1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting September 2003
2 40 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:7172] Hair Cutting for an Orthodox 3 year old11_danielchaim17_rubydou@em.agr.ca28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:34:26 EDT285_- This is the first time that I have been invited to an event which involves the first hair cut for a 3-year old boy (Orthodox). It is taking place in the boy's home, to be followed by a brunch. Tthere will be about 20 people. Our daughter attends the same pre-school as the boy. [...]
43 48 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:7173] Re: Hair Cutting for an Orthodox 3 year old8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 13:50:38 EDT364_- >This is the first time that I have been invited to an event which >involves the first hair cut for a 3-year old boy (Orthodox). It is >taking place in the boy's home, to be followed by a brunch. Tthere >will be about 20 people. Our daughter attends the same pre-school as >the boy. > >Should we bring a gift? >If yes, what? >And for whom ?(hosts or child) [...]
92 81 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:7175] RE: Hair Cutting for an Orthodox 3 year old14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:51:15 EDT427_- You can bring a gift for the birthday boy. It can be anything you would normally buy for a 3 year old. You do not need to get the parents = anything.
Aliza
-----Original Message----- From: owner-scj-parenting@shamash.org [mailto:owner-scj-parenting@shamash.org] On Behalf Of danielchaim Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: [SCJ-PARENTING:7172] Hair Cutting for an Orthodox 3 year old [...]
174 54 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:7176] Re: Hair Cutting for an Orthodox 3 year old15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:51:48 EDT342_- danielchaim wrote: > This is the first time that I have been invited to an event which > involves the first hair cut for a 3-year old boy (Orthodox). It is > taking place in the boy's home, to be followed by a brunch. Tthere > will be about 20 people. Our daughter attends the same pre-school as > the boy. > > Should we bring a gift? [...]
229 67 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:7177] Religious School guidelines9_JewishMom22_jewishmom613@yahoo.com28_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 16:01:53 EDT562_- Hi,
I just noticed this newsgroup and wonder if you can help me with a question I have about running and afternoon/weekend religious school.
Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's rules and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 students pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older youth) and are a liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, children are expected to attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. [...]
297 159 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7178] Re: Religious School guidelines22_Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.21_adcstavis@comcast.net28_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:50:52 EDT711_- Hi!
I'm VP of Family Education of a synagogue with a small synagogue based (afterschool/weekend). We only have about 35 students but we will receive a Schechter Gold Award for excellence in Elementary Education from the USCJ (governing organization for Conservative Judaism).
Other responses interspersed -
"JewishMom" wrote in message news:286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com... > Hi, > > I just noticed this newsgroup and wonder if you can help me with a > question I have about running and afternoon/weekend religious school. > > Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's rules > and guidelines. By way of background, we [...]
457 109 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7179] Re: Religious School guidelines14_chiam margalit19_margalitc@yahoo.com29_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:38:27 EDT656_- jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) wrote in message news:<286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com>... > Hi, > > I just noticed this newsgroup and wonder if you can help me with a > question I have about running and afternoon/weekend religious school. > > Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's rules > and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 students > pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older youth) and are a > liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 > and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, > children are expected to attend both [...]
567 106 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7180] Re: Religious School guidelines22_Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.21_adcstavis@comcast.net29_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 01:09:16 EDT719_- "chiam margalit" wrote in message news:b8b4d4f7.0309091707.4ae3f6d1@posting.google.com... > jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) wrote in message news:<286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com>...
> I think you're making some strong assumptions. First, I have two > children, both pre-bnai mitzvah, and neither attends a formal > religious school. There are a number of reasons they do not. The top > reason is that the curricula is terrible, not suited for children to > embrace, and taught haphazardly by pseudo educators. So you can see my > attitude towards these 'schools'. > > Another reason that my children do not attend is that the time is > extremely inconvenient for [...]
674 75 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7182] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net29_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:43:36 EDT750_- In , chiam margalit wrote:
*jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) wrote in message news:<286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com>...
*> liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 *> and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, *> children are expected to attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. *> *> We have some problems in the following areas, and are wondering what, *> if anything, other congregations do about these issues, especially if *> you have some creative solutions: *> *> 1. Some families wish to send their children, particularly 3rd and *> 4th graders, for only one day (usually Sunday). *> *> [...]
750 180 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7183] RE: Religious School guidelines13_Aimee Yermish21_ayermish@alum.mit.edu29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:28:19 EDT625_- JewishMom [mailto:jewishmom613@yahoo.com] writes:
> Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's > rules and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 > students pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older > youth) and are a liberal congregation. We offer religious > education on Sundays for K-6 and Hebrew school on Wednesdays > for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, children are expected to > attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. > We have some problems in the following areas... > 1. Some families wish to send their children... for only one > day (usually Sunday). > 2. Some [...]
931 96 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7184] Re: Religious School guidelines5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:34:54 EDT619_-
jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) writes: > > I just noticed this newsgroup and wonder if you can help me with a > question I have about running and afternoon/weekend religious school. > > Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's rules > and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 students > pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older youth) and are a > liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 > and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, > children are expected to attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. > > [...]
1028 65 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7185] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:35:27 EDT405_- In <286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com>, JewishMom wrote: * *1. Some families wish to send their children, particularly 3rd and *4th graders, for only one day (usually Sunday).
If there is enough interest, perhaps your congregation would consider making a "Sunday only" program an official option. Maybe it would meet for a longer session or something. [...]
1094 142 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7186] Re: Religious School guidelines5_Debbi18_daffymom@yahoo.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:36:34 EDT664_-
"JewishMom" wrote in message news:286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com... > Hi, > > I just noticed this newsgroup and wonder if you can help me with a > question I have about running and afternoon/weekend religious school. > > Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's rules > and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 students > pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older youth) and are a > liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 > and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, > children are expected to attend both [...]
1237 59 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7187] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:05:05 EDT532_- In <1063204949scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aimee Yermish wrote:
*the child may not have his/her bar/bat mitzvah at the shul. Some shuls *actually require that *all* children in the family be enrolled for the *requisite number of years (That is, if Danny, who is in 5th grade, wants *to have his bar mitzvah when he's in 7th grade, both he *and* his little *sister Rachel, who is in 2nd grade, must attend the religious school for *the three years before Danny's bar mitzvah). Obviously, there are [...]
1297 74 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7189] RE: Religious School guidelines13_Aimee Yermish21_ayermish@alum.mit.edu29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:22:34 EDT393_- Hillary Israeli asks:
> Are these O congregations, or liberal congregations?
The one shul I am familiar with that requires several years of Hebrew school attendance by all children in the family before a bar/bat mitzvah is Kol Emeth in Palo Alto CA, an egalitarian Conservative shul, but I believe that rules like this are not all that uncommon in the Conservative world. [...]
1372 102 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7190] Re: Religious School guidelines9_JewishMom22_jewishmom613@yahoo.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:31:47 EDT745_- hillary@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:... > In , > chiam margalit wrote: > > *jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) wrote in message > news:<286c04a2.0309081030.33bb71b6@posting.google.com>... > > *> liberal congregation. We offer religious education on Sundays for K-6 > *> and Hebrew school on Wednesdays for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, > *> children are expected to attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. > *> > *> We have some problems in the following areas, and are wondering what, > *> if anything, other congregations do about these issues, especially if > *> you have some creative solutions: > *> > *> [...]
1475 218 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7191] Re: Religious School guidelines14_chiam margalit19_margalitc@yahoo.com29_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:07:49 EDT646_- "Aimee Yermish" wrote in message news:<1063204949scjp-submit@shamash.org>... > JewishMom [mailto:jewishmom613@yahoo.com] writes: > > > Our congregation is working on solidfying our relgious school's > > rules and guidelines. By way of background, we have about 50 > > students pre-Bar/Bat Mitzvah (plus separate programs for older > > youth) and are a liberal congregation. We offer religious > > education on Sundays for K-6 and Hebrew school on Wednesdays > > for grades 3-6. For grades 3-6, children are expected to > > attend both Sundays and Wednesdays. > > We have some problems in the following areas... > > [...]
1694 102 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7193] Re: Religious School guidelines13_Aimee Yermish21_ayermish@alum.mit.edu29_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:00:55 EDT613_- Marjorie writes:
> Believe her! She knows whereof she speaks. Aimee is a former teacher > of gifted children and she's very very cognizant of the issues facing > very gifted kids with regards to religious as well as secular > educations.
Why, thank you so much for your kind words! Just wanted to set the record straight. Although I am a former classroom teacher, I am still a teacher of gifted children. Since the birth of my daughter, I have been in private practice as a tutor and educational therapist, specializing in work with gifted, learning-disabled, and twice-exceptional children. [...]
1797 78 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7194] Re: Religious School guidelines14_chiam margalit19_margalitc@yahoo.com29_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:35:35 EDT648_- hillary@hillary.net (Hillary Israeli) wrote in message news:... > In <1063204949scjp-submit@shamash.org>, > Aimee Yermish wrote: > > *the child may not have his/her bar/bat mitzvah at the shul. Some shuls > *actually require that *all* children in the family be enrolled for the > *requisite number of years (That is, if Danny, who is in 5th grade, wants > *to have his bar mitzvah when he's in 7th grade, both he *and* his little > *sister Rachel, who is in 2nd grade, must attend the religious school for > *the three years before Danny's bar mitzvah). Obviously, there are > [...]
1876 62 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7195] Re: Religious School guidelines14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:36:09 EDT645_- In article , chiam margalit wrote: > >Well, you do have to remember that you're in the Bay Area, where >that's a lot more true than say, New Jersey or Cleveland. The rise in >the number of children attending day schools, even within the bay area >(look at how many new ones there are... Atid, Kehillah HS, etc.) >proves that parents don't necessarily shrug off Judaism. They're just >the more committed families. I think most families that don't do day >schools don't really know HOW to be as committed because they're not >living Judaism every moment. I really don't [...]
1939 50 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7196] Re: Religious School guidelines12_Naomi Rivkis17_nrivkis@yahoo.com29_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:34:53 EDT560_- On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:30:21 -0000, robynk@nautilus.shore.net (Robyn Kozierok) wrote:
>I don't know enough day school kids now to know if it's still the same >way or not, but I'd be shocked if there weren't still families who >considered day school the easy way out.
I think this is an awfully harsh way to look at people who may want their children to grow up knowing more of Judaism than the parents themselves are able to teach them. Yes, it's ideal if the parents learn and practice at the same time the kids do -- but the kids *have* [...]
1990 142 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7197] Re: Religious School guidelines14_chiam margalit19_margalitc@yahoo.com29_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 23:35:43 EDT579_- "Aimee Yermish" wrote in message news:<1063637224scjp-submit@shamash.org>... > Marjorie writes: > > > Believe her! She knows whereof she speaks. Aimee is a former teacher > > of gifted children and she's very very cognizant of the issues facing > > very gifted kids with regards to religious as well as secular > > educations. > > Why, thank you so much for your kind words! Just wanted to set the > record straight. Although I am a former classroom teacher, I am still a > teacher of gifted children. Since the birth of my daughter, I have been > [...]
2133 82 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7198] Re: Religious School guidelines14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:19:13 EDT656_- In article , chiam margalit wrote: > >I was on the bnai mitzvah committee for my shul, and I've read about >200 bnai mitzvah policy statements from Conservative shuls around the >country. Many many of them require attendance at religious school and >will not consent to a bnai mitzvah for a child UNLESS they are day >school students or have completed 3 years of after school programs. >Many also require regular attendance at shabbat services, and >attendance IS taken. > >This is a real issue for me, because religious school is very >expensive for many families, and again, a [...]
2216 58 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7199] Re: Religious School guidelines14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:21:23 EDT606_- In article <9otcmvsuk6ch9qd97rggf7gpkqd45iptdp@4ax.com>, Naomi Rivkis wrote: >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:30:21 -0000, robynk@nautilus.shore.net (Robyn >Kozierok) wrote: > >>I don't know enough day school kids now to know if it's still the same
>>way or not, but I'd be shocked if there weren't still families who=20 >>considered day school the easy way out. > >I think this is an awfully harsh way to look at people who may want=20 >their children to grow up knowing more of Judaism than the parents=20 >themselves are able to teach them. Yes, it's ideal if the parents learn [...]
2275 82 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7200] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:39:18 EDT586_- Naomi Rivkis wrote in message news:<9otcmvsuk6ch9qd97rggf7gpkqd45iptdp@4ax.com>... > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:30:21 -0000, robynk@nautilus.shore.net (Robyn > Kozierok) wrote: > > >I don't know enough day school kids now to know if it's still the same > >way or not, but I'd be shocked if there weren't still families who > >considered day school the easy way out. > > I think this is an awfully harsh way to look at people who may want > their children to grow up knowing more of Judaism than the parents > themselves are able to teach them. Yes, it's ideal if [...]
2358 140 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7201] Re: Religious School guidelines14_chiam margalit19_margalitc@yahoo.com29_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:05:55 EDT460_- robynk@nautilus.shore.net (Robyn Kozierok) wrote in message news:<2GE9b.28189$GM6.12487@nntp-post.primus.ca>... > In article , > chiam margalit wrote: > > > >I was on the bnai mitzvah committee for my shul, and I've read about=20 > >200 bnai mitzvah policy statements from Conservative shuls around the
> >country. Many many of them require attendance at religious school and [...]
2499 121 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7202] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:11:01 EDT603_- robynk@nautilus.shore.net (Robyn Kozierok) wrote > chiam margalit wrote:
>> For kids with LD's, again, the congregations I know of >> will make special adjustments to their B'nai Mitzvah >> rules for kids with special needs. > > Yes, the bend the rules for the b'nai mitzvah, but they > don't provide training for kids with LDs. They don't make > ANY special adjustments whatsoever. In fact, just today I > was discussing this topic with our Rabbi and he was clear > in this thoughts: "Judaism does not tolerate kids with > differences on either end of the spectrum. [...]
2621 388 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:7204] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 180016_Barry Dov Lerner21_bdlerner1@comcast.net29_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 09:34:50 EDT408_- Dear Friends,
Regarding Religious Schools, I wanted to share some observations from over 35years of Religious School experience in the congregation and Day School experience in the community. Firstly, we need and want to thank and congratulate all those who care about the feelings, needs and educational standards that assure us a competent Jew who wants to affiliate for the next generation. [...]
3010 60 68_[SCJ-PARENTING:7205] Shana Tova + Free Jewish Holiday Reference Card13_Jacob Richman17_jrichman@jr.co.il29_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:53:13 EDT485_- Hi Everyone!
The announcement below may be of interest to parents who are=20 preparing material for their children about Rosh Hashana.
Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year 5764, begins=20 Friday evening, September 26, 2003 and continues until=20 Sunday evening, September 28, 2003.
I created a three year Jewish holiday reference card which=20 I posted on my website for you to view, download or print. The address is: http://www.jr.co.il/index2.html#calendar [...]
3071 51 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7206] Re: Religious School guidelines5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:29:56 EDT358_-
jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) writes: > > For schools that do pass/fail students, must kids begin in > Kindergarten? If a kid came in in 2nd grade with no formal Jewish > education, or equivalent, could they start in the 2nd grade class, or > would they have to start from the beginning with much younger kids? > What about a 4th grader? [...]
3123 45 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7208] Re: Religious School guidelines13_Aimee Yermish21_ayermish@alum.mit.edu29_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:28:29 EDT559_- Ken Gold: writes:
> Our children start in "first grade" no matter how old they are. How=20 > could it be otherwise? If an 11 year old child doesn't know=20 > aleph-bet, how could they go directly to an advanced class?
Makes sense. What provisions do you have for allowing a bright and motivated child to move through the grades at a more rapid rate than one per year. It would be a pity to have an 11-yr-old who has just realized that he is interested in Judaism to not have a way to accelerate his own learning to [...]
3169 44 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7209] Re: Religious School guidelines15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:05:14 EDT355_- jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) wrote i
> For schools that do pass/fail students, must kids begin in > Kindergarten? If a kid came in in 2nd grade with no formal Jewish > education, or equivalent, could they start in the 2nd grade class, or > would they have to start from the beginning with much younger kids? > What about a 4th grader? [...]
3214 55 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7210] Re: Religious School guidelines14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:26:01 EDT610_- In article , kgold wrote: > >jewishmom613@yahoo.com (JewishMom) writes: >> >> For schools that do pass/fail students, must kids begin in >> Kindergarten? If a kid came in in 2nd grade with no formal Jewish >> education, or equivalent, could they start in the 2nd grade class, or >> would they have to start from the beginning with much younger kids? >> What about a 4th grader? > >Our children start in "first grade" no matter how old they are. How >could it be otherwise? If an 11 year old child doesn't know >aleph-bet, how could they go directly [...]
3270 67 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:7211] Big Bar Mitzvah comments6_Howian14_howian@aol.com29_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:11:19 EDT364_- I recently wrote about an upcoming Bar Mitzvah which turned out to be a success both religiously and socially. Here are some of my observations:
1. Having a big party is a parent's choice. If you do it, it will cost you more money than you anticipated, once you have a fancy caterer, you need a band, then invitations, then activities for kids, ets. [...]
3338 96 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:7212] RE: Religious School guidelines6_Howian14_howian@aol.com29_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:13:34 EDT544_- One problem I have with the rules is the way they are expressed. Sometimes, there is a sense from religious schools, that "we got you,"if you want your child to get Bar Mitzvahed, and we know you do, you must do a, b, and c. Rather, than putting down ultimatums, I think it's far better to try to address issues and problems. When the rabbi spoke with my son about the importance of various things, (the rabbi told him he doesn't like to get up early on weekends either) that was tremendously helpful. As a religious school, I think you [...]
3435 42 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:7213] tallit recommendation5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 12:01:08 EDT545_- Any recommendations for a tallit source for a soon-to-be Bar Mitzvah?
Either: - on-line and reputable - store in lower Fairfield County, Connecticut, USA
Also opinions on material: - wool or wool blend - silk or silk blend - rayon or other synthetic
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