1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting June 2001 2 88 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6236] RE: Where I start15_Schoeller, Dick22_Dick_Schoeller@bmc.com28_Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:21:12 EDT437_- You may want to checkout "Embracing Judaism" by Rabbi Simcha Kling. It was recently re-released with updates by his son-in-law Rabbi Carl Perkins.

Dick Schoeller BMC Software mailto:dick_schoeller@bmc.com=20 880 Winter St., Bldg 4 http://people.ne.mediaone.net/schoeller/=20 Waltham, MA 02454 781.663.4507

"Er ist ein Narr, der meint, es sei nicht schad, das Kind auszusch=3DFCtten mit dem Bad" - Thomas Murner 1512 [...] 91 48 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6237] Re: Yeshiva Woes15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:43:40 EDT377_- In article , "Thomas Conway" wrote:

>I guess that what has happened in Maxine casse may be an isolated >incident. Kids at any age and at any school can be very harsh on other >kids. I am not saying that it should be tolerated, but its a factor that >as parents we all have to wiegh in at times. [...] 140 49 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6238] Re: summer camp already?14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net28_Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:44:21 EDT280_- >Khailer wrote:

>> 2. I want my son to be with other Jewish kids his age but I am concerned that >> he will feel awkward with kids who are raised more observant, are there more >> secular type of camps where being Jewish is part of the culture but not the >> focus? [...] 190 62 30_[SCJ-PARENTING:6239] Re: MaTov7_Nechama21_nospam@newsranger.com28_Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:45:27 EDT525_- Aliza, Thanks so much for responding. It's good to know of someone who has heard good things about the camp. One of the chinuch teachers there was my Hebrew teacher in an adult ed class, and she is a really great person (I have not seen her in years). Other than that, I have not heard much about the camp, but my gut feeling when I enrolled my daughter was that it would be a good place for her. Since she goes to public school, I'm hoping going to a Torah-observant camp will help round out her religious education. [...] 253 33 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6240] Sleep-over camp10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:26:59 EDT526_- Anyone here sending their kids to Jewish overnight camp in CA? What camps are your kids attending. I'm looking for some buddies to tell my kids about, now that camp is coming up! I've got one going to Ramah, one going to Alonim.

Marjorie



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 287 57 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6241] Re: Sleep-over camp5_Debbi17_daffymom@home.com28_Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:52:48 EDT384_- First year in quite a few that I don't have one going to sleep over camp. My daughter went to Camp Newman for 3 years and loved it. Unfortunately, the program for those entering 10th grade is at Camp Swig and she does not want to go there. She plans to go back to Newman next year. Hopefully my son will better be able to are for himself next year so that he can go to Newman. [...] 345 67 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6242] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 144515_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:18:42 EDT614_- In article <3AFAE002.FD2DD00F@hotmail.coma>, weedfam@hotmail.com wrote:

>Fred Rosenblatt wrote: > >> I'll never understand how a Jewish woman can marry a nonJew, send >> her child to a school whose stated philosopy she disagrees with, >> and then accuse them of driving the child from Judaism when they >> won't accomodate her. I hear so many accusations of "driving >> children away from Judaism", but in my opinion there is a much greater >> threat in driving Judaism away from children. > >Because (as I have reason to know personally), sometimes there >is no Jewish man who is worth marrying (my [...] 413 37 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6243] Re: Yeshiva Woes3_mlw11_mlw@ams.org28_Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:19:49 EDT419_- Since first posting this query/concern, A number of folks both on and off list have pointed out elements that have made me wonder at the entire situation.

Two people gave me leads to pass on to the mother, for her to follow up on. I wish to thank all of you for your concern, your input, and observations. I hope that she can use them to resolve the problem, be it with her, her daughter, or the schools. [...] 451 60 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6244] Re: summer camp already?16_Evelyn C. Leeper18_eleeper@lucent.com28_Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:20:51 EDT550_- In article , Robyn Kozierok wrote: > >Khailer wrote: > > >> 2. I want my son to be with other Jewish kids his age but I am concerned > >> that he will feel awkward with kids who are raised more observant, ... > > My oldest will be going to Grossman (Westwood, MA) again for his 4th > summer; my 5yo will be going for the first time. Being Jewish is > definitely a big part of camp, but there is a wide range of levels of > observance among the campers; Orthodox kids have their own [...] 512 37 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6245] re: summer camp already?14_max_weisenfeld29_Max_Weisenfeld@compuserve.com28_Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:24:15 EDT352_-

The UAHC has a network of Reform summer camps across the country. They keep kosher, but the level of practice would be comfortable for kids who may not come from an observant backround. The Conservative movement has=

the Ramah camps. For Reform, check out the UAHC web site here: http://uahccamps.org/ For the Ramah camps, try: = [...] 550 80 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6246] Re: Where I start6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com28_Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:48:34 EDT304_- Believe it or not there is an "Idiot's Guide to Judaism," also a "Judaism for Dummies." There are also similar books on Jewish parenting. If you have a Barnes & Noble or Borders near you they have most of these in stock. You can also check online at www.amazon.com or www.bn.com or www.bamm.com . [...] 631 48 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6247] re: UAHC summer camp16_Robin M. Shapiro24_robinms@mail.inetone.net28_Sat, 9 Jun 2001 23:49:23 EDT484_- My experience of UAHC summer camp (I went to Camp Harlam, in the Poconos) was that it was more observant than the average Reform household, but there was no assumption that campers would be familiar with everything right away. That was almost 30 years ago, but I think the camps stay a couple of steps more observant than most Reform homes, and I know the food is kosher. I enjoyed camp, and paradoxically I think it was the first step on my road to a Conservative conversion. [...] 680 76 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:6248] Re: Suggestions for kid friendly kosher resort5_Chris18_cstuff84@yahoo.com29_Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:34:57 EDT583_- There is a farm in the Catskills, (NY) called GOlden Acres ranch. This is a hands on farm that is Kosher. It is great for children of all ages--from babies to teens.

good luck

Ellen "Susan Marcus" wrote in message news:3B0E7BD1.ED4AA7C2@home.com... > This may be a bit premature but we may be driving down to Washington DC > from > Ottawa Ontario (Through 1000 Islands NY)... We have a Bar Mitzvah the > weekend > between Yom Kippur and Sukkot. (not the ideal time) > > We thought that perhaps on the way back we might treat ourselves to [...] 757 34 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:6249] Re: Suggestions for kid friendly kosher resort8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:46:58 EDT339_- I have been to Golden Acres and would also recommend it. Its a lot like = an American Kibbutz. Its a lot of fun, especially for younger kids. Another place you can try is Homowack Hotel in Spring Glen, NY, near = the Monticello/Catskills Area. We've been there several times. =20 You can agree with me, or you can be wrong(g) Bob F [...] 792 35 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6250] CTTS, 2 years, 10 months19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:04:34 EDT307_-

Yesterday I was French-braiding my hair (for the first time in months-- it only takes 5 minutes but they have to be uninterrupted!), and Ged looked at me, twinkled, and said, "Ima, is your hair turning into a challah?"

. . .Alexandra Ima to Gideon, 2 years 10 months Josiah, 10 months [...] 828 44 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:6251] Supplementary Religious School17_Barbara *********21_mom_2_one@hotmail.com29_Wed, 20 Jun 2001 01:33:19 EDT583_- We are in the process of looking into schools for our son, who will start= =20 kindergarten in 2002. As we are unlikely to be able to afford Jewish day=20 school (or, indeed, any private school), it is likely that we will send h= im=20 to the local public school and a supplementary Hebrew school. In=20 investigating the supplementary school at our (Orthodox) synagogue, I=20 learned that, at least for the first 3 years, the children leave public=20 school an hour early to attend Hebrew school. I am troubled by this=20 practice. Is this now common? I would appreciate any [...] 873 41 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:6253] Re: Supplementary Religious School0_7_???@???29_Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:43:01 EDT612_- >From article , by "Barbara *********" : > ... I learned that, at least for the first 3 years, the children leave > public school an hour early to attend Hebrew school. I am troubled > by this practice. Is this now common? ...

All through my public school career, which ended with my graduation in 1969, I remember the Catholic kids getting out an hour early one day a week to attend their catechism classes (Catholic supplementary religious school, I had to look it up to find how to spell it). I think it was Wednesday they got off [...] 915 32 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:6254] Re: Supplementary Religious School5_Debbi17_daffymom@home.com29_Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:51:07 EDT275_- As both a child, and now as a parent, all of the supplemental programs here are after school. They begin at 4:00 as our middle schools don't get out until 3:20. I would be in an uproar, as you seem to be, if my children were required to miss school for Hebrew school. [...] 948 59 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:6255] Re: Supplementary Religious School0_37_lynne.a.fitzsimmons@exgate.tek.com=2029_Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:44:04 EDT557_- In Oregon this is called "Release Time". It is a state law that schools MUST allow children to leave for religious instruction. The issue, is, of course, not only what to do with the children that DON'T go, but what = about the children who are going. What does the public school teacher do during that time? In practice, every high school in our school district has an = LDS Seminary across the street or adjacent, so HS students get their daily religious instruction either first or last period of the day. In smaller towns in the state, almost an [...] 1008 66 34_[SCJ-PARENTING:6256] schools in CA10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu29_Thu, 21 Jun 2001 10:59:43 EDT555_- Hi-

We will be on sabbatical at Berkeley (CA) this coming fall. Anyone have information on schools (grade & high) in the area that might accept students for such a short length of time? We applied to one Jewish grade school which said it had openings but (after paying $100 in application fees) we were waiting-listed (presumably a polite "no" in favor of full year enrollees). We do not particularly want to add to our already high projected semester expenses by filing applications to schools that have no intention of enrolling our sons. [...] 1075 37 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6258] reform camps0_18_BKadden@aol.com=2029_Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:41:50 EDT472_- Just to let folks know the only UAHC camp (reform movement) which = observes=20 Kashrut is the new Canadian UAHC Camp George. Some of the other camps=20 observe a "biblical" kashrut, not mixing meat and milk but they do not=20 purchase kosher meat. To get a definitive explanation of each camps = kashrut=20 policies one would need to contact that particular UAHC camp. Contact me = off=20 line and I can provide you with the contact information for any UAHC camp. [...] 1113 42 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6259] school suggestion19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Thu, 21 Jun 2001 14:46:08 EDT570_-

You might want to look into the Jewish Community High School of the Bay, which is just opening its doors in September. It is brand-new and=20 will be housed adjacent to Congregation Kol Shofar in Tiburon. Bit of=20 a drive from Berkeley but not impossible. =20

I know very little about the school except that it is a 'first' in the Bay Area. I have seen their advertising and it's clear that a lot of=20 thought went into setting it up, but I have no idea what their curriculum or enrollment are like. It sounds interesting, though, and given that [...] 1156 62 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6262] Re: schools in CA12_Sophie Miron16_sophjxl@dnai.com29_Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:36:44 EDT631_- >We will be on sabbatical at Berkeley (CA) this coming fall. Anyone have >information on schools (grade & high) in the area that might accept stud= ents >for such a short length of time?

For a list of all day schools, check out the Resource guide:=20 http://www.jewishsf.com/resource There are a few new one's opening=20 up. You may want to check on reviews of any existing ones on the=20 ucb-parents mailing list archives: http://parents.berkeley.edu/ I=20 highly recommend subscribing to this list, it's a phenomenal resource=20 and one doesn't need to be affiliated with ucb to join. You can post=20 your question [...] 1219 39 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6263] Re: reform camps14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:54:02 EDT588_- In article <993136882scjp-submit@shamash.org>, wrote: >Just to let folks know the only UAHC camp (reform movement) which = >observes=20 >Kashrut is the new Canadian UAHC Camp George. Some of the other camps=20 >observe a "biblical" kashrut, not mixing meat and milk but they do not=20 >purchase kosher meat.

UAHC Camp Eisner offers a vegetarian option that would be kosher down to the shared dishes/utensils level, but does not offer kosher meat. I was a little surprised because when I went there many years ago they did offer a kosher option as well. [...] 1259 34 68_[SCJ-PARENTING:6264] kid-friendly restaurant recommendation near JFK19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:50:00 EDT515_-

Can anyone recommend a kosher restaurant near Kennedy Airport? Specifically, I'm looking for a place that would be comfortable for a family traveling from Israel with a jetlagged toddler and baby.

Thanks!

. . .Alexandra

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1294 35 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6265] Need advice on home schooling19_Kathi E Freudenheim21_kef2@acsu.buffalo.edu29_Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:51:35 EDT472_- Our son just graduated the 8th grade from a public school. We are not pleased with the local high schools and have decided to home school our son for at least the next school year. There are no Jewish high schools in our area (Buffalo, NY). We are Reform. Can anyone suggest or advise us on a curriculum that includes Jewish studies or is Jewish based and meets the New York State standards? Where can we find such materials? Thank you in advance for your efforts. [...] 1330 53 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6266] Hebrew Curricula18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu29_Tue, 26 Jun 2001 17:52:40 EDT555_- Shaina just finished third grade. She goes to afternoon Hebrew School twice a week. (Two hours Sunday and Wednesday.) Last year was the year they were supposed to start serious study of Hebrew. (They'd worked on the alef-bet, and learned a bit of vocabulary during the previous years.)

I was VERY unhappy with the progress she made during the year. I realize that 4 hours a week isn't a huge amount of time, but it's no less, really, than the amount of time a high school student might spend in a language class in school. At the end of the [...] 1384 85 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6268] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 14720_19_DKerzner@aol.com=2029_Wed, 27 Jun 2001 09:04:00 EDT692_-

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In a message dated 6/26/01 9:07:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 scj-parenting@shamash.org writes:



> Can anyone suggest any curricula > that you or your kids have used and liked?=20 >=20 > Naomi=20 >=20 >=20

I've been using the Yesh Lanu Lama series with my son at home. Both the = text=20 and work book are completely in Hebrew which forces the child to learn = to=20 think in that language and, what I like best, the child learns, not = only=20 grammar rules and vocabulary, but proper syntax. The story's kind of = cute,=20 too. [...] 1470 83 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6269] Re: Hebrew Curricula12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Wed, 27 Jun 2001 14:31:24 EDT531_- Naomi Lynne Pardue wrote: >=20 > Shaina just finished third grade. She goes to afternoon Hebrew School > twice a week. (Two hours Sunday and Wednesday.) Last year was the > year they were supposed to start serious study of Hebrew. (They'd > worked on the alef-bet, and learned a bit of vocabulary during the > previous years.) >=20 > I was VERY unhappy with the progress she made during the year. I > realize that 4 hours a week isn't a huge amount of time, but it's no > less, really, than the amount of time a high school [...] 1554 33 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6270] Re: schools in CA19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:38:52 EDT669_-

Following up my earlier post, the web site for the Jewish Community High School of the Bay is www.jchsofthebay.org.

Good luck!

. . .Alexandra

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First of all, congratulations to being parents who want more for themselves, their children and their heritage.

With more than 30 years in the pulpit, I'd like to make an observation and a suggestions.

The observation: too often and in every community in which I served, the vast majority of parents are caught up in the rat-race of programming their children and family. One of the least significant elements is a religous education in the heirarchy of flute, cross-country, orthodontics, girl scouts, service project, homework, etc. for a variety of reason. [...] 1780 69 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6274] Re: Hebrew Curricula15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:58:51 EDT599_- In article <3B394E12.8481843F@cogitation.org>, Lisa Hertel wrote:

>Naomi Lynne Pardue wrote: >> >> Shaina just finished third grade. She goes to afternoon Hebrew School >> twice a week. (Two hours Sunday and Wednesday.) Last year was the >> year they were supposed to start serious study of Hebrew. (They'd >> worked on the alef-bet, and learned a bit of vocabulary during the >> previous years.) > >I was dismayed to learn that our (Reform) temple also starts teaching >Hebrew in 3rd grade, rather than when they're primed to learn another >language--1st grade. [...]