1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting July 2001 2 33 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:6275] Re: kid-friendly restaurant recommendation near JFK8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:54:42 EDT526_- I Haven't been there, but I understand in Terminal 4 of JFK(the new termi= nal- it opened a few weeks ago) a Kosher Hot Dog/ Hamberger type place opened.= It is called Evens or something like that.=20 You can agree with me, or you can be wrong(g) Bob F

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 36 28 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6276] Washing tzitzis6_Steven19_sageboy@hotmail.com28_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:01:02 EDT600_- What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the washing machine is no good.

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 65 51 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6277] Re: Washing tzitzis15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:49:58 EDT448_- In article , sageboy@hotmail.com (Steven) wrote:

>What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the >washing machine is no good.

Good question. I wish I had a real answer!

The problem of course is the tzitzit themselves. They tend to unravel in the washer. I have heard of, and tried, various techniques, all of which work to a degree but not perfectly: [...] 117 56 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6280] Re: Washing tzitzis12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 02:51:15 EDT464_- I found a special bag made for washing tzitzis, at our little local kosher place. I haven't used it yet, but I will try, bli neder, to try it out this week and report the results here!

It's called "Washtzit Bag" ("the tangle-free solution") and is made by a company in Israel, Keter Quality Judaica - apparently distributed out of Brooklyn, NY. There's no address or phone number on the package, but I will try to find this info and get back to you. [...] 174 43 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6281] Re: Washing tzitzis12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:20:45 EDT325_- I made a mistake when I was trying to figure out the diagrams and instructions on the Washtzit package... you don't tie a tie through holes in the bag, you thread the drawstring of the bag through all four holes in the corners of the tzitzis, then tie it tight. I'm sure this will be clear once I actually try it out! [...] 218 42 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6283] Re: Washing tzitzis14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:58:00 EDT452_- Steven wrote: >What is the best way to wash the tallis katan?

Fred replied: >3. I think there are some tallitot that have a little pocket in each >corner where the strings can be tucked. I haven't seen one, and I >don't know if this affects the cost.

My 2 cents: They definitely do make them. My husband has them. He washes his in the sink with Woolite and then hangs them over the shower rack or an a hanger to dry. [...] 261 45 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6285] Good new show with Jewish content10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:04:52 EDT562_- Tonight a new show previewed on Fox Family called The Saving Grace. It takes place in 1965 when a Jewish family from Evanston IL moves to North Carolina. The main character is a 12 YO girl who attends a fancy Xian private school where she is befriended by a very gentile girl. The show is quite reminiscent of both the Wonder Years and Brooklyn Bridge, but well done and with a lot of Jewish content. The first episode discussed the mezuzzah on the family doorframe, and contained a lovely scene where the father, a survivor, explained the numbers on his [...] 307 116 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6286] Re: Hebrew Curricula10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:05:13 EDT606_-

"Naomi Lynne Pardue" wrote in message news:9gh1e5$jib$5@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu... > Shaina just finished third grade. She goes to afternoon Hebrew School > twice a week. (Two hours Sunday and Wednesday.) Last year was the > year they were supposed to start serious study of Hebrew. (They'd > worked on the alef-bet, and learned a bit of vocabulary during the > previous years.) > > I was VERY unhappy with the progress she made during the year. I > realize that 4 hours a week isn't a huge amount of time, but it's no > less, really, than the amount of time [...] 424 116 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6287] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 147210_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:06:17 EDT476_- > > > > Can anyone suggest any curricula > > that you or your kids have used and liked?=20 > >=20 > > Naomi=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > I've been using the Yesh Lanu Lama series with my son at home. Both the = > text=20 > and work book are completely in Hebrew which forces the child to learn = > to=20 > think in that language and, what I like best, the child learns, not = > only=20 > grammar rules and vocabulary, but proper syntax. The story's kind of = > cute,=20 > too. [...] 541 46 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6289] Re: Washing tzitzis10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:17:56 EDT588_-

"Steven" wrote in message news:e64aaa77.0106301859.602e19a2@posting.google.com... > What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the > washing machine is no good. > OK, this sounds weird, but it works for us. I gather up the strings and poke them inside a baby sock. One of the really small ones, like a gap infant sock, works best. Then I take a coated rubber band, known as a 'pony tail holder in our house' and secure the top of the sock with all the strings inside. This stops the unraveling because there isn't anyplace for the [...] 588 40 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6290] Re: Washing tzitzis15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:18:44 EDT429_- In article <994135141scjp-submit@shamash.org>, njpmail@mindspring.com (Yael Resnick) wrote:

>I made a mistake when I was trying to figure out the diagrams and >instructions on the Washtzit package... you don't tie a tie through holes >in the bag, you thread the drawstring of the bag through all four holes in >the corners of the tzitzis, then tie it tight. I'm sure this will be clear >once I actually try it out! [...] 629 78 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:6291] Washing those %@#*(! Tzitzis...6_Jfer P17_j3fer@hotmail.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:10:42 EDT579_- Steven wrote:

"What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the washing machine is no good."

Here's what I do with my son's. This isn't perfect, but at least it gets=20 them clean...

1. Straighten out all the "strings", tighten all the knots, etc. 2. Load all tzitzis (several "pairs" at a time) into a pillowcase 3. Tie the pillowcase as close to the tzitzis as possible (I figure, so=20 they won't move around and get tangled) 4. Wash in washing machine with fairly cold water, no bleach, etc. 5. After wash cycle, remove tzitzis, [...] 708 35 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6292] Re: Washing tzitzis0_24_cstein1@rochester.rr.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:18:03 EDT563_-

Steven wrote in message news:e64aaa77.0106301859.602e19a2@posting.google.com... > What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the > washing machine is no good. > I always hand wash, but a lot of people use a lingerie bag. --Cindy S.



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> What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? I've heard that the > washing machine is no good.

I have no experience in this myself, but how about a hosiery bag and wash on gentle? That's what I do with our beaded socks.

Maury

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 779 46 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6294] Re: Washing tzitzis15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 08:01:27 EDT560_- In article <994171616scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman wrote:

>Steven wrote: >>What is the best way to wash the tallis katan? > >Fred replied: > >>3. I think there are some tallitot that have a little pocket in each >>corner where the strings can be tucked. I haven't seen one, and I >>don't know if this affects the cost. > >My 2 cents: >They definitely do make them. My husband has them. He washes his in the >sink with Woolite and then hangs them over the shower rack or an a hanger >to dry. [...] 826 68 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6295] Re: Good new show with Jewish content15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:08:55 EDT646_- In article , "animzmirot" wrote:

>Tonight a new show previewed on Fox Family called The Saving >Grace. It takes place in 1965 when a Jewish family from >Evanston IL moves to North Carolina. The main character is a >12 YO girl who attends a fancy Xian private school where she >is befriended by a very gentile girl. The show is quite >reminiscent of both the Wonder Years and Brooklyn Bridge, >but well done and with a lot of Jewish content. The first >episode discussed the mezuzzah on the family doorframe, and >contained a lovely scene where the father, a [...] 895 110 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6296] Re: Washing those %@#*(! Tzitzis...10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 15:09:59 EDT402_- How about an old embroider's trick. Buy the little plastic embroidery floss winders. Wind each set neatly around one or two (depending on bulk & the size of your winders). Fasten with fabric-covered hair pony tail bands. Wash cold, etc.

Haven't tried it, but have combed the "fringes" of a tallit gadol & will definitely try this next time.Think it took hours (including edge ravelings). [...] 1006 49 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6300] Re: Washing tzitzis12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:30:33 EDT538_- Here's the contact info for the distributors of the "Washtzit" bag --

Keter Quality Judaica, Inc. 3720 Fourteenth Ave. Brooklyn, NY 11218

718-436-6598 800-777-1012 fax 718-972-1378

I hope to try out the bag when I do laundry tomorrow - will report back -

Yael







***** Yael Resnick, Publisher/Editor, Natural Jewish Parenting The only magazine dedicated to a Jewish perspective on childraising and family health! Visit our new web site: http://www.naturaljewishparenting.com [...] 1056 72 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6301] Re: Washing those %@#*(! Tzitzis...6_Jfer P17_j3fer@hotmail.com28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:05:07 EDT434_- I can't resist. I know this isn't really the place for Jewish humour, = but=20 with all the discussion... well, I've modified this classic joke for = Jewish=20 parenting use:

In the heat of the summer, just before the Nine Days, Goldie needed her=20 son's tzitzis cleaned -- badly. She called her friend Zahava, who says=20 Moishe on West 4th is the best place go to. "He's fast, and he only = charges=20 $4.00 a pair." [...] 1129 47 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6302] Re: Washing tzitzis23_Ari's Judaica Treasures12_ari@wynn.com28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:06:40 EDT326_- As a mother of two boys, and many experiments done, I have found two methods that work fairly well.

1- Gather all four tzitzis fringes and put it into a childrens white sock ( a crew) then pull up the sock to enclose the whole thing. Tie the sock in a knot close to the top. Woa! The sock and tzitzes get clean. [...] 1177 36 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6303] Re: Washing those %@#*(! Tzitzis...5_Berel15_Dontspam@me.net28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:37:50 EDT331_- That's like the painter who took down all the mezuazas and threw away the instructions inside because he already knew how rehang them.

"Jfer P" wrote in news:994274377scjp-submit@shamash.org:

> "I do, " says Jones, "$4.00 for the tzitzis -- and $20.00 to get all = > the=20 > knots out!" > [...] 1214 33 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:6304] Re: Washing Tzitis0_15_va_who@juno.com28_Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:32:38 EDT506_- There is also something you can buy in fabric stores that acts like the super glue previously mentioned but is designed for fabrics. I've made my own Tzitzit and seal the ends with this. Now I admit I haven't washed them, but this fabric glue is supposed to be washable. I also wonder if taking a rubber band and just banding up the ends wouldn't work. I did this with the tzitzit before I could put a dot of fabric glue on each. At least the rubber bands keep them from unraveling in the meantime. [...] 1248 71 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:6305] Re: Washing Tzitis5_Debbi17_daffymom@home.com28_Sun, 8 Jul 2001 17:07:36 EDT529_- If you go to a quilt shop (not a craft store like Michael's, Tall Mouse or Hobby Lobby or a cheap fabric store like JoAnn's or Walmart) the people there are extremely helpful. Explain what you need so that the ends of the Tzitzit don't tangle and ravel. They will let you know what products are available. The Fabric glue idea is great, quilter's do a lot of gluing if they are into applique. There is also a very gentle soap used to wash quilts which would probably be great for Tzitzit. You may not want to take kids as [...] 1320 41 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6307] Family-Friendly Friday Nights19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:51:27 EDT309_-

Do any SCJP'ers attend Friday night services specifically geared to engage the attention of the rather young (say, age 6 and under), as well as their parents? What aspects of these services seem best to hold the attention of the small ones--and how are they combined with the standard service? [...] 1362 94 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:6308] Re: Washing Tzitis23_Ari's Judaica Treasures12_ari@wynn.com28_Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:52:08 EDT289_- Just snip off a tiny bit of the tzitzis (to provide a clean cut) and put on "Fray Check". This is a clear substance that is specifically made for threads, ends of ribbons, runs in pantyhose etc. It is washable, dryable, and cleanable. It can be gotten in any sewing/trimming store. [...] 1457 33 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6310] Re: Washing tzitzis8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:57:21 EDT504_- >What is the best way to wash the tallis katan?

We put them into a sock. When then come out of the washer, we leave them in the sock and put hem in the drawer. Works fine. You can agree with me, or you can be wrong(g) Bob F

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1491 56 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6311] Re: Family-Friendly Friday Nights8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:06:49 EDT508_- >Before DH and I had children, we were always at shul for Kabbalat = Shabbat. >Without fail. Now it seems much harder to make it to shul AND have a=20 >nice supper with singing and brachot AND have the small ones in bed by = 8=20 >or so. To those parents who are better than we are at getting themselves= =20 >and their children to shul Friday night: how do you make it work = time-wise? > Our Shul has a 6:30pm family service on some Fridays. Since DH and I don't = get home until 5:45 best case, it [...] 1548 46 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6312] Re: Hebrew Curricula0_37_lynne.a.fitzsimmons@exgate.tek.com=2029_Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:08:56 EDT299_- My children both went to tutors for most of their Hebrew education. Brian started with a tutor for 3 years, then Intel needed the tutor for more = hours :-) and Brian and the other 2 children (little class of 3, 1 hour a week) went on to the community afternoon school. They were not behind. [...] 1595 52 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6314] Family-Friendly Friday Nights0_25_maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu29_Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:48:04 EDT561_-

I guess it depends on the age of the children. We've now been involved with the "Tot Shabbat" scene in 3 different congregations. The best for the under 5 crowd by far was on Saturday morning during the regular service, but held in a nursery school room. That congregation had developed a service for this age group that had all the elements (or symbols thereof) of a real service, set in a laminated siddur. They read a calendar-appropriate story in place of the Torah service, and it all took about 35 mintues. The kids LOVED it. This was at a [...] 1648 82 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6315] Re: Family-Friendly Friday Nights5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:04:55 EDT393_-

Alexandra J Schmidt writes: >=20 > Do any SCJP'ers attend Friday night services specifically geared to > engage the attention of the rather young (say, age 6 and under), as wel= l > as their parents? What aspects of these services seem best to hold the=20 > attention of the small ones--and how are they combined with the standar= d=20 > service? [...] 1731 65 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6316] Re: Family-Friendly Friday Nights12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:22:41 EDT347_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: >=20 > Do any SCJP'ers attend Friday night services specifically geared to > engage the attention of the rather young (say, age 6 and under), as wel= l > as their parents? What aspects of these services seem best to hold the > attention of the small ones--and how are they combined with the standar= d > service? [...] 1797 67 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6317] Re: Family-Friendly Friday Nights4_Hbar27_hrg1000@wicc.weizmann.ac.il29_Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:46:56 EDT522_- Does your shul have an early minyan? Our shul has an early minyan at around 6pm for people who want to bring in Shabbat early generally because of young children. We tend to go to the early minyan and then have dinner after. My son, Eran, is 17 months old and sometimes he goes to shul with my husband, sometimes he stays home with me, and very rarely I'm organised enough to have the meal ready and go to shul with both my son and my husband :) We generally finish dinner by 9 which is Eran's bedtime. There isn't [...] 1865 45 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:6318] Holocaust Museum in D.C. & Kids18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu29_Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:20:26 EDT414_- We're going to Washington for a short vacation next week. I am undecided about whether to take Shaina (9 1/2) to the Holocaust Museum. Of course we would only do the "Daniel's Story" part, but I can't find much information about it. I've checked the website and several travel guides, and they say little but "This is an exibit that is appropriate for children under 11, and that doesn't require a ticket." [...] 1911 82 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6319] Re: Holocaust Museum in D.C. & Kids5_Debbi17_daffymom@home.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:01:05 EDT324_- I went to the museum several years ago. I did not have my kids with me. Daniel's Story is done quite well. You can get the book that tells the story to see how your daughter reacts to it. I was impressed how they did the exhibit. There is no way she should go upstair to the main exhibit until she is AT LEAST 13.=20 [...] 1994 35 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6321] Holocaust Museum36_Rosenberg, Dale (CICG Info Security)26_DRosenberg@exchange.ml.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:26:36 EDT480_- I have not been to the museum but have some info to offer. There is a = companion book to the exhibit, also called _Daniel's Story_, and my son = read it when he was Shaina's age. Perhaps you could get it from the library and read it and get a better idea of whether or not = the story itself is appropriate for your child. Of course reading a book = is a somewhat different experience than seeing a museum exhibit, but it would give you a little more information, anyway. [...] 2030 80 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:6322] Holocaust Museum in D.C. & Kids15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:58:05 EDT479_- I live in D.C. and have been to Daniel's Story. (Though I didn't take my = =3D kids because I was accompanying adult visitors who mainly wanted to see =3D the upstairs exhibit). I would highly recommend Daniel's Story for kids 7 and up. Expect to =3D spend 30 to 45 minutes. It is located very close to other D.C. attraction= s=3D like the Washington Monument, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and =3D American History museum, so can be combined with other things. =3D20 [...] 2111 36 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6323] Cute things said12_Susan Marcus21_susan.marcus@home.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:09:16 EDT324_- My daughter is attending a Chabad day camp this summer. I was talking to another parent whose younger son (aged 3) is also attending the daycamp.

I asked her how her son was enjoying the camp... She said fine but he was upset because "Moshiach won't come now".

Susan Mom to Rebecca (8) and Hannah (4.5) [...] 2148 43 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:6324] Re: Family-Friendly Friday Nights15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:11:52 EDT447_- In article <20010710084851.06415.00005565@ng-ch1.aol.com>, splanche@aol.com (Splanche) wrote:

>I'm sure that if you keep kosher, one of >your local kosher markets might have ready-to-serve entrees. Otherwise, >you could cook the night before. Chicken or brisket both microwave pretty >nicely if you slice them and put them in a microwave steamer. >There's still not a huge amount of time, but at least it seems like >Shabbat dinner. [...] 2192 56 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6328] Holocaust Museum0_25_maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu29_Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:50:11 EDT588_- Discussions about raising Jewish children writes:

> From: Naomi Lynne Pardue >=20 > We're going to Washington for a short vacation next week. I am undecide= d > about whether to take Shaina (9 1/2) to the Holocaust Museum. Of course= we > would only do the "Daniel's Story" part, but I can't find much informat= ion > about it. I've checked the website and several travel guides, and they > say little but "This is an exibit that is appropriate for children unde= r > 11, and that doesn't require a ticket." >=20 > Anyone been? Worth seeing? [...] 2249 34 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6329] CTTD, almost 3 years19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:46:39 EDT506_-

My older son likes to unplug the cord from his little brother's baby monitor, position the white box at one end on his arm, wrap the cord around his arm, and announce, "I'm wearing tefillin!"

Oy!

. . .Alexandra

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Have your children particularly enjoyed any of the Jewish-themed board = games? [...] 2321 263 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6331] Re: Holocaust Museum0_15_va_who@juno.com29_Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:17:11 EDT632_- This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

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I've been there once and spent most of the day there--

I can tell you some things about it--

Though I haven't gone with the the local synagogue, who usually sponsors a field trip there for kids, I understand they won't take them under age 10. And they do prep work with the children so they will know and understand a bit about what they will be seeing. So [...] 2585 47 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6332] Jewish Summer Camps0_24_cstein1@rochester.rr.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:19:58 EDT543_- Hello, everyone:

I am almost embarassed to write this, but here goes: I have a good friend who claims that Jewish sleep-away camps (as opposed to secular camps) alm= ost universally require that children attend for a full 8 weeks beyond a cert= ain age (let's say past age 13 or 14). I told her I thought this was a silly generalization, but she insists this is true (and claims it was the case even when her husband was young). She claims that when she is talking to non-Jews and mentions that her son is in camp for the entire [...] 2633 65 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6333] Re: Jewish Board Games10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:09:50 EDT340_-

"Irene Bleiweiss" wrote in message news:sb5443dd.069@fcc.gov... My synagogue is planning to buy a few Jewish-themed games that children aged 7 to 12 can play. They'd be available on yom tov, at those times when the kids are either not in services with their parents or in scheduled educational activities. [...] 2699 48 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6335] Re: Holocaust Museum18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:54:38 EDT526_- va_who@juno.com wrote:

> I've been there once and spent most of the day there--

> I can tell you some things about it--

> Though I haven't gone with the the local synagogue, who usually sponsors > a field trip there for kids, I understand they won't take them under age > 10. And they do prep work with the children so they will know and > understand a bit about what they will be seeing. So I would say that you > might want to discuss it with your kids in more detail, so they can be > prepared. [...] 2748 38 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6336] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 149220_Wendy & Larry Darrow17_ldarrow@flash.net29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:54:55 EDT544_-

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Check out www.judaicaforkids.com They have bunches of games for that age: Jewish Trivia, Quick Shtick, Hebrew Scrabble etc. Hope that helps! Wendy







============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 2787 59 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6337] Re: Jewish Board Games23_Ari's Judaica Treasures12_ari@wynn.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:29:55 EDT434_- My kids are between 8 and 11, and the following games are popular with them:

Get Ready, Get Set, Good Shabbos: By Feldheim. In this game children must go around town filling their bages with Shabbos food: Challah, wine, fruit etc.

Letter Getter: By Feldhem. A Jewish/Hebrew Rummy Game.

Around the Jewish Year: By Feldheim. Children take a journey through the holidays of the year. They seem to enjoy this. [...] 2847 54 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6338] Re: Holocaust Museum8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:59:28 EDT616_- >Another 'good' thing about this museum is that it speaks to EVERYONE! My >husband is not Jewish and they pointed out in the exhibits that Hitler >didn't just target the Jews for extermination. He did away with the >Gypsies and the infirm/mentally handicapped first, and he also threw >about 6 million other people in the camps (mostly Russians), and >dissidents to his regime, and even Christians who didn't agree with him. >Granted, the Russians and Christians weren't specifically targetted for >extinction the way our relatives were, but it gave non-Jews a chance to >see the total and complete horror of [...] 2902 48 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6339] Re: Jewish Summer Camps8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:00:50 EDT447_- >Hello, everyone: > >I am almost embarassed to write this, but here goes: I have a good friend >who claims that Jewish sleep-away camps (as opposed to secular camps) alm= >ost >universally require that children attend for a full 8 weeks beyond a cert= >ain >age (let's say past age 13 or 14). I told her I thought this was a silly >generalization, but she insists this is true (and claims it was the case >even when her husband was young). [...] 2951 64 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6340] Re: Jewish Summer Camps12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:02:28 EDT526_- cstein1@rochester.rr.com wrote: > > Hello, everyone: > > I am almost embarassed to write this, but here goes: I have a good friend > who claims that Jewish sleep-away camps (as opposed to secular camps) alm= > ost > universally require that children attend for a full 8 weeks beyond a cert= > ain > age (let's say past age 13 or 14). I told her I thought this was a silly > generalization, but she insists this is true (and claims it was the case > even when her husband was young). She claims that when she is talking [...] 3016 57 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6341] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:25:12 EDT275_- > > My big problem with the Jewish summer camps was that most of them > have only 3 or 4 week sessions, nothing in the one or two week > range. My daughter would love to go away for the whole summer, and > probably will when she is older, as long as we can afford it. [...] 3074 81 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6342] Re: Jewish Summer Camps12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:05:32 EDT465_- animzmirot wrote: > > > > > My big problem with the Jewish summer camps was that most > of them > > have only 3 or 4 week sessions, nothing in the one or two > week > > range. My daughter would love to go away for the whole > summer, and > > probably will when she is older, as long as we can afford > it. > > This isn't true, either. You evidentally haven't looked very > far, but Ramah, which is in western MA has a short session. > So do the other Jewish [...] 3156 49 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6343] Re: Jewish Board Games15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:59:38 EDT636_- In article <5tp57.226020$%i7.127287433@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, "animzmirot" wrote:

>"Irene Bleiweiss" wrote in message >news:sb5443dd.069@fcc.gov... >My synagogue is planning to buy a few Jewish-themed games >that children aged 7 to 12 can play. They'd be available on >yom tov, at those times when the kids are either not in >services with their parents or in scheduled educational >activities. > > >I would think that most 'board' games would be problematic >because they cause the player to roll dice. That would be >wrong on Shabbat (and may be considered gambling anyhow). [...] 3206 35 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6344] Re: Jewish Summer Camps14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Sat, 21 Jul 2001 21:41:24 EDT481_- If anyone does know of any Jewish camps in the northeast that offer 2-week sessions for the general population of campers I would be interested in knowing which ones do that. My son will be attending a 2-week teaser session this summer, but after this year would have to attend a 4-week session if he wants to go back, and we're not sure that will fit into either our schedule or our budget. (And thanks for the hint about camperships, though I'm not sure if we'd qualify.) [...] 3242 34 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6345] Re: Jewish Summer Camps5_Debbi17_daffymom@home.com29_Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:47:55 EDT382_- My daughter is going to be a junior in high school in fall. She did not attend camp for various reason this summer, but had she attended, the session would have been 4 weeks-- not 8. This is Camp Newman in northern CA. It is a reform camp, but it is a Jewish camp. No, she is not required to attend 8 weeks at all. She wants to go for 8 weeks next year as a CIT in training. [...] 3277 83 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6346] Re: Jewish Summer Camps7_DREIMAN23_m4fab4@worldnet.att.net29_Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:52:19 EDT382_- Hi from Southern California, We have been very happy with our summer and winter camp at Brandeis-Bardin. My son started out with a one week sleep-over when he was 10 and now at almost 14, he is gone for three weeks and even then, we have to drag him away! I know of atleast two other Jewish camps in my area, both conservative, but I've never heard of an 8 week committment. [...] 3361 79 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6347] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:09:09 EDT574_- My children attend two different Jewish camps, Ramah and Alonim. Neither require a full summer's stay. In fact, Alonim does not allow any campers to be there for more than a session (either 1, 2, or 3 weeks, depending upon the session) without a break between sessions.

Ramah does either a 2 week Gesher program for younger children, or 4 week sessions for older kids. It's easy to refute your friend. Look at the camp web sites. They ALL have them. Just search under Google for "Jewish overnight camps" and you'll probably get well over 100 hits. Look at the [...] 3441 45 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6348] Re: Jewish Summer Camps14_GAN EDEN WINES16_ganeden@dnai.com29_Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:14:30 EDT602_- BS"D

Most camps I know of have 1 to 2 4-week sessions, and one can send the ki= ds, no matter how old, for a minimum of 1 session, if one so desires.

Craig Winchell, father of 6 (several are campers) GAN EDEN Wines wrote in message news:pvq57.68952$T97.10484992@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com... > Hello, everyone: > > I am almost embarassed to write this, but here goes: I have a good frie= nd > who claims that Jewish sleep-away camps (as opposed to secular camps) a= lmost > universally require that children attend for a full 8 weeks beyond a ce= rtain age=20 [...] 3487 42 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6349] Re: Washing those %@#*(! Tzitzis...14_GAN EDEN WINES16_ganeden@dnai.com29_Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:15:48 EDT468_- BS"D

If you get the corners together, straighten the strings, then fold them o= nce or twice and wrap them in aluminum foil, place rubber bands around the fo= il to hold it in place, then place the aluminum foil packet into a plastic b= ag and use rubber bands to hold it in place, you can machine wash the cloth beged without tangling the strings. Of course, the strings do not then ge= t cleaned, but most of the dirt is in the cloth, not the strings. [...] 3530 76 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:6351] Re: kid-friendly restaurant recommendation near JFK14_GAN EDEN WINES16_ganeden@dnai.com29_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:21:08 EDT293_- BS"D

Cedarhurst is only a few minutes from Kennedy, and there are all manner of kosher eateries there, many of which (such as the pizza places) are kid friendly. And of course, the Dunkin Donuts in Lawrence on Rockaway Blvd = (on the way to Cedarhurst) is a good place to start. [...] 3607 36 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6352] Jewish Summer Camps14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:23:03 EDT462_- I can tell you for sure about the camps that I know, either personally, or through others. Camp Sternberg has a six week session first, and then a three week session. Camp Mesorah has 2 four-week sessions, as does Camp Morasha. None of these places mandate that you stay both sessions as a camper. The day camps near me don't even require all 8 weeks. (Ma-Tov, Regesh, etc.) (Side note: All camps that I mentioned here are Orthodox camps in the NY area.) [...] 3644 52 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:6353] toy/book recommendations offered/sought19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:15:24 EDT351_-

My mother found a beautiful set of wooden Hebrew alphabet blocks for the boys. They are very nicely made--have letters and pictures with the word for the picture spelled out, plus numbers and mathematical operators. She got them on www.geniusbaby.com (which has a marketing angle that makes me cringe, but this is a very nice product). [...] 3697 53 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6354] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:43:49 EDT523_-

"DREIMAN" wrote in message news:2lM57.11960$gj1.1196885@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att. net... > Hi from Southern California, > We have been very happy with our summer and winter camp at Brandeis-Bardin. > My son started out with a one week sleep-over when he was 10 and now at > almost 14, he is gone for three weeks and even then, we have to drag him > away! I know of atleast two other Jewish camps in my area, both > conservative, but I've never heard of an 8 week committment. [...] 3751 45 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6355] The name 'Sender'4_Hbar27_hrg1000@wicc.weizmann.ac.il29_Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:46:43 EDT626_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please keep responses on the subject of Jewish parenting, rather than on the derivation of names in general. Thanks! ****************************************

Hello, We are thinking of names for our new baby boy. My father says his fathers Hebrew name was Sender, has anyone heard of this name? If so what does it mean? Are there any other similar but more modern names with the same meaning? This will be the baby's second name we are choosing the first name according to what we like but we want the second name to have a family connection. By the way [...] 3797 72 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6356] Re: The name 'Sender'13_Bernie Hirsch20_bernie06@sprynet.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:16:55 EDT299_- Hi Helen,

The name Sender is another name for Alexander. I have seen the name used in Alsace, France. I have heard that it was originally used in honor of Alexander the Great. I also do not think it was a Hebrew name, but perhaps a Yiddish or Judeo-Alsatian (variant of Yiddish) name. [...] 3870 112 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6357] Jewsih Camps7_KOuriel24_houriel@rochester.rr.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:19:01 EDT630_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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OK I am " the friend" who brought up the 8 week camp bit.

I am glad to know that there are other options, however in our area we = have 2 choices, Camp Ramah( Conser) and Seneca Lake ( Reform). I don't = know about the other Ramah camps, but if one lives within certain = states, the camp you select is not optional, the camper must go to the = camp that is designated for that region. I just returned from the = facility [...] 3983 84 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6358] Re: The name 'Sender'10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:32:31 EDT478_- > > Hello, > We are thinking of names for our new baby boy. My father says his > fathers Hebrew name was Sender, has anyone heard of this name? If so > what does it mean? Are there any other similar but more modern names > with the same meaning? This will be the baby's second name we are > choosing the first name according to what we like but we want the > second name to have a family connection. By the way we live in Israel > and my husband is a sabra so it is kind [...] 4068 56 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6359] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:03:24 EDT541_- Speaking of overnight camps, my 8 YO son just returned from a month at Ramah and he is like a changed person. First, his hebrew has vastly improved (he's been in Jewish schools since the age of 2 and is pretty self sufficient in written Hebrew, but never before in oral) and he's speaking in full sentences, something I didn't quite expect. But the best thing is, he LOVED camp. I mean, I've never seen this kid so psyched about anything before. He just couldn't stop talking about how fun it was, and how much he learned, and how he [...] 4125 32 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6361] The Name Sender36_Rosenberg, Dale (CICG Info Security)26_DRosenberg@exchange.ml.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:18:26 EDT524_- My understanding is that it is Yiddish and it is a derivative of Alexander.= If you do a web search on "Sender Alexander Name" you'll get lots of = genealogical records of people who are listed as "Sender (Alexander) . =20

Dale

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 4158 56 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6362] Re: Jewish Summer Camps15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:56:51 EDT375_- In article <3B57088B.B6051FE@hotmail.coma>, weedfam@hotmail.com wrote:

>> Hello, everyone: >>=20 >> I am almost embarassed to write this, but here goes: I have a good fri= end >> who claims that Jewish sleep-away camps (as opposed to secular camps) = alm=3D >> ost >> universally require that children attend for a full 8 weeks beyond a c= ert=3D >> ain [...] 4215 172 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6363] Re: Jewsih Camps5_Shosh26_Suwomyn26@worldnet.att.net29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:40:09 EDT712_- It may be that the Reform camp requires a longer visit to 'make up' for = the lack of intensive study of Judaism/Tanach/Talmud/etc. You may want to consider that, in developing your child's Jewish identity and knowledge base, a longer stay may be critical.

Shosh

"KOuriel" wrote in message news:002301c1131a$fc752e60$04da5f18@rochester.rr.com... > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C112F9.74F73800 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > OK I am " the friend" who brought up the 8 week camp bit. > > I am glad to know that there are other options, however [...] 4388 54 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:6364] preparing for Bar Mitzvah's12_Lois Freeman31_freemanl@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:34:32 EDT301_-

Hi:

Many months ago catering my son's Bar Mitzvah seemed like a good idea. Now I'm not so sure. However, it's in 2.5 weeks, and short of winning a lottery I still need to bake.

Has anyone else done this? How do you freeze cakes? Do you ice them or does the icing go icky? [...] 4443 97 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6365] name: Sender20_Debra Weiner-Heerter20_heerter@noblenet.org29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:44:05 EDT648_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Hi !

My oldest son's Hebrew name is Sender Yehoshua! He was named after my = Uncle who's English name was Sydney. I can not remember at this minute = what is means, but when I looked up the name the English equivalent was = Sydney which I personally don't like but it also said Alexander. After = much discussion my oldest son's English name is Joshua Alexander. I was = told at one time Sender was Yiddish but it is in all the Hebrew baby [...] 4541 61 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6366] Re: Jewsih Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:44:35 EDT662_-

"KOuriel" wrote in message news:002301c1131a$fc752e60$04da5f18@rochester.rr.com... > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C112F9.74F73800 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > OK I am " the friend" who brought up the 8 week camp bit. > > I am glad to know that there are other options, however in our area we = > have 2 choices, Camp Ramah( Conser) and Seneca Lake Reform). I don't = > know about the other Ramah camps, but if one lives within certain = > states, the camp you select is not optional, the camper must [...] 4603 34 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:6367] Thanks for replies on the name Sender4_Hbar27_hrg1000@wicc.weizmann.ac.il29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:22:59 EDT326_- I would like to thank everyone who replied to my post on my grandfather's name, Sender. The replies were very helpful and it was lovely to get so many wishes of b'shaa'ah tova. We probably won't use the name because my brother is named Alexander, so it would be like using the same name as my brother. Thank you again. [...] 4638 61 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6368] Re: Jewsih Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:46:43 EDT662_-

"KOuriel" wrote in message news:002301c1131a$fc752e60$04da5f18@rochester.rr.com... > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C112F9.74F73800 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > OK I am " the friend" who brought up the 8 week camp bit. > > I am glad to know that there are other options, however in our area we = > have 2 choices, Camp Ramah( Conser) and Seneca Lake Reform). I don't = > know about the other Ramah camps, but if one lives within certain = > states, the camp you select is not optional, the camper must [...] 4700 60 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6369] Re: The name 'Sender'15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:43:20 EDT485_- In article <3B5DF580.A198BDA3@sprynet.com>, bernie06@sprynet.com wrote:

>Hi Helen, > > The name Sender is another name for Alexander. I have seen the name used in >Alsace, France. I have heard that it was originally used in honor of Alexander >the Great.

Alexander the Great was considered to be sympathetic to the Rabbis in Israel at the time, and has therefore always been well thought of. Alexander and its variants has ever since been a normative Jewish name. [...] 4761 42 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6370] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:47:51 EDT256_- > > My problem with the Jewish summer camps is that they require a plane > trip across the country to get to. IIRC, though, the camp my son's=20 > friend (10-11 year range) goes to has two 4 week sessions. At his > age he only attends the first.=20 [...] 4804 72 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:6371] Re: toy/book recommendations offered/sought23_Ari's Judaica Treasures12_ari@wynn.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:59:41 EDT335_- In reference to your question about Artscroll's Childrens Siddur. As an employee of a Judaica Book store, I can tell you that they are selling like hot cakes. The illustrations are great, the same illustrator as the Jewish Bedtime series, bright and colorful. Schools and synagogues of all "stripes and colors" are ordering it. [...] 4877 51 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6372] Re: Jewish Summer Camps12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:15:28 EDT525_- Fred Rosenblatt wrote:

> My problem with the Jewish summer camps is that they require a plane > trip across the country to get to. IIRC, though, the camp my son's=20 > friend (10-11 year range) goes to has two 4 week sessions. At his > age he only attends the first.=20 > > I know one child from California who attends an O Yeshiva HS in New York. > After the end of the official school year, they attend a mandatory > camp for a good part of the summer, which is heavily weighted toward > education. It's more [...] 4929 80 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6373] Re: Jewish Summer Camps15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:41:06 EDT570_- In article <3B6019BE.4AD4428F@hotmail.coma>, weedfam@hotmail.com wrote:

>Fred Rosenblatt wrote: > >> My problem with the Jewish summer camps is that they require a plane >> trip across the country to get to. IIRC, though, the camp my son's=3D20 >> friend (10-11 year range) goes to has two 4 week sessions. At his >> age he only attends the first.=3D20 >>=20 >> I know one child from California who attends an O Yeshiva HS in New = York. >> After the end of the official school year, they attend a mandatory >> camp for a good part of the summer, which is [...] 5010 68 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6374] Re: CTTD, almost 3 years6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 15:43:08 EDT861_- That is adorable!



"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200107171725.NAA17653@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > My older son likes to unplug the cord from his little brother's baby > monitor, position the white box at one end on his arm, wrap the cord > around his arm, and announce, "I'm wearing tefillin!" > > Oy! > > . . .Alexandra > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D =3D=3D > This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. > Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent > authorities in those fields. > > ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. [...] 5079 31 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6375] Re: The name 'Sender'10_PBethWeiss18_pbethweiss@aol.com29_Sat, 28 Jul 2001 08:53:08 EDT619_- FWIW, there's the Hungarian 'Sandor' (pronounced Shandor), also for Alexander. My dad is one.

-Paula Weiss

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 5111 29 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6377] Re: Jewish Summer Camps8_JanetLDD16_janetldd@aol.com29_Sat, 28 Jul 2001 15:00:19 EDT393_- when i went to ramah in 72 and 73 you could only go for one session-8 wee= ks. it is so nice now the option has changed

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 5141 62 35_[SCJ-PARENTING:6378] Jewish camping22_Rabbi Richard Schachet16_lvrabbi@lvcm.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:25:52 EDT397_- Re Jewish Camping:

There are all types of Jewish camps on the East Coast, the West Coast and Mid West.

Most of the youth movements have camps- In particular I know of the Young Judaea camps which are in N.Y. State, Washington State (I think) and in Texas.

They are Kosher and somewhat traditional. I have three of my teen that go to the camps. 2 in N.Y., one in Texas. [...] 5204 41 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6379] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:03:07 EDT372_-

>when i went to ramah in 72 and 73 you could only go for one session-8 = wee=3D >ks. it >is so nice now the option has changed >

It hasn't. Children going into 6th grade (first year campers) can attend a = 4 week session. For everyone else it's 8 weeks or nothing.=20 --=20 I. Pour-El pourel@iastate.edu= =20 Iowa State University =09 Ames, IA 50011 [...] 5246 42 35_[SCJ-PARENTING:6380] Cute Son Story6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:49:28 EDT409_- My two year old son is attending pre-school 3 monrings a week at the JCC. Every Friday morning they do a little Shabbot service for the whole school. I join my son and we sing songs and say the prayers.

One of the songs is "Shabbot Shalom," which they start off with the Bim-Bam round. So now, on Friday mornings when I ask Shreyga Yitzach if he knows what day it is he proudly says, "Bim Bam!" [...] 5289 53 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:6381] Av babies & b'nai mitzvah19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:50:31 EDT550_-

This is about 12 years early; however, my smallest son was born on Rosh Chodesh Av and his parsha is Devarim. This is always read on the Shabbat that precedes Tisha b'Av. Shabbat or no, there's definitely a foreboding cast to the service--the haftorah is read alternating Eicha-mode and regular mode (as appropriate per the verse), and our Musaf shaliach tzibur [prayer leader] used "Eli Tzion" as the Adon Olam tune. (This is an old song of lament for the destruction of the Temples.) Appropriate, and pretty, but not exactly upbeat. [...] 5343 95 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6382] Re: Jewish Summer Camps14_GAN EDEN WINES16_ganeden@dnai.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:51:22 EDT519_- B"H

My son is just coming back today from Yeshivas HaKayitz in Skokie (He spent a week through Tisha B'Av with a friend who he met at camp-camp ended a week ago). He was pleading with us to send him next year. They daven, then 3 hours of learning, then fun-fun-fun, for basically the rest of the day. Last year he went to Camp Stone in PA, and liked it. He really liked Yeshivas HaKayitz much better. Sure, it takes a plane ride from CA, but they pick the kids up at the other end, and most kids that age [...] 5439 65 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6383] Re: Av babies & b'nai mitzvah15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:46:47 EDT673_- In article <200107301320.JAA00333@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:

>This is about 12 years early; however, my smallest son was born on >Rosh Chodesh Av and his parsha is Devarim. This is always read on the >Shabbat that precedes Tisha b'Av. Shabbat or no, there's definitely >a foreboding cast to the service--the haftorah is read alternating >Eicha-mode and regular mode (as appropriate per the verse), and our >Musaf shaliach tzibur [prayer leader] used "Eli Tzion" as the Adon Olam >tune. (This is an old song of lament for the destruction of the Temples.) >Appropriate, and pretty, but not exactly upbeat. > [...] 5505 61 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6384] Re: Jewish Summer Camps15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:52:05 EDT571_- In article <9k3rsu$r3r$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "GAN EDEN WINES" wrote:

>B"H > >My son is just coming back today from Yeshivas HaKayitz in Skokie (He = spent >a week through Tisha B'Av with a friend who he met at camp-camp ended a = week >ago). He was pleading with us to send him next year. They daven, then 3 >hours of learning, then fun-fun-fun, for basically the rest of the day. >Last year he went to Camp Stone in PA, and liked it. He really liked >Yeshivas HaKayitz much better. Sure, it takes a plane ride from CA, but >they pick the [...] 5567 106 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6385] Re: Av babies & b'nai mitzvah10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 16:05:03 EDT637_-

"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200107301320.JAA00333@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > This is about 12 years early; however, my smallest son was born on > Rosh Chodesh Av and his parsha is Devarim. This is always read on the > Shabbat that precedes Tisha b'Av. Shabbat or no, there's definitely > a foreboding cast to the service--the haftorah is read alternating > Eicha-mode and regular mode (as appropriate per the verse), and our > Musaf shaliach tzibur [prayer leader] used "Eli Tzion" as the Adon Olam > tune. (This is an old song of lament for the destruction of the Temples.) [...] 5674 128 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6386] Re: Av babies & b'nai mitzvah7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 08:10:07 EDT417_- (I'm hoping this goes through...please let me know if it does as my ISP has a problem with moderated newsgroups - so I'm attempting this through my AOL account)

>I'd advise you not to worry about the date 12 years in >advance. It might be that this particular date is taken with >another child in the congregation. IME, unless you belong to >a TINY congregation, dates aren't solid 12 years in advance. [...] 5803 54 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6387] Re: Av babies & b'nai mitzvah12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 10:30:04 EDT523_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:

> If we (hypothetically) pushed the date to the first Shabbat after Tisha > b'Av, our two boys would presumably have the same portion. (Big boy was > born right on that Shabbat.) This might or might not be a problem. (My > father and two brothers all read the same portion, as it happens, and > no one seemed to feel his turf had been impinged on or that he was the > recipient of too many unwanted corrections.) > > I plan to ask my LR this, too, but was curious about what people [...] 5858 95 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6388] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:13:31 EDT496_- > > Either I wasn't clear, or you're not as Fred-centered as I am. My = > problem=20 > with the plane trip is not that I don't think my son could handle it, or = > that=20 > I couldn't arrange safe connections, it's the air fare. Yeshivas = > HaKayitz, > and the Eastern camp my son's friend attended, sound like great places to = > =20 > ensure that the summer isn't merely an opportunity to forget the year's=20 > learning, and one of my goals is to try and work it out for next summer. [...] 5954 61 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6389] Re: Jewish Summer Camps10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:55:57 EDT392_-

"I. Pour-El" wrote in message news:9jvbml$ip1$1@news.iastate.edu... > > >when i went to ramah in 72 and 73 you could only go for one session-8 = > wee=3D > >ks. it > >is so nice now the option has changed > > > > It hasn't. Children going into 6th grade (first year campers) can attend a = > 4 > week session. For everyone else it's 8 weeks or nothing.=20 [...] 6016 54 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:6390] preparing for Bar Mitzvah's12_Lois Freeman31_freemanl@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:37:53 EDT301_-

Hi:

Many months ago catering my son's Bar Mitzvah seemed like a good idea. Now I'm not so sure. However, it's in 2.5 weeks, and short of winning a lottery I still need to bake.

Has anyone else done this? How do you freeze cakes? Do you ice them or does the icing go icky? [...]