1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d January 2006 2 39 28_Re: College Early Admissions11_Susan Lapin20_suelap@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:54:52 -0800566_iso-8859-1 >>>In regards to your question about schools that are better for keeping
morals, I presume you mean a secular school.<<<

Having had children in Israel, Stern, YU and Touro I do think that parents
need to be aware that no yeshiva, seminary or "religious" college is
automatically a safe place for a child. In fact, many teachers in Israel
feel that American parents send kids who are heading down a bad path with
the illusion that Israel will cure them and it just means you have troubled
kids away from parental supervision. [...]42_31Dec200518:54:52-0800suelap@EARTHLINK.NET 42 40 12_Re: college?10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM30_Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:41:28 -0500560_us-ascii > As for my own kids, I don't know what will happen with them for college,
> but I want to make sure that they have the skills they need to support
> themselves and their own families. Despite my strong academic background,

> I have actually made most of my living starting companies. When we
started
> homeschooling, one of the activities I organized for my kids were field
trips
> to see businesses that people had started on their dining room tables - I
> wanted my kids to have a model of work in their minds that [...]40_1Jan200608:41:28-0500larry@BECKFORCE.COM 83 34 12_Re: college?10_Larry Beck19_larry@BECKFORCE.COM30_Sun, 1 Jan 2006 09:05:26 -0500594_us-ascii One of the things I have been pushing very hard with my kids is the morals
aspect of the school they choose. Harvard, Yale and the other schools with
"great" reputations might give you a better academic education but they also
now have a reputation for liberal and PC brainwashing. I have a friend whose
son just wrote a book on the subject: "Brainwashed: How Universities
Indoctrinate America's Youth" by Ben Shapiro. I've read it and it's a very
good book. He documents the goings on at many different schools and how they
try to indoctrinate the students. [...]40_1Jan200609:05:26-0500larry@BECKFORCE.COM 118 196 19_Re: more on college0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:32:25 EST404_US-ASCII Regarding graduate TAs versus professors: I am only repeating much of what I
have heard from parents in both face to face meetings in our homeschool
umbrella oversight program geared to homeschool high school students and in on-line
groups. This is the experience of many parents and their children as reported
to me in these forums. I am just distilling their experience here. [...]36_1Jan200612:32:25ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 315 112 12_Re: college?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Sun, 1 Jan 2006 12:44:15 EST418_US-ASCII In a message dated 12/31/05 2:00:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> When we started
> homeschooling, one of the activities I organized for my kids were field
> trips to see businesses that people had started on their dining room
> tables - I wanted my kids to have a model of work in their minds that went
> beyond just getting a job in a big company.
> [...]36_1Jan200612:44:15ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 428 57 14_Re: book title0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Sun, 1 Jan 2006 18:07:30 EST772_US-ASCII http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/002-5447796-7323239?url=index%3Dblended&field-keywords=learning+outside+the+box&Go.x=10&Go.y=12

here's the link for a page which contains the listing for Learning outside
the lines: Two Ivy league, etc.

also on this page is learning outside the box which is a great book about
learning options for high school, including homeschooling. very good reading.

Rena in Baltimore

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Baltimore Jewish Times (www.jewishtimes.com)

See two particular paragraphs, the one about a Hillel which is predominantly
Orthodox students, seemingly to the detriment of other "denominations" who
wish to participate in campus life in a meaningful jewish way, and the last
paragraph, which is about resume building. [...]36_1Jan200618:26:44ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 842 23 26_New Elementary mathematics12_Caryn Lipson24_caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM30_Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:58:18 -0500554_iso-8859-1 Hi All,

Does anyone have a copy of New Elementary Mathematics 1 that they don't need
anymore? Also teacher's manual and textbook solution manual?

Caryn

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> You need to know your
>own child.

This is true, but it's also true that many parents don't really know
their children once they are teens -- although I think homeschooling
parents know their kids better than most -- and they especially don't
know how their children might fare with keeping up the family's
standards once they are on their own. Freedom tests kids in
surprising ways, and "good" kids can do really, really stupid (and
dangerous) things when they get their first taste of independence. I
was a [...]43_3Jan200616:08:41-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 940 85 12_Re: college?11_Nechama Cox20_nechama@BOREALIS.COM30_Tue, 3 Jan 2006 21:12:33 -0500587_us-ascii It probably did not hurt Bezos to have gone to Princeton.

>I heard Jeff Bezos, from Amazon.com, on a talk show once, talking
>about the early days of Amazon. He was talking about packing
>shipping boxes while on hands and knees on a concrete floor in a
>little storage space they had rented (not even a warehouse!) And one
>of his friends said, do you know what we need that would make this
>job easier? and Jeff replied: Knee pads? And his friend laughed and
>said, no, silly! a packing table!!! Jeff Bezos was laughing as he
>was telling this [...]41_3Jan200621:12:33-0500nechama@BOREALIS.COM 1026 46 17_Kehot online sale15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:06:24 -0800440_iso-8859-1 BS"D

I remember a couple of weeks ago someone recommended the cd "A New Day" with the shacharit service taught in song from www.kehotonline.com. Just wanted to give everyone a heads' up that they are having a 50% off-sale until January 9th. It includes a lot of different items.

They also have a "Jewish Educators" section which includes some very nice books with craft/activity ideas for parashot and chagim. [...]39_6Jan200612:06:24-0800drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 1073 30 24_amazing Jewish web guide6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 7 Jan 2006 23:37:31 -0700548_US-ASCII Hello all. Just on line late at night (when I really should be sleeping!).
But it was worth it to find this gem.
http://kehillatisrael.net/docs/links_data.html

Links to everything Jewish under the sun, including curriculum resources!

Also, the Kehot Publishers sale is very worth looking at. Thanks Nicole for
letting us know about that one. There is an especially good CD available
called The Talking Tehillim. A must for children and adults who want to
learn correct pronunciation. www.kehot-online.com [...]41_7Jan200623:37:31-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 1104 37 10_Letting Go14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Sun, 8 Jan 2006 10:48:33 -0600639_ISO-8859-1 The recent thread on college got me to thinking. Some list members
recommended different colleges or different approaches based on which
ones would keep "harmful influences" from their kids.
Something about that approach bothered me.
We are not speaking about grade school, where I think trying to control
the environment is certainly a positive thing. Nor about junior high,
nor about high school, where I think there is still room for such a
thing. The discussion for the most part deals with people 18 years old
and more. If we feel the need to moderate and control our children's
environment [...]48_8Jan200610:48:33-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 1142 79 14_Re: Letting Go8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Sun, 8 Jan 2006 11:59:35 -0500444_US-ASCII Well, I think a lot of people feel that as long as the child is
dependant on the parents, it is up to the parents to make those kind of
decisions. If they want to live their own lives and experiment and make
their own choices, then they should take full responsibility for
themselves as adults. Being in charge of one's own life is the
prerogative of adults and it carries with it the associated
responsibility. [...]39_8Jan200611:59:35-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 1222 28 14_Re: Letting Go10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET30_Sun, 8 Jan 2006 09:17:16 -0800621_iso-8859-1 Great question!

College is a very tricky time, especially if the kid is far from home. In
addition to all the academic pressures, the social pressures can be intense
and can push kids into behaviors that would otherwise be repellent to them -
drugs, drinking, sex. It's also a time and place where many people meet
their spouses. I'd prefer that my kids end up in schools where the social
pressures are as benign as possible and where they are surrounded by as many
potential Jewish spouses as possible. Beyond that, I hope my kids become
increasingly independent during those [...]35_8Jan200609:17:16-0800zara@HAIMO.NET 1251 73 14_Re: Letting Go18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM30_Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:19:00 -0500544_us-ascii bs'd

My experience in our kehilla is that young teens start coming
to the Rav's shiurim and are encouraged by both their parents
and the Rav to discuss their issues with the Rav. This usually
is about school issues for teens, but could be about specific
mitzvot. The teen is expected to develop his/her own sense of
when to discuss issues with the Rav -- it could be 'hashkafa'
rather than a specific 'shaila'. This way the teen is shown
of model of how to take responsibility for his/her own conduct. [...]40_8Jan200612:19:00-0500bdickman@LUCENT.COM 1325 281 27_Re: Letting go? (long post)0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:09:36 EST582_US-ASCII BINGO! Nail on the head.

here is what my weekend was like:
I have a DD, who is struggling with a chronic health problem. She has been
encouraged both my parents and medical personnel to educate herself as much as
possible about her situation, and take responsibility for it. I am not as
fluent as she is about all the medications she is taking (I know which ones, but
not necessarily how many milligrams or how many times a day she takes things,
though I am well aware and on the lookout regarding side effects). She is
responsible for her [...]36_9Jan200611:09:36ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 1607 74 34_Re: letting go - another long post13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:31:28 -0800571_iso-8859-1 I have lots of thoughts on this topic, as I have come increasingly to feel that most kids need to be sheltered more than they are.

Firstly, letting go isn't a one time deal when kids go to college; it is a process that occurs over time. Young children are given choices and opportunities to do things on their own, and if they choose wisely/act responsibly, they graduate to the next opportunity. If they get stuck at that level, then they get more same level type opportunities to develop their sense of right and wrong. (A small example would be [...]43_9Jan200621:31:28-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 1682 114 15_Re: letting go?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:20:20 EST435_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/10/06 1:59:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> Rena gave some examples in her post of issues of letting go that she has
> recently dealt with, and they were all well handled. But I, being a very
> different person, would have probably done the exact opposite in every situation
> she outlined, and that would have been right for me and my family!
>
> [...]37_11Jan200600:20:20ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 1797 26 19_letting go...refuah15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 11 Jan 2006 07:26:28 -0700680_- Rena,

May Hashem send your son refuah sheleimah.

Blessings,
Michelle

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Refuah shlemah to your son Rena.
I am very happy I do not have to think about college for while.
I have a question about what kind of handwriting did any of you use and
which would you recommend. When I was growing up in Europe our handwriting
was quite elaborate to the point that my now husband, could not read my
letters when we were dating. So my 6year old son wants to learn cursive and
to be honest the one that comes in our Calvert program is kind of odd. All
the capital letters are basically [...]48_11Jan200615:36:42-0700bara@BTGENTERPRISESINC.COM 1857 55 35_Re: Off current topic - handwriting14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:00:57 -0600582_iso-8859-1 Hi Bara,

I'm using a cursive curriculum (K5) from ABEKA for my soon to be 5 y.o. It
is a christian organization but you can filter most things without a problem
and I have yet to see any religious undertones to anything in the
handwriting section. ABEKA starts K5 with writing the lower case vowels
then moves to lower case consonants ( we're only in the second six weeks at
this point ). To my pleasant surprise, my son is doing well especially
after the first six weeks which were slowly worked through. I think the
cursive is nice and [...]45_11Jan200620:00:57-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 1913 28 7_cursive15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:01:23 -0700331_- Hi Bara,

My son learned the Calvert cursive back when we were using it. At 11, he
really has beautiful writing. With my daughter (7), I showed her different
writing styles to pick from and she picked Getty-Dubay. She is using the D
book now and connecting the italics; it's also very nice...like caligraphy. [...]47_11Jan200621:01:23-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 1942 63 16_Kids and company19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM29_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:39:09 GMT521_- Hi
We are celebrating the upsherin of my son this Sunday and the whole family is very excited about the upcoming party. Some family members are coming in from out of town over the weekend, to add to all the fun, and we are very much looking forward. I have not been able to get to our regular work over the last week, being busy with alot of preparations for our guests. While I know that the kids can and do learn from everything, the knowledge that I barely had time to sit with them is not sitting well with [...]39_12Jan200604:39:09GMTmalkiadler@JUNO.COM 2006 107 15_Re: Handwriting0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:16:13 EST615_US-ASCII Yes, Bara, the handwriting trend nowadays is to have clean, clear, crisp,
uncluttered handwriting.

we have used 2 different handwriting programs because I have twins, who
respond differently to different materials.

We started out with The Getty-Dubay Italic handwriting series of workbooks.
they start with print and then progress to cursive.

One of the children did not respond well to this program, and on the
recommendation of an occupational therapist, we switched this child to Handwriting
without Tears. Also starts with print and then progresses to cursive. [...]37_12Jan200610:16:13ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 2114 58 35_Re: Off current topic - handwriting12_david horesh20_dhoresh@HOTBREAD.NET31_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:42:45 -0600604_US-ASCII Hi,
We use Calvert curriculum for everything BUT the handwriting curriculum. It
doesn't seem to connect with my kids very well. We have taught 2 of our kids
using the D'Nealen script. There are lots of different workbooks out there
that teach it. It builds very nicely from a print system that is lightly
slanted and in which all letters have tails (eventually used to connect in
cursive). My daughter caught on early and has been writing in cursive since
1st grade. My son is just beginning the use the cursive now, but his print
is absolutely beautiful. Good luck [...]42_12Jan200609:42:45-0600dhoresh@HOTBREAD.NET 2173 90 46_Re: Off current topic - looking for math books12_Caryn Lipson24_caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM31_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:18:56 -0500524_iso-8859-1 Hi,

Does anyone have Singapore math books which they are no longer using,
specifically 4th grade and up and New Elementary Mathematics 1, which
focuses on Algebra. Also, if anyone has any Shiller math books for same,
they would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Caryn

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Off current topic - handwriting [...]46_12Jan200609:18:56-0500caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM 2264 157 20_Re: Kids and company14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:12:32 -0500643_iso-8859-1 I have experience the same thing! I try to keep a "balanced" mentality and keep perspective. Perhaps we will make up work on Sundays or stretch a bit longer during the week. Also, I give my daughter a check list of independent work. Listening to parasha and story tapes, lots of indpendent reading, music and art activities. Having kids participate and be part of the planning and prep is also important.
We have to fight our perfectionism.
Evelyn
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Subject: [TORCH-D] Kids and company [...]40_12Jan200614:12:32-0500ek2000@COMCAST.NET 2422 65 13_parasha tapes12_Emily Coplon22_emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:39:10 -0500576_ISO-8859-1 What Torah/Parasha tapes do people use? for what ages?
Thanks,
Emily

On 1/12/06, Evelyn Krieger wrote:
>
> Listening to parasha and story tapes, lots of indpendent reading, music
> and art activities.
>
>

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I know what you mean about feeling too lax - I've grappled with this
at times as well. Now that the kids are older and like to know they
are accomplishing what they should be academically, I tell them we are
having vacation at times like these. (I just did this for the week of
Chanuka and the week preceding it.) That makes it official for them, and
they don't feel we are slacking off since I have obviously made a
conscious choice and announcement about it. I then tell them my
expectations of what we will [...]44_12Jan200620:22:22-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2589 57 17_Re: parasha tapes6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:54:33 -0700515_US-ASCII We use and LOVE Rabbi Burston. I have his complete tape list and ordering
infor for anyone who is interested.

Shoshana Z.

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for?
EMily

On 1/13/06, Zohari wrote:
>
> We use and LOVE Rabbi Burston. I have his complete tape list and ordering
> infor for anyone who is interested.
>
> Shoshana Z.
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> [...]44_13Jan200614:24:51-0500emily.coplon@GMAIL.COM 2747 98 17_Re: parasha tapes14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:29:14 +0200519_us-ascii We love these too...my kids have been listening to R.Burston tapes for
around 6 years (can it be that long?). My son is now 11 and 1/2 and
still loves it when we get new tapes/CDs. He does use some Yiddish
words, like "kindelach" but I think it's pretty easy to catch on even if
they're not household words. What else is great about these is that
they're only around $5 each which is so much nicer than the $12 plus you
pay at most Judaica stores for story tapes.
Shavua tov,
Laya [...]39_14Jan200618:29:14+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 2846 65 12_Re: Tehillim12_caryn lipson24_caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM31_Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:10:52 +0000697_- Please add my uncle's name when saying Tehillim - Avraham Pinchas Halevi ben
Mindel.

Thanks.

Caryn

>From: Emily Coplon
>Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] parasha tapes
>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:24:51 -0500
>
>I would like to see the list and ordering info. What ages do you think it
>is
>for?
>EMily
>
>On 1/13/06, Zohari wrote:
> >
> > We use and LOVE Rabbi Burston. I have his complete tape list and
>ordering
> > infor for anyone who is interested.
> >
> > Shoshana Z.
> >
> >
[...]46_15Jan200600:10:52+0000caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM 2912 57 17_Re: parasha tapes14_Devora Farrell22_dfarrell@EXECUFIND.COM31_Sun, 15 Jan 2006 07:21:50 -0500600_iso-8859-1 We enjoy the R. Burston tapes. We also enjoy R. Juravel tapes. He addresses each parsha as well as separate tapes on each Yom Tov, Shabbos, Tzedakah, Eliyahu HaNavi, and others. My 5 yo listens to these each day, and I pick up new information from them as well...

Devora

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what age group are they for? I found them on the The Jewish Learning Group
website.

Thank you,
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My name is Yael Leschiner and I am new to the list, so I would like to introduce myself.

My husband Michael and I have twins (boy and girl) who just turned five and next year they are
going into kindergarden

So next year we plan to send them to a Montessorish ;-) charter
school and do Jewish subjects at home. If it goes well I would like to
continue the same for 1st and 2nd grade at least. Then I'll reevaluate (this
plan is subject to change, you know ;-) [...]43_16Jan200601:23:40-0500katyael@OPTONLINE.NET 3125 30 27_off-list question for Larry15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:15:52 -0700567_- Larry,

There is someone at our shul...not Jewish.....who hschools and wants to
convert with her family. She is not working with a rabbi, so not on any
conversion "track" at this time. I didn't know what the list policy is
about subscribing for non-Jews, not in the active conversion process.
Please inform me.

Thank you,
Michelle

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They have been home with me, starting in Kindergarten. It can be done! And it
can be done for secular too....don't discount it. I have found that it is
actually easier to do the secular stuff than it is to do the Judaics, since a lot
of secular stuff is just "picked up". However, the Judaic stuff has to be
taught, with intention and conviction, which is the way it is supposed to be.
Yes, some of it is "picked up" by osmosis too, but [...]37_17Jan200608:46:52ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 3217 177 18_Re: list policies?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:08:10 EST449_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/17/06 1:59:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> There is someone at our shul...not Jewish.....who hschools and wants to
> convert with her family. She is not working with a rabbi, so not on any
> conversion "track" at this time. I didn't know what the list policy is
> about subscribing for non-Jews, not in the active conversion process.
> Please inform me.
>
> [...]37_17Jan200609:08:10ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 3395 27 12_Re: Tehillim12_Caryn Lipson24_caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:56:46 -0500535_iso-8859-1 Please remove my uncle's name when saying Tehillim - Avraham Pinchas Halevi
ben
> Mindel, A"H.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Caryn
>
>
>

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To unsubscribe email: TORCH-D-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG46_17Jan200620:56:46-0500caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM 3423 31 11_list policy15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:18:24 -0700558_- Hi Rena,

I agree with everything you wrote. I'm not really "friends" with this
woman, although I've had the family for Shabbes lunch a few times. They are
adamant that they want to make aliyah and convert in Israel. I have tried
to explain that it is better to be a Jew first and then go, but that is my
opinion and maybe it is done her way and I just don't know that much about
it. I'm not entirely comfortable with them (something in my kishkes), but I
don't really think they are undercover or anything....just very naive. [...]47_17Jan200621:18:24-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 3455 85 16_Re: new members?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:57:37 EST439_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/18/06 2:01:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> They are
> adamant that they want to make aliyah and convert in Israel. I have tried
> to explain that it is better to be a Jew first and then go, but that is my
> opinion and maybe it is done her way and I just don't know that much about
> it. I'm not entirely comfortable with them (something in my kishkes), [...]37_18Jan200610:57:37ESTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 3541 74 16_Re: new members?15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:29:11 -0700510_- Rena,

Yes, you are right again. They are looking for a short-cut or way to "beat
the system." They don't want to move into a community because they live way
out in a rural area and prefer that. All well and good, if you don't want
to convert to orthodox Judaism. They seem to hate Xtians with a passion
(they just came out of that) and claim gentiles are like animals. So I
asked if she herself was human (couldn't resist) , and she replied,
"barely." That was pretty shocking. [...]47_18Jan200613:29:11-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 3616 46 15_Re: list policy10_Louise Fox20_louise@JOSHUAFOX.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 22:35:29 +0200524_ISO-8859-1 Speaking from Israel - it makes much more sense to convert first and
make aliyah second. Firstly, because the conversion process can be
easier in the US, and the process would be in their native language. And
secondly because you can't "make aliyah" unless you are Jewish, and they
wouldn't get the benefits package that new olim get, if they're not
Jewish when they arrive in Israel. That can make a big financial
difference, as well as being able culturally to fit in once they got here. [...]42_18Jan200622:35:29+0200louise@JOSHUAFOX.COM 3663 113 16_Re: new members?8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:33 -0500722_us-ascii Well, at this point I doubt they'd feel comfortable joining the list,
after all these things have been discussed! Browsing the archives might
be a little embarrassing!

-Shoshi

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf
>Of Michelle Miller
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 PM
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] new members?
>
>Rena,
>
>Yes, you are right again. They are looking for a short-cut or way to
"beat
>the system." They don't want to move into a community because they
live
>way
>out in a rural area and prefer that. All well and good, if you don't
[...]40_18Jan200616:34:33-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 3777 63 16_Re: new members?14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:04:26 -0600369_iso-8859-1 I think people like this are a bit confused and need as much chessed as we
can give. I don't think it's healthy or Torah like to HATE goyim but we
should definitely to not do as they do, which is different than hating them.
IMHO

~ Mandy

( who has had many battles and "peace talks" with Xtian family members and
acquaintances) [...]45_18Jan200616:04:26-0600sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 3841 135 16_Re: new members?15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:24:08 -0700805_- I thought about that, but they don't know anything about the list
specifically (name, archives). Enough said though:)
michelle

>From: S Sloman
>Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] new members?
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:33 -0500
>
>Well, at this point I doubt they'd feel comfortable joining the list,
>after all these things have been discussed! Browsing the archives might
>be a little embarrassing!
>
>-Shoshi
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
>Behalf
> >Of Michelle Miller
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:29 PM
> >To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> >Subject: Re: [...]47_18Jan200615:24:08-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 3977 110 16_Re: new members?18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:27:48 -0500709_windows-1252 Rena, Michelle,

Sounds like they may want to consider Bnei Noach status.
If they're happy becoming Bnei Noach, they may not need
to become Jewish.

Perhaps you could mention to them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bnei_Noach
and this website mentioned on Vendyl Jones website:
http://www.lightcatcherbooks.com/

There must be other Bnei Noach websites. I know there
are congregations in the U.S.

kol tuv,
Benzion Dickman

On 1/18/2006 3:29 PM, Michelle Miller wrote:
> Rena,
>
> Yes, you are right again. They are looking for a short-cut or way to "beat
> the system." They don't want to move into a community because they live [...]41_18Jan200617:27:48-0500bdickman@LUCENT.COM 4088 61 12_Re: tehillim0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM29_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:55:19 EST566_US-ASCII In a message dated 1/18/06 2:01:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> Avraham Pinchas Halevi
> ben
> > Mindel, A"H.
>

Boruch dayan emes. May the family have no more tzaar, only simchas.

Rena

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Caryn Lipson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Tehillim

> Please remove my uncle's name when saying Tehillim - Avraham Pinchas
> Halevi
> ben
>> Mindel, A"H.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Caryn
>>
>>
>>
>
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> [...]41_18Jan200612:18:04-0700renaweisman@COX.NET 4198 120 16_Re: new members?9_OOPsMaven17_OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:42:34 -0800600_iso-8859-1 bs"d

I'm not technically a new member because I joined back in August 2004 but
I've only lurked, never posted or introduced myself. This might not be the
*best* place to just jump in and start posting, but it's a topic that I have
some special knowledge about and feel compelled to share.

Briefly first (ha ha, okay, as brief as I can be!), I have 4 children, 3
grown up and a 3 year old, as well as 2 grandchildren. My kids have been to
Montessori schools and/or Montessori daycares, secular schools, "community"
day schools and orthodox day schools, [...]39_18Jan200615:42:34-0800OOPsMaven@SHAW.CA 4319 209 16_Re: new members?8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:26:39 -0500765_us-ascii I just want to comment that while many listmembers prefer the less
structured approach, there are plenty who like structure. Some even buy
packaged curricula that lay everything out for them. So no one need
feel shy about posting, whatever their particular "orientation" to
homeschooling.

-Shoshana

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf
>Of OOPsMaven
>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:43 PM
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] new members?
>
>bs"d
>
>I'm not technically a new member because I joined back in August 2004
but
>I've only lurked, never posted or introduced myself. This might not be
the
[...]40_18Jan200620:26:39-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 4529 65 17_Structure or Not?24_Silvert Torah Homeschool26_torahhomeschool@CSINET.NET31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:03:16 -0600582_us-ascii B"H
Howdy All & Welcome Newbies,
Just wanted to point out that there are EVEN those frum hsing families who
are so UNSTRUCTURED (& not neccessarily by choice) that some kids keep a
swing shift while others stay "on nights" for weeks at a time...need I
mention that no curriculum works with these types? Anyway, long time since
I've posted, but I wanted to point out how "out there" some of us (or at
least my family) are. BTW, things vis-a-vis my kids are going quite well;
they're learning ALL the time & still very frum (my kids would be
[...]48_18Jan200621:03:16-0600torahhomeschool@CSINET.NET 4595 46 21_Re: Structure or Not?12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Wed, 18 Jan 2006 23:34:59 -0500708_us-ascii Devorah Yael,

I just wanted to say WOW!!!!!! What an amazing bunch of kids you have!!

Also, refuah shelaimah to you,
Yael

>(I am learning all the time
>thanks to the efforts of
>Jared, 14, Looking more & more like he'll lose his Asperger label
>soon, video gamer extraordinaire, rifle marksman, legomaniac, rocket
>builder & beginning photographer
>Mirjana, 13, profoundly autistic & blind, singer, 4-H dog project
>member & Grand Champion 2005 County 4-H Decorations Project (she did
>a Rosh Hashana centerpiece)
>Rani, 11.5, possessing the gift of ADD, Reserve Champion County 4-H
>Drawing, Champion County 4-H Misc.Crafts, beginning fabric [...]44_18Jan200623:34:59-0500njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 4642 62 36_homeschooling teleconference details13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:47:25 -0800608_iso-8859-1 I received this message today from a friend who thought others on the list would enjoy this, as she has benefitted from it the past days of the teleconference. I hope that some of you will receive this message in time for it to be helpful.

Avivah

I thought our homeschooling list might like to know that today at 2pm
EST is
going to be a homeschooling teleconference. The speaker will be
speaking
about The Sucess Principal for Parents and Children. Then at 3pm EST
someone
will be speaking about Goal Getter Experience. I think, (not sure) that
you
can [...]44_19Jan200609:47:25-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 4705 63 36_Good WEb Resource for Learning Verbs16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:28:29 -0500476_us-ascii http://www.hebrew-verbs.co.il

Learn Hebrew verbs is a free, on-line, educational resource
containing 300 Hebrew verbs conjugated in all tenses
(past, present, future, imperative).
The site menu provides selection by one tense or all tenses;
gender or both genders; singular and/or plural.
For your convenience, you can choose a Hebrew or English
menu to navigate the site. You dont need Hebrew fonts (Since
the website uses Graphics) [...]39_19Jan200609:28:29-0500rjhendel@JUNO.COM 4769 127 21_Re: Structure or Not?14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Sun, 22 Jan 2006 06:16:10 +0200592_us-ascii Dear Devorah Yael,
Thanks for your post. This group is amazing because there are so many
approaches and each one is an inspiration to me. I'm somewhere on the
map... somewhere between unschooling with some curriculum, and doing life
as best we can with the resources we have. Not that I've mastered this,
but on my recent flight to the US to visit parents, finally had a
conversation where the person (nice Israeli lady) shook her head and told
me how very important school is--and I just answered her with a smile
that I know there are people who don't [...]39_22Jan200606:16:10+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 4897 90 40_Re: Good WEb Resource for Learning Verbs14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:16:36 -0500725_iso-8859-1 Thanks Russell! This is a very helpful site.
Evelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell J Hendel
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: [TORCH-D] Good WEb Resource for Learning Verbs

http://www.hebrew-verbs.co.il

Learn Hebrew verbs is a free, on-line, educational resource
containing 300 Hebrew verbs conjugated in all tenses
(\

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Between Shilo & Turmos Ayya
http://dialog2006.blogspot.com/

A Jewish "Settler" resident of the modern Jewish community of Shilo which grew up beside the site of ancient Biblical Shilo exchanges email messages with an Arab, resident of the village of Turmosayya, located in the valley beneath Shilo. Is there a place for true dialog between the two? [...]41_22Jan200611:11:40-0800barbmazor@YAHOO.COM 5041 138 21_Re: Structure or Not?24_Silvert Torah Homeschool26_torahhomeschool@CSINET.NET31_Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:14:28 -0600599_us-ascii B"H
I really would appreciate your prayers... parnossa is also a big concern
right now...we're in horrific financial shape...my Hebrew name is Devorah
Yael Bas Sorah Imonu and my husband is Michoel Ben Batsheva. I love
licorice root tea. And I also find myself often just smiling when others
opine to me about the merits of schooling. It saves on a good deal of my
limited energy. If I'm then pushed, I won't necessarily agree, but I'll
often say something, rather wistfully, to the effect that I often wish
school were a good fit for my children, but since it [...]48_22Jan200623:14:28-0600torahhomeschool@CSINET.NET 5180 37 15_OT: new website6_Zohari20_najova@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:28:38 -0700410_US-ASCII Dear Friends,

In addition to homeschooling our kids, my husband Nachshon and I have spent
the past few months working on a website to promote his workshops,
counseling, etc.

Nachshon is a great combination of Torah-observant Jew, homeschooling
parent, attachment father, nature lover, gifted speaker, and effective
therapist. (Can you tell I'm just a bit proud of him?) [...]42_27Jan200612:28:38-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 5218 22 19_Re: OT: new website14_Evelyn Krieger18_ek2000@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 28 Jan 2006 20:13:49 -0500554_iso-8859-1 Y'asher Koach. I signed up for the newsletter. I would love to hear more
about your homeschooling experiences.
Evelyn
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Maybe the list is just quiet or the moderators busy, but I haven't gotten
anything from the list since 1/22 Could someone please check? I know I
don't post much, but I sure do miss y'all! Kol Tuv,
Devorah Yael et al

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> B"H
> Maybe the list is just quiet or the moderators busy, but I haven't gotten
> anything from the list since 1/22 Could someone please check? I know I
> don't post much, but I sure do miss y'all! Kol Tuv,
> Devorah Yael et al [...]42_30Jan200614:23:42-0700najova@EARTHLINK.NET 5292 27 11_Quiet List?14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:31:32 -0600374_ISO-8859-1 Actually we have been having one of the best discussions ever, replete
with witty banter, light-hearted insults, intriguing stories, psak
halakha from major figures in the Torah world, and cogent advice for
better living. The moderators just decided that you two weren't up to
the calibre of discussion and made sure you didnt receive any of it. [...]49_30Jan200615:31:32-0600billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 5320 57 13_New Listowner8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:43:56 -0500480_US-ASCII Since Bill has outed himself, I would just like to announce that he has
graciously accepted the responsibility of taking over ownership of
torch-d. As you know, I have been looking for someone to assume that
role, as I have taken on other projects that require my time and
attention. Bill has been familiarizing himself with the various tasks
involved for a few weeks now, and as soon as he is completely
comfortable, I will quietly fade away. . . [...]40_30Jan200616:43:56-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 5378 60 15_Re: Quiet List?13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 30 Jan 2006 19:45:02 -0800521_iso-8859-1 Yep, things have been quiet, and I have briefly thought about why that is. My personal reason is that I have shared my tremendous wisdom and insights over the years and have none left to share :).

But for those who care (and those who don't :)), here is what the Werners are doing this week:
- older girls finished building chicken coop Sun. - spent 7 hours at farm
- math club on Mon. and visit to library
- a trip to DC on Tues. for a tour of the Asian art gallery
- a read a thon to [...]44_30Jan200619:45:02-0800avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 5439 30 22_Re: Quiet--Some noise!16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Mon, 30 Jan 2006 22:51:33 -0500556_us-ascii Hi Since things are quiet I thought I would mention that I am giving a 6
week course on Rashi and his methods. Therefore I will write a short
pamphlet on the subject (It will be web based and of course free). The
booklet can be used by any age level (I originally joined torch d because
of my experience with Teaching Rashi in a homeschooling environment -- I
wrote 400 pages of Q&As). The booklet will
- introduce several major rules
- provide punchy examples
- show the reader the wide applicability of the examples [...]39_30Jan200622:51:33-0500rjhendel@JUNO.COM