1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting January 1997 2 42 9_Re: Humor0_21_moshes@vms.huji.ac.il36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:11:00 -0500 (EST)401_- Jeff Schlang writes: > CHANUKAH > > 'T was the night before Chanukah, as it is said > And Santa was sitting and hocking his head

Jeff thanks for this beutiful takeoff. You had me ROTFL.

Just a few corrections to you Yiddish dictionary.



> Very Rough Translations of yiddish: > zeckel= bag * maidlach = girl * peckel = coin peckel = package [...] 45 44 41_Re: Non-Jewish Mom trying to be sensative8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:29:59 -0500 (EST)572_- In <5a1ej7$ib8@news1.mtholyoke.edu> wmarsden@MtHolyoke.EDU writes:

> A jewish five year old came over for the day. My house is the > sort of mess that happens when a hundred dollars worth of toys > drop from the sky into your livingroom with no clear place to put > them away. Everywhere the kids turned were new presents, not to > mention stories of miracles involving Santa Claus. We went out for > haircuts and the entire topic was "what did Santa bring you." > > HOW DO YOU HANDLE IT?!? I was so frustrated! I smiled blandly How about saying, "Different [...] 90 49 7_Schools12_Adele Bolson26_102437.1612@CompuServe.COM36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 11:30:46 -0500 (EST)364_- In an earlier post I wrote about some school problems, a school assignment left on our voice mail on Yom Kippur, insensitivity about time needed to prepare for a bat mitzvah. Sharon Davis asked me for an update. I should relate that this school was not public, but was private, non-sectarian, so I felt my only recourse is to deal directly with the school. [...] 140 39 50_Re: Booklet for Schools (SCJ-PARENTING digest 346)0_16_JRomjrom@aol.com36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:21:25 -0500 (EST)405_- In a message dated 97-01-01 00:04:41 EST, you write:

<< ersonally I think you have a worse problem than religious intolerance, I feel your daughter is being religiously discriminated. I would go the the ACLU, or the state senator, or even the EEOC. I would write letters starting with the Rabbi of the temple, the newspaper, the television stations I would go to the Anti-defamation league. [...] 180 56 36_Re: Religious intolerance in schools14_Robyn Kozierok16_robyn@ai.mit.edu36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:47:42 -0500 (EST)566_- Adele wrote: >>Our cantor asked our daughter to take the Friday before her bat mitzvah off >>from school, to do a final practice and rest up. I suggested she let her >>teachers know so that she could pick up assignments in advance. Her math >>teacher gave her a very hard time, because it was the last day of school >>before finals, and they were going to have a VERY IMPORTANT review >>session. "I guess you're just going to have to decide what's more >>important, your bat mitzvah, or SCHOOL!" she told her. Jen decided she >>just couldn't miss school that [...] 237 42 19_booklet for schools0_16_JRomjrom@aol.com36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:48:45 -0500 (EST)567_- In a message dated 96-12-30 00:16:17 EST, you write:

<< I think we run the risk of becomeing *too* defensive with the concept of a booklet. I think that school boards need to be aware of the sensitivities of all religions - Judaism is not the *only* minority religion in this country. Do all religions need to print up these booklets? And to whom will they be distributed? To the teachers only? And if so, how does that help the parents to understand? And if these booklets are distributed to parents, how many people of those "other" religions want to [...] 280 49 41_Re: Non-Jewish Mom trying to be sensative14_Robyn Kozierok16_robyn@ai.mit.edu36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:54:15 -0500 (EST)600_- In article <5a1ej7$ib8@news1.mtholyoke.edu>, Wendy Marsden wrote:

>here's my problem: I want to know how to NOT be part of the problem >the jewish children are facing at Christmas-time. > > A jewish five year old came over for the day. My house is the >sort of mess that happens when a hundred dollars worth of toys >drop from the sky into your livingroom with no clear place to put >them away. Everywhere the kids turned were new presents, not to >mention stories of miracles involving Santa Claus. We went out for >haircuts and the entire topic was "what did [...] 330 62 39_Re: Another Way to Make Herself Visible0_14_AlKeis@aol.com36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 12:55:36 -0500 (EST)496_- In a message dated 97-01-01 00:04:41 EST, Beth wrote:

<< She read in a magazine today that the American Doll Company has gotten requests for a Native American doll and for an Asian doll. (For those of you who don't know, there are five historical dolls, all Christian. They come with books, clothes, accessories, etc. They come with a past and a history.) Even though the company sold tiny chanukiot, Chanukah gelt, a dreidel, and Jewish star pendants for the contemporary dolls >> [...] 393 35 22_Re: Purim presentation9_K Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 14:26:32 -0500 (EST)552_- Irene Bleiweiss writes: |> I would like to do a Purim presentation for my daughter's second grade |> class. [snip] |> |> What are other parent's opinions on whether it would be ok to read the |> story of Purim,on a day other than actual Purim? Would it be appropriate |> for me to adapt the story of Esther to reduce it to about 5-10 minutes of |> highlights, without the "whole Megillah"? Any problem with giving out |> groggers (probably of the leftover from New Year's Eve sort?) and have |> the kids make noise when I say [...] 429 58 38_Re: Submission (Guidebook for Schools)14_Marny Helfrich15_marny@clark.net36_Thu, 2 Jan 1997 17:12:17 -0500 (EST)589_- [moderator's note: I am approving this posting which shows precedent for the sensitivity guidebook we have been discussing, but future replies should be sure to focus back on the Jewish parenting issues. --RK]

ADELE BRADY BOLSON (102437.1612@CompuServe.COM) wrote: : : : : It would not be the goal of such a booklet to proselytize, but to educate. : And, : yes, I think other minority religions would be wise to provide similar : material. : I was thinking of such a booklet being distributed to administrators and : teachers so that they will know what they need to know in [...] 488 35 36_Re: Religious intolerance in schools19_Lynne A Fitzsimmons25_lynnef@mdhost.cse.tek.com36_Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:23:40 -0500 (EST)553_- > I >think the cantor was out of line in requesting that she skip school in >the first place. I don't know anyone who skipped school on the Friday >before their Bar/Bat Mitzvah and we all did just fine.

Gosh. All the kids here take the Friday off! What with the cantor wanting a final review, family all arriving, cookie plates to set up, etc, etc, etc! Rebecca's teachers gave us no problem at all. Our cantor has so many children to get ready for Bar/Bat Mitzvah that the best time to get her undivided attention is during school hours! [...] 524 51 36_Re: Religious intolerance in schools12_naomi pardue19_npardue@indiana.edu36_Fri, 3 Jan 1997 11:39:55 -0500 (EST)501_- Marc Davis (mdavis@infi.net) wrote: > > Our cantor asked our daughter to take the Friday before her bat mitzvah > off> > from > > school, to do a final practice and rest up. I suggested she let her > > teachers know so that she could pick up assignments in advance. Her math teacher> > gave > > her a very hard time, because it was the last day of school before finals, > > and they were going to have a VERY IMPORTANT review session. "I guess you're> > just > > going to have to decide what's [...] 576 30 11_T' BiShevat18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu36_Sun, 5 Jan 1997 05:39:20 -0500 (EST)343_- I am currently planning a T' BiShevat Seder in my home for families. We have a short service we will do. I would then like to do a project with teh children. The ages of the kids will vary. Does anyone have any ideas on projects to do (not planting please) or any books that can spark a discussion about taking care of th eenvironment. [...] 607 44 23_Re: patterns for kippot11_Sum Dum Goy24_edutton@worldnet.att.net36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 02:59:54 -0500 (EST)676_- "Ilene S. Van Houter" wrote:



>MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From: "Ilene S. Van Houter" >Subject: patterns for kippot





>I have sewn kippot out of fabric remnants to match my boys' shirts. For >a pattern I used an old yarmulke. I cut out one section and used it as a >pattern, adding on .25 inch seam allowance. If you are working with less >experienced sewers, you might want to leave .5 inch seam allowance. Put >one section on top of another, right sides together, and sew along the >seam allowance. Open up the two sections and repeat with [...] 652 36 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 3470_16_Elizcat1@aol.com36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 03:01:18 -0500 (EST)613_- >We complain when the schools schedule activities that conflict with our >religious observances; shouldn't the school have a right to complain when we >schedule religious activities during school hours.

I totally disagree with this statement. I don't think the school has a leg to stand on compared to my child's religious obligations. When a public school has events that conflict with our religious observance, we take the appropriate actions, i.e., not sending our kids to school on Yom Kippur if you live in a district that does not close that day. Are you suggesting that if there was some big [...] 689 54 31_School and Bar/Bat Mitzvah prep14_Robyn Kozierok16_robyn@ai.mit.edu36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 11:32:09 -0500 (EST)665_- In article <970103140442_2054514089@emout12.mail.aol.com>, wrote: > >>We complain when the schools schedule activities that conflict with our >>religious observances; shouldn't the school have a right to complain when we >>schedule religious activities during school hours. > >I totally disagree with this statement. I don't think the school has a >leg to stand on compared to my child's religious obligations. When a >public school has events that conflict with our religious observance, we >take the appropriate actions, i.e., not sending our kids to school on Yom >Kippur if you live in a district that does not close that day. Are you [...] 744 63 15_Re: T' BiShevat14_Peter Eckstein21_efroach@ix.netcom.com36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:28:14 -0500 (EST)507_- Thomas A Longstaff wrote: > > I am currently planning a T' BiShevat Seder in my home for families. We > have a short service we will do. I would then like to do a project with > teh children. The ages of the kids will vary. Does anyone have any ideas > on projects to do (not planting please) or any books that can spark a > discussion about taking care of th eenvironment. > > Thank you > > andi > Andi Kaufman > tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu > mom to Isaac 8/23/90 > > Never underestimate the power of this [...] 808 26 36_Orthodox Day Schools in Philadelphia14_Bentzion Turin18_bentzion@flash.net36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 13:42:46 -0500 (EST)261_- I am looking for the adress and phone number for orthodox day schools in the Philadelphia area.

Thank You *********************************************************************

"Torah He Vililmod Ani Tzarich" It is Torah and learn I must [Talmud] 835 44 33_the breastfeeding the shul thread13_S Silverstein18_silverst@xs4all.nl36_Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:00:26 -0500 (EST)306_- YMMV!

I guess I'm not all that modest in most situations, like airplanes, stores, etc.! :) The other night I even co-led erev shabbat services -- and gave the drash while nursing. (Nothing but kudos from the congregation. Of course it was a small group, mostly gay, and we're in Holland. :)) [...] 880 34 35_Re: School and Bar/Bat Mitzvah prep8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU36_Wed, 8 Jan 1997 01:19:50 -0500 (EST)444_- In <970103140442_2054514089@emout12.mail.aol.com> Elizcat1@aol.com writes:

> >We complain when the schools schedule activities that conflict with our > >religious observances; shouldn't the school have a right to complain when we > >schedule religious activities during school hours. > > I totally disagree with this statement. I don't think the school has a > leg to stand on compared to my child's religious obligations. When a [...] 915 48 39_Re: Another Way to Make Herself Visible15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov36_Wed, 8 Jan 1997 13:18:11 -0500 (EST)470_- In article <970101161631_744919788@emout09.mail.aol.com>, AlKeis@aol.com wrote:

> > In terms of being left out, you might want to remind your daughter that that > is not really at the same level for most of us as it is for an Asian or > Native American child -- most of us come from European stock, which is well > represented & while there may not be a Jewish doll, there isn't an Italian > one, a Greek one, an Irish one, an hispanic one, etc, either. > [...] 964 84 36_Re: Religious intolerance in schools15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov36_Wed, 8 Jan 1997 17:22:10 -0500 (EST)580_- In article <5ac1kt$mv3@life.ai.mit.edu>, robyn@ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) wrote:

> Adele wrote: > >>Our cantor asked our daughter to take the Friday before her bat mitzvah > off > >>from school, to do a final practice and rest up. I suggested she let her > >>teachers know so that she could pick up assignments in advance. Her math > >>teacher gave her a very hard time, because it was the last day of school > >>before finals, and they were going to have a VERY IMPORTANT review > >>session. "I guess you're just going to have to decide what's more > >>important, [...] 1049 44 22_Re: Purim presentation13_Wendy Marsden22_wmarsden@MtHolyoke.EDU36_Wed, 8 Jan 1997 19:11:27 -0500 (EST)554_- Irene Bleiweiss (IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov) wrote: > What are other parent's opinions on whether it would be ok to read the > story of Purim,on a day other than actual Purim? Would it be appropriate > for me to adapt the story of Esther to reduce it to about 5-10 minutes of > highlights, without the "whole Megillah"? Any problem with giving out > groggers (probably of the leftover from New Year's Eve sort?) and have > the kids make noise when I say Haman's name? I've always thought of > these things as fun, historical, and cultural but not among the [...] 1094 44 58_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 350--bar mitzvah/school conflicts0_16_JRomjrom@aol.com36_Thu, 9 Jan 1997 01:43:53 -0500 (EST)488_- In a message dated 97-01-07 00:01:55 EST, you write:

<< I don't remember anyone needing to take time off school to prepare for their Bar or Bat Mitzvah when I was 13. Is this really a common practice now? As important as a young adult's Bar/Bat Mitzvah is, do people really think it's right to intentionally schedule practice to conflict with school when other arrangements are possible? Do Day School students typically take the day off before their Bar or Bat Mitzvah? >> [...] 1139 21 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 3490_16_STEINMOS@aol.com36_Thu, 9 Jan 1997 03:35:37 -0500 (EST)423_- There are some wonderful books available. My son has "100 ways kids can help the environment". For younger kids, a great book is "Planting a rainbow garden", it is one of my favorites. Any recycling project, like using milk cartons to make a train, making pencil holders from old frozen juice cans, etc., can be a big hit. Glad you are doing projects to involve the kids. Shalom, Patti, mom of Mick and Kevin Joshua [...] 1161 22 39_Re: Another Way to Make Herself Visible16_Enid Yvonne Karr19_ekarr@ix.netcom.com36_Thu, 9 Jan 1997 04:07:40 -0500 (EST)422_- This is such a coincidence... I just posted today on misc.kids about how my daughters have 'Barbie goes to shul' outfits and conduct services for them! This was completelly their idea, my husband and I were stunned.

Enid

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 1184 34 22_Re: Purim presentation8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU36_Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:04:42 -0500 (EST)365_- In <5b0n9p$pa1@news1.mtholyoke.edu> wmarsden@MtHolyoke.EDU writes:



> In fact, I wouldn't mind if you went ON Purim, except for the fact that > you probably wouldn't want to be there then. I think it would be a good > idea to go a few days before Purim so that the other kids know why the > Jewish kids aren't in school...not just cutting. ;-) [...] 1219 90 41_Re: Non-Jewish Mom trying to be sensative0_17_muldrow@enter.net36_Thu, 9 Jan 1997 11:06:32 -0500 (EST)346_- > Try to get > across that Santa did not go to his house, so they shouldn't ask what > Santa brought him.

Also, keep in mind that some Jewish families *do* allow Santa to come. We do. And we use those words to get across the point that it's the *family's decision* whether Santa comes, not that some families don't "get" something. [...] 1310 21 40_5th Grade Klezmer band looking for music12_David Ehrens19_david@pencilnet.com37_Sun, 12 Jan 1997 09:34:26 -0500 (EST)455_- My daughter's 5th grade Hebrew school would like to organize a Klezmer band and are looking for music that they would have a reasonable chance of playing. The musicians include saxophone/clarinet, piano, and violin.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 1332 58 26_Re: Making Herself Visible18_William D. Ratnoff17_wratnof@emory.edu37_Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:05:21 -0500 (EST)556_- William D. Ratnoff Friday, January 10, 1997

Happy New Year to all. Our 3 1/2 y.o. daughter Anne is thoroughly aware of the existence of Barbie dolls although there are none in our home (and I aim to keep it that way:-) ). I think the idea of adapting Jewish costumes and activities to these dolls is a great idea, and both ironic and amusing when you consider that the woman who created the Barbie Doll is Jewish. I think she's still the CEO. Maybe she'd be open to a serious proposal. What Jewish organizations might endorse and put forward [...] 1391 31 65_Making Barbie Jewish, was Re: Another Way to Make Herself Visable0_27_dmclxndr@msuvx2.memphis.edu37_Mon, 13 Jan 1997 01:05:21 -0500 (EST)602_- Regarding making Barbie dolls (and such) appropriate for model play for our homes, it is possible, and fun, to make Barbie "like us" as Miriam (8) said. I'm no seamstress myself, although I can handsew alright, but last Pesach I made white satin tallitot for Barbie and Ken as the afikomen prize. Have since crocheted tiny kipot and acquired miniature wine goblets, wine bottle, candlesticks for Barbie's shabbat, always a highlight of the weekend. She fashioned her own small brown playdoh challah which dried and has survived much play, and one of these days I'll get around to embroidering a [...] 1423 28 28_CTTS (Cute things they sing)12_naomi pardue19_npardue@indiana.edu37_Mon, 13 Jan 1997 02:00:13 -0500 (EST)438_- Overheard Shaina (5) singing earlier this evening: (To the tune that will be obvious)

"On the first night of Hanukkah we light one candle, And we light a shammash too..." "On the second night of Hanukkah we light two candles, And we get presents, And we light a Shammash too."

Other verses addressed chocolate gelt, dreydals and others. I was sure she must have heard the song somewhere, but she says she made it up. [...] 1452 43 44_Re: 5th Grade Klezmer band looking for music0_18_fiddlerzvi@aol.com37_Mon, 13 Jan 1997 11:46:57 -0500 (EST)578_- In article <5b8jf8$16s_002@iriscom.ici.net>, david@pencilnet.com (David Ehrens) writes:

>My daughter's 5th grade Hebrew school would like to organize a Klezmer band >and are looking for music that they would have a reasonable chance of >playing. >The musicians include saxophone/clarinet, piano, and violin.

Kammen has two folios (#1 and #9 -- go figure) with instrumentation for various instruments, both C, B flat and piano. The piano folio has chords You can probably get ordering information from Tara publications. Their website is www.jewishmusic.com [...] 1496 38 26_Re: Making Herself Visible16_Meredith Warshaw17_mwarshaw@tiac.net37_Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:43:37 -0500 (EST)495_- "William D. Ratnoff" wrote: > >I'd like to expand the whole notion that Frederick Rosenblatt has raised. >What about the inclusion of Jewish customs and holiday practices in our >children's favorite television programs- Sesame Street and Barney?

I agree completely! I was annoyed that Sesame Street had a Xmas special this year. BTW, this is not the only area they neglect - not one of the kids of regular characters on the show is from a single-parent family. [...] 1535 47 55_Hanukkah/Christmas gripes (was: Making Herself Visible)0_7_???@???37_Tue, 14 Jan 1997 10:14:46 -0500 (EST)408_- >From article <5bdjf9$qp5@news-central.tiac.net>, by mwarshaw@tiac.net (Meredith Warshaw): > > There was a Shari Lewis special for a Jewish holiday (I forget > whether it was Chanukah or Pesach). Although it wasn't very good, > at least it _was_ something aimed for kids on public TV.

Oogh, it was pretty bad. It was for Hanukkah, by the way. The RugRats Hanukkah special was noticably better. [...] 1583 74 59_Re: Hanukkah/Christmas gripes (was: Making Herself Visible)14_Ellis Bromberg17_bromberg@uiuc.edu37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:41:44 -0500 (EST)433_- In article <5be1nr$ntc@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:

>From article <5bdjf9$qp5@news-central.tiac.net>, >by mwarshaw@tiac.net (Meredith Warshaw): >> >> There was a Shari Lewis special for a Jewish holiday (I forget >> whether it was Chanukah or Pesach). Although it wasn't very good, >> at least it _was_ something aimed for kids on public TV. [...] 1658 59 27_Re: Counter-Missionary Orgs12_Michael Rand16_MikeRand@msn.com37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 05:41:50 -0500 (EST)634_- Two very worthy counter-missionary organizations are being confused here.

Rabbi Tovia Singer is the director of "Outreach Judaism", (800) 315-5397. Information about this organization, an audio tape series it has produced, plus lectures and other resources, is available at this website: http://rampages.onramp.net/~denniso

"Jews for Judaism" is directed by Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz, (310) 854-3381. They have a very informative Web site at: http://www.jewsforjudaism.org Books, tapes, and other resources are listed, along with thumbnail biographies of the organization's leaders, and links to other useful sites. [...] 1718 25 30_Prosletyzing on college campus8_KRISSFAM16_krissfam@aol.com37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 09:30:29 -0500 (EST)642_- Your thoughts on the following is appreciated. My son,19,attends Elon College in N.C. For various reasons he started socializing with other students who belong to Intervarsity, a Christian club on campus. He attended bible study sessions which promoted the belief in Christ as the messiah and was "converted". Two chaplains,employed by the school and two faculty advisers were aware of this 3 month turnaround of 19 years of upbringing,education and celebration of holidays and culture. No one at the school advised us of this turnaround-wouldn't it seem that something was askance? We have hopefully re-educated our son with the help [...] 1744 69 29_Re: Hanukkah/Christmas gripes14_Andrea Herrera15_andreah@utj.org37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:59:54 -0500 (EST)625_- > From: jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H

> In any case, I feel that running Hanukkah specials during "the holiday > season" is a mistake.

I disagree. I think it is important that we help to educate the rest of the world, that Christmas is NOT the only holiday in Decmeber. I have noticed that in years past when Hanukkah was very early, that Hanukkah programming appeared during Hanukkah, the same for the little blurbs on TV saying "Happy Hanukkah". I feel it is responsible programming as opposed to running Hanukkah specials the week before Christmas, when Hanukkah was weeks earlier. [...] 1814 59 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:29:54 -0500 (EST)704_- >From article <19970115055301.AAA24948@ladder01.news.aol.com>, by krissfam@aol.com (KRISSFAM):

> ... My son, 19, ... started socializing with other students who belong > to Intervarsity, a Christian club on campus. He attended bible study > sessions which promoted the belief in Christ as the messiah and was > "converted".

The Intervarsity Christian Fellowship is a national group, with British roots. It is fundamentally missionary in orientation, but not fundamentalist in the modern sense of the word. As such, their approach to bible study is more intellectual, with a deeper influence from main-line Protestant theology, and as a result, potentially more seductive to educated [...] 1874 44 59_Re: Hanukkah/Christmas gripes (was: Making Herself Visible)47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu37_Wed, 15 Jan 1997 21:15:57 -0500 (EST)372_- *Moderator's Note -- While letting this post through as a follow up to the Sheri Lewish specials, I ask that posters responding to this remember that posts should contain content relating to raising children in a Jewish context. Thank you.

Responding to my criticism of Shari Lewis's "Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah," Ellis Bromberg (bromberg@uiuc.edu) wrote: [...] 1919 50 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU37_Thu, 16 Jan 1997 08:53:07 -0500 (EST)666_- In <19970115055301.AAA24948@ladder01.news.aol.com> krissfam@aol.com writes:

> Your thoughts on the following is appreciated. My son,19,attends Elon > College in N.C. For various reasons he started socializing with other > students who belong to Intervarsity, a Christian club on campus. He > attended bible study sessions which promoted the belief in Christ as the > messiah and was "converted". Two chaplains,employed by the school and two > faculty advisers were aware of this 3 month turnaround of 19 years of > upbringing,education and celebration of holidays and culture. No one at > the school advised us of this turnaround-wouldn't it seem that [...] 1970 48 32_Re: CTTS (Cute things they sing)13_Lee R. Golden23_lgolden@telerama.lm.com37_Thu, 16 Jan 1997 11:04:56 -0500 (EST)640_- I believe it was on the Sherri Lewis Channukah special on PBS.

Lee Golden





In article <5b46ej$jj9@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, naomi pardue wrote: >Overheard Shaina (5) singing earlier this evening: (To the tune that will >be obvious) > >"On the first night of Hanukkah we light one candle, >And we light a shammash too..." >"On the second night of Hanukkah we light two candles, >And we get presents, >And we light a Shammash too." > >Other verses addressed chocolate gelt, dreydals and others. I was sure >she must have heard the song somewhere, but she says she made it up. > >Naomi [...] 2019 33 20_Chanukah/xmas gripes19_Ilene S. Van Houter25_bk375@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU37_Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:03:09 -0500 (EST)545_- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Ilene S. Van Houter" Subject: Chanukah/xmas gripes





In 4th grade my son discovered a book called The Christmas Revolution, by Barbara Cohen. It is about a Jewish child living in rural America who refuses to sing carols in school, and a sibling who *likes* the Xmas stuff that goes on in school. The child that objects explores how to do so, respectfully, and tries to persuade the few other Jewish children to join her. [...] 2053 27 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus21_Rachelle J. Bienstock29_rachelle@picard.niehs.nih.gov37_Thu, 16 Jan 1997 13:15:06 -0500 (EST)607_- I think it is particularly difficult also at a college which has no support system for Jewish students- i.e. no Hillel or Jewish Students Organization, and a very small Jewish student population. Students in college are particularly vulnurable because they are questioning what they have learned from their parents versus what they experience on their own to form their own mature identity.. The optimum situation is if a child selects a college which has a Hillel, Young Israel or some other Jewish Students organization and then can be encouraged to at least attend some events. It is also one way [...] 2081 30 29_Re: Hanukkah/Christmas gripes11_gail storch12_gss5@psu.edu37_Fri, 17 Jan 1997 09:49:12 -0500 (EST)618_- My 2 cents:

I feel that public schools should ignore all religious holidays and just concentrate on purely academic matters, leaving religious teaching to parents and places of worship. But realistically, I know that just ain't gonna happen. So, as alternate B, I propose that in December the public schools should do the usual x-mas hoopla and skip Chanukah altogether because it is a holiday that was basically invented so that Jewish kids wouldn't feel bad when their gentile friends were all getting presents. BUT, during Passover, which is a holy holiday that virtually all Jews (even of the Sunday [...] 2112 43 12_Re: Specials0_16_Elizcat1@aol.com37_Fri, 17 Jan 1997 10:22:30 -0500 (EST)340_- I am not familiar with the Shari Lewis specials, but I do think that the Rugrats is worth watching. They have specials for both Chanukah and Pesach, and both are very well done. My daughter is only 19 months old but she is pretty fond of Angelica, and Rugrats is the only thing besides Barney (aaaccckkkk!) that holds her attention. [...] 2156 60 64_REVIEW: "The Diary of Dawid Sierakowiak. Five Notebooks from the14_Kamil Turowski22_kamil@worldnet.att.net37_Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:07:52 -0500 (EST)337_- [Moderator's Note: This book review was written by an acquaintance of the translator, Kamil Turowski. I have included it, after much correspondance with Mr. Turowski, because I believe there is a dearth of holocaust material suitable for teenagers and because the newsgroup often overlooks this age group as well. -- Nina Salkin] [...] 2217 23 30_Prosletyzing on college campus9_Dana Lear23_d.lear@cchs.usyd.edu.au37_Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:53:10 -0500 (EST)605_- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: d.lear@cchs.usyd.edu.au (Dana Lear) Subject: Prosletyzing on college campus

I'm afraid I have to say I agree with Doug Jones on this one. Your son is legally an adult and not only do they not have the responsibility to contact you, they don't have the right. As I understand it, our job as parents is to bring them up with the values that are important to us and hope for the best. Apparently this group provides your son with some kind of support he needs, and 're-educating him' won't resolve that. Perhaps you can help [...] 2241 28 16_Tu BiShvat seder19_Keith Jeremy Posner17_posner@sodalia.it37_Mon, 20 Jan 1997 14:25:49 -0500 (EST)596_- Our little community here in Northen Italy is organizing a Tu BiShvat seder especially aimed at the children in the group (i.e. grape juice rather than wine, getting the chilren to creeate 'fruit pictures' and 'fruit sculptures' using the seven types of fruit traditionally eaten at Tu BiShvat). We know what sort of fruits to eat and in what sort of order (hard outside-edible inside eg nuts, edible outside-hard inside eg olives, pomegranates, and all edible eg grapes, figs). We're not sure however which texts to read in a seder of this sort. We know Deuteronomy 8:8 which records the [...] 2270 89 61_ANNOUNCE: Summer Volunteer Opportunities for Jewish Teenagers0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com37_Mon, 20 Jan 1997 16:06:06 -0500 (EST)446_- ANNOUNCEMENT High School Juniors & Seniors: Have a Summer of Mitzvah & Meaning With AJSS Find AJSS on the WEB - http://www.ajss.org -------------------------------------------------------------

High school juniors and seniors who have outgrown traditional summer camps, and want to take on the mitzvah of helping others, will want to know about the 1997 summer work camps sponsored by AJSS, the American Jewish Society for Service. [...] 2360 27 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus8_Rechtman16_rechtman@aol.com37_Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:00:09 -0500 (EST)509_- I may be wrong about this, but to the best of my knowledge a 19 years old is an ADULT by all means. There is now legal power in the country (US) to force an adult to belive in anything.

You may be upset about the "quick conversion" -- but in my very narrow exposer to this particular situation it seems that a quick conversion is not possible. I would tend to see it as a result of being exposed to something new and fascanating which could in the long run lead to conversion or change of mind. [...] 2388 64 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus17_Charlie Goldstein20_cg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu37_Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:51:26 -0500 (EST)655_- Excerpts from netnews.soc.culture.jewish.parenting: 15-Jan-97 Prosletyzing on college campus by KRISSFAM@aol.com > Your thoughts on the following is appreciated. My son,19,attends Elon > College in N.C. For various reasons he started socializing with other > students who belong to Intervarsity, a Christian club on campus. He > attended bible study sessions which promoted the belief in Christ as the > messiah and was "converted". Two chaplains,employed by the school and two > faculty advisers were aware of this 3 month turnaround of 19 years of > upbringing,education and celebration of holidays and culture. No one at > the school advised us [...] 2453 19 20_RE: Tu BiShvat seder0_28_metzgerda@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU37_Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:37:13 -0500 (EST)340_- You may find some ideas for your sedar athe the Jewish Communication's Network Tu B'Shvat Haggadah http://www.jcn18.com/holiday/Tu_bshvt/hag1.htm

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 2473 28 20_Re: Tu BiShvat seder16_Workmen's Circle22_a014737t@bc.seflin.org37_Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:13:30 -0500 (EST)320_- one reference i used was "a seder for tu b'shevat" by harlene winnick appelman and jane sherwin shapiro, published by kar-ben in maryland, usa.

this uses a format similar to the passover seder, with four cups of wine, and four questions to be asked and answered.

don't think it used specific texts. [...] 2502 78 35_Re: Proselytizing on college campus4_Jodi23_js_nvtk@netvision.co.il37_Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:43:49 -0500 (EST)669_- KRISSFAM wrote in article <19970115055301.AAA24948@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > Your thoughts on the following is appreciated. My son,19,attends Elon > College in N.C. For various reasons he started socializing with other > students who belong to Intervarsity, a Christian club on campus. He > attended bible study sessions which promoted the belief in Christ as the > messiah and was "converted". Two chaplains,employed by the school and two > faculty advisers were aware of this 3 month turnaround of 19 years of > upbringing,education and celebration of holidays and culture. No one at > the school advised us of this turnaround-wouldn't it [...] 2581 43 20_Re: Tu BiShvat seder20_Irene Stern Friedman13_lexf@epix.net37_Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:43:53 -0500 (EST)624_- In article <32E39C6C.694C@sodalia.it>, Keith Jeremy Posner wrote:

> Our little community here in Northen Italy is organizing a Tu BiShvat > seder especially aimed at the children in the group (i.e. grape juice > rather than wine, getting the chilren to creeate 'fruit pictures' and > 'fruit sculptures' using the seven types of fruit traditionally eaten at > Tu BiShvat). We know what sort of fruits to eat and in what sort of > order (hard outside-edible inside eg nuts, edible outside-hard inside eg > olives, pomegranates, and all edible eg grapes, figs). We're not sure > however which [...] 2625 31 26_A Script for a Baby Naming13_Joy Mendleson20_ab522@chebucto.ns.ca37_Sat, 25 Jan 1997 18:14:28 -0500 (EST)369_- Hello --

One of my friends around here told me she wants to have a nice baby-naming ceremony for her new baby-to-be (b'ezrat Hashem). She is looking for a script. I gave her a few suggestions of people around here to ask, and books to look at, but maybe someone out there has exacting what she needs. Our shuel is orthodox...relatively speaking, that is! [...] 2657 35 11_Bat-Mitzvah13_Alan Braswell26_abraswell@worldnet.att.net37_Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:22:16 -0500 (EST)548_- I'm in the process of planning a simple but dignified Bat-Mitzvah.

I am looking for suggestions in regard to party planning, table decorations, theme ideas, etc....

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

TIA.

Regards,



Moshe







abraswell@worldnet.att.net Alan Braswell Houston, Texas

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 2693 34 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus5_Shari15_sfr2@hooked.net37_Mon, 27 Jan 1997 08:27:03 -0500 (EST)625_- At 08:53 AM 1/16/97 -0500, JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU (Jane Fox) wrote:

> Beyond that, here is an idea that someone may already be carrying out. >There is >a publication that tells prospective students what they'll find in the way of >Jewish life on various campuses. Could that publication also include >information about how active missionaries are on each campus and perhaps name >the groups? > Many years ago I saw a short pamphlett at the UC Berkeley Hillel. It was a joint production of Hillel, Newman Center (Catholic) and some Protestant campus group. It was directed to students who found themselves listening [...] 2728 34 44_Re: 5th Grade Klezmer band looking for music20_Cantor Neil Schwartz18_schwartz@enter.net37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 03:21:11 -0500 (EST)463_- In article <5b8jf8$16s_002@iriscom.ici.net>, david@pencilnet.com (David Ehrens) wrote:

> My daughter's 5th grade Hebrew school would like to organize a Klezmer band > and are looking for music that they would have a reasonable chance of > playing. The musicians include saxophone/clarinet, piano, and violin. >

You have a couple choices. Tara publications has lots of Klezmer music in their catalog: http://www.jewishmusic.com 1-800-TARA-400 [...] 2763 28 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 36019_Steffi Aronson Karp15_sak@ziplink.net37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:05:23 -0500 (EST)532_- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steffi Aronson Karp Subject: Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 360

Musical suggestion: Woodschlock--from Schlock Rock. Tape #9. Great Tu B'shevat music, great 60's/70's sing along lyrics to former Beach Boys, Beatles etc. Frummy Judaism. Tons of fun--and the kids won't know they're learning!

Can anyone suggest Jewish/Black literature for children *other than* Mrs. Katz & Tush? Please advise. Thanks. [...] 2792 45 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 36210_Marc Davis15_mdavis@infi.net37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:12:45 -0500 (EST)467_- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marc Davis Subject: Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 362

Jodi: In regard to your post. Yes, the jews for jesus target jews who don't have a strong religious background. They also use as a tool, a book called the jewish new testament. This is a bible that has all the characters renamed in hebrew and also throws a lot of yiddish into the text. [...] 2838 35 34_Re: Prosletyzing on college campus6_GINICH14_ginich@aol.com37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:16:00 -0500 (EST)570_- My daughter who is 19 is a student at Oglethorpe University in Atlanta. She is a trained "ambassador" at the school. Early one morning, she was approached by two adults in the cafeteria who asked to sit with her for breakfast. She wasn't sure if they were visitors to the campus, somebody's parents or what, so she was polite and invited them to join her. They asked her if she would like to come to dinner and stay afterwards for"Bible Study". They were extremely solitictous (?) and smiled the whole time and getting pretty pushy for a committment. They picked [...] 2874 24 12_Summer camps13_Vadim Shapiro22_vshapiro@engr.wisc.edu37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 07:12:20 -0500 (EST)399_- Looking for summer camp recommendations for 11 year old boy. Important criteria: smaller size, Israeli dancing, some Hebrew, 4-week sessions.

email: vshapiro@engr.wisc.edu

Thanks!

-VS

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 2899 74 21_College proselytizing0_30_Dana_Netherton@mail.amsinc.com37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 12:37:12 -0500 (EST)628_- It makes sense that such a booklet (see 'way below, Shari's post) would have been sponsored by Catholic and Protestant youth groups as well as Hillel. The proselytizing groups "hit on" Catholic kids too, because many of them regard the Roman Catholic church as illegitimate.

They also "hit on" kids from any Protestant denomination they consider "insufficiently" Christian. My first wife, a Lutheran, once told me with great indignation that some of these people had told her (when she was in college) that she wasn't "saved" -- simply because her style of Christianity wasn't their style. Since then I've noticed [...] 2974 30 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 36018_Bissell Tina Irene18_tbissell@umich.edu37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 14:28:08 -0500 (EST)473_- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Bissell Tina Irene Subject: Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 360

> > Can anyone suggest Jewish/Black literature for children *other than* Mrs. > Katz & Tush? Please advise. Thanks. > There is another book by the same author (Patricia Paolocca [sp ?]) titled Chicken Sundays, along similar lines but this time a Jewish child becomes close to an African-American Christian family. [...] 3005 24 15_Re: Bat Mitzvah19_Lynne A Fitzsimmons25_lynnef@mdhost.cse.tek.com37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 19:28:46 -0500 (EST)373_- (Poster looking for ideas on a simple, dignified Bat Mitzvah)

May I recommend the book "Putting God on the Guest List" by (Rabbi?) Jeffrey Salkin?

Lynne Fitzsimmons lynnef@mdhost.cse.tek.com "All shall find the light at last, silver on the tree" S. Cooper >>Disclaimer: the contents of this posting IN NO WAY reflect the opinions >> of Tektronix, Inc. [...] 3030 29 30_Re: A Script for a Baby Naming11_JX and Soph16_sophjxl@dnai.com37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:09:53 -0500 (EST)414_- Joy Mendleson wrote:

> One of my friends around here told me she wants to have a nice baby-naming > ceremony for her new baby-to-be (b'ezrat Hashem). She is looking for a > script. I gave her a few suggestions of people around here to ask, > and books to look at, but maybe someone out there has exacting what she > needs. Our shuel is orthodox...relatively speaking, that is! [...] 3060 49 16_Re: Summer camps21_Rachelle J. Bienstock29_rachelle@picard.niehs.nih.gov37_Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:09:54 -0500 (EST)601_- Vadim Shapiro wrote: > > Looking for summer camp recommendations for 11 year old boy. > Important criteria: smaller size, Israeli dancing, some Hebrew, > 4-week sessions. > > email: vshapiro@engr.wisc.edu > > Thanks! > > -VS >

I would highly recommend Camp Ramah. I went to the one in New York for four summers and I feel it instills a very strong sense of Jewish identity. The camp is strictly kosher (It is affliated with the Conservative Jewish Theological Seminary), has classes in Jewish Subjects everyday, and observance of the Shabbat. Lots of Israeli dancing, and each age group [...] 3110 31 16_Re: Summer camps8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU37_Wed, 29 Jan 1997 11:59:51 -0500 (EST)646_- In vshapiro@engr.wisc.edu writes:

> Looking for summer camp recommendations for 11 year old boy. > Important criteria: smaller size, Israeli dancing, some Hebrew, > 4-week sessions. > I'd recommend HaBonim Camp Tavor in 3 Rivers Michigan. At least when my kids went one advantage was you could start with the half session (3.5 weeks I think). Another big advantage was that as one parent put it there were no hair driers. The kids were unpretensious. They pooled their spending money and the treats sent them and developed a great sense of sharing. (Back home after the little kids rushed [...] 3142 29 11_summer camp19_Ilene S. Van Houter25_bk375@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU37_Thu, 30 Jan 1997 23:43:00 -0500 (EST)559_- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: "Ilene S. Van Houter" Subject: summer camp





The latest issue of Moment Magazine (just out, I received mine yesterday) has its annual comprehensive list of Jewish camps. We found our son's through this list 3 years ago.

Ilene





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