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2 42 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:6592] Let's Kvell0_71_"+ACI-Adelle Stavis+ACI- +ADw-adelle+AEA-mediaone.net+AD4-"@SHAMASH.ORG28_Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:03:36 EST509_- Hi, Everyone.
No posts coming through on my server. Not sure what's up. Decided we could use a little fun with permission to kvell. Mostly prompted by my 10 yr. old daughter.
We do the traditional, +ACI-what are thankful for?+ACI- at the Thanksgiving table. Rebecca's was, +ACI-I'm thankful for being Jewish.+ACI- Pretty cool for the product on an intermarriage. (She also says she likes religious school. If she didn't get into trouble in other ways, I'd think she were a Stepford kid). [...]
45 30 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6593] Angela Anaconda Hanukkah8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:37:46 EST483_- I remember someone mentioning an Angela Anaconda Hanukkah special last year... has anyone seen a listing on it for this year, or am I already too late? Does anyone know if this is available on video? - Blanche
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76 69 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:6594] Olan Mills-- never again!8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:59:03 EST681_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: This post is permitted as it comments on a Chanukah-related issue the poster has run into with her kids. However, follow-ups should deal with some Jewish parenting aspect of this post, rather than just offer general "consumer advisory"-type warnings. ****************************************
Just wanted to let you all in on my personal experience with Olan Mills Studios. Normally we do annual pictures of the kids at Sears, but this year, our Temple was doing a member directory, and invited in Olan Mills to put it together. All member families would be photographed, would receive a free 8x10, and would [...]
146 40 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6596] Update on the News Side15_Daniel P Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:46:27 EST315_-
This is an update on the "news" side of s.c.j.parenting. I'm getting closer to getting things fixed. Hopefully, within a few days, you should start seeing some of the messages that have accumulated over the last few weeks. Sorry for the delays; I've been having trouble getting the injector back up. [...]
187 61 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:6597] Which Birthday...?6_Jfer P17_J3fer@hotmail.com29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:09:51 EST502_- Since my kids were born, we've been celebrating their Hebrew birthdays = only (25 Tishrei and 8/9 Teves -- this coming Sunday!). This is great = for many reasons, particularly because their birthdays fall on = predictable dates AFTER the Yamim Tovim (2 days after Sukkos and a week = after Chanukah, respectively). Also, I feel that on some deep level, = the Jewish calendar is "ours" and the Christian one is not (yes, even = though I realize the "Jewish" months have Babylonian pagan names!). [...]
249 57 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6599] RE: Which Birthday...?12_Seth Rogovoy21_rogovoy@berkshire.net29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:22:21 EST393_- > I'm wondering if I'm the only one who's experienced this. Should Jewish = =3D > schools go a little further towards using their own calendar, rather =3D > than assuming everyone uses their "English" birthday?
I think what you're doing is great, and I wish Jewish communities would extend this sort of mind-leap and really think of the calendar in terms of the Jewish calendar. [...]
307 12 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6600] Re: Girl Scouts14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:45:54 EST328_-
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320 63 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6601] Re: Girl Scouts15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:00:42 EST679_- In article , "DREIMAN" wrote:
>Hello all, >We are a "border-line" conservative-reform family (if there is such a >thing!). We have a 9 year old daughter who has recently joined the Girl >Scouts. She also is active in our synagogue and attends the religious >school. She attends a public school for her secular education. > >The question: Should she be allowed to participate in the "Holiday >Program" that her Girl Scout troup will be presenting at our local mall. >Her troup leader has asked me to come in and teach the girls Chanukkah >songs, so that they can "perform [...]
384 31 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6602] Re: Girl Scouts0_19_gloria212@webtv.net29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:33:57 EST503_- MY OPINION: If there are other jewish children in her troop, they should have performed at the mall for hanakah first, if not, i say NO. When my children were young, we tried the boy scouts, but found the bias unbearable.
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416 71 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6603] Re: Girl Scouts13_Adelle Stavis19_adelle@mediaone.net29_Fri, 21 Dec 2001 20:32:24 EST642_-
"DREIMAN" wrote in message news:R%fM7.236565$W8.7977732testtest@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Hello all, > We are a "border-line" conservative-reform family (if there is such a > thing!). We have a 9 year old daughter who has recently joined the Girl > Scouts. She also is active in our synagogue and attends the religious > school. She attends a public school for her secular education. > > The question: Should she be allowed to participate in the "Holiday > Program" that her Girl Scout troup will be presenting at our local mall. > Her troup leader has asked me to come in and teach the [...]
488 88 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6604] Re: Which Birthday...?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:08:33 EST666_- In article , "Jfer P" wrote:
>Since my kids were born, we've been celebrating their Hebrew birthdays >only (25 Tishrei and 8/9 Teves -- this coming Sunday!). This is great >for many reasons, particularly because their birthdays fall on >predictable dates AFTER the Yamim Tovim (2 days after Sukkos and a week >after Chanukah, respectively). Also, I feel that on some deep level, >the Jewish calendar is "ours" and the Christian one is not (yes, even >though I realize the "Jewish" months have Babylonian pagan names!). > >Anyway, when they were little, there was no need to explain anything [...]
577 126 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6605] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 156413_Adelle Stavis19_adelle@mediaone.net29_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 18:10:23 EST586_- Thank you! I'd like to second these important comments.
I am intermarried; in my husband's own words, he is agnostic at best, though culturally Christian. In addition to living in an obviously Jewish home with lots of good things happening, my daughter has gone to Jewish preschools, camps, 6 hr/week Hebrew School, etc. She identifies very strongly with being Jewish. My 4 year old son has been singing "Not by might and not by power" (beginning of a Chanukah song) like a broken record for about a week. I am an officer and Trustee of our synagogue, heavily involved in [...]
704 60 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:6606] Re: Angela Anaconda Hanukkah7_Nechama21_nospam@newsranger.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:09:30 EST405_- The Angela Anaconda Chanukah special is a very short piece--maybe 10 or 15 min long at the most. Have not seen it out on video. It was very funny and well done though and my DD was pleasantly surprised to see yet another of her favorite cartoons doing a Chanukah special. Good luck finding it. If you missed it this year, I'm sure it will be shown again next year in late November, early December. [...]
765 33 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6607] Re: Chanukia question8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:32:06 EST264_- >My mother claims that this is a mistake, or that he fell off - I think it >was done deliberately so no-one would be offended by the pig - my daughter >went and got an appropriate sized Piglet from her toybox, and we have glued >him on - but am I right ??? [...]
799 12 73_[SCJ-PARENTING:6608] Re: Jewish kids, Christian family - Christmas Issues6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:24:15 EST328_-
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812 116 73_[SCJ-PARENTING:6609] Re: Jewish kids, Christian family - Christmas Issues11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:22:26 EST679_-
Craig wrote in message news:c220cdf7.0111201207.1331a8f8@posting.google.com... > > **************************************** > MODERATOR'S NOTE: > Please note that this poster is asking for guidance in raising his Jewish > children -- responses should address this question ONLY. Responses offering > suggestions that seem to mix the two faiths should be addressed to the > poster directly. > **************************************** > > I'm having an issue this Christmas. I was raised Catholic and married > a Jewish woman. We're raising our kids Jewish. We have a very bright 3 > 1/2 year old boy and a second boy on the way. Last year we [...]
929 98 73_[SCJ-PARENTING:6610] Re: Jewish kids, Christian family - Christmas Issues12_Debbi Kulick17_daffymom@home.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:28:35 EST501_- I invite non-Jewish families to celebrate Hanukkah with my family. I ask the parents to bring a gift for each of their children so that ALL children have a gift to open on Hanukkah. This way no child feels left out (most of the kids are over 10 yo now). It works out great. If my family was a mixed family (my ex is married to a Catholic and so my kids do participate in Christmas with her family) I would make sure that my child has at least one gift to open at Christmas so that he would not [...]
1028 50 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:6611] Channukah cartoons -- how do you feel?6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:29:11 EST315_- At first I thought this was refreshing. There were no Chanukah cartoons when I was a kid. But now I'm not so sure.
The Rugrat Chanukah special shows an interfaith family. Chanukah seems like another holiday. No distinction is made about being Jewish. It is almost as if it were secular, like Kwanzaa. [...]
1079 58 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6612] Re: Need advice re: Bris15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net29_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:13:39 EST672_- In , Fred Rosenblatt wrote:
* *In article , hillary@hillary.net *(Hillary Israeli) wrote: *> *>Debbie, forgive me if I'm being rude here, but may I ask *why* you plan to *>have the circumcision done in the hospital? Why not just wait and have it *>done on the 8th day? If it makes you more comfortable there are in many *>places mohels who are also surgeons, or surgeons who are also mohels, *>however you look at it I'm talking about an MD with surgical training who *>is a mohel :). But even my pediatrician told me she likes the *>circumcisions [...]
1138 12 79_[SCJ-PARENTING:6613] Re: figuring out the date and readings for bar/bat mitzvah8_JanetLDD16_janetldd@aol.com29_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:15:05 EST328_-
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1151 52 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6614] Re: Need advice re: Bris6_Lauren33_richard@the-third.freeserve.co.uk29_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 02:57:21 EST511_- > While I personally agree that a bris should be held, there are reasons > people choose not to. One is cost, which despite what people claim, is quite > high for a mohel and the simcha food and drink. > > Another is family. I have a friend who is Jewish (raised C, educated at > SSDS) who married a very secular Jewish man, a scientist, who refused to > have a bris for either of their sons. The boys were both circ'ed in the > hospital, but because the husband is so rabidly secular, they won't have a [...]
1204 30 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6615] Re: Need advice re: Bris8_JanetLDD16_janetldd@aol.com29_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:30:06 EST524_- the rabbi who would be marrying them would ask for the name of the rabbi who circumscied them. since they would not be able to come up with it they would indeed need to be recircumscied. this goes for ortho and conservative. not sure how reform hold.
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1235 12 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6616] jewish name question9_Vicki S-F29_revsf90@alumnae.mtholyoke.edu29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 02:25:09 EST328_-
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1248 31 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6617] Re: Need advice re: Bris8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:34:07 EST538_- >the rabbi who would be marrying them would ask for the name of the rabbi who >circumscied them. since they would not be able to come up with it they would >indeed need to be recircumscied. this goes for ortho and conservative. not >sure >how reform hold.
But a Mohel does not need to be a rabbi (and tends not to be one in this neighborhood). How on earth would the rabbi who was marrying someone know all the certified Mohels in the country? Also, I was married in a conservative Shul and NO ONE asked DH who circ'ed him. [...]
1280 54 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6618] Re: Need advice re: Bris15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:30:56 EST607_- In <20011225093834.07239.00002499@mb-dh.aol.com>, Splanche wrote:
*>the rabbi who would be marrying them would ask for the name of the rabbi *who *>circumscied them. since they would not be able to come up with it they *would *>indeed need to be recircumscied. this goes for ortho and conservative. not *>sure *>how reform hold. * *But a Mohel does not need to be a rabbi (and tends not to be one in this *neighborhood). How on earth would the rabbi who was marrying someone know *all *the certified Mohels in the country? *Also, I was married in a conservative Shul and NO [...]
1335 67 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6619] Updates to "Learning Hebrew" websites13_Jacob Richman17_jrichman@jr.co.il29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:54:50 EST351_- Hi Everyone!
This is a short email to let you know that I added several new features to my "Learning Hebrew" websites. These websites should be of special interest to parents who are raising children in isolated Jewish communities, but they should also be helpful to all of you in reinforcing the Jewish aspect of your children's lives. [...]
1403 77 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6620] Re: Girl Scouts7_kumasan17_kumasan@erols.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:11:00 EST501_- Thank you for your reply Adelle,
We are raising a Jewish boy [much younger than the girl in question] and our goal is to raise a good Jewish person who knows that he is living in a religiously heterogeneous country. I love Christmas music and if my son's singing will brighten the lives of hospital patients or nursing home folks, so much the better. It is my job [and my wife's] to teach him to be a Jew and not to try and manage which songs he sings, short of "Deutschland uber alle". [...]
1481 12 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6622] Re: Need advice re: Bris14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:06:02 EST328_-
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1494 55 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6623] Re: cartoons0_16_DKerzner@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 10:19:11 EST296_- >From your comments, it seems to me that what really bothers you is that many of these cartoon children come from interfaith homes. After all, you do acknowledge that in the rugrats they tell the Channukah story and celebrate at shul. They also light the channukiah and say the blessings. [...]
1550 12 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6624] Re: cartoons8_megnaera20_megnaera@dejazzd.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:06:59 EST328_-
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1563 59 79_[SCJ-PARENTING:6625] Re: figuring out the date and readings for bar/bat mitzvah10_animzmirot20_animzmirot@attbi.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:22:17 EST505_- You need to speak to your Rabbi asap to set the date. Unless you know every congregant's b'day, it is highly possible that more than one kid shares a b'day parsha, and your child may not get her exact b'day parsha if the date is already reserved. In large shuls, this is done at least 3 years ahead of schedule. In our small shul there are 4 kids with b'days the same week as my twins, so we grabbed the date when they were 8. :-) But we're on the calendar, and it's OUR date now (it was a popular [...]
1623 110 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6626] Re: cartoons6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:03:32 EST491_- The interfaith aspect may be part of it, but the biggest issue is that Santa / Christmas and Chanukah just seem to be shown as interchangable. OK, you don't wanna do Kwanzaa this year, do Chanukah!
Even in the Rugrats show they have the brat wanting to watch a Christmas special. The husband (in the interfaith marriage) talks about going to church and is corrected by the Grandpa. There just doesn't seem to be much "Jewish" about it even though they tell the Maccabee story. [...]
1734 119 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6627] Re: Chanukia question15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:03:49 EST686_- In article <1007080572scjp-submit@shamash.org>, "Jfer P" wrote:
>Lauren asked: > >>done deliberately so no-one would be offended by the pig... >>Would anyone be upset by poor little Piglet ?? He'd be mortified ! > >Can't speak for everybody, but it doesn't offend ME!!! > >Seriously, while there ARE some Jews (perhaps most commonly, Lubavitch), = who=20 >don't let their kids have or play with representations of non-kosher=20 >animals, most are fairly laissez-faire about this, the rationale being = that=20 >they're going to have to learn *sometime* that you don't/can't eat=20 >everything they see... > >The manufacturer may have deliberately left [...]
1854 71 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6628] Re: cartoons8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:42:06 EST396_- >I can understand discomfort with the portrayal of interfaith families = on=20 >screen. If we see it, it seems normal and acceptable, which is contrary = to=20 >halachah. Still, many of the Jewish children watching these cartoons do, = in=20 >fact, come from interfaith families that are dealing with the issues = raised=20 >-- note the recent discussions on this board alone. > >Miriam > [...]
1926 63 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6629] Re: cartoons7_Barbara21_mom_2_one@hotmail.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:47:53 EST626_- "CRMpro" wrote in message news:<4TtW7.192794$oj3.3= 2595585@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>... SNIP > Even in the Rugrats show they have the brat wanting to watch a Christmas > special. The husband (in the interfaith marriage) talks about going to > church and is corrected by the Grandpa. There just doesn't seem to be = much > "Jewish" about it even though they tell the Maccabee story. >=20 I'm a big fan of the Rugrats holiday specials, so I want to note that Angelica (the *brat* who wants to watch the Xmas special) isn't Jewish, and is always depicted as wanting to do inappropriate things.=20 [...]
1990 53 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6630] subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:50:01 EST504_-
I looked at the site Marjorie suggested (http://bible.ort.org/) and typed in my sons' birthdays just for fun, even though I=20 know the Hebrew date and week's parsha for their birthdays.
Got a surprise. My older son was born early Shabbat morning, on Shabbat Nachamu. Parshat Vaetchanan is always read on Shabbat Nachamu. However, the web site listed the following Shabbat's parsha (Eikev) as the one corresponding to his birthday. It did have the Hebrew birthdate correct. [...]
2044 124 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6631] Re: Girl Scouts12_Debbi Kulick17_daffymom@home.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:54:59 EST515_- When my daughter was a GS (she is now a Boy Scout-- Sea Scouts program) = the songs were arranged by our Area Directors. I sat down with the Area President and other Jewish parents and explained how we felt-- Winter = songs OK, religious ones are not. They went along with the program and no one seemed to be offended. As a parent, you should make everyone aware that there are children in the group who are not Xtain and that every child and her family should feel comfortable participating in the program. [...]
2169 37 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:6632] duh! (followup to own question)19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:22:31 EST334_-
A quick look at this year's calendar provided me with the answer to my question--it's pretty obvious. The Hebrew dates are not perfectly aligned with the parshiot from year to year--in my son's bar mitzvah year, Shabbat Nachamu will fall before my son's 13th Hebrew birthday, hence the next Shabbat will be his parsha. [...]
2207 96 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6633] Re: subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?13_Adelle Stavis19_adelle@mediaone.net29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:52:15 EST378_- The day of the week changes despite the date staying the same. It's the same thing as January 1 occurring on different days, though the date remains the same.
My daughter Rebecca was born on a Monday (Sept 30). It was Shemini Atzeret. This year, September 30th happens to fall on a Monday again. But Shemini Atzeret begins Friday the 28th, continuing on the 29th. [...]
2304 47 79_[SCJ-PARENTING:6634] Re: figuring out the date and readings for bar/bat mitzvah15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:55:33 EST569_- In article <1006293892scjp-submit@shamash.org>, "Seth Rogovoy" wrote:
>Although my daughter doesn't turn 11 until next spring, she is very eager to >start >learning her Bat Mitzvah parsha and haftarah. > >How does one figure out which ones they are? SHould they correspond to the >secular calendar >birthday, i.e., whatever the parsha is on the Shabbat after she turns 12, OR > >should they correspond to the parsha that came the Shabbat after her Hebrew >birthday (in this case, 25 Iyyar 5751). > >ANy thoughts? > >--Seth Rogovoy [...]
2352 122 73_[SCJ-PARENTING:6635] Re: Jewish kids, Christian family - Christmas Issues15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:27:06 EST724_- In article , craig_burns@wgbh.org (Craig) wrote:
>**************************************** >MODERATOR'S NOTE: >Please note that this poster is asking for guidance in raising his = Jewish=20 >children -- responses should address this question ONLY. Responses = offering=20 >suggestions that seem to mix the two faiths should be addressed to the=20 >poster directly. >**************************************** > >I'm having an issue this Christmas. I was raised Catholic and married >a Jewish woman. We're raising our kids Jewish. We have a very bright 3 >1/2 year old boy and a second boy on the way. Last year we sort of >let things slide and did Christmas with [...]
2475 56 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6636] Re: subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:07:21 EST671_- In article <200112271358.fBRDwSS00678@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:
>I looked at the site Marjorie suggested (http://bible.ort.org/) >and typed in my sons' birthdays just for fun, even though I >know the Hebrew date and week's parsha for their birthdays. > >Got a surprise. My older son was born early Shabbat morning, >on Shabbat Nachamu. Parshat Vaetchanan is always read on >Shabbat Nachamu. However, the web site listed the following >Shabbat's parsha (Eikev) as the one corresponding to his >birthday. It did have the Hebrew birthdate correct. > >Is there a subtlety to the rule that I was unaware of? [...]
2532 49 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6637] Re: Need advice re: Bris15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:43:01 EST612_- In article <20011225093834.07239.00002499@mb-dh.aol.com>, splanche@aol.com (Splanche) wrote:
>>the rabbi who would be marrying them would ask for the name of the rabbi >who >>circumscied them. since they would not be able to come up with it they >would >>indeed need to be recircumscied. this goes for ortho and conservative. not >>sure >>how reform hold. > >But a Mohel does not need to be a rabbi (and tends not to be one in this >neighborhood). How on earth would the rabbi who was marrying someone know >all >the certified Mohels in the country? >Also, I was married in a conservative Shul and [...]
2582 57 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6638] Re: cartoons15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:33:54 EST443_- In article <1009343485scjp-submit@shamash.org>, DKerzner@aol.com wrote:
>I can understand discomfort with the portrayal of interfaith families on >screen. If we see it, it seems normal and acceptable, which is contrary to >halachah. Still, many of the Jewish children watching these cartoons do, in >fact, come from interfaith families that are dealing with the issues raised >-- note the recent discussions on this board alone. [...]
2640 67 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6639] Re: Need advice re: Bris10_animzmirot20_animzmirot@attbi.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:13:23 EST562_-
"Lauren" wrote in message news:9u3n3e$v3q$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > While I personally agree that a bris should be held, there are reasons > > people choose not to. One is cost, which despite what people claim, is > quite > > high for a mohel and the simcha food and drink. > > > > Another is family. I have a friend who is Jewish (raised C, educated at > > SSDS) who married a very secular Jewish man, a scientist, who refused to > > have a bris for either of their sons. The boys were both circ'ed in the [...]
2708 41 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6640] subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?11_Nancy Grant22_sngrant@concentric.net29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:25:05 EST546_- Thank you to Alexandra for submitting this post and to Marjorie for supplying the url. I went to this site and typed in my daughter's birthday to get the appropriate date. I found it curious that they allowed you to select the 12th birthday instead of 13. Are the rules different for different branches of Judaism or for boys vs. girls? I am a Conservative convert and did not have a bat mitzvah myself, so forgive my not knowing. Which birthdau is appropriate for my daughter? We are only just planning now,and she is 11, so I hope it is [...]
2750 58 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:6641] Re: Channukah cartoons -- how do you feel?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:19:34 EST670_- In article , "CRMpro" wrote:
>At first I thought this was refreshing. There were no Chanukah cartoons >when I was a kid. But now I'm not so sure. > >The Rugrat Chanukah special shows an interfaith family. Chanukah seems like >another holiday. No distinction is made about being Jewish. It is almost >as if it were secular, like Kwanzaa. > >Then there is a show "Pepper Ann" where the protagonist's mother is Jewish >and her divorced father is Christian. The show is her dilemma at choosing >between Chanukah or Christmas. The whole show focuses on multi-cultureless >and even has [...]
2809 51 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6642] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 155915_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:20:22 EST481_- In article <1006443523scjp-submit@shamash.org>, bdlerner@JTSA.EDU wrote:
>Dear Friends, > >In addition to very kindly mohalim who believe in the mitzvah, many of us >Rabbis are also sensitive to those who want to fulfill the mitzvah and >can't afford a mohel. Just call us, if you can, and we will take care of >speaking with a mohel about a brit milah in a home which is not having a >large party - just immediate family for the mitzvah, some sponge cake and >wine. [...]
2861 54 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6643] Re: cartoons15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:21:11 EST371_- In article <66e906fc.0112270405.d7c8c83@posting.google.com>, mom_2_one@hotmail.com (Barbara) wrote:
> >I am, nonetheless, torn about the message that we send our children >with these specials. For the most part, they *select* a character and >make him/her a Jew once a year.
And I don't think it is a coincidence that it is always this time of year. [...]
2916 81 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6644] Re: subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?13_Bernie Hirsch20_bernie06@sprynet.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:31:43 EST342_- I just checked when my 15 month old's Bas Mitzvah would be and it says the Bas Mitzvah Ceremony Shabbos will be during Yom Kippur (she was born 7 Tishrei).
What is the guideline when this occurs? (This is for a Traditional congregation.) I would assume that the Bat Mitzvah could occur on the Sunday following. Any suggestions? [...]
2998 82 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:6645] Shows featuring Jewish families (was: Re: cartoons)11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:14:02 EST371_- DKerzner@aol.com wrote:
(or it may have been Fred Rosenblatt -- my apologies if I've messed up the attributations)
If any of the reader can name one, just one, cartoon, sitcom > or dramatic series that features a traditional Jewish family, I would > be delighted to hear about it.
"State of Grace", on ABCFamily (formerly Fox Family) Network. [...]
3081 125 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6646] Re: subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?13_Adelle Stavis19_adelle@mediaone.net29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:09:53 EST390_- Your daughter is Bat Mitzvah when she is 13 (12 if Orthodox), with or without a ceremony. Our traditional (egalitarian) Conservative synagogue does not hold b'nai mitzvah ceremonies during solemn times/holidays. The Shabbat after Yom Kippur is often booked early, because no ceremonies take place between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. A lot depends on the customs of your synagogue. [...]
3207 56 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6647] Re: subtleties to b'nai mitzvah date?10_animzmirot20_animzmirot@attbi.com29_Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:44:01 EST463_-
"Nancy Grant" wrote in message news:3C2BFC43.144DAB96@concentric.net... > Thank you to Alexandra for submitting this post and to Marjorie for > supplying the url. > I went to this site and typed in my daughter's birthday to get the > appropriate date. > I found it curious that they allowed you to select the 12th birthday > instead of 13. Are the > rules different for different branches of Judaism or for boys vs. girls? [...]
3264 44 65_[SCJ-PARENTING:6648] CTTS, 3 years old, speaking of b'nai mitzvah19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:17:13 EST297_-
So last night I was chatting with my boys (3 and 1 year old) while I was bathing them. My big boy has recently learned very simple addition, and we were doing "When Josiah is 3, you will be...5", etc. I asked Gideon (big boy), "When you are thirteen, do you know what you will be?" [...]
3309 74 76_[SCJ-PARENTING:6649] Re: Shows featuring Jewish families (was: Re: cartoons)15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:18:32 EST596_- "Leah Adezio" wrote in message news:< 3c2bd2c4_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > DKerzner@aol.com wrote: > > (or it may have been Fred Rosenblatt -- my apologies if I've messed up the > attributations) > > If any of the reader can name one, just one, cartoon, sitcom > > or dramatic series that features a traditional Jewish family, I would > > be delighted to hear about it. > > "State of Grace", on ABCFamily (formerly Fox Family) Network. > > From their website: > > ""State of Grace" explores the humorous and touching memories of Hannah > Rayburn, a 47-year-old journalist who [...]
3384 112 76_[SCJ-PARENTING:6652] Re: Shows featuring Jewish families (was: Re: cartoons)11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:37:59 EST608_-
Fred Rosenblatt wrote in message news:61cb6731.0112281140.7589aba1@posting.google.com... > "Leah Adezio" wrote in message news:< > 3c2bd2c4_1@nntp2.nac.net>... > > DKerzner@aol.com wrote: > > > > (or it may have been Fred Rosenblatt -- my apologies if I've messed up the > > attributations) > > > > If any of the reader can name one, just one, cartoon, sitcom > > > or dramatic series that features a traditional Jewish family, I would > > > be delighted to hear about it. > > > > "State of Grace", on ABCFamily (formerly Fox Family) Network. > > > > From [...]
3497 85 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6653] Re: Need advice re: Bris6_Lauren33_richard@the-third.freeserve.co.uk29_Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:22:06 EST601_-
"animzmirot" wrote in message news:axPW7.15464$uM.160209@rwcrnsc54... > > "Lauren" wrote in message > news:9u3n3e$v3q$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > While I personally agree that a bris should be held, there are reasons > > > people choose not to. One is cost, which despite what people claim, is > > quite > > > high for a mohel and the simcha food and drink. > > > > > > Another is family. I have a friend who is Jewish (raised C, educated at > > > SSDS) who married a very secular Jewish man, a scientist, who refused to > [...]
3583 63 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6654] Re: Need advice re: Bris0_16_robynk@shore.net29_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:26:00 EST583_- Forwarded message:
In article <20011225093834.07239.00002499@mb-dh.aol.com>, Splanche wrote: >>the rabbi who would be marrying them would ask for the name of the rabbi >who >>circumscied them. since they would not be able to come up with it they >would >>indeed need to be recircumscied. this goes for ortho and conservative. not >>sure >>how reform hold. > >But a Mohel does not need to be a rabbi (and tends not to be one in this >neighborhood). How on earth would the rabbi who was marrying someone know >all >the certified Mohels in the country? [...]
3647 40 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6655] Re: Need advice re: Bris8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:27:39 EST530_- >However, your son might become a Baal Tushevah, and then it matters a LOT. >Some frum families would not accept the word of a BT without a brit >certificate. So if you have any reason whatsoever to believe that your son >might at some future time become a BT
Just to state the obvious, it is entirely possible a child will become a BT without you thinking ir posible it or having a child who does, etc. Also, even though most likely your child may be able to fool a Rabbi into thinking he had a bris even though he [...]
3688 51 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6656] Re: Need advice re: Bris8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:22:17 EST513_- >Well, if that happened, he'd have more problems than just being circ'ed = !!! >Being circ'ed by choice would be just part of having to learn everything >else from scratch anyway . > >Lauren
Well, there is not much a parent can do about how a child will be = perceived in some time in the future by some future inlaws or spouse. = About the only thing you can do for your child at this age of life is to go thru with a = brit, bascially because it may be meaningful and or useful for the child when [...]