1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting February 2001 2 38 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5956] Re: source for tzniut nursing shirts?12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:09:57 EST559_- > Any nursing (or formerly-nursing) mothers out there who know > where I can find nursing shirts that have long sleeves and > high (covering the collarbone--this is the challenging part) > necklines?

I buy a lot of shells that have a high neck (jewel neckline or turtleneck) but are usually sleeveless, to go under suit jackets. For warm weather, why not buy those and layer with a light-weight cotton blouse? The shells are easy to pull up for nursing, and a large blouse would allow you to wrap it around you and your baby for modest nursing. [...] 41 66 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5957] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?7_Larry R17_futures@primus.ca28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:46:06 EST846_- Send money. "DRUM" wrote in message news:VAXd6.2049$9z6.27139@news3.voicenet.com... > Got one of each coming up -- Orthodox family. What's a good gift? An > appropriate gift? > > I've never been to any Bar/Bat Mitzvah before. > > Thanks > > Megan > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D =3D=3D > This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. > Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent > authorities in those fields. > > ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. > Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show [...] 108 45 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5958] Re: only in a kosher home15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:50:41 EST555_- In article <3A778B59.C3D75390@home.com>, Judith Gordon wrote:

> >I was upset, true but that was to be expected. What was not expected was >that my nineteen year old was even more upset than I was! In fact he was >so upset he got physically ill and ran into the bathroom to throw up. > >I couldn't figure out what his problem was, as I know he eats nonkosher >outside the home. But the nineteen year old told me in no uncertain >terms the fact that I keep kosher in and out of the house means >everything to him and he's [...] 154 44 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5959] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:05:26 EST322_- Money. You can never go wrong with that. Give $18 or in multiples of $18 as that is considered good luck. You can pick up a tasteful card and tuck in a cheque and the family will be grateful. Having been through it all I can tell you, you could not even begin to imagine some of the lunatic things we got as gifts. [...] 199 82 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5960] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?0_12_ari@wynn.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:51:52 EST727_- Many parents like the versatility of Gift Certificates in Jewish stores, such as book, judaica etc. This gives the receipient the freedom to choose what they like, but avoids the squandering of the money on nonesense.

Good luck

Ari Sputz ari@wynn.com



In article , "DRUM" wrote: > Got one of each coming up -- Orthodox family. What's a good gift? An > appropriate gift? > > I've never been to any Bar/Bat Mitzvah before. > > Thanks > > Megan > > ============================================================================== > This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. > Posters seeking medical [...] 282 56 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5962] Re: only in a kosher home14_Elisabeth Riba19_lis@osmond-riba.org28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:19:17 EST392_- Beth Katcher wrote: > I don't remember how my parents taught me at the age of 2 or 3,

My mother tells me about one Passover when I was 3 or 4 years old. It was somebody's birthday at the pre-school I attended, and they had brought cake for the class. On the one hand, I *really* wanted cake. On the other hand, I knew it was Pesach, and cake wasn't allowed. [...] 339 38 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5963] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:20:30 EST524_- > Money... > you could not even begin to imagine some of the lunatic things we got > as gifts.

Yes, there are the lunatic gifts :-) but the non-monetary gifts chosen with care are definitely my favorites. For example, my daughter used to play the trumpet. While she is not particularly musical, she is very good at making loud noises on hard-to-blow instruments. Her best friend gave her a shofar as a gift and it was absolutely a perfect choice and something I hope my daughter will use for many, many years. [...] 378 231 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:5965] Kallah Class Preview0_17_Gabriel36@aol.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:46:07 EST678_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: This announced is being permitted on SCJP since there are several parenting-related sessions planned. Please address inquiries directly to the organizers. ****************************************

B"H February 1 8 Shevat

Shalom Hevre I am excited to give you all a sneak preview of the line-up of=20 classes/teachers for the 2001 ALEPH Kallah, "Beyond and Within: Illuminating= =20 G!dSparks in Our History and Our Lives." It will be held in DeKalb (about an= =20 hour and half west of Chicago) from July 2-8. We expect more than 800 people= =20 of all ages to gather to learn, pray, sing and dance [...] 610 30 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5966] bar mitzvah gift question8_JanetLDD16_janetldd@aol.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:00:53 EST434_- I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is filthy rich. they own a big department store chain in the city. what do you suggest. the child is orthodox

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JanetLDD wrote in message <20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com>... >I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is filthy rich. they own >a >big department store chain in the city. what do you suggest. the child is >orthodox

What does the family's personal wealth have to do with extending good wishes to the child? [...] 697 42 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5968] Re: source for tzniut nursing shirts?10_vyxter s-f14_revsf@kiva.net28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:26:21 EST455_- > ... where I can find nursing shirts that have long sleeves and > high (covering the collarbone--this is the challenging part) > necklines?

some (though not all) of what motherwear (www.motherwear.com) sells meets your description. i have a lovely turtleneck that i bought from them, for example.

i like motherwear because their clothes are good quality. i have one shirt from motherhood and will never buy anything from them again. [...] 740 76 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5969] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:26:24 EST361_-

"Beth Katcher" wrote in message news:3A786E18.3964F6B7@rcn.com... > > Got one of each coming up -- Orthodox family. What's a good gift? An > > appropriate gift? > > Books, luggage, jewelry, electronics, cash . . . I usually opt for > something of some permanence, hopefully tied to a strong interest of the > bar/bat mitzvah. [...] 817 75 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5970] Re: gifts at Bris?2_cw10_cw@rcn.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 03:31:10 EST435_- Splanche,

I had the same problem with my brother and SIL. Get a monogrammed diaper bag - you can't go wrong. Another suggestion - your local Hadassah chapter may sell baby blankets with the child's name embroidered into them. Inquire if these have a "no shatnez" fabric certification. Of course, if "DH" means "divorced husband," no one really expects anything from you at all. This gives you lots of price latitude! ;-) [...] 893 59 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5971] Re: bar mitzvah gift question10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:13:29 EST448_-

"Leah Adezio" wrote in message news:3a7a07fe_1@nntp2.nac.net... > > JanetLDD wrote in message <20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com>... > >I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is filthy rich. they own > >a > >big department store chain in the city. what do you suggest. the child is > >orthodox > > What does the family's personal wealth have to do with extending good wishes > to the child? [...] 953 43 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5972] Hagadah recommendations?5_Reesa13_reesa@usa.net28_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:15:34 EST520_- Hi,

Every year I ask this, and this year is like all other years;-} I'm looking for a simple, uncomplicated Hagadah that while being brief and easily understood, also will have complete instructions. My family is very un-observant about Jewish things (it's a coup for me to get a few of us together every year for Passover), and so we're also arguing about weren't we supposed to drink a glass of wine and when do we hide the afikomen. And maybe a picture of the Seder plat. Yeah, that would be nice, too. [...] 997 54 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5973] Re: bar mitzvah gift question13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:29:17 EST539_-

"JanetLDD" wrote in message news:20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com... > I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is filthy rich. they own > a > big department store chain in the city. what do you suggest. the child is > orthodox

Gifts which really fit the child's interest are remembered. If it's a big affair, the bar mitzvah boy will get so many cards w/checks inside that none will stand out. Anything purchased with his real likes in mind will contrast to the 'envelopes.' [...] 1052 42 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5974] Re: Haggadah selection16_Robin M. Shapiro24_robinms@mail.inetone.net28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:31:11 EST394_- Since you have a little time, you might look for a book called "Keeping Passover" by Ira Steingroot, if I remember correctly. It has a chapter that contains reviews of dozens -- possibly hundreds -- of haggadahs. There's one called "The Concise Family Seder" that you might want to look for -- all of the "required" elements are there, but it's not extremely long or full of commentary. [...] 1095 42 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5976] Re: Haggadah selection18_Kathe Izen-mondlak15_kimond@home.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:16:34 EST430_- I would highly recommend "The Art of Jewish Living - The Passover Seder" by Dr. Ron Wolfson. It gives lots of info about the hows and whys. I really enjoyed reading the interviews with families about their various practices and how they keep the seder fresh and interesting. Not that it isn't already, but year after year...a little innovation can only add to the celebration! You can order it here and it is even on sale! [...] 1138 38 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5978] re: Hagadah recommendations?14_max_weisenfeld29_Max_Weisenfeld@compuserve.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:12:10 EST597_- From: Reesa I'm looking for a simple, uncomplicated Hagadah that while being brief a= nd easily understood, also will have complete instructions. =



Try "A Family Haggadah: In Every Generation" by Shoshana Silberman pub Kar-Ben Copies, Rockvill, Md

Great for kids!

Max Weisenfeld

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In a message dated 2/3/01 11:06:35 PM, scj-parenting@shamash.org writes:

<< Every year I ask this, and this year is like all other years;-} I'm looking for a simple, uncomplicated Hagadah that while being brief and easily understood, also will have complete instructions. >>

I love the Santa Cruz Haggadah. Light hearted and complete. It is not abbreviated so you have to just pick and choose. I've never met an assimilated person that didn't enjoy it! Cindy Gabriel Boulder, Colorado [...] 1216 78 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5980] Re: bar mitzvah gift question11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:49:41 EST634_-

animzmirot wrote in message ... > >"Leah Adezio" wrote in message >news:3a7a07fe_1@nntp2.nac.net... >> >> JanetLDD wrote in message ><20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com>... >> >I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is >filthy rich. they own >> >a >> >big department store chain in the city. what do you >suggest. the child is >> >orthodox >> >> What does the family's personal wealth have to do with >extending good wishes >> to the child? > >Actually, quite a bit. We just attended a bar mitzvah of an >*extremely* wealthy child, and the gifts he got were >astounding. Trying [...] 1295 28 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5981] Re: Gifts for Bar and Bat Mitzvah?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 02:53:00 EST574_- I've always liked birthstone jewelry for the Bat Mitzvahs. - Blanche

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 1324 67 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5982] Re: bar mitzvah gift question10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:32:22 EST517_- .. Someone in this or another > similar thread suggested 3 X chai. Maybe I'm a curmudgeon, but I don't think > a kid needs that big a check.

You think that $56 is a BIG CHECK? Oh my! As I recently mentioned we were at the simcha of a fabulously wealthy young man not more than a few weeks back, and a bit after the event we were invited to dinner at the young man's house. The checks to be deposited were sitting on the kitchen counter. The accouting sheet was atop it. The average amount of the checks [...] 1392 36 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5983] Re: bar mitzvah gift question12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:21:37 EST454_- > You think that $56 is a BIG CHECK?

In my experience how much to spend on a gift is a function of many different variables: where you live, socio-economic range of family and friends, your relationship to the giftee, the nature of the occasion and associated reception or party, etc. I find that living in the Boston area, where there is still a lot of "Yankee frugality" (at least in my crowd), is very different from when I lived in NY. [...] 1429 51 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5984] Re: Hagadah recommendations?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:37:23 EST609_- In article <954o7tk67qram0b434tedabkoi02denpkb@4ax.com>, reesa@usa.net wrote:

>Hi, > >Every year I ask this, and this year is like all other years;-} I'm >looking for a simple, uncomplicated Hagadah that while being brief and >easily understood, also will have complete instructions. My family is >very un-observant about Jewish things (it's a coup for me to get a few >of us together every year for Passover), and so we're also arguing >about weren't we supposed to drink a glass of wine and when do we hide >the afikomen. And maybe a picture of the Seder plat. Yeah, that would >be nice, too. [...] 1481 75 79_[SCJ-PARENTING:5985] bar/bat mitzvah suggestions for the kid who has everything19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:33:13 EST578_-

While I think that nice Judaica is hard to beat (Chanukah menorot, havdalah sets, an etrog box, unusual kiddush cups, an afikomen bag, a monogrammed tefilin bag, jewelry, art), how about making a kit or a toolbox?

For someone with an interest in embroidery, say, a leaflet of Jewish designs and the materials to make them--fabric, needles, hoops, etc.--and a small gift certificate to the local craft shop so that thread of the right colors can be purchased. Put it in a pretty box and you're set. I gave one of my brothers a set like this at Chanukah and [...] 1557 66 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5986] Re: bar mitzvah gift question15_Elizabeth Levin24_levin@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:46:06 EST392_- animzmirot wrote:

> You think that $56 is a BIG CHECK? Oh my!

I know that for me, it would be.

> Now, I'm not saying that this is right (I don't think it is) > nor do I think it's normal, but the OP on this thread wanted > to know what a rich kid gets, and if they were to get a > check of less than triple chai I think they'd be astonished. [...] 1624 53 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5987] Re: Hagadah recommendations?11_Jenn Bernat16_jenn@zathras.net28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:07:47 EST533_- On 3 Feb 2001, Reesa wrote:

> Every year I ask this, and this year is like all other years;-} I'm > looking for a simple, uncomplicated Hagadah that while being brief and > easily understood, also will have complete instructions. My family is > very un-observant about Jewish things (it's a coup for me to get a few > of us together every year for Passover), and so we're also arguing > about weren't we supposed to drink a glass of wine and when do we hide > the afikomen. And maybe a picture of the Seder plat. Yeah, [...] 1678 68 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5988] b'nai mitzvah presents9_Dana Lear22_danalear@earthlink.net28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:54:35 EST609_-

>From: "animzmirot" >You think that $56 is a BIG CHECK? Oh my!

I found this incredibly offensive. For many of us, $56 IS a big check -=20 either because we can't afford it, or because we don't think a child=20 outside of the nuclear family needs that kind of present. I'm in the = midst=20 of the b'nai mitzvah season. Our students are divided into three groups = of=20 20; students are expected to attend their group's b'nai mitzvah. Twenty=20 times "only" $56...well, the math isn't difficult except for those who=20 haven't the money. We have gotten together so [...] 1747 57 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5990] source for handmade Judaica ideas19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 15:21:12 EST627_-

This is WRT the bart mitzvah (that's for those of us who get tired of typing bar/bat mitzvah) gift thread...

Check out "Jewish Holiday Style" by Rita Milos Brownstein or "Jewish Holiday Treats: Recipes and Crafts for the Whole Family" by Joan Zoloth.

Both authors style themselves "Jewish Martha Stewarts" (Brownstein comes a lot closer, and her book is aesthetically spectacular). Both books contain recipes and crafts, some of which are appropriate as family projects and some of which would make wonderful gifts. The books themselves would be terrific gifts for anyone who likes to make things. [...] 1805 80 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5991] Re: Haggadah selection10_L&R Felner20_lrfelner@netzero.net28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:27:42 EST618_- I would agree that the Consider Family Seder is one that a non-religious family looking to do the rituals with an explanation would enjoy using. I came across this hagaddah at my aunt's home a few years ago. They are nominal Jews in the ritual aspect and used this hagaddah at their seders. She bought it at Fortunoff's a few years ago and I suppose that one could find it online. leslie "Robin M. Shapiro" wrote in message news:XFMail.20010204002421.robinms@mail.inetone.net... > Since you have a little time, you might look for a book called "Keeping > Passover" by Ira Steingroot, [...] 1886 35 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5992] Re: source for handmade Judaica ideas15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:16:00 EST602_- In article <200102061838.NAA11115@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:

>This is WRT the bart mitzvah (that's for those of us who get tired of >typing bar/bat mitzvah) gift thread... >

I thought it was giving up your seat on San Francisco mass transit to a senior citizen.

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"Leah Adezio" wrote in message news:3a7d974d$1_2@nntp2.nac.net... > > animzmirot wrote in message ... > > > >"Leah Adezio" wrote in message > >news:3a7a07fe_1@nntp2.nac.net... > >> > >> JanetLDD wrote in message > ><20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com>... > >> >I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is > >filthy rich. they own > >> >a > >> >big department store chain in the city. what do you > >suggest. the child is > >> >orthodox > >> > >> What does the family's personal wealth have to do with > >extending good wishes > >> to the [...] 2087 59 29_[SCJ-PARENTING:5995] Haggadot0_25_maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 12:52:05 EST510_-

Sorry for posting without an intro, but this is actually an issue I've thought about a some length. I promise I'll post an intro soon.

I always made our own family Haggadah, borrowing this and that part I liked from many haggadot and adding a personal touch (even if you "borrow" everything, it's nice to have it all in one place and if you're shortening, it's nice to have the stuff you're not going to do not there, particularly if you have very small children and a very large seder). [...] 2147 121 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5996] Re: bar mitzvah gift question11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:08:54 EST640_-

animzmirot wrote in message ... > >"Leah Adezio" wrote in message >news:3a7d974d$1_2@nntp2.nac.net... >> >> animzmirot wrote in message ... >> > >> >"Leah Adezio" wrote in message >> >news:3a7a07fe_1@nntp2.nac.net... >> >> >> >> JanetLDD wrote in message >> ><20010201164414.24422.00000393@ng-ch1.aol.com>... >> >> >I need to buy a bar mitzvah gift for a family that is >> >filthy rich. they own >> >> >a >> >> >big department store chain in the city. what do you >> >suggest. the child is >> >> >orthodox >> >> >> >> What does the family's personal wealth have to do with >> >extending [...] 2269 34 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5997] Mets kippot????9_BBWMinors17_bbwminors@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:35:13 EST348_- I'm wondering if anyone can help me out here ... I have seen some custom-made kippot bearing logos of sports teams and am trying to find one for the New York Mets as a gift but can't seem to track it down (I'm sure being based in Washington DC doesn't help but am not even finding one online). Does anyone know a place that sells these????? [...] 2304 66 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5998] Mets kippot????15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:10:25 EST325_- You asked about finding this in the Washington, D.C. area. If anyone in = the area could help it would be the Jewish Bookstore (formerly Abe's) in = Wheaton, Maryland. I know they carry a wide variety of novelty kippot, = but don't know if they have sports teams. Maybe they could special order = from their supplier? [...] 2371 56 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5999] Re: bar mitzvah gift question14_Elisabeth Riba19_lis@osmond-riba.org28_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:33:10 EST294_- Leah Adezio wrote: > At any rate, give the young man something you think he'd enjoy or has > religious significance -- I often give a door mezuzah, with the idea that > the bar/bat mitzvah child has something to keep for when they grow up and > have their first home. [...] 2428 41 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6000] Re: bar mitzvah gift question11_Lisa Hertel13_lisa@thor.com28_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:38:47 EST418_- animzmirot wrote: > when a kid is wealthy and has everything > under the sun it is harder to make YOUR gift stand out.

I think, perhaps, it's best to look back at your own life and see what's stood out for you. For example, my copy of _Winnie the Pooh_ would not ordinarily be memorable, but my aunt wrote a note in it (dated, so I realize that I've been reading it since age 5). Sentiment is priceless. [...] 2470 92 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6001] Re: Mets kippot????2_cw10_cw@rcn.com28_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:16:38 EST568_- I made a trade with my brother in Wheaton. I sent him a Giants kippa and he sent me a Redskins kippa. (I threw in a "Sore Loserman" one, too.)

CW



"Irene Bleiweiss" wrote in message news:sa826959.084@fcc.gov... You asked about finding this in the Washington, D.C. area. If anyone in the area could help it would be the Jewish Bookstore (formerly Abe's) in Wheaton, Maryland. I know they carry a wide variety of novelty kippot, but don't know if they have sports teams. Maybe they could special order from their supplier? [...] 2563 43 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6002] Re: bar mitzvah gift question9_BBWMinors17_bbwminors@aol.com28_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:17:19 EST533_- I have really enjoyed reading this thread ... the son of very close friends has his bar mitzvah coming up next month and we were going to give a check but this has inspired me instead to come up with something more creative and memorable ... PLUS, my daughter was just given her bat mitzvah date (November 2003, nothing like planning ahead) so I am already starting to think about the slew of 25 b'nai mitzvahs that will accompany it, give or take a few ... may as well start picking up interesting and unusual items now!!!!! [...] 2607 54 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6003] Re: bar mitzvah gift question15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:39:17 EST310_- >Leah Adezio wrote:

>> At any rate, give the young man something you think he'd enjoy or has >> religious significance -- I often give a door mezuzah, with the idea = that >> the bar/bat mitzvah child has something to keep for when they grow up = and >> have their first home. [...] 2662 32 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6004] Re: Mets kippot????8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:10:01 EST485_- You know, all this is making me think: When is it that boys are required to wear kippot? We had a baby one for his bris, but haven't tried a toddler one yet. Are they required prior to the 3rd bithday? - Blanche

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 2695 34 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6005] Re: bar mitzvah gift question9_BBWMinors17_bbwminors@aol.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:01:54 EST283_- I'm also wondering ... and this idea may be TOO far out there I suppose ... if you know the BM's parshat and it has special significance, whether the gift might reflect that? For example, something with a rainbow motif if the child's parshat is Noach (like mine will be). ... [...] 2730 33 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6006] Re: Mets kippot????8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:14:29 EST346_- I see you have received some excellent sugestions that may have taken care of it, but if not, try the Website of 2 New York Jewish Bookstores. One is Eichlers bookstore- I think its:WWW.Eichler.com.. The others is Levines and I think their site is www.levines.com.Let go mets! Bob Feder You can agree with me, or you can be wrong(g) Bob F [...] 2764 38 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:6007] Re: bar mitzvah gift question19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:32:04 EST412_-

Lisa Hertel writes:

> Find out what the kid enjoys, find a way to get something personal > within those parameters, and then figure a way to associate that object > with you.

One of the few bat mitzvah gifts I really remember was a complete set of Shakespeare's plays and sonnets. Torah u'maddah (Torah combined with secular learning), you know. ;) I treasure that book to this day. [...] 2803 52 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:6008] Re: Mets kippot????15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:35:10 EST610_- In article <20010209142453.17221.00000430@ng-fi1.aol.com>, splanche@aol.com (Splanche) wrote:

>You know, all this is making me think: >When is it that boys are required to wear kippot? >We had a baby one for his bris, but haven't tried a toddler one yet. Are >they required prior to the 3rd birthday?

If you're having a formal upshirnish (hair cutting) its a nice touch to introduce kippah and tzitzit after the hair cut, but I don't think its required. I think that as a practical matter we shouldn't expect a child to treat a kippah as a requirement until he is old enough to understand [...] 2856 53 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:6010] Kippot prior to age 314_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:59:24 EST385_- Blanche,

I have some friends who will put a kippa on their boys any time they go to shul or something more formal even before age 3, and then they make it a full time thing at age 3. On the other hand my cousin NEVER wore one until the day of his upsherin (first hair cut) at age 3. I think until age three it's really up to the parents and the temperament of the child. [...] 2910 42 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:6011] Pesach cleaning help19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:58:58 EST357_-

Well, DH and I officially kicked off the Pesach cleaning last night once the boys were asleep.

Our shul is doing a nice thing this year: as a mitzvah project, the 7th and 8th graders are making their hands available to those who sign up in advance, on the morning of April 1, for help with babysitting, cleaning, dish-schlepping, etc. [...] 2953 61 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:6012] Re: Kippot prior to age 30_22_weedfam@nothotmail.com29_Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:10:36 EST546_-

I've seen so many 3-year-olds who hate to wear a kippa, that it makes sense to me to start them on the day of their bris and make it a habit, like seatbelts.

I have no boys, but this is my observation. maxine in ri remove "not" to reply

In article <982337885scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman says... > >Blanche, > >I have some friends who will put a kippa on their boys >any time they go to shul or something more formal even >before age 3, and then they make it a full time thing at >age 3. On the other hand [...]