1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting March 2001 2 38 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:6013] modest barbie clothes - article in LA times10_Pianocat8818_pianocat88@aol.com28_Thu, 1 Mar 2001 07:41:14 EST555_- Hi All-

I saw this article in the L.A. Times and thought it would be of interest to some here.

http://www.latimes.com/living/20010228/t000017663.html

Its about an Orthodox woman who makes modest clothes for Barbie dolls. Pretty cool.

Lisa Weller



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 41 45 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6014] Baby naming question16_Robin M. Shapiro24_robinms@mail.inetone.net28_Fri, 2 Mar 2001 03:30:39 EST356_- We have, thank G-d, a healthy baby girl! We're planning the naming and have an unusual question -- we're active in 2 different congregations, and wonder if it's acceptable to have 2 separate naming ceremonies. (The congregations are about 65 miles apart, so we can't really expect our friends from one congregation to attend a naming at the other.) [...] 87 90 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6016] Re: Baby naming question2_cw10_cw@rcn.com28_Fri, 2 Mar 2001 09:09:09 EST499_- One solution is to have one ceremony at your home. It might get crowded, but it will bring all of your friends together.

CW

"Robin M. Shapiro" wrote in message news:XFMail.20010302011336.robinms@mail.inetone.net... > We have, thank G-d, a healthy baby girl! We're planning the naming and have > an unusual question -- we're active in 2 different congregations, and wonder if > it's acceptable to have 2 separate naming ceremonies. (The congregations= [...] 178 59 34_[SCJ-PARENTING:6017] Purim costume14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:19:17 EST544_- Well Friends,

I did it. I made my costume for Purim. As you may recall, I am due to have a baby in just a few weeks. My husband and I like to dress us and our daughter in related costumes. This year was particularly challenging because of my burgeoning belly. Some of you may remember the discussion that went on on this list regarding costumes for VERY pregnant women. Adelle submitted the "facetious idea" of going as a pregnant chad. That's exactly what I did. Every year my school (I am a teacher) makes a big deal on Shushan [...] 238 98 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6018] Re: Baby naming question13_Bernie Hirsch20_bernie06@sprynet.com28_Sat, 3 Mar 2001 12:01:14 EST528_- Hi Robin,

First of all, Mazel Tov on your baby girl!!

The naming ceremony is how your baby girl will get her Hebrew name and as such it is important that it be done as soon as possible. It is traditionally done by having your husband get an aliyah at the Shabbos or weekly Torah reading. If you want to combine this with a family celebration, then you will probably want to do this on Shabbos and arrange with your rabbi as soon as possible to plan a good date. You will be called to the Bimah to join your [...] 337 94 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6020] Re: Baby naming question13_Bernie Hirsch20_bernie06@sprynet.com28_Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:31:52 EST528_- Hi Robin,

First of all, Mazel Tov on your baby girl!!

The naming ceremony is how your baby girl will get her Hebrew name and as such it is important that it be done as soon as possible. It is traditionally done by having your husband get an aliyah at the Shabbos or weekly Torah reading. If you want to combine this with a family celebration, then you will probably want to do this on Shabbos and arrange with your rabbi as soon as possible to plan a good date. You will be called to the Bimah to join your [...] 432 49 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:6021] Re: Baby naming question9_BBWMinors17_bbwminors@aol.com28_Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:42:59 EST569_- Mazel tov as well ...

Not sure what congregation you belong to but ours (conservative) was extremely flexible and receptive to our situation ... our daughter, 9 at the time, had never been given a naming ceremony nor did she actually have a Hebrew name ...

We let her choose her name herself, selecting three (she has three "American" names so she took three Hebrew names as well, this will be one long bat mitzvah, LOL) that had meaning to her, and they had a special ceremony on the bimah during Hebrew school so that all of her classmates could [...] 482 116 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6022] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 14050_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU28_Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:05:39 EST297_- Dear Bernie, Robin and Friends,

Mazal Tov to you and all who are parents of new-borns, I hasten to respond as a new saba - our grand-daughter is the first sabra in both families for 2000 years. This is a whole new adventure and every birth and child I see is beautiful and special!! [...] 599 89 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6024] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 14070_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU28_Wed, 7 Mar 2001 02:49:45 EST559_- Dear Lisa and Friends,

Thanks for the supplement. There are a variety of "ceremonies" and activities which have been created to facilitate Jewish children having a Jewish name, ceremonies which can certainly take place as you have described.

I've always urged an early naming - as soon as parents and those whom they wish to have join them - but not out of superstition. However, since a Jewish name is not needed unless for ritual purposes, eg. a MiSheBerakh or for use in a religious school environment, it can be delayed without harm. [...] 689 51 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6025] Re: Purim costume14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net28_Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:46:26 EST589_- In article <983540778scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman wrote: >Well Friends, > >I did it. I made my costume for Purim. As you may recall, I am due to >have a baby in just a few weeks. My husband and I like to dress us and = our >daughter in related costumes. This year was particularly challenging >because of my burgeoning belly. Some of you may remember the discussion >that went on on this list regarding costumes for VERY pregnant women. >Adelle submitted the "facetious idea" of going as a pregnant chad. = That's >exactly what I did. =20 [...] 741 48 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6026] My son...the comedian7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:06:18 EST450_- Last year, my oldest son decided to wear a Darth Vader mask and cowboy hat for Purim and went as Darth Brooks.

This year, at the last minute, he insisted on a bird mask. He was quite insistent and we ended up buying a cheap plastic "zorro" style mask and a bag of feathers at a craft store and making one. All night long he walked around in the mask, refusing to take off his coat. Finally, I asked: Ches, why did you want a bird mask? [...] 790 57 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6027] Conversion for baby15_Marilyn and Bob19_rbob1@ix.netcom.com29_Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:05:32 EST497_- I hope that you consider this a parenting issue...because I do not know = how to deal with this. I am Jewish and my husband is Catholic. I belong to a conservative synogogue (just me). My husband and I adopted a baby who is now 4.5 months old and we want to convert her to Judaism. We met with the rabbi on January 18 of this year to discuss this and he seemed quite = willing to do this. We spent about an hour with him and even spent a long time discussing names for the baby. He told us [...] 848 54 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6028] hair in his eyes10_vyxter s-f14_revsf@kiva.net29_Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:08:51 EST541_- [[ This message was both posted and mailed: see the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]

my darling husband and i had not planned on waiting to cut our son's hair until his third birthday, and we actually did trim his hair once or twice. then a few months ago my DH suddenly decided he wanted to wait until Raziel turned three until we give the boy his next haircut (is this called upshernish?) this is okay with me, but Razi is only 16 months old and his hair is already really getting in his eyes. it doesn't [...] 903 66 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6029] Re: hair in his eyes15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:25:32 EST578_- In article <120320011047284681%revsf@kiva.net>, vyxter s-f wrote:

>[[ This message was both posted and mailed: see > the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]] > > my darling husband and i had not planned on waiting to cut our >son's hair until his third birthday, and we actually did trim his hair >once or twice. then a few months ago my DH suddenly decided he wanted >to wait until Raziel turned three until we give the boy his next >haircut (is this called upshernish?) > this is okay with me, but Razi is only 16 months old and [...] 970 80 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6030] Re: Conversion for baby4_DRUM17_evad@voicenet.com29_Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:23:15 EST544_-

Marilyn and Bob wrote in message news:98bc71$e2b$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... > I hope that you consider this a parenting issue...because I do not know = > how > to deal with this. I am Jewish and my husband is Catholic. I belong to a > conservative synogogue (just me). My husband and I adopted a baby who is > now 4.5 months old and we want to convert her to Judaism. We met with the > rabbi on January 18 of this year to discuss this and he seemed quite = > willing > to do this. We spent about an hour [...] 1051 31 62_[SCJ-PARENTING:6033] Baby naming prayers for daughter's naming8_Ron Shir34_ron.shir.remove_this_part@home.com29_Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:54:46 EST486_- Could people send us meaningful prayers they have used or experienced in little girls' baby namings? We are putting together our daughter's = ceremony and can't find much content. Many thanks! Amy and Ron



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1083 70 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6034] Re: Conversion for baby6_Jfer P17_j3fer@hotmail.com29_Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:01:54 EST381_- Marilyn wrote:

>Does this rabbi sound like he is actually going to follow through or =3D should I make other arrangements?

I think you need the "Psychic Friends Hotline" to answer that one!! :-)

But seriously, it sounds like he's not doing a workmanlike job and = following=20 up, which is surprising but not unheard-of. "Making other arrangements"=20= [...] 1154 53 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6035] Re: Conversion for baby15_Marilyn and Bob19_rbob1@ix.netcom.com29_Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:10:53 EST529_- Thanks to everyone who wrote to me...either directly or posted to the newsgroup. I called the rabbi's office on Monday (he was out for the day because he teaches on Mondays). I told his secretary that she should tell him that I was very disappointed that the arrangements had not been made yet. Later in the day there was a voice mail from him (it was not the nicest, I should say) but he said that there were no problems on his side with the conversion, wanted to know if I had any issues and then said that these things [...] 1208 90 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6037] Re: Conversion for baby6_CRMpro22_eisens@tampabay.rr.com29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:56:46 EST600_- Good for you. These things may indeed take awhile to organize, but the Rabbi owed you the courtesy of keeping you up to date.



"Marilyn and Bob" wrote in message news:98rqk5$qgp$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > Thanks to everyone who wrote to me...either directly or posted to the > newsgroup. I called the rabbi's office on Monday (he was out for the day > because he teaches on Mondays). I told his secretary that she should tell > him that I was very disappointed that the arrangements had not been made > yet. Later in the day there was a voice mail from [...] 1299 68 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:6038] Teaching our children about Xianity?14_Elisabeth Riba19_lis@osmond-riba.org29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:57:55 EST400_- I'm creating this threat as a tangent from something I posted in soc.culture.jewish.moderated about when to teach children about Xianity. I thought it would be an interesting topic for this group. What have you done (if anything) and/or what do you intend to and why?

[For anyone who wants to look up the thread in groups.google.com, the subject was "Your Day School Dollars at Work!"] [...] 1368 43 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:6039] Re: Conversion for baby9_BBWMinors17_bbwminors@aol.com29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:05:58 EST253_- I have no idea where you live or whether there are other congregations nearby,or even why you chose the one you are at ... but I do have to put in my own two cents (or two zuzim I suppose, LOL) that this whole situation gives me a hinky vibe ... [...] 1412 35 47_[SCJ-PARENTING:6040] Pesach: Dough For Playing?0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:06:31 EST510_- Hi!

My son has taken a great liking for playing with the dough that is made from flour, oil, water and salt (similar to Playdough). I was wondering if anyone had a recipe for a non-chametz version.

Thank you, Ilene



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1448 45 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:6041] Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?13_Jonathan Katz27_jkatz@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:08:09 EST565_- Hi, I have a very sociable 15 year old son who is looking for something to do this summer. He spent 6th grade in Jerusalem, in a religious public school but now finds his Hebrew is getting rusty. Our first idea was that he go to Brandeis and study Hebrew in their summer program, but Brandeis no longer allows the High School students to do this. Does anyone know of summer Hebrew programs for High School students (not for beginners)? We rejected the usual ``spend a summer in Israel'' programs, as listed in eg the Israel Experience brochure, because they [...] 1494 68 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:6042] Hair in his eyes6_Jfer P17_j3fer@hotmail.com29_Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:17:07 EST551_- Somebody (next time, use your name so we know who you are!) wrote:

>how do other parents of long-haired toddler boys deal with the >hair-in-his-eyes issue?

Yes, the custom you're talking about -- cutting a boy's hair when he turns 3 -- is called "upsherin" or "upsherinish", and though it's traditionally most common in Chassidic circles, is become more popular elsewhere as well. I decided to do it for my son because a) boys with long hair are exceedingly cute and b) my family's background was Chassidic (yes, in that order!). [...] 1563 91 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6043] Re: hair in his eyes27_Jonathan and Leonora Samuel16_email@addr.below29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:07:44 EST373_- Presumable Sampson's mother had the same difficulty. Raziel is a really great Kabbalistic name.

I don't have any personal experience of managing the hair problem, - but don't girls have the same issues? Once its long enough you can tie it back.

I think that other people's under-threes with long hair look really cute. (I like old english sheep dogs). [...] 1655 89 66_[SCJ-PARENTING:6044] Re: Baby naming prayers for daughter's naming27_Jonathan and Leonora Samuel16_email@addr.below29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:07:53 EST445_- In the Book of Prayer of the Spanish & Portuguese Congregation (London) Vol I Daily & Occasional Prayers, there is a short ceremony "for the naming of a daughter"



It starts with what I think is a quote from "The Song of Songs":

"O my dove that art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice: for sweet is thy voice and thy countenance is comely" [...] 1745 47 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6045] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:34:22 EST308_-

> I'm creating this threat as a tangent from something I posted in > soc.culture.jewish.moderated about when to teach children about Xianity. > I thought it would be an interesting topic for this group. What have you > done (if anything) and/or what do you intend to and why?

And when? [...] 1793 155 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6046] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?13_Judith Gordon18_Judith011@home.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:05:11 EST307_- Elisabeth Riba wrote: > > I'm creating this thread as a tangent from something I posted in > soc.culture.jewish.moderated about when to teach children about Xianity. > I thought it would be an interesting topic for this group. What have you > done (if anything) and/or what do you intend to and why? [...] 1949 44 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6047] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?14_Elisabeth Riba19_lis@osmond-riba.org29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:10:39 EST270_- Judith Gordon wrote: > My son at age 12 or so ... > He silently invoked the Kol Nidre paryer to himself, found > JC on the spot, praised the lord, gave them a false name and telephone > number and as he put it "got the hell out of there".=20 [...] 1994 62 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6048] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:08:59 EST494_- In article <990ede$dbt$1@news.panix.com>, Elisabeth Riba wrote:

>I'm creating this threat as a tangent from something I posted in >soc.culture.jewish.moderated about when to teach children about Xianity. >I thought it would be an interesting topic for this group. What have you >done (if anything) and/or what do you intend to and why? > >[For anyone who wants to look up the thread in groups.google.com, the >subject was "Your Day School Dollars at Work!"] [...] 2057 37 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6050] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 14160_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:27:52 EST569_- Hi!

Judith wrote in SCJ-PARENTING Digest 1416, "My eldest had anticult training in his Jewish dayschool and knew his Judiasm as well as his Christianity. "

What is involved in anticult training? And what can a parent do at home as anticult training?

Thank you, Ilene



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 2095 73 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6051] Re: Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:30:06 EST457_-

Many years ago, there were programs where one could volunteer on a Kibbutz.

Pros:

The cost was just airfare, as the volunteers got room and board in return for work.

Many opportunities to practice conversational Hebrew.

A very different experience from a tour.

Cons:

Persistence required, as many Israelis would rather practice their English, and the other volunteers will most likely speak English. [...] 2169 37 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6052] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?14_Elisabeth Riba19_lis@osmond-riba.org29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:17:30 EST265_- Elisabeth Riba wrote: > I'm creating this threat as a tangent from something I posted in ^^^^^^ I just noticed; this should've been THREAD. No threats intended. :) [Boy, sometimes one letter really can change the meaning drastically]

2207 81 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6053] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 141613_Judith Gordon18_Judith011@home.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:12:10 EST293_- I'm not 100% sure of this as the school had someone come in and do a program for the kids through Jews for Judaism. I think it was the pet project of one of their rabbis. The sessions on a similar theme that I have attended last about an hour followed by a question and answer session. [...] 2289 51 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6055] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?13_Judith Gordon18_Judith011@home.com29_Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:23:57 EST526_- I can't really take the credit for that one. It was the day school and the rabbi in shul he went to every Saturday (and other days) for years. I simply can't recommend day school and regular shul attendance enough.

Judith

Elisabeth Riba wrote: > > Judith Gordon wrote: > > My son at age 12 or so ... > > He silently invoked the Kol Nidre paryer to himself, found > > JC on the spot, praised the lord, gave them a false name and telephone > > number and as he put it "got the hell out [...] 2341 35 77_[SCJ-PARENTING:6056] RE: Aliza Fischman (a frequent contributor to the group)2_cw10_cw@rcn.com29_Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:31:28 EST477_- Aliza,

My son came home from your F-I-L's yeshiva and said that he was a grandfather again. A mazel tov to you and your family, and I hope mother and baby are doing fine.

CW





============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 2377 111 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6057] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:33:08 EST526_- > And when? > > I have thought about this a bit myself. I am fairly sure that Gidi thinks > the entire world is Jewish--not because we live in Teaneck (our town is > only about 30% Jewish ;) but because it just hasn't come up. We have > folks over for Shabbat and our holidays, do 'Jewish activities' with other > Jewish toddlers, and tend to share a lot of our holidays with non-Jewish > friends. His day care provider is a Muslim and certainly doesn't do > Christmas stuff, he's not in a public school...hence I just [...] 2489 45 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6058] Re: Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:13:38 EST536_- In article <995att$moa$1@news.btv.ibm.com>, kgold@watson.ibm.com (kgold) wrote:

>Many years ago, there were programs where one could volunteer on a >Kibbutz. > >Pros: > >The cost was just airfare, as the volunteers got room and board in >return for work. > >Many opportunities to practice conversational Hebrew. >

At least when I was younger, many kibbutzim also had Ulpans, where the students worked half a day for their room, board, and tuition. One half a day was for beginners, the other was an advanced class. [...] 2535 71 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6061] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:43:34 EST346_-

Marjorie writes:

> My kids weren't really aware of the fact that the whole > world wasn't Jewish until they were about 5.

Did you feel it was more of a shock because it was delayed? (Is that delayed?) On the other hand, my sense is that there's not much a 2-year-old=20 NEEDS to know about comparative religions yet. [...] 2607 31 29_[SCJ-PARENTING:6062] Penpals?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:49:04 EST531_- My 1st grade daughter is just dying to have a penpal to email with. Does anyone know any good sites, or know a 6-7yr old girl that would be interested in corresponding? Of course I think a Jewish penpal would be extra nice (shared experience, etc) - Blanche

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 2639 44 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6063] Re: Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:49:39 EST319_- >Our >first idea was that he go to Brandeis and study Hebrew in their >summer program, but Brandeis no longer allows the High School >students to do this.

If you are in the Boston area, since you mention Brandeis, have you tried looking into the Ulpan classes or Prozdor program at Hebrew College in Brookline? 2684 53 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6064] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?12_Brown Family19_lbrown2@bigpond.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:49:59 EST583_- On 19 Mar 2001 16:05:04 -0000, Judith Gordon wrote:

>My kids are 19 1/2, 16 1/2 and 14 1/2. I never consciously taught them >anything about Christianity at first. I had been raised Christian, >converted, found I was a Jew by birth long after the conversion, and my >kids were being exposed to Christianity by my family, or so I thought. >Two experiences with my daughter and one with me son taught me otherwise >and I too firmly believe we need to teach our children about "them". > After reading your very funny post, I think your children's time [...] 2738 102 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6065] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?12_maxine in ri20_weedfam@hotmail.coma29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:32:48 EST371_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: > > Marjorie writes: > > > My kids weren't really aware of the fact that the whole > > world wasn't Jewish until they were about 5. > > Did you feel it was more of a shock because it was delayed? > (Is that delayed?) > On the other hand, my sense is that there's not much a 2-year-old=20 > NEEDS to know about comparative religions yet. [...] 2841 82 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:6066] passover supplement for your family16_barry dov lerner18_bdlerner1@home.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:54:42 EST432_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CBA0AE14BC8D8A388004CE26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



"Dear Friends,

For many years I've collected materials which enhance Passover preparations and the Seder as a family experience, one filled with simcha and joy and warmth. I've shared them in the past with my own family and with congregants. [...] 2924 33 71_[SCJ-PARENTING:6067] Free Passover Survival Kits to un"bore" your seder0_16_Jlftobey@aol.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:21:11 EST399_- Check out www.learnjudaism.org for FREE Passover Survival Kits by Shimon Apisdorf. This book has been a tremendous boon to making the holiday and seder enjoyable for the entire family. There are a limited number, so get one soon! There's a haggadah with an easy-to-understand translation and commentary woven into the text and questions for the kids. It's the best for un-boring your seders! [...] 2958 40 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6068] Re: Penpals?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:41:39 EST373_- In article <20010321215416.22097.00000446@ng-fc1.aol.com>, splanche@aol.com (Splanche) wrote:

>My 1st grade daughter is just dying to have a penpal to email with. Does anyone >know any good sites, or know a 6-7yr old girl that would be interested in >corresponding? >Of course I think a Jewish penpal would be extra nice (shared experience, etc) >- Blanche > [...] 2999 44 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6069] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:34:07 EST629_- In article <200103191349.IAA27739@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:

>> I'm creating this threat as a tangent from something I posted in >> soc.culture.jewish.moderated about when to teach children about Xianity. >> I thought it would be an interesting topic for this group. What have you >> done (if anything) and/or what do you intend to and why? > >And when? > >I have thought about this a bit myself. I am fairly sure that Gidi thinks >the entire world is Jewish--not because we live in Teaneck (our town is >only about 30% Jewish ;) but because it just hasn't come [...] 3044 60 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6070] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 141616_vivienne josephs18_josephs@xtra.co.nz29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:35:18 EST300_- When my son was small, we lived too far from the Jewish kindergarten for him to attend, so we sent him to the local pre school when he was three. The Xmas story had never come into discussions before, until the teachers told me that afternoon about Daniel's explanation on the three wise men. [...] 3105 49 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6071] Re: Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:36:42 EST277_-

I did an uplan, and it was a great experience. It was harder, an 8 hour day instead of 6 hours, plus homework, but worth it.

When I did it, an ulpan required a 6 month stay, and the original poster asked about a summer vacation. I wonder if it's changed. [...] 3155 44 29_[SCJ-PARENTING:6072] New baby14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:45:04 EST486_- Hello Friends,

Just wanted to let you know that we welcomed our 2nd daughter to the world this past Monday. We will, B'ezrat Hashem, name her tomorrow morning. You can see some quick photos at http://www.alluregraphics.com/baby/baby.htm The whole family is doing, Baruch Hashem, very well.

Be well, Aliza (& Aharon)



==================================================================== Aliza Fischman fisch.chips@att.net http://www.alluregraphics.com [...] 3200 80 70_[SCJ-PARENTING:6073] Froggy in the Bulrushes - Food Art for Your Seder0_37_lynne.a.fitzsimmons@exgate.tek.com=2029_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:11:56 EST585_- Enjoyed by children of all ages :-) As an added bonus, makes for a lower-cholesterol pre festive meal munchie...

Picture a frog, constructed from an avocado, surrounded by lettuce, with carrot and celery sticks scattered around, some topped with black olives (bulrushes). And, "floating" all around the frog are the bulrush babies - small hardboiled eggs sliced lengthwise, with the yolk replaced with a fishlet, with little eyes painted on the fishlet with red horseradish. = You can also make waterlilies with radishes, jicama and carrot slices. = Without further ado: [...] 3281 53 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6074] Re: Hebrew classes for Teen this summer?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:23:56 EST355_- In article <998hbd$hf6$1@news.btv.ibm.com>, kgold@watson.ibm.com (kgold) wrote:

>I did an uplan, and it was a great experience. It was harder, >an 8 hour day instead of 6 hours, plus homework, but worth it. > >When I did it, an ulpan required a 6 month stay, and the original >poster asked about a summer vacation. I wonder if it's changed. [...] 3335 62 89_[SCJ-PARENTING:6075] Involving my kids (Was: Free Passover Survival Kits to un"bore" your7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:13:13 EST588_- >This book has been a tremendous boon to making the holiday and >seder enjoyable for the entire family.

Actually, there are large numbers of websites, books and information out there to help people. For example at ShalomBoston (www.ShalomBoston.com) there are articles from one of the local Jewish bookstores with references to books and kits available to help make the seder more interesting for children. There is an article of links to other websites (such as Aish, www.aish.com) that are oriented to helping children learn and understand Jewish cultures and traditions. [...] 3398 43 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:6076] Re: Pesach: Dough For Playing?7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:13:48 EST265_- >I was wondering if >anyone had a recipe for a non-chametz version. >

I don't know if my stuff is making it to the group (server problems), but you might want to try this link for Passover crafts:

http://www.chadiscrafts.nu/fun/passover.html

3442 187 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6078] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:09:27 EST352_-

"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200103201858.NAA28762@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > Marjorie writes: > > > My kids weren't really aware of the fact that the whole > > world wasn't Jewish until they were about 5. > > Did you feel it was more of a shock because it was delayed? > (Is that delayed?) [...] 3630 59 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6079] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 14210_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:07:05 EST348_- Dear Friends,

An update on the project to enhance the involvement of parents and children (and grandparents and friends and others) at your Passover celebrations:

I am delighted to respond to so many for copies of the free Passover and Seder Supplement and will continue to respond as promptly as possible with the attachment. [...] 3690 46 34_[SCJ-PARENTING:6080] breastfeeding0_18_MPtSchmidt@aol.com29_Sun, 25 Mar 2001 00:33:53 EST379_- I am researching a class assignment on ethnicity and breastfeeding practices for ethnic / cultural groups in my area.

There are large congregations of orthodox jewish women in my area and I would like to be able to use facts not half-facts. I am not jewish and at present have had limited contact with women who claim to be active in their Jewish faith or culture. [...] 3737 30 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:6081] Re: New baby14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:25:51 EST404_- In article <985184306scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman wrote: >Hello Friends, > >Just wanted to let you know that we welcomed our 2nd daughter to the world >this past Monday. We will, B'ezrat Hashem, name her tomorrow morning. You >can see some quick photos at http://www.alluregraphics.com/baby/baby.htm >The whole family is doing, Baruch Hashem, very well. [...] 3768 56 27_[SCJ-PARENTING:6083] Babies14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:37:43 EST419_-

>Congrats Aliza!!!!! Enjoy her! > >Hope you don't mind me sharing your thread, but we had our baby this >week as well! For us, another son as we had expected, but quite early >enough to avoid the dreaded Pesach bris :) All is well with us as well. >In English he will be called Evan Aaron; Hebrew name TBA at the bris. >He was born Thursday just before sundown, weighing 7lb 14oz, 19.5" long. > >--Robyn [...] 3825 84 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6084] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?4_DRUM17_evad@voicenet.com29_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:36:32 EST478_-

The most popular refrain was, "How come they don't > have Hanukkah shows?"

They have a few, now. None will probably ever achieve the "status" of Frosty, Rudolph and The Year Without A Santa Clause....and I confess that = I loved those shows as a child and feel nostalgic because I want to share = them with my kids...but what frame of reference do they have for it? Though we share xmas with my family, who are xian, we don't "DO" santa or the elves, etc. [...] 3910 31 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:6085] seder games4_DRUM17_evad@voicenet.com29_Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:40:31 EST608_- Anything fun you do to make the seder palatable for the kiddies? And adults??? :)

Megan



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My father started a great custom in our family. He (and now I) go out to an inexpensive toy shop and buy all sorts of seder related items. Jewelry to represent the gold the jews left with. The plagues are fairly easy to find stuff for. During the seder it gets handed out at the appropriate times and the kids love getting all the different things. Bugs, balls , crowns, sunglasses, etc. most of the aduls enjoy it as well. [...] 3977 31 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:6090] Passover resource0_15_BKadden@aol.com29_Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:17:07 EST654_- A public thank you to Rabbi Barry Dov Lerner on his collection of Passover resource materials. It is wonderful!

Thanks, Barbara Binder Kadden

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 4009 58 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6091] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287918_jones@cs.uiowa.edu29_Wed, 28 Mar 2001 03:18:13 EST646_- >From article , by "DRUM" : > > The most popular refrain was, "How come they don't >> have Hanukkah shows?" > > They have a few, now. None will probably ever achieve the "status" of > Frosty, Rudolph and The Year Without A Santa Clause...

Sadly, we indeed have an occasional Hanukkah show, but it's far more significant that there's a Rugrats Passover show. The problem with Hanukkah shows is that they reinforce the very misleading idea that an acknowledgement of that festival is the right way to introduce "ethnic diversity" to counter the drumbeat of a pervasive Christmas [...] 4068 50 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6092] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 28 Mar 2001 12:58:40 EST438_- In article <99qfmk$jqu$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu>, jones@cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) wrote:

>That said, I really do agree that, by the time kids graduate from >highschool, they ought to read at least one of the Gospels, and they >ought to read the book of Revelations also -- without having read >those, how can we expect kids to recognize the Christian references >that pervade our culture? [...] 4119 74 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6094] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 142620_Wendy & Larry Darrow17_ldarrow@flash.net29_Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:29:15 EST547_- In our family, most of our kids are really little (18 months to 9) and don't really understand "how" to steal and hide the Afikomen from each other.

So, to make it more fun for them, an adult decides where to hide the Afikomen and then using index cards, writes the location of where the Afikomen is hidden on the index cards, one letter per card. For example, if we hide it in the china cabinet, we would use 12 cards and write one letter per card C-H-I-N-A-C-A-B-I-N-E-T. Then we hide each of the cards in different places and let [...] 4194 47 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:6096] SCJ-PARENTING digest 142614_max_weisenfeld29_Max_Weisenfeld@compuserve.com29_Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:38:19 EST427_- Message text written by INTERNET:scj-parenting@shamash.org > Anything fun you do to make the seder palatable for the kiddies? And adults??? :)

Megan<

1) We sing. A lot. Mostly led by the kids. Songs they learn in preschool and religious school, inserted wherever they fit.

2) We act out the four sons.

3) The toy idea posted yesterday, made up into "plague bags," are available commercially. [...] 4242 55 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:6098] FREE Passover supplement - no limits0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:42:24 EST336_- Dear Hevreh,

If anyone receives in digest form or can't open Word downloads, there is now a PDF of the latest and final version of the 50+ pages done by Shamash.org.

It will be up on my son's web site soon, in PDF, and perhaps also on the Seminary's web site as well. I've written Shamash for their site as can you [...] 4298 71 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6099] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:03:28 EST563_- I find it really amusing that so much of the Xtian holiday kiddie-goodies = have koshrut supervision. Can you imagine some highly-respectable bearded = gent, overseing the chocolate bunny assembly line to making sure that = noting treif gets in by mistake? =20 I have mixed feelings about Easter candy. On the one hand, if it's = kosher, why shouldn't my kids get to enjoy it? But on the other hand, the = symbols of bunnies and eggs derive from rebirth (as in ressurrection) and = I don't want my kids to take these symbols for granted. So the compromise [...] 4370 69 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:6100] Looking for some perspective13_Adelle Stavis26_adelle@nospam.mediaone.net29_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:04:37 EST470_- Hi, Everyone,

Passover is fast approaching, and an issue has come up which has me wondering whether to keep Pesach this year.

My 3 year old son, Ian, was seen at a Failure to Thrive Clinic Monday as his growth has significantly slowed down for the past year. His weight is not in a danger zone, but is low enough that losing a couple of pounds, which happened recently because of a virus, made him look anorexic. [He has since regained the weight.] [...] 4440 69 66_[SCJ-PARENTING:6101] Re: Baby naming prayers for daughter's naming14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:08:02 EST460_- In article , Ron Shir wrote: >Could people send us meaningful prayers they have used or experienced in >little girls' baby namings? We are putting together our daughter's = >ceremony >and can't find much content. Many thanks! Amy and Ron

The New Jewish Baby Book but Anita Diamant has several possibilities. (The book is written from a Reform perspective, fwiw.) [...] 4510 56 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:6102] Re: Looking for some perspective12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:46:05 EST343_- Adelle, what a dilemma! But I think you answered the question yourself:

> Any other year, I'd be inclined to say a week of eating only matza and > yogurt won't hurt him. This year, when we are trying to modify his > behavior and trying to keep his weight curve from dropping off the > chart, I'm not sure I can be that detached. [...] 4567 128 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:6103] Re: Looking for some perspective39_Rebecca Swartz(formerly, a little bird)25_rswartz@students.uiuc.edu29_Fri, 30 Mar 2001 00:34:12 EST254_- Oh... I just saw what you said about not having a LOR or a LCR. Try calling the regional office you live in, for the Rabbinic assembly, or the OU. Maybe someone will be willing to talk to you on the phone, and this may help to settle your nerves. [...] 4696 139 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:6106] Re: Looking for some perspective15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:34:40 EST538_- Adelle, this is a tough one. My kids are very fussy eaters too, one with = a possible S/I issue, though mine are not underweight. =20 If I understand correctly the health issue would affect your son's = appearance, but the doctor has not indicated that it would be dangerous to = his overall well being. =20 If it were me, I'd keep Passover and try to approximate the types of foods = he eats with Passover food, such as Pesach noodles with cheese, cashew = butter with jelly, and fish breaded with matzoh meal and fried. He may = [...] 4836 131 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:6107] Re: Looking for some perspective4_DRUM17_evad@voicenet.com29_Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:10:45 EST303_- Adelle;

I think the most important thing for you to do is to take care of your son's health. As another poster responded, your son is too young to understand about corn syrup and pasta restrictions when we're just not supposed to eat bread! LOL Frankly, I don't quite get that, myself. :) [...] 4968 32 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:6108] Re: perspective0_15_Chana34@aol.com29_Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:04:42 EST515_- Isn't there something about not endangering your health? Doesn't that over-ride other expectations and rules? I haven't fasted for years because I've either been pregnant or nursing, and I just can't go that long without eating.

Caryn

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 5001 105 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:6109] Re: Looking for some perspective15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:06:16 EST420_- In article <00ca01c0b7d9$1edf22a0$2c188018@ne.mediaone.net>, "Adelle Stavis" wrote:

>Hi, Everyone, > >Passover is fast approaching, and an issue has come up which has me >wondering whether to keep Pesach this year.

I know you go on to qualify this, but put baldly there doesn't seem to be a question - of course you keep Pesach, whatever accomodations you have to make. [...] 5107 67 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:6112] Re: Teaching our children about Xianity?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:17:56 EST440_- In article , "Irene Bleiweiss" wrote:

>I find it really amusing that so much of the Xtian holiday kiddie-goodies = >have koshrut supervision. Can you imagine some highly-respectable bearded = >gent, overseing the chocolate bunny assembly line to making sure that = >noting treif gets in by mistake?

This comes up a lot, but there are several good reasons why this should be so: [...] 5175 65 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:6113] Keeping Pesach and FTT0_25_maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu29_Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:21:56 EST560_-

First of all, I have to say upfront that this is your decision and only you can make the trade-offs between your comfort level with religious observance and your comfort level in having your child eat familiar foods. That being said, I have 2 observations: (1) you clearly have a strong need to observe Pesach, or you would not be asking the question and (2) you have, over a great number of years, catered to your child's picky tastes. I have opinions on both of these topics, but frankly, what I think isn't the point. It's what you think and [...] 5241 42 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:6114] perspective0_16_STEINMOS@aol.com29_Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:23:00 EST502_-

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The health of your child seems to be the most important issue. I have always been taught, and know intuitively, that Hashem wants us to put health first. In the extreme example of those in concentration camps, they knew that it was right to eat to maintain their strength even during Pesach. May Hashem bless you and your child with strength and health and growth. [...] 5284 39 31_[SCJ-PARENTING:6115] Re: Babies14_Robyn Kozierok25_robynk@nautilus.shore.net29_Sat, 31 Mar 2001 18:35:40 EST423_- In article <985616026scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman wrote:

>We have named our daughter Leora Bracha. She and her big sister (and their >parents) are doing great!

Mazal tov, and what a beautiful name!

Evan had his bris Thursday, and was given the Hebrew name Aryeh Chaim. He is healing well, and we are all settling nicely into our life as a family of 5. [...]