1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting October 1995
2 586 53_Update on Status: soc.culture.jewish.parenting passed13_Daniel Faigin24_faigin@solarium.aero.org31_Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:01:32 -0700543_-
This message is a status update for those that have been so patient with this mailing list. As you can see by the attached, soc.culture.jewish.parenting has been approved. We are now in a five-day waiting period, after which the newgroup message will be sent out for the group.
So what does this mean for the list. Right now, we are waiting for the shamash personnel to create the new group locally on shamash, and to gateway the list to the new group. Once that is done, regular posting on the list/newsgroup may begin. [...]
589 82 30_Re: Naming for Converting Kids11_Aaron Gross21_aaron.g@ix.netcom.com29_Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:45:06 GMT563_- In robin@iglou.iglou.com (Robin Elise Weiss) writes: > >Hi everyone. I have a question, but here's a bit of background: > >I wasn't brought up any religion and have decided to convert to Judaism. >I have always been around the Jewish Community here and I am really >excited to finally come to this decision. However, I waited a bit in >life and I now have two children, who will go to the mikvah, ritual circ >for the boy, and have a naming. > >Hence the question: > >How do I go about picking a name. ANy hints or suggestions would [...]
672 32 20_Re: Rabbi Necessary?15_Gershom Barnard26_barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:47:07 GMT402_- > > Is a Rabbi necessary for a bris milah? > > Thanks, > > Jonathan Dresner > (jdresner@fas.harvard.edu) > (dresner@ccy.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp) > A rabbi is not necessary for a brit milah, just the mohel and the baby. However, it is traditional to have a minyan present, and you might want a rabbi to make some remarks, etc. Many mohalim are rabbis in any case. *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* [...]
705 47 39_Re: Just in time for Chanukah/Christmas0_13_stuie@ibm.net29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:32:11 GMT463_US-ASCII In Article, write:
> I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions which > will help me with my daughter.
> This year will be her first year that she is exposed to > Christmas and Santa Clause at her new daycare providers. > I'll look forward to discussions on how I should best handle > this and make sure that she isn't disappointed when > Santa doesn't come to our house. [...]
753 63 23_Re: December strategies17_L. Joseph Bachman25_jbachman@access.digex.net29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 01:54:43 GMT598_- karr@msc.cornell.edu (Enid Karr) writes:
>I'm sure there are a lot of other parents out there who dread december. >In recent years, it has actually become Oct31- Jan 1. Basic questions:
>4. All the decorations, trees and whatever. I let my kids see them and admire > them, they love flashy displays and lights and night. They breathe in a > deep sigh and whisper 'Christmas trees....'. But I make it very clear > that we are just witnessing another culture's practices, much as if we > were watching some foreign type of dancing. Still, two months of 'Oooh > Christmas [...]
817 26 45_Moving from Religious to non-religious school14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:02:59 GMT391_- I have a couple of personal problems with our local Jewish school (the only school in the area) and am considering all my options. How traumatic do you all think it would be for a 5yo from a frum house (shomer shabbos, kashrut etc...) to move from a frum school environment to a public school? What if it was to a public school and a Judaic studies program in a separate environment? [...]
844 44 24_Need good songs for kids15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:44:43 GMT527_- I'm thrilled to see this group up and running. Who knows, maybe this will even be the first post?
I have a 26-month-old who loves listening to music and can sing along to a lot of the songs on his tapes. I would like to be able to teach him some traditional Jewish songs as well, so they'll be ingrained, but everything I can think of from my childhood sounds awfully sad and mournful (that modal scale, I suppose). He takes best to bright, bouncy music, of course, and anything sad makes him impatient or moody. [...]
889 60 30_Re: How To Deal With Christmas16_Yehuda Berlinger29_yehudah@sunlight.cs.biu.ac.il29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:14:07 GMT522_- scjp@shamash.nysernet.org wrote: : My wife and I have two children, a boy 4+ and a girl 2+. While we are not : the : most : religious people, we are proud of our heritage. Many of our friends are : non-Jewish. : This year, the oldest is beginning to realize there is a difference in what : we do : this time of year. We have always celebrated Chanukah and have answerd the : questions off what it is. Our dilema: how do we explain the, seeemingly, : rest : of the : world's fascination with Santa Claus while still [...]
950 30 16_Rabbi necessary?16_Jonathan Dresner24_jdresner@fas.harvard.edu29_Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:56:05 GMT323_-
Wow, s.c.j.p is REAL! Just in time, too. My brother and sister-in-law's first child is due in mid-November (we don't have any ourselves yet, its never too soon to start thinking about issues). So, to start this group off with a "when the baby is born question":
Is a Rabbi necessary for a bris milah? [...]
981 50 24_Re: Methods of parenting12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:42:36 GMT491_- LT Silverman (ltsilver@borg.com) wrote: > At a bar mitzvah this weekend, a friend and I were discussing the > problems of congregants who had to sit through children running up and > down the aisles. Her objection was not to the children's presence or > their occasional laughs, cries, or talking (adults in the congregation do > more than the kids)--afterall they are our future. Her objection was to > the parents allow those kids to disturb the daveners and disrupt the > service. [...]
1032 34 48_Re: attack of the Santa figure (was: no subject)13_Peter Perlman23_pperlman@acpub.duke.edu29_Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:24:52 GMT567_- What do you with Barney? Superman? Daffy duck? I think once they're out there in kid consciousness, you can't take them back. Eight year old scientific thinking and chutzpa seems to do a pretty good job of that anyway. Who is this Santa guy anyway and what does he really have to do with Christianity? Or the Easter Bunny--He doesn't show up in either testament, and orthodox christian's don't like him much either. I tend to talk in terms of "lots of special heros, figures, people"...and make sure that Jewish figures get good pr. Kids at a pretty young age [...]
1067 27 20_Re: Rabbi Necessary?11_Seth Gordon24_sethg@bronze.lcs.mit.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:18:46 GMT218_- In article <46q3ig$du@decaxp.harvard.edu> jdresner@fas.harvard.edu (Jonathan Dresner) writes: > > Is a Rabbi necessary for a bris milah?
To the best of my knowledge: No, not even by Orthodox standards.
1095 43 20_Re: Rabbi Necessary?15_Martin M. Cohen15_mcohen@ucla.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:13:38 GMT493_- In article <470b6b$eru@babbage.ece.uc.edu>, barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu (Gershom Barnard) wrote:
> > > > Is a Rabbi necessary for a bris milah? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jonathan Dresner > > (jdresner@fas.harvard.edu) > > (dresner@ccy.yamaguchi-u.ac.jp) > > > A rabbi is not necessary for a brit milah, just the mohel and the baby. > However, it is traditional to have a minyan present, and you might > want a rabbi to make some remarks, etc. Many mohalim are rabbis in > any case. [...]
1139 47 31_Re: Birthday Parties on Shabbat12_Bill Coleman23_clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:19:16 GMT604_- In article <9510242243.AA02382@norad.pencom.com>, Steven R Weintraub wrote: >I don't know if this is a gripe I just want to get off my chest, or I >want real advice. My daughter (Shoshana) is around 3 and all of her >friends are just now having their third birthday party. Needless to say, >this is a new procedure to us. The problem is that so many of their >parties occur on Shabbat. > >While I understand Non-Jewish parents not worrying about this, many of >these invitations come from children in her Jewish Day School class. >I feel awkward. While the non-Jewish parents [...]
1187 38 20_The December Dilemma13_Gail S. White21_gs14@acmex.gatech.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:23:19 GMT569_-
Hello from Georgia - yes there are Jews here! Having grown up in the south with few Jewish friends (until I got to college) and now raising two of my own (David-4, Cecelia-2), I've just about figured this December thing out. Sure it may pull at your heart a bit thinking that your kids feel they are missing something, but the most important thing is for you, the parents to really emphasize that we have nothing to apologize for - by making a Jewish home throughout the year, hopefully your child will have a Jewish identity that brings him/her through [...]
1226 38 24_the 7 yiddish dwarfs :-)18_Amy & Dane Harwood23_amydane@harwood.iii.net29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:28:16 GMT254_us-ascii Tonight at the dinner table I was in a foul mood and said I was grumpy. So my husband asked if I was also Dopey :-), From there we three segued into the 7 Jewish dwarfs. This really cheered my mood, hope it will do the same for all of you: [...]
1265 36 24_Re: The December Dilemma11_Ina Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:05:35 GMT591_- Our problem is presents. Both sets of grandparents (Jewish and non-Jewish) view Hannukah a big gift-giving holiday. We want a more traditional approach, gelt and games not Toys R Us. We have requested that they use birthdays as the major gift-giving day, send only one present per child in December and not use (even secular) Christmas wrapping paper. They got mad and the uncles and aunts still ignore birthdays while sending huge packages of gifts around the end of December (no matter when Hannukah falls). We are about to send out a letter stating that extra gifts and gifts that [...]
1302 43 29_Re: Jewish Preschool Question11_Alan Houser15_troop24@emf.net29_Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:51:51 GMT544_- Marjorie Peskin (mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:
: This morning, as I was dropping my kids off at their Jewish Preschool, I : noticed a new photo exhibit of one class eating in the school's sukkot. : One of the most prominent photos was of the class's only non-Jewish : child, hand over her eyes, obviously saying the barucha as she faced the : candles. At first I thought, "Oh isn't that nice to see N in that photo, : doesn't she look sweet." But a bit later it struck me that it was maybe : the slightest bit tacky to use the [...]
1346 81 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue14_Andrea Herrera15_andreah@utj.org29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 06:06:26 GMT593_- aaron.g@ix.netcom.com (Aaron Gross) wrote:
>... One view, with which I agree, is that >the home and not the synagogue is the center of Jewish life, and that >it is inappropriate to bring children to synagogue until they are old >enough to behave themselves.
While I agree that the center of Jewish life should be the home, and not the synagogue, being at home does not fulfill the need for Jewish community. Being with other Jews and celebrating Shabbat and Holidays as a family, is also important. Over the past few months, I have read a lot of postings about synagogues [...]
1428 44 29_Re: Jewish Preschool Question12_Bill Coleman23_clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 08:11:24 GMT620_- In article <46pued$p5a@tribune.usask.ca>, wrote: >>From article <46o9bt$66f@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, >> by mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin): >> > Tacky, maybe, but not the same as if your kid was on the wall as the > Easter Bunny in a public, or non-religious sponsored school. If I > sent my Jewish child to a preschool sponsored by a church, for instance, > then I don't think I'd have the right to complain if my child happened > to be photographed performing a ritual of that faith. It comes with > the territory; by sending a child to a school of religious persuasion > "X", [...]
1473 48 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:59:44 GMT634_- In article <46rim2$qv0@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, Aaron Gross wrote: >Five is a practical lower limit on age to bring a child to synagogue. >They really do not gain anything before that age.
I really have to disagree with this. My son is only 2, but gains a lot from attending services regularly. He has recently started singing along to the Aleinu, and has for a long time enjoyed saying "amen" at the appropriate times, and saying Shabbat Shalom to the Rabbi after the service. When we go for Saturday evening services, he especially loves havdalah, especially sniffing the spices. He is learning [...]
1522 58 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287925_jones@pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:19:26 GMT592_- >From article <46rim2$qv0@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, by aaron.g@ix.netcom.com (Aaron Gross):
> In <46okoq$ggj@news.borg.com> LT Silverman writes: >> >>At a bar mitzvah this weekend, a friend and I were discussing the >>problems of congregants who had to sit through children running up and >>down the aisles. ... > > This is a difficult situation. One view, with which I agree, is that > the home and not the synagogue is the center of Jewish life, and that > it is inappropriate to bring children to synagogue until they are old > enough to behave themselves. [...]
1581 60 29_Re: Jewish Preschool Question14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:39:17 GMT595_- In article <46o9bt$66f@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, Marjorie Peskin wrote: > >This morning, as I was dropping my kids off at their Jewish Preschool, I >noticed a new photo exhibit of one class eating in the school's sukkot. >One of the most prominent photos was of the class's only non-Jewish >child, hand over her eyes, obviously saying the barucha as she faced the >candles. At first I thought, "Oh isn't that nice to see N in that photo, >doesn't she look sweet." But a bit later it struck me that it was maybe >the slightest bit tacky to use the token gentile (this [...]
1642 28 48_Re: attack of the Santa figure (was: no subject)47_Bread and water can so easily be toast and tea.25_rscw081@CNSVAX.ALBANY.EDU29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:43:18 GMT330_- I remember when I was young and asked my mother if Santa was real, she said (paraphrasing) "Yes, and no. No, there is no man in red who climbs into people's housses to leave presents. But Santa is a very real idea, like a symbol of all of the good will, and love that they feel for each other during the Christmas season." [...]
1671 32 23_Jewish Halloween Story!25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:20:36 GMT463_- My parents were babysitting Shana the other night, and my mom brought out the big ol' pile of Halloween books that she has. Given that there seems to be more and more feeling these days among parts of the Jewish community about not taking part in trick or treating (not my personal philosophy :-), I was rather surprised to come across a little treasure called "The Rabbi and the 29 Witches!" It was like a cross betwen a Chelm story and the Wizard of Oz. [...]
1704 69 24_Re: Methods of parenting11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:20:03 GMT385_- > How does one balance the rights of the congregation and the need to > encourage participation of young families with too active children as in > this case? > Here's how our congregation handles it.
First, we distinguish between a Shabbat service, which we feel is a time for families to celebrate together, and (e.g.) Kol Nidre which is a time for quiet introspection. [...]
1774 78 24_Re: Methods of parenting15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:18:40 GMT632_- LT Silverman (ltsilver@borg.com) wrote:
Story of unruly kids at a Bar Mitzvah deleted for brevity.
: How does one balance the rights of the congregation and the need to : encourage participation of young families with too active children as in : this case?
In my shul, we have Tot Shabbat, Nitzanim, Mini Minyan and Jr. Congregation services tailored to specific age groups. Within those special children's services are many unruly kids who are having a great time learning about Judaism through song, dance, and acting. This allows parents a place to introduce Shabbat worship on a weekly basis, whilst [...]
1853 39 20_Re: Rabbi Necessary?25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 05:09:34 GMT412_- In article <46q3ig$du@decaxp.harvard.edu>, Jonathan Dresner wrote: > >Wow, s.c.j.p is REAL! Just in time, too. My brother and sister-in-law's >first child is due in mid-November (we don't have any ourselves yet, its >never too soon to start thinking about issues). So, to start this group >off with a "when the baby is born question": > > Is a Rabbi necessary for a bris milah? [...]
1893 88 36_Competing with Xmas (was no subject)19_Olga from the Volga16_olga1@netcom.com29_Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:06:29 GMT643_- Caren Feldman wrote:
>Let me say first of all how thrilled I am at the passing >of soc.culture.jewish.parenting, an idea whose time came >a long time ago but just didn't or couldn't happen.
>That said, let me kick off the newsgroup with my first >question:
>We live in a community where for the first time, the >Jewish community is more than several orders of magnitude >smaller than the communities my husband and I respectively >grew up in (large East Coast US cities). When Christmas >came around, there was enough Jewish influence to >counteract the effects of the Christmas hoopla, [...]
1982 47 41_Sukkah lights (WasRe: December strategies17_L. Joseph Bachman26_jbachman@access5.digex.net29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:13:52 GMT570_US-ASCII
On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Steven R Weintraub wrote:
> In article you write: > >karr@msc.cornell.edu (Enid Karr) writes: > > > >Oh, and I'm waiting untill Dec. 26 to get a good deal on those tacky > >flashing lights. I think they'll look great on our sukkah next year. > >(Now how many Christian kids and their families get to put up a sukkah > >and eat in it?) > > > I suggest you look a little harder. We have found lights in the shape > of many different fruit and vegatables. They are real appropriate for [...]
2030 42 23_Unexpected Antisemitism0_24_faigin@solarium.aero.org29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:33 GMT570_-
This weekend, my wife, daughter, and I volunteered our time at a local railroad museum. We had one incident happen that I'd like to share, and get some opinions on.
Sunday morning in Carbarn 4, whilst waiting for my train to be ready, I was talking to some of the other volunteers there. I happened to look down at a newsletter someone had been reading (I didn't recognize the person; I didn't see a member badge or a volunteer badge). The newsletter had a cover article on changes at Disney. He saw me looking at the newsletter and said something [...]
2073 57 28_Re: Need good songs for kids12_Haran Rashes15_haran@umich.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 14:45:45 GMT577_- On Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:44:43 -0800 robin@dgsys.com (Robin Netherton) wrote:
>I have a 26-month-old who loves listening to music and can sing along to a >lot of the songs on his tapes. I would like to be able to teach him some >traditional Jewish songs as well, so they'll be ingrained, but >everything I can think of from my childhood sounds awfully sad and >mournful (that modal scale, I suppose). He takes best to bright, bouncy >music, of course, and anything sad makes him impatient or moody. >... >So, can anyone recommend a good tape of Jewish music lively [...]
2131 50 29_Re: Jewish Preschool Question15_Jeremy Nussbaum20_jeremy@jeremy.hi.com29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:28:52 GMT574_- In article <46o9bt$66f@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Marjorie Peskin) writes: |> |> This morning, as I was dropping my kids off at their Jewish Preschool, I |> noticed a new photo exhibit of one class eating in the school's sukkot. |> One of the most prominent photos was of the class's only non-Jewish |> child, hand over her eyes, obviously saying the barucha as she faced the |> candles. At first I thought, "Oh isn't that nice to see N in that photo, |> doesn't she look sweet." But a bit later it struck me that it was maybe |> the slightest bit [...]
2182 40 22_Status of Mailing List13_Daniel Faigin24_faigin@solarium.aero.org31_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:56:38 -0800427_-
As one of the owners of this list, I've received a number of mail messages wondering why the list was so quiet. Let me give you an update on status.
As you know, this list is bidirectionally gatewayed to soc.culture.jewish.parenting, which was created last week. It seems we are having some trouble with this gateway. We have alerted the kind folks at Shamash, and they are working on fixing the problem. [...]
2223 30 24_Need Fundraising Ideas!!9_Amy Siary18_asiary@tx.ncsu.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:15:21 GMT669_-
Shalom,
I'm looking for some new, fun, and creative fundraising ideas for our preschool. If you'd like to share any especially lucrative ideas, please write me back. Now that the holidays are over, we've got some time and energy to devote to fundraising.
Thanks alot.
Amy Siary Hillel Community School Raleigh, NC
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2254 70 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue17_L. Joseph Bachman25_jbachman@access.digex.net29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:51:46 GMT348_-
I think that there are two important points about this issue that may seem contradictory, but, IMO, aren't:
1) Kids belong in synagogue and should be encouraged to attend and feel welcome.
2) Kids need to be supervised and controlled and their energy channeled during the services so that they don't disturb everybody. [...]
2325 49 16_December dilemma13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:58:01 GMT522_- I was putting Sukkah decorations away yesterday (yeah ok, but we've been busy,) and I was thinking about the thread here and in misc.kids about Xmas. I may be naive because my son is only 2, but it seems to be that a kid who decorates a sukkah doesn't need a tree, and a kid who has Purim doesn't need Halloween etc. (BTW, we put clear Xmas lights up on the ceiling of our sukkah and it looks like little stars!) Maybe the best solution to the problem in public schools is to send Jewish kids to Jewish schools. My [...]
2375 73 31_Re: Birthday Parties on Shabbat11_dana siegel21_dana.siegel@zhora.com29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:25:46 GMT614_- In article , clmn@midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
> In article <9510242243.AA02382@norad.pencom.com>, > Steven R Weintraub wrote: > >I don't know if this is a gripe I just want to get off my chest, or I want > >real advice. My daughter (Shoshana) is around 3 and all of her friends are > >just now having their third birthday party. Needless to y, this is a new > >procedure to us. The problem is that so many of their parties occur on > >Shabbat. > > > >While I understand Non-Jewish parents not worrying about this, many of > >these invitations come [...]
2449 53 24_Re: The December Dilemma25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:58:46 GMT632_- In article <472m3f$7k2@news.iastate.edu>, Ina Pour-El wrote: > Our problem is presents. Both sets of grandparents (Jewish and >non-Jewish) view Hannukah a big gift-giving holiday. We want a more >traditional approach, gelt and games not Toys R Us. We have requested that >they use birthdays as the major gift-giving day, send only one present > per child in December and not use (even secular) Christmas wrapping paper. >They got mad and the uncles and aunts still ignore birthdays while sending >huge packages of gifts around the end of December (no matter when Hannukah >falls). > We are about to send [...]
2503 31 52_Is there a good mail order place for Hanukkah toys ?11_Inna Lauris23_inna@hpindda.cup.hp.com29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:23:26 GMT343_-
As Hanukkah is rapidly approaching, I am starting to look for some small toys to fill goodie bags for kids. It's not surpursing to me that I don't see any Hanukkah type toys in traditional party favors catalogs, that I usually use for birthday party goodie bags.
Has anyone seen any ctalogue or place like this ? [...]
2535 40 18_Re: songs for kids13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:36:04 GMT556_- My 2yo loves Uncle Moishy and the Mitzva Men. There are at least 8 tapes that I know of. Start with the Classics tape if you want to avoid made-up songs. (I think it's Suki and Ding Present Uncle Moishy and Jewish Classics.) Paul Zim has 2 nice tapes for Shabbat and Pesach. The kids who sing on them are real kids, not professional singers, so if you have any musical background you might want to be forewarned. The Shabbat one goes through a medley of the standard melodies from Kabbalat Shabbat through Havdala. Pesach goes through the seder. My [...]
2576 54 20_Re: December dilemma13_Jody Eisenman16_iceman@intac.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:14:23 GMT532_- An excellent post!
Louise Miller (miller@louise.ucsd.edu) wrote: : I was putting Sukkah decorations away yesterday (yeah ok, but we've : been busy,) and I was thinking about the thread here and in misc.kids : about Xmas. I may be naive because my son is only 2, but it seems : to be that a kid who decorates a sukkah doesn't need a tree, and a : kid who has Purim doesn't need Halloween etc. (BTW, we put clear : Xmas lights up on the ceiling of our sukkah and it looks like little : stars!) : Maybe the best solution [...]
2631 83 23_Re: December strategies10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:00:45 GMT353_- In article <46rc69$jqm@canyon.sr.hp.com> hmoss@sr.hp.com (Howard Moss) writes: > mentioned). My kids (after their Jewish Preschool years) are full aware > that they are the only Jews in their public school. My wife has done small > programs for their classes for Passover and Hanukah, so we don't hide our > religion and I think that helps, too. [...]
2715 28 24_Re: Methods of parenting14_Robyn Kozierok26_robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:01:29 GMT451_- In article <4731g3$ikm@watnews1.watson.ibm.com>, Ken Goldman wrote: >We handle Hebrew school the same way. A parent is required to accompany >the child in the class. We never have discipline problems.
Huh? What about families with more children (in different classes) than parents? Or is your Hebrew school more of a communal one-class thing? When do you schedule Hebrew school so that parents are free to attend? [...]
2744 83 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:51:54 GMT798_- <46tgh0$n5f@life.ai.mit.edu> Reply-To: pitesky@mira.astro.ucla.edu Approved: Nina Salkin Distribution: X-Moderation-Tool: Id: scjp.randomizer 1.23 1995/10/30 22:30:17 faigin Exp
In article <46tgh0$n5f@life.ai.mit.edu>, Robyn Kozierok wrote: >In article <46rim2$qv0@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, >Aaron Gross wrote: >>Five is a practical lower limit on age to bring a child to synagogue. >>They really do not gain anything before that age. > >I really have to disagree with this. My son is only 2, but gains a lot >from attending services regularly. He has recently started singing along >to the Aleinu, and has for a long time enjoyed saying "amen" at the >appropriate times, and saying Shabbat Shalom [...]
2828 74 49_Re: Moving from Religious to non-religious school11_Aaron Gross21_aaron.g@ix.netcom.com29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:53:06 GMT339_- [moderator - Steven Weintraub - while some people might find this personally attacking, it not meant to be. It is the author's personal opinion and not aimed at anyone personally. The moderator wishes to remind people who disagree with this article to attack the argument and not the author or people who might hold these opinions] [...]
2903 55 34_Decisions about Jewish Day Schools15_David Sieradzki16_DSIERADZ@fcc.gov29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:32:21 GMT516_- Here's a message I recently posted to another discussion group. With apologies to anyone who read it there, I'd be interested in SCJP readers' reactions.
On 10/15/95 02:32pm, Josh Friedman wrote: <> [...]
2959 57 31_Re: Birthday Parties on Shabbat10_David Karr19_karr@CS.Cornell.EDU29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:19:37 GMT529_- In article <473a04$5h1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (naomi pardue) writes: >Bill Coleman (clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote: >> It must be made clear >> that birthday parties have to be accesible to every child in the class, >> and that Shabbat parties are therefore out of the question. If the rule >> applies to everyone [...] > >Maybe I missed something here... but [...] >The teacher may well explain to parents to shabbat birthday parties are >not a good idea, but you can hardly forbid them. [...]
3017 44 24_Re: The December Dilemma12_Cathy Kearns22_cathy.kearns@octel.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:51:41 GMT603_us-ascii
> Our problem is presents. Both sets of grandparents (Jewish and >non-Jewish) view Hannukah a big gift-giving holiday. We want a more >traditional approach, gelt and games not Toys R Us. We have requested that >they use birthdays as the major gift-giving day, send only one present > per child in December and not use (even secular) Christmas wrapping paper. >They got mad and the uncles and aunts still ignore birthdays while sending >huge packages of gifts around the end of December (no matter when Hannukah >falls). > We are about to send out a letter stating that extra gifts [...]
3062 69 23_Re: December strategies15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:25:54 GMT565_- naomi pardue (npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote: > Shaina also thinks they're lovely. (And was awed when we went to the > mall last week and one of the stores already had their trees out. She > said "Look Mommy! Christmas trees! Just like Grandma has!" [Grandma > isn't Jewish.]. To date (she'll be 4 in a month) she has not done more > than request a tree, and accept my explanation that we don't have > Christmas trees because we're Jewish. As her social circle expands, I'm > not looking forward to dealing with the issue this year when "Meagan has > [...]
3132 144 40_Re: Competing with Xmas (was no subject)0_35_dzimmerman@ccmail.casi.sti.nasa.gov29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:44:36 GMT590_-
I to am thrilled with the passing of this list. I would also like to communicate to other parents on the raising of TEENAGERS. Anyone intereted please respond to me personally. I would really appreciate it!!!
Caren,
I am a jewish Mom of twin 13 year olds (son and daughter). I am married to a wonderful man who is not jewish and does not practice his religion except for family gatherings on his holidays and Christmas decorations. Our children were just Bnai Mitzvah'd in February. WE are so very proud of them...and it can be done by all. Whether you [...]
3277 62 31_Re: Birthday Parties on Shabbat12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:45:08 GMT596_- X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Approved: Nina Salkin Distribution: X-Moderation-Tool: Id: scjp.randomizer 1.23 1995/10/30 22:30:17 faigin Exp
Bill Coleman (clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote: > In article <9510242243.AA02382@norad.pencom.com>, > Steven R Weintraub wrote: > >I don't know if this is a gripe I just want to get off my chest, or I > >want real advice. My daughter (Shoshana) is around 3 and all of her > >friends are just now having their third birthday party. Needless to say, [...]
3340 46 24_Re: The December Dilemma12_henry mirsky12_hbm@usa1.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:41:06 GMT561_- We went through the same struggle when our children were young. They are now in their early twenties and have no problems with their identities as Jews. You are in a struggle that you can't win. You lose if you win. The struggle for power will consume or sour your relationships with people who you both need in your life. They won't corrupt your children. You have more influence with your children than you give yourself credit for. You both are the most important example they have to emulate. Let your children know how you feel about the giving and [...]
3387 143 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue11_Aaron Gross21_aaron.g@ix.netcom.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:34:04 GMT625_- In <46v26g$a85@hackberry.zilker.net> andreah@utj.org (Andrea Herrera) writes: > >aaron.g@ix.netcom.com (Aaron Gross) wrote: > >>... One view, with which I agree, is that >>the home and not the synagogue is the center of Jewish life, and that >>it is inappropriate to bring children to synagogue until they are old >>enough to behave themselves. > >While I agree that the center of Jewish life should be the home, and >not the synagogue, being at home does not fulfill the need for Jewish >community. Being with other Jews and celebrating Shabbat and Holidays >as a family, is also important. Over the past few months, [...]
3531 64 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue25_Jo Pitesky UCLA Astronomy25_pitesky@mira.berkeley.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:04:26 GMT713_- In article <4742n2$46u@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Aaron Gross wrote: >In <46tgh0$n5f@life.ai.mit.edu> robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) >writes: > >>Our strategy for the time being has been to attend the shorter and >less- >>attended services Friday and/or Saturday evenings. Those services are >>smaller and less formal than the Shabbat morning services, and the >regulars >>enjoy Ryan's presence (for the most part). > >Just a question... If you and your husband have chosen to reduce your >participation in services to accomodate your children, when will you >have a possibility to make up the time and to augment your own >spirituality? > >In my experience, the children [...]
3596 96 31_Re: Birthday Parties on Shabbat18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:55:10 GMT600_US-ASCII This is what David Karr says : > In article <473a04$5h1@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, > npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (naomi pardue) writes: > >Bill Coleman (clmn@ellis.uchicago.edu) wrote: > >> It must be made clear > >> that birthday parties have to be accesible to every child in the class,
> >> and that Shabbat parties are therefore out of the question. If the rule > >> applies to everyone [...] > > > >Maybe I missed something here... but [...] > >The teacher may well explain to parents to shabbat birthday parties are > >not a good idea, but you can hardly forbid them. > > [...]
3693 63 56_Re: Is there a good mail order place for Hanukkah toys ?0_35_dzimmerman@ccmail.casi.sti.nasa.gov29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:29:00 GMT564_-
Inna,
My children are much older now, but I have always kept it simple for the first 6 days. Hannukah gelt, special pencils, pens, crayons, jewish story books, jewish paper weights, jewish symbols on a rubik's cube, childrens jewlery, special interests, little cars, stuffed animals etc. Our temple always holds a Hannukah Bazaar and some the gift ideas are great. Some parents even make some things to sell. The last two days we may give the children A movie, a video game, and on the last day it would be one really special requested gift. [...]
3757 38 27_Re: Unexpected Antisemitism18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:45:53 GMT328_-
Excerpts from mail: 30-Oct-95 Unexpected Antisemitism by faigin@solarium.aero.org > My question is this: My daughter is just about a year, and so probably didn't > catch it. What if she was older? How do you explain people like this to > children? What do you teach children to do when faced with antisemitism? > [...]
3796 75 30_Need good songs for kids (fwd)18_Steven R Weintraub18_stevenw@pencom.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:04:39 GMT520_US-ASCII This is what Robin Netherton says : > > I have a 26-month-old who loves listening to music and can sing along to a > lot of the songs on his tapes. I would like to be able to teach him some > traditional Jewish songs as well, so they'll be ingrained, but > everything I can think of from my childhood sounds awfully sad and > mournful (that modal scale, I suppose). He takes best to bright, bouncy > music, of course, and anything sad makes him impatient or moody. > > So, can anyone recommend a good tape [...]
3872 97 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue11_Aaron Gross21_aaron.g@ix.netcom.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:46:58 GMT754_- <46tgh0$n5f@life.ai.mit.edu> X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Oct 30 6:46:58 PM PST 1995 Approved: Nina Salkin Distribution: X-Moderation-Tool: Id: scjp.randomizer 1.23 1995/10/30 22:30:17 faigin Exp
In <46tgh0$n5f@life.ai.mit.edu> robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes: > >In article <46rim2$qv0@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, >Aaron Gross wrote: >>Five is a practical lower limit on age to bring a child to synagogue. >>They really do not gain anything before that age. > >I really have to disagree with this. My son is only 2, but gains a lot >from attending services regularly. He has recently started singing along >to the Aleinu, and has for a long time enjoyed saying "amen" at the [...]
3970 87 54_Re: Methods of parenting - children noise in synagogue11_Aaron Gross21_aaron.g@ix.netcom.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:47:23 GMT610_- In jbachman@access.digex.net (L. Joseph Bachman) writes: > > >I think that there are two important points about this issue that may seem >contradictory, but, IMO, aren't: > >1) Kids belong in synagogue and should be encouraged to attend and feel welcome. > >2) Kids need to be supervised and controlled and their energy channeled during > the services so that they don't disturb everybody. > > >A corollary to these is that the adult worshippers need to have some >tolerance for minor amounts of noise made by the kids. Somehere on the Net, >I remember someone came up with [...]
4058 40 49_Re: Moving from Religious to non-religious school15_Gershom Barnard26_barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:35:06 GMT626_- I have become wary of sweeping generalizations about Jewish life. People have many different reasons for sending their children to one school or another. My children started out in an Orthodox day school. They later went to a "community" day school, and then to public high school. They were outsiders at all three places. We are traditionally observant Conservative Jews. At the first school, my kids were outsiders because they went to a Conservative synagogue. At the second, they were outsiders because we were strictly observant. At the third, they have been outsiders because we are observant Jews. They adjusted [...]
4099 46 33_Appropriate gift for bat mitzvah?19_Clare Bates Congdon30_congdon@buzzard.eecs.umich.edu29_Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:57:57 GMT572_- Hi all --
We've recently been invited to our babysitter's daughter's bat mitzvah. We won't be able to go, but I'm really touched to have been invited, and would like to give Barbara a nice gift. We're not Jewish, so I'm not really clear on what's considered an appropriate gift.
I caught just the tail end of a question about this on misc.kids, which suggested that a fountain pen was a traditional gift. I adore fountain pens, and love to give them to people, but I wonder about it being a traditional gift... Does that imply that Barbara's going to [...]
4146 41 24_Re: Methods of Parenting18_Thomas A Longstaff20_tl2b+@andrew.cmu.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:36:35 GMT304_- I belong to a big Reform Congregation and I have a 5 yo son who has attended services with us since we joined when he was two. I am always suprised when I here that children should go to baby sitting. Children are our future and if we want them to come to Temple then we should make them welcome. [...]
4188 113 49_Re: Moving from Religious to non-religious school12_naomi pardue30_npardue@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:31:23 GMT392_- Aaron Gross (aaron.g@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > [moderator - Steven Weintraub - while some people might find this personally > attacking, it not meant to be. It is the author's personal opinion and not > aimed at anyone personally. The moderator wishes to remind people who > disagree with this article to attack the argument and not the author or people > who might hold these opinions] [...]
4302 33 28_Re: Need good songs for kids15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:35:51 GMT380_US-ASCII
My kids both LOVE David Paskin, who does an interesting mix of Yiddishe rock-n-roll, with some electric guitar liturgical songs. Its VERY hard to define what he does, but the most loved song on his tape is called "We're talkin Torah". He does a fabulous live performance for kids, filled with lots of energy, jumping up and down, and audience participation. [...]
4336 43 28_Re: Need Fundraising Ideas!!13_Louise Miller22_miller@louise.ucsd.edu29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:46:53 GMT378_us-ascii OK it's late for this year, but the local day school here sells schach. They charge $25 for enough to cover an 8X10 sukkah. They get it from the city's maintenance dept. It sells very well, because most people don't have the time to to it themselves. (We also don't have a lot of trees here in San Diego, and the trees in your condo complex are not yours to cut.) [...]
4380 58 24_Re: Methods of parenting11_Ken Goldman20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:08:29 GMT508_- robyn@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Robyn Kozierok) writes: > Ken Goldman wrote: > >We handle Hebrew school the same way. A parent is required to accompany > >the child in the class. We never have discipline problems. > > Huh? What about families with more children (in different classes) than > parents? Or is your Hebrew school more of a communal one-class thing? > When do you schedule Hebrew school so that parents are free to attend? > > Confused, > --Robyn (mommy to Ryan 9/7/93) [...]
4439 36 20_Re: Rabbi Necessary?15_Robin Netherton15_robin@dgsys.com29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:40:46 GMT283_- Gershom Barnard (barnard@physung.phy.uc.edu) wrote: > A rabbi is not necessary for a brit milah, just the mohel and the baby. > However, it is traditional to have a minyan present, and you might > want a rabbi to make some remarks, etc. Many mohalim are rabbis in > any case. [...]
4476 44 57_Non-Observant Relatives (was: How to Deal With Christmas)15_David Sieradzki16_DSIERADZ@fcc.gov29_Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:45:56 GMT532_- Yehuda Berlinger writes: <