1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d August 2005 2 39 9_Re: intro15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:09:09 -0400658_ISO-8859-1 Hi, Leah, and welcome!
I think you'll find a lot of familiar names here. At last count, there were 4 of us with girls on your editorial board...
Wendy in Miami
( AKA Esti's mom)
>
> From: Leah Larson
> Date: 2005/07/31 Sun AM 10:49:31 EDT
> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> Subject: [TORCH-D] intro
>
> Hi, I just joined this list. My name is Leah Larson and I'm 14 and from MA.
> I'll be homeschooling next year for 9th grade.
> Leah
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Welcome. Where in Massachusetts are you.
You can learn alot here. YOu can also share.
Have you done homeschooling before or is this your first time
Russell Hendel; http://www.Rashiyomi.com/

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The Mishnah probably obtained its ideas from the construction of the Menorah ===symbolically the Menorah outlines the education of children 1-18. I have gone thru the symbolism several times. Read Rav Hirsch on Menorah in Terumah.

Piaget simply said that children learn in stages and the stages are sequential. In fact we know that human brains dont have certain abstract capacity till certain ages. So 15 for Talmud simply means that before 15 that capacity to perform logical analysis si not fully developed (and that is true and agreed to by everyone) [...]37_31Jul200522:13:40GMTrjhendel@JUNO.COM 88 45 9_Re: intro11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:24:27 -0400334_us-ascii Hi, I also just joined this list. I am from Jacksonville, Florida and
will be home schooling my daughter this year, who is entering the 7th
grade. This is my first year and I am very concerned. I hope that I
will receive plenty of support from this site. Everyone should have a
wonderful school year.
Amy [...]42_31Jul200520:24:27-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 134 64 9_Re: intro14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:20:27 +0300592_ISO-8859-1 Welcome to the list!

What is this "school year" you speak of? Leave behind your old life with
its old categories. Here, we learn all the time!

Malkie

Amy Mizrahi wrote:
> Hi, I also just joined this list. I am from Jacksonville, Florida and
> will be home schooling my daughter this year, who is entering the 7th
> grade. This is my first year and I am very concerned. I hope that I
> will receive plenty of support from this site. Everyone should have a
> wonderful school year.
> Amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [...]45_1Aug200523:20:27+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 199 39 9_Re: INtro17_No Name Available23_meadowqueen@COMCAST.NET30_Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:49:51 -0400755_iso-8859-1 I'm in Sharon, MA. This is my first year.
Leah
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> Leah
> Welcome. Where in Massachusetts are you.
> You can learn alot here. YOu can also share.
> Have you done homeschooling before or is this your first time
> Russell Hendel; http://www.Rashiyomi.com/
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> an online MA in Jewish Studies, [...]44_1Aug200521:49:51-0400meadowqueen@COMCAST.NET 239 35 9_Re: INtro17_rjhendel@juno.com17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM28_Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:04:11 GMT478_- Leah
You are in Sharon. An interesting community.
I lived there for a while.
My first time there was for an "emergency" leining
The orthodox minyan was in the basement of the conservative
synagogue.

Then I lived there a few years ...so I actually watched the
community grow. I also watched the education grow.

This is relevant to the whole group because Sharon does not
look like it started in the basement of a conservative synagogue. [...]36_2Aug200515:04:11GMTrjhendel@JUNO.COM 275 269 32_Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:59:36 -0500642_US-ASCII It's great to see homeschooling kids like Leah Larson becoming active,
getting involved, and taking responsibility for their education.

However, Torch-d is meant as a support and resource group specifically
for parents, to discuss things of concern to them as they deal with
homeschooling challenges of various kinds. We have never had a clear
policy about whether to allow kids on the list, because it hasn't come
up before. But after doing some thinking about it, I have decided that
having kids or teens on the list (however mature and responsible they
are) would benefit neither the kids nor the [...]39_2Aug200514:59:36-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 545 95 25_feedback on hsing article13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:12:26 -0700563_iso-8859-1 I posted the article I wrote for our local publication a few weeks ago, and said I would let you know what the response was.

I got lots of positive comments from homeschoolers, didn't hear much personally otherwise. However, there was a letter to the editor that just came out in the following issue that I thought you would all find interesting. If any of you feel so inclined, you are welcome to respond to the points she made for the magazine (we have had responses on a number of occasions from people out of state or country), and can [...]43_2Aug200516:12:26-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 641 141 29_Re: feedback on hsing article18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM30_Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:56:58 -0400614_us-ascii bs'd

> The mishna in Pirkei Avos states, "Al tifrosh min
> hatzibur - do not separate yourself from the community".
This 'dictum' is something that is normally considered when
making decisions. Unless one has a good reason, one should
not act in a way different from the majority of the Torah
community in the town. So, yes, if one has a sh'eila about
schooling at home, one should consult with one's posek.
He should be able to properly balance all sides of the question
including "Chanokh l'na`ar `al pi darko" and the needs of the
family. This "Chanokh 'l'na`ar" [...]40_2Aug200519:56:58-0400bdickman@LUCENT.COM 783 305 29_Re: feedback on hsing article17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU30_Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:00:37 -0400591_us-ascii I am with you in not liking anonymous letters. I would not be
responding in this manner if the letter had been signed, but I think
one anonymous turn deserves another.
Chana

Dear Aym Beyisrael,
Your letter to the editor was beautifully written and very
convincing. However, I strongly believe that a big mistake is being
made. True, on the surface, there are many reasons to go along with
what others are doing. However, an important dictum must be
remembered. The mishna in Pirkei Avos states " im ein ani li, mi li?
If I do not take care of [...]37_2Aug200521:00:37-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 1089 273 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:01:49 +0200672_us-ascii I love this idea Shoshana and Leah, I hope it happens.

Consider this encouragement!

Kol tuv, Laya

On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:59:36 -0500 S Sloman writes:
It’s great to see homeschooling kids like Leah Larson becoming active,
getting involved, and taking responsibility for their education.

However, Torch-d is meant as a support and resource group specifically
for parents, to discuss things of concern to them as they deal with
homeschooling challenges of various kinds. We have never had a clear
policy about whether to allow kids on the list, because it hasn’t come up
before. But after doing [...]38_3Aug200511:01:49+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 1363 114 18_Re: homeschooling?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:38:15 EDT539_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/3/05 1:57:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> This response is exactly like the one I got yesterday from my daughter's
> camp counselor. Don't take the kid out of camp if she is unhappy, make them
> stick it out, because otherwise you are giving up on the system and running
> away from your problems. What about being committed to our kids' welfare and
> what is truly in their best interest? Sometimes it seems like this is a
> foreign concept nowadays [...]36_3Aug200508:38:15EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 1478 105 18_Re: homeschooling?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:51:10 EDT599_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/3/05 1:57:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> May we all be zoche to raise our children to meet their full potential.
> Signed,
> Aym Habanim Smaycha
>

OOOOHHHH, I love it. and it occurs to me that the way you paraphrased the
letter to the editor made this interchange into a debate. The debate is the same
debate that is going in the Senate right now between Hillary Clinton and Rick
Santorum. Ms. Clinton wrote a book, "it takes a village to raise a child",
and Sen. Santorum wrote a book called "It [...]36_3Aug200508:51:10EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 1584 53 9_mazel tov13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:15:46 -0700404_iso-8859-1 Mazel tov to Chana S., whose oldest daughter recently got engaged and is getting married in a month!

(I would have written this to you privately, Chana, but I wanted everyone to be able to share in your simcha!)

May you have lots of continued nachas!

Love,

Avivah

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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [...]43_3Aug200507:15:46-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 1638 315 13_Re: mazel tov8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:18:33 -0500585_US-ASCII Wonderful news!

Shoshana Sloman

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Avivah Werner
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:16 AM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] mazel tov

Mazel tov to Chana S., whose oldest daughter recently got engaged and is
getting married in a month!
(I would have written this to you privately, Chana, but I wanted
everyone to be able to share in your simcha!)
May you have lots of continued nachas!
Love,
Avivah
_____ [...]39_3Aug200509:18:33-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 1954 67 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:47:49 -0700602_iso-8859-1 I started an email before that "ran away" and was sent
before I finished . . . sorry --

I have been thinking about this for a while without
reaching a conclusion. On the one hand, I think that
there is a benefit to parents communicating with
parents and children with children, but the issue is
not as clear when we are dealing with young adults.
It may instructive for homeschooling parents to get
the perspective of homeschooling (homeschooled is too
passive, I think) young adults. Sometimes we may deal
with topics that we feel we would not want a [...]44_3Aug200507:47:49-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 2022 105 29_Re: feedback on hsing article14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:59:29 -0700543_iso-8859-1 Chana --

This is a wonderful letter!

I have heard the "poresh min hatzibur" argument from
people who would not hesitate to send their son to a
different city for a better Yeshiva high-school --
somehow in those cases it is easier for people to
recognize that the educational and religious needs of
children trump the need for being part of the tzibur
in the sense of sending the child to the school the
"tzibur" sends a child to. (I don't believe that this
is truly "poresh min hatzibur") [...]44_3Aug200507:59:29-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 2128 83 18_Re: homeschooling?13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:18:15 -0700536_iso-8859-1 If you had been a fly, you might have been disappointed, Rena. I stopped wasting my time having discussions with people who don't have the background necessary to evaluate what I am saying accurately. Who wants to argue with a teenager? Especially when she is just expressing her opinion, which she is totally entitled to, and may or may not have thought through. I just told her that my kids have plenty of opportunities to do things they don't want to do every single day, and that's not what I send them to camp for. [...]43_3Aug200509:18:15-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 2212 216 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists23_Ephraim at Efrat Online23_ephraim@EFRATONLINE.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:03:04 +0200371_iso-8859-1 I respectfully disagree.

One of the reasons we are homeschooling is that we want our kids to be involved in the decision-making processes of life. "Mature and responsible" kids having access to this list can only benefit both the adults and the kids by giving them access to each other's views on this topic that is central to both of their lives. [...]44_3Aug200519:03:04+0200ephraim@EFRATONLINE.COM 2429 114 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists23_Ephraim at Efrat Online23_ephraim@EFRATONLINE.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:13:48 +0200454_iso-8859-1 I agree with Sigal.

I have set up a new list for Torah-centered homeschool parents AND kids (and grandparents and friends and rabbis...) at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/torah-homeschool

Leah, Sigal and anyone else who is interested is invited to become a moderator. Contact me at ephraim@efratonline.com

Everyone on this list who would like to be part of a list that allows "kids" to post is welcome to join. [...]44_3Aug200519:13:48+0200ephraim@EFRATONLINE.COM 2544 38 29_Re: feedback on hsing article17_Rachel Turniansky28_rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:19:21 -0400600_- >But now she came out very strongly that what really bothered
>her about the school was that they teach the Hebrew subjects
>too much by rote and don't let her get into *her* questions
>about the material.

This issue was brought up recently at a workshop I attended by Jews for
Judaism, an anti-missionary group. The director said that one of the
downfalls of Jewish education, regardless of denomination, is that we spend
so much time on the "what" of Jewish education, and very little on the
"why". His example was that every child is taught the brachos for food [...]49_3Aug200512:19:21-0400rachelturniansky@HOTMAIL.COM 2583 567 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:29:42 -0500582_US-ASCII I really appreciate everyone's input, and am glad people are expressing
opinions.

First I want the list to know that we have received both disagreement
and support for the decision.

The primary reason for this decision is that some of our discussion is
not appropriate for kids. The presence of kids/teens on the list would
inhibit our ability to discuss some kinds of concerns and experiences.
So out of respect for those who agree that they would prefer torch-d to
remain closed to kids, I think it's important to enforce the policy. [...]39_3Aug200511:29:42-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 3151 473 36_Re: Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:32:00 -0500681_US-ASCII Why quickly, though?

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Ephraim at Efrat Online
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:03 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] Homeschooling Kids/Parents Lists

I respectfully disagree.

One of the reasons we are homeschooling is that we want our kids to be
involved in the decision-making processes of life. "Mature and
responsible" kids having access to this list can only benefit both the
adults and the kids by giving them access to each other's views on this
topic that is central to both of their lives. [...]39_3Aug200511:32:00-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 3625 84 20_Re: parents and kids13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:37:07 -0700563_iso-8859-1 I can't speak for Shoshana, obviously, but I can speak for myself.

I totally support her decision. When I write a post sharing the concerns I have about raising my kids and various things that come up regarding homeschooling, I have no desire to have kids reading them - it feels inappropriate for me. You could justifiably say that I don't need to share those things, and you're right. But then there is no need for me to participate on a list like this, since I would be so constrained that there would be nothing much to share. The vast [...]43_3Aug200509:37:07-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 3710 103 13_Re: mazel tov14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:44:12 +0200562_us-ascii Mazal tov!! What great news, I'm happy we can share the simcha. May we
hear and have the zechut to participate in many, many simchas.

hugs and blessings,
Laya

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:15:46 -0700 Avivah Werner
writes:
Mazel tov to Chana S., whose oldest daughter recently got engaged and is
getting married in a month!
(I would have written this to you privately, Chana, but I wanted everyone
to be able to share in your simcha!)
May you have lots of continued nachas!
Love,
Avivah [...]38_3Aug200519:44:12+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 3814 99 20_Re: parents and kids15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:51:25 -0700658_- I would like to chime in that I would not be comfortable with kids on this
list. As you all know, I have shared some very adult oriented history here.
I have missed much of this thread, but that is the long and short of it
for me.

Michelle

>From: Avivah Werner
>Reply-To: Torah-Centered Homeschooling
>To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
>Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] parents and kids
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:37:07 -0700
>
>I can't speak for Shoshana, obviously, but I can speak for myself.
>
>I totally support her decision. When I write a post sharing the concerns I
[...]46_3Aug200519:51:25-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 3914 23 9_mazel tov15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:52:08 -0700651_- Mazel tov Channa. What fantastic news:)

Michelle

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Jewish/Israeli? martial art. I would assume they would teach from a Jewish
values perspective (i.e. do not take revenge) rather than an Eastern
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Does anyone know what it is called or where I can learn more about it?

Thanks,

Jamie

>...And this is why children should study martial arts.  When someone
>comes to hit you, you block and pin the attacker.
>No fight, just stop it! [...]39_4Aug200510:00:30-0400jamie@ALUM.MIT.EDU 4072 60 16_Re: Martial Arts8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:14:11 -0500768_US-ASCII There is apparently a modern form called Krav Maga
http://www.kravmaga.com/krav01.html. But, as it was explained to me, it
is Israeli (rather than Torah-based) and teaches to maximize hurting the
opponent!

Shoshana Sloman
Torch-d listowner

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Jamie Lichtenstein
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:01 AM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: [TORCH-D] Martial Arts

I remember hearing at one point that there is a (somewhat modern?)
Jewish/Israeli? martial art. I would assume they would teach from a
Jewish
values perspective (i.e. do not take revenge) rather than an Eastern
philosophy perspective. [...]39_4Aug200509:14:11-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 4133 50 57_Re: TORCH-D Digest - 2 Aug 2005 to 3 Aug 2005 (#2005-185)14_Bill Bernstein27_billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:04:56 -0500754_ISO-8859-1 LOL! I never realized that just a good ole phrase could get someone to
post. If it were all just that easy.
A frog-strangler is a torrential rain.
-Bill Bernstein,
who knows what it means when its raining while the sun is out.

Goldie Meyer wrote:

>
>
> Okay, I'm posting here for the first time after a long stretch of
> lurking, but the suspense is killing me:
>
> Bill Bernstein, what IS a frog-strangler?
>
> Goldie M.
>
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> - You care about security. [...]48_4Aug200509:04:56-0500billbernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 4184 72 16_Re: Martial Arts16_Avigayil Simpson26_avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:18:52 -0700452_iso-8859-1 Could it be what is called "krav magah"?

Avigayil

Jamie Lichtenstein wrote:
I remember hearing at one point that there is a (somewhat modern?)
Jewish/Israeli? martial art. I would assume they would teach from a Jewish
values perspective (i.e. do not take revenge) rather than an Eastern
philosophy perspective.

Does anyone know what it is called or where I can learn more about it? [...]47_4Aug200507:18:52-0700avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM 4257 68 16_Re: Martial Arts16_Avigayil Simpson26_avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:28:15 -0700416_iso-8859-1 http://www.zakai.com/km/

Jamie Lichtenstein wrote:I remember hearing at one point that there is a (somewhat modern?)
Jewish/Israeli? martial art. I would assume they would teach from a Jewish
values perspective (i.e. do not take revenge) rather than an Eastern
philosophy perspective.

Does anyone know what it is called or where I can learn more about it? [...]47_4Aug200507:28:15-0700avigayil_simpson@YAHOO.COM 4326 88 16_Re: Martial Arts15_Michelle Miller25_michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:34:18 -0700549_- They teach this a few blocks from me. Instructor is an observant Jew.
While they do have classes for kids 8-10, I feel this is more appropriate
for a post bar (or bat) mitzvah child....in line of a basic self defense
class. I think it would go along with learning how to use a gun (they don't
teach that of course). In today's world, a Jew has to be able to defend
themself. Having said that, we plan to teach our kids to avoid, if at all
possible, situations where these skills will need to be employed. They are
always [...]46_4Aug200507:34:18-0700michelletamar@HOTMAIL.COM 4415 107 16_Re: Martial Arts14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:06:46 +0200366_us-ascii I took a krav maga class for a while. The idea is self defense, just
like all the martial arts (I've been involved with other styles too).
i.e. effective, practical, street defense. This is not always what you
find in some of the other forms of martial arts. The unique thing in
Krav Maga is that there is no "bow" to a flag or instructor. [...]38_4Aug200518:06:46+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 4523 82 29_Re: feedback on hsing article14_MORIAH Chesler17_merilyn@ABSOL.COM30_Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:21:42 -0400308_- THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS OUT. I'VE HEARD A SIMILAR REASONING FROM SOME
OTHER SOURCE.

THE JEWS AT SINAI SAID 'NAASEH V'NISHMA' (WE WILL DO AND THEN WE WILL GO
STUDY WHY WE ARE DOING IT'.) SO, WE ARE GIVEN CREDIT TO DOING FIRST, AND
THEN IF WE GO STUDY WHY WE DO IT, THAT'S EVEN BETTER. [...]38_4Aug200512:21:42-0400merilyn@ABSOL.COM 4606 148 23_Re: child/parent lists?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:39:44 EDT571_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/4/05 1:59:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> In cases where the cooperative model is correct, then
> these young adults deal with many of the same issues
> as the parents do. (In fact, I feel that is true for
> most of our topics).
>
>

Sigal: You hit upon an important point. It is not this OR this, it is this
AND this. I know that for my 18 y.o. son, throughout his homeschooling years, I
had to have talks with him where I let him vent about the difficulties he had
[...]36_5Aug200508:39:44EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 4755 85 18_Re: fighting back?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 08:49:34 EDT433_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/4/05 1:59:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

> ...And this is why children should study martial arts. When someone comes
> to hit you, you block and pin the attacker. No fight, just stop it!
>
>

I can't agree more!! that is why our P.E. consists of twice weekly karate
classes for the past 2 years and my 9 y.o. boy/girl twins have green belts!! [...]36_5Aug200508:49:34EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 4841 75 17_Re: martial arts?0_17_RENALEVIN@AOL.COM28_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:03:58 EDT640_US-ASCII In a message dated 8/5/05 2:00:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

>
> There is apparently a modern form called Krav Maga
> http://www.kravmaga.com/krav01.html. But, as it was explained to me, it
> is Israeli (rather than Torah-based) and teaches to maximize hurting the
> opponent!
>
>

this was designed to be used by the IDF, so in that context, it is
appropriate to teach maximizing hurting the opponent in hand-to-hand combat, using only
your body as a weapon. This is why a lot of women are doing Krav Maga, so that
they can protect themselves in certain [...]36_5Aug200509:03:58EDTRENALEVIN@AOL.COM 4917 68 16_Re: Martial Arts10_Larry Beck35_Larry.Beck@GIS.LEICA-GEOSYSTEMS.COM30_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:15:57 -0400543_us-ascii My two older sons took Krav Maga for a while two years ago. It is not
that it teaches maximum hurting of the opponent. In fact they teach you
to not fight and to not hurt if you don't have to. It is a "practical"
martial art rather than philosophical like the Eastern ones. It was
designed by the Israelis for street fighting, period. It uses the
simplest methods to be the most effective. It is not that they want to
hurt people it is that they want to maximize your own safety. It is just
that they do not [...]56_5Aug200510:15:57-0400Larry.Beck@GIS.LEICA-GEOSYSTEMS.COM 4986 44 20_Re: parents and kids10_Larry Beck35_Larry.Beck@GIS.LEICA-GEOSYSTEMS.COM30_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:23:16 -0400372_us-ascii One needs to realize that any e-list is like a post card. A post card is
an open piece of mail and you don't write anything that
you don't want the world to read. In the same way email is open to the
world. You never know who will get it and where it will go. Even if
there are no kids on this list, some kids may see the emails that we
send. [...]56_5Aug200510:23:16-0400Larry.Beck@GIS.LEICA-GEOSYSTEMS.COM 5031 74 16_Re: Martial Arts12_Judith Cohen22_judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM30_Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:15:31 -0500737_ISO-8859-1 Torah-Dojo is religiously based martial arts. Originally started in
YU by Chaim Sober.

On 8/4/05, S Sloman wrote:
> There is apparently a modern form called Krav Maga
> http://www.kravmaga.com/krav01.html. But, as it was explained to me, it
> is Israeli (rather than Torah-based) and teaches to maximize hurting the
> opponent!
>
> Shoshana Sloman
> Torch-d listowner
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
> Behalf Of Jamie Lichtenstein
> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:01 AM
> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> Subject: [TORCH-D] Martial Arts
>
> I remember hearing at one point that [...]43_5Aug200512:15:31-0500judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM 5106 25 15_Hebrew software14_Malkie Swidler24_swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:53:08 +0300618_ISO-8859-1 I just found a link to neat-looking Hebrew language software that may be
of service to someone here. I haven't used it myself, but it looks good.
It's not more pricey than other such programs, and there's a free
download. Enjoy!

Malkie

http://www.hebrewworks.com/index.htm

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an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]45_6Aug200521:53:08+0300swidler@NETVISION.NET.IL 5132 39 20_Re: parents and kids8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM30_Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:34:36 -0500659_us-ascii I agree with that. But that's different from having an interaction with
kids.

Shoshana Sloman
Torch-d listowner

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Larry Beck
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:23 AM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] parents and kids

One needs to realize that any e-list is like a post card. A post card is
an open piece of mail and you don't write anything that
you don't want the world to read. In the same way email is open to the
world. You never know who will get it and where it will go. Even [...]39_7Aug200510:34:36-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 5172 87 16_Re: Martial Arts12_Judith Cohen22_judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM30_Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:58:30 -0500773_ISO-8859-1 Tora dojo or Torah dojo

http://kodesh.org/dojo.htm <---- nice overview
http://www.toradojo.co.il/openingpage_english.html <--the israeli site
http://www.toradojo.co.il/openingpage_english.html

Why Karate with TDA
Karate courses can be taken almost anywhere these days, and our
violent times offer more than enough reason to enroll in one of them.
The Tora Dojo Martial Arts Association (TDA), offers more than just a
means to learn self-defense. Along with the superior instruction the
student receives, a special mentality develops. If the student is
serious, this mentality and outlook will last a lifetime. In our
highly pressured world the correct mental attitude is just as
essential for survival as knowing [...]43_7Aug200515:58:30-0500judith.cohen@GMAIL.COM 5260 73 49_It's official...and my mom is awesome by the way!15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:09:58 -0700354_iso-8859-1 Hi all!
It's official. We've made the decision to go forward with homeschooling our soon-to-be-5 year old daughter, and despite my terror at this (I have a 2 year old and am due any day with #3!) am excited about it. I have been hemming and hawing for a couple months but due to a variety of circumstances, dh and I decided to decide! [...]40_10Aug200510:09:58-0700drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 5334 85 6_Nicole13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:21:51 -0700586_iso-8859-1 Congratulations on making the decision, Nicole! You are incredibly blessed to have such a wonderful mother - she sounds alot like my mom, who has been amazing consistently in her ability to support whatever I am doing. We're both very, very fortunate.

Avivah

>>Hi all!
It's official. We've made the decision to go forward with homeschooling our soon-to-be-5 year old daughter, and despite my terror at this (I have a 2 year old and am due any day with #3!) am excited about it. I have been hemming and hawing for a couple months but due to a variety of [...]44_10Aug200514:21:51-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 5420 67 24_Now on to the details...15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:14:06 -0700476_iso-8859-1 Okay,

I need a little help. I need to pick out a basic parsha series suitable for a very verbal and questioning kindergartner. I went to the Jewish bookstore and got overwhelmed by all the choices so I figured I'd come here and ask.

I guess I need advice on books that also may include some activity ideas (I'm not familiar enough with the material myself and I'm also not inherently creative in coming up with projects) for the following items: [...]40_10Aug200510:14:06-0700drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 5488 344 29_NY Times article about Malden16_ZagorskyGoldberg28_zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:16:13 -0400669_iso-8859-1 An article about our synagogue in Saturday's NY Times! I've spoken with a few of you about potentially moving here. It would be SO GREAT if more observant homeschoolers helped increase our community here! --Ellen
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/06/national/06religion.html

August 6, 2005
A Rebuilding Congregation Seeks Members, and Its Incentives Abound
By KATIE ZEZIMA
MALDEN, Mass., Aug. 3 - The advertisement laid out a number of reasons why Orthodox Jews should move here and join Congregation Beth Israel: daily services, plenty of parks for children to play in, and a subway ride of only 15 minutes to Boston, five miles south. [...]50_10Aug200513:16:13-0400zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET 5833 58 49_It's official...and my mom is awesome by the way!15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:38:20 -0400600_ISO-8859-1 Nicole,
You are truly g'bentched to have such a supportive mom! Enjoy!
Wendy in Miami
>
> From: Nicole Brackman
> Date: 2005/08/10 Wed PM 01:09:58 EDT
> To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
> Subject: [TORCH-D] It's official...and my mom is awesome by the way!
>
> Hi all!
> It's official. We've made the decision to go forward with homeschooling our soon-to-be-5 year old daughter, and despite my terror at this (I have a 2 year old and am due any day with #3!) am excited about it. I have been hemming and hawing for a couple months but due to [...]50_10Aug200517:38:20-0400wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 5892 62 28_Re: Now on to the details...12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET31_Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:48:45 -07000_41_10Aug200518:48:45-0700renaweisman@COX.NET 5955 293 10_Fw: Nicole14_Mandy Oeschger23_sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET31_Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:37:32 -0500548_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message -----

HI Nicole

Congratulations on your decision to home school! I had our third son nearly 5 weeks ago. I also have a nearly 2yo and a 4 yo. I wrote this to you before. I too will begin kindergarten soon with my 4 yo. Things have been more trying with three children than I thought it would be but everything is smoothing out now. I'm using the Abeka K5 curriculum in cursive. Yes, a big jump but we'll take it slowly. It's easy to bypass the Xian theology in the k5 work but the higher grades [...]45_11Aug200510:37:32-0500sailorswife@KNOLOGY.NET 6249 125 13_homeschooling11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:30:14 -0400350_us-ascii Hi,

My name is Chava Bina and I have decided to home school my daughter. She is
in 7th grade. She has attended public school. I need to educate her so that
she will be able to send her to a Bat Yakov in the next 2 years. I have read
e-mails for here for months and finally decided to write so that I can get
support. [...]42_11Aug200515:30:14-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 6375 134 17_Re: homeschooling17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:02:11 -0400592_us-ascii Welcome, Chava. Is your daughter being totally homeschooled, or are
you trying to supplement her public school education so she will be
able to transition smoothly to Beit Yaakov?
Have you considered sending her to Beit Yaakov for half a day (
secular subjects) while you try to get her up to par at home for the
Hebrew classes? Or, if they have a "mechina" class in your local Beit
Yaakov, perhaps you could do this the other way around... sending her
to the Bet Yaakov to learn Judaica subjects, and doing the secular
subjects with her at home.
How [...]38_12Aug200515:02:11-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 6510 589 17_Re: homeschooling11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:21:44 -0400573_us-ascii Thanks for the welcome. Just to clarify our situation. We live in
Jacksonville, Florida. There are no schools that my Hanna can attend. Right
now our 16 year old son attends a Yeshiva in Skokie. We also have a 2 year
old. An orthodox day school named Torah Academy, opened three years ago
and is very successful. They only go up till 4th grade. There is a Solomon
Schechter, but I was advised from my Rabbi not to send her there. Hanna
attended Schechter until 1st grade when after struggling; we pulled her out
to go attend a school for [...]42_14Aug200514:21:44-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 7100 158 17_Re: homeschooling15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:52:24 -0400577_ISO-8859-1 Chava Bina and I are about to be neighbors, iy"H! We're planning a move to Jax before the chaggim, pG. We're not sure whether we'll continue HSing for kodesh once we're there, as the school is tiny and the kids will be receiving essentially one on one instruction. Still planning to keep them home for chol, though (I know, Rena---the worst of both worlds! However, my Hebrew is dreadful on a good day and improving veeerrrry slowly. We'll see.) Anyway, I'm looking forward to being in the boonies and hoping Hanna will consent to babysit, as my gang was quite [...]50_14Aug200518:52:24-0400wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET 7259 208 17_Re: homeschooling11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:30:15 -0400389_us-ascii I'm glad that we will be neighbors. We are looking forward to another
Family in our community. I'm sure that Hanna will be available. We hope
that your house sells very quickly. Any advice on the home schooling? The
more families that come to Jacksonville, the larger the school will get and
the more frum the community will become, then a restaurant. Hurray!!!! [...]42_15Aug200500:30:15-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 7468 272 17_Re: homeschooling8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:53:59 -0500717_US-ASCII My parents recently bought a place (for winters) in Amelia Island, so
maybe I'll visit y'all at some point.

Shoshana

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On
Behalf Of Amy Mizrahi
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:30 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] homeschooling

I'm glad that we will be neighbors. We are looking forward to another
Family in our community. I'm sure that Hanna will be available. We
hope
that your house sells very quickly. Any advice on the home schooling?
The
more families that come to Jacksonville, the larger the school will get
and
the more frum the [...]40_15Aug200511:53:59-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 7741 59 16_hsing young kids13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:35:26 -0700546_iso-8859-1 I few days ago, Nicole asked for some suggestions for materials for her daughter. Since in the past, there have been lots of responses to this question, it's likely there won't be much of a response again now.

I was at the Sonlight forums last night, and decided to glance at the K program discussion board. When so many people are saying how hard it is to homeschool, that they felt like giving up after the first day or week, I think that is a clear signal. Pushing through isn't the right thing to do at the age, imo. I [...]44_15Aug200510:35:26-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 7801 33 21_Laya Jackson's e-mail19_Naami Urit Detwiler22_ilikebumbles@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:12:13 -0700456_iso-8859-1 Laya,
Can you please e-mail me? I have a question about
contact information for someone your husband spoke to
my husband about at the Busse's party. I don't have
your e-mail address, and this is the only way, I know
of, to get a hold of you... :o)

Thanks,
Mandy Detwiler

____________________________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs [...]44_15Aug200511:12:13-0700ilikebumbles@YAHOO.COM 7835 292 17_Re: homeschooling11_Amy Mizrahi20_amizrahi@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:56:34 -0400511_us-ascii That would be just great. Are there any suggestions for Home schooling as
well as how to schedule teaching with a duel program?

Chava

-----Original Message-----
From: Torah-Centered Homeschooling [mailto:TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of
S Sloman
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:54 PM
To: TORCH-D@SHAMASH.ORG
Subject: Re: [TORCH-D] homeschooling

My parents recently bought a place (for winters) in Amelia Island, so
maybe I'll visit y'all at some point. [...]42_16Aug200501:56:34-0400amizrahi@COMCAST.NET 8128 20 54_Any homeschoolers in the Petach Tikva area in Israel ?67_Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff21_fenspam@ATTGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:57:03 +0300439_ISO-8859-1 Any homeschoolers in the Petach Tikva area in Israel?

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To unsubscribe email: TORCH-D-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG43_16Aug200508:57:03+0300fenspam@ATTGLOBAL.NET 8149 91 20_Re: hsing young kids15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:11:18 -0700370_iso-8859-1 Avivah,
Your post could not have come at a more propitious time. I am feeling overwhelmed myself with the lists, etc. I have made a concerted effort in the last few days to try and calm down, and I figure that I am going to give us at least til after the Yom Tov season to get "up and running" especially since I am due next week (IY"H) with babe #3. [...]40_16Aug200505:11:18-0700drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 8241 123 20_Re: hsing young kids13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:31:17 -0700576_iso-8859-1 I don't mean to be too direct here (but that's me....), but perfectionism isn't a good thing. How do I know? Been there, paid the price, but I learned fast! You will burn yourself and everyone around you out if you push too hard. Homeschooling isn't effortless, especially when starting and everything seems new and sometimes overwhelming. But it certainly doesn't all have to be decided and in place before day 1. It's lots simpler than you think right now, and in another year or two it's very likely you'll be telling another newbie the same thing. It is a [...]44_16Aug200513:31:17-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 8365 28 23_Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew16_Eric & Lori Swim17_elswim@KANSAS.NET31_Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:01:09 -0500430_us-ascii Shalom, all:

We are thinking about purchasing Rosetta Stone's "Hebrew" program.
Rosetta Stone only has Hebrew at a Level One option ... which is where
we (adults & children) are at currently.

We have heard good things about the company; however, we were wondering
if anyone on this list has any comments and/or experience with this
product, or if they can recommend something else. Thanks. [...]39_16Aug200523:01:09-0500elswim@KANSAS.NET 8394 57 27_Re: Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:52:43 -0700595_iso-8859-1 We are using it with my 5 and 6 1/2 year old and like
it a lot. We tried the first 2 lessons of unit 1 on
the website before we decided, I'd recommend that.
The program is really for teaching vocabulary and
sentence structure, no grammar.

Sigal

--- Eric & Lori Swim wrote:

> Shalom, all:
>
> We are thinking about purchasing Rosetta Stone's
> "Hebrew" program.
> Rosetta Stone only has Hebrew at a Level One option
> ... which is where
> we (adults & children) are at currently.
>
> We have heard good [...]45_17Aug200513:52:43-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 8452 26 27_Re: Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET31_Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:29:16 -0700606_iso-8859-1 My kids and I have used Rosetta Stone on and off (mostly due to computer
problems) for the last 3 years to learn and review several languages -
Russian, Hebrew, French, Japanese, Danish, and Latin. I am impressed with
how good Rosetta Stone is for each of them even though they are very
different languages. It uses the total immersion approach, so you never
translate from English into the target language, but start using the new
language immediately. Even grammar is taught by example and not by rote.
It does require some keyboard skills and can only be used while [...]36_17Aug200519:29:16-0700zara@HAIMO.NET 8479 51 27_Re: Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:14:12 +0200571_us-ascii I had a look at Rosetta Stone and didn't love it. My husband got a gift
of Primsler and although he didn't use it fully, he really did learn what
he did. Which is saying a lot! :-P You can get an intro to start.
Best,
Laya

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:01:09 -0500 Eric & Lori Swim
writes:
> Shalom, all:
>
> We are thinking about purchasing Rosetta Stone's "Hebrew" program.
> Rosetta Stone only has Hebrew at a Level One option ... which is
> where
> we (adults & children) are at currently.
>
> [...]39_17Aug200522:14:12+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 8531 59 38_What do you do with all the projects?!15_Nicole Brackman18_drnb1969@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:54:38 -0700312_iso-8859-1 BS"D

Hi all!

Okay, my daughter is a prolific artist and can easily run through a ream of construction paper every few days, not to mention stickers, etc. etc. She gets very attached to her artwork, and loves to give it away as gifts to her family and friends, write "letters", etc. [...]40_18Aug200506:54:38-0700drnb1969@YAHOO.COM 8591 436 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:43:38 -0500455_US-ASCII Some people take photos of the artwork that can't be saved, so it isn't
completely lost, but doesn't take up so much room-especially if you use
a digital camera. So you could tell your daughter that the reality is
that only SOME of the artwork may be saved, because there simply isn't
room, but that you'd like to preserve the rest through this method. You
could even alternate the photos as desktop backgrounds or something. [...]40_18Aug200511:43:38-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 9028 172 27_Re: Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew12_Deborah Beck21_Deborah@BECKFORCE.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:59:44 -0400325_us-ascii Laya, I am using Rosetta Stone for Spanish and am not familiar with
their Hebrew. However, I can
tell you that it is very light on grammer and we have hired a native
speaker to augment the program.
Used in this manner, it is very good and easy to learn.
Deborah Beck

Laya B Jackson wrote: [...]43_18Aug200512:59:44-0400Deborah@BECKFORCE.COM 9201 37 17_an idea from Laya14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:44:44 +0200451_us-ascii Hello wonderful group,

Here's something I started for a couple of reasons:
1) to help the kids practice reading. I started with easy things and as
their reading improves, the notes get more detailed. Since I'm their
teacher, I know their exact reading level! :-)
2) to give them memories
3) to make sure they get the positive strokes (I seem to "correct" them
so often so wanted something weighty to balance it) [...]39_18Aug200520:44:44+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 9239 154 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:38:31 +0200370_us-ascii I hope this doesn't make me unpopular, but I do send most of the art
around here off to bless the angels. I keep my most favorites or the
ones they're most attached to. I have also taken photos of some art and
love the memories. As my kids are getting older, they are also not so
attached and can let go of things that have been around awhile. [...]39_18Aug200520:38:31+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 9394 48 27_Re: Rosetta Stone -- Hebrew10_Zara Haimo14_zara@HAIMO.NET31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:56:37 -0700563_iso-8859-1 > I had a look at Rosetta Stone and didn't love it. My husband got a gift
> of Primsler and although he didn't use it fully, he really did learn what
> he did. Which is saying a lot! :-P You can get an intro to start.

I've used both Rosetta Stone and Pimsleur and like them both. I'm actually
a bit of a language junkie and have learned bits and pieces of several
languages using a variety of methods. The most effective have been total
immersion (Berlitz, Rosetta Stone) and Pimsleur which has its own quirky
method that [...]36_18Aug200513:56:37-0700zara@HAIMO.NET 9443 86 36_Day School policy and Home Schoolers16_Ruth D. Bryskier21_mommycat@BRYSKIER.NET31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:32:13 -0500435_US-ASCII Hello,

I am on the Board of Ed. at my children's day school, and they are curious
about what other schools do in terms of policy for children who are home
schooled for secular studies but attend the day school for Kodesh. If
anyone has any information on this it would be greatly appreciated - what
has worked, what hasn't etc. in terms of tuition, participation in general
studies activities, etc. [...]43_18Aug200516:32:13-0500mommycat@BRYSKIER.NET 9530 141 40_Re: Day School policy and Home Schoolers12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:23:48 -0400401_us-ascii Hi Ruth,

My kids go to our local Chabad school when they're not homeschooling
(we've done different things in different years for different kids).
The school has been flexible about allowing them to attend half-days
-- just limudei kodesh. We have simply paid prorated tuition --
proportional to the actual number of hours of the school week our
children attended. [...]44_18Aug200521:23:48-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 9672 114 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:20:45 -0700386_iso-8859-1 Laya, you wrote two posts, and I wanted to respond to about your notebook idea. But I didn't see it come through on my screen after I approved it, though I waited for it. Did everyone else receive it? If it didn't go through, I have no idea why not (did I accidentally hit reject??? - you would have gotten a message), but would you resend it so everyone could benefit? [...]44_18Aug200520:20:45-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 9787 364 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Fri, 19 Aug 2005 04:32:54 -0500441_US-ASCII I saw the post about the notebooks come through.

The local day school uses a similar method in first grade. The kids
have a journal and are given a time to write in it daily. Sometimes
they write notes to the teacher in it and she writes back. It really is
remarkable to see the change in handwriting over time. Sometimes it is
also interesting to see what's been on their minds that they didn't
mention! [...]40_19Aug200504:32:54-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 10152 53 21_Fw: an idea from Laya14_Laya B Jackson17_tolife18@JUNO.COM31_Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:00:24 +0200467_us-ascii Hi Aviva, here's the post again. I thought I did see it come through but
I always delete the ones from me since I know what they say.
It's amazing how much time I can spend on my computer when I could be
doing other things on my list.
Hey, anyone from this list who finds themselves in the Tzfat area (other
Israeli hsers too) are welcome to stop by and hang out--share a meal,
enjoy the view.
Laya
I've got to get shabbos done! [...]39_19Aug200508:00:24+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 10206 142 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:09:51 -0400596_us-ascii Or putting together a portfolio, where every week she chooses one
"best picture" to go into the portfolio, and the rest get tossed.
Alternatively, create a "picture wall' in her room where all her
pictures go.. when it fills up, she has to choose which one to remove
to make room for new ones.
This means there are a finite number of pictures, but gives her
control over which one she saves.
An additional option might be to take photographs of the pictures
before throwing them out-- photos take less room than pictures. And
if you use a digital camera, [...]38_19Aug200508:09:51-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 10349 39 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM31_Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:33:07 -0400580_us-ascii > Alternatively, create a "picture wall' in her room where all her
>pictures go.. when it fills up, she has to choose which one to
>remove to make room for new ones.

We did this with our kids when we lived in a place with more wall
space. Each child had a "gallery" (in their bedroom or in our front
hallway) that they could fill with pictures, stories, whatever. Some
artwork was on permanent display and really became part of our home;
others came and went. We took pictures of the entire gallery
(sometimes with the artist in front of [...]44_19Aug200510:33:07-0400njpmail@MINDSPRING.COM 10389 433 20_commencement address11_Susan Lapin20_suelap@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:44:48 -07000_42_19Aug200518:44:48-0700suelap@EARTHLINK.NET 10823 264 24_Re: commencement address8_S Sloman18_ssloman@NETLAB.COM31_Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:39:33 -0500641_us-ascii Just beautiful, Susan. Thank you so much for sharing those thoughtful
reflections. You know how I've admired you all these years, and I
really appreciate reading your perspective as your homeschooling journey
reaches "commencement". You can feel satisfied and proud of a job well
done.

I especially like your comments about the various possible decisions we
could have made, how we'll never know how things might have been
different, because sometimes we can get caught up in the idea that there
is ONE ideal way to go, and we can keep second-guessing ourselves about
whether we are on the right [...]40_21Aug200509:39:33-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 11088 124 24_Re: commencement address13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 21 Aug 2005 07:46:24 -0700334_iso-8859-1 Dear Susan,

Thank you for sharing all of these thoughts with us. I had noticed your online presence receding, and am sad we won't get to benefit as frequently from your insight and experience, but grateful for your past participation on this list. If it weren't for this list, we probably never would have met! [...]44_21Aug200507:46:24-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 11213 35 24_Re: commencement address17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:55:47 -0400479_us-ascii >Attachment converted: Macintosh:Commencement Address.doc (WDBN/MSWD)
>(0010C9BC)

Susan, thank you for those beautiful words.
Often, when struggling with a decision, we wish we knew how it would
all turn out.
It would be so much easier to weather crises if we could see that in
the end, things would be all right.
Doubt and self-doubt are the biggest enemies of growth, for they
often paralyze us, making it imposssible to move forward. [...]38_21Aug200510:55:47-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 11249 43 24_Re: commencement address12_ruthie thurm21_ruthiethurm@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:03:58 -0700507_iso-8859-1 dear susan... your wonderful words of chizuk were a joy to read... thank you!

ruthie...

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http://www.aish.com/family/mensch/Choosing_Homeschooling.asp

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The negative comment was funny, because it implies that professional
teachers are all good educators.

-Shoshana

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This is from Aish.com. I found this very postive. Be sure to read the
comments below the article. [...]40_22Aug200510:58:15-0500ssloman@NETLAB.COM 11364 77 42_Re: What do you do with all the projects?!16_ZagorskyGoldberg28_zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:57:42 -0400439_iso-8859-1 I keep a brown paper bag full of artwork in our kitchen. When the kids need to send out a card or a note to someone, I have them pull out something from there and write a short note on it. It really helps! Before doing this, it would take 30-45 minutes to write a quick "refuah shlema" b/c they would start their artwork from scratch. While they still do that for "important" cards, this has helped for the everyday stuff. [...]50_22Aug200510:57:42-0400zagorskygoldberg@VERIZON.NET 11442 29 31_Re: article about homeschooling15_Wendy Bernstein28_wendybernstein@BELLSOUTH.NET31_Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:16:50 -0400677_ISO-8859-1 Even funnier...he goes on to talk about college graduates who can't differentiate between science and superstition. Um...hello? Whose side is he on, anyway?

Shoshana wrote:

>
> The negative comment was funny, because it implies that professional
> teachers are all good educators.
>
> -Shoshana

Wendy in North Miami Beach

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Avivah

Chana Silberstein wrote:
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Susan, thank you for those beautiful words.
Often, when struggling with a decision, we wish we knew how it would
all turn out.
It would be so much easier to weather crises if we could see that in
the end, things would be all right.
Doubt and self-doubt are the biggest enemies of growth, for they
often paralyze us, making it imposssible [...]44_22Aug200509:33:35-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 11550 20 19_returning to school11_Viva Hammer18_Vivahammer@AOL.COM31_Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:38:15 -0400565_iso-8859-1 My 7 yo son has expressed strong interest in returning to conventional school after having spent the last year at home. We were able to get him to experience the real thing over the summer while we were in Australia (where it is winter), and he enjoyed it. Does anyone have advice about making the transition? We are concerned about him not being happy midway through the year. He has interviewed with the prospective school, and is still interested in continuing the process, but how can a 7yo commit to a whole year of anything? Is it fair to ask [...]40_22Aug200518:38:15-0400Vivahammer@AOL.COM 11571 71 23_Re: returning to school13_Avivah Werner22_avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:53:43 -0700502_iso-8859-1 Hi, Viva,

Nice article for Aish. What a coincidence to see you posting here right on the day your article was linked!

It's very interesting to me that your son wants to go to school at this age. My kids uniformly all want to be homeschooled, and not because I slander schools, since I don't. They just see their friends' lives and schedules, how they have so little time and freedom, and all their friends think they are so lucky. So they have no desire to switch places. [...]44_22Aug200515:53:43-0700avivahwerner@YAHOO.COM 11643 24 23_Re: returning to school16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:05:21 -0400599_us-ascii Viva
WHY does he want to go to school? Friends? Good classes he hears about?
Situation at home? Unsatisfied with learning at home?

Also does he want to continue to learn some of the subjects you have been
teaching him
Russell Hendel; http://www.Rashiyomi.com/

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a frum Jewish group. What say we make a note of Torch-d? I'd be happy
to post it there, but would like to know how it should be listed...
Laya

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:37:20 -0400 Rachel Turniansky
writes:
> This is from Aish.com. I found this very postive. Be sure to read the
>
> comments below the article.
>
> http://www.aish.com/family/mensch/Choosing_Homeschooling.asp
>
> Rachel
>
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> a [...]39_22Aug200521:36:17+0200tolife18@JUNO.COM 11711 43 28_infusing kedusha into kodesh19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM29_Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:39:53 GMT520_- I was thinking through my plans for the upcoming year and seem to have my English ideas all well thought out and am very excited about the subject matters I hope to learn with my kids. However, when it comes to the Hebrew, I feel very inadequate to say the least. I would like to have the same level of enthusiasm as for the chol, but it is not there. I think this is because I still don't have a concrete way of approaching these studies. I also notice this distinct blah attitude when I bring up the subject of [...]39_26Aug200512:39:53GMTmalkiadler@JUNO.COM 11755 117 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh14_Sigal Gottlieb23_sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 28 Aug 2005 04:08:42 -0700521_iso-8859-1 When i was in hs I had a wonderful rebbetzin who
taught chumash based on topic -- for example, when we
learned the section on Nadav V'Avihu we went through
all the meforshim and midrashim who discussed why it
happened, and in b'reishis the overriding topic was
"maasei avos siman l'banim". Could you read the
psukim briefly in english, develop a topic using the
meforshim and through trying to understand the topic
go back to the psukim in hebrew and read, transate,
rashi etc? [...]45_28Aug200504:08:42-0700sigalgottlieb@YAHOO.COM 11873 206 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:04:47 -0400608_us-ascii It would be easier to respond to this if I had a good Idea of some
of the "English" ideas that excite you-- some sense of learning
style, etc.

Some possible alternatives that come to mind:
Letting them take turns teaching Chumash.. providing them with a
sampling of workbooks, tapes, parsha books, Chumash in translation,
little midrash says.. assigning each 10 pesukim or so, giving them a
couple of days to come up with a lesson in whatever style they wish (
and perhaps even some instructional goals)... you can serve as a
resource, but they have to choose to [...]38_28Aug200509:04:47-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 12080 216 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh12_Caryn Lipson24_caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM31_Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:02:06 -0400487_iso-8859-1 Hi,

Judaic games that revolve around Torah, Davka.com has software games relating to the Nach, a model Bais Hamikdash to build, and such are probably good ways to introduce Limudei Kodesh in a fun and different manner. You also might try Mishpacha Junior (the magazine) has a cartoon every week relating to a Rashi in the week's parsha and kids have to figure out where it comes from. They also might be interested in learning about particular women in the Torah. [...]46_28Aug200513:02:06-0400caryn_lipson@HOTMAIL.COM 12297 113 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh18_Benjamin H Dickman19_bdickman@LUCENT.COM31_Mon, 29 Aug 2005 00:09:59 -0400396_us-ascii bs'd
Malki,

The fundamental meaning of the work kedusha is the separation from the
ordinary/secular/profane. So HaShem is Kadosh. Someone who dedicates
their thoughts and actions to Torah and Mitzvoth is doing an act of
kedusha to the degree of their involvement in that Torah/Mitzvah
lishma (for its own sake, not for the person's selfish secular advantage). [...]41_29Aug200500:09:59-0400bdickman@LUCENT.COM 12411 100 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh12_Rena Weisman19_renaweisman@COX.NET31_Sun, 28 Aug 2005 23:17:57 -07000_41_28Aug200523:17:57-0700renaweisman@COX.NET 12512 45 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh14_Moriah Chesler17_merilyn@ABSOL.COM31_Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:13:43 -0400624_- I really enjoyed learning from the various responses to Malki. Thank you
all for sharing your thoughts on this -- this is by far the best thread I've
come across.

I would like to add these few things:

1) Learning Torah should not be a burden, if it is, then something is not
right. Could be the mindset, could be the technique, could be anything.
Perhaps, the teacher should hide his/her personal feelings that translating
Chumash is boring as that will pass through to the students. Bringing
excitement to the 'class' certainly helps. Seeing the teacher being
enthusiastic will be [...]39_30Aug200503:13:43-0400merilyn@ABSOL.COM 12558 62 32_Re: infusing kedusha into kodesh17_Chana Silberstein16_cs32@CORNELL.EDU31_Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:17:41 -0400409_us-ascii >
>
>Even for boys, who will be required to master texts, one should not push
>them, because it would be counter-productive. All the more so not to push
>girls, who are not required to master texts.
>
>
>
Benzion, I would agree that there is not much point "pushing"
children ( or adults) beyond what they are ready to do. But "gentle
nudging" is a good thing :-). [...]38_30Aug200508:17:41-0400cs32@CORNELL.EDU 12621 39 29_infusing kedushah into kodesh19_malkiadler@juno.com19_malkiadler@JUNO.COM29_Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:22:51 GMT379_- Thanks so much to all of you who responded to my call for help! I was impressed with the replies and have much to think about as I attempt to put together our format for the year. I will take to heart Chana's plea not to nix chumash (I never wanted to, just felt clueless as how to approach it!) and come up with something that will work for us.
Thanks again,
Malki [...]39_30Aug200522:22:51GMTmalkiadler@JUNO.COM 12661 32 28_Re: Dont push (in education)16_Russell J Hendel17_rjhendel@JUNO.COM31_Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:11:17 -0400322_us-ascii Reminds me of a beautiful essay by Rav Hirsch.
We all know that we sing, when the Torah is returned,
"For I (God) gave you a Good TAKE, my Torah do not desert."

Rav Hirsch points out that the proper term for GIFT is GIFT from GIVE not
TAKE. In fact TAKE is a slang expression that gangs use. [...]39_30Aug200522:11:17-0400rjhendel@JUNO.COM 12694 181 59_Re: TORCH-D Digest - 30 Aug 2005 to 31 Aug 2005 (#2005-203)13_Donna Zeffren19_donna@E-CHINUCH.ORG31_Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:27:18 -05000_41_31Aug200502:27:18-0500donna@E-CHINUCH.ORG