1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting December 1995 2 43 27_Re: Another naming question10_MichelleFG18_michellefg@aol.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:18:36 GMT640_- In article <49kt9c$3vg@news.dgsys.com>, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) writes:

>Our upcoming arrival will be named for my grandmother Mirel and my >great-aunt Rivka (another M-R combination!). We have names picked out for

>a girl, but we have to solve several problems if it's a boy. > >

Hi Robin,

We are also expecting our second child soon (in February). Our first, Maxwell Ross, is named for my husband's grandfather and my grandmother (Rose). We consulted our Rabbi who helped us decide on a Hebrew middle name that kept a similar sound to my grandmother's name and a meaning that had relevance to [...] 46 56 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools10_David Roth28_droth@copper.ucs.indiana.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:52:20 GMT605_- In article <49kqpc$6kl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Olga from the volga wrote:

Olga wrote:: >>>Usually middle class folk make too much money to be eligible for >>>scholarships, yet too little to afford the school.

To which B Peress replied: >>This is one of the reasons I believe that federations should increase >>their support of day schools - to broaden the base of scholarship >>beneficiaries. > >>In the meantime, middle class families who are truly committed to giving >>their children a Jewish education do manage to afford it by sacrificing in >>other areas. [...] 103 68 36_Re: YASP - Yet Another Santa Problem15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:03:45 GMT517_- Eric Simon (erics@access2.digex.net) wrote:

> I have a 2-1/2 year old (Joshua) who, as of this moment, has still never > heard of Santa. He has a cousins (who range in age from 1 to 8) who do > believe in Santa. .... > But my wife and I are very stressed and confused about what to tell > Josh about Santa. The point of all this is that *in addition to* > the "how to handle childhood myths" issue (which would belong in > misc.kids), we are in a situation where his cousins are non-Jews, > and we will [...] 172 38 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul12_Carol Conell16_conell@rahul.net28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:54:45 GMT321_- regularly attend services with them as part of a very small Reconstructionist shul. I too insist that my kids dress up in a traditional style-- i.e., skirt and blouse (vs t-shirt) or dress, which is super as far as my younger (2d grader) is concerned, less so! as far as my 6th grade middle schooler is concerned. [...] 211 35 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids0_15_csjo@netaxs.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:00:50 GMT597_-

My wife and I send our boys to a secular folkshul. We were both raised traditional/conservative and we know how to pray. But all that praying hasn't fulfilled our quest to know our Jewishness. Folkshul does! Knowing that our kids are learning about the huge social action component of Judaism (as taught by the prophets), and learning that the morality of the Bible stories are as relevant today as they were when they were recorded. Knowing that they are learning that to question the ritual and dogma is not wrong but healthy and important. Celebrating the Jewish uprising of the [...] 247 37 25_Re: December difficulties12_Dina Stander16_dina@crocker.com29_Sat, 18 Nov 1995 04:26:50 GMT455_- In article <48b785$cpe@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, laynemurph@aol.com (LayneMurph) wrote:

(snip)

>Sure, > many people have Christmas trees and not a passing thought >of the birth of Christ or his teachings. But, I couldn't bear to >see a kiddush cup used to hold spare change and if I expect my >children to respect the ritual objects of our own faith I also >have to teach them to respect the ritual objects of other >religions as well. [...] 285 42 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools16_Steven M. Scharf19_scharf@jedi.nsc.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 01:11:42 GMT593_- Olga from the Volga (olga1@netcom.com) wrote: : Usually middle class folk make too much money to be eligable for : scholarships, yet too little to afford the school.

Yes this is true. We were checking out the pre-schools, and the Jewish pre-school is about $800/month, while the top secular pre-school is about $600/month. The secular school has much better and safer facilities, while the Jewish school has a better teacher-student ratio (4-1 versus 6-1), and may offer more of the type of education we like (though for a two year old I'm not sure there is a lot of difference. [...] 328 19 76_Is giving children gifts on Chanukah just pacifying them for not having Xmas10_BrendaB00718_brendab007@aol.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 03:40:22 GMT446_- How do Conservative Jews feel about giving gifts on Chanukah. I was born jewish but just recently became involved with it since my boyfriend is. Are there good arguments in favor of and against giving gifts? I would be interested in hearing them. Please email me directly. Thank you

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 348 24 27_Re: Another naming question16_Richard M. Nixon15_dick@tricky.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:40:46 GMT519_- >4. Once we settle on the Hebrew names, I'll know which way to go for the >English. But if we get stuck hunting for M-names, we could use ideas. >Michael, Matthew, and Mark are already taken in our near family (and as for >the latter two, I'd prefer to avoid apostles :-) ). Most other M-names >we can think of, or have located in books and name lists, are hopelessly >out-of-date: Myron, Morris, Murray, Melvin, Marvin, Morton, Milton... >you get the idea. My husband, who was raised with an unconventional and [...] 373 100 20_Re: Killing Jesus...16_Mark Steinberger19_mark@csc.albany.edu29_Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:28:04 GMT493_- [ Moderators note: this post doesn't really have any Jewish parenting content, but it discusses issues that some may want to think about in regard to their parenting during the Christmas/Hannukah dilemma. Most of us (i.e. the moderators) agree that we don't want this newsgroup to turn into a moderated SCJ. However, we also don't want to stifle discussion. But, if the discussion goes too far afield from parenting issues it should perhaps migrate to email or to SCJ. Thanks - sherri] [...] 474 72 40_Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:04:56 GMT363_- My apologies to those readers seeking a Jewish oasis, but I would appreciate some input on a Chanukah/Christmas eve dilemna that is affecting my Jewish kids, who have Catholic grandparents.

We will be spending the 7th night of Chanukah with the Jewish grandparents. The next night is Christmas eve and we'll spend it with the Catholic grandparents. [...] 547 27 16_new Xmas problem0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 1995 03:15:00 GMT497_- This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa.

This is something I _never_ would have bought him. However, I'm afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with it? [...] 575 41 16_Chanukah Tzdekah15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Thu, 30 Nov 1995 04:41:07 GMT542_-

We save one night of Chanukah for Tzedakah. Last year we did two things: raided the kids Tzedakah box and halved the loot, then sent a check to the Boston Globe Santa, which delivers toys to needy children. They have specific Chanukkah lists, and WILL ABSOLUTELY, if requested, donate all your gift to Jewish kids. Then, we took the remaining money and went to Toys R Taking Over the World and bought many small gifts such as slinkys, marker sets, etc. and wrapped and delivered them to Jewish patients at Children's hospital. [...] 617 51 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:53:11 GMT597_- In article <199511302205.RAA05881@nic.iii.net>, Amy & Dane L Harwood wrote: >So, my question: what are the bounds of what you consider appropriate attire >for kids? Not babies, not teens, but the ones who outgrow those expensive >dress shoes and clothes at least monthly. Do you have special clothes for >temple? Do you just have a no-jeans rule, or the like? If I were in NY I >know he'd be in jacket and tie every time, but that doesn't seem to be the >norm around here. OTOH, I do feel he should be respectful, especially since >we're visiting temples to which [...] 669 41 13_Maccabi Games0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:12:35 GMT536_-



Judith from Texas wrote: >My 15 y.o. son is considering participating in the Maccabi >Games this summer. We ought to be hearing from our JCC by >the end of the year as to whether or not he will make the >team (many kids interested, only 30 slots to our little JCC >for these games in St. Louis this year). One of the >"requirements", aside from the fund-raising, is that attend >the games as an assistant or chaperone. Has anyone else's >kids participated in this event and, if so, did you attend the >games? [...] 711 53 36_Re: YASP - Yet Another Santa Problem18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:58:16 GMT337_-

Excerpts from mail: 29-Nov-95 YASP - Yet Another Santa Pr.. by Eric Simon@access2.digex > I'd like a Jewish perspective on this. Is letting a child believe > such things violative of Jewish norms? (And, if so, what are the > grounds?

Yes. it is not appropriate to the the Rabbi's but we each do what we have to do. [...] 765 33 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:03:28 GMT572_-

Excerpts from mail: 30-Nov-95 Appropriate attire for chil.. by Amy & Dane L Harwood@har > So, my question: what are the bounds of what you consider appropriate attire > for kids?

Amy,

I feel that children shoud dress respectfully. That means no everyday or ripped jeans but nice ones are okay. No t-shirts, or junky sneakers. Nice gymboree outfits are okay. SHorts and nice shirts are okay in the summer. I but some nice clothes at second hand places. My son likes to wear ties. I live in Pittsburgh and grew up in NYC so I know how you feel. [...] 799 51 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul14_Rick Goldstein23_hfg@scylla.colorado.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:36:14 GMT635_- >>>>> "AH" == Amy & Dane L Harwood writes: In article <199511302205.RAA05881@nic.iii.net> amydane@harwood.iii.net (Amy & Dane L Harwood) writes:

[She's shopping for shuls in MA and wondering what the limits are on attire for growing kids.]

One data point from the exceedingly informal Western hinterlands:

Our synagogue here in Boulder (egal Conservative) is fairly small and very relaxed. I have been told that the Ritual Committee had a debate on the dress code issue. The only rule they came up with was that baseball caps are inappropriate headgear during services. That's it. [...] 851 52 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:01:02 GMT627_- In article , Irene Bleiweiss wrote: [snip] > >About 5 years ago, when Christmas eve fell on one of the earlier days of >Chanukah, we brought a menorah to the grandparents' house (with their >permission), along with a Chanukah story book and dreidels, and >celebrated at sundown, hoping to share our tradition with the Christian >relatives. This didn't work out well, as everyone kept saying "Can't we >finish this up, so we can get on to the Christmas celebration." > >The Dilemna: I think its important for the kids to see their cousins and >grandparents, and to understand the [...] 904 35 20_Re: new Xmas problem25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:51:41 GMT598_- In article <199511300316.WAA00781@dam.charlesview.com>, wrote: >This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday >party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained >a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa. > >This is something I _never_ would have bought him. However, I'm >afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We >don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give >up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run >into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with it? [...] 940 35 29_More on Blessing the Children16_David Glicksberg27_davidg@delilah.jpl.nasa.gov28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:57:50 GMT372_- Both my children (Jonathan, 7 and Miriam, 5) enjoy being blessed Friday nights, but Miriam hates always being last, and makes a big fuss. I prefer the (to my knowledge) traditional ordering of eldest to youngest; my wife Toni prefers alternating who gets blessed first, every other week (if we can remember!), for the sake of shalom bayit (a harmonious household). [...] 976 45 24_Hanukkah lyrics question5_mink!12_mink@tcp.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:57:01 GMT344_-



Hello. First, I would like to say that I've greatly enjoyed reading this forum. Thanks to all those who put forth such time and effort. I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young children might know the full words. It is as follows: [...] 1022 45 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question0_14_GMAN94@aol.com28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 14:36:08 GMT532_-

Maiko said: I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young children might know the full words. It is as follows:

Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) (another line here that has the same tune as the last) And while we are playing, The candles are burning low, One for each night they shed a sweet light To remind [...] 1068 40 20_Naming across Gender0_14_dinitz@tss.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:33:08 GMT452_- Robin Netherton wrote: > Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's > reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this > choice? Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

Two of my names derive from women: Shmuel Reuven Eliyahu (Richard Elliot) after my father's mother's mother, Reiza, and my mother's father's mother, Eva. It has never presented any problems for me as a boy, nor as man. [...] 1109 23 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul0_18_ramras@digital.net28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 04:26:39 GMT466_- We live on the Space Coast of Florida (60 miles east of Orlando), and the attire in our conservative shul run the whole spectrum of formality. The older memebrs of the congregation (in their 60's) generally wear suits, but younger adults are OK with open collars. If it's real hot out, walking shorts are OK as well. Our kids wear what they would to school--our 8 year old daughter likes to dress up, but out 7 year old son is a borderline slob like his dad. [...] 1133 81 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws11_Alan Houser15_troop24@emf.net28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 03:46:20 GMT605_- Irene Bleiweiss (IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov) wrote: : [snip]

: We will be spending the 7th night of Chanukah with the Jewish : grandparents. The next night is Christmas eve and we'll spend it with : the Catholic grandparents.

: We have always visited the Catholic grandparents at Christmas : (presenting it as helping them to celebrate their holiday). In their family : tradition Christmas eve is the very important time, so visiting Christmas : day instead is not an option. They have a large Christmas Eve gathering : that starts around 4 in the afternoon and continues to about 11 p.m. This [...] 1215 63 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws3_Kar22_kmcgsf@q.continuum.net28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:07:09 GMT596_- >We have always visited the Catholic grandparents at Christmas >(presenting it as helping them to celebrate their holiday). In their family >tradition Christmas eve is the very important time, so visiting Christmas >day instead is not an option. They have a large Christmas Eve gathering >that starts around 4 in the afternoon and continues to about 11 p.m. This >year with the last night of Chanukah falling on Christmas Eve, our >situtation is a bit more complicated. > >The Catholic grandparents are a 7 hour drive away, which means that >we'll be staying in a hotel for the last night [...] 1279 47 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 04:08:16 GMT585_-

: >In the meantime, middle class families who are truly committed to giving : >their children a Jewish education do manage to afford it by sacrificing in : >other areas.

: Like what? Food? Rent? Mortgage?



Well, I'm considered a middle class wage earner (but I do think we have to rethink our class lines in the U.S.) by anyone's standards, and I do send my kids to a Jewish preschool, and will be sending them to the corresponding day school. And I do get substantial financial help from the CJP federation of Boston. However, I have to agree with [...] 1327 67 47_We are the Memory Makers for our children (fwd)11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:07:38 GMT513_US-ASCII

To all those raising children -- stop for a moment. Think about what your earliest Jewish childhood memory is.

At this point, most people think about a mother or grandmother cooking and/or preparing for a holiday, or a holiday-food smell.

Now think about the fact that *WE* are our children's memory makers. Who knows what little things we might be doing now that will be lodged in our children's mind, long after we are gone, that will kindle long-ago fond memories for them. [...] 1395 30 24_Hanukkah lyrics question0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 16:24:00 GMT422_- The song sheet from a tape I have says (changes in CAPS): Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora GATHER ROUND THE TABLE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A TREAT Shining tops [OR DREIDLS] to play with and latkes to eat And while we are playing, The candles are burning low, One for each night they shed a sweet light To remind us of days long ago, To remind us of days long ago. [...] 1426 42 29_Another naming question (fwd)11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:19:17 GMT353_US-ASCII

1. What Hebrew names should we use? I would be interested in either phonetic parallels or Hebrew names whose meanings are equivalent to Mirel and Rivka. Or perhaps there is yet another approach for naming a child for a person of the opposite sex? I would be interested especially in hearing how other parents have approached this. [...] 1469 38 21_Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 03:47:45 GMT575_- On Nov 30, 1995 14:10:58 in article , > >How about the old standby of a pair of tefillin? Would you believe a siddur or >Tehillim?

Wouldn't they already have tefillin in preparation for Bar Mitzvah?

The problem with "lifetime" books for kids is that they are not likely to take them with them when they leave for college (at least my oldest son, now 23, didn't) and the contemporary books will be out of date by the time he settles down and sends for them. However, we've been enjoying his Bar Mitzvah books very much--and they've [...] 1508 70 80_Re: Is giving children gifts on Chanukah just pacifying them for not having Xmas15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:27:25 GMT339_- BrendaB007 (brendab007@aol.com) wrote: : How do Conservative Jews feel about giving gifts on Chanukah. I was born : jewish but just recently became involved with it since my boyfriend is. : Are there good arguments in favor of and against giving gifts? I would be : interested in hearing them. Please email me directly. : Thank you [...] 1579 43 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws10_David Roth28_droth@copper.ucs.indiana.edu28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:51:51 GMT654_- In article <49o2l3$gft@news.continuum.net>, Kar wrote: [posting Kar is responding to deleted] >Why not just celebrate Hanukah for the first seven nights and then help your >Christian family members celebrate Christmas on the eighth night? Since >Hanukah so frequently overlaps with Christmas Eve or Day, maybe you will just >have to get used to sometimes not being able to celebrate every single night >if you want to be fair to your Christian family and promote family >togetherness during both sets of holidays. Fortunately, there are eight >nights of Hanukah and only one Christmas Eve, so missing one night should not [...] 1623 61 20_Re: new Xmas problem15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:09:17 GMT313_- Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote: : This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday : party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained : a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa.

: Have other parents run : into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with it? [...] 1685 22 23_Another naming question0_18_inesw@utdallas.edu28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:58:44 GMT396_- I have found that it was easier for me to give my two children the original Hebre names of my maternal grandparents without any English names. In this way, they are not very likely to forget their Hebrew names, as it is too often the case, and they can carry on the memory of my grandparents without additional modifications. I also believe that the names Malka and Reuven are quite nice. [...] 1708 32 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws18_Bissell Tina Irene18_tbissell@umich.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:01:01 GMT472_US-ASCII

Would a reminer that Jesus, whose birth your relatives are celebrating, was Jewish and would have celebrated Hanukkah in much the same manner that we do today (minus the gifts probably) help?

You have my sympathies. We are actually staying home this year and the last few years have not presented this conflict for us while visiting my own in-laws but it is sure to come up sometime so I look forward to hearing what other people have to say. [...] 1741 39 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 620_17_David2505@aol.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 03:28:43 GMT578_-

In a message dated 95-12-02 00:40:28 EST, Meredith_Warshaw writes:

>This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday >party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained >a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa. > >This is something I _never_ would have bought him. However, I'm >afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We >don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give >up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run >into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with [...] 1781 34 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools8_B Peress15_bperess@aol.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:06:41 GMT590_- I wrote previously: >(snip)... middle class families who are truly committed to giving >their children a Jewish education do manage to afford it by sacrificing in >other areas.

Olga from the Volga replied: >Like what? Food? Rent? Mortgage?

No, that is not what I meant. Middle class families certainly have some luxuries: perhaps a new car, nice clothing, travel, entertainmment, hobbies, new furniture, or electronic equipment (and so on). These are the things which should come second after making sure to give your children the "gift of life" of a Jewish education. [...] 1816 85 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 04:35:50 GMT632_- In article Irene Bleiweiss writes: >We have always visited the Catholic grandparents at Christmas >(presenting it as helping them to celebrate their holiday). In their family >tradition Christmas eve is the very important time, so visiting Christmas >day instead is not an option. [...] >The Catholic grandparents are a 7 hour drive away, [...] >About 5 years ago [when we lit the menorah] everyone kept saying "Can't we >finish this up, so we can get on to the Christmas celebration." >[...] The option >that they would probably suggest if we asked is that we light the >menorah at [...] 1902 51 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:58:37 GMT293_- Amy & Dane L Harwood (amydane@harwood.iii.net) wrote: > more leeway in what kids should wear. But I did notice one boy about Alex's > age one Shabbat wearing jeans and a *baseball cap*. I really felt this was > disrespectful, and the people behind me were talking about the same thing! [...] 1954 24 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws11_Seth Grimes23_grimes@access.digex.net28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:03:49 GMT344_- I'm a bit mystified. Lighting even eight candles and saying two brachot (or one candle and three brachot on the first night) in English and Hebrew, even with a round of Rock of Ages (in English so everyone can join in), would take barely ten minutes. Put off the dreidels and stories for other nights than those you spend with non-Jews. [...] 1979 48 27_Re: Another naming question10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:51:55 GMT571_- > >Hi Robin, > >We are also expecting our second child soon (in February). Our first, >Maxwell Ross, is named for my husband's grandfather and my grandmother >(Rose). We consulted our Rabbi who helped us decide on a Hebrew middle >name that kept a similar sound to my grandmother's name and a meaning that >had relevance to her personality and spirit. As for "M" names in >English, we are obviously partial to MAX and have been pleasantly >surprised that it is less old fashioned than we thought. > >How about some suggestions on names for our next child? We know [...] 2028 29 10_G-dparents5_Diane20_sgoldin@adnetsol.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 04:51:49 GMT473_- I just discovered this list and I have a question that I hope one of you can answer: Do Jews follow a tradition (either religious or cultural) of asking others to be the G-dparents of their child/children? Neither my husband or I had ever heard of Jewish families doing this until we recently we met a couple who had. Exactly what does Jewish law say in this regard? What are the responsibilities, formal or otherwise, of the individual(s) chosen to fill this role. [...] 2058 26 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids0_14_GMAN94@aol.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:54:04 GMT423_-

csjo said: My wife and I send our boys to a secular folkshul. We were both raised traditional/conservative and we know how to pray. But all that praying hasn't fulfilled our quest to know our Jewishness. Folkshul does!

I am very curious about the folkshul. What exactly is a foldshul? Is it like a chvurah, i.e a group without a rabbi? or is this a more organized shul with a spiritual leader? -Larry [...] 2085 48 25_Re: Words to Chanuka song0_17_Carenmarc@aol.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:21:37 GMT532_-

Maiko said: I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young children might know the full words. It is as follows:

Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) (another line here that has the same tune as the last) And while we are playing, The candles are burning low, One for each night they shed a sweet light To remind [...] 2134 34 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:30:36 GMT279_- > Maiko said: > I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not > know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young > children might know the full words. It is as follows:

Your missing line is the third, not the fourth, as follows: [...] 2169 30 25_Re: Early Pesach question5_LSCHP13_lschp@aol.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:43:58 GMT563_- Regarding serving soy formula to babies on Pesach...sorry if this has already been answered by someone else..I'm a newbie to this newsgroup...

This question first came up for me almost four years ago when my daughter was drinking soy formula at Pesach time. Soy is kitnyos, not chometz. So, you can own it, just not eat, drink, consume it. That is if you are of age. You could give it your child or your your pet. You should make sure to keep all the kelim (utensils, bottles, nipples, etc) separate from your stuff. I would think this would be the [...] 2200 33 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul7_SUBMAIL18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 15:17:39 GMT590_- In <199511302205.RAA05881@nic.iii.net> amydane@harwood.iii.net writes:

> > So, my question: what are the bounds of what you consider appropriate attire > for kids? Not babies, not teens, but the ones who outgrow those expensive > dress shoes and clothes at least monthly. Do you have special clothes for They go on outgrowing shoes quickly in their teens :-) Seriously I think one of the reasons our sons accepted going to shul regularly was that they did not have to wear dress shoes. They each got a pair for Bar Mitzva, and ten years later one son would still tell you how [...] 2234 44 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:51:28 GMT375_- amydane@harwood.iii.net (Amy & Dane L Harwood) writes: > I come from NY, where everyone really dresses up for Temple (for everything, > actually). Now I'm shopping for temples in MA, and am at a bit of a loss as > to what is appropriate for my 6y to wear to services. > [snip] > So, my question: what are the bounds of what you consider appropriate attire > for kids? [...] 2279 24 20_Naming of baby girls16_Alphons Fraenkel21_a1929@tribeca.ios.com29_Fri, 24 Nov 1995 23:03:11 GMT321_US-ASCII [This post has been edited by Nina Salkin with the author's permission]

I would like to know what the rituals or procedures are for the naming of a girl when the husband is not Jewish. Has anyone experienced or witnessed such a synagogue ceremony? I would be interested in finding out what was done. [...] 2304 39 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 18:23:07 GMT570_-

Excerpts from mail: 29-Nov-95 Chanukah on Christmas Eve a.. by Irene Bleiweiss@fcc.gov > This > year with the last night of Chanukah falling on Christmas Eve, our > situtation is a bit more complicated.

Irene,

Our family is in the same situation. We have always gone to my husband mom on thanksgiving and this year we are going st winter break. SHe has always been happy to celebrate chanukah with us but it has never fallen on xmas eve before. There big party is xmas eve. I haven't spoken to my husband about this but I plann on doing the [...] 2344 32 20_Re: new Xmas problem18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 18:27:10 GMT362_-

Excerpts from mail: 30-Nov-95 new Xmas problem by Meredith_Warshaw@charles > However, I'm > afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We > don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give > up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run > into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with it? [...] 2377 39 39_What children *should* wear to services17_MS SHELLEY P NORD19_TYDR82A@prodigy.com28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 19:50:02 GMT262_- -- [ From: Shelley Parish Nord * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

I am fortunate in that my daughter (age 7) still likes to dress up and will change into a dress, tights and party shoes to go to services. We also manage to get her to wash up and comb her hair. [...] 2417 70 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question0_18_ramras@digital.net28_Sun, 3 Dec 1995 04:19:49 GMT526_-



> > Hello. First, I would like to say that I've greatly enjoyed > reading this forum. Thanks to all those who put forth such time and > effort.

This is my first time responding to the forum (or any newsgroup) as well.

> I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not > know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young > children might know the full words. It is as follows: > > Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah > Let's have a party, We'll [...] 2488 39 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul16_Richard M. Nixon15_dick@tricky.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:47:19 GMT582_- In article <199511302205.RAA05881@nic.iii.net> amydane@harwood.iii.net (Amy & Dane L Harwood) writes: >I come from NY, where everyone really dresses up for Temple (for >everything, actually). Now I'm shopping for temples in MA, and >am at a bit of a loss as to what is appropriate for my 6y to wear >to services. For the holidays, I was mortified that he had to >wear his black sneakers when his dress shoes suddenly didn't fit. >I assume others have this problem, and so there is more leeway in >what kids should wear. But I did notice one boy about Alex's age >one Shabbat [...] 2528 41 20_Re: new Xmas problem12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:41:51 GMT549_- Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote: > This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday > party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained > a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa.

> This is something I _never_ would have bought him. However, I'm > afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We > don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give > up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run > into this kind of problem? How have you dealth with [...] 2570 79 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:49:50 GMT414_- B Peress (bperess@aol.com) wrote: > I wrote previously: > >(snip)... middle class families who are truly committed to giving > >their children a Jewish education do manage to afford it by sacrificing > in > >other areas.

> Olga from the Volga replied: > >Like what? Food? Rent? Mortgage?

> No, that is not what I meant. Middle class families certainly have some > luxuries: perhaps a new car, [...] 2650 41 21_Words to Chanuka song18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:40:20 GMT375_US-ASCII Maiko said: > I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not > know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young > children might know the full words. It is as follows: > > Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah > Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora > Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) [...] 2692 46 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids0_18_lisac@East.Sun.COM28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:18:53 GMT350_- In article AA817592003@ccgate1.gsa.gov, Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov writes: > > > I believe Judaism is the superior system for producing the types of > individuals that I want my children to be. I am referring to the > chased that is the root of true Jewish practice and beliefs, not > simply a perpetuation of ritual practice. I do not believe our [...] 2739 52 20_Re: new Xmas problem15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:45:41 GMT585_- On Dec 01, 1995 12:00:14 in article , 'Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com' wrote:

>This afternoon, my 4 1/2 year old son attended a friend's birthday >party. When I picked him up, I found that his "goody bag" contained >a Pez dispenser shaped like Santa. > >This is something I _never_ would have bought him. However, I'm >afraid that if I take it away from him it will not come across as "We >don't celebrate Xmas", but as "Being Jewish means I have to give >up presents and Mommy being mean". Have other parents run >into this kind of problem? How have [...] 2792 47 21_Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts14_Edward Letzter24_letzter@fourier.tamu.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:05:28 GMT406_- An idea my wife came up with, for cousins and children of friends, was to buy gift certificates towards the purchase of Jewish books. (We bought these certificates from 1-800-Judaism, which has an extremely wide selection, but I don't want to endorse any one particular store.) This gives the bar or bat mitzvah some choice, while endorsing the general message of continuing one's Jewish education. [...] 2840 36 25_Re: Superhero of the Jews15_Brian Kushniruk17_briank@wimsey.com28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 07:00:03 GMT350_- In article <49io4r$gfm@uucp.intac.com>, dweiss@dataprobe.com (David Weiss) wrote:

> > > I just wanted to share an amusing thing that happened around Holloween. > > My 3 year old was asked what he wanted to be this year. > > He proudly stuck his chest out and fist into the air and shouted... > > > Moses....Superhero of the Jews !! > > [...] 2877 38 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:46:07 GMT294_- > I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not >know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young >children might know the full words. It is as follows: > > Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah



The version I know goes: [...] 2916 76 80_Re: Is giving children gifts on Chanukah just pacifying them for not having Xmas15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:45:56 GMT393_- On Nov 30, 1995 19:40:22 in article , 'brendab007@aol.com (BrendaB007)' wrote:

>How do Conservative Jews feel about giving gifts on Chanukah. I was born >jewish but just recently became involved with it since my boyfriend is. >Are there good arguments in favor of and against giving gifts? I would be [...] 2993 41 44_Re: Chanukah on Christmas Eve at the in-laws10_Serge Adam17_sadam@pathcom.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:15:35 GMT633_- In article , Irene Bleiweiss wrote:

>day instead is not an option. They have a large Christmas Eve gathering >that starts around 4 in the afternoon and continues to about 11 p.m. This >year with the last night of Chanukah falling on Christmas Eve, our >situtation is a bit more complicated. > ...Deletia... > >About 5 years ago, when Christmas eve fell on one of the earlier days of >Chanukah, we brought a menorah to the grandparents' house (with their >permission), along with a Chanukah story book and dreidels, and >celebrated at sundown, hoping to share our tradition with [...] 3035 37 27_Re: Another naming question0_16_ValLipow@aol.com28_Sat, 2 Dec 1995 19:53:17 GMT610_-

In a message dated 95-11-30 13:19:55 EST, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) writes (snip):

>3. Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's >reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? >Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

We named our son Ethan Eric in honor of the memories of my greatgrandmother Emma and my husband's uncle (via marriage) Eugene. His Hebrew name is Etan Yisroel. Ethan is not yet two, so we've had no reaction yet from him, but my grandfather (Emma's son) was extremely touched that I would honor [...] 3073 41 9_Santa Pez15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:08:22 GMT546_- [ moderator (srw) - I have divided these five articles from one large article to preserve the topic headngs ]

About the Santa Pez, we make it clear to the kids that we have a Jewish home, and that some things are not appropriate to bring into a Jewish home. We've asked Christian relatives not to buy things like this for our kids and that the kids won't be able to take them home. If they get Christmas stuff nevertheless, they can play with these things at the Christian relative's house, and we ask the relative to pack the gift [...] 3115 42 21_Baby naming for girls15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:16:34 GMT596_- Alphons Fraenkel asked about traditions for naming baby girls in synagogue when the father is not Jewish.

When my daughter (also with a non-Jewish father) was born we didn't look into naming her in a synagogue because I perceived (rightly or wrongly?) that my husband would not be welcomed to participate in a meaningful way in a synagogue naming. I also had been to several synagogue namings and ( at least at those Virginia synagogues) the naming were much briefer than I wanted for my daughter and there would not be time to incorporate rememberences of the grandmother for whom [...] 3158 28 17_Chanukah Tsedekah15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:08:22 GMT570_- [ moderator (srw) - I have divided these five articles from one large article to preserve the topic headngs ]

In response to Marjories'? question of Chanukah Tsedekah, I think your Chanukah traditions sound beautiful. If the Children's hospital doesn't work out, might a shelter for women and their kids be an appropriate recipient? Perhaps one that is sponsored by a local synagogue? In my opinion the children receiving the gifts wouldn't need to be Jewish or celebrate Chanukah, for this to be a wonderful gesture and one with meaning to your children. [...] 3187 40 17_The Santa Problem15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:08:22 GMT578_- [ moderator (srw) - I have divided these five articles from one large article to preserve the topic headngs ]

In response to the questions about how to explain Santa to a Jewish child attending a family celebration with Christian cousins who believe in Santa, this has been our way of coping with something similar. We are rasing our children Jewish, but my husband has a large Catholic family. My husband's brother dresses up as Santa every year and my husband's family makes a big to do over this. We've presented it to our older child matter of factly, without [...] 3228 41 9_Santa Pez15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:08:22 GMT546_- [ moderator (srw) - I have divided these five articles from one large article to preserve the topic headngs ]

About the Santa Pez, we make it clear to the kids that we have a Jewish home, and that some things are not appropriate to bring into a Jewish home. We've asked Christian relatives not to buy things like this for our kids and that the kids won't be able to take them home. If they get Christmas stuff nevertheless, they can play with these things at the Christian relative's house, and we ask the relative to pack the gift [...] 3270 34 11_Baby Naming15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:08:22 GMT582_- [ moderator (srw) - I have divided these five articles from one large article to preserve the topic headngs ]

I don't think that the baby's gender should prevent you from honoring someone who you want to remember. In fact, we named our son after his non-Jewish great grandmother. There was no Hebrew woman's name for which to search for masculine Hebrew equivalents. We used a Hebrew male first name that had a roughly similar meaning as his great grandmother's Latin name. Thus, Avner for Clara. For his middle name, we chose an English name that started with "C" to [...] 3305 35 25_Re: Baby naming for girls16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:55:28 GMT293_- On Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:16:34 -0800, Irene Bleiweiss said:

> whom my daughter was named. So using a wonderful book (I think the > author is Anita Diamonte?) as a guide we set out to write our own > ceremony and held it in our back yard when she was 6 weeks old. [...] 3341 47 22_Re: Jewish Day Schools13_Paul G. Weiss18_pgweiss@netcom.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:24:16 GMT353_- Linda Hoffman (hoffmanl@neb.com) wrote: : Hello!

: My family's Reform temple provides religious instruction to children age : five and up once a week and in addition, Hebrew instruction for third : graders and up once a week. These classes are the favorite part of my 9 : year old son's education. He always wishes he could go more often. [...] 3389 43 11_Baby Naming17_MS SHELLEY P NORD19_TYDR82A@prodigy.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:48:19 GMT572_- We wanted to name our daughter after my grandmother Fannie (Faiga bas Yosef) and my husband's grandfather Sol.

Our solution was to name her Faiga Simchah in Hebrew/Yiddish and to called her Fraylie (from the Yiddish "Frailach" meaning "joyful") Samantha.

She knows her Hebrew name quite well (she is 7 now) from use at Hebrew School as well as its imprint on her custom-made kippah. She is very proud to be named for great-grandma Fannie but at some times expresses the idea that she would prefer to have a "more normal" name like Susan or something. [...] 3433 16 4_xmas10_Foxhollow218_foxhollow2@aol.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:15:22 GMT280_- My child is having a problem with her teacher playing Xmas music all day. Is their anything I can do? Thanks. Laurie

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 3450 51 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question13_David Rudolph15_rudolph@hri.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:05:14 GMT441_- mink! (mink@tcp.com) wrote:





: Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah : Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora : Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) : (another line here that has the same tune as the last) : And while we are playing, : The candles are burning low, : One for each night they shed a sweet light : To remind us of days long ago, : To remind us of days long ago. [...] 3502 56 20_Re: Chanukah Tzdekah11_dana siegel21_dana.siegel@zhora.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:03:40 GMT603_- In article <49jcl3$mv2@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) wrote:

Snip > > Anyhow, since this is my kids money (although Tzedakah comes directly > from my wallet) I feel strongly that they should distribute gifts to > actually experience giving first hand. But I can't think of anything off > hand to do, and thought I would ask for examples of how your kids do > Tzedakah for Chanukkah. > > We're talking about ~$50 in gifts after we donate to the Boston Globe. > I always look forward to Chanukah because it offers so many occasions to bring tzedakah into the [...] 3559 56 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:25:12 GMT482_- naomi pardue (npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote: : Some Jewish families don't live in luxury, and need only to sacrifice a : bit of luxury to afford $1000 a year in tuition. : Some Jewish families would have to give up basic living (and I DON"T : mean selling out 3,000 square foot home in the burbs and switching to a : 2,000 square foot one!) to afford tuition. (And then too...some of us : live in communities where there isn't a dayschool, so the issue is academic.) [...] 3616 34 24_Re: Naming of baby girls10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:17:13 GMT367_- Alphons Fraenkel (a1929@tribeca.ios.com) wrote: : [This post has been edited by Nina Salkin with the author's permission] : : I would like to know what the rituals or procedures are for the naming of a : girl when the husband is not Jewish. Has anyone experienced or witnessed : such a synagogue ceremony? I would be interested in finding out what was : done. [...] 3651 41 14_Re: G-dparents15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:49:57 GMT417_- Diane:

During the bris milah ceremony, the sondik and the kfater take on responsibility for the boy. Indeed they become his g-dparents. There is nothing preventing this special relationship for girls as far as I know. However, there is no formal ceremony or appointment for a girl.

Georganne Burke



In article <49tsm2$6lq@adnetsol.adnetsol.com>, sgoldin@adnetsol.com (Diane) wrote: [...] 3693 26 27_Re: Another naming question11_Alan Houser15_troop24@emf.net28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:20:48 GMT401_- I. Pour-El (pourel@iastate.edu) wrote: : why focus on the first letter? You could, for example use Chuck to keep the : ...chak". (Thats a joke, but you get the idea).

We did exactly that with our first born. We wanted to name him after my father, Harry, but could not find any "H" names that we liked. Instead, we took the end of his name, with a name that we really, really liked: Ari. [...] 3720 27 15_Re: Shul attire15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:53:07 GMT303_- We should keep in mind, as we dress for chul, that we are coming before a King, *the* King of Kings. Would we go to see a king in our shorts and tee shirts? Would we visit Queen Elizabeth dressed like that? I doubt it. Therefore so much moreso we should take special care in our attire for shul. [...] 3748 34 27_Re: Another naming question15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:57:04 GMT617_- All of my children have Hebrew names which correspond in English to their Hebrew names:

Sarah, Devorah, Aaron, David, Rachel and Benjamin. Beautiful names, aren't they? Sort of like LL Bean shirts - they never go out of style!

Georganne Burke



In article <49t324$fdb@utdallas.edu>, inesw@utdallas.edu wrote:

> I have found that it was easier for me to give my two children the > original Hebre names of my maternal grandparents without any English > names. In this way, they are not very likely to forget their Hebrew > names, as it is too often the case, and they can carry [...] 3783 31 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question0_18_MichelleFG@aol.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:43:07 GMT375_- << Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) (another line here that has the same tune as the last) And while we are playing, The candles are burning low, One for each night they shed a sweet light To remind us of days long ago, To remind us of days long ago. [...] 3815 44 36_Alternatives to typical Bar Mitzvah?11_Arieh Cimet22_cimet@platov16.mot.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:03:29 GMT520_- My son is 10.5 years old and we have recently started to think about Bar Mitzvah plans. We are in a unique situation because we have no family in the U.S. (most of it is in Mexico and some in Israel).

We would like to do something that our family will enjoy rather than doing the typical thing and end up inviting only some close friends and mostly acquaintances. We are also not interested in joining a congregation because we attend services in the Chabad house and my kids go to school at Talmud Torah. [...] 3860 60 27_Re: Another naming question16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:48:55 GMT568_- On Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:31:08 -0800, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) said:

> Our upcoming arrival will be named for my grandmother Mirel and my > great-aunt Rivka (another M-R combination!). We have names picked out for > a girl, but we have to solve several problems if it's a boy.

> 1. What Hebrew names should we use? I would be interested in either > phonetic parallels or Hebrew names whose meanings are equivalent to Mirel > and Rivka. Or perhaps there is yet another approach for naming a child > for a person of the opposite sex? I would [...] 3921 32 43_Re: Appropriate attire for children in shul10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:05:29 GMT494_- Ken Goldman (kgold@watson.ibm.com) wrote: : My personal opinion (and I'm not at all into clothes) is that temple : should be like work or school. We (adults and kids) should dress a bit : better as a show of respect. My son (5) will wear clean pants (not jeans), : a nice shirt (not a tee shirt) and a sweater if it's cool (not a : sweatshirt). : : I'm a bit bothered by people who look like they just came from the gym : or soccer practice, but I have no problem with kids in sneakers. [...] 3954 34 21_Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts13_Art Werschulz19_agw@cs.columbia.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:19:08 GMT493_- Hi.

In article <49r6l1$hh5@news1.usa.pipeline.com> carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com (Barbara Pollack) writes:

> > On Nov 30, 1995 14:10:58 in article , > > > >How about thfe old standby of a pair of tefillin? > > Wouldn't they already have tefillin in preparation for Bar Mitzvah?

Not only that, but a good set of tefillin can run into some serious money (hundreds of dollars). Of course, if you amortize the cost over the expected number of uses ... 3989 58 14_Re: G-dparents14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:17:39 GMT629_- In article <49tsm2$6lq@adnetsol.adnetsol.com>, Diane wrote: >I just discovered this list and I have a question that I hope one of >you can answer: Do Jews follow a tradition (either religious or >cultural) of asking others to be the G-dparents of their >child/children? Neither my husband or I had ever heard of Jewish >families doing this until we recently we met a couple who had. >Exactly what does Jewish law say in this regard? What are the >responsibilities, formal or otherwise, of the individual(s) chosen to >fill this role. > >Thanks for any information you can provide. We've been trying [...] 4048 65 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:39:12 GMT553_- On Dec 02, 1995 19:50:02 in article , 'TYDR82A@prodigy.com (MS SHELLEY P NORD)' wrote:

>I am fortunate in that my daughter (age 7) still likes to dress up and will >change into a dress, tights and party shoes to go to services. We also manage >to get her to wash up and comb her hair. > Even if dressing up isn't required by your synagogue, I think it's a good idea to train children to dress for all serious occasions. If you start them young, they are much less likely to embarrass you when they [...] 4114 38 27_Re: Another naming question15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:39:00 GMT603_- On Dec 04, 1995 13:15:28 in article , 'ValLipow@aol.com' wrote:

>BTW, as you may recall, we adopted Ethan, and there was also absolutely no

>negative reaction from anyone that we would name a child in honor of the memory >of one of our own biological relatives.

We had a similar experience. In fact, when we decided to adopt older children from Korea, one of my husband's aunts politely told us that she would never be able to consider them her great-nephews. We were saddened but not too upset because she was so polite about it--and some other [...] 4153 20 11_Baby naming13_Andrew Brooke21_abrooke@terraport.net28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:29:15 GMT441_- As soon to be parents, I'm curious if there's anyone who has had any bad experiences as a result of their children having a Jewish name, such as Sara or Aaron, names that we are considering.

Does it carry a risk of anti-semitism as children and later in on life?



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 4174 50 27_Re: Another naming question0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:56:57 GMT582_- In a previous article, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) wrote: ->3. Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's ->reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? ->Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

My oldest brother was named for my dad's mother both in English and in Hebrew. She was Leah Etta; he is named Leib Moshe (Lawrence Marc, goes by Marc). I, on the other hand, was named for her and my mother's uncle, Irving; again, both in English and in Hebrew: Leah Nitzah (Linda Ilene). My brother never [...] 4225 29 39_Newly pregnant and thinking about names0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:24:24 GMT339_- My husband and I just found that we're expecting. The baby should arrive in mid-summer. We will probably name this child after my grandmother, who passed away only one year ago (age 89!), and my husband's grandfather. My grandmother's name was Freida Esther (Fratl Ester), and his grandfather's name was Maurice (Yiddish name TBD). [...] 4255 35 14_Re: G-dparents17_Tiggers are great16_afn15089@afn.org28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:27:03 GMT535_US-ASCII

On 4 Dec 1995, Diane wrote:

> I just discovered this list and I have a question that I hope one of > you can answer: Do Jews follow a tradition (either religious or > cultural) of asking others to be the G-dparents of their > child/children?

I had never heard of this practice either until two weeks ago I went to visit some friends who had just had a baby boy (...Hello Max). The day before the Bris, her father asked who the G-dparents were going to be and they too were unaware of this practice. [...] 4291 43 27_Re: Another naming question18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:25:44 GMT356_US-ASCII In a previous article, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) wrote: ->3. Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's ->reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? ->Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

I can claim that distinction (Now you in the back row - quit giggling!) [...] 4335 53 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question10_Sol Lerner15_slerner@gte.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:30:29 GMT587_- In article <4a36pg$7r1@news1.usa.pipeline.com>, carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com (Barbara Pollack) wrote:

> Now my 13-year-old, Ben, is in this year's class. He is one of two boys > and eight girls--and it is very unlikely that the other boy will continue > to attend services after his Bar Mitzvah since his parents often don't come > with him now. Peer identification being what it is, I'm expecting trouble > about attending services when the class is over, not only from Ben but even > from Andrew once his brother digs in his heels. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? [...] 4389 53 41_The Holiday Season Explodes Around Us....14_Andrea Herrera15_AndreaH@utj.org28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:06:26 GMT418_- Well, I thought I could get through "the holiday season" without too much complaining, but I now have a rather complicated situation to handle.

Our 7 yr old is in second grade. I adore his teacher. She is bright, energetic, and an all around great teacher. We had talked about the Xmas season a while back and she assured me that she "does not make a big deal out of it in her classroom". I was pleased. [...] 4443 34 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question10_Marc Baime25_marc.baime@telops.gte.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:31:15 GMT392_us-ascii MichelleFG@aol.com wrote: > > << Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah > Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora > Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) > (another line here that has the same tune as the last) At my house the above two lines are sung: Gather round the table, we'll give you a treat Suvivon (sp?) to play with and latkes to eat [...] 4478 46 8_Re: xmas10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:12:43 GMT598_- "susan (d.s.) marcus" wrote: >foxhollow2@aol.com (Foxhollow2) wrote: > >> My child is having a problem with her teacher playing Xmas music all day. >> Is their anything I can do? Thanks. Laurie >> >Laurie.... Why not send a tape of Channukah music to school [...]

I can't tell from Laurie's post what all the problems are with the Christmas music (I wouldn't like it either, but different people are affected in different ways) and what she's already tried. But given the apparent situation, my guess is that the Chanukah tape would get played about 5% to 10% of the [...] 4525 20 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:16:05 GMT346_- Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl, dreidl, dreidl"

-- Eric



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 4546 42 27_Re: Another naming question18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:02:44 GMT631_- In article <49o7vb$qcl@news.iastate.edu> pourel@iastate.edu (I. Pour-El) writes: >>We are also expecting our second child soon (in February). Our first, >>Maxwell Ross, is named for my husband's grandfather and my grandmother >>(Rose). We consulted our Rabbi who helped us decide on a Hebrew middle >>name that kept a similar sound to my grandmother's name and a meaning that >>had relevance to her personality and spirit. As for "M" names in >>English, we are obviously partial to MAX and have been pleasantly >>surprised that it is less old fashioned than we thought. >> >>How about some suggestions on names for our next [...] 4589 33 27_Re: Another Naming Question0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:10:10 GMT613_-

In a message dated 95-11-30 13:19:55 EST, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) wrote (snip):

>Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's >reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? >Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

Both of my sons are named for women. Samuel (9) is named for his grandmother Sidonia, z"l. Gabriel (3) is named Gabriel simply because we loved the name, but his middle name, Adin, is an inversion of Dina, z"l (same Hebrew root, "din") the name of my grandmother. Both boys love hearing stories about [...] 4623 31 21_A Baby Naming Caution15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:24:57 GMT431_- To the extent that I've advocated using a book for ideas to name a child, I want to STRESS my additional belief that it important to run your final choices by someone of knowledge prior to actually bestowing a "book name" on your child.

This is important because no one wants to give their child a Hebrew name that in modern Israel is the equivalent of a Hubert or Clement, or has other bad connotations like Adolph. [...] 4655 39 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:00:51 GMT412_- In article <49vrv5$fh7@news4.digex.net>, Eric Simon wrote: >Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can >learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl, >dreidl, dreidl"

Well, it's not in English, but it's simple anyhow:

Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov Chanukah, hoo chag tov Chanukah, hoo chag tov Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov [...] 4695 34 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:51:03 GMT374_- Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov wrote: : Now, to respond to Rob Strom. : : "I totally disagree with the implication that lack of religious : practice leads children wide open to Christian proselytization"

But in Judaism, that's about all there is: practice. There is virtually no dogma.

Let me present my own view, which is almost 100% the opposite of Rob Stoms: [...] 4730 39 20_Re: Chanukah Tzdekah12_Regina Levin14_rlevin@uhc.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:42:16 GMT374_- mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) wrote: > Anyhow, since this is my kids money (although Tzedakah comes directly > from my wallet) I feel strongly that they should distribute gifts to > actually experience giving first hand. But I can't think of anything off > hand to do, and thought I would ask for examples of how your kids do > Tzedakah for Chanukkah. > [...] 4770 51 20_Re: Killing Jesus...12_Regina Levin14_rlevin@uhc.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:14:14 GMT491_- mark@csc.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger) wrote: > It originates from their scriptures, which state that the Romans > executed Jesus in response to Jewish demands. > (clipped) > The modern papal solution to the problem is to blame the execution on > the Romans and to say that our people were not responsible. > > However, the issue is intrinsically difficult. Think about it. To us, > this man was a false messiah. And the issue of what to do with a false > messiah is not an easy one. [...] 4822 35 43_Re: Newly pregnant and thinking about names16_Richard M. Nixon15_dick@tricky.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:36:02 GMT422_- In article <6DEC95.16242438@shrsys.hslc.org> nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org writes: >My husband and I just found that we're expecting. The baby should arrive in >mid-summer. We will probably name this child after my grandmother, who passed >away only one year ago (age 89!), and my husband's grandfather. My >grandmother's name was Freida Esther (Fratl Ester), and his grandfather's name >was Maurice (Yiddish name TBD). [...] 4858 43 14_Re: G-dparents13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:40:44 GMT547_us-ascii What we are discussing here is "Kvatteren." (Yiddish, plural, "like fathers")

This is traditionally a married couple. The wife takes the baby from the new mother, gives him to her husband and then he gives the baby to the mohel. You can add other people to the baby train if you have lots of honorees. We had an Ortho bris, and found out that there are all sorts of honors with individual titles that can be used if you need them. (The person who takes the baby from the female kvatter to the male, the person who puts him on [...] 4902 32 40_Re: Alternatives to typical Bar Mitzvah?0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:30:00 GMT432_- Arieh Cimet asks about Bar Mitzvah alternatives.

When my younger brother became Bar Mitzvah, my parents (who were strongly against ostentatious spending) had an Oneg Shabbat after the service. Then my brother and his friends went out to play. Last year (20-someodd years later) I asked my brother if he had felt cheated. He said "Not at all." , he was glad not to have a fancy party and instead play ball in the park. [...] 4935 53 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:31:52 GMT465_US-ASCII This is what Marc Baime says : > > > > << Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah > > Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora > > Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) > > (another line here that has the same tune as the last) > At my house the above two lines are sung: > Gather round the table, we'll give you a treat > Suvivon (sp?) to play with and latkes to eat > > > And while we are playing, > > The candles are [...] 4989 71 20_Hanukkah Song Lyrics19_Amy Sheldon (ESMPD)19_asheldon@Census.GOV28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:38:48 GMT597_US-ASCII





> > In article <49vrv5$fh7@news4.digex.net>, > Eric Simon wrote: > >Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can > >learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl, > >dreidl, dreidl" > > Well, it's not in English, but it's simple anyhow: > > Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov > Chanukah, hoo chag tov > Chanukah, hoo chag tov > Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov > > The kids can spin themselves sick while singing too (extra fun!) > > it means, approximately: > dreidel, spin, spin, spin > Chanukah is a [...] 5061 37 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:02:16 GMT361_- robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes: > >Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov >Chanukah, hoo chag tov [...]

Thank you, I was just about to ask for these lyrics. I was taught this song in grade school in the following English translation (which seemed totally uninteresting and somewhat icky to me as a child, but the tune took root in my memory): [...] 5099 67 6_Names?14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:47:47 GMT515_us-ascii Irene wrote: >

> > To the extent that I've advocated using a book for ideas to name a child, I > want to STRESS my additional belief that it important to run your final > choices by someone of knowledge prior to actually bestowing a "book > name" on your child. > > This is important because no one wants to give their child a Hebrew > name that in modern Israel is the equivalent of a Hubert or Clement, or > has other bad connotations like Adolph. > > A case in point, I've heard of a person [...] 5167 38 11_G-d parents25_Chana Lajcher JCT Library25_lajcher@brachot.jct.ac.il28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:46:31 GMT390_US-ASCII Hello:

This is my first post to the list (awwww). The Israeli/Eastern European/ Orthodox (take your pick) custom is to have "qvatterim" (I don't know how to translate that). This is a couple, usually childless, that carries the baby to the mohel. The baby's mother gives the child to the female qvatter, who passes him to the male qvatter, who gives him to the father. [...] 5206 36 24_Review: THE SHABBAT BOOK17_MS SHELLEY P NORD19_TYDR82A@prodigy.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:19:04 GMT565_- -- [ From: Shelley Parish Nord * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

I just bought what appears to be an excellent book on Shabbat.....for child and adult alike.....called THE SHABBAT BOOK at my synagogue's annual book fair.

It is published by the same folks that did the Annimated Haggadah. The book is organized by the weekly Torah parasha, with mostly English text, and it explains the weekly Torah portion, describes rituals (inclusing the much discussed blessings over the children), has the Hebrew prayers and songs, and vivid clay-mation illustrations. [...] 5243 31 24_Re: Christmas in schools14_Sue Rubinstein21_rubinste@NorthNet.org28_Mon, 4 Dec 1995 14:42:37 GMT524_us-ascii

>> I live in a rural town in northern New York. There are probably fewer >> than ten Jewish children in the entire school system. My first child is >> now in first grade and my youngest is in nursery school. I am now faced >> with my first "holiday" concerts, plays, parties etc. My kids go to >> Sunday school and my oldest understands why we do not celebrate Xmas. >> I'd just like to get some ideas on how this is handled in other areas. >> Do you talk about Chanukah in the schools or is does that [...] 5275 56 25_Re: December difficulties18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:21:05 GMT562_US-ASCII This is what Dina Stander says : > While I understand and share your feelings about sacred object I must > respectfully point out that Christmas trees have their origin in what might > be called Pagan or (more ancient than the Christians) earth centered > spiritual ritual and not Christian ritual. It is one of the last holdovers > >from the pre-christian folks. It is sad to me that such a lovely tradition > has become so enmeshed in the Christ-thing to have lost its original > meaning and flavor. Which is, I suppose, what you are getting at. [...] 5332 34 24_Re: Naming of baby girls12_Regina Levin14_rlevin@uhc.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:17:46 GMT291_- Alphons Fraenkel wrote: > I would like to know what the rituals or procedures are for the naming of a > girl when the husband is not Jewish. Has anyone experienced or witnessed > such a synagogue ceremony? I would be interested in finding out what was > done. [...] 5367 35 14_Re: G-dparents14_Howard Gershen18_howard@boxhill.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:08:25 GMT328_-

Georganne Burke wrote:

> During the bris milah ceremony, the sondik and the kfater take on > responsibility for the boy. Indeed they become his g-dparents. There is > nothing preventing this special relationship for girls as far as I know. > However, there is no formal ceremony or appointment for a girl. [...] 5403 49 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:12:28 GMT549_- Eric Simon (erics@access2.digex.net) wrote: : Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can : learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl, : dreidl, dreidl"

What about Mi Y'Malel/Who can Retell?

Mi y'ma-lei g'vurot ysroel? Otan mi yimne? Hen b'chol dor ya-kum ha-gi-bor goel ha-am mi, y'ma-lei g'vurot yerael? Otan mi yimne? Hen b'chol dor ya-kum ha-gi-bor goel ha-am shema! beyamim hahem baz'man haze makabi moshia ufod uvya meinu kos am yisrael yit'a-ched ya-kum l'higael. [...] 5453 170 20_Re: Killing Jesus...15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:19:00 GMT604_- I found this posting to assume facts--and reactions to these supposed facts--that were not in evidence at the time under discussion. Since the purpose of this thread is to make sure that we have enough information to prepare our children for possible confrontations, I feel it important to respond.

Jews of the time of Jesus were not inexperienced in dealing with other cultures. Not only Rome but several other empires had ruled them for most of the preceding 600 years (except for a brief period under the Hasmoneans). Rome didn't rule the world by ceding power to its conquered peoples. [...] 5624 172 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question14_Edward Letzter24_letzter@laplace.tamu.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:06:06 GMT385_- [First, I'm glad to see this group running. Many thanks to all who have worked so hard to make this happen.]

There is at least one other verse to the song Robyn posted. Here is what I know of the diaspora version:

Sivivon, sov, sov, sov; (dreidel, spin, spin, spin) Chanuka, hoo chag tov. (Chanuka is a good holiday) Chanuka, hoo chag tov; Sivivon, sov, sov, sov. [...] 5797 33 8_Burnout?11_Shari Rifas15_sfr2@hooked.net28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:50:44 GMT415_- I am wondering of any of you have lived through a similiar experience.

My daughter goes to Public School 25 hours a week. Aikido 2 hours a week. Religious/Hebrew school six hours a week. She is six years old.

Right now she is particularly connecting to Judaism. She is asking everyone to use her Hebrew name instead of her English name. She moved up a level in Hebrew class at her own request. [...] 5831 28 15_Re: G-d parents11_Alan Houser15_troop24@emf.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 07:35:56 GMT334_- Chana Lajcher JCT Library (lajcher@brachot.jct.ac.il) wrote: : In general, after one has a sandak and qvatterim, one can add on a few : honors by passing the baby a few more times. Whether or not the qvatterim : feel responsible for the child's education, they definitely remember that : they were honored at the child's bris. [...] 5860 32 45_Re: The Holiday Season Explodes Around Us....13_Paul G. Weiss18_pgweiss@netcom.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:23:25 GMT523_- Andrea Herrera (AndreaH@utj.org) wrote: : ..... : ...I plan on reading the kids a : story called "Toby Belfer Never Had a Christmas Tree". It is not a : particularly religious book, but shows the difference between holiday : celebrations. ... : .....

Your post reminded me of a story by Grace Paley called "The Loudest Voice." It is a story of a Christmas play in a school in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and the different reactions of the narrator (a child) and her father and mother. I recommend it. [...] 5893 57 33_REQUEST for Torah refs re: family0_13_astri@asu.edu28_Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:58:16 GMT390_US-ASCII [ moderator (srw) - Discussion of this specific case is a little outside our charter. I am posting this as a spring board on a discussion of Torah/Talmudic values on childrearing, which is actually what the post is asking for. Discussion of the specifics of this case should be kept to a minimun as it is outside the charter and out of respect for the privacy of the victim ] [...] 5951 31 27_Re: Another naming question11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:15:49 GMT446_- troop24@emf.net (Alan Houser) writes: > I. Pour-El (pourel@iastate.edu) wrote: > : why focus on the first letter? You could, for example use Chuck to > keep the ...chak". (Thats a joke, but you get the idea). > > We did exactly that with our first born. We wanted to name him after my > father, Harry, but could not find any "H" names that we liked. Instead, > we took the end of his name, with a name that we really, really liked: Ari. > [...] 5983 35 21_Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts14_Howard Gershen18_howard@boxhill.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:35:38 GMT413_-

I recently gave a cousin a two-part gift: -- a $100 U.S. Savings Bond (couldn't get to a bank for an Israel Bond), -- a $50 gift certificate for Tower Records

The first I considered a gift for the future (and something his parents would appreciate), and the second a gift for the present (more for the Bar Mitzvah man). Note that the Savings Bond cost $50, the same as the gift certificate. [...] 6019 31 14_Chanukah Music10_Karen Fink16_karen@lclark.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:48:20 GMT370_US-ASCII

Shalom.

There is an award-winning (Parent's Choice) audio tape "Just In Time For Chanukah" available from the artists, Margie Rosenthal and Ilene Safyan. The tape of beautiful harmonies includes the Chanukah Candle Lighting Blessings, and almost all of our favorites. The songs are in Hebrew and/or English. Some include a children's choir. [...] 6051 90 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:18:26 GMT666_- On Dec 06, 1995 09:51:22 in article , 'slerner@gte.com (Sol Lerner)' wrote:



>In article <4a36pg$7r1@news1.usa.pipeline.com>, carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com >(Barbara Pollack) wrote: > >> Now my 13-year-old, Ben, is in this year's class. He is one of two boys

>> and eight girls--and it is very unlikely that the other boy will continue >> to attend services after his Bar Mitzvah since his parents often don't come >> with him now. Peer identification being what it is, I'm expecting trouble >> about attending services when the class is over, not only from Ben but even >> from Andrew [...] 6142 32 27_Re: Another naming question12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:10:42 GMT270_- Alan Houser (troop24@emf.net) wrote: : We did exactly that with our first born. We wanted to name him after my : father, Harry, but could not find any "H" names that we liked. Instead, we : took the end of his name, with a name that we really, really liked: Ari. [...] 6175 37 24_Re: Hanukkah Song Lyrics19_Amy Sheldon (ESMPD)19_asheldon@Census.GOV28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:27:47 GMT352_US-ASCII



And ever since I posted it it's been in my head endlessly! Good thing I like it.

It's a good song to teach to your kids' public school classes -- they get a kick out of learing a little Hebrew even if they have a hard time with the chets!

Regards,

Amy

On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Robyn Kozierok wrote: [...] 6213 33 23_Naming Caution Followup15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:18:49 GMT528_- Some people asked me for the name of the child I referred to in my previous posting who I stated was given a prostitute's Hebrew name. To the extent that these people want to avoid choosing this name for their own kids, the name was Rachav. I think I misspoke in saying that the name was also Israeli slang for pig. It might have had another derogatory slang meaning, perhaps "fat"? Best to ask an Israeli for the actual usage. In any case, it is a name to be avoided. Rachel, which has a similar sound, has a far better [...] 6247 40 29_Chanukah Book Recommendations10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:07:55 GMT404_- Book recommendations for Chanukah.

My 2-1/2 yr old loves the following books. I think these are very age appropriate for 1-1/2 to 3 or 4 yr olds.

Are You Ready for Chanukah, Sol Scharfstein, Ktav, 1992 ISBN# 0-87068-475-4

Rainbow Candles, Myra Shostak, Kar-Ben Copies, 199? ISBN# 0-930494-59-8

My First Chanukah, Tamie dePaola, 1989, Tien Wah Press ISBN# 0-399-21780-0 [...] 6288 35 41_SPNI magazine (Was: Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:45:22 GMT328_US-ASCII This is what Howard Gershen says : > > Come to think of it, I recall that SPNI (Society for the Preservation of > Nature in Israel, right?) puts out a glossy, full-color magazine similar > to the American publications "National Geographic" or "Natural History"; > would a subscription be another appropriate gift? [...] 6324 36 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:11:02 GMT437_- Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: : Eric Simon (erics@access2.digex.net) wrote: : : Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can : : learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl,

: : dreidl, dreidl" : : What about Mi Y'Malel/Who can Retell? : Who can retell the things that befell us? : Who can count them? : In every age a hero or sage came to our aid. [...] 6361 28 27_Re: Another naming question10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:34:47 GMT350_- : >>How about some suggestions on names for our next child? We know that we : >>will be having a boy and will likely name for my grandfather (Isaac) and : >>my husband's uncle (Jesse). The Hebrew names are set at Yitzchak and : >>Yaacov. As for the English, we love Jacob for the "J" name, but cannot : >>find an "I" name we like...Any ideas? [...] 6390 34 27_Re: Another naming question10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:31:23 GMT541_- Daniel P. Faigin (faigin@aero.org) wrote: : > 3. Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's : > reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? : > Can you offer ideas on handling this situation?

I (Eric) was named for the g-gm, Essie. Since I had grown up knowing that, it never even *occurred* to me, for a *very long while* that anyone would ever have any question about it. I thought it was 100% normal. In fact, my mother was named for her grandfather, and my father was [...] 6425 24 23_Kolatch baby name book?0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:07:36 GMT369_- Somewhere in one of these messages, someone recommended _The Name Dictionary: Modern English and Hebrew Names_, by Alfred J. Kolatch. My local Waldenbooks did not show this in their computer. Does anyone have the exact title, publisher and year of this book? Is it still in print?

Do you have any other recommendations for English/Hebrew baby name books? [...] 6450 45 27_Re: Another Naming Question15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:33:21 GMT398_US-ASCII In article <951205171009_125868283@emout05.mail.aol.com>, NinaSalk@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 95-11-30 13:19:55 EST, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) > wrote (snip): > > >Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's > >reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? > >Can you offer ideas on handling this situation? [...] 6496 45 12_Re: Burnout?10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:19:36 GMT392_- Shari Rifas (sfr2@hooked.net) wrote: : Right now she is particularly connecting to Judaism. She is asking : everyone to use her Hebrew name instead of her English name. She : moved up a level in Hebrew class at her own request. [sd] : : I hope that she is in a hurry to build the foundation of a life of : Torah, marriage and Mitzvahs. I worry that she's headed for Judaica : burnout. [...] 6542 45 46_Re: SPNI Magazine (Was: Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts)14_Howard Gershen18_howard@boxhill.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:02:55 GMT675_-

Steven R. Weintraub asked for details about the magazine of the Society for the Preservation of Nature in Israel, which I'd mentioned as a possible Bar Mitzvah gift...

I just found a gopher file (gopher://israel-info.gov.il:70/00/envir/aut92/25 that mentions at least one magazine published by SPNI:

"...This past summer, the children's channel on Israeli cable television ran a 22-part series called "Green All Around," produced by the SPNI. The series revolved around a number of concerned children who set up an environmental group. At the end of each program, the children advised viewers to join the group and called upon their counterparts [...] 6588 61 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:24:31 GMT542_- Micha Berger (aishdas@haven.ios.com) wrote: > naomi pardue (npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote: > : Some Jewish families don't live in luxury, and need only to sacrifice a > : bit of luxury to afford $1000 a year in tuition. > : Some Jewish families would have to give up basic living (and I DON"T > : mean selling out 3,000 square foot home in the burbs and switching to a > : 2,000 square foot one!) to afford tuition. (And then too...some of us > : live in communities where there isn't a dayschool, so the issue is > academic.) [...] 6650 32 27_Re: Naming Caution Followup16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:12:52 GMT339_- On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 06:18:49 -0800, Irene Bleiweiss said:

> Some people asked me for the name of the child I referred to in my > previous posting who I stated was given a prostitute's Hebrew name. > To the extent that these people want to avoid choosing this name for > their own kids, the name was Rachav. [...] 6683 75 37_Re: REQUEST for Torah refs re: family10_Sol Lerner15_slerner@gte.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:07:14 GMT563_- In article , astri@asu.edu wrote:

> In condensed form, he said: "You are a girl, you are bad. You are the > cause of all of the problems between your mother and myself. It is your > fault that we got married at all. You should never have been born. All > of your problems are because you are bad. The bible says that fathers > may kill their children if they are bad, so it is my right to kill you if > I choose. I am your father, I am your father, I am right, I do not [...] 6759 32 8_Re: xmas25_131A40000-ChazinDDR32471625_dchazin@drmail.dr.att.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:11:25 GMT638_- In article <4a06fa$1mg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, foxhollow2@aol.com (Foxhollow2) writes: > My child is having a problem with her teacher playing Xmas music >all day. Is their anything I can do? Thanks. Laurie

You should certainly say something to the teacher, otherwise she has no reason to assume that something is wrong. Be prepared to get no (or possibly negative) response to this, especially if you live in a community that is almost entirely Xtian. The last place we lived (Champaign, Illinois, 95%+ Xtian), we would go through this type of situation every year with the schools "x-mas" program. I would dutifully go in [...] 6792 44 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:20:10 GMT398_us-ascii Ner li is cute. Anyone out there know all the words? Ann - If you see this, it's in that book you gave me. I just remember this much:

Ner-li ner-li ner-li dakik. (My candle, my candle, my little candle) Ba Chanuka ner-li adlik. (On Chanuka I will light my candle.) Ba Chanuka ------------ (On Chanuka I will Ba Chanuka shirim ashir. (On Chanuka I will sing songs.) [...] 6837 46 15_Re: Baby naming18_Lesly Wade-Woolley19_lwoolley@oise.on.ca28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:45:08 GMT399_US-ASCII Names can also exclude you from the community you belong to.

My husband was born in 1950 to Jewish parents in the UK (Ireland and England) and he was named Stuart Eric. Because his great-grandfather had been Xtian, his last name is Woolley. He grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in Montreal and says that he always felt a need to prove his Jewishness to his girlfriends' parents. [...] 6884 102 6_Sundry14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:00:11 GMT385_us-ascii

Daniel wrote: > > Well, Mirel isn't in my naming book, so I'm at a loss. Is Mirel realted to > Muriel? If so, then the name means "fragrent", as is the feminization of > Myron. Female hebrew equivalents are: Aleezaw, Marneenaw, Mazawl, R'nawnaw, > and S'maychaw. Masculine Hebrew Equivalents are Marnin, Mawzawl-Tov, Sawson, > Simchaw, Yachdeeayl, and Yitzchawk. [...] 6987 25 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:10:21 GMT336_us-ascii My two year old would add "Rock a Bye Baby" to the Chanuka song list.

When the bough breaks the dreidle will fall........

Louise Miller





* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 7013 24 33_Reference for Kolatch Naming Book0_28_metzgerda@CCVAX.CCS.CSUS.EDU28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 23:06:56 GMT418_- Someone requested the following information about a baby naming book, hope this helps.

The Dictionary of First Names by Alfred J. Kolatch. ISBN0-399-51633-6 Perigree bks Wholesalers: Ingram 544p. $11.00 1990(Berkley Publishing Group)

Debbie

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 7038 46 27_Re: Another naming question15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:04:26 GMT305_- Eric Simon attributed the following to Daniel P. Faigin, but it actually came from me: > : > 3. Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's > : > reaction when he got old enough to understand? Do you regret this choice? > : > Can you offer ideas on handling this situation? [...] 7085 39 45_Re: The Holiday Season Explodes Around Us....13_Gail S. White21_gs14@acmex.gatech.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:41:43 GMT519_- Andrea, I am struggling with the same issues as you, so I certainly don't have all the answers. My 4-yr old goes to pre-K, and they are starting to do some of the Christmas stuff, but I don't think they will lay it on really thick because there are 3 total Jewish children and one Jehovah's Witness in the class of 18. Last night though, he was watching something Christmas related on t.v. and said "I wish I was a Christmas-person." So . . . my gut reaction is that you will only feel better if you talk to the [...] 7125 56 41_SCJP APPROVAL: Hanukkah Song Lyrics (fwd)18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:47:58 GMT598_US-ASCII Guitar cords anyone



[Moderator note: for the completely non-musical amongstus, those letters over the words are guitar chords. :-)]

?

> Eric Simon wrote: > Am E Am E > Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov Am Dm E > Chanukah, hoo chag tov Am E Am G > Chanukah, hoo chag tov Am E Am > Sivivon, Sov, Sov, Sov > This is what Amy Sheldon says : > Dm Am > Hag simha hoo la'ahm E Am > Nes Gadol Haya Sham Dm Am > Nes Gadol Haya Sham E Am > Hag simha hoo la'ahm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- enough [...] 7182 43 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question0_21_Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:00:54 GMT574_- Barbara wrote: >My problem is that I see the handwriting on the wall. Teenagers not >only want to do things with their peers but don't even want to be >*seen* with their parents. I'm wondering how other parents have >dealt with this--or how other communities have managed to attract and >involve teenage boys. Or maybe it's not a widespread problem and is >just a fluke that the families of the boys their age happen to be >among the less commited in our congregation. There are lots of >commited families with girls their age or younger children. And we >don't have [...] 7226 24 17_Kudos to teacher!20_Amy & Dane L Harwood23_amydane@harwood.iii.net28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:51:33 GMT472_us-ascii Kudos to my son's teacher, for handling the holiday bit in a way I feel is appropriate and respectful to all. Every month, the class "does" Chicken Soup with Rice (Maurice Sendak) - a poem for each month. For those who know it, December is about Christmas. With no fuss, the teacher rewrote December to not mention a single holiday, but rather to celebrate lights and candles and warmth! Hurray! BTW, she IS Jewish, although she has an Italian surname. -Amy [...] 7251 29 27_Re: Kolatch baby name book?16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:11:09 GMT369_- On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:07:36 -0800, nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org said:

> Somewhere in one of these messages, someone recommended _The Name > Dictionary: Modern English and Hebrew Names_, by Alfred J. Kolatch. My local > Waldenbooks did not show this in their computer. Does anyone have the exact > title, publisher and year of this book? Is it still in print? [...] 7281 39 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:10:32 GMT328_- erics@access2.digex.net (Eric Simon) writes: > Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can > learn?

Well, you said "very young." My son learned this one in preschool when he was 3, and he still sings it all the time.

How many candles How many candles How many candles do we light [...] 7321 37 10_Re: Naming0_17_SASHIFRIN@aol.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:13:03 GMT502_-



> In a message dated 95-11-30 13:19:55 EST, robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) > wrote (snip): > > >Has anyone else named a son for women relatives? What was the boy's reaction...

My son Jonah (dove) was named for my ggrandmother Faige (bird). The neat thing about the name Jonah or Yonah in Hebrew was that my ggrandmother's Russian maiden name translated into "little dove", a fact that I found out after he was named, I believe. His middle name honors his ggrandfather. [...] 7359 32 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question7_SUBMAIL18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:40:20 GMT598_- In <4a5me2$arh@news1.usa.pipeline.com> carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com writes:

> their parents. I'm wondering how other parents have dealt with this--or

We just went every week with them. True, they did not fit in with most kids their age. But going to shul on Sat am was what we did. We were fortunate that there were always two or more kids a little bit older who also were in shul every week with their families. My kids never complained or seemed unhappy about it. Perhaps I was blind to their true feelings, but they are adults now and building Jewish homes of their own so [...] 7392 29 28_Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah14_Ellis Bromberg17_bromberg@uiuc.edu28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 23:08:04 GMT532_- Be on the lookout for "Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah," a wonderful family special on most PBS stations, next Monday, December 11 at 8 p.m. ET. (check your local listings, because many PBS stations move program out of their network feed times). Shari Lewis and friends are joined by Alan Thicke, Pat Morita, and Lloyd Bochner for a Chanukah party. The program producers have also produced a nice pamphlet with a little Chanukah play and latke recipe; you may want to call your local PBS station to see if they'll send you one. [...] 7422 57 23_Xmas Explodes -- Update14_Andrea Herrera15_AndreaH@utj.org28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:29:13 GMT419_- First, I would like to thank everyone who took the time to respond by either email or to the list regarding this problem.

Here's the update--

I went in and talked to my son's teacher. I must say in her defense that she does "play down" Xmas. Her's was the only bulletin board in the hallway with a purely winter scene. (ice skaters, pond, etc) And, in her class the only sign of Xmas was the tree. [...] 7480 87 28_Baby Naming (was Re: Sundry)16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:49:28 GMT378_- On Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:00:11 -0800, "Hadass Eviatar" said:

> Daniel wrote: >> >> Well, Mirel isn't in my naming book, so I'm at a loss. Is Mirel realted to >> Muriel? ...

> Mirel (or Mirele) is a diminutive for Mira, or Miriam, AFAIK. Many of the > names you mention are Sephardi, BTW. No big deal, but people should be > aware. [...] 7568 44 3_TTS18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:33:32 GMT351_US-ASCII My daughter (who will be three at the end of the month) was at the doctors yesterday. A nurse came by, leaned over and said :

"Are you getting ready for Christmas?"

To which she replied :

"No we don't celebrate Christmas. We celebrate our holidays like Sukkot and Chanukah. You know like dreidle dreidle dreidle..." [...] 7613 35 8_Re: xmas10_Chris Webb16_cwebb@wimsey.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:48:20 GMT580_us-ascii What a good idea. I am going to send a Chanukah tape to daycare on Monday. they actually sent around a note asking parents to supply information or items for the way that those parents celebrate the "season". Our daycare usually does do a lot of Chanukah stuff, making latkes, dreidles, Mogen Davids, menorahs on the windows, adding a candle each day. But music would be a great addition, because they certainly learn all the xmas stuff too, especially the songs for presentation at the xmas party. In fact regular Jewish music at other times, might be a good idea. [...] 7649 53 8_Re: xmas15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:06:33 GMT632_- On Dec 07, 1995 11:11:25 in article , 'dchazin@drmail.dr.att.com (131A40000-ChazinD(DR3247)16)' wrote:

>You should certainly say something to the teacher, otherwise she has no reason >to assume that something is wrong. Be prepared to get no (or possibly negative) >response to this, especially if you live in a community that is almost entirely >Xtian. The last place we lived (Champaign, Illinois, 95%+ Xtian), we would go >through this type of situation every year with the schools "x-mas" program. I >would dutifully go in and say that we wanted our children to have no part in >this, and they would tell [...] 7703 44 33_REQUEST for Torah refs re: family0_21_Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:38:55 GMT520_- A quick search via Shamash of Tanach on the requested subject returned to following: " Mussar of the Week



------------------

"If there is to a man a deviating and rebellious son who doesn't listen to the voice of his father and the voice of his mother ... and his father and his mother shall grab him and take him to the elders of the city ... and they shall stone him, the people of the town, until he is dead; and you shall eradicate the evil within your midst ..." (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) [...] 7748 61 21_Eretz Magazine (SPNI)0_14_dinitz@tss.com28_Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:37:09 GMT366_- Howard Gershen wrote: > Come to think of it, I recall that SPNI (Society for the > Preservation of Nature in Israel, right?) puts out a glossy, > full-color magazine similar to the American publications "National > Geographic" or "Natural History"; would a subscription be another > appropriate gift?

Title: Eretz: the geographic magazine from Israel. [...] 7810 61 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids9_Rob Strom20_strom@watson.ibm.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:07:00 GMT397_- In article <49vqg7$fh7@news4.digex.net>, erics@access2.digex.net (Eric Simon) writes: |> Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov wrote: |> : Now, to respond to Rob Strom. |> : |> : "I totally disagree with the implication that lack of religious |> : practice leads children wide open to Christian proselytization" |> |> But in Judaism, that's about all there is: practice. There is virtually |> no dogma. |> [...] 7872 36 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question14_Sherri Shulman18_sherri@cse.ogi.edu28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:27:02 GMT340_- How about this one?

In the window where you can see the glow from my menorah on newly fallen snow. I will set thee one little candle on this the first night of Hanukah.

In the window where you can see the glow from my menorah on newly fallen snow. I will set thee one little candle on this the second night of Hanukah. [...] 7909 17 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question7_SUBMAIL18_JFOX@MACC.WISC.EDU28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 16:30:13 GMT291_- > Ba Chanuka ------------ (On Chanuka I will I think it's Ba Chanuka neri ah-ir (on Chanuka I will light my candle)

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 7927 34 38_Re: Decisions about Jewish Day Schools12_Arlene Rimer17_arimer@wimsey.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:06:42 GMT474_us-ascii All the Jewish day schools in our area operate on an as you can afford to pay scale. They never turn anyone away.



I went to day school and it was an enriching experience. Learning different languages and culture in half a day and learning the same things everyone else did, in a whole day, in the other half, showed me and everyone else, just how much information and learning you can absorb. Most were bored when they went on to public school. [...] 7962 27 51_what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher12_Arlene Rimer17_arimer@wimsey.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:27:42 GMT328_us-ascii Considering everyone here is into Hebrew names, we just formally converted or adopted daughters, one has a hebrew name in English already (Aviva) and the other Jenna Rose, we named Shoshanna ( means Rose). My husband now must pick a Hebrew name. But in English it is Christopher. Does anyone have any suggestions. [...] 7990 164 5_Names14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:02:06 GMT315_us-ascii Daniel wrote: > > First, if the name is related to Miriam, than for a girl, any of the varients > of Mary would work. According to the Koltach book, Miriam means "sea of > bitterness", and going of the notion of "sea", there are quite a few nice boy > names, ranging from Dylan to Meredith or Marvin. [...] 8155 57 15_Re: Baby naming14_Diamond, Stacy35_SDIAMON@adminbldg.lan1.umanitoba.ca28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:14:00 GMT410_-





From: abrooke@terraport.net (Andrew Brooke) Subject: Baby naming Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 13:29:15 -0800

As soon to be parents, I'm curious if there's anyone who has had any bad experiences as a result of their children having a Jewish name, such as Sara or Aaron, names that we are considering.

Does it carry a risk of anti-semitism as children and later in on life? [...] 8213 21 28_Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:13:00 GMT433_- Ellis Bromberg wrote: <>

For people in the Boston area, it will be on channel 2 this coming Sunday at noon.



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 8235 26 14_Hanukkah songs0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:10:00 GMT416_- Eric Simons writes: <
ANd can anyone describe the melody for the Sivivon song?>>

There is an excellent album called "Hanukkah at Home" that has many of these songs. It is widely available, has a great version of the dreidl song (including such verses as: "Dreidl, dreidl, dreidl, I made it out of soap, I use it in the bathtub, it will not melt I hope" :-) [...] 8262 40 14_OOPS on lyrics14_Sherri Shulman18_sherri@cse.ogi.edu28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:11:00 GMT383_-

I just posted this:

How about this one?

In the window where you can see the glow from my menorah on newly fallen snow. I will set thee one little candle on this the first night of Hanukah.

In the window where you can see the glow from my menorah on newly fallen snow. I will set thee one little candle on ^^^ TWO this the second night of Hanukah. [...] 8303 26 65_B-Mitva in Israel, was (Re: Alternatives to typical Bar Mitzvah?)12_Sophie Miron21_soph@OCF.Berkeley.EDU28_Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:26:42 GMT323_- Both my brother and I were B-Mitvahed in Israel and it was a wonderful alternative to the hyped-up parties that people do in the States.

We spent two weeks on a tour that did the ceremony on Massada and then spent two more weeks visiting relatives and friends (my parents lived in Israel befor we were born). [...] 8330 45 29_Jews and Christmas in America18_Naphtali C. Visser16_nafnaf@cs.bu.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:07:59 GMT324_- [Moderator's Note: The writer of this article is a college student who does not yet have children. After a query from this moderator, he has convinced me that he is sincerely interested in your reactions to the following question. -- Nina Salkin, moderator]

What do you think about Jews celebrating Christmas? [...] 8376 179 41_Re: Rep: Religious School for Reform Kids9_Rob Strom20_strom@watson.ibm.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:57:26 GMT567_- [Moderator's Note: This long and thoughtful post by Rob Strom contains much quoted material. For readability, I have indicated the speakers in this dialogue with the initials "RK" for Roger Kurland, and "RS" for Rob Strom. ]

-- Nina Salkin, SCJP moderator

In article <9510288175.AA817592003@ccgate1.gsa.gov>, Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov writes:

RK: I was raised Reform, ... I became a B.T. four years ago, have two beautiful children who attend a modern orthodox day school. My chance return to Judaism is totally due to my second wife's faith. [...] 8556 39 15_Re: Baby naming14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu28_Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:44:34 GMT367_- In article <30C89E55@adminbldg.lan1.umanitoba.ca>, Diamond, Stacy wrote: >We would like to have a traditional name, but at the same time nothing that >is too different or old fashioned. I don't know why, but I am equally >attracted and repelled by the name Asher. What does everyone think? Will >non-Jews make fun of him? [...] 8596 42 12_Re: Burnout?15_Jerry B Altzman29_jbaltz@watsun.cc.columbia.edu29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:29:15 GMT561_- In article <199512070358.TAA10272@mom.hooked.net>, Shari Rifas wrote: >I am wondering of any of you have lived through a similiar >experience.

Actually, I lived through your daughter's experience, in a way.

[...moved up a level in Hebrew School, wants to be addressed by her Hebrew name...]

>I hope that she is in a hurry to build the foundation of a life of >Torah, marriage and Mitzvahs. I worry that she's headed for Judaica >burnout. Will she be ready to rebel when other kids are just >starting Hebrew School? [...] 8639 34 28_Channukah songs for toddlers25_Chana Lajcher JCT Library25_lajcher@brachot.jct.ac.il29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 10:39:53 GMT386_US-ASCII Ner-li:

Ner-li, ner-li, I have a candle, I have a candle Ner-li dakik My thin candle B'Hanukah, neri adlik On Hanukah, I will light my candle B'hanukah neri yair On hanukah my candle will shine B'hanukah shirim ashir On hanukah I will sing songs.

Best sung with a tinfoil candle on each kid's head. Very cute, especially if it's _your_ child standing there. [...] 8674 52 14_Re: G-dparents15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 00:55:18 GMT588_- In article <199512062108.QAA07808@boxhill.com>, Howard Gershen wrote:

> > Georganne Burke wrote: > > > During the bris milah ceremony, the sondik and the kfater take on > > responsibility for the boy. Indeed they become his g-dparents. There is > > nothing preventing this special relationship for girls as far as I know. > > However, there is no formal ceremony or appointment for a girl. > > Is this true? My father acted as sondik at my son's bris, but we wished to > have my brother-in-law and sister-in-law as G-dparents. Did we miss the boat? > > [...] 8727 39 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question17_L. Joseph Bachman25_jbachman@access.digex.net29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 03:07:42 GMT366_- carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com (Barbara Pollack) writes:

> >My problem is that I see the handwriting on the wall. Teenagers not only >want to do things with their peers but don't even want to be *seen* with >their parents. I'm wondering how other parents have dealt with this--or >how other communities have managed to attract and involve teenage boys. [...] 8767 34 25_Re: Superhero of the Jews16_Stephen Z. Stein16_szs@ultranet.com29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 03:15:24 GMT346_- In article <49io4r$gfm@uucp.intac.com>, dweiss@dataprobe.com (David Weiss) wrote:

> I just wanted to share an amusing thing that happened around Holloween. > > My 3 year old was asked what he wanted to be this year. > > He proudly stuck his chest out and fist into the air and shouted... > > > Moses....Superhero of the Jews !! > > [...] 8802 27 32_Re: Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 03:40:58 GMT319_- Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote: > Ellis Bromberg wrote: > < special on most PBS stations, next Monday, December 11 at 8 p.m. ET. ...>>

> For people in the Boston area, it will be on channel 2 this coming Sunday > at noon. [...] 8830 25 33_Re: Chanukah Book Recommendations8_B Peress15_bperess@aol.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:05:44 GMT491_- My favorite Chanukah books for school-age children are these two suspenseful tales:

"A Chanukah Story for Night Number Three" by Dina Rosenfeld, published by Hachai Publishing.

"Hershel and the Chanukah Goblins" by Eric Kimmel, published by Holiday House (and winner of a Caldecott Honor).







* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 8856 69 19_More Santa Problems17_MS SHELLEY P NORD19_TYDR82A@prodigy.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:38:17 GMT301_- -- [ From: Shelley Parish Nord * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

I thought I had *heard it all* about Jews co-mingling Xmas practices along with Hannukah celebrations but this past weekend I heard one Jewish mother's explanation of Santa to her Jewish child that left me with my mouth hanging open. [...] 8926 33 30_Re: Hanukkah lyrics - "Ner li"11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:31:03 GMT491_US-ASCII I have the following on the authority of my (adult) daughter and a number of her friends who have children (amidst hoots of derision for asking, followed by a rousing chorus of "Ma'oz Tzur" over the telephone):

Ner-li ner-li ner-li dakik. (My candle, my candle, my *slender* candle.) Ba Chanuka ner-li adlik. (On Chanuka I will light my candle.) Ba Chanuka ner-li ya'ir (On Chanuka my candle will give light.) Ba Chanuka ner-li ashir. (On Chanuka I will sing "Ner-li".) [...] 8960 26 18_Kolatch's book(s)?14_Diamond, Stacy35_SDIAMON@adminbldg.lan1.umanitoba.ca29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:45:00 GMT416_-

So far, two different titles have been given for reference to Kolatch's name book:

_The Name Dictionary: Modern English and Hebrew Names_ and _The Dictionary of First Names_

Are they in fact different? How so?

Thanks, Stacy

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 8987 65 7_Various14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:06:36 GMT356_us-ascii Arlene wrote: > > Considering everyone here is into Hebrew names, we just formally converted > or adopted daughters, one has a hebrew name in English already (Aviva) and > the other Jenna Rose, we named Shoshanna ( means Rose). My husband now > must pick a Hebrew name. But in English it is Christopher. Does anyone > have any suggestions. > [...] 9053 30 31_re: Hebrew Name for Christopher16_karen franklopez24_kfranklo@unlinfo.unl.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:23:42 GMT516_- My husband converted last year. Since his first name is Joseph, I suggested he just use Yosef. He goes by his middle name Anthony and he said he'd like to use something new. I suggested that instead of matching the first letter of his English names, maybe we should use a name that would describe him. As a joke, I suggested Dov (which means bear). He said that his family always used to call him a big bear because he's a big guy, has a lowd growl, but is really just a teddy-bear at heart. So he is now Dov [...] 9084 32 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question12_Regina Levin14_rlevin@uhc.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:43:32 GMT543_- slerner@gte.com (Sol Lerner) wrote: > A Shul "candy man" and children's groups are great > examples.

What does the 'candy man' do? And why? How common is this practice? Does anyone know about the origin of this practice?

When I was young, I once spent the night with a friend, and then went to church with her the next morning. While I was there, a young woman sat down next to me, and gave me a candy bar. She spoke with me for awhile. I don't remember anything she said, I don't think I understood it, but I thought she [...] 9117 48 20_Sukkah Building 101?15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:56:05 GMT586_- Many of you said that you are planning to buy lights for your Sukkah when they go on sale later this month. Sounds like fun...BUT how do you build a Sukkah?

Are there any specific requirements? Any things that work particularly well or should definitely be avoided? I'm particularly interested in ideas that are easy enough to involve my 6 year old in the construction, that I can build without ignoring the baby for substantial periods of time, and that are suited to my own limited knowledge of construction techniques. My overall concern is a Sukkah that would be safe [...] 9166 45 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question17_Sarah Y. Schwartz23_sgs@mini.skynet.att.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:08:54 GMT356_- >Eric Simon (erics@access2.digex.net) wrote: >: Anyone have any other Hanukah song lyrics that very young children can >: learn? So for, our repetoir is two: the one in this thread, and "Dreidl, >: dreidl, dreidl" > Didn't see anyone mention "Kemach kemach"

Kemach, kemach min ha-sak Shemen shemen min ha-kad Chanuka hayom Chag na-im nechmad [...] 9212 38 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:26:48 GMT363_- carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com (Barbara Pollack) writes: > > My problem is that I see the handwriting on the wall. Teenagers not only > want to do things with their peers but don't even want to be *seen* with > their parents. I'm wondering how other parents have dealt with this--or > how other communities have managed to attract and involve teenage boys. [...] 9251 35 19_Raising Jewish kids0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:15:00 GMT588_- Rob Strom writes:

<>

A case in point is my sister-in-law. She and her sister were raised strictly Orthodox. Her sister married a non-Jew (no kids), and my sister-in-law is extremely alienated from Judaism, to a large extent because of the role of women and teachings about them that she was brought up with (her comment, not my guess about her feelings). [...] 9287 38 19_How to play Dreidl?17_Peter Brusilovsky23_plb@cogpsy.uni-trier.de29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:19:06 GMT516_us-ascii I was really impressed by the message that we all "memory makers for our children".

I think we can do more in this aspect for our kids. So is the question - can someone describe or (if this question is too trivial for US Jews) at least send me a one-page description from any book HOW TO PLAY Dreidl? I am interested to try with my older daughter (she is 4), but I have never did it myself (miss of my parents). I know WHAT is Dreidl and can make it myself, but how to play? I have asked people [...] 9326 24 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America12_Joy Moskovic25_ao610@freenet.carleton.ca29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:48:00 GMT579_- I've always felt that by overemphasizing Chanukah as a substitute for Xmas, we're falling into the trap too. Chanukah is actually a minor festival, that sometimes gets too much attention that should go to Pesach, Purim, Rosh Hashanah, etc. Most Christians think we make a bigger deal of Chanukah than most of us actually do. I think it's important that young kids clearly understand that Christmas is not our holiday, and that includes not doing things that other kids may do, like visiting Santa in the mall. Well, that's my 2 cents anyway. (Not a mom yet, but 2/3 there [...] 9351 91 37_Re: REQUEST for Torah refs re: family11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:15:54 GMT492_- >In condensed form, he said: "You are a girl, you are bad. You are the >cause of all of the problems between your mother and myself. It is your >fault that we got married at all. You should never have been born. All >of your problems are because you are bad. The bible says that fathers >may kill their children if they are bad, so it is my right to kill you if >I choose. I am your father, I am your father, I am right, I do not >make mistakes, I have the bible as my guide. Trust no [...] 9443 38 27_Re: Xmas Explodes -- Update16_Judith G. Miller15_bosko@umich.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:43:41 GMT580_-

When my son was younger we went through much of the same. Although there is a reasonable Jewish population here in Ann Arbor, at one poiunt he was in an elementary school where he was the only Jewish kid! I approached his teacher and the principal and offered to bring in some Chanukkah decorations, storybooks and dreidles for all the kids in his class. The teacher went ahead and read the class a storybook about the history behind Chanukkah and then the kids all played dreidel with peanuts (which I also supplied). The school kept the decorations and, I heard, [...] 9482 21 32_Re: Baby Naming (was Re: Sundry)18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 03:59:12 GMT467_- >According to Kolach, it (Rebecca, for which Rivka is a dimunitive) is from the >Hebrew and Arabic meaning "to tie, to bind".

Small note. I wouldn't call Rivka a "diminutive" of Rebecca. It is the same name as Rebecca in full but merely in Hebrew pronunciation. Jerry W. Forstadt forstadt@asu.edu

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 9504 38 23_Re: How to play Dreidl?14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:29:59 GMT426_- In article , Peter Brusilovsky wrote: >So is the question - >can someone describe or (if this question is too trivial for US Jews) at >least send me a one-page description from any book HOW TO PLAY Dreidl? I am

Here are the rules I have played with. Everyone starts with some tokens, pennies, peanuts, chocolate coins, etc... They sit in a circle. [...] 9543 26 12_Dreidl rules16_karen franklopez24_kfranklo@unlinfo.unl.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:31:25 GMT456_- This year we will be helping my husband's large family celebrate Christmas. Since we will be going to see them on 12/21 thru X-mas, I asked my sister-in-law if it would be okay to bring my menorah so I could light the Chanukah candles. She was thrilled and said she'd love her kids to see how we celebrated Chanukah. I bought my 3 nieces/nefews dreidls and chocolate gelt but I have forgotten the rules for the game. Could someone please post them. [...] 9570 34 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America11_Gwen A Orel16_gaost3+@pitt.edu29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 06:03:06 GMT481_- It's true, earlier in this century many Jews celebrated Christmas as an "American" holiday. My mother's family did (no tree though) and they belonged to an orthodox shul! and her father went to shul three times a week.

So when we were little we also had Santa-- not really Christmas, but Christmas presents, and Santa. And I have to say, much as we loved it (Xmas beat Hannuka to H**l) I would NOT do it. It's confusing. And 2nd rate Xmas is worse than none I think. [...] 9605 23 15_Re: Baby Naming19_Michael G. Ash, CCE12_mash@nai.net28_Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:50:05 GMT357_- In article <013.06113993.TYDR82A@prodigy.com>, TYDR82A@prodigy.com (MS SHELLEY P NORD) says: Most parents express joy with the birth of a child, but saddlig a kid with a handle they must go life explaining is less than fair. Special "Jewish" names are fine, but there are better ways to have a child show their unique- ness than with a "funny" name. [...] 9629 69 23_Re: More Santa Problems14_Alice Schubach27_aa909@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 01:17:34 GMT595_-

In a previous article, TYDR82A@prodigy.com (MS SHELLEY P NORD) says:

>-- [ From: Shelley Parish Nord * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] -- > >I thought I had *heard it all* about Jews co-mingling Xmas practices >along with Hannukah celebrations but this past weekend I heard one >Jewish mother's explanation of Santa to her Jewish child that left me >with my mouth hanging open. > >Her son had been wondering why Santa never visited his home....and >instead of educating her son (however this might be done in a Jewish >context), she told him that Santa does come to the Jewish houses but [...] 9699 26 20_Re: Chanukah Tzdekah18_Penina Freedenberg23_peninawf@marple.umd.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:16:40 GMT518_- For many years we have designated one of the eight nights of Chanukah as tzedakah night. On that night the children do not receive a gift but give one instead. This has been done in a couple of ways. Sometimes we have gone to Toys R Us on that night of Chanukah, and each child picked out a toy for a child their own age, wrapped it and brought it over to the Toys for Tots place the same night. Other years, including this year, we have called the local family shelter and asked what age/sex kids are going to [...] 9726 42 50_Re: Children and services--suggestion and question0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:23:28 GMT572_US-ASCII

Dear Regina,

Many of us remember in the synagogue a worshipper, most often an older man, who would distribute candy to the children, perhaps as a bonus for coming to synagogue at an age when much of the service was less than familiar.

In my synagogues over the years, I've been both Rabbi and candyman, giving out candy when I go around with the Torah - based on a verse from the earliest part of the service to make the Torah sweet in our mouths - or when people come up on the bimah. Different populations have responded in different [...] 9769 39 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 03:34:00 GMT397_- Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: > What about Mi Y'Malel/Who can Retell? > Who can retell the things that befell us? > Who can count them? > In every age a hero or sage came to our aid. > Hark, in days of yore, in Israel's ancient land > Brave Macabeus led the faithful band > But now all Israel must as one arise, > Redeem itself thru deed and sacrifice. [...] 9809 29 32_Re: Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah14_Daniel Shoskes17_dshoskes@ucla.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:51:54 GMT416_- In article , bromberg@uiuc.edu (Ellis Bromberg) wrote:

> Be on the lookout for "Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah," a wonderful family > special on most PBS stations, next Monday, December 11 at 8 p.m. ET.

Lousy review in today's New York Times (12/11, page B2). "pedantic", "too long", overly cute, "seen too many Shirley MacLaine movies", "curious to say the least". [...] 9839 35 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 790_16_Sheilass@aol.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:34:31 GMT619_-

In a message dated 95-12-11 00:24:14 EST, you write:

>What do you think about Jews celebrating Christmas? In my opinion, Christmas is for those of Christian faith. It is not an American holiday. Jews, and other non-Christians such as Muslims, Hindus,atheists, etc. do not celebrate Christmas. There is nothing to celebrate. That doesn't mean that if one is invited to a Christmas party, one has to decline. There is a difference between celebrating a holiday and being a guest at one of its rituals. My four children-ages 29-14 all have friends of various faiths. They have shared in our holidays [...] 9875 118 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:45:30 GMT513_US-ASCII

Dear Irene,

I've been building a sukka every year since 1967, and I look forward to making a celebration on the 30th anniversary. I'm delighted to share different experiences.

> Are there any specific requirements? Any things that work particularly > well or should definitely be avoided? I'm particularly interested in ideas > that are easy enough to involve my 6 year old in the construction, that I > can build without ignoring the baby for substantial periods of time, and [...] 9994 65 37_Re: REQUEST for Torah refs re: family10_David Roth28_droth@copper.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:11:46 GMT506_- This thread started with: >>In condensed form, he said: "You are a girl, you are bad. You are the >>cause of all of the problems between your mother and myself. It is your >>fault that we got married at all. You should never have been born. All >>of your problems are because you are bad. The bible says that fathers >>may kill their children if they are bad, so it is my right to kill you if >>I choose. I am your father, I am your father, I am right, I do not >>make mistakes, I have the bible as [...] 10060 63 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?17_Philip Borenstein16_philipb@tiac.net29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 06:07:18 GMT336_- In article , Irene Bleiweiss wrote:

> Many of you said that you are planning to buy lights for your Sukkah > when they go on sale later this month. Sounds like fun...BUT how do > you build a Sukkah?

Some lumberyards, especially in the more Jewish areas, offer a sukkah kit. [...] 10124 74 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 8114_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:23:51 GMT580_us-ascii > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 03:34:00 GMT > From: robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) > Subject: Re: Hanukkah lyrics question > Message-ID: <4ait79$8rh@news.dgsys.com> > > Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: > > What about Mi Y'Malel/Who can Retell? > > > Who can retell the things that befell us? > > Who can count them? > > In every age a hero or sage came to our aid. > > Hark, in days of yore, in Israel's ancient land > > Brave Macabeus led the faithful band > > But now all Israel must as one arise, [...] 10199 41 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:50:11 GMT311_- Irene Bleiweiss writes: > ...BUT how do you build a Sukkah? > > Are there any specific requirements? Any things that work particularly > well or should definitely be avoided? I'm particularly interested in ideas > that are easy enough to involve my 6 year old in the construction, ... [...] 10241 97 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:14:34 GMT401_- >From article , by Irene Bleiweiss : > ... how do you build a Sukkah? > > Are there any specific requirements?

Yes, 3 closed sides, one of which may be as small as a handsbreadth, and a minimum dimension which is pretty small. The vegetation on the roof must be thick enough to cast a shawow but thin enough that you can see the stars through it. [...] 10339 26 21_Candy Man in the 90's15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:03:53 GMT393_US-ASCII In our shul, we don't have a candy man, we've got a sticker man. Again, an older member who finds all the kids and hands out stickers. Some of the stickers he has are really hilarious because he doles out all the free ones he gets in the mail. My kids love this guy, regardless of what kind of stickers he gives out. And I'm so thankful it ISN'T candy that I'm quite a fan, too. [...] 10366 57 33_Re: Chanukah pride (formerly TTS)14_Edward I. Klar19_edklar@pipeline.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:54:43 GMT414_- This reminds me of a similar story that occurred about 7 years ago.

A local radio station in NYC sponsored a daily call-in giveaway in December, where they gave away 12 different Gund stuffed animals to the child who managed to get through on the telephone contest line. This was promoted by the station as "a gift for the twelve days of Christmas". The DJ had a few standard questions he would ask. [...] 10424 829 69_soc.culture.jewish FAQ: Jewish Childrearing Related Questions (12/12)13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net26_12 Dec 1995 11:07:36 -0800711_- Archive-name: judaism/FAQ/12-Kids Soc-culture-jewish-archive-name: faq.12-Kids Posting-Frequency: Monthly

Frequently Asked Questions on Soc.Culture.Jewish Part 12: Jewish Childrearing Related Questions [Last Change: $Date: 1995/10/19 15:24:46 $ $Revision: 1.6 $] [Last Post: Sun May 7 11:07:07 1995]

This posting is an attempt to answer questions that are continually asked on soc.culture.jewish. It was written by cooperating laypeople from the various Judaic movements. You _should not_ make any assumption as to accuracy and/or authoritativeness of the answers provided herein. In all cases, it is always best to consult a competent authority--your local rabbi is a good place to start. [...] 11254 70 64_long distance commuting to raise kids in larger Jewish community7_MRisman15_mrisman@aol.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:08:58 GMT594_- My husband and I have a dilemna we are wondering if anyone else has faced. Currently, we live in College Station, TX, as he is on the faculty at Texas A & M. We have two sons, ages 3-1/2 years and 3 months. The Jewish community here is quite small (one small Reform congregation and a Reform-oriented Hillel) and inadequate for our needs and preferences. Though I dislike pidgeon-holing with the "denominational" labels, our level of observance would probable be best described as being on the stricter side of Conservative practise. (e.g. We have a kosher-vegetarian home, more or less [...] 11325 44 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:15:01 GMT564_US-ASCII

This is what Philip Borenstein says : > > Steven Weintraub (stevenw@pencom.com) posted plans for an excellent > reusable sukkah. I built it this year, and it was roomy, sturdy, and > childproof. The main thing for the children to do is to decorate. While > three of us older folk raised the structure, the children made paper > chains, popcorn garlands, drew pictures, etc. > > The initial setup takes some drilling and a bit of sawing, but once you > have all the pieces, it should go together pretty easily. It took me about > six hours to [...] 11370 34 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America11_Lane Singer18_lsinger@netcom.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:28:58 GMT535_- Gwen A Orel (gaost3+@pitt.edu) wrote: : It's true, earlier in this century many Jews celebrated : Christmas as an "American" holiday. My mother's family did (no : tree though) and they belonged to an orthodox shul! and her : father went to shul three times a week.

: So when we were little we also had Santa-- not really Christmas, : but Christmas presents, and Santa. And I have to say, much : as we loved it (Xmas beat Hannuka to H**l) I would NOT do it. : It's confusing. And 2nd rate Xmas is worse than none I think. [...] 11405 31 15_Re: Baby naming18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:46:37 GMT369_- In article <30C89E55@adminbldg.lan1.umanitoba.ca> "Diamond, Stacy" writes: >We would like to have a traditional name, but at the same time nothing that >is too different or old fashioned. I don't know why, but I am equally >attracted and repelled by the name Asher. What does everyone think? Will >non-Jews make fun of him? [...] 11437 29 27_Re: Another naming question12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:16:01 GMT332_- Steven R Weintraub (stevenw@pencom.com) wrote: : My Hebrew name is just Yisrael, from the Sarah (no Rose/Shoshana/Vered : in it). This was done by simply adding a Yod and a Lamed to Sarah : (Sarah is Shin Resh Hey, Yisrael is Yod Shin Resh Hey Lamed).

Just to be accurate, although this is off-topic for this group... [...] 11467 35 37_Re: REQUEST for Torah refs re: family0_13_astri@asu.edu29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 04:19:27 GMT569_US-ASCII u> <4ahsgq$o5k@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> <4aiod2$906@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>

I want to thank all who replied to my request (both directly in email and posting) for references. I found the comments useful.

I would also briefly like to assure you that she is currently safe and in treatment with a professional therapist (who is not jewish, which is how this thread got started in the first place....). My purpose was to give her information to work on with her therapist. She's not yet ready to talk to a rabbi, which was my first suggestion. [...] 11503 46 27_Re: Another naming question15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 03:09:07 GMT278_- > Alan Houser (troop24@emf.net) wrote: > : We did exactly that with our first born. We wanted to name him after my > : father, Harry, but could not find any "H" names that we liked. Instead, we > : took the end of his name, with a name that we really, really liked: Ari. [...] 11550 47 15_Hannukah lyrics14_Scott-Thoennes17_sthoenna@PEAK.ORG29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 06:47:55 GMT387_US-ASCII

Malvina Reynolds has a Hannukah song on one of her albums:

"Eight Candles shine for the Maccabees Eight Candles shine for the Maccabees Down from the mountain with liberty's sword they came like the flames of the Lord

Chorus: Dance the hora light the menorah this is a time of joy the road to freedom we take today with the Maccabees leading the way" [...] 11598 49 21_Words to Chanuka song11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:32:03 GMT455_US-ASCII If you can take one more post on this subject: there's one line missing.

Maiko said: > I have a Hanukkah song running through my head that I do not > know all the words to, and I was wondering if those of you with young > children might know the full words. It is as follows: > > Oh Hanukkah oh Hanukkah, Come light the menorah > Let's have a party, We'll all dance the hora > Shining tops to play with and latkes to eat... (I think) [...] 11648 40 51_what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 18:38:35 GMT341_US-ASCII

>Considering everyone here is into Hebrew names, we just formally converted >or adopted daughters, one has a hebrew name in English already (Aviva) and >the other Jenna Rose, we named Shoshanna ( means Rose). My husband now >must pick a Hebrew name. But in English it is Christopher. Does anyone >have any suggestions. [...] 11689 25 55_Re: what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:16:17 GMT371_- Arlene Rimer (arimer@wimsey.com) wrote: : Considering everyone here is into Hebrew names, we just formally converted : or adopted daughters, one has a hebrew name in English already (Aviva) and : the other Jenna Rose, we named Shoshanna ( means Rose). My husband now : must pick a Hebrew name. But in English it is Christopher. Does anyone : have any suggestions. [...] 11715 38 16_Re: Dreidl rules15_Martin M. Cohen15_mcohen@ucla.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 06:25:39 GMT586_- In article <4ahmct$p1g@crcnis3.unl.edu>, kfranklo@unlinfo.unl.edu (karen franklopez) wrote:

> This year we will be helping my husband's large family celebrate > Christmas. Since we will be going to see them on 12/21 thru X-mas, I > asked my sister-in-law if it would be okay to bring my menorah so I > could light the Chanukah candles. She was thrilled and said she'd > love her kids to see how we celebrated Chanukah. I bought my 3 > nieces/nefews dreidls and chocolate gelt but I have forgotten the > rules for the game. Could someone please post them. > The rules have [...] 11754 27 20_Bar Mitzvah Presents12_Arlene Rimer17_arimer@wimsey.com29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:49:48 GMT451_us-ascii Someone just asked me today for advice on what's a good thing to buy these days for a Bar Mitzvah. I saw some posts the other day, but they are gone now. The Bar Mitzvah's in January could some post again or some more.



Thanks

Arlene arimer@wimsey.com



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 11782 37 23_Re: How to play Dreidl?47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:17:36 GMT422_- >From article , by plb@cogpsy.uni-trier.de (Peter Brusilovsky): > I was really impressed by the message that we all "memory makers for our > children". > > I think we can do more in this aspect for our kids. So is the question - > can someone describe or (if this question is too trivial for US Jews) at > least send me a one-page description from any book HOW TO PLAY Dreidl? [...] 11820 80 11_Baby naming0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:14:57 GMT395_-

>I'm curious if there's anyone who has had any bad experiences >as a result of their children having a Jewish name, such as >Sara or Aaron, names that we are considering.

I think there's more to this question than meets the eye, for becoming comfortable with Hebrew names, Jewish names, etc. is really part of the whole process of becoming secure in one's Jewish identity. [...] 11901 35 30_Family Members with same names15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:27:39 GMT577_- Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the same name?

For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew name and/or English name? Would this be considered similar to a "curse" on the first born cousin? My understanding of the origins of the Ashkenazie tradition against same-naming was that the Angel of death shouldn't come looking for an old relative and mistakenly take the young namesake. [...] 11937 75 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 17:07:00 GMT631_US-ASCII

Dear Naf,

Speaking for myself and our family practice, we have celebrated only Jewish holidays and those American holidays specfically American, eg. Thanksgiving or July 4th, and not Halloween, etc. We have believed that what is practiced in the home is far more important than what is practiced anywhere else in the child's world. OUtside the home, our children have visited friends, helped with their trees, sung carols in the hospital, and all have grown up quite happy with being Jewish but friendly with their neighbors and appreciative of the beauty of their holidays. All this openness and I am [...] 12013 28 16_CTTS 3 years old15_Claire Petersky28_petersky@chinook.halcyon.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 03:42:48 GMT490_- Like many people on the West Coast, we had a big windstorm and we lost power late last night. The power was still off in the morning, so I had set up several lit candles on the dining room table before breakfast.

Rose, who has heard that Chanuka is coming, and that a part of the celebration is the lighting of candles, came wandering into the dining room in the morning after getting out of bed. She grew alarmed at seeing the candles, and shouted, "It's not Harmonica yet!" [...] 12042 77 14_new subscriber0_16_ldwolf@shani.net29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:54:48 GMT358_US-ASCII

You asked for new subscribers to introduce ourselves.

We live in Metar, Israel (between Beer Sheva and Arad) in a beautiful suburban community which we were involved in building from its planning stages.

We have eight fantastic kids, thank G-d, ranging in age from 20 to 2 years of age--each one is a total delight to us. [...] 12120 39 34_Re: Family Members with same names9_Ted Alper25_alper@Ockham.Stanford.EDU29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:51:45 GMT461_- In Irene Bleiweiss writes:

>Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions >concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the >same name? For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased >grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew >name and/or English name? Would this be considered similar to a "curse" >on the first born cousin? [...] 12160 26 20_Weinerville Chanukah12_David Isaacs19_XBCK66B@prodigy.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:00:43 GMT373_-

Thursday 12/14 at 8:00 PM Nick is showing a Weinerville Chanukah. Set those VCRs.

Chag Someach

David Isaacs Ari's old man xbck66b@prodigy.com

One more cookie Pleeeaaassseee



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 12187 40 34_Re: Family Members with same names11_Seth Grimes23_grimes@access.digex.net29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:06:08 GMT603_- Irene Bleiweiss writes:

>Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions >concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the >same name?

If you don't mind a response by examples: my mother gave me the Hebrew name Shlomo in memory of her brother (Solomon) even though her brother-in- law is named Shlomo. In this case, the second person with the same name is not a blood relation and he's also geographically distant and we're talking about a name I don't use everyday. (Of course, in most instances where I do use a Hebrew name, [...] 12228 41 55_Re: what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@ccsg.tau.ac.il29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 06:26:38 GMT635_US-ASCII



On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Seth Grimes wrote:

> In soc.culture.jewish.parenting you write: > > >Another option: Yehoshua, which was, after all, the Hebrew name of Jesus. > > I thought it was Yeshua. At least I'm pretty sure that Yeshua is what > the Jews for Jesus use. Of course I don't spend much time thinking about > this subject. > > Seth > -- > > Seth Grimes -- grimes@access.digex.net -- http://www.access.digex.net/~grimes > Your point is well-taken, especially with the modern Hebrew references using "Yeshu." I believe, however, this comes from the interest in distinguishing that reference is [...] 12270 28 18_Re: OOPS on lyrics10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:17:15 GMT257_- Sherri Shulman (sherri@cse.ogi.edu) wrote: : : I just posted this: : : How about this one? : : In the window where you can see the glow : from my menorah on newly fallen snow. : I will set thee one little candle on : this the first night of Hanukah. [...] 12299 22 15_Jewish software0_16_nkf@vnet.ibm.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:28:42 GMT290_- Hi all, Can anyone recommend good Jewish themed software for children aged 3-5? Thanx.

- Nancy nkf@vnet.ibm.com



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 12322 24 21_Brit Milah/Conversion18_Weinshel - John R.24_weinshel@marlowe.umd.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:01:33 GMT492_- My wife and I are having a baby in May. Our first child was a daughter and having already decided to raise our children Jewish had her converted when she was about a month and a half. We brought her to the Mikvah in Providence, RI. My question is what to do if it is a boy. How do you convert a baby and have a bris in eight days. I was raised in the conservative movement and so I would like it to be "legal" from their point of view. Can anyone explain it to me? Any good resources? [...] 12347 31 18_Re: OOPS on lyrics14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:18:19 GMT337_- In article <4anfsr$h94@news4.digex.net>, Eric Simon wrote: >Sherri Shulman (sherri@cse.ogi.edu) wrote: >: In the window where you can see the glow >: from my menorah on newly fallen snow. >: I will set thee one little candle on >: this the first night of Hanukah. > >A melody, a melody, I need a melody! [...] 12379 36 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:22:42 GMT399_- Naphtali C. Visser (nafnaf@cs.bu.edu) wrote: : What do you think about Jews celebrating Christmas?

The biggest irony of all is that Chanukah was also a battle of sorts between the religious-traditionalist Jews and the Hellenistic-assimilating Jews.

We are Jews today because the traditionalists won.

So now what? The very same holiday has adopted trappings of Christmas. [...] 12416 46 27_Yet Another Naming Question14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:15:18 GMT593_- Well, I think I'll join the ranks as the third Robin/Robyn to ask a new baby naming question:

We are expecting our second child in June (yes that was an announcement!) and will be naming him/her after my husband's mother Sema (same in English and Hebrew) and her father Michael/Mechel.

1) For a girl, there seem to be a wide variety of 'S' names available (in English), so although we haven't gotten even close to choosing one yet, I don't think we'll have a problem finding something we both like (however, suggestions, either of S names or other meaningful alternatives [...] 12463 38 8_Re: xmas14_Alice Schubach27_aa909@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:29:04 GMT532_-

In a previous article, karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) says:

>Perhaps the teacher is simply unaware that Christmas is not a >limitless source of joy for all children. I might compare it to a >birthday party to which most, but not all, of the kids in the class >were invited. It wouldn't be nice to the uninvited kids for the >birthday girl to hand out invitations in class and for all the invited >children to spend the whole week planning for it, in fact some schools >have rules against this sort of thing. [...] 12502 51 15_Re: Baby naming15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:31:19 GMT635_- Someone wrote:

> >I'm curious if there's anyone who has had any bad experiences > >as a result of their children having a Jewish name, such as > >Sara or Aaron, names that we are considering.

I think that the 30somethings, 40somethings, and older people you ask may well have such experiences to relate. In 1959, my folks named me "Robin" because Rachel and Rebecca were far too biblical. And, like many other Jews of their generation--and their parents' generation--they considered changing their obviously Jewish surname. Employment prospects were slim, and regardless of family pride, putting food on the table [...] 12554 43 34_Re: Family Members with same names19_Cheryl Birkner Mack27_dd279@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:36:14 GMT625_-

Reply to message from IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov of Mon, 11 Dec > >Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions >concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the >same name? > >For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased >grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew >name and/or English name? Would this be considered similar to a "curse" >on the first born cousin? My understanding of the origins of the >Ashkenazie tradition against same-naming was that the Angel of death >shouldn't come looking for an old relative and mistakenly take [...] 12598 71 16_names of cousins0_16_ldwolf@shani.net29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 06:59:53 GMT456_US-ASCII

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----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 fcc.gov7.tcp... 550 Host unknown 550 ... Host unknown [...] 12670 66 23_Re: How to play Dreidl?14_Rick Goldstein23_hfg@scylla.colorado.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:14:17 GMT498_- >>>>> "DJ" == Douglas W Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879 writes: In article <4aie6g$g4s@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) writes:



DJ> The game is biased slightly in favor of the first to spin, so DJ> let the person with the lowest capital spin first.

Um, using the word 'slightly' to describe the bias in favor of the first player is a master stroke of understatement. :-) [...] 12737 52 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:57:24 GMT395_US-ASCII

Dear John,

Mazal Tov to you and your wife. May the birth be in good health for one and all.

The first and best response is to speak with the local Conservative Rabbi and/or the one with whom you worked with your daughter's conversion. He will be able to help you with the mohel and mikvah and answer all questions in a personal manner with you and your wife. [...] 12790 24 55_Re: what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher5_LDarr13_ldarr@aol.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:04:51 GMT421_- I like the name I chose for myself. Choosing a name is important. I suggest paying very close attention to the Torah readings each week and selecting a name which reflects your temperment or an attribute which you admire. ===Michael ben Avraham Avenu Lee Darr, LMSW-ACP,LPC,LMFT Psychotherapy and Growth Clinic of Dallas, P.C. 12700 Hillcrest Road, Suite 207 Dallas, TX 75230 Voice:(214)458-2656 Fax:(214)386-5676 [...] 12815 37 53_Hebrew name book reference (was Name for Christopher)12_Sophie Miron21_soph@OCF.Berkeley.EDU29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 01:54:21 GMT451_- The most extensive collection of Hebrew names *I've* seen is in a book given to me by a friend when I got pregnant. It's very useful because it not only has names and their meanings but also rates them in terms of their popularity in Israel and gives nicknames as well. The only part I thought was tacky was the section on naming twins and triplets. I went around for months saying, "That's it, if I have twins, I'm naming them Gog and Magog!" [...] 12853 56 34_Re: Family Members with same names15_Jerry B Altzman29_jbaltz@watsun.cc.columbia.edu29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 00:30:42 GMT441_- In article , Irene Bleiweiss wrote: >Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions >concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the >same name?

Yes, it seems to be widely accepted.

>For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased >grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew >name and/or English name? [...] 12910 25 55_Re: what's a Hebrew name for someone who is Christopher16_Richard M. Nixon15_dick@tricky.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:12:41 GMT462_- In article <4anfr1$h94@news4.digex.net> erics@access2.digex.net (Eric Simon) writes: >Arlene Rimer (arimer@wimsey.com) wrote: >: Considering everyone here is into Hebrew names, we just formally converted >: or adopted daughters, one has a hebrew name in English already (Aviva) and >: the other Jenna Rose, we named Shoshanna ( means Rose). My husband now >: must pick a Hebrew name. But in English it is Christopher. Does anyone >: have any suggestions. [...] 12936 27 15_CTTS (HANNUKAH)14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:16:28 GMT565_- Tovah was watching one of her Hannukah tapes. The people on the tape were making latkes. Tovah was very impressed, she said, "They make latkes the hard way, with potatoes and everything!" (As opposed to Mommy, who opens a box!)

My baby is in a non-Jewish daycare. They have a huge Xmas tree right by the entrance. Eliana is fascinated by the tree. I finally taught her to say "We don't celebrate Xmas, we celebrate Hannukah. Yesterday whe we got to day care, Eliana pointed to every ornament on the tree and said "We don't celebrate THAT and we don't [...] 12964 37 15_Re: Baby naming12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:11:55 GMT330_- Andrew Brooke (abrooke@terraport.net) wrote: > As soon to be parents, I'm curious if there's anyone who > has had any bad experiences as a result of their children > having a Jewish name, such as Sara or Aaron, names that we are considering.

> Does it carry a risk of anti-semitism as children and later in on life? [...] 13002 50 28_Re: Hanukkah lyrics question15_Martin M. Cohen15_mcohen@ucla.edu29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 06:18:10 GMT591_- In article <9512062131.AA05908@norad.pencom.com>, Steven R Weintraub wrote:



> I said I could find the Yiddish and after tearing apart our synagogue > I found it : > > Chanukah, Oy Chanukah! A yomtov a sheyner! > A lustiger a freylicher! Nitoh noch azoiner! > Alle nacht in dredlach shpilen mir; > Zidik heyse latkets, est on a shir. > Geshvinder tzindt kinder, di dininke lichtelach on. > > Zingt al hanisim Libt G-t far di nisim, > Un kumt gicher tanzen in kon > (repeat last two lines) > > I leave translation to someone who knows Yiddish better [...] 13053 25 17_Tzedaka Practices8_HTMG/W9422_mcahlon@acs.ryerson.ca29_Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:00:11 GMT429_-

I've seen a few posts so far that deal with having children pick out toys and distribute them personally at a family shelter or hospital during the holidays. I wonder if this is the best choice. Wouldn't _matan ba'seter_ or giving charity in secret (so the giver does not know the receiver and is not embarrased) be more useful? Has anyone else felt uncertain about this? Cordially, Michal. mcahlon@acs.ryerson.ca [...] 13079 41 25_sukkah building 101-reply0_36_Metzgerda@libraryserver.lib.csus.edu29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:10:29 GMT524_-

We built a Sukkah for the first time this year, ate in it every night and had a sleep over party in it on Shabbat. Sukkot may soon rival Pesach as my favorite holiday.

I'm not sure if ours was kosher, but it was easy to build. We bought 8 ft. PVC type pipe (it wasn't actually PCV but something similar, the diameter of the pipe around 31/2 inches) and joints. It was a grown-up version of tinker toys. As I recall there were 2 pipes along the top to hold the greenery. It was steady but we have young [...] 13121 50 24_Re: Sukkah Building 101?18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:31:09 GMT556_US-ASCII This is what Philip Borenstein says : > > Steven Weintraub (stevenw@pencom.com) posted plans for an excellent > reusable sukkah. I built it this year, and it was roomy, sturdy, and > childproof. The main thing for the children to do is to decorate. While > three of us older folk raised the structure, the children made paper > chains, popcorn garlands, drew pictures, etc. > > The initial setup takes some drilling and a bit of sawing, but once you > have all the pieces, it should go together pretty easily. It took me about > six hours to [...] 13172 28 33_Children lighting menorahs (rcpt)13_ann i schrage27_i001703@disch3.disc.dla.mil29_Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:29:56 GMT477_- I haven't been able to follow the whole thread about children lighting menorahs, so if this has been suggested before, I apologize. When my oldest daughter was little we were at a crafts fair. Someone had created a beautiful menorah out of wood that took crayons as candles. Cindy loved it, and as I lit the flame burning candles, she lit "her" menorah. The menorah was passed down to her little sister, Debra, who also loves to be lighting her own menorah. Ann Schrage [...] 13201 49 17_Chanuka o chanuka0_16_ldwolf@shani.net29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:17:00 GMT507_US-ASCII Received: from teleport702.shani.co.il by shani.net (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20932; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:40:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:22:24 +0200 From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <9512140722.AA20932@shani.net> To:

----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown [...] 13251 61 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:29:40 GMT439_- HTMG/W94 (mcahlon@acs.ryerson.ca) wrote:

: I've seen a few posts so far that deal with having children pick : out toys and distribute them personally at a family shelter or : hospital during the holidays. I wonder if this is the best choice. : Wouldn't _matan ba'seter_ or giving charity in secret (so the giver : does not know the receiver and is not embarrased) be more useful? : Has anyone else felt uncertain about this? [...] 13313 32 4_Xmas0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:38:00 GMT571_- Alice Schubach writes: <, mcohen@ucla.edu (Martin M. Cohen) wrote: > > And please, the plural of draydl is dreydlakh ;-) > Opps! Obvious typo. "draydlakh". Sorry.

Martin

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 13369 31 27_Re: Another naming question10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:32:56 GMT511_- Robin Netherton (robin@dgsys.com) wrote: : > Alan Houser (troop24@emf.net) wrote: : > : We did exactly that with our first born. We wanted to name him after my : > : father, Harry, but could not find any "H" names that we liked. Instead, we : > : took the end of his name, with a name that we really, really liked: Ari. : : We had a similar situation, and similar solution, with our firstborn. My : great-uncle's name was Chaim, and he used Herman in the U.S. Same : problem: No good H-names in English. [...] 13401 68 28_Dreidel/Grogger significance15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:19:58 GMT432_- Another newslist to which I subscribe recently posted a very spiritual explanation of the Chanukah dreidel and the Purim grogger. As kids love both of these Jewish-related toys, I've attached it below, thinking that members of this news group might also find this interesting to share with their kids. I know it will spark discussion at our house. Information about how to get the group's mailings directly is also included. [...] 13470 47 39_Study Abroad - High School in Israel!!!16_Benjamin Leavitt15_bleavitt@bu.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 03:40:10 GMT552_- When I was a sophmore in high school I spent the year attending The America Israel High School at Kibbutz Beit Hashita.

This program offers an outstanding opportunity for high school students to enhance their backgrounds with an international experience that is unparalleled by any other program.

Participants spend 10 months, a full school year in Israel. During the year, the students are completely encompassed by kibbutz life and Israeli society. they form a special bond between themselves, the land, and the State of Israel. [...] 13518 36 29_A Hebrew Name for Christopher15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:09:38 GMT494_- In response to an ongoing thread -- I am puzzled by the suggestion that a new Jew with an English name of Christopher might take the name Mesiach as a Hebrew name upon conversion to keep the name's Christ derivations. I saw this suggestion in Rabbi Kolatch's baby naming book too, with Mesiach translated as Messiah. Wouldn't bestowing the name Mesiach on such a theory be based on a view of Jesus as Messiah? Wouldn't that be contrary to the person's becoming a Jew in the first place? [...] 13555 22 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion0_16_Zamenhof@aol.com29_Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:53:45 GMT314_-

Generally, a mohel will do a de-facto conversion at the time of the bris. For an infant, this is easy, since he does not have to give his consent. This means however, that at age 13, technically he could rescind his conversion (God forbid!) Ask the mohel for details of his practice in this matter. [...] 13578 35 29_Latka Recipe For School- HELP10_TerryM244218_terrym2442@aol.com29_Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:59:01 GMT391_- I hope I'm posting this in the right place, but my daughter's class is expecting me to make latkas (50) at their holiday party on Wednesday. I won't have time to make the batter in class so was wondering if anyone could tell me how to keep the batter fresh, if made the night before, so I can just fry them up in school the next day. How do you keep the potatoes from turning brown?? [...] 13614 75 68_Re: long distance commuting to raise kids in larger Jewish community15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:53:31 GMT406_- Hi:

In 1987 we made a decision to move our family from Buffalo, New York to Toronto, Ontario Canada. The distance between the two cities is about 120 miles. My husband continued to work in Buffalo and I worked in Toronto, while our children were enrolled in schools in TO. We did it because our daughters were ready for high school and there was no Jewish education in Buffalo after grade 8. [...] 13690 40 33_Re: A Hebrew Name for Christopher18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Sat, 16 Dec 1995 05:13:52 GMT657_-

[Moderator's note: this discussion is straying away from parenting issues. I'd like to request subsequent posts on this issue focus on naming a child, and the repercusions thereof.]

In article Irene Bleiweiss writes: >In response to an ongoing thread -- I am puzzled by the suggestion that a >new Jew with an English name of Christopher might take the name >Mesiach as a Hebrew name upon conversion to keep the name's Christ >derivations. I saw this suggestion in Rabbi Kolatch's baby naming book >too, with Mesiach translated as Messiah. Wouldn't bestowing the name >Mesiach on such a theory [...] 13731 82 34_Jewish Children's Adoption Network14_Leon A. Metlay35_lmetlay@acu.pathology.rochester.edu29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:34:00 GMT429_us-ascii I've only been lurking here for a short time, so I hope this isn't repetitious. My wife and I have adopted two "special needs" children. Nelli had spina bifida and died two years ago at the age of six, of complications of her birth defects. Hannah (b. 12/23/93) is profoundly deaf, but otherwise wonderful. At some future time I intend to ask for some advice about Hanni, but that isn't my main focus in this post. [...] 13814 39 34_Re: Family Members with same names15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:04:10 GMT646_- On Dec 11, 1995 09:27:39 in article , 'Irene Bleiweiss ' wrote:

>Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions >concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the >same name? > >For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased >grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew >name and/or English name? Would this be considered similar to a "curse" >on the first born cousin? My understanding of the origins of the >Ashkenazie tradition against same-naming was that the Angel of death >shouldn't come looking for [...] 13854 28 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 04:13:23 GMT543_- In article <4ao7iu$b0q@hecate.umd.edu> weinshel@marlowe.umd.edu (Weinshel - John R.) writes: >My wife and I are having a baby in May. Our first child was a daughter >and having already decided to raise our children Jewish had her converted >when she was about a month and a half. We brought her to the Mikvah in >Providence, RI. My question is what to do if it is a boy. How do you >convert a baby and have a bris in eight days. I was raised in the >conservative movement and so I would like it to be "legal" from their >point of view. [...] 13883 97 23_Raising Children Jewish0_21_Roger.Kurland@gsa.gov29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:15:13 GMT486_- [Moderator's note: Further discussion that veers exclusively into discussions of faith, BT, and so forth, will be (respectfully) directed to s.c.j. or to private email. Thanks; we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. -- Your Moderator]

For the sake of brevity I will not include all of the prior "quotes". The main thrust of this discussion has been to clarify definitions and agree upon 'givens' in regard to our objective in "Raising Children Jewish". [...] 13981 91 5_Names14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:36:03 GMT327_us-ascii Robyn wrote: > > Well, I think I'll join the ranks as the third Robin/Robyn to ask a new > baby naming question: > > We are expecting our second child in June (yes that was an announcement!) > and will be naming him/her after my husband's mother Sema (same in English > and Hebrew) and her father Michael/Mechel. [...] 14073 54 33_Re: Latka Recipe For School- HELP11_Alan Houser15_troop24@emf.net29_Sun, 17 Dec 1995 05:56:45 GMT442_- TerryM2442 (terrym2442@aol.com) wrote: : I hope I'm posting this in the right place, but my daughter's class is : expecting me to make latkas (50) at their holiday party on Wednesday. I : won't have time to make the batter in class so was wondering if anyone : could tell me how to keep the batter fresh, if made the night before, so I : can just fry them up in school the next day. How do you keep the potatoes : from turning brown?? [...] 14128 37 21_Re: Bar Mitzvah gifts38_soc.culture.jewish.parenting committee25_scjp@shamash.nysernet.org29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:28:45 GMT359_US-ASCII

In article <49r6l1$hh5@news1.usa.pipeline.com>, writes: > > On Nov 30, 1995 14:10:58 in article , > > > >How about the old standby of a pair of tefillin? Would you believe a > siddur or > >Tehillim? > > Wouldn't they already have tefillin in preparation for Bar Mitzvah? > Barbara, [...] 14166 63 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion10_David Roth28_droth@copper.ucs.indiana.edu29_Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:21:47 GMT543_- In article <4ao7iu$b0q@hecate.umd.edu>, Weinshel - John R. wrote: >My wife and I are having a baby in May. Our first child was a daughter >and having already decided to raise our children Jewish had her converted >when she was about a month and a half. We brought her to the Mikvah in >Providence, RI. My question is what to do if it is a boy. How do you >convert a baby and have a bris in eight days. I was raised in the >conservative movement and so I would like it to be "legal" from their >point of view. [...] 14230 30 20_Re: names of cousins18_Jeremy W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 04:28:00 GMT546_- I firmly believe that each child should have his or her own unique name. When naming for relatives passed away, it is my families custom to use the full first name of the relative (rather than just the first letter) but it is usually placed as the middle name of the child. My wife, however, is Sephardic. All of her brothers have used their mothers first name or fathers first name as the middle name of their first daughters or sons. We have one daughter, and the relative to honor was non-negotiable. My mother in law is Simone and our [...] 14261 54 34_Re: Family Members with same names15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:45:13 GMT371_- Irene Bleiweiss (IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov) wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any Ashkenazie (sp?) traditions > concerning giving two or more children in the same extended family the > same name?

> For example, if two cousins both wanted to honor a deceased > grandparent, could both give their kids the same grandparent's Hebrew > name and/or English name?... [...] 14316 32 37_Re: REQUEST for Torah refs re: family10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:14:44 GMT429_- astri@asu.edu wrote: : u> <4ahsgq$o5k@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> <4aiod2$906@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> : : I want to thank all who replied to my request (both directly in email and : posting) for references. I found the comments useful.

I hope it's not too late to add one more reply (two more thoughts):

1. Someone else in this thread correctly pointed out that the Talmud helps us clarify what the Torah says. [...] 14349 53 25_sukkah building 101-reply18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:34:50 GMT277_US-ASCII I realize this is getting off group charter a little. But Sukkot seems like it is one of the most fun holidays for the children of people I know who celebrate it, that anyway I can help parents with this I'd like to. Can I please have the moderator's indulgence. [...] 14403 77 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:33:13 GMT350_- On Dec 16, 1995 12:53:45 in article , 'Zamenhof@aol.com' wrote:



> >Generally, a mohel will do a de-facto conversion at the time of the bris. For >an infant, this is easy, since he does not have to give his consent. This means >however, that at age 13, technically he could rescind his conversion (God [...] 14481 25 33_Re: Latka Recipe For School- HELP0_16_jbalgley@bbn.com29_Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:46:32 GMT485_- In article <4av8e5$ncv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, terrym2442@aol.com says... > >...How do you keep the potatoes >from turning brown?? >

I have grated the potatoes (and onions too, I think) the night before and covered them with water. Kept them from turning, and I don't recall any ill effects on the outcome.



* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 14507 29 8_Re: Xmas19_Olga from the Volga16_olga1@netcom.com29_Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:07:21 GMT617_- Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote:

>Alice Schubach writes: ><Many well-meaning Christians actually "feel sorry" for us, for being >(as they perceive it), "left out" of Christmas. The analogy of the kid >who is not invited to the birthday party tends to play right into that >concept. It's not that we are not "invited" to Christmas ... In fact, >of course, it's just the opposite, we are way too much "invited" to >partake of a holiday that we don't believe in! And, this child's teacher >might compassionately try to get [...] 14537 30 4_JCCs0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:53:00 GMT534_- I have run into a very frustrating problem. I'm looking for an extra-curricular music, movement or drama class for my 4 1/2 year old son. My preference would be to do it at a JCC rather than a YMCA so that there could be some Jewish content. However, I may have to choose the YMCA. Why? Because the Y allows non-members to register for classes, whereas our JCC only allows you to do that once. The JCC membership is a lot more than the YMCA membership, and I can't possibly afford it. I am finding this incredibly frustrating. [...] 14568 47 12_Hebrew Names25_Roth, Sharon J. (MS-Mail)15_sroth@kraft.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:12:00 GMT361_-

I would like to give our boy/girl twins Hebrew names after deceased relatives. For a variety of reasons too complicated to get into, we do not know, however, what the Hebrew names were for these relatives. I would welcome any suggestions.

For my son, Adam: I would like to give him a Hebrew name related to my father, whose name was Paul. [...] 14616 29 15_Jewish Adoption15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:24:35 GMT635_- I was glad to see a positive post about the organization that is helpful in arranging Jewish adoption. I would be interested in hearing the experiences of other parents, especially intermarried parents, who have adopted or considered adoption. My husband and I have been considering adoption but had pretty much ruled out Jewish-related organizations. A friend of ours who looked into the option here in Washington, D.C. found that the local Jewish Services organization (not the national organization listed in the post) would only consider families in which both parents were Jewish, even though in most cases the children up [...] 14646 39 25_Re: Brit Milah/Conversion11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:53:35 GMT408_- carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com (Barbara Pollack) writes: > [snip] > > Our youngest son's Bar Mitzvah celebration will be held next spring > although his thirteenth birthday was last month. It wasn't deliberate--he > just couldn't cope with the Bar Mitzvah prep class on top of starting > middle school--and he would have one of the youngest in that group as well > as probably the only sixth-grader. > [...] 14686 34 5_JCC's15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:31:56 GMT442_US-ASCII Meredith asks about JCC membership for her son. The JCC in our community (Meredith and I live in the same town) has a very generous scholarship program. You could join for less money than you could at the local Y. In addition, the JCC has special 3 month memberships that enable you to take a class or use the pool in the winter. This would be more expensive in the long run, if you chose to continue your membership afterward. [...] 14721 31 16_7-holder menorah0_16_ValLipow@aol.com29_Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:32:40 GMT510_-

My aunt visited Israel last year. This week, she sent my not-yet-two year old son, Ethan, a small (5" high) menorah she bought in Jerusalem.She sent it to Ethan as a Hannukah gift. (So we opened it early.) It has seven candle-holders.

I'm confused; what's the significance of this candelabra? It's metal, with the words in English) "Shalom" and "Jerusalem" on it. With seven, rather than nine, holders for candles (Hunnukah candles would fit them) it apparently isn't a Hannukah menorah. [...] 14753 102 68_Re: long distance commuting to raise kids in larger Jewish community13_Sheldon Nider14_shel@gov.nt.ca29_Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:40:48 GMT648_- In article <4akr1a$dsb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mrisman@aol.com (MRisman) writes: >My husband and I have a dilemna we are wondering if anyone else has faced. >Currently, we live in College Station, TX, as he is on the faculty at >Texas A & M. >We have two sons, ages 3-1/2 years and 3 months. The Jewish community >here >is quite small (one small Reform congregation and a Reform-oriented >Hillel) and >inadequate for our needs and preferences. Though I dislike pidgeon-holing >with >the "denominational" labels, our level of observance would probable be >best >described as being on the stricter side of Conservative practise. (e.g. >We have [...] 14856 35 14_Chanukah songs11_dana siegel21_dana.siegel@zhora.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:38:40 GMT282_- At a Chanukah party at our local temple, this evening, the Cantor had several more verses to "I Had A Little Dreidel", and we all thought they were cute. Here they are:

I had a little dreidel, I made it out of ice, and then the dreidel melted, which wasn't very nice. [...] 14892 90 33_Re: Latka Recipe For School- HELP15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:08:58 GMT564_- Following up on Alan's suggestions, instead of using fresh eggs, you might want to use pasteurized eggs from the dairy case. It saves the mess of breaking so many eggs and cuts down on health risks.

Kids usually love to grate potatoes. Save at least a few for them to do (with supervision of course). You can give the kids a chemistry lesson in preventing color change even if you don't use their efforts. It will help keep them away from the frying--and reduce the torture of waiting for enough latkes to be ready. Otherwise, you might want to bake [...] 14983 43 16_Re: Hebrew Names17_Jerry W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:18:14 GMT515_us-ascii

> For a variety of reasons too complicated to get into, we do not know, > however, what the Hebrew names were for these relatives. I would welcome > any suggestions.

I have been involved in Jewish genealogical research on my family tree for some time now. I have had surprising success in discovering Hebrew names of relatives when they were not known by anybody. You might consider doing a little research along these lines if that is indeed a possibility (I understand it may not be) [...] 15027 55 12_Latka recipe14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:50:57 GMT490_us-ascii Terry wrote: > > I hope I'm posting this in the right place, but my daughter's class is > expecting me to make latkas (50) at their holiday party on Wednesday. I > won't have time to make the batter in class so was wondering if anyone > could tell me how to keep the batter fresh, if made the night before, so I > can just fry them up in school the next day. How do you keep the potatoes > from turning brown?? > > Since we are only one of 3 Jewish families in the class, I'd [...] 15083 34 20_Re: 7-holder menorah17_Jerry W. Forstadt16_forstadt@asu.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:32:58 GMT581_us-ascii

ValLipow@aol.com wrote: > My aunt visited Israel last year. This week, she sent my not-yet-two year > old > son, Ethan, a small (5" high) menorah she bought in Jerusalem.She sent it to > Ethan as a Hannukah gift. (So we opened it early.) It has seven > candle-holders.

This menorah is the one commonly seen or used (such as on jewelry) as a symbol of judaism. It is a reproduction of the menorah used in the Jewish Temple in ancient times. Look around and you will see alot of these seven-branched menorahs, especially among those sold as souvenirs in [...] 15118 82 12_Hebrew Names14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:08:16 GMT387_us-ascii Sharon wrote: > > > I would like to give our boy/girl twins Hebrew names after deceased > relatives. > For a variety of reasons too complicated to get into, we do not know, > however, what the Hebrew names were for these relatives. I would welcome > any suggestions. > > For my son, Adam: I would like to give him a Hebrew name related to my > father, whose name was Paul. [...] 15201 23 33_Re: Latka Recipe For School- HELP10_LayneMurph18_laynemurph@aol.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:29:01 GMT476_- A kitchen aid mixer with a grating attachment is a great help if the little ones are too little to handle a grater. The addition of about a teaspoon of powdered vitamin "C" to grated spuds keeps them from going brown and gives latkes a pleasant, faint sweet flavor. Latkes freeze very well--start with hot ones on sheets of wax paper in freezer and then transfer to plastic bags when frozen. Re-heat on cookie sheets with parchment paper. Very crisp and fresh tasting. [...] 15225 21 15_CTTS (Chanukah)25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:02:00 GMT445_- At dinner on Saturday night (just before we watched "It's a Wonderful Life" :-), 2.5 yo Shana had draped her (cloth) napkin over her head. "Makes her look like a nun," I commented to a friend. Shana responded "Nun, gimel, hey, shin!"

Jo Pitesky pitesky@bonnie.astro.ucla.edu

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 15247 86 16_Re: Hebrew Names14_Howard Gershen18_howard@boxhill.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:13:30 GMT345_-

Sharon Roth (sroth@kraft.com) asked:

> I would like to give our boy/girl twins Hebrew names after deceased relatives.

Mazel Tov on your twins!

> For a variety of reasons too complicated to get into, we do not know, > however, what the Hebrew names were for these relatives. I would welcome > any suggestions. [...] 15334 34 14_JCC membership10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:30:01 GMT605_-

Our family does not patronize any organisation that requires tax forms from ANY MEMBERS. How does one explain to a child that Christians will let anyone worship but Jews have to buy High Holiday tickets? Children both Christian and Jewish notice these things and to me it reinforces the image of Jews as moneygrubbers. The counter argument is used that "otherwise people will cheat on their membership". Is it not better to set an example of expecting the best of people rather than the worst? Incidentally our little shul, has equal dues for everyone that are waived when necessary, based [...] 15369 61 8_Re: Xmas10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:17:09 GMT553_- olga1@netcom.com (Olga from the Volga) writes: >Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com wrote: > >>Alice Schubach writes: >><>Many well-meaning Christians actually "feel sorry" for us, for being >>(as they perceive it), "left out" of Christmas. The analogy of the kid >>who is not invited to the birthday party tends to play right into that >>concept.[...] > >Some people invite us because they actually *like* us, and want to >include all their friends in their celebrations. [...] 15431 69 12_Hebrew names11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:55:28 GMT409_US-ASCII > Sharon wrote: > > > > > > I would like to give our boy/girl twins Hebrew names after deceased > > relatives. > > For a variety of reasons too complicated to get into, we do not know, > > however, what the Hebrew names were for these relatives. I would welcome > > any suggestions. > > > > For my son, Adam: I would like to give him a Hebrew name related to my > > father, whose name was Paul. [...] 15501 23 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 9313_Packer Family17_msp@world.std.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:44:51 GMT357_US-ASCII

In regard to Hebrew Names, and the question of naming a child after someone who committed suicide: I would be concerned that the child, in growing up, might feel a strong connection and even a prediction about their own path. You do not yet know the personality of the child; for some children this would be a major issue. Judy Packer [...] 15525 46 6_Latkes9_Gary Katz25_garykatz@vms.cis.pitt.edu29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:38:47 GMT336_us-ascii > >...How do you keep the potatoes >from turning brown?? >

We've been pre-cooking latkes for Hannukah parties for 6 years now... our routine is to make up TONS (well, OK, 30 or so pounds of potatoes) of latkes a week ahead of time and store them, layered in wax paper, in large air-tight containers in the freezer. [...] 15572 54 21_JCC, Dues & Tax Forms9_Gary Katz25_garykatz@vms.cis.pitt.edu29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:55:04 GMT595_us-ascii > Our family does not patronize any organisation that requires tax forms >from ANY MEMBERS. How does one explain to a child that Christians will let >anyone worship but Jews have to buy High Holiday tickets? Children both >Christian and Jewish notice these things and to me it reinforces the image >of Jews as moneygrubbers. > The counter argument is used that "otherwise people will cheat on their >membership". Is it not better to set an example of expecting the best of >people rather than the worst? > Incidentally our little shul, has equal dues for everyone that are >waived [...] 15627 33 16_Re: Dreidl rules12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:25:13 GMT521_- karen franklopez (kfranklo@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote: > This year we will be helping my husband's large family celebrate > Christmas. Since we will be going to see them on 12/21 thru X-mas, I > asked my sister-in-law if it would be okay to bring my menorah so I > could light the Chanukah candles. She was thrilled and said she'd > love her kids to see how we celebrated Chanukah. I bought my 3 > nieces/nefews dreidls and chocolate gelt but I have forgotten the > rules for the game. Could someone please post them. [...] 15661 108 5_Rivka14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:02:23 GMT427_us-ascii Hello friends,

I posted a question about the etymology of the name "Rivka" on the mail-jewish mailing list. Here are a couple of answers which I got. They are probably more than you ever wanted to know, but *I* thought they were interesting ... 8-). While this is not, strictly, a parenting issue, I think people who are considering naming a child Rivka might be interested in knowing what the name means. [...] 15770 46 9_Re: JCC's24_Dane Amydane Amy Harwood15_amydane@iii.net29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:46:50 GMT497_- Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: : Meredith asks about JCC membership for her son. The JCC in our community : (Meredith and I live in the same town) has a very generous scholarship : program. You could join for less money than you could at the local Y. In : addition, the JCC has special 3 month memberships that enable you to : take a class or use the pool in the winter. This would be more expensive : in the long run, if you chose to continue your membership afterward. [...] 15817 57 32_YACS (Yet Another Chanukah song)25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy26_pitesky@mira.info.ucla.edu29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:31:59 GMT492_- Well, to the same melody as "Oh Hannukah, Oh Hannukah, come light the menorah," we have, for the older, more wise-acre child, this version:

The Latke Song Words by Ben Aronin

Each Chanukah we glorify brave Judas Maccabeus Who had the courage to defy Antiochus and free us Yet it is not fair that we should forget Mrs. maccabeus whom we owe a debt She mixed it, she fixed it She poured it into a bowl You may not guess but it was the lat-kes That gave brave Judah a soul. [...] 15875 17 10_Re: Latkes8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 18:16:07 GMT254_- I believe that cream of tartar will stop the mix from turing brown....

- Blanche F.

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 15893 40 21_Re: Kudos to teacher!12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Sun, 10 Dec 1995 03:39:37 GMT533_- Amy & Dane L Harwood (amydane@harwood.iii.net) wrote: > Kudos to my son's teacher, for handling the holiday bit in a way I feel is > appropriate and respectful to all. Every month, the class "does" Chicken > Soup with Rice (Maurice Sendak) - a poem for each month. For those who know > it, December is about Christmas. With no fuss, the teacher rewrote December > to not mention a single holiday, but rather to celebrate lights and candles > and warmth! Hurray! BTW, she IS Jewish, although she has an Italian surname. > -Amy [...] 15934 24 16_Re: Hebrew Names14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:57:50 GMT372_- In article <199512181457.AA13717@gateway.kraft.com>, Roth, Sharon J. (MS-Mail) wrote: > >For my daughter, Rachel: I would like to give her a Hebrew name related to >my grandmother, whose name was Eleanor. > Well, Eliana is one of my favorite names (-: It means "G-d answered." There are also the names Eliora, Elisheva and Elinor that would work. [...] 15959 46 68_Re: long distance commuting to raise kids in larger Jewish community12_Mike Fessler14_mef@netaxs.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:01:14 GMT545_- shel@gov.nt.ca (Sheldon Nider) wrote:

My family was in a similar situation to yours when I was very small. My father was on the faculty at University of Wisconsin-River Falls, in a town of 8000 (10,000 when the college was in session), an hour from Minneapolis-St. Paul. There were two other Jewish families in town, and they arranged a two or three-times weekly carpool to the Twin Cities for Hebrew school, synagogue, etc. We lived there until I was eleven, then moved to a Baltimore suburb with a much larger Jewish population. [...] 16006 47 20_Re: 7-holder menorah11_Mark Langer23_mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:43:37 GMT553_- ValLipow@aol.com wrote:

> My aunt visited Israel last year. This week, she sent my not-yet-two year > old > son, Ethan, a small (5" high) menorah she bought in Jerusalem.She sent it to > Ethan as a Hannukah gift. (So we opened it early.) It has seven > candle-holders.

> I'm confused; what's the significance of this candelabra? It's metal, with > the words in English) "Shalom" and "Jerusalem" on it. With seven, rather > than > nine, holders for candles (Hunnukah candles would fit them) it apparently > isn't a Hannukah menorah. [...] 16054 41 21_Re: Latkas for School13_Packer Family17_msp@world.std.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:41:09 GMT497_US-ASCII [Moderators Note: I have approved this as a follow-up to a question posted on the list. Please be aware though that any further discussion based on cooking and not raising children in a Jewish context will be rejected and refered to the appropriate food lists. Thank you.]

Re Latka Recipe for School: Soaking the potatoes not only keeps them from turning brown, but also reduces the starchiness of them. I was told by a friend always to rinse them; it does imporve the taste. [...] 16096 28 18_Re: JCC membership10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:30:36 GMT377_- I. Pour-El (pourel@iastate.edu) wrote: : : Our family does not patronize any organisation that requires tax forms : from ANY MEMBERS. How does one explain to a child that Christians will let : anyone worship but Jews have to buy High Holiday tickets? Children both : Christian and Jewish notice these things and to me it reinforces the image : of Jews as moneygrubbers. [...] 16125 40 16_Re: Dreidl rules11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:57:34 GMT471_- npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (naomi pardue) writes: > > I'm finding this interesting. While *I* always learned to play draidl > with the rules others have posted here, Shaina has watched several > Chanukkah tapes which give totally different rules. > 1. You take turns spinning until somebody gets gimel. That person wins. > 2. Players have to guess what letter is going to come up. Whoever > guesses right wins. > > Has anybody EVER heard these rules before? > [...] 16166 77 31_Re: Yet Another Naming Question16_Daniel P. Faigin15_faigin@aero.org29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:48:45 GMT403_- On Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:15:18 -0800, robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) said:

> We are expecting our second child in June (yes that was an announcement!) > and will be naming him/her after my husband's mother Sema (same in English > and Hebrew) and her father Michael/Mechel.

> [...] (however, suggestions, either of S names or other meaningful > alternatives are welcome). [...] 16244 28 16_Re: Hebrew Names0_24_nrandall@shrsys.hslc.org29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:58:45 GMT567_- In a previous article, "Roth, Sharon J. (MS-Mail)" wrote: [...] ->3) Can we give a child two Hebrew names to honor two deceased relatives? -> These are all the children my husband and I are having, and we each have ->several relatives that we'd like to honor!

Short answer, yes! Each of my brothers and I have two Hebrew names -- first and middle, just like in English. While I can't remember exactly for whom they were named, I was named for my dad's mother, Leah Etta, and my mother's uncle, Irving. In English, I am Linda Ilene; in [...] 16273 27 32_Re: Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:34:50 GMT400_- I was irritated by their ridiculing Charlie Horse for saying "Chanuka" (with the gutteral), instead of Hanukah. The parent figure corrects them, but by the end of the show Shari Louis is doing it too.

I also didn't like the way Judah the Maccabee is on one hand being called an ultimate super hero -- strong, smart, and brave -- and on the other only shown as a cutesy Hush Puppy in costume. 16301 53 16_Re: Hebrew Names10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:27:44 GMT292_- Hadass Eviatar (eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca) wrote: : Sharon wrote: : > : > For my daughter, Rachel: I would like to give her a Hebrew name related : to : > my grandmother, whose name was Eleanor. : : Well, Rachel *is* a Hebrew name. And Eleanor isn't. But how about Esther or : Ilana? [...] 16355 33 15_CTTS (Chanukah)14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:52:16 GMT295_-

Ryan's (2.25 yrs) rendition of the first night of Chanukah:

"After we light the candles, then I can open one present. Just one, not all of them. I have to keep away from the candles -- they're dangerous. I have to take my nap now, and when I wake up the sun will go DOWN!" [...] 16389 33 33_Re: Latka Recipe For School- HELP11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:41:19 GMT445_- terrym2442@aol.com (TerryM2442) writes: > I hope I'm posting this in the right place, but my daughter's class is > expecting me to make latkas (50) at their holiday party on Wednesday. I > won't have time to make the batter in class so was wondering if anyone > could tell me how to keep the batter fresh, if made the night before, so I > can just fry them up in school the next day. How do you keep the potatoes > from turning brown?? > [...] 16423 42 34_Re: Family Members with same names11_Seth Grimes23_grimes@access.digex.net29_Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:06:48 GMT563_- I've followed the naming thread with interest and I've started wondering, how did the separation of religious names and everyday names come about? Sure, people wanted to distance themselves from being identified as Jewish in the past although there have always been Biblical names in the English (and other European) mainstream: David, Elizabeth, Anne, Susan, Daniel, Michael. And I wonder whether perpetuating this naming duality isn't, in effect, saying that Jewish identify is something that can and should be separated from our everyday, public lives. [...] 16466 27 30_Re: Hanukkah lyrics - "Ner li"14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:08:29 GMT421_-

>Ba Chanuka ner-li adlik. (On Chanuka I will light my candle.) >Ba Chanuka ner-li ya'ir (On Chanuka my candle will give light.) >Ba Chanuka ner-li ashir. (On Chanuka I will sing "Ner-li".) >

I guess I'm a little bit late on this one (my news server wasn't working properly and I just read this post), but I believe the last line should read "Ba Chanuka shirim ashir" (On Chanuka I will sing songs). [...] 16494 51 29_Re: sukkah building 101-reply18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:12:04 GMT299_US-ASCII I wrote: > The design >on my web page is extremely stable and extremely easy to assemble/ >disassemble (although my writing has something to be desired). The >cost is relatively low to.

This is what **** ****** says : > Great but what is the URL? Please supply! (email or post) [...] 16546 21 32_Re: Lamb Chop's Special Chanukah0_31_dmcalexander@msuvx2.memphis.edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:59:25 GMT302_- Feh! We thought it was dreadful, although my 7-yr-old didn't understand why. What a prolonged episode on super-hero, on the obvious way to Judah. And yes, then he looked stupid. Why those three men???? Some parts we cute, but we were confused by most of the show. Deanna McAlexander Memphis, TN [...] 16568 79 25_Re: JCC, Dues & Tax Forms0_18_ramras@digital.net29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:57:39 GMT630_-

[ moderator (srw) - This discussion is straying a little to far off charter. Discussion of JCC dues policies is generally outside our charter. I'm accepting this reluntantly as the terminal message in this conversation and to advise all further comments down this line will be forwarded to soc.culture.jewish]

> Our family does not patronize any organisation that requires tax forms >from ANY MEMBERS. How does one explain to a child that Christians will let >anyone worship but Jews have to buy High Holiday tickets? Children both >Christian and Jewish notice these things and to me it reinforces the image [...] 16648 28 31_Re: Yet Another Naming Question14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:30:51 GMT474_- In article , Daniel P. Faigin wrote: >On Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:15:18 -0800, robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn >Kozierok) said:

>> We are expecting our second child in June (yes that was an announcement!) >> and will be naming him/her after my husband's mother Sema

>Seema, Sema: From the Greek meaning "sprout."

By amazing coincidence, this is what I had already dubbed the little prenate. [...] 16677 45 28_Lamb Chop's Chanukah Special0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:22:03 GMT564_-

Thank goodness I wasn't the only Scrooge who didn't like the Lamb Chop Chanukah special.

Now, to be fair, the 3.4 yr. old who watched this special with me, seemed rather amused by it . . . but then he'd watch Power Rangers all day too, if given the chance.

As a Jewish parent, I was horrified by this show, and how flimsy the Chanukah plot was. Every sex-role stereotype in the book was used, Lamb Chop even played Mrs. Judah Maccabee! No particular Jewish values were illuminated in the show -- the net takeaway was the idea that the [...] 16723 41 34_Re: Family Members with same names19_Cheryl Birkner Mack27_dd279@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:46:19 GMT673_-

Reply to message from grimes@access.digex.net of Mon, 18 Dec > >I've followed the naming thread with interest and I've started wondering, >how did the separation of religious names and everyday names come about? >Sure, people wanted to distance themselves from being identified as >Jewish in the past although there have always been Biblical names in >the English (and other European) mainstream: David, Elizabeth, Anne, >Susan, Daniel, Michael. And I wonder whether perpetuating this naming >duality isn't, in effect, saying that Jewish identify is something that >can and should be separated from our everyday, public lives. > >Personally, I feel somewhat [...] 16765 32 21_ritual vs. spiritual?14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:26:15 GMT592_- Ryan is 2.25 years old. Most of his exposure to Judaism so far has been ritual- and cultural-based: going to temple, lighting candles, saying kiddush, eating Jewish foods, listening to Jewish music etc... "Doing Jewish" as one poster dubbed it.

I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd. It seems to me most of my Christian friends have already started talking about G-d with their 2-year-olds, but I haven't [...] 16798 23 17_Name for girl (B)20_Reichman Roxana Gena29_v080tzfr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:16:47 GMT327_- A friend of mine is expecting a girl. She wants to give her a name after her late father, Bernard, and is looking for a name starting with B. She wants a Jewish name, preferably Israeli. Someone suggested to her BIRNIT or BIRANIT. Does anyone knows the meaning of this word? Better yet, are there any other suggestions? [...] 16822 30 32_Re: Lamb Chop's Chanukah Special14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:54:46 GMT356_- In article <951220112202_59380157@emout06.mail.aol.com>, wrote: > >Thank goodness I wasn't the only Scrooge who didn't like the Lamb Chop >Chanukah special. > >Now, to be fair, the 3.4 yr. old who watched this special with me, seemed >rather amused by it . . . but then he'd watch Power Rangers all day too, if >given the chance. [...] 16853 77 19_Re: Jewish Adoption15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:18:06 GMT661_- On Dec 18, 1995 16:24:35 in article , 'Irene Bleiweiss ' wrote:



>I was glad to see a positive post about the organization that is helpful in >arranging Jewish adoption. I would be interested in hearing the experiences of >other parents, especially intermarried parents, who have adopted or considered >adoption. My husband and I have been considering adoption but had pretty much >ruled out Jewish-related organizations. A friend of ours who looked into the >option here in Washington, D.C. found that the local Jewish Services >organization (not the national organization listed in the post) would only [...] 16931 45 36_Family Traditions: Making A "Shtetl"0_17_SASHIFRIN@aol.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:41:16 GMT608_-

Several years ago after assisting with a winter holiday project, making candy houses, in my child's public school classroom, I brought home the leftover supplies - graham crackers, assorted candy and royal icing. I was going to let my children use up the leftovers but wanted to give the obviously Chrismas inspired project a Jewish twist. Knowing that they loved Chelm stories, I suggested that they make a "shetl" (an Eastern European Jewish village) with the leftovers. We talked through some of the components of a shetl, who might have lived there, the kinds of work people did, the need [...] 16977 33 24_lamp chop/weinerville tv0_20_chizeck@utdallas.edu29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:19:10 GMT566_- I agree with you all that the Lamb Chop special was really bizarre, tho my 6 year old enjoyed it. Seemed to have very little to do with Chanukah except eating latkes.

We also saw the Weinerville hanukah special which had more insight into Chanukah. Involved King Anti-darkus, an outer space alien trying to take over the planet of the potato people and seemingly Earth. Wanted them all to dance just like he did and do what he said. The ski lodge people conquered him and the potato people returned to their planet. My daughter laughed so hard and has [...] 17011 37 18_pin-prick & mikvah11_Barry Lyons26_blyons@seraph1.sewanee.edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:12:21 GMT491_us-ascii Introductions first: I was raised in a non-religious Jewish home, but I have always been attracted to Jewish learning and ritual. My wife was raised Catholic, does not now identify herself with any particular religion beyond belief in God, and is happy with Jewish ritual in our home and a Jewish identity for our son, who is four 1/2. We are beginning to get involved with a Reform temple and considering having our son attend a combined Reform-Conservative religious school. [...] 17049 20 5_CTTS?14_Howard Gershen18_howard@boxhill.com29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:09:48 GMT290_-

Okay, I'm stumped: what does "CTTS" mean, as in the thread "CTTS (Chanukah)"?

Howard Gershen howard@boxhill.com

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 17070 52 16_Re: Hebrew Names12_Sophie Miron21_soph@ocf.Berkeley.EDU29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:52:53 GMT575_US-ASCII > 1) Is it appropriate to name a child after a relative whose cause of death

> was suicide? (as opposed to accident/illness)

I had this same question at one time because my grandmother's (favorite!) aunt committed suicide in France just after the Holocaust. All remaining relatives would avoid answering my questions on it so I was left to fend for my own. The closest I got was that my aunt thought that maybe she might have been afraid of being accused of being a collaborator (though my aunt was sure she had not been). I then read the section [...] 17123 58 18_Re: JCC membership15_Stephanie Wells21_swells1@ix.netcom.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:47:12 GMT547_us-ascii I. Pour-El asks: "How does one explain to a child that Christians will let anyone worship but Jews have to buy High Holiday tickets?'

I am so tired of reading remarks like this. I have yet to find a synagogue that turns away worshippers. I have been welcomed wherever I have gone--and, by the way, without a collection plate being passed as in EVERY church I have ever been in. You are more or less expected to pay for the privilege of being a guest in a church, something I do not see mentioned by those who find churches so [...] 17182 41 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 9611_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:08:00 GMT374_US-ASCII

> > P'reechaw: I don't know the exact meaning, but the mapped names are the same > as Pirchaw, except for Thalia.

Literally refers to the period of flowering.

> Tifrawchaw: I don't know the exact meaning, but it also maps to Blossom.

Literally (if I understand your transliteration): you (third-person, female plural) will blossom [...] 17224 23 14_CTTS: Chanukah0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:29:00 GMT334_- This year I didn't have time to give my menorah the full polishing that it needed. My 4 year old son has been unhappy with the contrast between his shiny new menorah and my older, darker one. This morning Keith explained that the shiny one was better because "It helps us remember the miracle of the oil in the temple better"! [...] 17248 61 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?15_Joseph Davidson13_jhd@radix.net29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:59:32 GMT434_- Talking to a 2 year old, or for that matter a 10 year old, of spiritual things will go completely over her head.

The best thing to do is set an example by expressing your own spiritiality as you would do even if they were not there. Go to services, minyan, "do jewish", etc. As he is ready to talk, he will ask questions. Be prepared to answer them, but just answer the question, do not launch into a long dissertation. [...] 17310 87 34_Re: Family Members with same names15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:04:20 GMT522_- Seth Grimes (grimes@access.digex.net) wrote: > I've followed the naming thread with interest and I've started wondering, > how did the separation of religious names and everyday names come about?

Anita Diamant provides a nice, readable overview in "What to Name Your Jewish Baby" (also a useful source for the many of us who are facing that very issue right now). According to Diamant, vernacular naming has a long tradition, and the idea of "religious" names was, if anything, a later addition. She writes: [...] 17398 61 20_Names, yet again ...14_Hadass Eviatar26_eviatar@noether.ibd.nrc.ca29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:02:46 GMT536_us-ascii

> > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:16:47 GMT > From: v080tzfr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Reichman Roxana Gena) > Subject: Name for girl (B) > Message-ID: <4bbj7f$2c2@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> > > A friend of mine is expecting a girl. She wants to give her a name after her > late father, Bernard, and is looking for a name starting with B. > She wants a Jewish name, preferably Israeli. Someone suggested to her > BIRNIT or BIRANIT. Does anyone knows the meaning of this word? Better yet, are > there any other suggestions? > [...] 17460 81 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:59:47 GMT525_- >From article <4ba2i7$i6j@life.ai.mit.edu>, by robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok):

> Ryan is 2.25 years old. Most of his exposure to Judaism so far has been > ritual- and cultural-based: ... "Doing Jewish" as one poster dubbed it. > ... So far I don't think we've even mentioned the Almighty, at least not > in English, which seems a little odd. It seems to me most of my > Christian friends have already started talking about G-d with their > 2-year-olds, but I haven't seen any mention of this here. [...] 17542 50 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?10_MichelleFG18_michellefg@aol.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:29:11 GMT609_- In article <4ba2i7$i6j@life.ai.mit.edu>, robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes:

> am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: >especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the >Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd. It seems to me >most of my Christian friends have already started talking about G-d with >their 2-year-olds, but I haven't seen any mention of this here. So are you >all doing it and not needing any help, and just not mentioning it? Or are >you also perhaps wondering when and how to get [...] 17593 160 8_God-Talk0_14_dinitz@tss.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:34:42 GMT297_- Robyn wrote: > I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of > things: especially talking about G-d.

When? Immediately. How? That depends on your own orientation. I can tell you some of what I do, but whatever you do must work in a way that's authentic for you. [...] 17754 35 21_ritual vs. spiritual?0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:20:00 GMT572_- Robyn Kozierok writes: <>

Keith first started asking questions last year (around 3 y.o.). It started when I was reading him a board book called "In the Beginning", which tells the 7 days of creation. So far I have felt capable of answering most of his questions (with a few exceptions). One thing I found very helpful was [...] 17790 22 21_Baby girl-name with B20_Reichman Roxana Gena29_v080tzfr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:02:54 GMT331_- A friend of mine is going to give birth to a girl. She wants to give the baby a name after her late father, whose name was BERNARD. She is looking for a name which will either start with the letter B or have some connection to the meaning. ******** Any Jewish name welcome, preferance to an Israeli name. Thanks in advance. [...] 17813 20 39_Chanukah advent calendar (was Kudos...)10_Pleassance18_pleassance@aol.com29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:59:21 GMT350_- I actually saw a Chanukah advent calendar! I believe it was at a Hallmark store, and it counted the nights up to and including all eight of Chanukah.

Happy Chanukah, everyone! Liz

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 17834 42 12_Re: God-Talk14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 03:04:32 GMT580_- In article <9512212138.AA12334@tekbspa.tss.com>, wrote: >Robyn wrote: >> I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of >> things: especially talking about G-d. > > When? Immediately. How? That depends on your own orientation. I >can tell you some of what I do, [...]

> With this repertoire, it was an easy jump to the idea that food >brachot are a way to thank God for giving us food to eat, that Kiddush >thanks God for giving us Shabbat, and that the candle brachah thanks >God for giving us a special way to welcome Shabbat. [...] 17877 28 23_Re: How to play Dreidl?17_Philip Borenstein16_philipb@tiac.net29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:46:10 GMT330_us-ascii I had written a one-page "How to play dreidl" sheet for my nieces and nephews, and I just now finished translating it to HTML and posting it to our synagogue's web site. You can get it at:

http://www.tiac.net/users/philipb/rjc/dreidl.html

It may be too late, but there's still a little more of Hanukah left! 17906 32 19_Re: Jewish software9_B. Peress15_bperess@emi.net29_Thu, 21 Dec 1995 03:07:18 GMT348_- nkf@vnet.ibm.com wrote:

> Hi all, > Can anyone recommend good Jewish themed software for > children aged 3-5? > Thanx.

> - Nancy > nkf@vnet.ibm.com

While I am not familiar with any specific programs, I can tell you where to purchase them:

Call Davka Corp. at 312/465-4070 or look up their web site: www.davka.com [...] 17939 27 20_Re: names of cousins14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net29_Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:15:28 GMT588_- Both my daughter and my sister's (newborn) daughter are named after my grandfather. His name was Sidney (in Hebrew, Shimon). I named my daughter Shira and my sister named her daughter Sydney. Also, both my son and my sister-in-law's daughter are named after my father-in-law (we were both pregnant when he passed away. His name was Haim Yoel Nirenberg. My sister-in-law named her daughter Hen (which were his initials--this sounds awful in English, but it is a very common name in Hebrew). I named my son Yohai, which is a combination of my father-in-law's first and middle names. [...] 17967 25 9_Re: CTTS?15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:25:28 GMT428_- Howard Gershen (howard@boxhill.com) wrote:

> Okay, I'm stumped: what does "CTTS" mean, as in the thread "CTTS > (Chanukah)"?

"Cute Things They Say"; it's a common subject-line acronym in misc.kids, where people like to share stories about their kids' witticisms. Other variants are CTTD (cute things they do), ETTS (embarassing, or sometimes eerie, tts, usually defined), STTS (sweet things they say), etc. [...] 17993 18 17_RE:Names with "B"20_Reichman Roxana Gena29_v080tzfr@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:06:11 GMT317_- Thanks a lot to all those who have answered with some suggestions of names for my friend. She is still hesitating, so we'll keep on trying.

Roxana

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 18012 39 26_Fooling Around with Prayer15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:50:53 GMT457_US-ASCII I'm having a 'special' problem with my son, Graham (3.5). He is an extremely musical child, and he very much enjoys singing, 'playing' the guitar, piano, trumpet, and whatever instruments he has, etc. Mostly I like this and encourage it.

However, he is playing with 'silly words' during the b'ruchot on Shabbat, and now for Chanukah. I know I should just ignore this, but it pushes about every button I've got. I really really HATE it. [...] 18052 42 22_Re: pin-prick & mikvah12_Sophie Miron21_soph@ocf.Berkeley.EDU29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:27:00 GMT556_US-ASCII Barry,

> My question is about the ritual pin-prick and mikvah that would make our > son halachically Jewish (he was medically circumcised as an infant). I > would like to know about other people's experiences with this ceremony: > What was good about it? What was difficult about it? For that matter, > what exactly happens? How did you tell your child about it and prepare him > for it? Did anybody find a way to present it to a young child such that it > was something he himself wanted to do? I'm especially interested in > stories [...] 18095 41 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:45:05 GMT542_US-ASCII I talk about G-d all the time. But I don't talk about my feelings (personal or otherwise) about G-d, but rather concentrate on what I think the kids can take in about G-d. At 3.5, my children understand that G-d can do all sorts of wonderful things. This morning, as we were driving to school, Gemma thought she saw a rainbow. In fact, it was a tad bit of blue sky poking thru the heavy snow-laden clouds. But in discussing this with her, I said that rainbows look like G-d had a special paint brush and used favorite colors to [...] 18137 19 9_Re: CTTS?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:35:14 GMT293_- "cute things they say"= CTTS

The one that took me forever was YKYAPW (you know you're a parent when..)

- Blanche F.

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 18157 38 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?12_Sophie Miron21_soph@ocf.Berkeley.EDU29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:43:09 GMT454_US-ASCII

On 21 Dec 1995, Robyn Kozierok wrote:

> I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: > especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the > Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd.

Go ahead. Say it. Say the "G" word. God. Say it again. God. There, how does it feel? Say it over and over until it becomes comfortable. Then, say it to your son. [...] 18196 45 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?13_Amy W. Graham23_agraham1@swarthmore.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:36:54 GMT509_US-ASCII > On 21 Dec 1995, Robyn Kozierok wrote: > > > I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: > > especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the > > Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd. > We say the Shema every night with Ethan (3 in two weeks!), and sometimes we take a couple minutes to say "Thank you" to G-d for things. After I became an adult, my mother told me that she regretted not explaining to us her own [...] 18242 38 37_Chanukah, a Firfighter & Santa - True8_HWEINBER21_HWEINBER@HR.HOUSE.GOV29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:30:11 GMT437_- It happened last night (12/21/95).

Debbie (my wife), Sarah (my 4 year old) and I had just finished lighting candles in the front window. We were doing a little singing and dancing when I heard the noise of a slowly approaching fire truck. (In our city, the fire department sends a truck festooned with Christmas lights, complete with Santa, all lit up & riding on top, through the streets just before Christmas each year.) [...] 18281 21 25_Re: Baby girl-name with B5_LSCHP13_lschp@aol.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 19:01:37 GMT391_- You (your friend) might want to find out the hebrew name that Bernard had? I know a few men with that name and their hebrew name is/was Baruch. The girl's version is Bracha (my daughter's middle name). (by the way, Baruch and Bracha mean a blessing). Or it could have been a completly different hebrew name that what the english name (Bernard) sounds like. Maybe not even with a "B". [...] 18303 68 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?11_Ken Goldman18_ken@watson.ibm.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:08:39 GMT439_- robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes: > > I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: > especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned > the Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd. It > seems to me most of my Christian friends have already started talking > about G-d with their 2-year-olds, but I haven't seen any mention of > this here. > [...] 18372 47 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices19_Annpatrice Kaminsky21_APKaminsky@tssnet.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:59:40 GMT469_- On Dec. 15, 1995, Michal wrote:

>I've seen a few posts so far that deal with having children pick >out toys and distribute them personally at a family shelter or >hospital during the holidays. I wonder if this is the best choice. >Wouldn't _matan ba'seter_ or giving charity in secret (so the giver >does not know the receiver and is not embarrased) be more useful? >Has anyone else felt uncertain about this? >Cordially, >Michal. >mcahlon@acs.ryerson.ca [...] 18420 45 18_Re: Chanukah songs12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:17:47 GMT339_- dana siegel (dana.siegel@zhora.com) wrote: > At a Chanukah party at our local temple, this evening, the Cantor had > several more verses to "I Had A Little Dreidel", and we all thought they > were cute. Here they are:

> I had a little dreidel, > I made it out of ice, > and then the dreidel melted, > which wasn't very nice. [...] 18466 33 12_Re: God-Talk0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 19:40:41 GMT472_US-ASCII

Dear Friends,

Regarding the difficultiesi in our own adult discussions and conceptualizations and relationships with God, let alone teaching and nurturing our children, I would commend two books for your consideration:

Harold Kushner, When Children Ask Questions ABout God

Harold M. Schulweis, For Those Who Can't Believe

They contain wonderful nuggets for working with, teaching, nurturing children - and ourselves IMHO. [...] 18500 34 28_CTTS - follow-up to G-d talk8_amcallis28_amcallis@helix.hgen.pitt.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:02:35 GMT443_ISO-8859-1 when I was writing my other message, it reminded me of this cute incident.

my 2 1/2 yr. old, sara maia, comes shopping for shabbos with me after work every thursday. when we get to the stores (the kosher supermarket is directly across the street from the regular supermarket) I keep an eye out for a parking space. when there is one I get all excited and shout either "thank you HaShem" (most often) of "baruch HaShem". [...] 18535 129 19_Re: Jewish Adoption12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:21:51 GMT575_- Barbara Pollack (carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com) wrote: : I think the group discussed was looking to identify the few Jewish children : to make sure that Jewish families know about them. Jews have been the : greatest beneficiaries of the religion/ethnic blind adoption policies : because of the disproportionately large numbers of Jews who are prospective : adoptive parents. BTW, I was taught that it was not only acceptable but : preferable to adopt non-Jewish children and convert them to minimize the : risk of biological siblings accidentally marrying each other. [...] 18665 75 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 19:19:53 GMT526_US-ASCII > I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: > especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the > Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd.

I don't know how how Tina and I did it. I wish I knew how we started in detail (I'm going to have do it again soon anyway with Aaron). Shoshana (3 end of month) seems very comforatble with G-d. We mention G-d and discuss it with her on her level often. Right now the idea seems somewhat [...] 18741 24 22_Re: pin-prick & mikvah9_Amy Green18_agreen@megaweb.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:36:04 GMT299_- Physically, I have been told by an adult that taking a drop of blood [words modified by editor] was no big deal. Emotionally, for weeks preceading the mikvah... well... umm, that was a different story. :-)

He did call his mother and thank her for having him circumcised as a baby. :-) [...] 18766 41 17_Name for girl (B)11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:09:18 GMT388_US-ASCII

> > A friend of mine is expecting a girl. She wants to give her a name > after her late father, Bernard, and is looking for a name starting > with B. She wants a Jewish name, preferably Israeli. Someone > suggested to her BIRNIT or BIRANIT. Does anyone knows the meaning > of this word? Better yet, are there any other suggestions? > > Thanks in advance, > > Roxana [...] 18808 24 20_Re: 7-holder menorah15_Robert Aronsohn16_aronsohn@lnd.com29_Sat, 23 Dec 1995 07:08:22 GMT355_us-ascii Your aunt should have either inspected the menorah or told the clerk what she wanted. In Israel, "menorah" is any candelabrum. She wanted a Channukah menorah, or "channukia," which holds 9 candles. The seven-candle types simply refer to the seven days of the week. I am sure she meant well. (Ignore misspellings, I spell phonetically) Bob A [...] 18833 55 12_re: G-d talk8_amcallis28_amcallis@helix.hgen.pitt.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:38:25 GMT394_ISO-8859-1 In article <4bd780$62n@life.ai.mit.edu>, robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu says...

>The examples you give are great, but they seem to be missing an initial >introduction to the concept of G-d. Where do you *start*? Isn't there >something that has to come before all this? Or is G-d "just" defined by >the fact that He created the world, and that we thank him for things, etc... [...] 18889 44 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 22:46:03 GMT561_- In article , Sophie Miron wrote: > >On 21 Dec 1995, Robyn Kozierok wrote: > >> I am wondering when and how to get into the more spiritual side of things: >> especially talking about G-d. So far I don't think we've even mentioned the >> Almighty, at least not in English, which seems a little odd. > >Go ahead. Say it. Say the "G" word. God. Say it again. God. There, >how does it feel? Say it over and over until it becomes comfortable. >Then, say it to your son. [...] 18934 28 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:46:00 GMT320_- A couple more points. When saying the blessings with Keith, at least half the time I say them in English as well as in Hebrew, so that he can understand what the words mean. At various times he has asked about word meanings ("what does 'sanctify' mean?"). He is comfortable with both Hebrew and English versions. [...] 18963 32 21_Re: Name for girl (B)14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net29_Sun, 24 Dec 1995 13:24:21 GMT402_-

>A friend of mine is expecting a girl. She wants to give her a name after her >late father, Bernard, and is looking for a name starting with B. >She wants a Jewish name, preferably Israeli. Someone suggested to her >BIRNIT or BIRANIT. Does anyone knows the meaning of this word? Better yet, are >there any other suggestions? I've never heard of either of these names. Other suggestions: [...] 18996 22 19_Trendy Hebrew Names14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:47:57 GMT392_- There is a thread going on in misc.kids right now about trendy ames. I wonder if anyone has noticed any trends in naming Jewish kids? Which names are hot in Israel?

Jan, Mommy to Tovah (A name I was told is definately NOT hot in Israel), Eliana (well, there are at least three Elianas on s.c.j.p!) and Asher (maybe getting to be trendy in cities with large Jewisg populations.) [...] 19019 45 22_Re: pin-prick & mikvah15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:39:18 GMT366_- My boys were converted at ages 8 1/2 and 7 respectively. It was done on at out-patient basis at our local hospital--with a Bet Din present in the operating room ( the hardest part was persuading the hospital to let them in). Our non-Jewish urologist was so cooperative that he even let the mohel make the first incision to make sure it was absolutely kosher. [...] 19065 45 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Mon, 25 Dec 1995 00:54:05 GMT572_- As one Toronto resident to another, the idea of children giving presents to the hospitals or family shelters at this time is remakably non-Jewish. There is no reason why we should be giving toys now more than any other time of the year. Tzedaka is a year-round mitzvah, to be done at best without the recipient knowing who you are. In Toronto, every Sunday, and often other times during the week, the doorbell rings 2-3 times, and there is someone collecting Tzedaka. My children know that we have prewritten checks for each and every visitor. All that needs to be [...] 19111 277 58_Judaism Reading List: Books for Jewish Children (Pt. XIII)13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net26_25 Dec 1995 11:07:18 -0800449_- Archive-name: judaism/reading-lists/childrens Soc-culture-jewish-archive-name: reading.childrens Posting-Frequency: Monthly

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This message is intended to provide recommendations to the readers of soc.culture.jewish of books suitable for use by children. [...] 19389 37 21_Re: Name for girl (B)15_Georganne Burke19_nbcnet@inforamp.net29_Mon, 25 Dec 1995 14:37:30 GMT598_- In article <4bjka5$mq0@post.tau.ac.il>, nirenber@shani.net (Bari Nirenberg) wrote:

> >A friend of mine is expecting a girl. She wants to give her a name after > her > >late father, Bernard, and is looking for a name starting with B. > >She wants a Jewish name, preferably Israeli. Someone suggested to her > >BIRNIT or BIRANIT. Does anyone knows the meaning of this word? Better > yet, are > >there any other suggestions? > I've never heard of either of these names. Other suggestions: > > Batia, Bracha, Bat-Sheva (very old fashioned) > > Bat-El (a little more modern--I really like [...] 19427 28 8_G-d talk0_32_Meredith_Warshaw@charlesview.com29_Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:54:00 GMT548_- Robyn writes: "but I feel, perhaps incorrectly, that before I start doing that I have to first "define" G-d for Ryan so he'll know what the heck I'm talking about when I say "G-d" made the world and everything in it"

You didn't define "mother" or "father" or "table" or "house" for him. Kids learn word meanings by context. I started by reading a book about creation to Keith - this gave him the definition that G-d is the one who created the world. As he gets older, his questions get more sophisticated, and I just try to answer at [...] 19456 78 19_Trendy Hebrew Names11_Ruth Heiges21_heiges@post.tau.ac.il29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:07:05 GMT451_US-ASCII



Jan Silbermann wrote:

>There is a thread going on in misc.kids right now about trendy ames. >I wonder if anyone has noticed any trends in naming Jewish kids? >Which names are hot in Israel?

>Jan, Mommy to Tovah (A name I was told is definately NOT hot in Israel), >Eliana (well, there are at least three Elianas on s.c.j.p!) and >Asher (maybe getting to be trendy in cities with large Jewisg >populations.) [...] 19535 35 28_RE: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1030_16_ldwolf@shani.net29_Sun, 24 Dec 1995 13:45:44 GMT566_US-ASCII

The 7 holder Menora is the original Menorah used in the Mishkan and in the holy Temple, the Beit HaMikdash. Chanukah's miracle involves the rekindling of the Menora which was constantly lit in the Temple but had to be lit with pure virgin olive oil, all of which was defiled by the Syrian-Greeks. Next time you're in Israel, take a tour in the caves around the Macabean area, especially at Amatzia, and underground you can get an idea of the process that was involved in preparing this olive oil and why it took 8 days to produce new pure oil. [...] 19571 36 27_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 9813_Packer Family17_msp@world.std.com29_Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:34:22 GMT532_US-ASCII

Regarding Robyn's note about mentioning G-d to children: when I first started doing this, it felt awkward to me, but clearly not to my child, who was then perhaps 3. As I mentioned G-d more often, it became more comfortable for me. I generally mention G-d in a private context, (e.g. bedtime), and only when the statement is one that clearly rings true for me. For instance when he is frightened about something that has frightened me (storms, being alone in bed, etc), I will tell him how my belief helps me. [...] 19608 54 25_Re: Baby girl-name with B0_29_charles.weg@sprint.sprint.com29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:07:07 GMT516_US-ASCII



> > A friend of mine is going to give birth to a girl. She wants to give the > baby a name after her late father, whose name was BERNARD. She is looking > for a name which will either start with the letter B or have some connection > to the meaning. ******** > Any Jewish name welcome, preferance to an Israeli name. > Thanks in advance. > > RR RR, I do not know the exact definition of Bernard, but it is very common for men with that first name to have a corresponding Hebrew name of [...] 19663 44 12_Re: G-d talk15_Jerry B Altzman27_jbaltz@ciao.cc.columbia.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:20:18 GMT581_- In article <199512251855.NAA19559@dam.charlesview.com>, wrote: >You didn't define "mother" or "father" or "table" or "house" for him. >Kids learn word meanings by context. I started by reading a book >about creation to Keith - this gave him the definition that G-d is the >one who created the world. As he gets older, his questions get more >sophisticated, and I just try to answer at his level (as far as I can guess >it). You can then give him the concepts you want him to understand >within the context of the answers to his questions. [...] 19708 45 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?18_Penina Freedenberg23_peninawf@marple.umd.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 04:26:32 GMT453_- Robyn Kozierok (robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu) wrote: : It seems a fairly lofty concept and : perhaps the right thing *is* just to introduce it "by example" by talking : about things He did/does and our relationship with Him. But that's really : the main gist of my question, at least the part that remains unanswered after : all these great replies to my original post -- do you have to introduce the : concept first, or do you just start talking? [...] 19754 115 12_Re: God-Talk0_14_dinitz@tss.com29_Fri, 22 Dec 1995 22:56:17 GMT323_- Robyn K wrote: > The examples you give are great, but they seem to be missing an > initial introduction to the concept of G-d. Where do you *start*? > Isn't there something that has to come before all this? Or is G-d > "just" defined by the fact that He created the world, and that we > thank him for things, etc... [...] 19870 18 25_Re: Baby girl-name with B12_Joy Moskovic25_ao610@freenet.carleton.ca29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:00:03 GMT393_- My grandfather's name was also Bernard, his Hebrew (Yiddish) name was Berel. Two of his grandchildren's Hebrew names are Dov and Dovah, the Hebrew translation of Berel, which means "bear". This should give you a few more options.

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 19889 51 20_Re: 7-holder menorah15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:06:16 GMT339_- Jerry W. Forstadt (forstadt@asu.edu) wrote:

: ValLipow@aol.com wrote: : > My aunt visited Israel last year. This week, she sent my not-yet-two year : > old : > son, Ethan, a small (5" high) menorah she bought in Jerusalem.She sent it to : > Ethan as a Hannukah gift. (So we opened it early.) It has seven : > candle-holders. [...] 19941 37 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:58:11 GMT526_- Annpatrice Kaminsky (APKaminsky@tssnet.com) wrote: : On the other hand, my son and I were leaving a restaurant one evening and saw : a homeless man in the parking lot with his paper bag full of belongings, I : gave him $10.00 and then driving home explained to my son he has no home, : car, clean clothes, etc.. It made quite an impact on my son. He still : speaks of helping the homeless man and when we say our evening prayers, : thanking Hashem for everything we have has given my son new meaning. In this : case it [...] 19979 41 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 20:23:25 GMT610_- >From article <4bpd3j$fhv@news4.digex.net>, by erics@access2.digex.net (Eric Simon):

> 2. Anonymous giving might be a little bit too abstract for a very young > child. Actually *seeing* a recipient might make a powerful message, too, > as it did in the above post.

Indeed! Our synagogue is a member of the group of local congregations that runs a free-lunch program -- the only soup kitchen open for lunch in Iowa City, and many of those of us involved in the program make it a point to involve our children. Cooking for over 100 with leftovers and castoffs provided by local restaurants, [...] 20021 38 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:30:25 GMT346_- In article , Georganne Burke wrote: >As one Toronto resident to another, the idea of children giving presents >to the hospitals or family shelters at this time is remakably non-Jewish. >There is no reason why we should be giving toys now more than any other >time of the year. [...] 20060 47 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:16:23 GMT460_- Robyn Kozierok (robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu) wrote:

: It seems a fairly lofty concept and : perhaps the right thing *is* just to introduce it "by example" by talking : about things He did/does and our relationship with Him. But that's really : the main gist of my question, at least the part that remains unanswered after : all these great replies to my original post -- do you have to introduce the : concept first, or do you just start talking? [...] 20108 95 12_Re: God-Talk0_14_dinitz@tss.com29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 21:03:52 GMT438_- Robyn K wrote: > [...] do you have to introduce the concept first, or do you just > start talking?

My approach is "just start talking." (To paraphrase the Nike ads ;^)

We can't really define God concisely. What we can do is start with a few of God's biggest claims to fame (for example, creation, Torah) and then refine that starting point through successive approximations to approach a more complete understanding. [...] 20204 21 20_Christopher ~ Yehuda11_Seth Grimes23_grimes@access.digex.net29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:39:55 GMT128_- It occured to me this morning, a Jewish equivalent of Christopher could be Yehuda or some varient (Judah, Yehudi).

Seth 20226 44 12_Re: God-Talk12_Micha Berger21_aishdas@haven.ios.com29_Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:19:40 GMT483_- My oldest and I started with a "Who made ..." game. You focus on questions like "Who made this cookie?" (Mommy), and then "Who made this pen?" (A factory), etc...

The only snafu was that we were doing this when I had taken him to see my office. So, during the commute back, I asked him who made the New York subway system. He told me "Hashem". I said, "No. Lots and lots of people." He wouldn't believe me. To him, anything on that scale HAD to have Divine origin. :-) [...] 20271 39 12_Re: God-Talk14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:11:27 GMT473_- In article <9512262108.AA01652@tekbspa.tss.com>, wrote: >Robyn K wrote: >> [...] do you have to introduce the concept first, or do you just >> start talking?

> My approach is "just start talking." (To paraphrase the Nike ads ;^)

[...]

> Robyn, as I read your follow-up questions, I sense that you feel as >if you are standing on the bank of a wide river, and you are concerned >that you may not be strong enough to swim across. [...] 20311 42 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?14_Steve Forstein19_rebsteve@dakota.net29_Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:21:09 GMT355_- ken@watson.ibm.com (Ken Goldman) wrote:

>Also (how many of us have been taught this), G-d does not claim our >soul when we go to sleep at night. He doesn't decide in the morning >whether to give it back or whether we should die. Even if I believed >that (and I don't and I don't think it's Jewish), I would never put >my son to bed with it. [...] 20354 34 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 18:04:42 GMT480_- Georganne Burke (nbcnet@inforamp.net) wrote: : As one Toronto resident to another, the idea of children giving presents : to the hospitals or family shelters at this time is remakably non-Jewish.

But, given that we are living in a remarkably non-Jewish society, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is inappropriate.

First of all, there is the principal of contributing positively to the relations between Jews and non-Jews (I forgetthe Hebrew term for this). [...] 20389 31 30_Re: Fooling Around with Prayer10_Eric Simon23_erics@access2.digex.net29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 18:26:05 GMT407_- Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: : However, he is playing with 'silly words' during the b'ruchot on : Shabbat, and now for Chanukah. I know I should just ignore this, but it : pushes about every button I've got. I really really HATE it.

My son, 2y 8mo, is pretty verbal, and has learned some of the prayers, and also like to sing 'silly' songs, occasionally with the prayers. [...] 20421 22 31_Single Mom seeks spiritual home11_A. Phillips26_102674.1417@CompuServe.COM29_Tue, 26 Dec 1995 04:10:25 GMT430_- I am a single parent of an 8 year old. Staten Island is not the most progressive place in terms of dealing with single parent families. We're looking for a welcoming, progressive spiritual community in Brooklyn. I'd also like to find a community with an active singles group. We're definitely not Orthodox, but comfortable in a liberal conservative, reconstructionist, or reform setting. Any ideas/suggestions appreciated! [...] 20444 51 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?15_Fred Rosenblatt34_Frederic.H.Rosenblatt@jpl.nasa.gov29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 19:25:47 GMT600_US-ASCII In article <4bpal7$q2f@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) wrote:

> Robyn Kozierok (robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu) wrote: > > : It seems a fairly lofty concept and > : perhaps the right thing *is* just to introduce it "by example" by talking > : about things He did/does and our relationship with Him. But that's really > : the main gist of my question, at least the part that remains unanswered after > : all these great replies to my original post -- do you have to introduce the > : concept first, or do you just start talking? > > Ryan's a smart kid, [...] 20496 44 68_Re: long distance commuting to raise kids in larger Jewish community15_Barbara Pollack29_carltech_blp@usa.pipeline.com29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:23:23 GMT417_- On Dec 19, 1995 13:51:47 in article , 'mef@netaxs.com (Mike Fessler)' wrote:



> Ironically, I think that moving to a more Jewish >community de-emphasized the importance of Jewish involvement in my >family for awhile, since my brother and I weren't "under siege" >anymore and didn't feel as much need to assert our identities. [...] 20541 19 17_Selecting a Moyel8_LATauber16_latauber@aol.com29_Wed, 27 Dec 1995 05:04:02 GMT342_- I am a first time mom looking for a moyel and would like sugestions for questions to ask when interviewing moyels. Any help would be appreciated!

Leigh Tauber Leigh Tauber

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 20561 30 22_Purim Costume Question15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:33:25 GMT268_US-ASCII At our shul, Purim is a big deal and I am already thinking about costumes. I'd like to make my 3.5 yr-old twins into Torah's, and I have a general idea of how to go about it, but I'd really like to get some hints from those that have already been there. [...] 20592 41 23_Re: Trendy Hebrew Names14_Bari Nirenberg18_nirenber@shani.net29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 08:45:03 GMT466_- In article <4bipid$gg6@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu>, js@cs.tulane.edu says... > >There is a thread going on in misc.kids right now about trendy ames. >I wonder if anyone has noticed any trends in naming Jewish kids? >Which names are hot in Israel? > >Jan, Mommy to Tovah (A name I was told is definately NOT hot in Israel), >Eliana (well, there are at least three Elianas on s.c.j.p!) and >Asher (maybe getting to be trendy in cities with large Jewisg >populations.) [...] 20634 34 53_Gift giving to children at Jewish Holidays in Israel?12_Arlene Rimer17_arimer@wimsey.com29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 02:56:36 GMT417_us-ascii An Israeli mother, temporarily in North America, told me that in Israel there are many periods of gift giving frenzy in Israel around different Jewish Holidays. One of them was Rosh Hashana. I don't remeber the others.

Does anyone know about the background of this gift giving custom in Israel , what kind of gifts are given, when and to whom? Why has this not crossed the seas to North America? [...] 20669 48 28_Play food challas and matzas13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:28:37 GMT314_us-ascii After some searching, I have found a company that sells the toy challas and matzas as a set without my having to buy the entire multicultural bread sets. The set is called "Lechem," and comes with 2 challahs and 3 matzas. (You need 2 challahs for a Shabbat or holiday meal and 3 matzas for a seder.) [...] 20718 43 26_Re: Purim Costume Question19_Cheryl Birkner Mack27_dd279@cleveland.Freenet.Edu29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:53:36 GMT524_-

Reply to message from mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu of Wed, 27 Dec > >At our shul, Purim is a big deal and I am already thinking about >costumes. I'd like to make my 3.5 yr-old twins into Torah's, and I have >a general idea of how to go about it, but I'd really like to get some >hints from those that have already been there. > >If you have ever made a Torah costume, how did you do it? > >And, if you haven't, and aren't planning to, what kind of costume are >you making your kids this year? I know some parents [...] 20762 93 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?15_M. D. Yesowitch22_yesowitc@rocza.kei.com29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:06:56 GMT655_- [Moderator's note: As interesting a topic as this is, followups that deal exclusively with issues of where the soul resides at night (or at any other time) will be redirected to soc.culture.jewish, unless they deal with the parental issues raised by this discussion.]



References: <4ba2i7$i6j@life.ai.mit.edu> <4bes77$i73@watnews1.watson.ibm.com> rebsteve@dakota.net wrote: > ken@watson.ibm.com (Ken Goldman) wrote: > > >Also (how many of us have been taught this), G-d does not claim our > >soul when we go to sleep at night. He doesn't decide in the morning > >whether to give it back or whether we should die. Even if I believed > [...] 20856 50 17_Selecting a Mohel0_14_dinitz@tss.com29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 19:53:18 GMT381_- Leigh,

First, mazal tov (assuming your son has already been born).

For us, experience was a very important criterion in selecting a mohel. There's a big difference between a mohel who does 10-20 britot weekly, and one who does 1-2 weekly. Practice makes perfect -- which means greater confidence, and lower stress (for the child, the parents, and the guests). [...] 20907 29 21_Re: Selecting a Mohel11_Seth Grimes23_grimes@access.digex.net29_Sat, 30 Dec 1995 04:41:10 GMT568_- I'd suggest, in addition to what's been written already, asking the mohel directly about his methods and his approach on health-related questions. Regarding the latter, the mohel my wife and I found visited my wife and son several days before the bris to see that the baby was up to it (because he had lost more weight than usual) and again several days or a week after too make sure the circumcision was healing adequately. He also did the pidyon ha-ben, which we might have skipped if he hadn't been so enthusiastic and convincing about it. The only thing is [...] 20937 48 25_Re: ritual vs. spiritual?12_Sophie Miron21_soph@ocf.Berkeley.EDU29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 23:55:52 GMT567_US-ASCII Robyn,

I'm sorry if my post seemed to be addressed to you. I rather intended it to address most of us Jewish parents who seem to be able to say the word "god" in one context (e.g. synogogue, passover seder) but not in others.

I do not think you ought to even attempt a definition of "God" before using the word. Actually, according to Maimonides, God is one who can only be described through negative attributes (God is not X) rather than positive ones (God is Y,Z, and Q). Since this philosophy is difficult enough for an adult to handle [...] 20986 47 33_Re: Jews and Christmas in America10_NLKBrodzki18_nlkbrodzki@aol.com29_Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:44:17 GMT581_- During Chanuka, a very good gentile friend of mine related a story to me that she found shocking, and wondered what I thought of it. A female co-worker of hers is Jewish, married to a Jew with two small children. When my friend asked her about her celebration of Chanuka, she replied that her family celebrates _both_ Chanuka and Christmas! They decorate a Christmas tree and put lights on their house and open presents from Santa on Christmas morning! They also light the chanukia during Chanuka and give presents to the children. My friend was shocked, and asked her why, [...] 21034 34 28_Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 11110_Marc Davis15_mdavis@infi.net29_Sun, 31 Dec 1995 13:34:17 GMT567_US-ASCII

RE: Selecting a Mohel.

We had a horror story. In virginia beach selections were slim. We took a Rabbi who performed the Bris, and then when my husband expressed concern several days later about the circumcision, the Rabbi refused to come and check it. He never even called to find out. We took our son to the pediatrician who was also jewish and he said that the curcumcision could have been done a bit better, but there was no permanent damage. This was in direct contrast to our first son who had a wonderful bris, but we could not get [...] 21069 65 8_G-d Talk14_Andrea Herrera15_AndreaH@utj.org29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 07:17:52 GMT557_- I can think of many instances of talking about G-d with my children. My two youngest boys seem to have an incredible "bond" with G-d. It amazes me. G-d comes up quite frequently in their conversations with eachother. Just yesterday my 4 year old, said something that sounded like "two g-ds" to his 7 year old brother. Michael (7) said, "two g-ds?", and Benjamin (4) said, "No! I didn't say that, you know there is only ONE G-d!" And then they start this discussion on where is G-d. This was totally "unmoderated" by me, I just sat back and listened. [...] 21135 29 12_Re: God-Talk0_20_marsha@datasrv.co.il29_Thu, 28 Dec 1995 19:06:32 GMT504_-

I've been reading all of these posts about God talk and I think that most kids have no problem really dealling with it at a young age. When my son Menahem died 2 1/2 years ago at the age of 5, my 3 year old daughter (as well as her 6 year old sister) took it for granted that there was a God and that he decided that my son's place was there with him. Then too, when we sat Shiva, all of the people in our community came armed with midrashim and agadot about God and children and Pikdonot [...] 21165 17 16_Boys name with M4_Lkes12_lkes@aol.com29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:35:57 GMT333_- My wife & I seek suggestions for Hebrew/Biblical names beginning with the letter "M". Any suggestions besides Moshe, Micha, Mendel, Menachim, Mordachi, Menache or Meyer?

* This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. * Always check medical and halachic opinions with appropriate authorities. 21183 45 47_creative ideas for brit milah/naming ceremonies15_Dennis Grinberg17_dennis@cs.cmu.edu29_Fri, 29 Dec 1995 16:13:30 GMT477_- Our (first) baby is due on February 12 and we are now in the process of thinking of the brit milah/naming/brit bat ceremony that will take place. (We plan on an 8th day ceremony boy or girl if health permits.) We know the stuff in Anita Diamant's book and in the First Jewish Catalog and we have some stuff from some friend's ceremonies and from the ceremonies that my wife does (she is a Rabbi). But for our own kid, we want to put more thought and creativity into it. [...] 21229 43 21_Re: Tzedaka Practices12_Sophie Miron21_soph@ocf.Berkeley.EDU29_Sat, 30 Dec 1995 00:39:44 GMT500_US-ASCII > On the other hand, my son and I were leaving a restaurant one evening and saw > a homeless man in the parking lot with his paper bag full of belongings, I > gave him $10.00 and then driving home explained to my son he has no home, > car, clean clothes, etc.. It made quite an impact on my son. He still > speaks of helping the homeless man and when we say our evening prayers, > thanking Hashem for everything we have has given my son new meaning. In this > case it was better for my [...]