1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/torch-d July 2001 1 2031 37_Re: Any families from North Carolina?0_17_RENALEVIN@aol.com29_Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:32:46 EDT868_US-ASCII Danise:
I have a friend who tells me that she has a sister-in-law who is a
homeschooler in North Carolina. WIll try to get the number and e-mail it to
you privately.

Rena

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>Please, never be embarrassed to ask. This is the best way to learn.

Yes, please don't hesitate to ask. If you are more comfortable asking in
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2 - Even those that post are not truly known to you; although their names and situations may be familiar, it is not possible to really know what a person [...]41_15Jul200100:06:16-0500ssloman@hotmail.com 3489 23 26_Re: Yagod Curriculum & IEP15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:11:06 -0500575_windows-1255 > Can anyone read this, or is it garbled Hebrew letters for all?
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> was in college. It was published in the Shavuon the biweekly pub
> by M.I.T. Hillel students. We were arguing about whether to say
> the infamous blessing WHO HAS NOT MADE ME A GOY.

Russell, do you have a similar one on saying WHO HAS NOT MADE ME A WOMAN?
:-) [...]41_17Jul200118:17:24-0500ssloman@hotmail.com 4314 96 21_Re: How GOYISH sounds15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:38:04 -0500607_iso-8859-1 I dislike it when others say they are better than I for whatever reason, so,
according to the Torah, I should remember this when I talk about others. I
can be proud of being who I am without arguing that this is necessarily a
better state than any other.

As for the birkot hashachar, since it is through the performance of the
mitzvot that we become "kadosh," naturally we thank God for insisting that we
makdeesh ourselves to that degree. Personally, I prefer the conservative
wording which thanks God for the positive: for making me free, for making me
Jewish, [...]41_18Jul200122:38:04-0500ssloman@hotmail.com 4411 1271 21_Re: How GOYISH sounds15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:10:07 -0500460_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message -----
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> BH
> Shoshana! Boy am I thankful when I hear the menfolk in my family saying
> "shelo osani isho"! They are just perfect the way they are! And I am very
> happy saying "she'osani kirtzono" in the positive!
> Shifra [...]41_19Jul200100:10:07-0500ssloman@hotmail.com 5683 566 31_Re: Who did not make me a woman15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:40:15 -0500460_iso-8859-1 Then I ask, trembling, what do you perceive the true reason for the bracha to be?

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Subject: Re: Who did not make me a woman

all these excuses and rationals have never sat right with me. I think that
all these "explanations" are just to pacify women.41_24Jul200117:40:15-0500ssloman@hotmail.com 6250 293 31_Re: Who did not make me a woman15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:55:21 -0500499_iso-8859-1 Do I understand correctly that you believe the true meaning of the bracha is, that since it really is great to be a man rather than a woman, men are thanking Hashem for the priviledge? Also, are you saying that Chabad was not following the correct Jewish path in expecting women to have responsiblities, whereas the shul you attend now has the orthodox Orthodox attitude? And, finally, are you implying that shul responsibilities (where the men rule) are what's important to Hashem? [...]41_30Jul200116:55:21-0500ssloman@hotmail.com