1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting November 2003 2 56 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:7232] FW: Poisoned baby formula14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:56:06 EST579_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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A note I got back.



Aliza -----Original Message----- From: chaim.haas@eurorscg.com [mailto:chaim.haas@eurorscg.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:53 PM To: fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Poisoned baby formula



In Riverdale they announced that its full name is PediaCare Remedial Baby Formula.



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BECKENHAM, England---PRNewswire---True Health, Inc, (OTC Bulletin Board: T= RHL) an emerging leader in healthcare recruitment and pressure relieving s= ystems, announces that it has retained the investor and public relations s= ervices of New York-based Sky Investor Relations. [...] 153 43 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:7234] Simchat Bat10_Danielle N29_danielle@ponfusassociates.com29_Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:39:13 EST560_- I am trying to create an orthodox ceremony to mark the birth of my daughter. I don't want this to be a female version of a brit, but to be a short ceremony which will be meaningful for her (when she's old enough to understand) as a welcome into the Jewish community and a celebration of her arrival as a little Jewish woman. I'm really struggling to find resources online which might help me do this and am also trying to locate appropriate potential readings - either from tenach or Rambam, Rashi etc which might reflect either on the responsibilities [...] 197 37 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7235] Re: Simchat Bat13_Daniel Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net29_Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:30:22 EST501_- I have a simchat bat service I worked up for my daughter. You can get a copy by visiting the Information Files section at www.mljewish.org.

Daniel



W/H: faigin -at pacificnet.net http://www.pacificnet.net/~faigin/ Mod., Mail.Liberal-Judaism (www.mljewish.org) Advisor, s.c.j.Parenting Maintainer, S.C.J FAQ/RL (www.scjfaq.org) Daddy to Erin Shoshana Maintainer, Calif. Highways List (www.cahighways.org) Webmaven, Temple Beth Torah of Granada Hills (www.bethtorah-sfv.org) [...] 235 44 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7236] Re: Simchat Bat27_Dr. Shlomo Argamon Engelson29_argamon@sunlight.cs.biu.ac.il29_Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:54:05 EST483_-

danielle@ponfusassociates.com (Danielle N) writes:

> I am trying to create an orthodox ceremony to mark the birth of my=20 > daughter.

MAZAL TOV! (Or is it "Besha'ah tovah!")

The text of the ceremony we used for our daughters Shalhevet and Hila can be found at http://ir.iit.edu/~argamon/zeved/. It's almost entirely in Hebrew; feel free to email me at argamon@argamon.com if you have any questions. I hope you find it helpful and of interest!=20 [...] 280 78 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7237] Re: Simchat Bat13_Patricia Heil18_pjayheil@erols.com29_Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:33:09 EST663_-

You can't create an orthodox ceremony. Only a Rabbinical Authority can do that. Rashi on chumash is here. http://www.tachash.org/texis/vtx/chumash

There are midrashim and part of Talmud at www.sacred-texts.com

Here is a Maimonides resource but the Mishneh Torah requires Hebrew. http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker/rambam.html

Danielle N wrote: >=20 > I am trying to create an orthodox ceremony to mark the birth of my=20 > daughter. I don't want this to be a female version of a brit, but to=20 > be a short ceremony which will be meaningful for her (when she's old=20 > enough to understand) as a welcome into the Jewish community [...] 359 42 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7238] Re: Simchat Bat15_Binyamin Dissen28_postingid@dissensoftware.com29_Wed, 19 Nov 2003 09:34:31 EST267_- On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:57:31 -0000 danielle@ponfusassociates.com (Danielle N) wrote:

:>I am trying to create an orthodox ceremony to mark the birth of my :>daughter.=20

Typical way is a Kiddush on the following Shabbos, when the girl is named.

402 54 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7239] Re: Simchat Bat6_cindys24_cstein1@rochester.rr.com29_Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:28:06 EST546_- "Patricia Heil" wrote in message news:3FB4F2CC.98DBB63@erols.com... > > You can't create an orthodox ceremony. Only a Rabbinical > Authority can do that. Rashi on chumash is here. > http://www.tachash.org/texis/vtx/chumash > > There are midrashim and part of Talmud at www.sacred-texts.com > > Here is a Maimonides resource but the Mishneh Torah requires Hebrew. > http://www.panix.com/~jjbaker/rambam.html > > Danielle N wrote: > > > > I am trying to create an orthodox ceremony to mark the birth of my > > daughter. [...] 457 39 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:7241] Chanukah reading4_Knut23_knut@heidelberg.zzn.com29_Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:56:47 EST87_- I'm looking for some chanukah texts to read for non-Jewish children age 4-10. Anyone? 497 39 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:7242] Re: Simchat Bat13_Aimee Yermish21_ayermish@alum.mit.edu29_Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:07:19 EST438_- Check out the New Jewish Baby Book by Anita Diamant -- some interesting ideas and readings and such. Given that this is going to be an Orthodox ceremony, you may not have a huge amount of leeway, but you could consider having a home-based party (which wouldn't have any halachic status and therefore you'd have a *lot* more room to play (including being able to include Mom)) in addition to the formal synagogue-based naming/oneg. [...] 537 52 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:7243] Re: Chanukah reading14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:10:46 EST610_- In article <1iio4fpkgv7uv$.1eu6r0nbkzetr.dlg@40tude.net>, Knut wrote: >I'm looking for some chanukah texts to read for non-Jewish children age >4-10. Anyone?

I'm not sure if this suits your purpose, but one picture book I've used with public school classes of K-3 kids is "Grandma's Latkes" by Malka Drucker.

The Ingram description is: As Molly and her grandmother prepare latkes, her grandmother recalls the Hanukkah story of the tyranny of Antiochus, the faith of Mattathias, the bravery of the Maccabees, and the miracle of the oils. Full-color illustrations. [...] 590 82 71_[SCJ-PARENTING:7244] good respose re: Christmas tree for young children19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:32:53 EST344_- My oldest sons are 3 and 5. There is a tiny Christmas tree in their family day care. (I have no problem with this; it is a private home and frankly I think it's nice for them to see and enjoy a tree up close without it being an object of great mystery. Most of their close friends are Jewish so they rarely see one in a friend's house.) [...] 673 64 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7245] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:01:02 EST562_- >Things you tell young kids have a way of being relayed, and simple >explanations are best. So, saying, "having a Christmas tree if you're >Jewish really trivializes someone else's religion and doesn't take >your own very seriously either"* is not an answer that I think can >be very easily parsed. And an answer like "it's not a very knowledgeable >or good Jewish thing to do"* might result in his informing some kid >(or his cousin) that "you're not a good Jew". (I'd hope he'd be more >sensitive and mannerly than that but even good 5-year-olds slip.) [...] 738 47 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7246] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children8_Splanche22_splanche@aol.comnospam29_Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:00:48 EST597_- >This is a prickly topic, no pun intended, and I hope my sentiments=20 >marked with *'s give no offense. They do, however, reflect my values=20 >and opinions, and I hope that like-minded parents with more experience=20 >might have some useful perspective to share. > >

Your 5yr old is getting close to an age where some of this stuff can be more easily understood.... In their circle of friends and relatives, are they aware of differences in observence of Kashrut? Maybe you can explain it the same way...some Jewish people keep totally kosher, some keep kosher homes but eat treif [...] 786 76 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:7247] Re: Is breastmilk pareve or diary?14_Zev Steinhardt20_WayneS1068@yahoo.com29_Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:38:46 EST385_- According to Dr. Josh Backon, a regular poster on sjcm, breast milk is Pareve. The source he quotes is Shulchan Aruch YOREH DEAH 87:4; 81:7.

Furthermore, he goes on and says

"and if meat accidentally fell into breastmilk it's completely permissible to eat (Pri Toar s"k 10). The only prohibition being MAR'IT AYIN where people might think the milk is cow's milk." [...] 863 36 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:7248] Re: Is breastmilk pareve or diary?14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:12:41 EST656_- Thanks. Does anyone know if this is more or less universally accepted or if there is any significant dissenting ruling?

Thanks, --Robyn



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I got a call from my aunt in Brooklyn ON SHABBOS. She left a message on = my answering machine in case I use this formula for my baby. Baruch Hashem = I do not. Hatzolah went around Brooklyn today announcing that REMEDIA = BABY FORMULA from Israel HAS BEEN POISONED. If you use it STOP immediately. = If you know anyone who might, contact them and tell them to stop = immediately. =20 I apologize to those of you who multiple copies on this message [...] 1046 65 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:7250] Re: Is breastmilk pareve or diary?12_Paul S. Wolf24_paul.s.wolf@alum.wpi.edu29_Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:34:18 EST553_- > This came up briefly on a misc.kids thread and I am still confused, > so hopefully someone here can point me to an authoritative source, > if there is one. > > I have always been under the impression that breastmilk is always > considered pareve. However, in the misc.kids thread, the claim was > made that (some?) ultra-orthodox authorities consider it dairy. > Anyone know what the story is with that? Does it matter whether > the mother is consuming a dairy-free diet herself (as may be the > case with allergies or other conditions)? > > I [...] 1112 53 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:7251] Re: Poisoned baby formula12_Paul S. Wolf24_paul.s.wolf@alum.wpi.edu29_Tue, 25 Nov 2003 23:48:48 EST518_- > I got a call from my aunt in Brooklyn ON SHABBOS. She left a message on > my answering machine in case I use this formula for my baby. Baruch Hashem > I do not. Hatzolah went around Brooklyn today announcing that REMEDIA > BABY FORMULA from Israel HAS BEEN POISONED. If you use it STOP immediately. > If you know anyone who might, contact them and tell them to stop > immediately. > > I apologize to those of you who multiple copies on this message due to > the multiple lists and individuals I sent this to, [...] 1166 47 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7252] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children4_lynn16_lynn@nowhere.com29_Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:38:25 EST293_- I would just say "That's not what we do." If pressed, I would say that every family decides what they are going to do in their home, and this is what we have decided to do." I mean, we have lots of rules that are different from other houses. Some people watch TV while they eat dinner. [...] 1214 39 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:7253] Re: Is breastmilk pareve or diary?6_Jfer P17_J3fer@hotmail.com29_Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:38:17 EST313_- My understanding is that to avoid the problem of maris ayin (Marit Ayin, literally, "what the eye sees," meaning "what people might see") is that it is 100% pareve, but shouldn't be drunk out of a cup. And adults should not get into the habit of drinking it regularly, whether from a cup or otherwise. :-) [...] 1254 54 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7254] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:39:13 EST504_- In article , lynn wrote: >I would just say "That's not what we do." If pressed, I would say that >every family decides what they are going to do in their home, and this >is what we have decided to do." I mean, we have lots of rules that are >different from other houses. Some people watch TV while they eat dinner. > >Different houses, different rules, is something that comes up all the >time, not just for Jewishness. [...] 1309 51 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7255] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children14_Betsy Schwartz22_betsys@gsd.hahvahd.edu29_Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:17:39 EST372_- "People have Christmas trees because they celebrate Christmas. We don't=20 have a tree because we don't want to be imitating Christmas. But we have =

candles every shabbat and we have a menorah on Hannukah and remember how =

much fun we had decorating the sukkah at shul, and would you like to = help=20 make some decorations for the Hannukah party?" [...] 1361 51 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:7256] Re: good respose re: Christmas tree for young children14_Betsy Schwartz22_betsys@gsd.hahvahd.edu29_Fri, 28 Nov 2003 10:17:42 EST372_- "People have Christmas trees because they celebrate Christmas. We don't=20 have a tree because we don't want to be imitating Christmas. But we have =

candles every shabbat and we have a menorah on Hannukah and remember how =

much fun we had decorating the sukkah at shul, and would you like to = help=20 make some decorations for the Hannukah party?" [...]