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2 389 19_History of spelling13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com30_Thu, 1 Mar 2001 22:31:20 -0500555_ISO-8859-1 All-
I know this may seem like a strange question, but I know
we have a lot of people on this list with a wide range of
knowledge. So here goes, maybe someone knows the
answer.
How did we come to pronounce the word "one" as "wun"?
This question came up when Jacob asked me what a
"one way" sign said. When I told him, he said "That's not
right. There is no 'W' at the beginning." So I told the kids
that some words are not spelled the way they are pronounced
nowadays, but are spelled the way the [...]41_1Mar200122:31:20-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
392 29 24_How do ya like it there?13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com30_Sun, 4 Mar 2001 12:28:39 -0500666_ISO-8859-1 Rivky -
Wow, Rivky, you'll be able to publish a book
when you get done with this survey
It is a go for us to go to Southfield for Pesach.
We will be staying until Wednesday morning
I think. I hope we will be able to get
together.
I'll try to answer your survey soon.
Barbara
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422 91 37_Re: History of spelling/pronunciation15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com30_Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:36:46 -0500373_iso-8859-1 Here's what I was able to find:
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Why is modern English one pronunced as "wun" and not as "oen"? Cf. alone,
lonely, only which contain the same morpheme; cf. further bone, stone, which
used to rhyme with one; cf. also home, which used to have the same vowel as
one.
The development from Old English ham 'home' went like this: [...]40_5Mar200111:36:46-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
514 517 28_Re: How do ya like it there?15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com30_Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:26:59 -0500410_iso-8859-1 > Where do you live?
South Bend, IN
> How long have you lived there?
6 months
> How large is the orthidox community ? How many shuls? How many schools?
> About how many families?
One Orthodox shul, about 200 families, one day school, one Bais Yaakov
girls' high school, one boys' yeshivah high school, and one secondary
yeshiva (rabbinical college). [...]40_5Mar200112:26:59-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
1032 28 10_Re: Survey15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com30_Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:18:14 -0500532_iso-8859-1 > alternative medicine is used by some here and if they are radicals they
are
> shunned ;
> if respectable people they are accepted.
I think this is what I was getting at about being a Torah Jew being the most
important thing, rather than the peripheral issues. People here (South
Bend) are accepted for leading frum lives and upholding Torah. If someone
was really radical - that is, going off the path of Torah in favor of some
alternative value - I don't think that would be accepted. [...]40_5Mar200119:18:14-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
1061 23 24_How da ya like it there?13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com30_Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:48:35 -0500586_ISO-8859-1 Rivky -
>>Are you the type of person i have to straighten the house up for?? :-)<<
No. Just remove any tripping hazards.;-)
>> Where exactly are you staying in southfield?<<
My sister-in-law, near the Young Israel.
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1085 353 33_History of spelling/pronunciation13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com30_Wed, 7 Mar 2001 06:48:33 -0500965_ISO-8859-1 Shoshana -
Thanks for the answer. I will check out that site.
It sounds great. How did you find it?
Barbara
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1439 601 37_Re: History of spelling/pronunciation15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com30_Wed, 7 Mar 2001 12:09:30 -0500952_iso-8859-1 "Thanks for the answer. I will check out that site.
It sounds great. How did you find it?"
I typed "pronunciation of one" in the search engine.
Shoshana Sloman
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2041 690 24_how da ya like it there?13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:42:10 -0500931_ISO-8859-1 Rivky -
>> the tripping hazards accumulate about every 5 minutes in this house<<
Sounds like my house
I will continue this conversation directly to your e-mail
address because I'm sure it is very boring for everyone
else.
Barbara
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2732 44 13_Re: The truth15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:53:54 -0500395_iso-8859-1 I like Dorothy's answer (below). This was one of our main reasons for
homeschooling. In addition to accommodating learning styles and speeds,
homeschooling allows you to focus on particular subjects of importance or
interest, while minimizing or ignoring unimportant or objectionable content
(which may not only waste the child's time, but actually damage him/her!). [...]41_13Mar200119:53:54-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
2777 873 13_Re: The truth15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:56:01 -0500307_iso-8859-1 > But, I have to admit that I usually do not say the above to
> non-homeschoolers, because I do not want to fight about what they are
> doing, and it is miles easier to give an excuse which is not really the
> reason we HS.
Just curious, Nechama - what "excuse" do you give? [...]41_13Mar200119:56:01-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
3651 1000 8_homework13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:52:48 -0500867_ISO-8859-1 Roseanne -
>>absolutely RUINING my
evenings<<
One of the most common comment I get when I say
we are hsing, is" wow, that must be a lot of work, but
for all the homework I have to do with my kids, I might
as well be hsing, too."
Barbara
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4652 693 17_Re: half and half15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:22:01 -0500378_iso-8859-1 > May I respectfully suggest that any message to anyone "personally" be
> sent off list? There are exceptions, of course, but if a message is truly
> addressed to one person, I'm not sure I want to read it. (Actually I
> delete a lot of messages from this list, because they are truly meant for
> only one person.)
> Just a thought,
> Virginia [...]41_19Mar200112:22:01-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
5346 341 20_1st grade curriculum13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:38:45 -0500606_ISO-8859-1 Kimberly -
>> I'm thinking of buying a first
grade curriculum from Torah u'mesorh or somewhere else<<
I live in Brooklyn and I just went to the Torah U'mesorah (tum)
bookstore this week (this was my 2nd visit). FWIW, IMO,
I don't think the tum materials are so appropriate for hsers.
They are mostly workbooks developed by school teachers
for school teachers. The teachers have a long day and many
children to teach at a time. So for them the repetition
of the workbooks is an efficient way to see if the children know
what the teacher was supposed to [...]42_21Mar200123:38:45-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
5688 188 13_welcome Aviva13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:45:20 -0500901_ISO-8859-1 Hello Aviva -
Welcome to our list. I am sure you will
find us helpful and useful. You are very
lucky because you have an experienced
hser right there in Seattle, Sue Lapin, who
is on this list.
Barbara
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5877 41 20_1st grade curriculum13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:10:24 -0500508_ISO-8859-1 All -
Kimberly, wrote this to me directly, but I think it fits for
general discussion on the list and I really don't know
the answer to her question.
>>Hi Barbara,
I want to thank you for your thoughtful response. You appraised the
materials from a hsing perspective, which I appreciate. Regarding
Feldheim, are their materials from a conservative, or orthodox (or
both?) perspective. Sometimes I cant tell from the info online.
Thanks again,
Kimberly<< [...]42_23Mar200107:10:24-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
5919 91 19_Getting it all done13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:10:29 -0500613_ISO-8859-1 Rivky -
>>I was wondering how you all get everything done
in the house and homeschool at the same time<<
I have been thinking about the same things lately.
I wanted to start a discussion on this, but I didn't
want to take everyone away from the Pesach
preparations.
>> I was wondering how you all feel about the subject of juggling it all.
Do
you unschool? and if you do, does that necessarily make it easier in terms
of juggling housework and schooling, or do you find yourself constantly
answering questions and running to the library with your kids [...]42_23Mar200107:10:29-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
6011 733 24_Re: 1st grade curriculum15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:46:48 -0500631_iso-8859-1 Feldheim publishes Orthodox materials.
When people give references, it would be good to include some information
about that aspect. In fact, one of the reasons I started torch-d was so
that that issue could be discussed without fear of offending anyone. For
instance, if someone explored a particular curriculum or publisher and found
problems with it being not too kosher in some aspect, or have sheimos on the
pages that you have to be careful about, or depicting girls or women in
yarmulkes or people in non-tznius dress or whatever, they could discuss it
with the rest of the group, [...]41_23Mar200110:46:48-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
6745 55 8_QUESTION13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:07:36 -0500378_ISO-8859-1 Dear "anonymous"
>>Now one of the parents wants to take our daughter to the local school for
a
Bris.
I really think that her seeing other kids in a school environment would be
a
really BAD idea at THIS particular time. I understand that in the future,
we
can not hide it from her. But we should not be advertising it right now.<< [...]42_24Mar200121:07:36-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
6801 248 26_book about making friends.13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:22:49 -0500482_ISO-8859-1 All and especially Rivky -
I came across this book at our children's library
the other day. (I was looking for something else.)
How Kids Make Friends
...secrets for making lots of friends, no matter how
shy you are.
by Lonnie Michelle
Published by Freedom Publishing Co.
62 pages
This book is written for children, age 8 and up.
I read it and thought it had good advice. I started
reading it with my kids, they loved it. [...]42_24Mar200123:22:49-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
7050 86 20_1st grade curriculum13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:29:53 -0500410_ISO-8859-1 Sue -
>>I visited the Torah U'mesorah store when I was visiting NY and
also came away unimpressed. It seemed like "1001 ways to
make a worksheet" rather than
truly creative things, with a few exceptions.<<
Thanks for the validation.
>> I have the In the Footsteps and it's tucked far away
in my shelf. I just didn't like the messages of a lot of the stories.<< [...]42_24Mar200123:29:53-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
7137 28 24_Re: 1st grade curriculum15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:53:41 -0500379_iso-8859-1 >> I have the In the Footsteps and it's tucked far away
in my shelf. I just didn't like the messages of a lot of the stories.<<
>I know what you mean. When I browsed it in the store, I happened
upon a story I liked. But I when I looked at it later, I said, "I don't
think I agree with this point." I'm glad to hear you have that feeling
too. = [...]41_25Mar200100:53:41-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
7166 258 12_Re: QUESTION15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:56:37 -0500642_iso-8859-1 > > > THANKS
> > Anonymous list member
>
> As courtesy to others, please sign your posts. Also, please be aware that
> if you have net security concerns, signing "anonymous" won't help you.
Actually, signing "anonymous" doesn't help much, anyway, since the
recipient's email address is on the message when it arrives in listmembers
mailboxes. However, I am not against people occassionally submitting
something anonymously (perhaps through the moderator or myself), if there is
a sensitive issue that they would like to address. But I wouldn't want it
to be a regular feature of torch-d. :-) [...]41_25Mar200100:56:37-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
7425 164 12_Re: QUESTION15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:04:43 -0500545_iso-8859-1 > Actually, I didn't want anyone to know whether the question was submitted
by
> the husband or the wife. With all due respect to the list members, I have
> felt a tad bit of bias in the past based on gender. That was my reason for
> the secrecy. By the way, the email address may or may not reflect who
> actually sent this post... So keep guessing. In addition, I wouldn't mind
> hearing answers from both sexes on this issue as well. I won't make a
habit
> of anonymous submissions... but this time it [...]41_25Mar200118:04:43-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
7590 38 20_1st grade curriculum13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:21:06 -0500375_ISO-8859-1 Shoshana -
>>I am interested to know what the problem was with the message of the
stories?<<
Story #3 is about the Vilna Gaon. He is very stymied by
a passage in the Yerushalmi. When his student
R. Chaim of Volozhin comes to visit he is able to
explain the passage. The Vilna Gaon is overjoyed
that his student has surpassed him. [...]42_27Mar200111:21:06-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
7629 91 19_children's haggadah13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:21:08 -0500648_ISO-8859-1 Merilyn -
>>Do you have recommendations for children's haggadah suitable for
4 year olds and where to purchase them online?<<
The Artscroll Children's Hagadah by Shmuel Blitz and Illustrated
by Tova Katz has very brightly colored illustrations that my children
like. It has nice large print and some interesting points for
discussion.
Kar-Ben Copies, Inc of Rockville MD 1- 800 - 4 KARBEN has
"My Very Own Haggadah" for young children - which I think
I had at one time, but can't find right now. They also have
"A Family Haggadah" by Shoshan Silberman, Illus. by
Katherine Janus Kahn. I [...]42_27Mar200111:21:08-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
7721 253 24_Re: 1st grade curriculum15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:32:39 -0500608_iso-8859-1 Barbara wrote:
"In the course of describing the V.G.,
the story says he spent 3 days in his study, wrapped
in talit and tefillin, not eating nor drinking, nor talking
to his family, trying to understand the passage. His
family was very worried about him.
I have several problems with this."
Interesting that you picked this story. I am always disturbed by accounts
of the Gaon's life. I do not even approach imagining that I can judge or
criticize his behavior in any way, I just don't like to hear about it! For
the kids, I would emphasize that the [...]41_27Mar200112:32:39-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
7975 162 34_Re: Vilna Gaon/ normative behavior15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:23:18 -0500445_iso-8859-1 > But, dear homeschoolers, what if we have a child who could be capable
> of Torah greatness on a higher level if s/he DID learn without
interruption?
> We ARE trying to homeschool to bring our children's full potential
> into fruition. I wouldn't push my child before s/he were ready, but I
> definitely want to build up his/her powers of concentration to think
> for as long as necessary to finish a problem. [...]41_27Mar200118:23:18-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
8138 183 24_Re: 1st grade curriculum15_Shoshana Sloman19_ssloman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:16:25 -0500338_iso-8859-1 > I am surprised at the responses to this story. I do not know the lesson
> that this story is purported to teach, and that may make the story more or
> less appropriate to a given child. But why this discomfort with the notion
> of a personality who is so totally consumed by Torah study/spiritual
> pursuit? [...]41_27Mar200122:16:25-0500ssloman@hotmail.com
8322 208 18_In Their Footsteps13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:23:01 -0500548_ISO-8859-1 Sue -
Thanks for you comments on this. You say things far
better than I ever could.
Chana and others -
Thanks for your comments on this. It has given me something
to think about.
>>But why this discomfort with the notion of a personality
who is so totally consumed by Torah study/spiritual
pursuit?<<
The story is part of a section on Love of Torah. I
think the editors wanted to make the point that even
the great, totally immersed scholar can still learn from
his students. [...]42_29Mar200103:23:01-0500aimpe@compuserve.com
8531 517 21_good deal on shtender13_Barbara Mazor20_aimpe@compuserve.com31_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 03:23:04 -0500383_ISO-8859-1 All -
We find it is easier and more comfortable to read
books if they are propped up.
I found a wooden table-top shtender (lecturn) on sale for
$6.99 plus $4.00. This is a really good price.
If you are interested it is available at www.milechai.com
(I'm not involved in this store - I just thought I'd pass
on an unusual bargain) [...]42_29Mar200103:23:04-0500aimpe@compuserve.com