1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting July 1996 2 22 10_re:kippurs0_25_75762.2332@compuserve.com28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:25:28 GMT281_-

How is Velcro going to work on a bald infants head?



Reuvain

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 25 81 20_Re: About Acceptance11_Dan Golding23_goldida@mail.auburn.edu29_Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:53:01 GMT582_- In article , debbie@icus.com (Debbie Tropiano) wrote:

> Susan - > > Susan Hornung wrote: > >Hi. I am about to enter marriage with a Jewish man. I myself am > >Catholic. I plan to raise my children Jewish but not to convert myself.

> >How would you (as a community) view this family? Would I be accepted? > >Would I need to convert to have my children and I accepted? > > The Reform movement would consider your children to be Jewish. If you > are interested in Reform, look for a temple with a good Interfaith > [...] 107 29 22_Re: re kippah for bris10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:59:24 GMT330_- Rebecca Thompson (thompson@prysm.net) wrote: : lexf@epix.net (Irene Stern Friedman) wrote: : >Velcro. There are *kip-ons* sold for that purpose (for adults) or regular : >velcro cut into strips. This would work if the baby has some hair as mine : >did. : >Irene Stern Friedman

: Ummm wouldn't that hurt to take off? [...] 137 43 20_Re: About Acceptance15_Gershom Barnard26_barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 19:47:17 GMT465_- Dan Golding's response to Susan Hornung (concerning the acceptance by Jews of the child of a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father) was, IMO, too sanguine about the prospects of acceptance. Specifically:

1. Such a child, even if they convert to Judaism in a process which includes circumcision and immersion in a mikveh, will alomst certainly not be accepted as Jewish in Orthodox circles if a Reform or Conservative rabbi has supervised the process. [...] 181 36 6_Sukkot11_Kris Hasson19_hasson@teleport.com29_Sat, 29 Jun 1996 03:08:33 GMT605_- Okay, I'm starting a new thread. Sukkot seems like a good holiday to start celebrating but I'm extremely vague on the particulars. First a little background:

I am a Jew-by-choice since age 19. My soon-to-be-ex-husband's family was not particularly observant--they did the High Holidays, Hanukah and Pesach and that's about it. So it's the family rituals, the things you do together every holiday to make it special, that I'm missing. My sons (ages 9 and 6) and I make Shabbat (on the weekends we're together) and we went to the shul's Purim party. The volunteer coordinator found me a place [...] 218 55 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 24316_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com29_Sun, 30 Jun 1996 06:00:12 GMT522_-

What a great digest the last one was . It encompassed many area that were good to touch on.

Marjorie asks how to deal with the problem of sick kids (of other parents) in Shul. Why not talk with the Rabbi of the congregation. Alsol why not call the mother of the children (whether or not she is a Rabbi does not take away the fact that she is a mother also. ) She may very well be new to the community and looking to meet some people. Invite her for coffee, or a Shabbat dinner... at least explain to [...] 274 51 20_Re: About Acceptance10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:56:57 GMT583_-

>Susan Hornung (shornung@sophia.smith.edu) wrote: >: Hi. I am about to enter marriage with a Jewish man. I myself am >: Catholic. I plan to raise my children Jewish but not to convert myself.

>: How would you (as a community) view this family? Would I be accepted? >: Would I need to convert to have my children and I accepted? > I would like to express a different opinion than many of the others who have replied to this question. If you are going to raise the children Jewish have them officially converted. True the Reform movement accepts individuals with [...] 326 32 21_Re: Bible story books10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 16:55:06 GMT466_- Robin Netherton (robin@dgsys.com) wrote: : Can anyone recommend good books with Bible stories that are suitable for : reading to a toddler (going on age 3)? E.g. Adam and Eve, Noah's Ark, : Abraham and the idols, David and Goliath, Joseph and the coat of many : colors, Samson and Delilah, Daniel in the lion's den, Jonah and the whale, : etc. I'd love for my kid to know these characters as well as he already : knows Thomas the Tank Engine and his buddies. [...] 359 131 20_Re: About Acceptance15_Debbie Tropiano15_debbie@icus.com28_Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:45:46 GMT709_-

Dan -

I don't want to get into a dickering match, but I think you make some invalid assumptions about my situation. Also, clearly my perception of the situations (hers and mine) differ *greatly* from yours.

In article , Dan Golding wrote: >This is a pretty sweeping statement - I would be a little more careful >about giving this sort of advise. The Reform movement will, essentially, >consider the child Jewish through a pro-forma sort of conversion process, >involving Hebrew School, Bar/Bat Mitzvah, etc. However, the child is not >assumed to be Jewish without certain thing happening. I would [...] 491 56 10_Re: Sukkot13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu28_Tue, 2 Jul 1996 22:01:06 GMT536_us-ascii Tall order Kris! I'll start with a few ideas, but you really need to read up on the subject. Ask your rabbi to suggest a few books.

We build a prefab sukka up in our back yard. We put up decorations that our son makes in preschool. (Before he was born we would ask our guests to get their kids to make us decorations.) We put up some store-bought things as well. (Fake fruit, gaudy foil things, lights, etc.) Remember that you need to put up things that will not be ruined in whatever sort of weather you have that [...] 548 77 35_Re: Jewish child, non-Jewish father11_Dan Golding23_goldida@mail.auburn.edu29_Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:08:26 GMT605_- In article <4qlren$8nr@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, chanarivka@aol.com (ChanaRivka) wrote:

> In article <4q8qg3$69m@pti.prysm.net>, thompson@prysm.net (Rebecca > Thompson) writes: > > >My son is being raised Jewish, and I'm trying to convince my husband > >to keep kosher. I believe that if I'm going to raise my son in a > >religion, he should follow the laws of that religion. Has anyone done > >this successfully? Is there anyone who had one person in the house > >not keep kosher while the others do? What effect does that have on > >the children? > > > >Also, does anyone know a good way to [...] 626 46 23_Small Community Judaism10_Marc Davis15_mdavis@infi.net29_Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:18:56 GMT342_US-ASCII

In regard to teaching children judiasm in a small community. My husband and I were raised "cultural jews" because of the large jewish community in NYC. When we moved to virginia beach, and had children it because very hard to teach them other than the cultural aspects of judiasm my husband and I were comfortable with. [...] 673 72 20_Re: About Acceptance16_Vanessa Buchthal22_buchthal@ix.netcom.com28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 07:49:53 GMT476_us-ascii TAlpert@aol.com wrote: > > FYI: The UAHC (the organization of Reform synagogues) runs Introduction to > Judaism courses. While completion of such a course is typically a > prerequisite to a Reform conversion, many couples in which the non-Jew has no > intention of converting also take the course. They find that it provides > both partners with a great deal of information about Judaism. If you are > interested, a local Reform synagogue can get you connected. [...] 746 61 22_Re: non jewish partner16_Rebecca Thompson18_thompson@prysm.net29_Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:10:06 GMT552_- rct@student.umass.edu wrote: > my first time posting, tho i've been lurking a while. i was >interested in the post about keeping kosher from the person with a non-jewish >partner. I didn't grow up in a kosher home, but my grandmother was orthodox >and kept kosher and shabbat. It did give me a very warm and vital sense of >being Jewish that I would like to pass on to my son. > We don't keep kosher, but I'm very picky about using dish sponges vs. >table sponges; my partner occasionally eats meat (I am vegetarian) and I've >asked her to keep [...] 808 60 25_Re: SCJP APPROVAL: Sukkot18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com28_Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:53:42 GMT275_US-ASCII This is what Kris Hasson: > > How do you celebrate Sukkot? Do you build a succos booth? Got an idea how I > can build one with my sons this summer? Then once it's there, what do you do > with it, or in it, or whatever? I am totally in the dark here, as you can [...] 869 27 17_Israeli bookstore14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:02:06 GMT371_us-ascii > Nina gave wonderful advise on Israel for kids. As I remember there > was a great book store in Jerusalem called Steinmetskies. Drop them > a line and see what they recommend

Just for the record, the name of the store is Steimatzky. It's a chain with many many branches located in practically every city throughout Israel (and even in the airport). [...] 897 24 36_Mohel/Dr. in Skokie or Evanston, IL?5_GREER13_greer@aol.com28_Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:17:50 GMT326_- Can anyone refer me to a mohel who is also a medical doctor (usually a surgeon, I assume) in the Evanston/Skokie, Illinois area? I am due in early August and will be relocating there from Washington, DC just before our baby is due!

Thanks, in advance. Please reply to:

GREER@aol.com Melissa Greer Solomon [...] 922 1526 67_soc.culture.jewish.parenting FAQ: Newsgroup Policies and Procedures13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net26_30 Jun 1996 11:07:12 -0700784_- Archive-name: judaism/FAQ/scjp-admin Soc-culture-jewish-archive-name: faq.scjp-admin Posting-Frequency: Monthly

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This posting is a summary of the purpose and policies of the moderated newsgroup soc.culture.jewish.parenting (and the equivalent gatewayed mailing list). It does not answer questions about Judaism itself; the soc.culture.jewish FAQs and Reading Lists should be consulted for that purpose. It also does not answer general childrearing questions; the various misc.kids FAQs (posted regularly to misc.kids.info) should be consulted for that purpose. [...] 2449 56 13_CTTS: 3.11 yr15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:35:26 GMT615_- My wonderful daughter Gemma has a vivid imagination. VIVID! And she also talks more than any human being alive. The combination often provides me with some super entertainment, but occasionally she tells 'tall tales' that I'm not particularly thrilled to hear. She has a tendency to talk about other kids in her class, and sometimes refers to their parents as well. We've spoken about gossiping (something I could work on more myself) and Lashon Hora, etc., but recently I came across a children's book that helped bring home the message. This book is called Yettele's Feathers, by Joan Rothenberg (Hyperion [...] 2506 40 22_Ushpizin in the Sukkah0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:03:10 GMT584_- About the custom of "ushpizin" -- Arameic for guests/hospitality -- in the sukkah. It is a mystical custom to invite the Patriarchs, Moses, Joseph, Aaron and David to your sukkah as honored guests.

We have reconstructed this minhag in our family by allowing everyone to compile their own special list of ushpizin. I usually print out everyone's list of usphzin on the computer, using big 48 pt. type. I print out the page horizontally, then I slide each person's list into a clear page protector with 3-hole punch. This makes it easy to hang the list inside the sukkah. [...] 2547 61 40_Re: Mohel/Dr. in Skokie or Evanston, IL?13_Sharon Matten16_kipah@tezcat.com28_Thu, 4 Jul 1996 01:31:31 GMT634_- In article <4rc3lu$8cn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, greer@aol.com says... > > Can anyone refer me to a mohel who is also a medical doctor (usually >a surgeon, I assume) in the Evanston/Skokie, Illinois area? I am due in >early August and will be relocating there from Washington, DC just before >our baby is due! > > Thanks, in advance. Please reply to: > > GREER@aol.com > Melissa Greer Solomon > >* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. >* Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent >* authorities in those fields. >-- >This forum discusses issues specific to [...] 2609 34 17_Kosher baby meals0_31_dmcalexander@msuvx2.memphis.edu28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:31:18 GMT541_- Hello all, I am also going to ask this of the jewish-food list, so apologies in advance if many of you read this twice.

I rarely venture into scj any more, don't have time for the vitriol, but today happened across a (to me) pertinant discussion of giving an infant the meat part of her meal at the same time as her bottle. Several posters said that while of course one would be careful to use separate utensils, and the meat should be kosher, that there is not an exact prohibition against serving both at the same meal to an [...] 2644 20 26_Velcro Kippurs at the Bris0_25_75762.2332@compuserve.com28_Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:32:20 GMT280_-

Pulling off the Velcro Kippur can't be worse then the bris itself



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 2665 29 17_BirthAnnouncement0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org28_Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:16:26 GMT378_- Neil and Linda Zell Randall proudly announce the arrival of their son, Todd Frederick Randall, on Saturday, June 22, 1996, at 5:19 p.m., 4 lbs., 17" long. His Hebrew name is Noach Moshe ben Moshe Eliahu v' Leah Nitzah.

He is named for his maternal great-grandmother, Freida Esther (Fratl Ester) Hochberg and his paternal great-grandfather, Maurice (Moshe) Brandt. [...] 2695 25 21_CTTD (toddler kippot)14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:20:40 GMT441_- Ryan (almost 3) found a pair of my countoured breast pads lying around the house. (He knows what they are for.) He asked if I wanted to wear them but I said I didn't need them at the time. He then put one on his head and asked "Can I use one as a kippah?" (The absorbent felt lining helped it stay in place pretty well -- if they start making them in patterns other than white lace maybe they'd have a secondary market for them.) ;-) [...] 2721 48 10_Re: Sukkot16_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:36:57 GMT380_-

First to comment on Sukkot- My favorite holiday...

1. Either moderately priced kits can be bought, or a pre-fab sukkah can be bought. (I had mine for over 30 years.)

2. By decorating it with H.H. Cards, paper ringlets, fake fruits and other art work we are taking off the pressure of so many wanting to decorate a Christmas tree when that time comes. [...] 2770 28 10_Re: Sukkot14_Joshua Hoffman22_jhoffman@questtech.com28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:46:16 GMT394_us-ascii Kris,

The kids can have a lot of fun decorating the sukkah. I have one small suggestion to help weatherize the decorations. Friends of ours put the holiday cards they get for Rosh Hashanah into plastic ziploc-type bags to prevent any rain from ruining them. They then attach them to the roof (just thin boards) of the sukkah by string, or to the side with tape or staples. [...] 2799 42 21_Re: Kosher baby meals15_Gershom Barnard26_barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu28_Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:34:57 GMT576_- Deanna asked for further discussion of the point that, in feeding babies or small children, one does not have to make them wait 3 or 6 hours after meat before having milk. My understanding of the situation is this: minors are basically not obligated to carry out the mitzvot of the Torah (hence the significance of bat/bar mitzvah). Their parents are obligated to raise them in such a way that they will perform the mitzvot when they grow up. With regard to some things, one does this by having them "observe" the commandments from the beginning, e.g., by feeding them [...] 2842 50 32_The Three Elements of Conversion14_Andrea Herrera15_andreah@utj.org28_Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:45:54 GMT480_-

> Having these elements (bris, mikvah, bet din (i.e. court of three rabbis > supervising) will make the child Jewish in the eyes of almost everyone, > even if done by a R rabbi (the least strict). The patrilineal descent > ruling is too new and too controversial - it may never be recognized by > most Jews. I advise you to play it safe, and talk this over with a rabbi > or rabbis. It surely can't hurt. Good luck on this - please email if I can > be of any help. [...] 2893 58 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 24916_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com28_Thu, 4 Jul 1996 06:30:00 GMT374_-

Of late there has been a great deal on this net as to ho to deal with the problem of a non Jewish mother, Jewish father, raising their children as Jewish.

My congregation in Las Vegas is totally accepting of patrilinial decent s long as the parents by action show that they want their children to be Jewish. (I have a Reonnstructionist congregation).. [...] 2952 27 21_Re: Kosher baby meals11_Ian Winkler20_iwinkler@hoflink.com28_Fri, 5 Jul 1996 19:47:05 GMT492_us-ascii Deanna,

Both my girls were lactose intolerent, so I was lucky (?) because Prosobee is OU-Pareve. I also believe breast milk is considered pareve. I hope someone has a better answer for you. When I ask questions like this, I am usually told to ask my rabbi.

Ian Long Island, NY

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 2980 62 18_Converting a Child14_Andrea Herrera15_andreah@utj.org28_Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:45:55 GMT562_-

I have been reading this issue with interest and decided to throw in my $.02 as well :-)

When my 8 yr old son was ready for pre-school, I started checking out the local Jewish sites. The first one I called was the Chabbad house as they had an excellent program. I spent a long time speaking with the Rebbetzin there. Somehow we got into a conversation about conversion. (I don't remember why though.) I told her my husband was a convert, and her next question was "who converted him?" His conversion was under a Reform rabbi. She then said [...] 3043 20 26_Velcro Kippurs at the Bris0_25_75762.2332@compuserve.com28_Thu, 4 Jul 1996 17:32:34 GMT280_-

Pulling off the Velcro Kippur can't be worse then the bris itself



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 3064 50 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 24914_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Sat, 6 Jul 1996 14:38:31 GMT462_- In article <199607040543.WAA07331@bighorn.accessnv.com>, Richard Schachet wrote: >My problem is this: Let us assume we raise our children as Jewish, >and about the age of 8 or 9 or even just before Bar Mitzvah for the >sake of satisfying those who only recognize that only a Jewish mother >can give the lineage, the child has to "convert." This means Mikvah >for a girl and ritual circumcision for a boy as well as mikvah for >him. [...] 3115 44 16_kosher baby food25_Chana Lajcher JCT Library25_lajcher@brachot.jct.ac.il28_Sun, 7 Jul 1996 07:45:58 GMT475_US-ASCII I don't know who originally asked this. I can tell you my own experience with baby food in the USA. I was travelling cross-country with a 5 month old and we found kosher baby food everywhere we went (New Jersey, Texas, California). To reassure yourself, go to your large neighborhood supermarket and look at the labels on the jars of pureed foods and cereals. Not every flavor of every brand is kosher but I saw more o-u baby foods than we have here in Israel! [...] 3160 36 47_Administrative Notice: SHAMASH Scheduled Outage28_SCJ-PARENTING Advisory Board22_scjp-board@shamash.org26_Sun, 7 Jul 96 22:06:29 PDT539_- To all soc.culture.jewish.parenting/scj-parenting readers:

The machine that hosts our group will be transitioning service providers during the week of July 8th. The machine will be unavailable during this week, and some services may be unavailable after that for a short time. This will have the following affect on our group:

a) Submissions to the newsgroup, which are delivered by mail to shamash, will be held in mail queues until shamash reappears. Mail may be lost due to powers beyond the control of moderators. [...] 3197 227 20_Re: About Acceptance11_Dan Golding23_goldida@mail.auburn.edu28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:55:13 GMT571_- << Moderators note: Please remember that this newsgroup is a place where many people of widely varying Jewish beliefs can meet. I think it's great to discuss these issues, but I don't think any of us should assume the role of authority (which may hurt others unintentionally) or assume that others are attacking our positions. If a moderator accepts a post, then at least one uninvolved person has read the post and not perceived any intended harm or insult. I'd like to see this discussion continue without descending to the hostile debate style of misc.kids. >> [...] 3425 65 20_three elements, etc.16_Michael Herzbrun17_herzbrun@sjfc.edu28_Sat, 6 Jul 1996 15:11:35 GMT497_US-ASCII

Chevre,

As a Reform rabbi, my personal experience supports Andrea's statement 100% :



> A child will NOT be considered Jewish in the Orthodox movement if the > Bet Din consists of a Reform Rabbi...



--and therefore regarding Richard's posting,

> > Aren't we telling the children [who were raised Jewish according to principles of Patrilinial descent] that they have been living a lie all these years and they were not really Jewish? [...] 3491 40 21_Re: Kosher baby meals18_David L. Bernstein17_david@cmpedge.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 06:34:23 GMT463_- Deanna -

I was the original poster of this message over on scj and I am flattered to see that you found that this subject was interesting.

I have received a great deal of e-mail in response to my original post and the concensus seems to be that small children certainly are not obligated to follow Kashrut to the letter. However, it is up to the parents to teach the children about Kashrut and to gradually work them into the waiting period. [...] 3532 37 21_Re: Kosher baby meals17_Sarah Y. Schwartz19_sgs@skynet2.att.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 18:19:38 GMT606_US-ASCII



In article <31DD7139.903@hoflink.com>, Ian Winkler wrote: > >Both my girls were lactose intolerent, so I was lucky (?) because Prosobee is >OU-Pareve. I also believe breast milk is considered pareve. I hope someone

Breast milk is pareve. When I was expressing milk for my first I asked my Rabbi about using it to make up cereal and was told that it is kosher and pareve - no problem using it in our regular bowls. (Actually, it was interesting that he specified it was kosher. He pointed out that out that it is the milk of a non-kosher animal - [...] 3570 29 11_Tikkun Olam11_Laura Savin22_lsavin@seq.hamline.edu29_Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:28:18 GMT584_US-ASCII I'm interested in finding out how other families have been able to add regular tikkun olam activities to their lives. We have two sons, ages 11 and 5. We keep a tzedakah box and occasionally send money to organizations or causes that we decide upon together, e.g. Red Cross disaster relief, food shelf, but I would like to take it beyond sending money to really getting involved. Our children do things with their Jewish day camp and religious school/Hebrew school but I'd like this to become a regular part of our family life. With two full-time working parents it may [...] 3600 46 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 25416_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com28_Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:46:18 GMT584_-

Laura asks how to include Tikun Olam in the life of her children. What a wonderful question...one which should be asked by all of us.

We do it by Mitzvot done by the children. Our school bakes hamantashen for those in nursing homes... they write and support children with AIDS... They help clean up the earth---we discuss problems of the homeless, and since our congregation hosts homeless families, we invite the children of host families to be a part... We wear red ribbons at high Holidays-- and we use as an anthem the song Tikun Olam from Wally Briskin and [...] 3647 26 13_homeschooling15_Clifford Godwin24_CGODWIN@worldnet.att.net29_Thu, 11 Jul 1996 03:20:42 GMT326_us-ascii We will be homeschooling three children, ages 6, 8 and 8 (twins) this year. We have found several observant families in the Seattle area who are also planning to homeschool. We are looking for other Northwest and Jewish families to form a chavurah, and for all and any others who have homeschooling Jewish kids! [...] 3674 62 25_Holocaust intro: How old?15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:08:38 GMT541_US-ASCII We got a book out of the Library called "The Tie Man's Miracle: A Chanukah Tale" (Steven Schnur, Ill. Steven T. Johnson, Morrow Jr Books, NY 1995) that tells a very moving story about an old man who sells ties door-to-door. This man stops and a child's house the last night of Chanukah, and is entranced by the baby sister, Hannah. When he is invited to stay, he protests, but is persuaded to stay for lighting the candles. When he does, he looks very sad, and the young Seth asks why he isn't at home with his family. The tie [...] 3737 21 13_Shabbat songs4_Skc312_skc3@aol.com28_Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:06:15 GMT297_- I grew up in a non-observant home, so I'm new at a lot of this. I have just started having Shabbat dinners in my home on Friday nights (we have always lit candles) and I would like to find some simple songs. I have a 3 yo and 15 mo old and would like them to really enjoy this celebration. [...] 3759 42 17_Re: Shabbat Songs10_Marc Davis15_mdavis@infi.net29_Sat, 13 Jul 1996 12:05:07 GMT550_US-ASCII

> > We will be homeschooling three children, ages 6, 8 and 8 (twins) this > year. We have found several observant families in the Seattle area who > are also planning to homeschool. We are looking for other Northwest and > Jewish families to form a chavurah, and for all and any others who have > homeschooling Jewish kids! > Glad you asked that!!!! Paul Zim, has a tape out called shabbat Top 40. It has a bunch of songs plus Yidgal, Aleinu and Brachas. Very good, my kids and I love it. It comes with the words transliterated [...] 3802 24 13_Shabbat music18_shira rachel maled15_gjmmmc@qnis.net29_Sat, 13 Jul 1996 05:34:27 GMT450_us-ascii Like Sheryl, I am also on the lookout for Shabbat music, especially for children. Two tapes that we use at home and in our k'tanim program are: Tot Shabbat Music by Cantor Aviva Rosenbloom and A Shabbat Sing-Along For Kids put out by Brentwood Kids Co. The first is probably more along the age line that Sheryl might be looking for. Both tapes have a number of traditional songs . 'Hope this helps a bit. Shira Rachel Maled, Fresno, CA [...] 3827 56 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 24915_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:35:37 GMT525_US-ASCII > Richard Schachet wrote: > >My problem is this: Let us assume we raise our children as Jewish, > >and about the age of 8 or 9 or even just before Bar Mitzvah for the > >sake of satisfying those who only recognize that only a Jewish mother > >can give the lineage, the child has to "convert." This means Mikvah > >for a girl and ritual circumcision for a boy as well as mikvah for > >him. > > > > >B. Aren't we telling these childsren that they have been living a > >lie all these [...] 3884 65 29_Re: Holocaust intro: How old?5_Shari15_sfr2@hooked.net29_Sat, 13 Jul 1996 18:31:45 GMT574_us-ascii

At 02:08 PM 7/12/96 GMT, you wrote: > >Are any of you weepy types out there, and how do you deal with this? I'm >pretty bad, and I have no shame in admitting it, but I'd like to be able >to put some distance between my personal feelings and my role as a >parent. > >Sobbing in Boston, > >Marjorie Peskin >mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu > It was approximately 1990 before my mother could respond to any question about the holocaust with an answer. (Before that she [...] 3950 31 24_NEw Jewish Baby QUestion22_Janelle Bianca F. Keri14_keri.2@osu.edu28_Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:59:00 GMT306_us-ascii Hello....just found out a friend of mine is having a baby. Yes, it will be Jewish. I am a college student..which means my pockets are empty.

My gift to the baby has been to call up companies and put them on mailing lists for parent clubs and all of that. I have called several so far. [...] 3982 44 14_Re: Conversion8_apfeffer25_apfeffer@angel.heaven.net29_Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:15:59 GMT587_- A point which has perhaps not been emphasized in this discussion is that the type of conversion is not entirely up to the parents -- the Rabbi involved must consent. Generally speaking Orthodox Rabbis will not consent to convert a child who is going to be raised non-Orthodox. Their reason is that being a Jew adds many obligations to a person's life which are unlikely to be performed in a non-Orthdox environment. Hence performing the conversion will increase sin. So while it is true that all Jewish denominations accept Orthdoox conversions, that option may not be available. [...] 4027 52 10_Re: Sukkot18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:38:24 GMT541_US-ASCII

This is what Richard Schachet says : > > 1. Either moderately priced kits can be bought, or a pre-fab sukkah > can be bought. (I had mine for over 30 years.)

As I pointed out, building a sukkah is generally easy and not expensive once you make the committment to do it. I personally prefer make-your-own as it is more personal, and costs a lot less. An 8x8 kit can go for $300-$400 dollars, the one on my web page is about $80 in parts (The one my Men's Club is designing will probably be between $100 and $150) [...] 4080 55 29_Re: Holocaust intro: How old?19_Shoshana L. Boublil30_toramada@mail.netvision.net.il29_Sat, 13 Jul 1996 23:56:03 GMT359_- Marjorie Peskin wrote:

>Are any of you weepy types out there, and how do you deal with this? I'm >pretty bad, and I have no shame in admitting it, but I'd like to be able >to put some distance between my personal feelings and my role as a >parent.

>Sobbing in Boston, >Marjorie Peskin >mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu [...] 4136 40 30_Dinasaurs and Yeshiva Students15_Stephen Epstein24_starbuck@astral.magic.ca29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 21:47:56 GMT573_us-ascii Hi, I just came across this group and was wondering if there were any parents in a similar situation to me. My nine year old son attends a Yeshiva where dinosaurs are ignored. When they come across anything dealing with the subject in any of their texts it is either skipped or blacked out. My son, as most nine year olds, love dinosaurs and can't understand why the school can't teach about dinosaurs from a Jewish perspective instead of ignoring the subject. Has anyone had any success in dealing with schools on the topic? Please E-mail me because I don't [...] 4177 55 17_Building a Sukkah14_Andrea Herrera15_andreah@utj.org28_Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:45:55 GMT401_-

> This is what Kris Hasson: > How do you celebrate Sukkot? Do you build a succos booth? Got an idea how > I can build one with my sons this summer? Then once it's there, what do you > do with it, or in it, or whatever? I am totally in the dark here, as you can > probably guess. Please write in with how you make it special at your house > (or with family or friends, for that matter). [...] 4233 30 10_Re: Sukkot13_Sharon Matten16_kipah@tezcat.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 03:40:28 GMT487_- Heres another suggestion (ok so its not earth shattering):

You can either a) laminate your pictures (craft stores often have laminating machines) b) cover them in clear contact paper

Both work great and we still have the pictures I did in my parents succah from over 20 years ago and we still thank G-d hang them up in my parents succah every year (its a real hoot). My childrens school will send home the succah projects ALREADY LAMINATED which is very convenient. [...] 4264 36 35_Re: Jewish child, non-Jewish father14_Joshua Hoffman22_jhoffman@questtech.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:44:20 GMT553_us-ascii Dan Golding wrote: > Try picking up a copy of The Jewish Home Advisor (it's a blue hardcover in > the Judaica section of the bookstore). It has all these answers and is > highly recommended, as is Jewish Literacy by Telushkin and To Life by > Kutzner. >

"The Jewish Home Advisor" is by Alfred Kolatch. My wife and I found this book very useful for preparing and celebrating Shabbat and other holidays. And we were both born and raised as Jews and had a Jewish education (she more than me). The author also wrote "The Jewish Book of [...] 4301 27 22_QUERY: Yiddish Lullaby14_Michael Canick16_canick@panix.com28_Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:34:43 GMT496_- Hi: I'm new to this group & was wondering if someone could help me w/ some info on a Yiddish lullaby. My mother (& grandmother) sung it to me as a child & I sing it to my baby. While I feel that I remember it quite well, I'd like to get the EXACT wording & melody correct. Ideally, someone could call me & sing it over the phone. Otherwise, perhaps someone could post a TRANSLITERATED version here. The title (I believe) is: Ani Nunni Nu Thanks in advance, Michael Canick canick@panix.com [...] 4329 28 21_Re: Kosher baby meals18_David L. Bernstein17_david@cmpedge.com28_Tue, 9 Jul 1996 06:16:58 GMT375_- In article , david@cmpedge.com (David L. Bernstein) wrote:

> Our rabbit confirmed that breast milk is Pareve, but our daughter won't be > breast feeding forever!



Did I *really* type "rabbit." Geez, don't tell the guy who stands on the bima at my temple that I made such a Freudian typo. Sorry. [...] 4358 78 15_Re: Tikkun Olam0_17_muldrow@enter.net28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:20:30 GMT565_- > Laura Savin writes: > I'm interested in finding out how other families have been able to add > regular tikkun olam activities to their lives. We have two sons, ages 11 > and 5. We keep a tzedakah box and occasionally send money to > organizations or causes that we decide upon together, e.g. Red Cross > disaster relief, food shelf, but I would like to take it beyond sending > money to really getting involved. Our children do things with their > Jewish day camp and religious school/Hebrew school but I'd like this to > become a [...] 4437 63 29_Re: Holocaust intro: How old?19_Shoshana L. Boublil30_toramada@mail.netvision.net.il29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 00:04:47 GMT359_- Marjorie Peskin wrote:

>Are any of you weepy types out there, and how do you deal with this? I'm >pretty bad, and I have no shame in admitting it, but I'd like to be able >to put some distance between my personal feelings and my role as a >parent.

>Sobbing in Boston, >Marjorie Peskin >mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu [...] 4501 40 17_Re: Shabbat music10_David Karr19_karr@cs.cornell.edu29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 16:07:16 GMT309_- gjmmmc@qnis.net (shira rachel maled) writes: >Like Sheryl, I am also on the lookout for Shabbat music, especially for >children. Two tapes that we use at home and in our k'tanim program are: >Tot Shabbat Music by Cantor Aviva Rosenbloom and A Shabbat Sing-Along For >Kids put out by Brentwood Kids Co. [...] 4542 76 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 25716_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:44:34 GMT359_-

Fred Rosenblatt responds to my statement that to have a child, raised as a Jew by parents of a mixed marriage go through conversion when he or she is older is telling that child that he or she was not really Jewish all these years and was living a lie by saying the child is making a choice and in Judaism, "practical responses" are important. [...] 4619 47 17_Re: Shabbat Songs13_Sharon Matten16_kipah@tezcat.com29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:16:13 GMT585_- In article <199607131205.IAA18213@larry.infi.net>, mdavis@infi.net says... > >> >> We will be homeschooling three children, ages 6, 8 and 8 (twins) this >> year. We have found several observant families in the Seattle area who >> are also planning to homeschool. We are looking for other Northwest and >> Jewish families to form a chavurah, and for all and any others who have >> homeschooling Jewish kids! >> >Glad you asked that!!!! Paul Zim, has a tape out called shabbat Top 40. It > ... > >Inside the jacket it gives the address to write to for additional copies as: >Paul [...] 4667 45 20_Re: About Acceptance14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:57:33 GMT441_us-ascii Debbie Tropiano wrote:

> BTW My response to Susan was meant to encourage her to consider following > a path similar to our own. It appears to me that you would rather dissuade > her from following the Reform movement's tenets since they are at odds with > your beliefs. Given the prevalence of this viewpoint, it does not then > surprise me that so few children of interfaith marriages are raised in the > Jewish faith. [...] 4713 61 10_Re: Sukkot15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:47:18 GMT436_- Steven R Weintraub (stevenw@pswtech.com) wrote:



: As I pointed out, building a sukkah is generally easy and not expensive : once you make the committment to do it. I personally prefer make-your-own : as it is more personal, and costs a lot less. An 8x8 kit can go : for $300-$400 dollars, the one on my web page is about $80 in parts : (The one my Men's Club is designing will probably be between $100 and : $150) [...] 4775 33 17_Re: Shabbat songs0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 01:38:27 GMT534_US-ASCII

Dear Sheryl and Chevreh,

There are several songbooks available for Shabbat and holidays:

1. From UJA-Federation a songster and "bencher" with grace after meals in English translation, Hebrew and transliteration.

2. From United Synagogue Book Service, 212-533-7800, a similar songster also in English translation, Hebrew and transliteration, with both a long and short grace after meals, kiddush, etc. Just about everything you need for beginning to end of Shabbat and holidays and mcuh more [...] 4809 28 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books0_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:16:28 GMT561_-

I << Dear Sheryl and Chevreh,

There are several songbooks available for Shabbat and holidays: >>

The absolute best songster for Shabbat meals with grace after meals, Z'mirot (Shabbat Songs) and other songs of interest in Hebrew, English, and transliteration is published by NCSY (45 West 36th Street, NY< NY 10018) There's also an excellent tape (I believe distributed by Aderet) featuring Avrumie Flam that has all the Shabbat songs on it. Sing the classics and the kids really pick up the tunes -even the toddlers! Gidon Goldberg [...] 4838 27 17_Re: Shabbat Songs13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 21:34:32 GMT438_us-ascii I want to second Marc Davis' recommendation of the Paul Zim Shabbat tape, and to note that he did a nice Pesach tape too.

I got mine at Bed Bath and Beyond of all places! (way Beyond, evidently......)

Louise Miller



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 4866 26 10_Re: Sukkot15_Robert R Lipman19_lipman@cam.nist.gov29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:45:14 GMT211_- Here is another web page about a Sukkah building kit. I've used the kit for many years without any problems. I've even added an extension on to it.

http://www.uscj.org/seabd/bethesbe/sukkah.html

4893 45 13_Shabbat songs19_Ilene S. Van Houter25_bk375@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:09:30 GMT448_US-ASCII Paul Zim has some Shabbat tapes that have children singing on them. My children enjoyed these when they were small. We would play them in the car throughout the week, and they would sing them on Shabbat.

A simple song that they sang when they were preschoolers went like this:

Our Shabbes table's like a princess Like a princess dressed in white It fills our home with peace and gladness Peace and gladness Friday night [...] 4939 33 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:46:26 GMT494_US-ASCII

Dear Sheryl, Gidon and Chevreh,

In all fairness, we all should be aware that the United Synagogue songster is Conservative and uses the contemporary Israeli Hebrew pronounciation, that NCSY is an Orthodox songster and uses, I believe, the Ashkenazi Hebrew, and that the UJA-Federation is non-denomenational and uses the Israeli Hebrew. Personally, I use only the Israeli pronunciation and accenting in all my educational work as well as in our home. Caveat emptor! [...] 4973 29 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 24716_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com28_Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:13:36 GMT491_-

Rebecca Thompson writes about keeping kosher and looks for suggestions of books. Of course there are many. Dennis Prager's 9 Questions People Ask About Judaism is excellent (previousely mentioned) and a new book I have just found written by a Conservative Rabbi Bradley Artson called "It's a Mitzvah - Step by Step to Jewish Living seems a good choice. the statement that her hysband is not Jewish but should observe Kashrut at home, should the home be kosher, is a good one. [...] 5003 51 10_Re: Sukkot18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com28_Mon, 8 Jul 1996 17:43:21 GMT536_US-ASCII

This is what Louise Miller says : > > The top of the sukkah needs to be greenery. We use palm branches > here. In New England they use pine branches, and someone from the > Midwest told me she uses corn stalks!

My wife came up with a good method last year. Through her gardening connections we found a tree man who was willing to drop it off, free. Since most cities require the arborist to haul away the cuttings and dump them at their expense, it actually saved him money (not having to pay to take it to [...] 5055 42 31_books and tapes for children :)18_Nancy Jeann Dephia19_batdance@netcom.com29_Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:00:31 GMT388_US-ASCII



I've hunted all around the Metro-Detroit area looking for childrens books (in Hebrew) that have a cassette tape included. My friend's son has numerous books in English with the stories on tape, and he just loves them.

Is there such a beasty? I am now even looking for a catalog that would sell them. I do not drive, so a catalog would be even better. [...] 5098 66 15_Re: Tikkun Olam15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Sat, 13 Jul 1996 03:08:00 GMT570_- Laura Savin (lsavin@seq.hamline.edu) wrote: : I'm interested in finding out how other families have been able to add : regular tikkun olam activities to their lives. We have two sons, ages 11 : and 5. We keep a tzedakah box and occasionally send money to : organizations or causes that we decide upon together, e.g. Red Cross : disaster relief, food shelf, but I would like to take it beyond sending : money to really getting involved. Our children do things with their : Jewish day camp and religious school/Hebrew school but I'd like this to : become a regular [...] 5165 21 29_Re: Holocaust intro: How old?9_ASHERHORO17_asherhoro@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:16:35 GMT297_- Of course, the most disturbing part of this task is trying to explain to my 5 year old is that he will encounter people that will hate him for no other reason than the religion he is born into. I am in a mixed marriage wiht a catholic and we are confronted with many complicated questions. [...] 5187 27 32_Need ideas: Baby Naming Ceremony12_Brian Cooper17_bc@lightstone.com29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:33:57 GMT196_- Hi. Anyone with experience with meaningful "BritBat" or similar such naming ceremonies for girls?

Any ideas or suggestions on where to look would be most appreciated.

Thanks, Brian 5215 40 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books10_David Karr19_karr@cs.cornell.edu29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 15:08:00 GMT360_- Dov Lerner (bdlerner@JTSA.EDU) wrote: >In all fairness, we all should be aware that the United Synagogue >songster is Conservative and uses the contemporary Israeli Hebrew >pronounciation, that NCSY is an Orthodox songster and uses, I believe, >the Ashkenazi Hebrew, and that the UJA-Federation is non-denomenational >and uses the Israeli Hebrew. [...] [...] 5256 36 35_Re: books and tapes for children :)19_Cheryl Birkner Mack27_dd279@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:02:37 GMT521_- Reply to message from batdance@netcom.com of Wed Jul 10 >I've hunted all around the Metro-Detroit area looking for childrens books >(in Hebrew) that have a cassette tape included. My friend's son has >numerous books in English with the stories on tape, and he just loves >them.

>Nanci >This forum discusses issues specific to childrearing in a Jewish context. >Submissions: scjp-submit@shamash.org ** Pre-Review: scjp-advice@shamash.org >Want the FAQ? Send the message "send scjp-faq" to faigin@shamash.org [...] 5293 28 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:27:19 GMT438_- In article <4sivkg$2lf@ottar.cs.cornell.edu>, David Karr wrote:

>And while we're on the general topic of Shabbat manuals, does any of >them give the correct Hebrew text of the blessing for girls? I know >enough Hebrew to recognize that the blessing I copied from one book >is for boys, but not enough to confidently "fix" the gender. >(It seems silly to give a boy's blessing when we have only girls.) [...] 5322 26 17_Re: Shabbat Songs14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:23:15 GMT439_- In article <4sedh8$gja@poisson.nosc.mil>, Louise Miller wrote: >I want to second Marc Davis' recommendation of the Paul >Zim Shabbat tape, and to note that he did a nice Pesach >tape too.

Paul Zim has *several* Pesach tapes. We have and love "Seder Nights" (1993). Haven't tried any of the others. Just wanted to share what I learned when I went out to get "the" Paul Zim Pesach tape last March. ;-) [...] 5349 29 36_Re: Need ideas: Baby Naming Ceremony14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:29:55 GMT466_- In article , Brian Cooper wrote:

>Hi. Anyone with experience with meaningful "BritBat" or similar such >naming ceremonies for girls?

>Any ideas or suggestions on where to look would be most appreciated.

Anita Diamant's "New Jewish Baby Book" has a good discussion of this and several sample ceremonies.

Mazel Tov (or B'sha'ah Tovah if she hasn't already arrived)! [...] 5379 89 20_Re: About Acceptance15_Debbie Tropiano15_debbie@icus.com29_Wed, 17 Jul 1996 21:51:56 GMT325_-

Hello -

Gosh I didn't realize that this thread would go on for so long .. Have we set a record yet? :-) :-)

In article <31DA19DD.43D2@shani.net>, Bari Nirenberg wrote: >I was raised in the Reform movement and yet, I do have a small problem with all that >you have said. .... [...] 5469 42 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 01:12:22 GMT449_US-ASCII

Dear DAvid,

I haven't looked at the exact Hebrew text of songs to compare them, but there is a difference in the notation system of vowels, eg. accent marks, or the kamatz katon, which to Hebrew readers would make a difference. Very often we read Hebrew with an English or European reading accent, that is, we emphasize the wrong sy-LAB-blend. Hebrew uses an ultimate accent more often than not; English is penultimate. [...] 5512 50 21_Re: Building a Sukkah11_JX and Soph16_sophjxl@dnai.com29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:56:48 GMT552_- In article <199607051448.JAA18129@oak.zilker.net>, andreah@utj.org wrote:

> My husband finally has this one down pat!! He lattice boards (those > ones that people use behind climbing plants) and formed a frame > around them with 2 x 4's. This way they store easily in the garage, > and then can be put together to form the Sukkah. He uses a few boards > across the top and nails the sections together. It makes for a nice > Sukkah. This way you can see in and out, the breeze can come through, > and you have a lot of places to decorate! [...] 5563 29 22_Re: Shabbat Song Books0_15_TAlpert@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:45:58 GMT409_- David Karr writes:

>And while we're on the general topic of Shabbat manuals, does any of >them give the correct Hebrew text of the blessing for girls?

The text is: Y'simekh Elohim k'Sarah, Rivkah, Rahel, v'Leah.

It can be found in, among other places, Gates of Shabbat, the UAHC (Reform) home prayer book for Shabbat, which also contains the text and music for many Shabbat songs. [...] 5593 101 29_Re: Holocaust intro: How old?0_17_meirman@erols.com29_Sun, 14 Jul 1996 00:12:05 GMT534_- I wouldn't worry that your son saw you crying for someone other than yourself. He doesn't have to understand everything the day he first learns of it. I certainly don't. Except that you want it done right, it doesn't even have to be you that tells him. You could just tell him that you can't bear to talk about it now. I can easily see how you might be able in other circumstances to deal with this, but looking at his innnocent face and remembering the million and a half children no less innocent than he, could make it much [...] 5695 52 10_Re: Sukkot15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:59:03 GMT554_US-ASCII In article <199607081743.MAA06272@clorox.pswtech.com>, stevenw@pswtech.com wrote:

> This is what Louise Miller says : > > > > The top of the sukkah needs to be greenery. We use palm branches > > here. In New England they use pine branches, and someone from the > > Midwest told me she uses corn stalks! > > My wife came up with a good method last year. Through her gardening > connections we found a tree man who was willing to drop it off, free. > Since most cities require the arborist to haul away the cuttings and > dump them at [...] 5748 48 38_Blessing for girls and Shabbat manuals14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Fri, 19 Jul 1996 14:44:51 GMT388_us-ascii David Karr wrote:

> > And while we're on the general topic of Shabbat manuals, does any of > them give the correct Hebrew text of the blessing for girls? I know > enough Hebrew to recognize that the blessing I copied from one book > is for boys, but not enough to confidently "fix" the gender. > (It seems silly to give a boy's blessing when we have only girls.) > > [...] 5797 23 17_Re: Shabbat songs21_Peterman - Cynthia G.20_peterman@csc.umd.edu29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 13:56:06 GMT476_- My daughter really enjoys the songs of Robyn Helzner, a local Washington, DC area singer. She has a few tapes which are available locally,but perhaps they are also available in other areas. We love singing along with her and the children on the tape.

Cynthia





* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 5821 51 42_Re: Blessing for girls and Shabbat manuals16_Michael & Jennye27_umdwoolf@msuvx2.memphis.edu29_Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:59:55 GMT424_us-ascii My favorite book is "Friday Night and Beyond" by Lori Palatnik. It is written for Baal Teshuvot or anyone trying to keep more observant. It is a great Shabbat manual for blessings (written in hebrew, transliteration and translation), rituals special circumstances and it also has a lot of personal reflections about the different parts of Shabbat. I LOVE this book. (I'm not affiliated in any way, by the way) [...] 5873 58 37_ANNOUNCE: New Conversion Info Website11_Jay Lapidus15_jay818@cris.com28_Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:45:33 GMT658_- This announcement may be of particular interest to intermarried parents, as well as to those parents who are concerned about intermarried offspring.

Dr. Lawrence J. Epstein, a member of the Joint Commission on Intermarriage of the Rabbinical Assembly/United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, and an author of a number of books, pamphlets and articles on intermarriage and conversion, has set up a web page for those seeking information on conversion to Judaism. Although Conservative Judaism is emphasized, USA addresses and phone numbers for obtaining information from the Orthodox (RCA), Reform and Reconstructionist movements are provided. [...] 5932 74 19_Holocaust Education14_world mizrachi24_mizrachi@netmedia.net.il29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 06:44:48 GMT620_us-ascii

Dear Marjorie,

Living in Israel my kids were already exposed to information about the Holocaust in nursery school (gan). The subject just couldn't be completely ignored - not with the memorial siren sounding for 2 minutes and everyone stopping everything they're doing (traffic comes to a stand still, both the sales people and the buyers immediately stop selling and buying) and stand still in memory of those who perished in the Holocaust. The ganenets (nursery school teachers) have to explain to the kids why they do this and why they expect the kids to do the same, so some information [...] 6007 30 30_Re:Shabbat Blessings/Songsters0_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 05:03:19 GMT585_- In a message dated 96-07-18 00:12:52 EDT, you write:

<< And while we're on the general topic of Shabbat manuals, does any of them give the correct Hebrew text of the blessing for girls? I know enough Hebrew to recognize that the blessing I copied from one book is for boys, but not enough to confidently "fix" the gender. (It seems silly to give a boy's blessing when we have only girls.) >> "Y'si'maich Elo-him k'Sara, Rivka, Rachel, V'Leah" followed by the birchat cohanim. Regarding the various songsters, If you simply want all the z'mirot for Shabbat and the Birkat [...] 6038 25 22_Girl-naming ceremonies11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Sat, 20 Jul 1996 08:58:38 GMT560_US-ASCII To avoid any implications of female circumcision, the liberal-Jewish community in Israel is calling girl-naming ceremonies "simchat ha-bat" (celebration of the daughter) or "zeved ha'bat" (gift of the daughter; tradition of the classic Jewish-Italian community; "zeved" is a gift which is loaned, not given outright).

Ruth Heiges heiges@post.tau.ac.il

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 6064 40 20_Re: About Acceptance0_30_Meredith_Warshaw@frankston.com29_Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:34:00 GMT385_- Debbie Tropiano wrote: << ....As I've said previously, if the path he chooses to follow takes him to a point where he chooses to have an Orthodox blessed conversion, then I will support him in this choice. However, I still believe that it is for him to decide as an adult and we (his parents) will do our part to educate him in the Jewish faith as best we can.>> [...] 6105 29 26_Re: QUERY: Yiddish Lullaby10_SueL10712218_suel107122@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:12:35 GMT430_- Hi

It would be helpful if you could supply some lyric. My family sang more than one Yiddish lullaby.

-Sue. Sue Leventhal Assistant to David Buskin } "ESPN, ESPN Joe-Pye Records} You're the reason I'm single again. 215-33B Hillside Avenue} Life is for losers Queens Village, NY 11427-1833}Sports is your friend 718-479-8299 fax: 718-479-DAVE 3283 }And who's got more sports on SueL107122@aol.com } Than ESPN." [...] 6135 38 32_Holocaust Education/Memorial Day25_Chana Lajcher JCT Library25_lajcher@brachot.jct.ac.il29_Mon, 22 Jul 1996 06:43:12 GMT266_US-ASCII My three-year old is also in an Israeli gan. I didn't hear the Haim story from her, but when we asked her if she knew what the day was, she replied, "Yes. Sara the gannenet said today is a sad day, so we are drawing our pictures with only blue paint". [...] 6174 36 23_REPOST: Yiddish Lullaby14_Michael Canick16_canick@panix.com29_Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:44:31 GMT555_- I belatedly thought that I should supply the lyrics I know regarding the Yiddish lullaby I'm seeking (& some have requested this). Anyway, it's a song that was sung to me & which I sing to my baby. I'm searching for the EXACT words in transliteration or voice (recording, on the phone, etc.) as well as the melody. My recollection of the transliterated words (excuse spelling) are: Mach tzu dee aygelach Mein kleine faygelach Schluff und zie gesunt mein kind. Und der malechel der gutter Veh-eh tzine dine hih-ter Schluff und zie gesunt mein kind. [...] 6211 22 15_Re: Tikkun Olam0_30_Meredith_Warshaw@frankston.com29_Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:34:00 GMT329_- In the town I used to live in, all the supermarkets had donation boxes at the exit for the local soup kitchen. It worked very well and was a very concrete way to teach tikkun olam. Every time we went shopping, I'd have Keith help me pick out an item to buy for the box, and he always got to put it in. I really miss this. [...] 6234 23 36_Re: Need ideas: Baby Naming Ceremony13_S Silverstein18_silverst@xs4all.nl29_Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:36:43 GMT517_- In article , bc@lightstone.com (Brian Cooper) wrote: >Hi. Anyone with experience with meaningful "BritBat" or similar such >naming ceremonies for girls? > >Any ideas or suggestions on where to look would be most appreciated.

Check out Anita Diamant's Jewish Baby Book.

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 6258 47 36_Re: Holocaust Education/Memorial Day10_David Karr19_karr@cs.cornell.edu29_Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:26:12 GMT642_- Chana Lajcher JCT Library writes: >I disagree about discussing the Holocaust with little children. >There are enough scary monsters in their world without explaining >about real scary things. [...]

My 7-year, Jane, brought home some thin booklets (published by Behrman house) from Hebrew school, mostly containing biblical stories, which I read to my kids from time to time. Recently we took out some we hadn't gotten to yet, and the girls have been requesting them at bedtime. So 5-year-old Polly requested "Rescue by Sea" at bedtime the other night; it's the story of the escape of the Danish Jews [...] 6306 47 41_workmen's circle shul/branch in s broward16_Workmen's Circle35_a014737t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us29_Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:31:31 GMT366_- i realize that this is an international group, but want to share some local information also has national implications (?)

the workmen's circle/arbeter ring southern region is starting a new jewish school in the south broward county (fla) area.

this school will be part of the workmen's circle/arbeter ring's national network of jewish schools. [...] 6354 21 36_Re: Need ideas: Baby Naming Ceremony0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org29_Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:02:00 GMT457_- The Women's League for Conservative Judaism puts out a whole package of info. on the Simchat Bat ceremony. Contact them at: 48 E. 74th St., NY, NY 10021; 800/628-5083, 212/628-1600 or fax 212/772-3507. There is a charge for the package.

Linda Zell Randall

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 6376 64 36_Re: Need ideas: Baby Naming Ceremony18_David L. Bernstein17_david@cmpedge.com29_Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:53:10 GMT388_- In article , bc@lightstone.com (Brian Cooper) wrote:

> Hi. Anyone with experience with meaningful "BritBat" or similar such > naming ceremonies for girls?



Brian -

We recently held a Brissa for our second daughter. If you like, I can e-mail you some of the items we read at the service (held in our home). [...] 6441 56 30_Holocaust and childrens' fears0_14_HCG@delphi.com29_Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:20:24 GMT487_US-ASCII Chana Lajcher wrote:

>I disagree about discussing the Holocaust with little children. There >are enough scary monsters in their world without explaining about real >scary things. They'll get innundated with the stories in elementary >school; I don't have to go out of my way to frighten her now. She has >to stay away from electricity, wash her hands to avoid germs, stay away >from ledges, hold my hand crossing the street etc. She doesn't need >nazis in her life. [...] 6498 31 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 26616_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com29_Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:55:52 GMT268_-

Hi-

Re Baby Naming Ceremony for a girl, I will try and attach one thatr I have used. I am still not certain how the "attach" command works on E Mail but hope you can get this. If not, E Mail me at lvrabbi@accessnv.com and I will mail you a copy. [...] 6530 37 23_Meaningful Girl's Names5_Grace18_courage@netcom.com29_Thu, 25 Jul 1996 20:49:54 GMT554_- Hi, I hope that this is an OK topic. My husband and I are expecting our first child. I am 36 and this is both something of a surprise as well as a miracle -- for various health reasons we were not sure we would ever be so blessed. Anyway, all looks normal (thank Gd) and the tests tell us it's a girl. We are looking for meaningful, possibly ethnic, though it's not required, girl's names. You know, strength, courage, any of those wonderful qualities. Also could anyone recommend a book of Jewish names? One of the great-grandparents' names will [...] 6568 65 23_Meaningful Girl's Names14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:56:27 GMT268_us-ascii Grace wrote: > > Hi, I hope that this is an OK topic. My husband and I are expecting > our first child. I am 36 and this is both something of a surprise as > well as a miracle -- for various health reasons we were not sure we > would ever be so blessed. [...] 6634 25 12_CTTS: 3 y.o.10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Fri, 26 Jul 1996 19:11:11 GMT360_- My son, Joshua, loves his slightly-larger-than-average stuffed dinosaur that he got as a gift.

He was in his car seat, holding on to it, when we arrived home. He was in the middle of dropping it when I opened his door, and the dino fell. Joshua looked at it and said "Oy, my stegasaurus is all f'chahtted" (I didn't even know he knew that word!) [...] 6660 25 27_Re: Meaningful Girl's Names0_14_GMAN94@aol.com29_Fri, 26 Jul 1996 18:02:54 GMT372_-

Grace Asked: "We are looking for meaningful, possibly ethnic, though it's not required, girl's names. You know, strength, courage, any of those wonderful qualities."

One of my favorite names is Arrielle (there are many variations of spelling). Arrielle means "lion of G-d" in Hebrew. Can't get much stronger than that!

-Larry (Gman94@aol.com) [...] 6686 42 30_Family Sukkot in the hospital?10_Jo Pitesky28_jpitesky@gllsvc.jpl.nasa.gov29_Mon, 29 Jul 1996 22:09:24 GMT542_us-ascii There is a good chance that kid #2 is going to end up being a c- section just before Sukkot--which means that I'll be in the hospital during the first few days. I'm planning on getting the sukkah up at the start of September (probably pretty much everything but the shach) so that we can be sure that it WILL be up, but I'm wondering what we can do to have something of a family sukkot celebration in the hospital, and also ways of integrating the 3-year-old into the events (the newborn, I assume, won't really care one way or [...] 6729 32 27_Re: Meaningful Girl's Names13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 29 Jul 1996 19:56:08 GMT358_us-ascii "Hadass Eviatar" wrote: > > I guess you could use the actual words for strength or courage (Oz, G'vura, >etc.). Those would be very unusual names but not actually unheard of. > >

How about Gavriella? I have a good friend in Israel with that name? Her parents chose the name from the word g'vura. [...] 6762 27 16_Hebrew Baby Name5_Pepto23_schwartz@compumedia.com29_Tue, 30 Jul 1996 03:53:00 GMT543_- Hello. We are expecting our first child (a daughter) in around six weeks. We have chosen an English name honoring my wife's Black heritage, and now are working on Hebrew names. (BTW, FWIW, my wife is a JBC). We would like to name the baby after my Aunt Minnie whose name back in the old country was Monya. Also, we would like to combine Monya with Abira (Strong) so her entire Hebrew name would be "Monya Abira" (Monya the Strong). Our question is, is the Yiddish name Monya appropriate for a Hebrew name today and does the way we have [...] 6790 40 27_Re: Meaningful Girl's Names13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:00:56 GMT510_us-ascii >Grace wrote: >> >> Hi, I hope that this is an OK topic. My husband and I are expecting >> our first child. I am 36 and this is both something of a surprise as >> well as a miracle -- for various health reasons we were not sure we >> would ever be so blessed. >> Anyway, all looks normal (thank Gd) and the >> tests tell us it's a girl. We are looking for meaningful, possibly >> ethnic, though it's not required, girl's names. You know, strength, >> courage, any of those wonderful qualities. > [...] 6831 32 27_Re: Meaningful Girl's Names15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Sun, 28 Jul 1996 14:00:41 GMT301_- Hadass Eviatar (eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca) wrote: > Grace wrote: > > Also could anyone > > recommend a book of Jewish names? One of the great-grandparents' > > names will be included too, but the other name we would like to be > > something special and new to our family. Thanks for any help. [...] 6864 56 7_Arielle14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:41:44 GMT411_us-ascii Larry (Gman94@aol.com) wrote: > > > Grace Asked: > "We are looking for meaningful, possibly > ethnic, though it's not required, girl's names. You know, strength, > courage, any of those wonderful qualities." > > One of my favorite names is Arrielle (there are many variations of spelling). > Arrielle means "lion of G-d" in Hebrew. Can't get much stronger than that! > > -Larry (Gman94@aol.com) > [...] 6921 38 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 26816_Richard Schachet20_lvrabbi@accessnv.com29_Tue, 30 Jul 1996 03:54:52 GMT343_-

I would like to point out that Moment Magazine (August '96) has articles and things which can be of great help in answering a lot of questions that have been asked on this net. Their article "Ones to Grow On: The Best of New Jewish Children's Music" is absdolutely wonderful in giving us tapes, CD's, artists and what have you. [...] 6960 21 20_Re: About Acceptance7_Cynbatt15_cynbatt@aol.com29_Sun, 28 Jul 1996 04:02:56 GMT390_- What am I missing? If you are not Orthodox or planning to become Orthodox, how do you get an Orthodox conversion? Absent the most flagrant moral fraud and deception, of course. I think you have to do what is reflective of your own beliefs and observance. Your child may choose a different path but you can't change your own current beliefs because of what might occur in the future. [...] 6982 24 27_re: Meaningful girl's names10_ChanaRivka18_chanarivka@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:03:40 GMT450_- I don't know how trendy or modern this name is, but it's very meaningful to me. We were ecstatic having 2 fine sons but I felt badly not having a daughter. When I found I was pregnant again (surprise), I prayed for a daughter but resigned myself to accept whatever Hashem had in mind for us. When Brenna was born we were so happy and I felt my prayers were answered. So, we named her Bracha and she has been our blessing for the past 6 years. [...] 7007 30 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 2700_16_Elizcat1@aol.com29_Wed, 31 Jul 1996 06:07:13 GMT515_-

Quick note on Monya--

My grandmother was also called Monya (though they spelled it Manya) but that was considered her Russian name. When they came to America, Ellis Island decided to call her Marie, which became her official English name, but the family always called her Malka, which, by a lovely coincidence, translates to queen. Therefore, when we went to name our daughter for my beloved grandmother of blessed memory, we were able to name her for a queen! Elana Malka was born 6/24/95... [...] 7038 37 20_Re: Meaningful Names0_16_Elizcat1@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:15:02 GMT433_-

As far as naming of children, the ultimate book is called The Hebrew Baby Name Book by I believe Shamar Sidi something. We used it when naming our daughter (Elana Malka, 1) because it clearly lists out the name, the Hebrew spelling and the definition of the name. We found that very useful because it was very important to us that our child's name reflect something more than just "gee, Brittany is such a cool name". [...] 7076 57 17_Hebrew Baby Names14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Wed, 31 Jul 1996 14:46:18 GMT476_us-ascii David Schwartz wrote: > > Hello. > We are expecting our first child (a daughter) in around six weeks.



Besha'a Tova!



Also, we would like to combine Monya with Abira (Strong) so her > entire Hebrew name would be "Monya Abira" (Monya the Strong). Our > question is, is the Yiddish name Monya appropriate for a Hebrew name today > and does the way we have combined Monya with Abira make sense? Thank you > for any and all replys. [...]