1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting December 2000 2 36 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5812] Re: Summer Camp Already?18_Kathe Izen-mondlak15_kimond@home.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:18:34 EST536_- Both my children went to camp the summer after Grade 2 - my son went happily even though he was the only Canadian boy his age that session. He was thrilled to meet new people from new places. Coming from a relatively small community, I was very reluctant to send my kids to the closer camp where "everyone else is going" exactly because they needed to expand their circles and not spend more time with the same kids as at school. They are both going back this year. My daughter does another 10 day "alef" session and my son goes [...] 39 47 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5813] Re: Holiday TV depiction7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox28_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 07:53:17 EST443_- >Is Rugrats supposed to be an interfaith family?

Stu and Didi are an interfaith couple. Didi's parents, Boris and Minka are from "the old country." In the Chanukah episode, Drew makes a big speech to his father, Lou, about how he's trying to be sensitive to Didi's heritage. As he's desperately trying to fix something he yells out that he'll meet her at the church, to which Lou replies, "It's called a synagogue Chanukah boy." [...] 87 61 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5814] Re: Holiday TV depiction7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox28_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 09:06:58 EST299_- > If I got this right (and I'll be happy to take >a correction), Chas is DeeDee's brother.

No, Didi does have a half-brother that shows up the first year in one episode, but you never see him again.

Chas and Drew are best friends from high school (along with Howard next door). [...] 149 62 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5815] Re: Holiday TV depiction10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:43:49 EST602_- > > Thirty years ago, lighting a menorah wouldn't have even have been considered.

Actually, that's not quite true. Kukla Fran and Ollie had a Hanukkah show, as did Shari Lewis. Danny Kaye, one of my absolute favorites from childhood, was unabashedly Jewish on his show. Sammy Davis Jr? Can't forget him! The deal is, there are WAY more 'kids' shows now, whereas back then, 30 years ago, much of TV was prime time entertainment, variety shows, etc. And there were plenty of Jewish references and obviously Jewish stars, like the popular comedians of the day. Buddy Hackett, Shecky Greene, [...] 212 60 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5816] Re: Holiday TV depiction18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu28_Fri, 1 Dec 2000 10:50:54 EST437_- mtlaaz@my-deja.com wrote:

> They also had a token character celebrating Kwanzaa and they did make an > effort to describe both holidays.

> For some reason, I was not happy with the outcome. It seemed strange to > me to suddenly give the characters religion. I can't decide if it's > good or bad that my daughter will forever call Francine a "Hannukah > person". It was mostly about the frenzied gift season, and one [...] 273 59 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5817] Re: Holiday TV depiction17_Marion Baumgarten23_marion10@mindspring.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:06:52 EST442_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: This post is being allowed because it attempts to answer a previous poster's questions about the Jewish status of a television character. Further discussion of the "Rugrats" TV show or about current Catholic religious law should be carried on privately, and only posted to SCJP if they contain Jewish parenting-related subject matter. **************************************** [...] 333 69 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5818] Re: Holiday TV depiction0_18_greenhou@erols.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:13:27 EST361_- I take issue with Marjorie's comment: "I think the difference is, I've *always* been Jewish, lived in Jewish communities, and so Judaism to me has always been a part of my TV/Film/entertainment. Since so many of you are new to Judaism, you probably weren't so keenly aware of the subtle signs in your TV shows, but it's been there for years and years. " [...] 403 94 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5819] Re: Holiday TV depiction8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 2000 09:53:21 EST636_- In article <21JV5.489470$i5.8810385@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>, "animzmirot" wrote:

> Actually, that's not quite true. Kukla Fran and Ollie had a > Hanukkah show, as did Shari Lewis. Danny Kaye, one of my > absolute favorites from childhood, was unabashedly Jewish on > his show. Sammy Davis Jr? Can't forget him! The deal is, > there are WAY more 'kids' shows now, whereas back then, 30 > years ago, much of TV was prime time entertainment, variety > shows, etc. And there were plenty of Jewish references and > obviously Jewish stars, like the popular comedians of the > day. Buddy Hackett, Shecky [...] 498 47 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5820] Re: Holiday TV depiction8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com28_Sun, 3 Dec 2000 19:41:01 EST613_- S Greenhouse wrote:

>I take issue with Marjorie's comment: >"I think the difference is, I've *always* been Jewish, lived in >Jewish communities, and so Judaism to me has always been a part of >my TV/Film/entertainment. Since so many of you are new to Judaism, >you probably weren't so keenly aware of the subtle signs in your TV >shows, but it's been there for years and years. " > >Too often in this particular newsgroup I have read and wanted to >respond to less-than-tolerant comments about how someone's >observance level or involvement in Judaism classifies them. It is >_so_ aggravating. I've [...] 546 46 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5821] Hair, hair and hair...14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu28_Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:23:29 EST504_- It's a subject on my mind recently as my son is one week away from his upsherenish. I am planning to donate David's hair to 'Locks of Love' an organization that makes wigs for children suffering from a medical condition called alopecia acretia in which they lose their hair. I was wondering how I could go about getting others with little boys with gorgeous long hair to do the same? I live in a tiny Jewish community- so there is not that much I can do locally. Any ideas for spreading the word? [...] 593 85 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5822] Re: Holiday TV depiction10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:22:10 EST616_-

"Splanche" wrote in message news:20001203192507.01951.00006053@ng-ch1.aol.com... > S Greenhouse wrote: > > >I take issue with Marjorie's comment: > >"I think the difference is, I've *always* been Jewish, lived in > >Jewish communities, and so Judaism to me has always been a part of > >my TV/Film/entertainment. Since so many of you are new to Judaism, > >you probably weren't so keenly aware of the subtle signs in your TV > >shows, but it's been there for years and years. " > > > >Too often in this particular newsgroup I have read and wanted to > >respond to less-than-tolerant [...] 679 98 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5823] Re: Holiday TV depiction11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net28_Fri, 8 Dec 2000 00:32:43 EST400_- Another Chanukah episode of a children's show today.....

While channel surfing, I encountered 'Angela Anaconda'. I've maybe seen about 10 minutes of this prior -- my sons think it's cool...it's a little too weird for my tastes. :)

However, the sight of three of the characters, Angela, another girl and a boy, carrying a *huge* electric menorah caught my eye, so I stuck around. [...] 778 70 47_[SCJ-PARENTING:5824] Re: Hair, hair and hair...10_Oceanmomma26_oceanmomma@aol.comaol.como28_Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:38:16 EST576_- >From: js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann)

>It's a subject on my mind recently as my son is one week >away from his upsherenish. >I am planning to donate David's hair to >'Locks of Love' an organization that makes wigs >for children suffering from a medical condition >called alopecia acretia in which they lose their >hair. >I was wondering how I could go about getting >others with little boys with gorgeous long hair to do the >same? >I live in a tiny Jewish community- so there is not >that much I can do locally. >Any ideas for spreading the word? > >Here is [...] 849 39 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5825] Re: summer camp already?23_Lot''s Wife Productions25_lotswife@worldnet.att.net29_Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:51:20 EST298_- I started going to Camp Tranquility (www.tycamp.com) in Earlton, NY when I was 9 (I'm 31 now) for a three week session. (They have 3 three week sessions.) I ended up going for 6 years (6 weeks each) and made many close friends during my time there. My dad went there, and so did his mother. [...] 889 43 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5827] Teaching Children Self-Discipline0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:22:17 EST579_- Hi!

My two year old who is basically a good boy doesn=E2=80=99t understand why h= e cannot watch his video tapes and listen to music on Shabbat nor does he understand why he cannot run around nude. Basically, he=E2=80=99ll stay put for Shalom Aleichem, Lecha Dodi, Shema, and hand washing, but disrupts the rest. He walks out to play before Birchat Hamazon every day. We explain why and try to understand that he is only two, but we always end up in a situation where punishment is handed down. Can someone give me some tips on teaching children self-discipline or [...] 933 62 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5828] Re: Teaching Children Self-Discipline15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:45:04 EST623_- In article <976722681scjp-submit@shamash.org>, wrote:

>Hi! > >My two year old who is basically a good boy doesn=E2=80=99t understand why h= >e cannot >watch his video tapes and listen to music on Shabbat nor does he understand >why he cannot run around nude. Basically, he=E2=80=99ll stay put for Shalom >Aleichem, Lecha Dodi, Shema, and hand washing, but disrupts the rest. He >walks out to play before Birchat Hamazon every day. We explain why and try >to understand that he is only two, but we always end up in a situation where >punishment is handed down. Can someone give me some [...] 996 69 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5829] Re: Teaching Children Self-Discipline14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net29_Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:16:53 EST497_- I think two is *much* too young to be punished at the table. My daughter turns four next week and is very very active, and if she sits still for 45 minutes I wonder if she is coming down with something. Our daughter is not allowed to disrupt us. She can join in, or go be in another room. And, she has to sit nicely at the table with us to have supper (if she doesn't join us, and is hungry later, she gets only bread and milk.) At two, I don't think she could have understood that, and we [...] 1066 54 86_[SCJ-PARENTING:5830] Anti-Jewish Moderation on Usenet attacks Jewish children unfairly10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:16:07 EST608_- A moderated newsgroup called misc.kids.moderated is currently in the middle of a december dilemma discussion regarding having Xmas and Hanukkah celebrations in a public school classroom, and it has come to the attention of many of the Jewish posters that their posts have been unfairly rejected while other non-Jewish posts that are extremely distressing in their level of intolerance towards Jews are being accepted. I invite you all to look on misc.kids.moderated for a thread called The Santa Secret and read thru it. Much of what is posted is polite, but there are a few posts that will make your [...] 1121 74 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5831] Re: Teaching Children Self-Discipline13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 2000 13:20:54 EST685_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Replies should deal have some Jewish content to be posted to SCJP. To follow up on some other parenting issue that has been raised here, please contact the posters directly via e-mail. Thanks! ****************************************





IREISS@samello.com.br wrote:

> Hi!We explain why and try

> to understand that he is only two, but we always end up in a situation where > punishment is handed down. Can someone give me some tips on teaching children > self-discipline or creative ways to handle this situation so that we can > maintain a positive feeling? How old does a child need [...] 1196 90 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5832] Re: Teaching Children Self-Discipline19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Thu, 14 Dec 2000 15:47:37 EST463_-

Dear Ilene--

I'd echo other posters' comments that "well, two-year-olds are like that", but here are a few more suggestions. The key is to involve the little ones to as great an extent as is possible *for them*, realizing that=20 this is going to vary from week to week. Another secret--which I know=20 is more difficult for you in a small Jewish community--is to have guests over for Shabbat. (The trick is to have them be the right ones.) [...] 1287 145 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5835] Re: Teaching children self-discipline14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Thu, 14 Dec 2000 19:47:00 EST582_- --=====================_131736616==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"



I have a two year old also, so I know exactly what you mean. You have to realize though, that our children are not yet ready to do EVERYTHING. What we do to get our daughter excited for bentching is that we sing the old tune of "Achat Shaalti" where is the middle you say "Shivti, shivti, shivti WHOO!" and we pick her up in the air on the "whoo" and she is bouncing on our laps and banging on the table for the rest of the song. We go straight from that into Shir HaMaalot [...] 1433 86 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5838] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 13520_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Fri, 15 Dec 2000 09:03:01 EST510_- Hi!

This is kind of a public apology to my son who really doesn?t know what = I?ve done to him at this news group.

My husband came home for lunch and we had a bit of a discussion about = this. I got real upset about David dragging over a chair and trying to grab the candles as I was saying the prayers and I grabbed his hand and hollered. After that, David figured out how to get his clothes out of his locked drawer and had them scattered about his room. My husband pointed out that = I [...] 1520 43 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5839] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 135215_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 15 Dec 2000 14:01:46 EST438_- In article <976882226scjp-submit@shamash.org>, wrote:

>Hi! > >This is kind of a public apology to my son who really doesn?t know what >I've done to him at this news group. > >My husband came home for lunch and we had a bit of a discussion about this. >I got real upset about David dragging over a chair and trying to grab the >candles as I was saying the prayers and I grabbed his hand and hollered. [...] 1564 51 71_[SCJ-PARENTING:5840] 2-year olds, discipline, Shabbat and tired parents14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net29_Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:34:19 EST557_- Ilene, don't be too hard on yourself! All of us with young children are new at this parenting thing. I think the absolute hardest part of parenting for me has been trying to instill caution into my enthusiastic child. I had to scream at her and dramatize my own fear, to teach her fear of running straight into the street. Wwe have a religion that calls for lighting candles all over the place, so we must teach our children very early to be careful with matches! My (non-Jewish) husband was very surprised when I offered to let my almost-4 daughter [...] 1616 46 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5841] sharing Chanukah with non-Jewish friends19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:17:51 EST528_-

Some new friends of ours who are from France and Holland are going to join us for one of the later nights of Chanukah. They know very little about the holiday but are thrilled to be invited.

I *don't* want to play teacher--I'd rather answer questions than launch into a shpiel from a lectern, but I would like them to get some coherent sense of the holiday. I thought I would buy a bag of chocolate gelt for each child and show them how to dreidl. We tend to sing a lot, but if NONE of our guests know the [...] 1663 49 90_[SCJ-PARENTING:5842] Re: Anti-Jewish Moderation on Usenet attacks Jewish children unfairly10_Oceanmomma26_oceanmomma@aol.comaol.como29_Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:18:25 EST578_- >From: "animzmirot" animzmirot@home.com

>it has come to the attention of many >of the Jewish posters that their posts have been unfairly >rejected while other non-Jewish posts that are extremely >distressing in their level of intolerance towards Jews are >being accepted.

Sadly, this type of behavior is consistent with how mainstream America treats those who are not of the Christian faith. Our children feel it in the schools just as posters feel it in newsgroups. It's a sad statement about tolerance, differences, acceptance and respect in our country. [...] 1713 34 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5843] home Sunday school0_23_gyromagnetic@excite.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:22:20 EST517_- Hi, I apologize if this is a FAQ. I am planning on having Jewish Sunday school at home for my four and seven year old children. Any hints on where I might find curricula or materials to use? Any suggestions for a format?

Thanks.



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1748 49 75_[SCJ-PARENTING:5844] Re: 2-year olds, discipline, Shabbat and tired parents5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:34:30 EST323_-

As usual, the Jewish tradition has a solution, in this case called the shammas. It is certainly a custom, and maybe even halacha, not to light the Shabbat candles directly from a match.

My son, now 10, has been lighting candles since he was about 3, but has yet to ever light, or even touch, a match. [...] 1798 49 65_[SCJ-PARENTING:5845] Re: sharing Chanukah with non-Jewish friends9_Kim Wolff16_KWolff@webtv.net29_Tue, 19 Dec 2000 07:40:24 EST505_- I was raised Jewish by both my parents and really enjoyed it. But as we got older we never really got into Hanukkah that much. My brother had his Bar-Mitsvah but I never got to have my Bat-Mitsvah. When I was 16 my mother passed away and my family gave up on the traditions all together. Well now I'm married to a non-Jewish man and we have a 4 1/2year old son who is confused. He's been to temply once or twice and I've been to more churches in my life since we have moved to Iowa. And every time [...] 1848 60 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5847] Re: Sharing Chanukah With Non-Jews0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:00:33 EST396_- Hi!

Alessandra wrote, "Some new friends of ours who are from France and Holland are going to join us for one of the later nights of Chanukah. They know very little about the holiday but are thrilled to be invited. I *don't* want to play teacher--I'd rather answer questions than launch into a shpiel from a lectern, but I would like them to get some coherent sense of the holiday." [...] 1909 87 65_[SCJ-PARENTING:5848] Re: sharing Chanukah with non-Jewish friends15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:44:13 EST598_- Sounds like you're all set for a lovely and enjoyable evening. The only = addition I'd suggest to your plans is to start the evening reading a few = children's books, including the one they gave your son. I find kid's = books and kids services wonderful learning tools (even for adults) because = they don't presuppose any knowledge. The Sammy Spider books are = particularly good for sharing traditions with non-Jewish friends because = they are written from the perspective of a character (spider) who doesn't = know about jewish holidays but is curious about all the holiday preparation= [...] 1997 59 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:5849] misc.kids moderated8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:01:29 EST361_- There has been some discussion about the "santa" debate in the moderated misc.kids newsgroup here. In the beginning, I saw issues on both sides of the debate and thought there wasx not a definite right or wrong, but today I say the "wrong." See below for what that moderated newsgroup is letting their posters get away with: (written by a Noreen Cooper) [...] 2057 134 105_[SCJ-PARENTING:5850] Introducing Child to Jewish Holidays (was sharing Chanukah with non-Jewish friends)15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:14:39 EST538_- This is in response to Kim who raises many issues about raising a Jewish = child in an interfaith family, without having many Jewish support systems = nearby.

Let me start out by saying that all branches of Judaism would consider = your child 100% Jewish, because he is the child of a Jewish mother. So = your goal of helping your Jewish child to feel Jewish is a very good and = important one. You may have to work a bit harder at cultivating his = Jewish identity than parents who live in areas where there are many other [...] 2192 35 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5852] Judaica for 18" dolls?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:05:07 EST466_- My daughter received a "Magic Attic" doll for Hannukah this year, and although the "Heather" doll is supposed to be Jewish, they no longer seem to sell the Judaica items that I remember seeing years ago. Does anyone know of a source for Judaica (specifically menorah, but other things as well) that are scaled to fit the 18" to 22" dolls such as Magic Attic, American Girl, or My Twinn? Otherwise I might just have to buy the Fimo and get creative! - Blanche [...] 2228 54 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5853] special Chanukah Traditions13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net29_Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:35:52 EST376_- Hi,

Was at my in-laws yesterday and a guest, an Iranian Jew, asked why we brought three menorahs to light. Our family tradition is that everyone lights a menorah (except my non-Jewish husband, who helps our youngest child and also takes the pictures.) So I was wondering, what other special Chanukah traditions SCJM families may incorporate into their practice? [...] 2283 32 82_[SCJ-PARENTING:5854] 18" dolls-- please email responses as AOL is not keeping up =8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:17:18 EST288_- I posted the other day about judaica for 18" dolls--=20 Please copy me via email on any answers, since apparently AOL is not = showing all the posts. I have gotten 2 email responses but have not yet sen my own post, let alone the responses, on the newsreader for AOL. - Blanche=20 [...] 2316 35 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5855] Re: summer camp already?16_Marshall Carroll19_mcarroll27@home.com29_Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:17:35 EST466_- Regarding the poster from the Boston area interested in Jewish Summer Camps - My kids went as early as 9 to Camp Massad just outside of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. They enjoy it tremendously and like how the Judaism is interwoven in a creative fashion throughout the experience. You can read about Camp Massad at www.campmassad.ca and I hope your children enjoy whichever Jewish overnight camp they attend! Sincerely, Marsh Carroll email: mcarroll27@home.com [...] 2352 66 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5856] re: The Santa Question14_max_weisenfeld29_Max_Weisenfeld@compuserve.com29_Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:09:04 EST614_- Message text written by splanche@aol.com (Splanche) >See below for what that moderated newsgroup is letting their posters get away with: (written by a Noreen Cooper)<

There has been both a discussion and a vicious argument on misc.kids.moderated. Posters on all sides of the debate have crossed lines that should have prompted the moderators to kill the debate. There has been a failure of the moderators, in part engendered by what appears to be a personal issue between a specific Jewish poster and one or more of the moderators. I do not think either side has behaved entirely well although there [...] 2419 45 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5857] Jenny and the Queen of Light13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com29_Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:09:38 EST546_- My daughter and I watched this TV special on Global Television last night. I wonder if anyone else saw it. My daughter and were both thoroughly disappointed in the story. There is a child name Jenny who has no outward signs of being Jewish that I could see, who is visited by a Hannukah Queen of Light. Mostly I thought it was wrong and misleading. My daughter thought it was just plain stupid. her fathr is dead of unspecified causes, her mother is too busy to attend to her children's needs and her brother is being regualrly beat up at [...]