1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d October 2003 1 2595 14_Re: Shidduchim0_21_YiddisheMameh@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:00:51 EDT514_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/30/2003 4:56:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
ssloman@netlab.com writes:

> I TRIED to help my children be conformist, with the idea that it would
> increase their chances for happiness. Oh, ignorant, ignorant woman! Somehow the
> pintele nonconformist came out in them anyway.
>
> We need to nurture the unique individual each of us is. Hashem made us
> beautifully different for a reason. We need to be able to bring out our own
> portion of Torah.
> [...]29_184.20f74edc.2cab6523@aol.com 2597 2467 15_Devarim at Home13_Barbara Mazor19_barbmazor@yahoo.com36_Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:22:21 -0700 (PDT)404_us-ascii Moriah -

Congratulations on your efforts to do the 'zine.

I got to take a quick look. I really liked the photos and the picture of the moth/butterfly (sorry can't remember right now.) I really want to go back to it when I have more time.

I was unable to download the file (only view on screen). Is that on purpose? I guess I'll just have to print it out to read on YT. [...]45_8Oct200307:22:21-0700(PDT)barbmazor@yahoo.com 5065 330 6_RE: Hi23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 14 Oct 2003 09:24:24 -0500554_US-ASCII Hi, Amy! It's good to have you join our group. We have people from a
variety of backgrounds here, and at various stages both in frumkeit and in
homeschooling. Please feel welcome to share your experiences and ask
questions.

Moadim l'simcha!

Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org [mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org]On
Behalf Of Patchoulimama@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:18 PM
To: About religious Jewish home schooling
Subject: Hi [...]40_14Oct200309:24:24-0500ssloman@netlab.com 5396 92 17_Update on Privacy23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:22:44 -0500469_iso-8859-1 Wanted to let y'all know that Shamash has gotten back to me about our
privacy concerns. Apparently they are able to configure our list in such a
way that the archives will only be available to members, not the general
public.

But it does require them to move the old files manually, which they don't
have time to do right this moment, being in the middle of numerous chagim!
They said they will let me know when they do get to it. [...]40_16Oct200309:22:44-0500ssloman@netlab.com 5489 53 13_Privacy Issue23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:05:35 -0500351_us-ascii Below is the message I have received from Shamash regarding our archives.
It would seem that our concerns are resolved to the extent possible, baruch
Hashem. Please let me know if there are any other questions or issues to
deal with.

I am very grateful to Shamash for hosting us and for being responsive to our
needs. [...]40_21Oct200307:05:35-0500ssloman@netlab.com 5543 306 5_Heheh23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:56:52 -0500689_us-ascii OK, I mentioned to y'all that Shamash has hosted us for years w/o asking for
a donation, which other lists *do* make. Now, below, you will see that they
would, indeed, like our support. What do you say?

Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Shamash Help Staff [mailto:help@shamash.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:57 AM
>To: Shoshana Amelite Sloman
>Subject: RE: Mailing List Owner Help--archives
>
>
>Shoshana-
>
>I'm glad we got that all resolved. I was going through our list of
>donations to support shamash and noticed that the torch-d list has not
>contributed to Shamash in [...]40_21Oct200307:56:52-0500ssloman@netlab.com 5850 118 9_RE: Heheh23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:41:57 -0500723_us-ascii Anyone who does decide to contribute, please let me know once you have sent
a check or donated through the Shamash website, so that I can be sure we at
least reach the requested amount.

Thanks,
Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org [mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org]On
>Behalf Of Shoshana Amelite Sloman
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:57 AM
>To: About religious Jewish home schooling
>Subject: Heheh
>
>
>OK, I mentioned to y'all that Shamash has hosted us for years w/o
>asking for
>a donation, which other lists *do* make. Now, below, you will see
>that they
>would, indeed, like our [...]40_21Oct200309:41:57-0500ssloman@netlab.com 5969 48 9_RE: Heheh23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:03:51 -0500735_us-ascii Yes, you can use PayPal. He says:

"Alternately, you can go to the Shamash web page
and click on DONATE in the upper right corner and donate via credit
card (MasterCard, Visa and others) with PayPal."

Thanks so much!

Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org [mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org]On
>Behalf Of Michelle in Nevada
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:53 AM
>To: About religious Jewish home schooling
>Subject: Re: Heheh
>
>
>B"H
>
>I don't know about other people on this list, but I am very comfortable
>using Paypal. It would be nice if Shamash had a paypal account [...]40_21Oct200310:03:51-0500ssloman@netlab.com 6018 38 9_FW: Heheh23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:21:15 -0500648_us-ascii >-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Ballinger [mailto:cb@ieee.org]
>Sent: None
>To: torch-d@shamash.org
>Subject: Re: Heheh
>
>
>They do have a PayPal account but it makes no mention of which List
>generated the support. Since they *are* tracking who supports them, it
>makes sense that they'd let us tell them Torch-d when using paypal..
>
>If we use PayPal how can we know torch-d gets credit (again, since they
>care enough to track it).
>
>.. and good work Shoshana for helping to get the archive bug resolved.
>I hope and wonder if the pace and volume of the list will change. [...]40_21Oct200312:21:15-0500ssloman@netlab.com 6057 182 34_FW: PayPal donations, "credit for"23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:16:05 -0500506_us-ascii >
>When you go to our paypal interface (from shamash.org), it'll ask you to
>type in what list you are part of.... please enter "torch-d" in that space.
>Thanks!
>
>--David Rosenthal
> Shamash Coordinator

------------------------ torch-d@shamash.org -----------------------+
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A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an
online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]40_21Oct200314:16:05-0500ssloman@netlab.com 6240 210 26_FW: new classes have begun23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:18:41 -0500665_US-ASCII FYI

-----Original Message-----
From: Yitzchok Pollack [mailto:ypollack@sympatico.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:00 AM
Subject: new classes have begun

Dear Homeschoolers,
I would like to inform everyone of the classes that are going on.
1. In the afternoons there is a gemara class three times a week. We now
have 3 boys who will be participating and there are additional seats
available. classes are Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at 2:30 - 3:30
2. Three times a week we have a beginners chumash parshas lech lecha.
classes are Sunday 2:15 Monday 6:30 and Thursday 6:30. (1 hour classes)
There is a [...]40_23Oct200305:18:41-0500ssloman@netlab.com 6451 249 28_Does anyone know this souce?13_Barbara Mazor19_barbmazor@yahoo.com37_Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:50:30 -0700 (PDT)511_us-ascii There is a D'var Torah - I think we even talked about
it on this list - that goes as follows, and I wonder
if anyone knows the source.

The question is if Ya'akov and Esau has the same
parents and the same home, how come Esau turned out to
be a bad guy? The answer is "hinuch la'noar l'fee
darcho" (educate the child according to his way).
Yitzhak educated Esau, but not in a way that was
suitable for his personality and so he rebelled. Etc.,
etc. we know the rest. [...]46_23Oct200320:50:30-0700(PDT)barbmazor@yahoo.com 6701 59 32_RE: Does anyone know this souce?23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:29:09 -0500684_us-ascii This is always in my mind, Barbara. It relates very much to
homeschooling.

It relates to "Train up a child in the way he should go..."

Shoshana Sloman
Torch-d listowner

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org
>[mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Mazor
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 10:51 PM
>To: About religious Jewish home schooling
>Subject: Does anyone know this souce?
>
>
>There is a D'var Torah - I think we even talked about
>it on this list - that goes as follows, and I wonder
>if anyone knows the source.
>
>The question is if Ya'akov and Esau has the [...]40_24Oct200312:29:09-0500ssloman@netlab.com 6761 1236 32_RE: Does anyone know this souce?23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:30:44 -0500767_us-ascii That would be bad for all those "good kids" who feel that their parents
love the "problem child" more because of the extra time and energy they
spend on them.

Shoshana Sloman
Torch-d listowner

>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org
>[mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org] On Behalf Of Moriah (Mo-ree-ya)
>Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:36 AM
>To: About religious Jewish home schooling
>Cc: moriah@chesler.absol.com; torch-d@shamash.org
>Subject: Re: Does anyone know this souce?
>
>
>
>Barbara,
>
>Yes, it is Hirsh.
>
>Another source from the web referencing Hirsch can be found here,
>
>"Hirsch goes on to argue that Yitzhak failed pedagogically
>with Esav: [...]40_24Oct200312:30:44-0500ssloman@netlab.com 7998 363 34_RE: individuality in a Torah world23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:21:14 -0500742_us-ascii Just fantastically beautiful and right in line with everything I'm
thinking recently. Thanks so much for posting this!

Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-torch-d@shamash.org [mailto:owner-torch-d@shamash.org] On
Behalf Of O&A Werner
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 3:13 PM
To: About religious Jewish home schooling
Subject: individuality in a Torah world

I read the link that Moriah posted (thanks!), and found this particular
paragraph (copied below) to be especially relevant in light of recent
discussions on this list. Are we all supposed to act, dress, and think
the same, or did H-shem create us each unique for a purpose? There
[...]40_28Oct200322:21:14-0500ssloman@netlab.com 8362 452 28_RE: problem child/good child23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:41:51 -0500485_US-ASCII Devora, my heart goes out to you, with all you must deal with. At the
same time, I am in awe of you as a mother, because of your remark:

>I think that although he's having a difficult adolescence (and
childhood),
>he will find a place for himself as an adult.

Every child should be blessed to have parents who have so much faith in
G-d's plan and confidence in their children's ability to grow--whether
or not the child is a "problem" child. [...]40_29Oct200309:41:51-0500ssloman@netlab.com 8815 287 15_List Membership23_Shoshana Amelite Sloman18_ssloman@netlab.com31_Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:26:37 -0500135_US-ASCII Someone recently asked me how many members are on torch-d. We are now
over 130.

Shoshana Sloman
torch-d listowner40_30Oct200307:26:37-0500ssloman@netlab.com