1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting April 1996 2 24 16_Baby Moses Salad8_BeJesTeB16_bejesteb@aol.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 03:42:47 GMT454_- My kids,now 10 1/2 and 9 have loved making this salad from Joan nathan's jewish Holiday Kids Cookbook. One serving,a lettuce leaf basket w/1/2 pear or apple decorated w/raisin eyes on an olive head &carrot arms & legs(sometimes covered w/another leaf blanket to 'keep him warm')is made for each child attending. We also have enjoyed trying different haroset recipes from around the world.Joan Nathan's adult cookbook has lots of fascinating ones. [...] 27 39 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach20_Irene Stern Friedman13_lexf@epix.net29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:22:48 GMT385_- In article <199603241339.IAA07786@dam.CharlesView.COM>, Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote:

* <> * * <> [...] 67 25 20_Re: Baby Moses Salad12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:03:35 GMT364_- BeJesTeB (bejesteb@aol.com) wrote: > My kids,now 10 1/2 and 9 have loved making this salad from Joan nathan's > jewish Holiday Kids Cookbook. One serving,a lettuce leaf basket w/1/2 > pear or apple decorated w/raisin eyes on an olive head &carrot arms & > legs(sometimes covered w/another leaf blanket to 'keep him warm')is made > for each child attending. [...] 93 28 20_Pesach food for kids15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 22:39:06 GMT536_- This is in answer to Marjorie's post about what to feed macaroni-and-cheese eating kids during Pesach--but it didn't make it the first time:

Cauliflowerets and cheese or broccoli and cheese (made like macaroni and cheese with a bit less liquid) , baked sweet potatoes (that's what I give my kids for breakfast instead of that sugar-y Passover cereal--just cut up and microwave)-- plain or with almost anything, boiled potatoes covered with melted cheese (it doesn't have to be raclette to be delicious), stuffed baked potatoes. 122 37 76_Olam Katan mailing list for small communities/small congregations/rural Jews14_Steve Forstein19_rebsteve@dakota.net29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 22:55:28 GMT601_- [ mod. This is accepted not because it is about Jewish parenting but because it might become an useful resource on Jewish parenting in the hinterland. No follow up should be posted. ] > Olam Katan, (small world), the mailing list for Jews in small communities, rural situations and small congregations is now open for business. This mailing list is open to subscription and contribution by all who live as Jews in rural areas, small Jewish communities and small congregations, those who have lived in those situations or who have an interest in Jews and Jewish communities in those situations. [...] 160 38 22_How to Appoach School?15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:53:10 GMT590_- I am upset about the extent of Easter being included in my daughter's public school studies. I don't know how to best raise this issue with them and am interested in hearing from any parent who has already raised similar issues.

My first grader was out ill yesterday and, consistent with school policy, I picked up copies of the day's materials to work on with her at home. It consisted of such things a dot-to-dot Easter bunny for math, copying a poem about Spring that specifically referenced Easter, learning about symmettry by drawing the other half of Easter baskets and [...] 199 66 35_Help: Problems with circ'd penis...14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:58:55 GMT359_-

Hi,

I posted this anonymously a few weeks ago hoping to avoid emailed flames from any anti-circ-types lurking about here, but have seen no replies. I have been wondering if this was because the article was posted anonymously, perhaps leading people to believe that it was a troll or forgery or some kind. So I am asking again as myself. [...] 266 27 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:02:04 GMT434_- In article , Irene Stern Friedman wrote: >You simply tell them-- we were slaves in Egypt (and 15 years ago my then 5 >year old told her kindergarten class that she remembered being a slave in >Egypt) and G-d freed us and now we follow G-d's laws one of which requires >special foods for these 8 days. You may have to repeat this 3 times each >day, but do it patiently. [...] 294 22 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:03:59 GMT444_- In article , Irene Stern Friedman wrote: >Chicken can be matzoh mealed instead of breaded.

Bakit (Kosher shake-n-bake type coating) is kosher for passover, and kids do tend to like that kind of thing.

--Robyn

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 317 31 15_Rugrat Passover7_Schlang23_schlang@rtp.ericsson.se29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:11:08 GMT552_us-ascii I beleive on saurday night at 7pm Nicolodian is going to be airing the Rug Rat Passover.

This is good for smaller children.



-------------------------------------------------------- | Jeff Schlang | Father of Brian, Mitchell | | | Rachel & Rebecca | | schlang@rtp.ericsson.se | | --------------------------------------------------------







* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 349 69 26_Re: How to Appoach School?15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:07:59 GMT513_- How about offering your help to the school *when* they teach the unit on Passover.

I don't blame you for being upset. I guess it's another one of those holidays where the Christians see these activities as secular since no single religion has a patent on eggs and baby animals symbolizing new life in the spring. However--in name if nothing else (I don't suppose the baskets could pass for shaloch manot)-- they still focus on customs associated with a holiday celebrated by members of one religion [...] 419 35 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach10_David Karr19_karr@cs.cornell.edu29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:39:49 GMT627_- robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes: >And how do you define "slave" for a preschooler without having them conclude >that they are actually slaves themselves (being forced to do whatever their >parents want them to)?

While reading "My Very Own Hagadah" (did I get the title right? anyway, I mean the coloring-book hagadah) to my preschooler, Polly, I noticed that they showed one of Pharaoh's overseers beating a Hebrew slave with a whip. And Polly pointed out that Pharaoh also has a dog who looks like he'd be mean to the slaves. These suffice to distinguish slavery from anything that happens in [...] 455 23 36_Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?10_Meir Frank17_meirman@erols.com29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 05:14:38 GMT487_- robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) wrote:

>In article <4in3gn$dh6@netsrv2.spss.com>, Ilene France wrote: >>Finally, keeping kosher with the baby

As I understand it, babies are obliged to keep kosher, but the burden is on their parents if they don't. Isn't that right?





* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 479 27 19_Bat Mitzvah program13_ann i schrage27_i001703@disch3.disc.dla.mil29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:30:22 GMT526_- Hi. My daughter will become a Bat Mitzvah April 20, 1996, and I too am very interested in a Bat Mitzvah program to distribute to the guests. I also belong to a reform congregation. Thanx! ann schrage i001703@disc.dla.mil





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* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 507 25 16_Seder traditions0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:16:00 GMT560_- In our family, one important tradition is that we end the evening by singing "Around her neck she wore a yellow ribbon" - apparently my great-grandmother always sung that after a 4th cup of wine :-)

I grew up using the Reconstructionist Haggadah, which is mostly in English. This year we are going to try "In every generation: A family haggadah" from Kar-Ben Copies, Inc. It looks like it will be easy to adapt to different age kids, as our grow and (hopefully) mature, and has some thought provoking extra readings and questions to think about. [...] 533 31 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1780_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:06:45 GMT611_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 00:50:20 EST, you write:

> I do agree that Ivrit is now the new Yiddish. But >must we change the way we pray change too?

Although Ivrit is the spoken language in Israel and many day schools teach Ivrit B'Ivrit, this does not change the manner in which one prays. According to Halacha(Jewish Law), one should pray in the manner of their ancestors, which in your case is the Ashkenazic pronunciation(shabbes instead of Shabbat). If you visit Israel, you will see that, while everyone speaks in the Sephardic pronunciation (w/o exception), many pray in the [...] 565 35 34_Jewish Child/Christian Youth Group0_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:06:57 GMT445_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 00:50:20 EST, you write:

>and the whole >group prayed for Cindy. I don't mind this, not at all. It shows she has >caring >friends. The youth group wrote Cindy a very moving letter, and all 25 kids >signed it. >Now the problem. The girl has asked Cindy to go to one of her youth group >meetings. The kids who signed the letter would like to meet Cindy. Am I being >paranoid about letting her go? [...] 601 21 15_Rugrat Passover24_Deborah Brodie/Jay Brill19_dor_l_dor@radix.net29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:36:50 GMT359_-

This was just shown at supplementary school - 4th and 6th grades -- the kids giggled since they knew the 'real' story. Younger kids will take the story to heart!

Deborah :)



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 623 34 39_Re: Help: Problems with circ'd penis...10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:54:11 GMT474_- Robyn Kozierok (robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu) wrote: : 2) Does the extra skin really need to be pulled off of the head if it : sticks, if nothing is getting trapped underneath it? Will it loosen : back up on its own as he gets older like an uncircumcised penis is : supposed to? : : I will of course seek competent medical advice on this issue, but it often : helps to know whether the advice you are hearing is the same as what : "everyone else's" doctor says or not. [...] 658 29 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1780_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:06:00 GMT394_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 00:50:20 EST, you write:

>and the whole >group prayed for Cindy. I don't mind this, not at all. It shows she has >caring >friends. The youth group wrote Cindy a very moving letter, and all 25 kids >signed it. >Now the problem. The girl has asked Cindy to go to one of her youth group >meetings. The kids who signed the letter would like to mee [...] 688 99 29_Re: Intro and question (rcpt)14_harold federow18_haroldf@zipnet.com29_Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:36:26 GMT557_- In article <199603181741.MAA12232@shamash.org>, ann i schrage wrote:

> Hi all. > I have a question, but first I'll introduce myself, since I don't think > I've done that yet. > I'm Ann Schrage, I have 2 great kids, Cindy who will become a Bat Mitzvah > next month, and Debra, who just turned 5 the end of January. I'm divorced as > of last Nov, I was separated Dec 94. a long one> As an aside, my ex will not give me a get, so technically I'm an > agunah. I work fulltime [...] 788 51 29_Re: Intro and question (rcpt)17_Christine Linders19_ag954@ccn.cs.dal.ca29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:05:40 GMT511_US-ASCII

Louise Miller (miller@louise.ucsd.edu) wrote: : Yes, your daughter is probably being targeted by : a missionary group. They tend to go after people : who are in a difficult period in their lives. : That's why they are so active on college campuses.

: Please be careful.

I really hesitated before following up on this post because I didn't want to be seen as being interferring, but I thought about it for a few days and thought I might have some useful advice, so here goes. [...] 840 27 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1780_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 04:06:12 GMT588_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 00:50:20 EST, you write:

>am wondering in the American schools if any Jewish schools have >security, like off duty police men? Also I am wondering what incidents >may have happened in the past?

I am a principal of a day school in the New York metropolitan area. We have closed circuit televisions which let us know who is at the door before we let them in. Most schools have installed some sort of security precautions since the Gulf War. However, I have not heard of any disturbances at any of the schools during school sessions. [...] 868 44 33_Pesach Recipes - Here's the URL!!13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:38:09 GMT351_us-ascii [Though this post has no overt references to Jewish Parenting or to kids, and is technically "off charter," I am certain that Louise had Jewish parenting in mind when she shared this helpful URL. -- Nina Salkin]

OK you guys! Learn how to do a Web search! Go into one of the various search engines and put "Passover" and "recipe." [...] 913 31 36_Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?10_Meir Frank17_meirman@erols.com29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 05:20:34 GMT350_-

>In article <4in3gn$dh6@netsrv2.spss.com>, ilene@spss.com says... >> >>I have a 9 1/2-month old baby, and have several questions about >>how to handle Pesach. First, can his high-chair tray be >>kashered? What do I need to do? He does not get bottles at >>home, but does get them at daycare. Do I need to buy new >>bottles for Pesach? [...] 945 26 19_More Pesach recipes13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:37:28 GMT318_us-ascii More recipes!!! Comes from some sort of Jewish food listserv.



http://www.eskimo.com/~jefffree/recipes/



Louise



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 972 25 30_Birthday parties during Pesach0_15_TAlpert@aol.com29_Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:15:17 GMT494_- Our 4 year old autistic son has been invited to a birthday party on the Friday during Pesach, in the early afternoon. The party will be held at a Discovery Zone. Presumably, there will be a birthday cake, etc. after some play time. While we do not keep Kosher, we do avoid hametz during Pesach, using Conservative movement rules as our guidelines. Does anyone have a suggestion for how to make this party as enjoyable as possible for our son, while still avoiding having him eat hametz? [...] 998 35 21_Re: Xtian youth group0_17_David2505@aol.com29_Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:20:55 GMT565_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 00:50:20 EST, Ann Schrage writes:

> The girl has asked Cindy to go to one of her (xtian) youth group >meetings. The kids who signed the letter would like to meet Cindy. Am I being >paranoid about letting her go?

There are a wide range of Xtian youth groups, some of which are proselytizing groups and some which aren't. First thing, I'd speak to the adult advisor of the youth group in advance to get a feeling for whether this is a proselytizing group. Then, the best advice is to go with your daughter (an [...] 1034 18 64_Re: Inexpensive Bar Mitzva party for 15 13-year olds mostly boys7_LL 246814_ll2468@aol.com28_Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:31:59 GMT371_- How about a rollerskating or sports party?? How about taking them all to a baseball game and then dinner? Some hotels have indoor swimming pools and they can be rented for parties. Have Fun!! {=^:^=} Barbara

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 1053 33 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1800_14_Gidong@aol.com29_Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:17:24 GMT334_-

In a message dated 96-03-24 01:04:57 EST, you write:

>have a 9 1/2-month old baby, and have several questions about >how to handle Pesach. First, can his high-chair tray be >kashered? What do I need to do? He does not get bottles at >home, but does get them at daycare. Do I need to buy new >bottles for Pesach? [...] 1087 22 19_Thought for the day14_Gary P. Garber15_garyg@flash.net28_Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:59:36 GMT393_- It's getting kind of quiet during this Passover season, so I thought I'd share a verse :

"Train a child in the way he should go. And when he is old he will not turn from it" Proverbs 22:6

Happy Passover, Gary Garber

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 1110 22 10_CTTS (3.5)14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu28_Sun, 7 Apr 1996 05:50:38 GMT334_- (As an aside, Eliana was really disappointed that she didn't get to go to a THIRD seder-oy!)

Ellie was watching a commercial for the Olympic Games. When she saw a woman running with the Olympic torch she said "She's going to use that to burn the chometz!"

Jan, Mommy to Tovah (5.5), Eliana (3.5) and Asher (14mo) [...] 1133 53 25_Snacks at the Seder Table15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:21:42 GMT401_- Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on the table that won't seem offensive? [...] 1187 53 18_CTTS (4yo and 6yo)10_David Karr19_karr@cs.cornell.edu28_Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:15:34 GMT514_- I'm importing the acronym CTTS (cute things they say) from misc.kids. Also the abbreviation 4yo for "four-year-old."

CTTS #1:

A few weeks ago I was playing a game with Jane (age 6) and Polly (age 4) in which you have a hidden card with a picture on it and the other players have to ask yes-or-no questions to guess what it is. Polly had just taken a card and it was Jane's turn to ask, but Jane was fidgiting and alternately trying to peek at Polly's cards or playing with her own used cards. [...] 1241 43 38_Re: Jewish Child/Christian Youth Group14_Lynn O'donnell19_LUCX94A@prodigy.com29_Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:02:36 GMT550_- I just happened to come upon your thread while looking for newsgroups about parenting. I am a Protestant, age 39 who grew up in a community which was 50% Jewish, 50% Christian, the Christians mainly being Catholic. As a teen I dated many Jewish boys, mostly people considering the fact that we would all go our own ways come college, and we mostly did, I married a Catholic. But what you say about this youth group, I am in agreement with entirely. I am not an evangelical Christian, and I am a Sunday School teacher, and I understand alot of [...] 1285 53 37_So, What are your kids REALLY eating?15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Sun, 7 Apr 1996 01:56:03 GMT439_US-ASCII Ok, its day three, and my kids have not complained ONCE about the food for Pesach. I'm astonished! :-)

The big hits, besides the turkey for seder dinners, was the pizza mix. I don't know how many of you dared to try it, but it was quite edible. :-) I made it with the migdal mozzerella, and I might choose another cheese next time (that didn't melt well), and I added spinach and yellow peppers. It was a big hit. :-) [...] 1339 32 34_Re: Birthday parties during Pesach10_Karen Ford13_karen@mcs.com28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:01:14 GMT531_- TAlpert@aol.com wrote: : Our 4 year old autistic son has been invited to a birthday party on the : Friday during Pesach, in the early afternoon. The party will be held at a : Discovery Zone. Presumably, there will be a birthday cake, etc. after some : play time. While we do not keep Kosher, we do avoid hametz during Pesach, : using Conservative movement rules as our guidelines. Does anyone have a : suggestion for how to make this party as enjoyable as possible for our son, : while still avoiding having him eat hametz? [...] 1372 41 34_Re: Birthday parties during Pesach25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:01:08 GMT410_- We went through the same thing last year (albeit with a <2 year old). We brought substitute food, including lots of special treats to compensate for no birthday cake or pizza, and the birthday party parents (who are Jewish, and really should have known better) provided cans of maccaroons and pesach candy, which were more popular among ALL the children (ranging up to 6 in age) than the birthday cake. [...] 1414 21 23_List of (O) Day Schools14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:50:52 GMT310_- My husband is looking for a job right now and we have three young children. We would only consider places with an orthodox day school. Is there a list (or lists from different affiliations) that is put out about which cities have schools?

Jan, Mommy to Tovah (5.5), Eliana (3.5) and Asher (14mo) [...] 1436 34 23_Re: Shabbes or Shabbat?13_Packer Family17_msp@world.std.com29_Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:16:47 GMT310_US-ASCII

Our rabbi (Orthodox) feels strongly that one should daven in the mode of his family's tradition. I regret that it is too late for me, that Sephardi Hebrew is what falls so easily off my tongue from learning modern Hebrew before the prayerbook (having become religious about 5 years ago.) [...] 1471 29 22_music for 2 month old?9_Judi Sohn19_judis@interport.net28_Sun, 7 Apr 1996 13:06:10 GMT344_-

My daughter is 7 weeks old, and my husband and I would like to start exposing her to jewish music. Can anyone make any specific recommendations of CDs we could get that she might enjoy? It needs to be soothing...she doesn't like loud "rock n roll" type music yet. Ideally, we'd love to get a CD of jewish lullabies if it exists. [...] 1501 25 18_Anne in the Tanakh0_17_czeil@caprica.com28_Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:24:21 GMT340_us-ascii I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there know of one, or of anything close?? TYIA, Rebecca [...] 1527 30 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:16:11 GMT500_- In article <4jkto6$b6n@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, Marjorie Peskin wrote: >Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, >and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to >be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening >if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on >the table that won't seem offensive? [...] 1558 24 28_Unusual marketing techniques8_BillNech16_billnech@aol.com28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:32:34 GMT420_- I friend recently told of being in the Kosher for Passover section of the supermarket when the Easter Bunny showed up to give candy to the children. In the same gathering, another friend mentioned a company which makes candies for school sales. They also make candy which is Kosher for Passover, but the marketing unit didn't seem to realize that a Kosher for Passover chocolat crucifix would not be appropriate. [...] 1583 24 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh10_Karen Ford13_karen@mcs.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:38:22 GMT370_- czeil@caprica.com wrote: : I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of : Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). : Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to : Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there : know of one, or of anything close?? : TYIA, Rebecca [...] 1608 28 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh8_CARLTECH22_blpatcai@pop.erols.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:55:31 GMT379_us-ascii czeil@caprica.com wrote: > > I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of > Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). > Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to > Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there > know of one, or of anything close?? > TYIA, Rebecca [...] 1637 48 37_So, What are your kids REALLY eating?0_25_lynnef@mdhost.cse.tek.com29_Wed, 10 Apr 1996 00:15:59 GMT294_- Well, our kids are 13 and 9, but Brian (the 9 year old) is a picky eater.

The cocoa cereal from T. Abraham is a winner. The Honey Stars and Fruitys don't seem to be going over too well. I've been eating the Streit's Muesli - Rebecca tried a bowl and allowed as how it wasn't bad. [...] 1686 43 34_Re: Birthday parties during Pesach15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Sun, 7 Apr 1996 21:07:58 GMT531_- TAlpert@aol.com wrote: : Our 4 year old autistic son has been invited to a birthday party on the : Friday during Pesach, in the early afternoon. The party will be held at a : Discovery Zone. Presumably, there will be a birthday cake, etc. after some : play time. While we do not keep Kosher, we do avoid hametz during Pesach, : using Conservative movement rules as our guidelines. Does anyone have a : suggestion for how to make this party as enjoyable as possible for our son, : while still avoiding having him eat hametz? [...] 1730 55 66_Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)12_Ilene France14_ilene@spss.com28_Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:10:09 GMT332_us-ascii I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my questions on kashering baby stuff for Pesach. I wasn't able to respond to everyone personally. Here is a quick summary of what we did, in case it helps anyone for next year:

--We bought all new bottles, nipples, and a new cup, bowl and spoon to use during Pesach. [...] 1786 60 45_REGIONAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Jewish Genetic Disease12_Ari Schiffer19_ari_s@interramp.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 06:42:37 GMT567_US-ASCII CANAVAN DISEASE CARRIER SCREENING DAY SUNDAY, APRIL 28 Free Test for Jewish Genetic Disease



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On Sunday, April 28th, the Canavan Foundation will offer free carrier screening for Canavan disease at the Mt. Sinai Hospital Center for Jewish Genetic Diseases. Genetic counselors and doctors will be on hand to provide information about Canavan disease and other Jewish genetic disease, and to perform the simple blood tests. [...] 1847 59 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table8_CARLTECH22_blpatcai@pop.erols.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:52:38 GMT554_us-ascii Robyn Kozierok wrote: > > In article <4jkto6$b6n@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, > Marjorie Peskin wrote: > >Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder > >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, > >and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to > >be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening > >if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on > >the table that won't seem offensive? > > So [...] 1907 42 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table14_Laurel Halbany23_mythago@agora.rdrop.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:24:16 GMT464_- mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) wrote:

>Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, >and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to >be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening >if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on >the table that won't seem offensive? [...] 1950 39 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table20_Irene Stern Friedman13_lexf@epix.net29_Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:11:12 GMT615_- In article <4kbs6b$k37@life.ai.mit.edu>, robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) wrote:

* In article <4jkto6$b6n@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, * Marjorie Peskin wrote: * >Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder * >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, * >and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to * >be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening * >if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on * >the table that won't seem offensive? [...] 1990 39 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh15_Richard A. Ifft20_raifft@ix.netcom.com28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:28:11 GMT401_- In <31683285.A7C@caprica.com> czeil@caprica.com writes: > >I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of >Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). >Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to >Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there >know of one, or of anything close?? >TYIA, Rebecca > > [...] 2030 857 69_soc.culture.jewish FAQ: Jewish Childrearing Related Questions (12/12)13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net26_10 Apr 1996 11:09:01 -0700711_- Archive-name: judaism/FAQ/12-Kids Soc-culture-jewish-archive-name: faq.12-Kids Posting-Frequency: Monthly

Frequently Asked Questions on Soc.Culture.Jewish Part 12: Jewish Childrearing Related Questions [Last Change: $Date: 1996/04/10 18:08:37 $ $Revision: 1.7 $] [Last Post: Sun May 7 11:07:07 1995]

This posting is an attempt to answer questions that are continually asked on soc.culture.jewish. It was written by cooperating laypeople from the various Judaic movements. You _should not_ make any assumption as to accuracy and/or authoritativeness of the answers provided herein. In all cases, it is always best to consult a competent authority--your local rabbi is a good place to start. [...] 2888 33 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh12_Ron Grunwald19_grun@acpub.duke.edu29_Thu, 11 Apr 1996 07:20:33 GMT416_- In article <31683285.A7C@caprica.com>, czeil@caprica.com wrote:

> I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of > Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). > Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to > Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there > know of one, or of anything close?? > TYIA, Rebecca [...] 2922 44 26_Re: music for 2 month old?15_Susan Streisand24_suelynn@worldnet.att.net29_Thu, 11 Apr 1996 04:13:24 GMT425_us-ascii Judi Sohn wrote: > > My daughter is 7 weeks old, and my husband and I would like to start > exposing her to jewish music. Can anyone make any specific recommendations > of CDs we could get that she might enjoy? It needs to be soothing...she > doesn't like loud "rock n roll" type music yet. Ideally, we'd love to get > a CD of jewish lullabies if it exists. > > Thanks. > > -- > Judi Sohn > judis@interport.net [...] 2967 41 36_Technology and Bar/Bat Mitzvah Study5_Roman26_rroytman@emerald.tufts.edu28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:40:03 GMT654_- Shalom,

I am interested in studying how advancements in technology affect our study of Judaism. More specifically, I intend on completing a research paper studying how an instructional computer program, named Haftutor, helps Bar/Bat Mitzvah students learn their particular hebrew portions.

I would very much appreciate if anyone familiar with Haftutor (or any similar computer program) would contact me, and possibly engage in some discourse. I'm very interested in the students' and instructors' impressions of this form of instruction, and I am equally interested in hearing from those who may disagree with this form instruction. [...] 3009 87 39_Re: Help: Problems with circ'd penis...12_Sophie Miron31_soph@typhoon-ether.berkeley.edu29_Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:16:48 GMT564_US-ASCII > We have been having trouble with Ryan's penis since he was about 9 months > old. His first pediatrician never really emphasized that we needed to > pull back the extra foreskin/fat that covered the head of the penis to keep > it from reattaching. At 9 months we brought Ryan to his new pediatrician > (change was insurance-related) with what I feared was some kind of infection > and which turned out to be smegma caught under the reattached foreskin. > The doctor had to forcibly pull the skin back, which Ryan understandably was > not very happy [...] 3097 39 26_Re: music for 2 month old?14_Laurel Halbany23_mythago@agora.rdrop.com29_Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:56:16 GMT395_- judis@interport.net (Judi Sohn) wrote:



>My daughter is 7 weeks old, and my husband and I would like to start >exposing her to jewish music. Can anyone make any specific recommendations >of CDs we could get that she might enjoy? It needs to be soothing...she >doesn't like loud "rock n roll" type music yet. Ideally, we'd love to get >a CD of jewish lullabies if it exists. [...] 3137 34 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)17_Marion Baumgarten19_marion10@tezcat.com29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:45:19 GMT528_- Ilene France wrote:

> > > --We tried cleaned the high chair and tray very thoroughly, and poured > boiling water over the tray. We tried to cover the tray with foil, but > Isaac just pulled it right off, so we've given up on that. I'd feel > better about the kashrut of the tray if it were covered, but it doesn't > seem to work. > I would wonder if for future babies if you could buy an extra replacement tray and use that for passover? I know Fisher Price is very good about selling extra parts [...] 3172 38 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools12_Russell Gold16_russgold@acm.org29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:21:26 GMT575_- In article <4kc58c$rt2@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu>, js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann) wrote:

>My husband is looking for a job right now and we have three young children. >We would only consider places with an orthodox day school. Is there a list >(or lists from different affiliations) that is put out about which >cities have schools?

You may find it worthwhile to consider some non-O day schools as well. The Philadelphia area, for example, has both O and C day schools; however, many O Jews do send their children to Solomon Schecter, which is C-affiliated. [...] 3211 40 26_Re: music for 2 month old?13_Cheryl Gowing34_cgowing@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 16:44:33 GMT524_-

Hi Judi:

There is a wonderful CD by Tanja Solnik titled "From generation to generation: a legacy of lullabies" on the DreamSong Recordings label (DS 101 ; 1993). The lullabies are sung in Ladino, Hebrew & Yiddish and there are liner notes with the texts. They are very singable with beautiful arrangments and in most parents' vocal range. My husband and I love listening to this CD (in contrast to many 'children's' albums) and my daughter Rebekah finds it very soothing. I highly recommend it to all! [...] 3252 28 41_Re: So, What are your kids REALLY eating?14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:32:27 GMT532_- In article <199604070156.UAA19545@lynx.dac.neu.edu>, Marjorie Peskin wrote: >Ok, its day three, and my kids have not complained ONCE about the food >for Pesach. I'm astonished! :-)

When Tovah was about 2 and it was the day after Pesach we asked her what she wanted for lunch. Her answer "Matza!" Now she's older and more sophisticated we made a trip at 8:00am to the nearest kosher bakery and got croissants! Tovah's mommy sent Tovah's daddy to Baskin Robbins the MINUTE Pesach was over (-; [...] 3281 26 22_CCTS -- Passover foods0_18_kmuldrow@enter.net29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:57:33 GMT341_- Our youngest (turns four on April 16th!) has been very interested in the dietary changes of Passover:

Before he took a drink: "Mommy, does milk rise?"....

He is amazed that it was so short (!) in contrast to our 9 year old who groaned through every meal -- even when they weren't all that different from our daily fair. [...] 3308 54 37_Jewish Music for Infants and Toddlers0_16_dinitz@tibco.com29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:23:53 GMT508_- Judi Sohn wrote: > My daughter is 7 weeks old, and my husband and I would like to start > exposing her to jewish music. Can anyone make any specific > recommendations [...]

I'm a big fan of live parental music for kids -- sing-it-yourself is better than any recording of someone else. Even if you think you can't sing, babies appreciate feeling your body vibrate when you try. Almost any melody that you love can sound like a lullabye when you sing it slow and soulful while holding your baby. [...] 3363 51 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools16_Hillel A. Meyers27_hillelm@cadsun.corp.mot.com29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 22:18:45 GMT467_-

The national organization for Orthodox Day Schools is the Torah Umesorah based in NY. Contact them and they should have a list.



Torah, Umesorah...160 Broadway...New York, NY 10038-4201 Phone: (212)406-4190

Torah Umesorah Publications...5723 18th Ave...Brooklyn, NY 11204-1932 Phone: (718)259-1223





Any of the National religious organizations would also have a list. Organizations such as the RCA or NCSY/OU. [...] 3415 38 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table0_17_meirman@erols.com29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 03:03:06 GMT464_- mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) wrote:

>Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, >and regardless of how fast we fly thru the seder, dinner isn't going to >be on the table until close to 8. This is NOT going to be a fun evening >if they don't have something to munch on, but what should I put out on >the table that won't seem offensive? [...] 3454 36 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh0_17_meirman@erols.com29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 02:56:31 GMT371_- czeil@caprica.com wrote:

>I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of >Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). >Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to >Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there >know of one, or of anything close?? >TYIA, Rebecca [...] 3491 38 26_CTTS age 8: Who Knows One?9_Dana Lear21_d.lear@cchs.su.edu.au29_Sat, 13 Apr 1996 06:10:32 GMT319_us-ascii On the way home from the Sunday school seder, Max said, I know 'Who knows one'

One is for the one god, Two is for the two pills God gave Moses, Three is for the three Patriarchs, Four is for the four Martriarchs --

Me: the pills God gave Moses? ...Oh, the TABLETS with the Ten Commandments! [...] 3530 36 21_Moderator's lost mail18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:02:00 GMT796_US-ASCII Chevreah,

Due to a problem beyound my control my mail I just lost my mailbox. I know I had several piece of unmoderated mail in it. If you posted a piece to this group and I was the moderator, please Email me an extra copy of it.

Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------- enough from this mooncalf - Steven ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Ross Weintraub Office : 512-343-6666 | O Lord, PSW Technologies Home : 512-453-6953 | let me talk gently, nascent Web page : http://www.pswtech.com/~stevenw | for I might have to eat external Email : stevenw@pswtech.com | my words tomorrow. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] 3567 62 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)0_44_moshes%vms.huji.ac.il.DECNET@www4.huji.ac.il29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:48:00 GMT554_- Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B10 04/18/95 OpenVMS AXP; site news.huji.ac.il Path: vms.huji.ac.il!moshes Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish.parenting Subject: Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?) Message-ID: <1996Apr14.104829.1@vms.huji.ac.il> From: moshes@vms.huji.ac.il Date: 14 Apr 96 10:48:29 GMT References: <4in3gn$dh6@netsrv2.spss.com> <4itdn2$8bj@tlaltec.tezcat.com> <31691E41.72C3@spss.com> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: humming.huji.ac.il Lines: 48 [...] 3630 33 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh18_Bissell Tina Irene18_tbissell@umich.edu29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:39:07 GMT410_US-ASCII

On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 czeil@caprica.com wrote:

> I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of > Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). > Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to > Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there > know of one, or of anything close?? > TYIA, Rbecca [...] 3664 43 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 03:20:14 GMT364_- If you contact the Federation (UJF) or Board of Jewish Education in any major city, they can supply you with a complete list of all Jewish day schools and their affiliations. Toronto has such a list, Cleveland does, New York City does, etc.

Georganne Burke

In article <4kc58c$rt2@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu>, js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann) wrote: [...] 3708 71 29_Re: Snacks at the Seder Table0_44_moshes%vms.huji.ac.il.DECNET@www4.huji.ac.il29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 07:54:00 GMT907_- Relay-Version: ANU News - V6.1B10 04/18/95 OpenVMS AXP; site news.huji.ac.il Path: vms.huji.ac.il!moshes Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish.parenting Subject: Re: Snacks at the Seder Table Message-ID: <1996Apr14.105433.1@vms.huji.ac.il> From: moshes@vms.huji.ac.il Date: 14 Apr 96 10:54:33 GMT References: <4jkto6$b6n@chaos.dac.neu.edu> <4kbs6b$k37@life.ai.mit.edu> <316ACE16.D20@pop.erols.com> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: humming.huji.ac.il Lines: 37

In article <316ACE16.D20@pop.erols.com>, CARLTECH writes: > Robyn Kozierok wrote: >> >> In article <4jkto6$b6n@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, >> Marjorie Peskin wrote: >> >Due to circumstances beyond my control (really!) our first night seder >> >isn't going to start until at least 7 pm. My kids usually eat at 6ish, >> >and regardless of how [...] 3780 43 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools7_MRisman15_mrisman@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Apr 1996 01:02:46 GMT330_- I am reposting this since I think mine was one of the lost messages.

> My husband is looking for a job right now and we have three young children. > We would only consider places with an orthodox day school. Is there a list > (or lists from different affiliations) that is put out about which > cities have schools? [...] 3824 33 10_Anne/Chana14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:43:19 GMT255_us-ascii While Anne (or Anna) is derived from Chana, perhaps it is useful to mention that Chana was Samuel's mother, and a great lady. See the first chapter of the first book of Samuel for an inspiring story.

Kol tuv, Shabbat Shalom, Hadass

3858 37 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov29_Mon, 15 Apr 1996 17:23:18 GMT529_US-ASCII In article <31683285.A7C@caprica.com>, czeil@caprica.com wrote:

> I am in the process of adopting a child who comes with the name of > Anna. I will give her the middle name of Masha (f. of Moses I am told). > Just the same, I would love to hear that there is SOME reference to > Anne in the Tanakh. So far I have found none. Does any one out there > know of one, or of anything close?? > TYIA, Rebecca > Isn't Anne a westernization of Chana, the mother of Samuel (I Samuel 1), whose prayer of entreaty for a [...] 3896 58 22_Re: Anne in the Tanakh8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@macc.wisc.edu28_Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:37:49 GMT532_-

I'll be one of the many people who will tell you that Anne is the English equivalent of Hannah. She not only has an interesting story, but she has gotten "good press" from older Jewish sources and is credited, as I remember it, with devising the proper way to say prayers in a semi-audible murmur. (If people had been doing it that way before her, Eli would not have thought she was drunk.) She also, as I remember it -- and whenever I post I start doubting my memory to the point that I am now looking at that "Eli" [...] 3955 26 32_Re: Unusual marketing techniques13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 00:45:41 GMT389_us-ascii My grandmother used to take me to the store the day after Easter and Xmas to get all the chocolate bunnies and Santas half price.

Hey, chocolate is chocolate!

Louise



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 3982 37 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)18_Isabel D Silverman27_isilverm@umabnet.ab.umd.edu29_Mon, 15 Apr 1996 19:24:29 GMT521_US-ASCII > Ilene France wrote: > > > --We tried cleaned the high chair and tray very thoroughly, and poured > > boiling water over the tray. We tried to cover the tray with foil, but > > Isaac just pulled it right off, so we've given up on that. I'd feel > > better about the kashrut of the tray if it were covered, but it doesn't > > seem to work. > > Some manufacturers sell extra trays. Second to that, have you tried contact paper? I had a baby who loved peeling, but with the seams underneath, [...] 4020 36 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach10_Eric Simon22_erics@access.digex.net29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:30:08 GMT422_us-ascii I was delightfully suprised to find that our almost-3-yr-old accepting the 'restrictions' of Pesach very easily. When I told him that we couldn't have bread, or cookies, or cake, etc., he asked about lollipops. (He was happy about lollipops).

He seemed to take the news just as if I had told him "today is Saturday, there's no day care today", or "it gets dark at night," i.e., very matter-of-factly. [...] 4057 68 26_Re: music for 2 month old?18_William D. Ratnoff17_wratnof@emory.edu29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:06:34 GMT630_- William Ratnoff (wratnof@emory.edu)

Judi Sohn asks about Jewish lullabies for her 7-week-old infant. Our 3-year-old daughter listens to tapes when she's trying to fall asleep. Her favorite had been a tape of recently composed, modern Native-American flute music. When I found a tape of Jewish lullabies last December at Zany Brainy's in metro Atlanta, I almost didn't buy it, since I was purchasing several other Hanukkah tapes at the same time. But this tape had won a prestigious non-religious educational award, and I thought this was an opportunity for Anne to be exposed to her own heritage rather than someone [...] 4126 51 12_Seder Snacks0_16_dinitz@tibco.com29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:29:28 GMT478_- I know it's too late for this year's Seder, but next Pesach will be here before you know it (unless Mashiach comes first).

Our answer to the fifth question ("When do we eat?") is industrial strength karpas. Once we recite "borei pri ha-adamah," any food that matches this brachah is fair game. We put out several huge platters of carrots, celery, boiled potatoes, peppers, cucumbers, jicama, asparagus, golden beets (red beets are too messy for finger food), etc. [...] 4178 59 41_Re: So, What are your kids REALLY eating?11_Warren Levy15_warrenl@sco.COM29_Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:20:44 GMT426_- My kids did very well through Pesach; no severe complaints. I think it helped a lot that they were involved with the preparations, a *real* thorough cleaning & kashering of the house, putting away dishes, getting out pesach dishes/pots, food shopping, and the search for & burning of the chometz. These were very tangible activities that reinforced the significance of what was going to happen food-wise during Pesach. [...] 4238 43 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools7_MRisman15_mrisman@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:44:10 GMT477_- >My husband is looking for a job right now and we have three young children. >We would only consider places with an orthodox day school. Is there a list >(or lists from different affiliations) that is put out about which >cities have schools?

The book TRAVELING JEWISH IN AMERICA, edited by Ellen Chernofsky, contains lists of day schools in all communities in North America (as well as synagogues, restaurants, kosher food markets, mikvahs). It is published by: [...] 4282 29 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:13:43 GMT453_- In article <4kk92v$41g@xochi.tezcat.com>, Marion Baumgarten wrote: >Ilene France wrote: > >> >> >> --We tried cleaned the high chair and tray very thoroughly, and poured >> boiling water over the tray. We tried to cover the tray with foil, but >> Isaac just pulled it right off, so we've given up on that. I'd feel >> better about the kashrut of the tray if it were covered, but it doesn't >> seem to work. [...] 4312 36 41_Re: So, What are your kids REALLY eating?13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 00:44:38 GMT424_us-ascii My son (2.5yo) ate matza, yogurt, cottage and American cheese, eggs, fresh fruit, turkey, chicken, meatloaf, grape juice, and mineral oil to cure the inevitable.

He refused to eat the fruit colored toastie-ohs, although he poured a bowl 2 days in a row before giving up.

He ate that cooked matza cereal from Horowitz Margareten that seems to be really hard to find. My m-in-l brought it from NY. [...] 4349 45 41_Re: So, What are your kids REALLY eating?9_Enid Karr20_karr@msc.cornell.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:23:22 GMT361_- This was our first attempt at keeping 'sort-of-kosher' for Pesach (We were pretty good about it, but do not have a kosher kitchen so it is kind of moot). I was surprised at how well it went, really. Here's what was good:

1. Matzoh Pizza. The easy easy kind. Matzoh, spag sauce, cheese. Bake at 350 till melted. It even cuts with a pizza slicer!!! [...] 4395 45 36_Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com29_Mon, 15 Apr 1996 14:08:59 GMT487_US-ASCII (Moderator's Note -- The following post is not related to raising children in a Jewish context, but does answer a question posted on the list. For further food discussion, I suggest joining the Jewish-Food Mail List. Thank you.)

This is what Meir Frank says : > > But I do have a question for y'all. Didn't ou-p used to > mean parve, and now it means pesach. Didn't it used to say > kosher l-pesach and now it says ou-p. So how do we know if > p is parve or pesach. [...] 4441 26 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:18:32 GMT430_- One last suggestion on making a high chair tray kosher for pesach: cut out a piece of linolium to fit in the tray (I suppose you could even stick it down with double-stick tape). You then get to use it from year to year.

I just learned this from some friends (who also use the same trick on their countertops, something I'm definitely going to do next year instead of that )@(#$*#@@!# foil that tears in 3 days! :-) [...] 4468 41 27_Re: List of (O) Day Schools11_Harry Weiss18_hjweiss@netcom.com29_Wed, 17 Apr 1996 05:23:43 GMT295_- Jan Silbermann (js@cs.tulane.edu) wrote: : My husband is looking for a job right now and we have three young children. : We would only consider places with an orthodox day school. Is there a list : (or lists from different affiliations) that is put out about which : cities have schools? [...] 4510 49 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:25:22 GMT502_- In article <4klsu0$p5q@news3.digex.net>, Eric Simon wrote: >I was delightfully suprised to find that our almost-3-yr-old accepting the >'restrictions' of Pesach very easily. When I told him that we couldn't >have bread, >or cookies, or cake, etc., he asked about lollipops. (He was happy about >lollipops). > >He seemed to take the news just as if I had told him "today is Saturday, >there's no >day care today", or "it gets dark at night," i.e., very matter-of-factly. [...] 4560 50 41_Re: So, What are your kids REALLY eating?25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu29_Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:46:59 GMT509_- Shana ate very well during Pesach. Of the packaged products, the Honey Stars cereal (or, as she calls them, star crackers) went over very well, as did (as always) the potato pancake and regular pancake mixes. We don't usually have red meat in the house, so the salami and corned beef were also a real treat. I also managed to snag a pound of lox for something like $5.50, and matza, lox and cream cheese was one of the more popular breakfasts (and what I pretty much had for every single breakfast :-) [...] 4611 26 27_Creative bris ideas needed!13_Marilyn Naron19_QSPB10A@prodigy.com29_Wed, 17 Apr 1996 21:54:31 GMT347_- We are due with our first baby 5/23/96, and I'd like to begin planning some creative ideas for bris/baby naming. My instinct says boy, so I guess I'm focusing on the bris idea.

Can anyone share some creative text from their ceremonies, ideas to make it more personal, special readings or touches, etc? It's much appreciated. Thanks! [...] 4638 26 70_Re: Thanks for suggestions! (Was Re: Kashering baby stuff for Pesach?)7_MRisman15_mrisman@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:56:39 GMT460_- Here's yet another suggestion (too late for this year!) for covering highchairs (and counters) for Pesach if you don't like dealing with sticky contact paper. Freezer paper is pretty waterproof, and can be taped down with packing tape. My mother always used this. This year I intended to use contact paper, but I underestimated how much I would need and ran out, so I covered the highchair with the taped down freezer paper and it worked out just fine. [...] 4665 21 31_Children with non-jewish mother35_Stuart E. Rudner - The Wizard of Oz17_yu102377@yorku.ca29_Fri, 19 Apr 1996 06:12:05 GMT423_- Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to raise a child as jewish, including briss, bar/bat mitzvah, etc, when the mother is not jewish and does not convert? Can newborn or young children be converted?

Thanks.



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 4687 41 32_Re: Convincing Kids about Pesach18_Isabel D Silverman27_isilverm@umabnet.ab.umd.edu29_Fri, 19 Apr 1996 16:09:29 GMT472_US-ASCII On 15 Apr 1996, Eric Simon wrote:

> I was delightfully suprised to find that our almost-3-yr-old accepting the > 'restrictions' of Pesach very easily. When I told him that we couldn't have bread, > or cookies, or cake, etc., he asked about lollipops. (He was happy about > lollipops). > > He seemed to take the news just as if I had told him "today is Saturday, there's no > day care today", or "it gets dark at night," i.e., very matter-of-factly. > [...] 4729 33 62_Re: Help with Jewish bookshops in Toronto and Montreal and the15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Sun, 21 Apr 1996 03:06:12 GMT692_- In article , johnz@latcs1.cs.latrobe.edu.au (John Zeleznikow) wrote:

> > In June I will be in Toronto and Montreal. Can anyone suggest some excellent > Jewish bookshops (with primary but not the sole focus upon children's books > and videos).

The Jewish bookstores in Toronto all have large selections of children's books. The Negev Bookstore (3509 Bathurst Street, 781-9356), The Sforim Warehouse (2801 Bathurst Street (rear entrance) 789-1311), Israels (441 Clark Avenue, Thornhill, (905) 881-1010), Aleph Bet Judaica (3453 Bathurst Street, 781-2133) are the major ones. Have a wonderful trip and feel free to e-mail for more Toronto info. [...] 4763 22 41_High Chair Trays: Passover and year-round14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Thu, 18 Apr 1996 17:55:56 GMT379_- All this discussion about covering the high chair tray for Passover made me wonder what you all do about milk vs. meat on the high chair tray year-round?

--Robyn





* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent * authorities in those fields. 4786 44 35_Re: Children with non-jewish mother12_Arlene Rimer17_arimer@wimsey.com29_Sun, 21 Apr 1996 15:31:55 GMT617_us-ascii yu102377@yorku.ca (Stuart E. Rudner - The Wizard of Oz) wrote: >Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to raise a child as jewish, >including briss, bar/bat mitzvah, etc, when the mother is not jewish >and does not convert? Can newborn or young children be converted? > >Thanks.





Enrolling them in a private Jewish day school would help a lot, Then all the kids around them would also be Jewish. An Orthodox Rabbi will not convert the children unless the home will be Kosher. All Rabbis converting children require both parents to undertake in writing that they will raise the [...] 4831 75 35_Re: Children with non-jewish mother16_Stephen Z. Stein16_szs@ultranet.com29_Sun, 21 Apr 1996 22:51:32 GMT350_- In article <4l7eq3$t7k@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, yu102377@yorku.ca (Stuart E. Rudner - The Wizard of Oz) wrote:

> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to raise a child as jewish, > including briss, bar/bat mitzvah, etc, when the mother is not jewish > and does not convert? Can newborn or young children be converted? > > Thanks. > [...] 4907 38 18_Pesach dilemma (?)14_Sherri Shulman18_sherri@cse.ogi.edu29_Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:34:23 GMT539_- Among other things going on in my home this Passover, we had two houseguests: my mother and a friend of my daughter's. This friend (whose parents are also friends of mine) was staying with us for the bulk of the Passover break, and she was more than welcome.

The dilemma came when this little girl became very homesick for her parents (who were out of town) and sort of went on an eating strike. Now, I'd done a lot of work for Passover, was all stocked up, had lots of good tasting recipes planned, etc. But, in the face of [...] 4946 24 20_Seeking Summer Share8_RBOrbach16_rborbach@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Apr 1996 13:58:36 GMT410_- Loving dad (40 year old) and seven year old daughter (going into second grade) are looking to share a vacation house with other similar responsible, considerate couples or single parents with children. We appreciate being in a Jewish environment where all expressions of Jewishness are respected and tolerated. We will consider any location within 2 hours of Manhattan, seashore, mountains or lakeside. [...] 4971 44 35_Re: Children with non-jewish mother0_15_TAlpert@aol.com29_Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:21:25 GMT360_- >Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to raise a child as jewish, >including briss, bar/bat mitzvah, etc, when the mother is not jewish >and does not convert? Can newborn or young children be converted?

I see you've already gotten some answers, and this is a question that opens up all kinds of issues, so I won't try to tackle everything. [...] 5016 27 31_Re: Creative bris ideas needed!0_15_TAlpert@aol.com29_Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:21:06 GMT553_- There are some useful practical suggestions in Anita Diamant's *New Jewish Baby Book.* In addition, what we found very powerful for us was the following: We have boy-girl twins and a singleton boy. For the twins, we had a brit milah/brit habat ceremony at at home at 8 days (i.e., same ceremony for both, but obviously with the circumcision only for the boy). For the singleton, a brit milah at home. For each of the kids, one of the parents held the child and read a blessing we had prepared explaining the name and our prayers for the child to [...] 5044 27 4_ctts14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net29_Sat, 20 Apr 1996 18:11:10 GMT509_- This might be a bit off subject, but I'm posting it here rather than on misc.kids because I don't want to be flamed by the anti-circ people.

Tonight we were sitting at the table talking about things that start with the letter "b". We were at a brit yesterday, so when I said "Boy starts with b", Shira, my 4 year old, went a bit off track. She replied (in Hebrew) "They get their boolbools cut" ("boolbool" is Hebrew slang for penis"). Then she looked at me and asked "Does that start with b?". [...] 5072 72 35_Re: Children with non-jewish mother15_Debbie Tropiano15_debbie@icus.com29_Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:03:44 GMT646_-

Steve, Stuart & all -

In article , Stephen Z. Stein wrote: >In article <4l7eq3$t7k@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca>, yu102377@yorku.ca (Stuart >E. Rudner - The Wizard of Oz) wrote: > >> Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to raise a child as jewish, >> including briss, bar/bat mitzvah, etc, when the mother is not jewish >> and does not convert? Can newborn or young children be converted? >3. I don't know if an infant can be 'converted' at the time of bris. > (I'd really like to know!) It may be very important to your child [...] 5145 32 23_Shabbas without an eruv12_Ilene France14_ilene@spss.com29_Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:24:57 GMT518_us-ascii We are shomer shabbas, and live in a community without an eruv. Now that the days are longer, and Shabbas ends late, this is becoming a real problem for me. By the end of the day, my son and I are both bored and stir crazy. Our community is fairly small, and most people are older, so we are the only family in our shul with a young baby. This means that there are no other young families who share our predicament, or who we can invite to spend Shabbas with us. I am trying to invite people for Shabbas [...] 5178 286 58_Judaism Reading List: Books for Jewish Children (Pt. XIII)13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net26_23 Apr 1996 11:07:19 -0700449_- Archive-name: judaism/reading-lists/childrens Soc-culture-jewish-archive-name: reading.childrens Posting-Frequency: Monthly

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This message is intended to provide recommendations to the readers of soc.culture.jewish of books suitable for use by children. [...] 5465 48 22_Re: Pesach dilemma (?)8_Jane Fox18_JFOX@macc.wisc.edu29_Wed, 24 Apr 1996 14:13:20 GMT528_- In <4kijmv$pqo@reuter.cse.ogi.edu> sherri@cse.ogi.edu writes:

> > The dilemma came when this little girl became very homesick for her > parents (who were out of town) and sort of went on an eating strike. >. . . > eating-wise. And having 3 other children (my own) in the house, I found > it impossible to break Passover for our guest and keep it for my > children. So with many regrets for my own plans we switched gears after > 4 days. >. . . > 8. So now that it's all over, pretty much, could I have done this > [...] 5514 35 24_Junior Youth Group Ideas0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com29_Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:43:46 GMT427_-

I have just discovered that the Reform synagogue we will be joining next Fall, has a thriving youth group for grades 7 and up, but nothing for elementary age kids, grades 4-6. I have volunteered, along with another parent, to get one off the ground in the Fall, though I admit I don't have much experience in this area. Do any of you have some successful program ideas I can use? Any other resource suggestions. [...] 5550 39 27_Re: Shabbas without an eruv17_Sarah Y. Schwartz23_sgs@mini.skynet.att.com29_Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:20:05 GMT351_- In article <317E63E9.6B9D@spss.com>, Ilene France wrote: >We are shomer shabbas, and live in a community without an eruv. >for Shabbas lunch to break up the day, but I was wondering if anyone >else with small children and no eruv has any suggestions for how to make >Shabbas easier. My son is 10.5 months old. Thanks. > [...] 5590 39 31_Re: Creative bris ideas needed!12_Sophie Miron31_soph@typhoon-ether.berkeley.edu29_Tue, 23 Apr 1996 07:43:01 GMT430_US-ASCII

> Can anyone share some creative text from their ceremonies, ideas to make > it more personal, special readings or touches, etc? It's much appreciated. > Thanks!

A while ago I posted our Bris/Naming ceremony. Rather than bog this group down with it again (I know some people get this in digest form), anyone who wants it should email me a request at soph@ocf.berkeley.edu and I'll forward you a copy. [...] 5630 25 15_idea for quote?10_Stone Ruby17_stoneruby@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Apr 1996 06:30:11 GMT398_- The director of our Jewish nursery school is retiring after many years. We would like to present her with a work of art with a drawing, and Hebrew and English calligraphy (we have an artist in mind). Does anyone have an idea for a Hebrew phrase (from the Bible or elsewhere) around which the drawing would revolve, something which would incorporate children/teaching. Thanks for any advice! [...] 5656 48 27_Re: Shabbas without an eruv13_Sharon Matten16_kipah@tezcat.com29_Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:19:13 GMT544_- In article <317E63E9.6B9D@spss.com>, ilene@spss.com says... > >We are shomer shabbas, and live in a community without an eruv. Now >that the days are longer, and Shabbas ends late, this is becoming a real >problem for me. By the end of the day, my son and I are both bored and >stir crazy. Our community is fairly small, and most people are older, >so we are the only family in our shul with a young baby. This means >that there are no other young families who share our predicament, or who >we can invite to spend Shabbas with us. I am [...] 5705 33 45_Re: High Chair Trays: Passover and year-round12_Ilene France14_ilene@spss.com29_Wed, 24 Apr 1996 13:51:30 GMT362_us-ascii Robyn Kozierok wrote: > > All this discussion about covering the high chair tray for Passover made > me wonder what you all do about milk vs. meat on the high chair tray > year-round? > > --Robyn

I believe that it is considered ok to use the high chair tray for both milk and meat year-round, because you never put anything hot on the tray. [...] 5739 55 31_Children with non-jewish mother18_Steven R Weintraub19_stevenw@pswtech.com29_Mon, 22 Apr 1996 23:20:00 GMT496_US-ASCII This is what Stephen Z. Stein says : > > 3. I don't know if an infant can be 'converted' at the time of bris. > (I'd really like to know!) It may be very important to your child > that the issue of their Judaism is clear and unassailable, even to > the most orthodox. If you can find a certified orthodox Rabbi to > get you an opinion on this, by all means GET ONE and DOCUMENT the > child's Jewish credentials. It would have been a great comfort to > me. By the time it matters to [...] 5795 30 33_phrase to be used at baby naming?5_Kirie14_KirieA@uic.edu29_Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:26:20 GMT318_us-ascii Hi. I am hoping someone may be able to help me. I am not Jewish, but I will be attending a baby naming ceremony for a daughter of a very close friend--this is her first child. I would like to give the baby something very special with a meaningful inscription (perhaps a silver cup or something similar). [...] 5826 40 57_What do you do about non-Jewish videos and picture books?25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu29_Mon, 22 Apr 1996 22:15:00 GMT591_- The other day, 2 y 10 mo Shana was over at her good friend Hannah's house, and, as per usual, borrowed one of Hannah's videotapes. Her choice this time: Barney's "Waiting for Santa."

Now, this is actually No Big Deal from my standpoint (I'm more upset about having the purple one in my house :-), especially since she has seen far more Jewish videos, and since talk about Santa and the Easter Bunny et al in our household always gets accompanied by something along the lines of "This is a holiday for non-Jewish children, who don't get to celebrate Sukkot/Chanukah/Purim/etc." [...] 5867 50 27_Re: Shabbas without an eruv13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Fri, 26 Apr 1996 22:00:59 GMT432_us-ascii Oh boy can I relate to this one!

Find another family with a kid your kid's age, and have them spend Shabbat with you. You even get a few minutes break here and there if there is more than one adult in the house. I just have to be careful Friday night when my son is tired and won't share toys. Having the guest child bring "sharing toys" helps, and keeping your kids favorite toy exempt from sharing helps too. [...] 5918 62 9_Re: teens15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Sun, 28 Apr 1996 04:55:19 GMT565_- In article <4ldfm8$t8p@news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, rstern@usa.pipeline.com (Bob Stern) wrote:

> I recently discovered this newsgroup. I am the mother of two teenage > girls, ages 16 and 13. I am enjoying reading the posts because I remember > how it was when my girls were small, but I was wondering if there is a > forum for parents of older children. We are encountering some problems > since they are of an age where they are on their own a lot of the time. My > older girl has brought her own food to parties during Pesach, and actually > all the [...] 5981 24 15_Bar/bat mitzvah7_TEreads15_tereads@aol.com29_Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:43:07 GMT572_- As a cultural Jew with an observant-background husband and a daughter who is going to be bat mitzvahed this year, I find myself aghast at the amount of money being spent on what I always thought was a fairly low-key event (however, I'm from California-- things seem to be different here in New York). I am having a hard time deciding how to make my daughter's day meaningful, special and fun without turning it into a circus (or, more accurately, a mini-wedding). Is there anyone out there who has had a good experience with any kind of alternative celebrations? I [...] 6006 65 61_Re: What do you do about non-Jewish videos and picture books?11_Kris Hasson19_hasson@teleport.com29_Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:13:34 GMT651_- In article <4lh0d4$h4o@saba.info.ucla.edu>, pitesky@mira.astro.ucla.edu wrote: >The other day, 2 y 10 mo Shana was over at her good friend >Hannah's house, and, as per usual, borrowed one of Hannah's >videotapes. Her choice this time: Barney's "Waiting for >Santa." > [gobble] >I'm also wondering about the books issue. There are a lot of >picture books that I adore and regard as classics of >childhood that are about Christmas--the Grinch, "Polar >Express," the Christmas portions from the Little House >series, Tiny Tim. Do people buy/read this stuff as part >of a well-rounded multicultural diet (which is probably >what I'll do with Polar [...]