced
> about 400 sheets--decided to have a website. There is stuff for everyone
> there but you have to look
>
> Welcome
> Russell Jay Hendel; http://www.rashiyomi.com
>
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> [...]45_14Feb200607:27:57-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 1380 65 16_Re: Introduction6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:24:31 -0800653_iso-8859-1 Chicago, and Shayna Sheinfeld.

We, too, have a website, although it's mostly used for
pix of the kids (I update their areas more than mine
or DH's): http://www.sheinfeld.net

Nothing quite so extensive as yours! Yasher Koach!

~Shayna in Chicago

--- Russell J Hendel wrote:

> Shayna
> Welcome. We hope you receive and give.
> You asked for "questions"---where do you live and
> what is your last name.
>
> My claim to fame on this list (among other things)
> is my Rashi
> website..(URL below)
> I originally started out hschooling 5-7 year olds in
> [...]39_14Feb200606:24:31-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 1446 59 24_Re: Another Introduction12_Little Bears21_littlebears@TESCO.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:23:06 -0000547_iso-8859-1 Hello
I'm also new here. My name is Sharon, I'm in the UK. I have been
homeschooling for around about 5+ years. I have 4 children, ages 10, almost
6, 4 and 2 (Boy, girl, boy, boy).

I am not affiliated at all (the closest synagogue to where I am is
Reformed). In actual fact, I am not sure that I would actually be counted as
a Jew in the strictest sense (yet) since my only claim to Jewish heritage is
that my Grandfather was supposed to be Jewish (I know nothing of his family,
other than that he lost [...]43_14Feb200613:23:06-0000littlebears@TESCO.NET 1506 94 11_H.S Diploma14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:46 -0600339_iso-8859-1 Do you know of a curriculum ( other than Abeka ) where a child can earn a diploma? Abeka is great for the reading and writing cursive but it seems advanced for my soon to be five year old ( we're doing K5 now ). In the higher grades xianiaty becomes part of the prerequisites for graduating if I'm understanding correctly. [...]45_14Feb200609:30:46-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 1601 30 15_Re: H.S Diploma15_Joan Q Horowitz18_joanqh@CHESSKA.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:02:32 -0700500_us-ascii Mandy wrote:
> Do you know of a curriculum ( other than Abeka ) where a child can
> earn a diploma?

There are a number of online high schools, mostly run by universities,
which offer diplomas. And my children have used American School, which is a
correspondence school that runs entirely through snail mail. For the online
schools, just do a web search and you'll find plenty of options. The
American School web site is:
http://www.americanschoolofcorr.com/ [...]40_14Feb200609:02:32-0700joanqh@CHESSKA.COM 1632 83 15_Re: H.S Diploma14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:24:30 -0500584_iso-8859-1 Hi Mandy,
Are you talking about the high school diploma for your five year old? If so, you have plenty of time. You don't have to sign up with an "official" school until he is actually entering 9th grade. What are you trying to keep up with? Cursive writing is not appropriate for a five year old boy. Why not follow his interests and use unit studies such as dinosaurs, trees, Abraham Lincoln, China etc. Have you read Charlotte Mason? Her approach may work for you. How about lots and lots of reading together, phonic instruction, math manipulatives, and science [...]40_14Feb200611:24:30-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 1716 56 15_Re: H.S Diploma14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:30:57 -0600648_iso-8859-1 OH, thanks so much Joan.. You made me feel so much better! I didn't
realize there were options like American School :-) Phew.. I can breathe
now :-)

Sarah

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Q Horowitz"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] H.S Diploma

> Mandy wrote:
>> Do you know of a curriculum ( other than Abeka ) where a child can
>> earn a diploma?
>
> There are a number of online high schools, mostly run by universities,
> which offer diplomas. And my children have used American School, [...]45_14Feb200610:30:57-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 1773 125 15_Re: H.S Diploma17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:22:27 -0500475_us-ascii Sarah, if your son is not yet five, why limit your option by
worrying about HS programs now?

When your son is in sixth or seventh grade, you can check and see if
there are "holes" you want to plug based on the HS program you want
to enter. One does not need to commit to a particular high school
until ninth grade
Meanwhile, I would simply look for a curriculum to follow that you
found challenging, interesting, and workable.
Chana [...]38_14Feb200611:22:27-0500cs32@CORNELL.EDU 1899 37 21_Re: tzedakah projects12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:55:20 -0500690_us-ascii Russell,

This is a very interesting perspective! Thank you!

Yael

>Yael do not belittle the obvious. Under Jewish law raising children over
>6 **is** Tzedakah (Mandatory Tzedakah but Biblically Tzedakah just the
>same...there is no obligation for the parents (biblically) to raise their
>children past 6).
>
>American law partially recognizes this: I cant take off raising children
>as a charitable deduction but it is a deduction in itsown right.
>
>Too often we look for the non-obvious and thrills! But just helping out
>raising the children **is** bona-fide Tzedakah. I would use this for a
>"starter"--point out how easy [...]44_14Feb200611:55:20-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 1937 189 15_Re: H.S Diploma14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:41:53 -0600543_iso-8859-1 Hi Evelyn,

Yes, I was talking about my five year old, I thought one should be a part of a certain curriculum before high school but guess I was wrong, I'm glad for that :-) He does well with the cursive, he has asked to begin learning Rashi script ( at least the letters ) not necessarily reading it :-) I heard schools in South Florida use the Abeka cursive for K5 so thought I'd give it a try. Thanks for the resources, Oak Meadow looked good. I haven't read anything as far as Charlotte Mason until you mentioned it, [...]45_14Feb200611:41:53-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 2127 100 15_Re: H.S Diploma13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:06 -0800391_iso-8859-1 Hi, Sarah,

Some thoughts on your comments/questions:

>> Well, I'm pulling my hair out here to try and "keep up". <<

Do you mean you are struggling to keep up the pace that is set by the curriculum you are currently using? Think about what YOUR goals are, and then only worry about keeping up with those, assuming they are reasonable and age appropriate. [...]44_14Feb200609:59:06-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2228 60 17_hsing gifted kids13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:25:11 -0800411_iso-8859-1 The current thread has brought to mind some recent observations of homeschooling parents of gifted kids. I have been bothered by how many parents of these kids seem to be overly emotionally invested in their advancedness. I'm not referring to anyone on this list, who I don't know well enough, but what I have observed around me in the last three years, particularly this current academic year. [...]44_14Feb200612:25:11-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2289 115 15_Re: H.S Diploma6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:32:47 -0700690_US-ASCII Dear Sarah,

One of the most important books I read when I started out on this
homeschooling adventure was "The Successful Family Homeschool Handbook."
(Thank you Tamar for giving that to me because it has influenced me
profoundly!) Here is the link if you would like to buy it from the
published on-line:

http://www.moorefoundation.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/576

It speaks to readiness signs, burnout, realistic expectations, etc. I love
it and still frequently refer to it when I start to feel that doubt creeping
in. There are many excellent, gentle resources on this site and it is easy
to just avoid the xian stuff. [...]42_14Feb200613:32:47-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 2405 50 21_Re: hsing gifted kids6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:46:07 -0700612_US-ASCII All of this was very well stated (as always Avivah!). It seems to be a fact
of human nature that people with holes in their own self-esteem will use
their children's (perceived) successes and abilities to fill those holes.

The other day husband and I were discussing the "hurry-up-and-wait" syndrome
so rampant in schools. Curriculums are designed to push academics hard in
the early grades. Then by the time kids are about ten years old, there is a
gap of 3-5 years where there is nothing left to learn. They've already
tackled material that would have best been left for [...]42_14Feb200613:46:07-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 2456 290 15_Re: H.S Diploma9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:06:43 -0800576_windows-1255 bs"d

Sarah,

Nothing is set in stone at this age. Come to that, kids can move around back and forth between homeschooling and public school and day school during the high school years and still graduate just fine. Two of my grown kids did various permutations and both graduated. (The eldest went from day school to public school to dropping out and has a very good job in the computer industry nowadays, which all goes to show that a diploma is not always the be all, end all. School just wasn't a good fit for him and homeschooling would have [...]39_14Feb200614:06:43-0800OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA 2747 61 9_Thank you14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:36:00 -0600447_iso-8859-1 Todah, todah.. Thank you, thank you :-) To all who responded to my concerns.. you have been helpful!

All the best,
Sarah

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great (so big!).

Welcome to the other new members, too (even the ones I haven't met in real
life!). This is a lovely list, and a very helpful place to get info about
homeschooling.

Ellen in Boston
in our sixth year of homeschooling
mama to three great girls (ages 10, 8, and 3) and ??? due around Pesach [...]50_14Feb200623:01:06-0500zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET 2837 35 11_high school15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:53:01 -0700604_- In addition to American School, I believe University of Nebraska has a high
school degree program too. I only attended high school two hours a day as
I was on a professional track for ballet (ended up at Joffrey). I finished
with a combination of night extension classes, summer school, and
correspondence.

With a five year old, please relax and enjoy yourselves. It really is true
that pushing leads often to resentment. I'm currently retooling my approach
with my 11 year old boy. I have been sliding into too much book work
lately. We're taking a few weeks off soon [...]47_14Feb200622:53:01-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 2873 27 25_Re: high school chemistry15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:22:30 +0200448_ISO-8859-1 Hi
Can anyone reccomend a good chemistry book which I could use to teach my
seventh grader chemistry (and refresh my memory). He does regular
scvhooling but has been interested in chemistry for a few years now, but
finally asked if I would teach it to him (after school)
Thanks
Ilana Michelson
PS as I live in Israel it would have to be something I could order I
assume (although I could order it to the US) [...]43_15Feb200611:22:30+0200stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM 2901 218 20_Purim and Lapbooking12_Little Bears21_littlebears@TESCO.NET31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:04:52 -0000468_Windows-1252 Does anyone here do lapbooking?

We are very ecclectic in our methods of homeschooling, using lots of different books from different sources. We generally study projects, and make lapbooks for those projects which the children become most interested in.
I was thinking about making a Purim lapbook in between now and March, as a way of learning about the festival in advance. (This will be only the second time of celebrating Purim for us). [...]43_15Feb200601:04:52-0000littlebears@TESCO.NET 3120 187 27_Re: homeschool high school?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:56:39 EST533_US-ASCII Mandy/Sarah:
I am on digest, so I get posts a bit later than some on this list.

Having graduated a home school high schooler, I have to say that there are as
many ways to do this as there are to home school. Over our high school years,
it took me a bit of time to figure out exactly how to homeschool for high
school: what is the process, what is out there, what would work for my son, and
what matched his goals, allowing HIM to have a lot of say in what his academic
program would look like, [...]37_15Feb200608:56:39ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 3308 63 13_My name is...14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:03 -0600564_iso-8859-1 Sorry for the confusion I may have caused by starting to use my Hebrew name more freely. My mother liked Barry Manilo hence the name "Mandy".. :-l My friends use my Hebrew name "Sarah" and in all other relationships I use "Mandy". :-)

Sarah

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Mandy Oeschger wrote:

> Sorry for the confusion I may have caused by starting to use my
> Hebrew name more freely. My mother liked Barry Manilo hence the name
> "Mandy".. :-l My friends use my Hebrew name "Sarah" and in all
> other relationships I use "Mandy". :-)
>
>
> Sarah
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> To unsubscribe email [...]49_15Feb200609:06:28-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 3412 32 25_Re: high school chemistry15_Joan Q Horowitz18_joanqh@CHESSKA.COM31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:56:12 -0700614_us-ascii Ilana Michelson wrote:
>Can anyone reccomend a good chemistry book which I could use to teach my
>seventh grader chemistry (and refresh my memory). He does regular
>scvhooling but has been interested in chemistry for a few years now, but
>finally asked if I would teach it to him (after school)

I have never actually seen these course materials, but they have come
highly recommended. The writers are homeschooling parents and would
probably be willing to correspond with you to see whether the course fits
your needs:
http://www.friendlychemistry.com/introduction.htm [...]40_15Feb200608:56:12-0700joanqh@CHESSKA.COM 3445 64 16_Re: Introduction6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:34:25 -0800331_iso-8859-1 Hi Ellen!

Great to see you, and B'shaah Tova to you! I think
you have about a month and a half on me. Hope all is
well in Boston, we miss it like crazy, although we
only have another 1.5 years here in Chicago before we
move on again...perhaps back to Boston, who knows?

~Shayna in Chicago [...]39_15Feb200608:34:25-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 3510 35 30_Looking for a few good members14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:41:58 -0600563_ISO-8859-1 Hi all,
As mentioned in past posts, I have taken upon myself the crushing burden
of list ownership from the exhausted and dazed Mrs. Sloman, whose good
work we all appreciate.
One of the more rewarding aspects of the list is the fact that we have
to pay $50 a year to Shamash to keep it here and available. Its
rewarding from the point of view of Shamash. I hope having the list is
rewarding to you too.
I could just send them money via Pay-Pal and not mention it. But I
figured maybe someone out there (hint hint cough [...]49_15Feb200610:41:58-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 3546 20 25_Re: high school chemistry15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:39:04 +0200423_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, I will look into it.
Ilana

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they are... it's written by a college professor and looks so interesting!
You can check it out on Amazon. Someone on this or the Israel home
school list mentioned it.
Worth checking out at least.
kol tuv,
Laya

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:22:30 +0200 Ilana Michelson
writes:
> Hi
> Can anyone reccomend a good chemistry book which I could use to
> teach my
> seventh grader chemistry (and refresh my memory). He does regular
> scvhooling but has been interested in chemistry [...]39_15Feb200619:19:22+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 3618 62 17_Re: My name is...14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:22:46 +0200599_us-ascii She's dating her mother... who sounds like my age! Now I'm dating
myself. :-)
Laya
who started late but B"H I started!

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:06:28 -0600 Bill Bernstein
writes:
> Talk about dating yourself.....
>
> Mandy Oeschger wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the confusion I may have caused by starting to use my
>
> > Hebrew name more freely. My mother liked Barry Manilo hence the
> name
> > "Mandy".. :-l My friends use my Hebrew name "Sarah" and in all
> > other relationships I use "Mandy". :-)
> >
> [...]39_15Feb200619:22:46+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 3681 73 15_Re: H.S Diploma14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:06:52 +0200592_ISO-8859-1 Dear Sarah,

Remember the story of the Ugly Duckling?

Can you imagine how that poor mother duck felt when her child was so
rebellious? He wouldn't fall in line with the other ducklings, no. And,
you just know she did everything she could to help him be the best duck
he could be. She pond-schooled him. She took him to speech therapy twice
a week so he could honk better, occupational therapy once a week for
those awful neck problems, and when he began acting out and having
issues with his self-esteem, the family therapist suggested Ritalin. [...]46_16Feb200602:06:52+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 3755 183 24_Re: Purim and Lapbooking14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:44:34 -0500596_Windows-1252 Yes, we have begun doing lapbooking, also known as shutter books. It's wonderful. Yes, it takes some time, but if you have the supplies and keep organized, it is a wonderful way to collect information. My daughter is very creative and artistic so these books especially interest her.
Purim would be a fun one to do, however there are many hands-on project for purim you may want to try: make your own megilla, mask-making, shaloch manot baskets, graggers, Adar signs. If you look on the web, you'll find instructive websites on lap book and book making in general.
Evelyn [...]40_15Feb200622:44:34-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 3939 361 28_Re: tzedakah projects (long)14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:20:33 +0200565_us-ascii Hi Yael and all, I hope this response is timely for you but here's a lot
of information

I just got the e-mail below with ideas and thought it would be relevant
to this thread:
the link this e-mail brings you to is
http://www.familyfirst.net/famlife/kindness.asp
where there are many more ideas and more links to the idea of chesed.
This is a Xtian based web site but there is hardly any mention of jc.
At the end of the article from the link above is another link that might
be helpful
http://www.actsofkindness.org/ [...]39_16Feb200608:20:33+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 4301 67 21_Re: tzedakah projects14_Rachel Shapiro22_fayershapiro@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:07:18 -0800668_iso-8859-1 There is a great lecture available free online at http://www.just-tzedakah.org/
by Rabbi Yitzchok Breitowitz entitled "Raise your standard of giving: Practical Tzedakah guidelines drawn from Jewish tradition." We found it very interesting and informative.
Rachel in Silver Spring, MD
-

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:29:48 -0500
From: Russell J Hendel
Subject: Re: tzedakah projects

Yael do not belittle the obvious. Under Jewish law raising children over
6 **is** Tzedakah (Mandatory Tzedakah but Biblically Tzedakah just the
same...there is no obligation for the parents (biblically) to raise their
children past 6). [...]44_16Feb200602:07:18-0800fayershapiro@YAHOO.COM 4369 52 34_Re: Looking for a few good members14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:08:56 -0600564_ISO-8859-1 What a great group! In less than 24 hours you have almost gotten to the
$50 mark. Just one more $5 donation will do it.
Thanks, tizku l'mitsvos.
bill

Bill Bernstein wrote:

> Hi all,
> As mentioned in past posts, I have taken upon myself the crushing
> burden of list ownership from the exhausted and dazed Mrs. Sloman,
> whose good work we all appreciate.
> One of the more rewarding aspects of the list is the fact that we have
> to pay $50 a year to Shamash to keep it here and available. Its
> rewarding [...]49_16Feb200610:08:56-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4422 210 28_Thanks for the contributions8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Fri, 17 Feb 2006 05:22:11 -0500563_us-ascii I want to thank all of you who have generously stepped up to cover the
yearly list dues. Shamash gave us a free ride for the initial several
years of torch-d, which was very helpful. For the past few years,
torch-d has had enough traffic to require the dues.

In addition to hosting the list, providing the listserv software, and
maintaining the archives, Shamash gives us ongoing technical support,
which involves volunteers putting in time to resolve problems. We
appreciate all of their help in making this list possible. [...]40_17Feb200605:22:11-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 4633 51 32_Re: Thanks for the contributions14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:25:46 -0600605_ISO-8859-1 What she said.
-Bill

S Sloman wrote:

> I want to thank all of you who have generously stepped up to cover the
> yearly list dues. Shamash gave us a free ride for the initial several
> years of torch-d, which was very helpful. For the past few years,
> torch-d has had enough traffic to require the dues.
>
>
>
> In addition to hosting the list, providing the listserv software, and
> maintaining the archives, Shamash gives us ongoing technical support,
> which involves volunteers putting in time to resolve problems. We
> appreciate all of [...]49_17Feb200607:25:46-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4685 20 24_Re: Purim and Lapbooking15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:01 +0200473_windows-1252 Is Lapbooking like scarpbooking about a specific topic? Excuse my ignorance.
Ilana

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is not so much preserving a memory as documenting an area of study. The
child collects and presents information through diagrams, charts, drawings,
mini-reports, timelines, etc. about what she learned and discovered about a
specific topic. Examples for Jewish topics might be: Parashat Beraishit (or
sefer Beraishit), Tu B'shvat, Hilchos Shabbos. Al the items are contained
within a folder (which may have subfolders inside). The child now has an
interactive review of the topic. It's best to see a sample. Here are some
good sites.http://scrapbookingtolearn.com/index.htm
http://teacherweb.com/tx/cadwallader/cchavez/index.html
http://www.homeschoolinthewoods.com/HTTA/TimelineHelps/LapbookPage.htm [...]40_18Feb200620:14:46-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 4738 149 24_New to list...questions!4_juli22_gabbyzak@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:55:01 -0500570_US-ASCII Hi, my name is Juli. I am new to this list and have some questions!

I have 3 children, 11yr. Old twin boys and a daughter, 7. I am
considering homeschooling my daughter who is now in first grade in
public school. She struggles with a "working memory" deficiency and is
somewhat ADD (inattentive). She is not doing well in a classroom of 20,
although we are in a very exceptional school. She seems to know the
information, and does well with one one one, but she cannot focus and
stay on task in the classroom. Her teacher has been [...]44_18Feb200622:55:01-0500gabbyzak@BELLSOUTH.NET 4888 64 24_Re: Purim and Lapbooking14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:27:54 -0800698_iso-8859-1 Evelyn,

Thanks for these resources -- you've inspired
something here!

Sigal

--- Evelyn Krieger wrote:

> Lapbooking is similar to scrapbooking, but it is
> more educational. The goal
> is not so much preserving a memory as documenting an
> area of study. The
> child collects and presents information through
> diagrams, charts, drawings,
> mini-reports, timelines, etc. about what she learned
> and discovered about a
> specific topic. Examples for Jewish topics might
> be: Parashat Beraishit (or
> sefer Beraishit), Tu B'shvat, Hilchos Shabbos. Al
> the items are contained
> within a folder [...]45_19Feb200605:27:54-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 4953 58 34_creating our children in our image14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:47:19 -0800398_iso-8859-1 Malkie's ugly duckling post got me (laughing very hard
and) thinking about this issue.

I find it funny that, on the whole, we tend to take
lightly the obligation to immitate G-d until it comes
to raising children -- then we often want to create
them "b'tzalmeinu ki'dmuteinu"!

Like Malkie said, our task is to get them to fulfill
their own unique task. [...]45_19Feb200605:47:19-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 5012 31 21_Re: tzedakah projects12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:40:44 -0500194_us-ascii Thank you so much, Laya and Rachel, for the tzedakah project ideas!
If anyone has any more thoughts, I'm still gathering ideas through
the end of this week.

Thanks,
Yael44_19Feb200612:40:44-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 5044 84 28_Re: New to list...questions!14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:26:23 +0200585_ISO-8859-1 Juli,

Welcome to our list.

Yes, there are Jewish homeschoolers, and we come in all sizes and
stripes and affiliations, including a myriad of different styles of
Orthodox.

> All the people I know who homeschool are fundamentalist Christian and I
> don't think they are a good source of info as we are Jewish. I know of
> no one who is Jewish who is homeschooling. I'm not set on a Jewish
> curriculum, but I'd like the option.
>
> What I'd like to get from this list are answers to these questions:
>
> Is homeschooling a [...]46_20Feb200602:26:23+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 5129 99 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:08:07 +0200444_ISO-8859-1 Sigal--

This is
> very much a reflection of what we value most. This is
> perfectly proper, but how/when do we encourage our
> children to develop their own priorities? (or, better
> yet, to "own" our priorities :) !)

Isn't that the $64 Million dollar question!

When our son was four, and building with Lego, my mother looked at him
with pride and said, "maybe he'll grow up to be engineer". [...]46_20Feb200603:08:07+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 5229 118 28_Re: New to list...questions!4_juli22_gabbyzak@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:24:24 -0500547_us-ascii Malkie,

Thanks for the great info. I will check into those books!! Just today I
told a friend of mine (Jewish) that I might like to try homeschooling.
She said it was a terrible idea because she (my daughter)would lose much
needed socialization. ????

~Juli

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Malkie Swidler
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:26 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] New to list...questions! [...]44_19Feb200618:24:24-0500gabbyzak@BELLSOUTH.NET 5348 171 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:49:47 -0800401_iso-8859-1 Malkie,

I do agree with what you've said. On a deeper level
you've answered my question about making sure that I'm
not missing anything with the realization that it is
not up to me to worry about what I am missing -- I
need to do my best and pray that whatever my children
need by way of inspiration will be provided to them,
in one way or another, by Hashem. [...]45_19Feb200616:49:47-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 5520 54 28_Re: New to list...questions!9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA31_Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:33:25 -0800726_windows-1255 -----Original Message-----
From: juli
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Date: February 19, 2006 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] New to list...questions!

Just today I
>told a friend of mine (Jewish) that I might like to try homeschooling.
>She said it was a terrible idea because she (my daughter)would lose much
>needed socialization. ????
>
>~Juli

bs"d

Ah yes, the giant red herring of socialization will be dragged across your
path repeatedly when people hear that you're even thinking about
homeschooling. (I get it with my *3* year old, because her life just isn't
going to be complete without Preschool 3 next [...]39_19Feb200621:33:25-0800OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA 5575 174 25_Re: high school chemistry0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:45:54 EST586_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/16/06 1:57:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> Re: high school chemistry
>
> Hi
> Can anyone reccomend a good chemistry book which I could use to teach my
> seventh grader chemistry (and refresh my memory). He does regular
> scvhooling but has been interested in chemistry for a few years now, but
> finally asked if I would teach it to him (after school)
> Thanks
> Ilana Michelson
> PS as I live in Israel it would have to be something I could order I
> assume (although I could order [...]37_20Feb200600:45:54ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 5750 76 38_Re: creating our children in our image10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:57:13 -0500561_us-ascii Sigal,

It is not possible to go through out life without biases. It is
also not possible to do everything and try everything, nor do we
want to. I believe I have basically made the right choices in
life so I raise my children with my views and biases. In one sense
raising children is like programming a computer (I don't mean it
is that simple). We have a saying in the computer field: "garbage in,
garbage out" (can you tell I'm a programmer?). I "expose" them to
what I think is good and I "shield" them from what I [...]41_20Feb200607:57:13-0500larry@BECKFORCE.COM 5827 21 25_Re: high school chemistry15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:50:39 +0200491_ISO-8859-1 Wow, Thanks,
Those science fun labs seem perfect. Thanks for the whole overview.
Ilana from Rehovot

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interesting however there is one book, Pathways to Science: Understanding
Gd's Universe. THe description says it is from an x-tian point of view. Are
you sure none of the other books reflected such?
THanks,
Emily

The one that I like the best, most flexibility for a kid who is already in
> school, just wants to dabble and explore, not necessarily have to do this in
> a systematic way (i.e, for transcripts/grades, just for the sheer joy of
> it) is the castle heights press people. [...]44_20Feb200609:03:08-0500emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM 5937 54 12_Introduction13_Family Salle'18_fam.salle@TERRA.ES31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:27:30 +0100416_us-ascii Hello Evryone,
I have just joind the group and would like to introduse my self. Let me
start by telling you that I am very dislexic and all my wighting has an
element of creative spelling to it so please reade though it, I am told it
is easy after a little while. I don't have a funy acsent or anny thing wish
is what manny people think when they see my spelling with out having met me. [...]40_20Feb200613:27:30+0100fam.salle@TERRA.ES 5992 68 24_Re: Purim and Lapbooking13_Family Salle'18_fam.salle@TERRA.ES31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:47:51 +0100542_us-ascii I looked at the links, and thought this might be wat we neded to make our
histery lessons more intersting. Channa is leading the hJewish History book
"Sand and Start" from Artscroll right now. I wen't up to her and sugesyed
she do a folder on the Rambam and the Ramban. She did not like the iedear
so asked me if she could do a lapbook on the spanish inqesition. I said ok
but it does leave me with a bad feeling I know it's an important part of
history and that living hear (madrid) has made her intersted in [...]40_20Feb200615:47:51+0100fam.salle@TERRA.ES 6061 31 12_new to list.15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:49:57 -0700505_- Welcome to the list Juli and the others who have joined.

Isn't it funny people never question academics when they hear you hschool?
I mean never. It is always socialization. Usually, I reply they have many
social activites with children of various ages. However, social skills are
best learned from a caring adult (me) rather than 20 other kids their own
age. If the tone is condescending (very rare), I will say we ae waiting
until high school to introduce Marx and Engels:) [...]47_20Feb200607:49:57-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 6093 177 18_Re: socialization?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:51:53 EST610_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/20/06 1:57:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> Just today I
> told a friend of mine (Jewish) that I might like to try homeschooling.
> She said it was a terrible idea because she (my daughter)would lose much
> needed socialization. ????
>
>

Socialization in school? please define: do you mean the types of things that
we heard while we were in school? you know: sit down, face the front, be
quiet. Line up single file. pass your papers to the front. no talking, even in the
lunchroom. wait till the class goes [...]37_20Feb200611:51:53ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 6271 42 24_Re: socialization, redux0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:52:32 EST468_US-ASCII ooops, typo. I meant to say, we homeschool primarily for SOCIAL reasons.

Rena

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If I'm not mistaken, I think the Chabad shaliach in Madrid (Shifra?) used to
be on this list and she has homeschooled all 14 of her children to at least
high school. Can anyone verify? At any rate, most likely your local Chabad
there would be involved in some aspect of hschooling. [...]47_20Feb200611:18:13-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 6343 27 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:12:21 -0800576_iso-8859-1 Larry,

I tend to agree with you (especially on GIGO), but I'm
worried about the ugly duckling syndrome. My entire
family is very scientific and mathematical -- what
would we do if an artistic duckling hatched in our
nest?

Sigal

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Very-well said! I have also witnessed the type of wild behavior you described. It is helpful to all of us to be reminded just how well home educated children can be "socialized". It is hard for us to be asked this question over and over again, but I really like your response. Most people who ask probably have never considered how poor of a job schools do in "socializing" kids. It all comes down to the assumption (maybe brainwashing) that kids need to be in a large group of their peers, away from their parents, for hours each [...]40_20Feb200615:34:40-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 6459 39 25_Re: high school chemistry14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:58:22 +0200809_ISO-8859-1 If the fun books appeal to you, check out "Science Experiments You Can
Eat" by Vicki Cobb, we absolutely love it:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0064460029/sr=8-5/qid=1140468875/ref=pd_bbs_5/104-8551882-4514328?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Malkie

Ilana Michelson wrote:
> Wow, Thanks,
> Those science fun labs seem perfect. Thanks for the whole overview.
> Ilana from Rehovot
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struggle to get "excited" about math for our 6yo DD.
It's so much easier to sit down and read with her (and
we read about everything - science included. It's
just not so difficult when you're reading).

I suppose you go with the flow - your child expresses
an interest, and you let their interest guide you (to
the library, reference books, internet, this
list-serv, librarian, etc.) and THEN you can assist
them. [...]39_20Feb200614:07:26-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 6557 22 25_Re: high school chemistry15_Ilana Michelson21_stonemaker@HOTPOP.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:12:05 +0200510_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, I think I have an older version of that book or maybe a
different similar book And the kids did love it. (We did one of them
almost everyday during summer vacation.
Ilana

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I don't think it's a problem at all. I don't program the
kids to all go into a particular course. I program them
with my biases so they will handle any course they pick
in the "proper" way. For example, I'm very conservative
(politically) (try not to let the secret out). If my son
decided to become and artist he would be a "conservative"
artist not a "liberal" artist. On the one hand I would
probably try to nudge him toward a profession I felt would
provide a better parnasa, but I wouldn't sit shiva over his
being an [...]41_20Feb200617:17:31-0500larry@BECKFORCE.COM 6631 72 38_Re: creating our children in our image18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:53:50 -0500492_us-ascii I have a 10y.o. artistic duckling who is not at all thrilled
with the math being presented in the 'standard' curricula.
So I don't push her. I bring symmetry to her. I try to
show her the math hidden in art, especially 3-D. Crystal
formation and its symmetries.

Why would a normal kid feel a need to do long division?
What problems do they feel a need to solve? I like to
find problems she's interested in, then see if 'we' can
make inroads into it. [...]41_20Feb200618:53:50-0500bdickman@LUCENT.COM 6704 68 22_socialization concerns13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:38:52 -0800336_iso-8859-1 Firstly, welcome to our new members! It's great to see you posting here and we look forward to learning from you all!

>>Just today I told a friend of mine (Jewish) that I might like to try homeschooling.
She said it was a terrible idea because she (my daughter) would lose
much needed socialization. ????<< [...]44_20Feb200622:38:52-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 6773 34 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:51:01 +0200326_ISO-8859-1 Larry--

> I program them with my biases so they will handle any course they pick
> in the "proper" way. For example, I'm very conservative
> (politically) (try not to let the secret out). If my son
> decided to become and artist he would be a "conservative"
> artist not a "liberal" artist. [...]46_21Feb200615:51:01+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 6808 277 52_Re: socialization, direction, pacing & opportunities14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:44:05 +0200575_us-ascii This is long. For some of the newer home schoolers, here's another bit
of perspective.

Aviva wrote:
>I have lots more to say on this topic but being that I am feeling none
too diplomatic right now, I will stop right here!

Well, seeing as how I am also feeling none too diplomatic most of the
time about this one, I won't even start. So here are a couple of my
favorite zingers that I've never said to anyone directly. I once did
tell the second story to some dear and well meaning friends and the
subject was quickly changed. [...]39_21Feb200610:44:05+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 7086 73 23_Re: high school science0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:59:41 EST331_US-ASCII must be a new book in the series. I think that the fact that they were up
front that this book is written from a X-tian book proves that the others are
more generic science in orientation.

I have 2 books from them, (not the high school bio or chem, but others) and
there was nothing religious at all. [...]37_21Feb200608:59:41ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 7160 124 21_Re: in our own image?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:10:55 EST543_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/21/06 1:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> My entire
> family is very scientific and mathematical -- what
> would we do if an artistic duckling hatched in our
> nest?
>

I joke all the time that I have no idea where my kids come from! I have one
who is very musical. I am into music appreciation! while I was in choir in
high school and dance, I cannot read music, cannot play an instrument. So why do
I spend so much time in Guitar Center??? [...]37_21Feb200609:10:55ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 7285 97 23_Re: in our image, redux0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:38:11 EST584_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/21/06 1:57:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> But I do dread the day when she's doing math that's
> more advance than I could do. And if she's anything
> like I was in math (once upon a time) that won't be so
> long from now...(that's the problem with doing
> Humanities in college...your math skills go down the
> drain!)
>
At the risk of sounding like a broken record.....that's what a math tutor is
for! My DS has inherited my math gene, and he needed help with algebra and
SAT prep. [...]37_21Feb200609:38:11ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 7383 51 26_Re: socialization concerns6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:10:32 -0800410_iso-8859-1 Actually, this brings up an issue that we are having -
not directly related to homeschooling, but to
socialization.

We have a friend whose DD is right in between the age
of my kids - her DD is just 5, Kinneret (my DD) is
6.5, and Uri is almost 4. Her DD is a total, absolute
terror. Spoiled, loud, obnoxious, every bad thing you
can think of, that's how this child is. [...]39_21Feb200607:10:32-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 7435 33 14_Re: Lapbooking12_Little Bears21_littlebears@TESCO.NET31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:29:25 -0000699_iso-8859-1 I discovered another type of lapbook this week: "mini-offices", which are
basically something that the parent/ teacher will put together for the child
as a visual teaching aid. I think they may also be called "learning
centers".
http://www.busyteacherscafe.com/mini_offices.htm
http://www.teachingheart.net/minioffice.html
http://www.reagankinderbears.com/printables.htm
these following website could be of use in making your own "mini-offices"
http://donnayoung.org/
www.abcteach.com
http://www.enchantedlearning.com
http://www.cdps.k12.ms.us/teacher_tools/math.htm
¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:-
¸.·´ .·´¨¨))
((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sharon
-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* [...]43_21Feb200611:29:25-0000littlebears@TESCO.NET 7469 78 23_Re: in our image, redux6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:21:52 -0800342_iso-8859-1 Rena,
That is a lovely story! And a reminder that the
resources are out there. But that's what happens
when your oldest is just 6...I'm still learning how to
teach her/learn with her. Some things come more
naturally to me than others (and the others tend to
stress me out, until we find the right solution). [...]39_21Feb200607:21:52-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 7548 35 13_socialization15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:28:11 -0700460_- Avivah,

I agree with you (and Raymond and Dorothy Moore) that limiting my children's
contact with other kids improves their middos immensely. In fact, I saw a
marked change in my daughter's behavior from just a few weeks at day camp
last summer. At first I attributed this to the camp being "kiruv" in
orientation, but upon closer observation, I don't think the frum camp would
have made much difference in regard to derech eretz. [...]47_21Feb200608:28:11-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 7584 182 26_Re: socialization concerns12_David Horesh20_dhoresh@HOTBREAD.NET31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:28:24 -0600591_US-ASCII TIA
This may be a tough thing to take on, but perhaps you are being presented
with the opportunity to perform a real mitzvah. By taking this child in to
your lives more frequently, you can positively influence their behavior,
while at the same time providing support to your friend. We have seen this
kind of intervention work before. It does take a tremendous amount of
patience and a family approach to the intervention with the child, but it
pays dividends. You must be willing to lay down the law in your home, and
demand the same level of behavior [...]42_21Feb200609:28:24-0600dhoresh@HOTBREAD.NET 7767 112 53_creating our children in our image and math resources14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:41:57 -0800443_iso-8859-1 My concern is different -- I can figure out how to
teach material I find significant to match an
individual's interests, but I am not sure I'd be able
to provide a child with, say, artistic interests, with
the optimal resources to develop this interest to its
fullest. Furthermore, I don't know if I could value
the products of that child's work in the same way as a
field that I personally find valuable. [...]45_21Feb200607:41:57-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 7880 77 26_Re: socialization concerns14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:52:26 -0600605_ISO-8859-1 Just to avoid confusion I will mention that "TIA" is not someone's name
but an abbreviation for "Thanks in Advance." Sorry to anyone who was
not confused by that.
TIA,
Bill.

David Horesh wrote:

> TIA
> This may be a tough thing to take on, but perhaps you are being
> presented with the opportunity to perform a real mitzvah. By taking
> this child in to your lives more frequently, you can positively
> influence their behavior, while at the same time providing support to
> your friend. We have seen this kind of intervention work before. It
[...]49_21Feb200609:52:26-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 7958 43 26_Re: socialization concerns6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:59:11 -0800540_iso-8859-1 My apologizes...I slip into web-lingo without thinking
about it.

What's worse is when I want to talk IRL (in real life)
with it...someone is getting too much computer time!

~Shayna in Chicago
afterschooling Kinneret 6.5yo

--- Bill Bernstein
wrote:

> Just to avoid confusion I will mention that "TIA" is
> not someone's name
> but an abbreviation for "Thanks in Advance." Sorry
> to anyone who was
> not confused by that.
> TIA,
> Bill. [...]39_21Feb200607:59:11-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 8002 57 26_Re: socialization concerns14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:11:40 -0800611_iso-8859-1 Aviva,

As usual, your comments hit home here. Just this
weekend we had two incidents that echo what you say.

One was at a father-son learning program at the local
Yeshiva. At the end of the program the yeshiva guys
organizing this give out soda and potato chips
(sometimes pizza, too) and there is a raffle -- the
kids get tickets for showing up. This is done outside
of the beis medrash, and most parents don't usually
come downstairs. My father (who learns mishnayot with
my 7yo) and husband both went downstairs with the
kids and were appalled by how [...]45_21Feb200608:11:40-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 8060 145 57_Re: creating our children in our image and math resources13_Family Salle'18_fam.salle@TERRA.ES31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:14:36 +0100358_us-ascii I know of two books with alot of mathes in them wich are fiction, my
daughter likes these:

The miserus insedent of the dog in the night time (you should cheak this
one first your self it has a devorce of a couple in it) is written from the
point of view of a autistic child and teaches 2d numbers and prime numbers
very wel. [...]40_21Feb200617:14:36+0100fam.salle@TERRA.ES 8206 37 50_socialization (or: how to wake up the email list!)14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:21:06 -0800643_iso-8859-1 Juli,

Wow, look at all the reponses we have once the
socialization issue has been raised. The list hasn't
been this active in ages!

I suspect that this is because we are all sick of the
"S-word" and the inevitable "S-question". Your
experience with this question is, I fear, the first of
many.

I intend to give a gift (a cake? a box of chocolates?)
to the first non-homeschooling parent who doesn't ask
me the S-question when we talk about homeschooling!
It hasn't happened yet. Interestingly, I have a few
younger unmarried friends who think homeschooling is
great and don't [...]45_21Feb200608:21:06-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 8244 21 16_On socialization14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:29:17 -0800488_iso-8859-1 I thought you might appreciate this one

http://www.nhen.org/nhen/pov/editors/default.asp?id=157

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Hold On to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers by Gordon Neufeld [...]40_21Feb200611:56:50-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 8341 210 57_Re: creating our children in our image and math resources14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:26:35 -0800580_iso-8859-1 Great suggestions!

"The math curse" is also a cute one for younger kids,
and there is a series of books, with the term "sir
cumference" in the title, which is also nice for
younger kids.

Sigal

--- Family Salle' wrote:

> I know of two books with alot of mathes in them wich
> are fiction, my
> daughter likes these:
>
> The miserus insedent of the dog in the night time
> (you should cheak this
> one first your self it has a devorce of a couple in
> it) is written from the
> point [...]45_21Feb200609:26:35-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 8552 36 20_Re: On socialization14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:45:59 +0200655_us-ascii great link, thanks Sigal!
Laya

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:29:17 -0800 Sigal Gottlieb
writes:
> I thought you might appreciate this one
>
> http://www.nhen.org/nhen/pov/editors/default.asp?id=157
>
>
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welcome to the list you will find it very helpful. I will answer some of
your questions from my experience as a new homeschooler. I also have three
children 6,5,1. I started to homeschool my six year old son when he finished
kindergarten( 8 months ago). There we were advised to have him evaluated for
ADHD and we did and yes we were told he could benefit from some medication
and that homeschooling was a horrible idea for him, because he has to learn
how to deal with his problems early on and lots of other conform the [...]48_21Feb200616:21:37-0700bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM 9071 84 26_Re: socialization and camp13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:40:09 -0800565_iso-8859-1 Ooooh, Michelle, your summer plans sound wonderful! Just the kind of things we love! And the best part about outdoor trips like that is that they are so authentic- not an artificial kind of experience - and it brings the family together instead of separating everyone. We have a yearly summer family camping trip that we all look forward to, though we don't try to do anything unusual. There is something about being in the woods that makes it special, and I literally do not have to correct the tone or attitude of any child the entire time we are [...]44_21Feb200617:40:09-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 9156 23 21_soothing secret fears6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:23:34 -0700623_US-ASCII I can't tell you all how the recent landslide of posts has comforted me and
answered many secret questions and fears (some of which I didn't even know I
had!). Thank you for reminding me that this list is a safe and fertile
place to bring questions, issues, hopes and fears.

Shoshana Z.

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No, it is not that he "must" come only to the conclusion that I desire. It
is not that I force anything on him. It is that with a proper upbringing "he
will" come to an acceptable conclusion by himself. It is not that his
conclusion needs to be exactly my own. He will come to a conclusion that is
in the correct ballpark. [...]41_22Feb200609:00:42-0500larry@BECKFORCE.COM 9245 39 6_Tal Am6_Shayna17_ssheiny@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:46:52 -0800535_iso-8859-1 Hi Bara,

How did you get your hands on the Tal Am program? I'd
be interested in getting it...

~Shayna in Chicago
afterschooling Kinneret, 6yo

--- Bara Loewenthal
wrote:

> For Judaic studies we
> do Hebrew everyday I was lucky to get my hands on a
> great series Tal Am.
> Bara

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LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> Any advice besides just biting our lips and bearing it
> out? It's tough (DH and I actually dread being around
> this child, it's so bad)...
>
we have been there, done that. First rule: The kid can play at your house,
your kid cannot play there. This way you can keep an eye on things, and
"redirect" when necessary. [...]37_22Feb200610:55:19ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 9416 79 18_Re: socialization?13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:36:14 -0800558_iso-8859-1 Sounds like we would take the same approach, Rena. I think the hardest thing in the situation is how to deal with needing to discipline someone else's child while the other parent is sitting there and not doing anything. I tend to hold back if the parent is there - in my opinion, it's their child, and they need to deal with the situation. If they don't, then it gets sticky, because you have to a) discipline their child; b) ignore the behavior, or c) tell the parent their child needs to be disciplined. There aren't too many good options [...]44_22Feb200610:36:14-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 9496 312 18_Re: socialization?9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:22:35 -0800576_ISO-8859-1 I have been known to tell people that I would consider sending my kids
to school for the academics, but not for the socialization. Unfortunately
the academics don't come without the socialization. It is true that kids do
learn socialization when attending a school in a classroom of their peers.
They learn the social cues of that peer group--what is ok to say, what is
not ok, when it is ok and when it is not. They learn about the group
dynamic and where they fit in that particular group--cool not cool , class
cut up , etc. Ever think [...]40_22Feb200615:22:35-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 9809 119 25_Re: high school chemistry9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:47:15 -0800687_ISO-8859-1 Hi Iana:
I never did take chemistry in school, but my kids are interested. They just
asked me to buy them: chemistry DeMYSTiFieD a self teaching guide by Linda
Williams published by Mc Graw Hill (280 pages)

The back of the book says:

Here's everythhing you need to:
*understand the components of matter
*Grasp symbols and naming standards used in chemistry
*Learn elements, electrons, and the Periodic Table
*Discober the composition of atoms
*Comprehend subatomic particles
Execute formulaic calculations
*Understand properties and reactions
*Comprehend solubility, boiling, and freezing points
*Discern surface tension [...]40_22Feb200619:47:15-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 9929 123 16_Re socialization0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:18:28 EST542_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/23/06 1:56:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> I tend to hold back if the parent is there - in my opinion, it's their
> child, and they need to deal with the situation. If they don't, then it gets
> sticky, because you have to a) discipline their child; b) ignore the behavior,
> or c) tell the parent their child needs to be disciplined. There aren't too
> many good options if you don't feel comfortable being straightforward with
> the other parent.
> [...]37_23Feb200608:18:28ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 10053 24 27_Harvard: The Best Education14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:55:25 -0600600_ISO-8859-1 For those maintaining that Harvard (and probably other Ivies as well)
provide the best educational environment, here is an article from Ruth
Wisse, professor of Yiddish at Harvard.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006196

Bill Bernstein
Nashville TN

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Summers has announced his resignation.

~Shayna in Chicago
afterschooling Kinneret, 6yo

--- Bill Bernstein
wrote:

> For those maintaining that Harvard (and probably
> other Ivies as well)
> provide the best educational environment, here is an
> article from Ruth
> Wisse, professor of Yiddish at Harvard.
> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006196
>
> Bill Bernstein
> Nashville TN [...]39_23Feb200606:34:06-0800ssheiny@YAHOO.COM 10121 101 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:17:03 +0200696_ISO-8859-1 Larry,

It's no accident that this conversation is taking place between a man
and a woman. Isn't Masculine and Feminine the essential dichotomy of
human existence? This dichotomy is mirrored by others: Justice and
Mercy, Intellect and Emotion, and our current distinction, Absolute
Truth and Unconditional Love.

So much of the Torah is about the uneasy tension between Tzeddek and
Rachamim-- justice and mercy. It's even reflected in our experience of
G-d. Which is it-- "Melech Hamishpat" or "Kel Malei Rachamim"?
Interestingly, this isn't just a philosophical tangent, but an issue
with halachik ramifications, especially vis-a-vis Tefilla. [...]46_24Feb200603:17:03+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 10223 78 38_Re: creating our children in our image13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:34:36 -0800531_iso-8859-1 I will throw in my feminine thoughts on this. :) I'm with Larry 100% on this one.

H-shem Himself doesn't choose one role to rule the world; He uses both together. As a parent, we have to model H-shem by integrating love and discipline. It is a priority for me to give my kids a lot of love and attention, and it is a priority to clearly guide them in terms of what acceptable behavior is. I used to think either/or, but now I really see how 'both' is the right answer. As a younger mother, I didn't know how [...]44_23Feb200617:34:36-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 10302 68 10_Re: Tal Am15_Bara Loewenthal26_bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM31_Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:38:02 -0700535_iso-8859-1 Hi Shayna,

I called one of the day schools that use it and I basically begged and the
director was very understanding and ordered extra set for me. It was 18
different workbooks all for 1st grade but it will take us longer than that.
I paid her $70 for it, but we love it. It is very kid friendly. Right now we
are almost in the middle of the book #3 out of the 5 main ones. Try to
befriend a Hebrew teacher in school that use it, this one here said they
always have extras just laying around. [...]48_23Feb200619:38:02-0700bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM 10371 61 6_Tal Am14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:29:16 -0600432_iso-8859-1 Found this link http://www.talam.org/TA_Scope_and_Composition_100minutes_3.htm

Anyone familiar?

Sarah

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an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/45_23Feb200621:29:16-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 10433 34 40_loving our childrens despite differences15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:40:48 -0700425_- Avivah,

You have summarized succinctly how I feel. Just yesterday, a friend
(secular) asked me if I would love my kids if one came to me and proclaimed
their homosexuality (chas v' shalom). I explained that while my love for
them wouldn't change, I would be profoundly sad and disappointed. They
would be choosing a life outside the framework of Torah, and they would pay
a steep price for that. [...]47_24Feb200606:40:48-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 10468 36 22_[Fwd: Humash - TorchD]14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:12:59 -0600622_ISO-8859-1 Forwarded. Feel free to respond off-list.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Humash - TorchD
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:04:13 -0500
From: vivahammer@aol.com
To: billbernstein@bellsouth.net

For the Torch - D digest.

We are trying to give our 11 yo chumash enrichment but she's resistant
to standard reading and discussion. I have found her to enjoy the
online style of learning (for example, she loves doing IQ tests
online). does anyone know of a site that could help me design something
for her that's fun, interactive, modern style learning of Torah? [...]49_24Feb200609:12:59-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 10505 40 10_New member11_David Rubin19_dinadavid@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:31:37 -0800461_iso-8859-1 Hi,

We are an orthodox Jewish family living in Hollywood
FL. My wife started homeschooling our son this past
year. He is currently in kindergarten. We have been
interested in speaking to other homeschoolers about
curriculum and lesson plans, both Jewish and secular,
that have worked for them for first grade. We are
also interested in finding some local, homeschooled
children for joint field trips, playdates, etc. [...]41_24Feb200607:31:37-0800dinadavid@YAHOO.COM 10546 130 10_Re: Tal Am15_Bara Loewenthal26_bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:47:20 -0700623_iso-8859-1 Hi,
yes that is the Tal Am Hebrew program. As you can see there is a ton of
material that they use. I have just the 18 workbooks that are divide into 4
units. We do not do the brachot unit or parsha unit (too simple). The
classroom unit is just not appropriate for home school but it is OK for
reading practice and new vocabulary. The problem is that they will NOT sell
it to an individual, because they make most of their money on teacher
training in Canada.
Bara
-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG]On Behalf
Of Mandy [...]48_24Feb200611:47:20-0700bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM 10677 175 10_Re: Tal Am9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:04:23 -0800556_ISO-8859-1 My daughter is not happy with me because they had a winter clearance and I
failed to order in time and we could have received a Word by Word Hebrew
Chumash (5 discs) for only $80.
Beth

On 2/24/06, Bara Loewenthal wrote:
>
> Hi,
> yes that is the Tal Am Hebrew program. As you can see there is a ton of
> material that they use. I have just the 18 workbooks that are divide into 4
> units. We do not do the brachot unit or parsha unit (too simple). The
> classroom unit is just [...]40_24Feb200615:04:23-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 10853 37 14_Re: New member14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:42:13 -0500630_iso-8859-1 Hi David,
Your son is young, and I'd recommend a relaxed approach centered around his
interests such as the solar system, weather, birds, Africa, etc. Unit
studies encompass math, science, writing, art and literature. For math I
suggest lots of manipulatives. If you need a program I recommend Singapore
Math. Read lots of books together. Read to him above his reading level.
Let him listen to stories and books on tape. There are many good books for
beginning readers available through the library and book stores. Let him
start a journal where he can draw and write about his experiences [...]40_25Feb200620:42:13-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 10891 84 14_Re: New member13_gilla s weiss20_weissfambh@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:36:33 -0800502_iso-8859-1 David Rubin wrote: Hi,

We are an orthodox Jewish family living in Hollywood
FL. My wife started homeschooling our son this past
year. He is currently in kindergarten. We have been
interested in speaking to other homeschoolers about
curriculum and lesson plans, both Jewish and secular,
that have worked for them for first grade. We are
also interested in finding some local, homeschooled
children for joint field trips, playdates, etc. [...]42_26Feb200606:36:33-0800weissfambh@YAHOO.COM 10976 213 14_Re: New member14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:53:27 -0600331_iso-8859-1 Hi David and Dina,

Welcome aboard :-) I have a soon to be 5 Y.O in K5. We used abeka for k5 cursive but I hear calvert is good also and is secular so we wouldn't have to filter unwanted material. I'm not sure which we'll use next year. Looking forward to hearing others response to your 1st. grade question. [...]45_26Feb200611:53:27-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 11190 207 47_Fantastic Websites for Purim---Fun for everyone16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:17:25 -0500660_us-ascii Hi
Someone asked me 3 weeks ago on how to best teach Rashi to
5 years olds. I am busy working on an answer and will post

But in the meantime I thought the following super -- something
for everyone

The J Site - Jewish Education and Entertainment
http://www.j.co.il
has several entertaining features for Purim:

Here are examples from the "flash quizzes" on this site
There are two levels of questions, two timer settings.
Both kids and adults will find it enjoyable.
=====================================
Purim Trivia
Why do people eat poppy seeds on Purim ?
From what tribe was Mordecai ?
[...]39_26Feb200613:17:25-0500rjhendel@JUNO.COM 11398 73 14_Re: New member13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:03:35 -0800627_iso-8859-1 Welcome to the list, Dina and David.

There are lots of different ways to approach homeschooling, and most families find that they adjust their approach as their children get older and develop different interests, respond to different approaches, etc. Generally, I would strongly suggest staying away from structured curriculum at this young age. Many parents initially feel insecure without an outside structure since most of us have grown up thinking the school system's way of doing things is the only way to do things, but it is worthwhile to take the time to think about what you want to accomplish, [...]44_26Feb200613:03:35-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 11472 48 14_Re: New member6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:05:03 -0700552_US-ASCII Dear David and Dina,

My oldest son is in 1st grade this year. He likes doing Singapore math and
has really enjoyed Explode the Code for reading and writing. I let him
decide how much to do at a time. Sometimes it's two pages while others it's
six! He is almost seven and has just become a "real" reader over the past
few months. We spend a great deal of energy on davening and proper Hebrew
reading and pronunciation. Seems easier to learn it right the first time
than to unlearn something wrong at a later date! [...]42_26Feb200616:05:03-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 11521 266 14_Re: New member15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:47:32 -0500600_us-ascii Hi, David and Dina-

We're in NMB, and are HSing our 5 kids. We'd love to get together for a
park day! I have a kindergartener, a 2nd & 4th grader, a 3 year old, and a
15 month old. Gilla, Chaya.care to join us?

Wendy in NMB

Hi,

We are an orthodox Jewish family living in Hollywood
FL. My wife started homeschooling our son this past
year. He is currently in kindergarten. We have been
interested in speaking to other homeschoolers about
curriculum and lesson plans, both Jewish and secular,
that have worked for them for first grade. We [...]50_26Feb200618:47:32-0500wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 11788 53 12_summer camps9_beth mali18_malikids@GMAIL.COM31_Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:13:38 -0800491_ISO-8859-1 I'd like to hear from any of you that have an opinion on sending your kids
to summer camp. Living out in the boonies in Oregon, my kids don't get to
meet many Orthodox kids. I never experienced an orthodox summer camp and
just want to know if this would be something good to send my homeschooled
kids (at least my 11yr.old) to. I don't even know of any camps so I'm
looking on the internet. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Beth [...]40_26Feb200619:13:38-0800malikids@GMAIL.COM 11842 27 14_Re: New member13_Family Salle'18_fam.salle@TERRA.ES31_Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:07:12 +0100351_us-ascii Hi,
Does any one have any experiance with using The hebrew textbook series
Ha'ah Shel Menucha, from The Judaica Press? If so is it good and for what
age, stage in hebrew is it aproprieat? I ahve a 4 year old who is good at
reading Hebrew but does not know the meaning of manny words and has never
heard any Hewbwe spoken. [...]40_27Feb200614:07:12+0100fam.salle@TERRA.ES 11870 165 16_Re: summer camps14_Chaya Phillips27_callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:00 -0500587_iso-8859-1 I work at Camp Dina. I love it and my children have a fantastic time. I'm going back for a second year. http://www.campdoragolding.com/girls/
http://www.campdoragolding.com/index2.html
I think it is a great camp for us outsiders (people who live outside NY ). All the girls and boys who go to the camps are frum. It's modern, but more yeshivish I guess would describe it quickly. Look at the pictures. I am proud of my work in the girls camp. Torah and good middos are the main force that drive these camps in a fun fun fun camp environment. The second session may [...]49_27Feb200609:42:00-0500callmeforavon@BELLSOUTH.NET 12036 51 14_Re: New member14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:47:54 -0500351_iso-8859-1 I'm not sure about this text, but before you use a text, I would have your
son listen and learn several Hebrew songs. If possible, find a Hebrew video
or CD rom. Label objects in the house. Learn the colors and numbers. Then
find very simple story books. We liked "Shiri Halama" about a llama who goes
to school.
Evelyn [...]40_27Feb200611:47:54-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 12088 40 15_learning hebrew14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:03:50 -0800335_iso-8859-1 Evelyn,

I think these ideas are great. There is also a
collection of videos that tell well known stories in
Hebrew -- together with the books these are amazing.
A nice beginning is the "Eliezer V'Hagezer" dvd which
has 4 stories on it -- and you can buy the books for
each one of this separately. [...]45_27Feb200611:03:50-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 12129 171 38_Re: creating our children in our image14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:51:01 +0200520_ISO-8859-1 Avivah--

I wish you could see the smile on my face-- I could have written your
post myself. Believe me, I do NOT advocate loosey-goosey parenting. I've
seen its outcome too many times, and "parenting" without guidance always
results in the same nervous, tense and insecure children who wish their
parents could learn the word "no" and use it! The most unhappy children
I've ever met were nonparented just like this. It was very sad, and very
difficult on the community, as well. [...]46_28Feb200602:51:01+0200swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 12301 59 19_Re: learning hebrew14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:15:03 -0500659_iso-8859-1 Thanks Sigal,
What level are these at? My daughter is reading and understanding TelAm for
the 2nd grade. Can you tell me where to purchase these videos and DVDs?
Evelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sigal Gottlieb"
To:
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: [TORCH-D] learning hebrew

> Evelyn,
>
> I think these ideas are great. There is also a
> collection of videos that tell well known stories in
> Hebrew -- together with the books these are amazing.
> A nice beginning is the "Eliezer V'Hagezer" dvd which
> has 4 stories on [...]40_27Feb200622:15:03-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 12361 35 14_Re: New member13_Family Salle'18_fam.salle@TERRA.ES31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:15:55 +0100596_us-ascii Thank you. we wil do some labeliing. We can't rely get hopd of the hebrew
story books in Spain. We do have hebrew songtapes but not any for children.

At 17:47 27-2-2006, you wrote:

>I'm not sure about this text, but before you use a text, I would have your
>son listen and learn several Hebrew songs. If possible, find a Hebrew
>video or CD rom. Label objects in the house. Learn the colors and
>numbers. Then find very simple story books. We liked "Shiri Halama" about
>a llama who goes to school.
>Evelyn
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- [...]40_28Feb200613:15:55+0100fam.salle@TERRA.ES 12397 105 19_Re: learning hebrew14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:18 -0800450_iso-8859-1 Hi Evelyn

The stories are all "little kid" stories, content wise
-- they are cute for kids up to age 8. In terms of
the Hebrew reading level, it depends on the story.
Eliezer V'Hagezer has a lot of repetition which makes
it easy, but some of the vocabulary is advanced. The
stories are very appealing and nicely done on video.
My kids like it a lot, but I am not sure what their
level would be considered. [...]45_28Feb200610:38:18-0800sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 12503 80 10_Re: Tal Am13_Barbara Mazor19_barbmazor@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:42:27 -0800347_iso-8859-1 I have a set of Tal Am books that my older son used when he attended school. I am using them now with my younger son. We will be done with them in a few months.

I would be happy to mail them to you for postage, if you can wait until the summer. They are written in, but the stories are still good and the pictures are nice. [...]41_28Feb200616:42:27-0800barbmazor@YAHOO.COM 12584 88 10_New member17_No Name Available18_sljban@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:51:13 -0500581_iso-8859-1 Hello, we live in northern New Jersey and have begun to homeschool a very advanced 4 year old who wasn't functioning in kindergarten. I have enough materials to work with her academically, but the other issues of homeschooling are very tough for me. Since I am new at this, I haven't organized any regular substitute for the peer contact that was so inappropriate at school. Also, with Purim coming up, I don't know how to fill the void of the Purim activities that most schools do as a group - Purim shpiels, chagigahs, etc...Of course she will participate in all [...]40_28Feb200622:51:13-0500sljban@VERIZON.NET