1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting November 2000
2 138 77_[SCJ-PARENTING:5709] Re: What to tell kids of intermarriage when you're a BT?14_Marcy Thompson18_marcy@squirrel.com28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:15:00 EST441_-
yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM (Jewish Momma) wrote:
>How am I to tell them, "Yes, I am glad I married your Daddy" and then in >another breath tell them, "Intermarriage is wrong"? If anything looks >hypocritical, that does.
Are you glad you married their daddy? Do you think intermarriage is always wrong? These two beliefs are not consistent, which could explain why you feel hypocritical if you say both of them. [...]
141 68 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5710] Re: Reflections on intermarriage12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:32:12 EST353_- Adelle,
That was a beautiful post, thank you. :-)
I too have been reconsidering, and wondering why Hashem allowed me to meet and marry a Gentile.
My father (may he rest in peace) said that of all my accomplishments in life, one of the greatest in his opinion, was marrying my husband. The other was having his grandchildren. [...]
210 53 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5711] Violent themes was Re: Maoz Tsur14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:54:56 EST460_- Hadass Eviatar writes:
> Sephardic tunes as well, which aren't Xmassy at all. Personally I have > more of a problem with the *words* of Maoz Tsur, which refer to the > slaughter of the enemy ...
Oh, I want to pick up on this one. This is starting to be an issue in our house. As previously said, my SO is not Jewish but very supportive, when it comes to having Shabbat, going to Shul, framing values as Jewish, etc. [...]
264 49 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5712] Re: Winter lights?22_Adelle D. Stavis, Esq.19_adelle@mediaone.net28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:43:56 EST327_- Hadass,
There is a toy store chain called Zany Brainy with a shop online feature (zanybrainy.com). They are advertising tube lights, much like the ones which light movie theatre or airplane aisles but in blue and purple. Didn't know whether this would appeal to your kids, as they are indoor, not outdoor lights. [...]
314 61 77_[SCJ-PARENTING:5713] Re: What to tell kids of intermarriage when you're a BT?12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:37:55 EST319_- moles wrote:
>No matter how much our sons adore their father, they cannot help but be very >aware of their father's "otherness" on a daily basis.
My daughter (age 6 1/2) once cried to me, "I wish Daddy was Jewish". What should I say? It broke my heart.
>My husband cannot even >read Hebrew. [...]
376 62 84_[SCJ-PARENTING:5714] Re: Children intermarrying was Re: Reflections on Intermarriage12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:38:44 EST451_- betsys said:
>This is still the heart of the "marrying Daddy was a mistake" problem to >me. If our children look at our good men and our good marriages and hear us >say that this was a mistake, or that in any way we think less of our >husbands because they are not Jewish, they will think that Judaism is wrong >about this, and wonder what else Judaism is wrong about. Or, perhaps they >will blame *us* for not appreciating what we have [...]
439 70 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5715] Re: Violent themes was Re: Maoz Tsur14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:53:05 EST409_-
Betsy Schwartz wrote in message ... >Hadass Eviatar writes: > >> Sephardic tunes as well, which aren't Xmassy at all. Personally I have >> more of a problem with the *words* of Maoz Tsur, which refer to the >> slaughter of the enemy ... > > >The place where we are all bogging down, ironically, is the Torah and >holiday stories. So many of our stories are so violent... [...]
510 40 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5716] Re: Winter/X-mas lights8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:03:40 EST296_- Beth wrote: >>So I guess I've come full circle -- no way. Ultimately I come down to >>this really stupid thought -- how do I put up lights and at the same >>time make the statement that I am doing this to provide light and beauty >>rather than to embrace the secular aspects of Christmas? [...]
551 51 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:5717] Jewish upbringing of children in a will19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:24:17 EST431_-
Well, two kids later (I am not proud of this) my husband and I are beginning to draw up our wills. We have a number of good choices among family members, when it comes to appointing guardians for our children, in all manners except one: none of them are observant. They are respectful of our life choices (we could not conscience asking them to be guardians otherwise), but generally not too well educated Jewishly. [...]
603 82 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5718] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:48:02 EST295_- aschmidt said: >Well, two kids later (I am not proud of this) my husband and I are >beginning to draw up our wills. We have a number of good choices >among family members, when it comes to appointing guardians >for our=20 >children, in all manners except one: none of them are observant. [...]
686 109 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:5719] Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:17:09 EST427_- We have the same issue in our family. After much soul searching, we are = leaning toward appointing as guardians relatives who aren't Jewish but who = have agreed to help maintain our children's Jewish identities.=20 =20 Hopefully, with the guidance of rabbis and schools in their area (which = our insurance $ would cover), these relatives could continue to foster = some degree of Jewish identity in our children. =20 [...]
796 56 84_[SCJ-PARENTING:5720] Re: Children intermarrying was Re: Reflections on Intermarriage15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:29:06 EST625_- In article <20001101091226.27244.00000037@ng-cs1.aol.com>, yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM (Jewish Momma) wrote:
>There is another aspect of this that no one has mentioned, myself included. And >that is: there is a chance my husband may still become Jewish. In many ways he >practically is now, and has been for years. he kept what I call "basically" >kosher for many years, even when I didn't (it had to do with a church he was >with that did not eat blatant trafe like pork, shellfish, etc., and kept the >Jewish Sabbath too.) He has a great love for the Jewish people and all things >Jewish. But because [...]
853 58 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5721] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:03:06 EST395_- IBLEIWEI said:
>We have the same issue in our family. After much soul searching, we are = >leaning toward appointing as guardians relatives who aren't Jewish but who = >have agreed to help maintain our children's Jewish identities.
Have you thought about asking around among the Lubavitch families, if there are any near you? Have you had any involvement with them? [...]
912 69 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5722] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 02:30:33 EST521_-
>Some of this may go under the heading of ethical rather than legal >wills; that's also something I have to learn more about. While I am >not seeking legal advice (on the Internet??!!), if anyone has wrassled >with this particular bear and has any thoughts to share, I'm interested. > > . . .Alexandra > >P.S. Given that we have some awesome human beings whom we call family, >and that they are blessed with the desire, means, and stamina to be our >babies' guardians, there is no way we'd turn elsewhere. [...]
982 74 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5723] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Hillary Israeli19_hillary@hillary.net28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 02:31:07 EST644_- In <200011021421.JAA09769@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:
* *Well, two kids later (I am not proud of this) my husband and I are *beginning to draw up our wills. We have a number of good choices *among family members, when it comes to appointing guardians for our *children, in all manners except one: none of them are observant. *They are respectful of our life choices (we could not conscience *asking them to be guardians otherwise), but generally not too well *educated Jewishly. * *Now, I realize that I cannot stipulate lifestyles in a will (and *frankly, I wouldn't want to). [...]
1057 64 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5724] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will17_Kris Hasson-Jones19_snippy@pacifier.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 02:31:41 EST506_- Jewish Momma wrote: > > aschmidt said: > >Well, two kids later (I am not proud of this) my husband and I are > >beginning to draw up our wills. We have a number of good choices > >among family members, when it comes to appointing guardians for > >children, in all manners except one: none of them are observant. > > Wow, someone brings up my very problem! > > We also do not yet have wills made up, even with three children under > 10. [snip] > I am hoping that as we become better friends with the [...]
1122 39 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5725] Scouting and the Jewish Child8_WebScout17_NoJunkMail@for.me28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:54:03 EST662_- There are many benefits for Jewish children joining Scouting. Many units are currently sponsered by Jewish organizations.
For more information see the National Jewish Committee on Scouting, BSA
http://www.jewishscouting.org=20
in Connecticut, see the CYC-JCoS web site which has a unique collection of CLIP-ART
http://learn.at/scouts=20
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1162 89 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5726] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:41:47 EST594_- In article <3A01C855.489787F7@pacifier.com>, Kris Hasson-Jones wrote:
>Jewish Momma wrote: >>=20 >> aschmidt said: >> >Well, two kids later (I am not proud of this) my husband and I are >> >beginning to draw up our wills. We have a number of good choices >> >among family members, when it comes to appointing guardians for >> >children, in all manners except one: none of them are observant. >>=20 >> Wow, someone brings up my very problem! >>=20 >> We also do not yet have wills made up, even with three children under >> 10. >[snip]=20 >> I am hoping that [...]
1252 58 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5727] Re: Winter lights?12_Karen Carter19_tkre@mindspring.com28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:46:46 EST664_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Having just come off an amazing Sukkot- I've had the most fun ever, here = in Northern California.
Our Sukkah is starting to become the extension of my never having xmas. = Never wanting it and yet loving all the decoration and splendor. Last = year, I decided it was time to add outdoor lights to our Sukkah. We = have small white xmas lights that I bought on sale in January of last = year. We have pepper lights, we have strung popcorn and cranberries. [...]
1311 42 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:5728] Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:50:28 EST287_- Fred wrote: Another thing to consider: Wills, to be halachically valid = and in keeping with the laws of inheritance in the Torah, must be written in a particular way, so checking with a rabbi as well as a lawyer (or a lawyer versed in halachic will-making) would be a good idea. [...]
1354 65 60_[SCJ-PARENTING:5729] Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:37:36 EST463_- >>> Alexandra J Schmidt wrote 11/02/00 = 01:24PM >>>
At the same time, I know that our guardians would want to follow our wishes as much as possible. My question thus is: how does one provide guidance as to what's=20 important? Off the top of my head I'd want the kids keeping kosher, attending Hebrew or day school (depending on the options), and attending shul, with an adult, regularly on Shabbat and holidays. =20 [...]
1420 49 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5730] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:39:13 EST504_- moles wrote:
>Anyway, a friend told me that it would be spinning my wheels to name anyone >other than a relative as guardian. She said that, in spite of whom we may >name in our wills, a judge will almost invariably award custody to a family >member.
This, to me, is very very scary news. If anything happened to me and my husband, he is the only one with family members that are able to take the kids, and there is NO WAY I want those %$#$ born-again xian fanatics to have my kids! [...]
1470 62 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5731] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:15:09 EST585_- In article , "Irene Bleiweiss" wrote:
>Fred wrote: Another thing to consider: Wills, to be halachically valid >and in keeping with the laws of inheritance in the Torah, must be written >in a particular way, so checking with a rabbi as well as a lawyer (or >a lawyer versed in halachic will-making) would be a good idea. > >Fred, >Could you say a little more on the types of torah issues that a parent >needs to be aware of in making a will? I think that many Jewish parents >want all of their children to inherit equally. Are you [...]
1533 51 77_[SCJ-PARENTING:5732] Re: What to tell kids of intermarriage when you're a BT?12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:23:17 EST531_- moles said:
>(It's similar to my >not needing to spend much time talking about the evils of smoking when my >sons get so depressed at seeing their grandfather with his oxygen machine).
Oh, Cindy, I can relate to this analogy so much. ((((Hugs))))
My father died of lung cancer two years ago, and my son took it very very hard. Needless to say you are right....he HATES smoking at this point, and refuses to even be in a room where someone smokes. because he knows what smoking did to his beloved zayde. [...]
1585 45 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5733] Re: Reflections on intermarriage18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:23:22 EST546_- Jewish Momma wrote:
> A marriage to a non-religious and esp. an anti-religious Jew is just as = > bad if > not worse than marriage to a gentile. Sometimes worse, since many gentiles = > have > no prejudice against things Jewish, whereas a Jew who grew up in a > dynfunctional Jewish home may be very prejudiced against anything of a = > Jewish > religious nature (esp. if they, like my father, had been forced under = > threat of > being smacked around, to go to Hebrew school and shul every morning.) [...]
1631 88 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5734] Re: Winter lights?19_Prof. Gilead Tadmor18_tadmor@ece.neu.edu28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:23:25 EST480_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please ensure that replies to this message stick to the topic at hand ie, not just our attitudes towards "Winter Lights" but our decisions/thoughts/feelings about them vis a vis our Jewish children. Thanks! ****************************************
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1720 89 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5735] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:23:28 EST585_- I am an Attorney. And while I cannot give legal advice because of the way I am currently registered w/the Bar, I can give legal information.
Usually, lifestyle guidance may not be set out in a will with the exception of lifestyle choices which are illegal or create pecuniary ($) problems - being a spendthrift or abuser of drugs. There may be some morality clauses allowable in some jurisdictions. You'll need to find out from an attorney in your local area. Many people do provide a letter of guidance to the guardians, setting out your wishes for your children. These [...]
1810 69 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5736] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:23:29 EST557_-
In my situation, as a single mom, it is vital that I have a will. Unfortunately, it is totally out of date and I haven't found the time (yeah, yeah) to update it. But at least I have one, which in this crowd seems to be a plus! :-)
Anyhow, my choice of guardians was particularly difficult since there weren't really ANY choices that were good ones. My brother, whose wife is closes to my level of observance and interest in Judaism, wouldn't send my kids to a day school and would probably undermine my choices. My other brother, who [...]
1880 43 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5737] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Sun, 5 Nov 2000 02:30:10 EST549_- You need a good lawyer. You need to make sure that you spell out in your will both who should have custody, and explicitly who should *not* have custody. A good lawyer with experience in contested wills should be able to assist you with this.
For the Jewish part - you may wish to be explicit in your will about who should be the authority on Jewish issues for your children. You also probably need to think about how strictly you want to enforce this. Do you want something very strict, so that custody reverts if your wishes are not [...]
1924 67 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5738] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:52:58 EST598_- "Irene Bleiweiss" writes: > for their children. Otherwise one person might assume separation milk = and =3D > meat is enough, when the other person assumes that cholev yisroel and = =3D > glatt are needed. =3D20
You also need to make sure that your guardians are comfortable with whatever you agree with. Are they agreeing to raise your children Jewish and just picturing that this means packing them off to Hebrew school once = a week, or are they willing to remodel their kitchens and change their lifestyle to accommodate you? And, how will they feel about this [...]
1992 38 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5739] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:56:49 EST529_- fredr5 wrote:
>To put it in a nutshell, the Torah law of inheritance is simply that the >sons inherit, with the oldest son getting a double share.
What if there are no sons? Does the decision regarding the daughters of Zelophehad come into play then?
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2031 54 25_[SCJ-PARENTING:5740] CTTS19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:12:09 EST400_-
This one is actually spouse and son together...
Friday night we made the usual blessings over the boys, and Gideon informed us that he wanted to make "bracha on vacuum". (The vacuum=20 cleaner was standing in the corner of the dining room, and has been an object of fascinations to Gidi for some time now.) Well, OK, we weren't going to do it, but we weren't going to stop him. [...]
2086 62 65_[SCJ-PARENTING:5741] Subject: Re: Jewish upbringing of children =19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:13:10 EST535_-
Marjorie writes:
> In my situation, as a single mom, it is vital that I have a > will.
[...]
> How does one ask friends? All my friends have several (or > more) children of their own. I'm guessing most of them > wouldn't want the added burden of my kids.
FWIW, we have agreed to be the guardians for a friend of ours=20 here (we are relatively new in town, having been on this coast for just six years). He was widowered (is that a word?) far too soon (in = 1996) and his children are now 10 [...]
2149 88 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5742] Re: Gender-based Seating12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:18:24 EST541_- IBLEIWEI said:
>This is for single or intermarried Jewish parents out there. > >How do you handle seating arrangments when attending O shuls with a =3D >school-aged child of the oppostite sex? My son is almost 6, and getting = =3D >kind of old to sit with me in the woman's section. Dad isn't Jewish, so = =3D >doesn't attend. =3D20 > >The woman's section is in the balcony and women can't even see most of = the =3D >men's seats one floor down beneath the overhang, just the bimah. If my = =3D >son were in the men's section, [...]
2238 42 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5743] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:17:02 EST383_- In article <20001104184950.06314.00001429@ng-fi1.aol.com>, yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM (Jewish Momma) wrote:
>fredr5 wrote: > >>To put it in a nutshell, the Torah law of inheritance is simply that the >>sons inherit, with the oldest son getting a double share. > >What if there are no sons? Does the decision regarding the daughters of >Zelophehad come into play then? [...]
2281 92 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5744] The info some here asked for12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM28_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:40:38 EST310_- [Mod: this is approved as a follow up and because the religious identities = of children of intermarriage may be of interest to intermarried parents = raising Jewish children]
Someone here had asked in the intermarriage thread, where I got my figures = for a 25% intermarriage rate among O Jews. [...]
2374 40 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5745] Bris and other kids??9_Lisa Cain22_cain@haas.berkeley.edu28_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 13:35:30 EST541_-
Hi,
We are expecting another child on 11/20 (via scheduled c-section) and we don't know yet if it's a boy or a girl. If it's a boy, the bris would be on 11/27. We're trying to decide if our 3 year old daughter should be at home with us for this event or not. Some options we've discussed; taking her to preschool as regularly scheduled; taking her to school and then having someone pick her up and bring her home in time for the brunch we would have; keeping her home with or without a babysitter to keep her occupied. [...]
2415 48 64_[SCJ-PARENTING:5746] Re: Jewish upbringing of children in a will14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net28_Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:33:05 EST501_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: > Now, I realize that I cannot stipulate lifestyles in a will (and > frankly, I wouldn't want to). At the same time, I know that our > guardians would want to follow our wishes as much as possible. My > question thus is: how does one provide guidance as to what's > important? Off the top of my head I'd want the kids keeping kosher, > attending Hebrew or day school (depending on the options), and attending > shul, with an adult, regularly on Shabbat and holidays. [...]
2464 42 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5747] Re:Bris and other kids0_15_Chana34@aol.com28_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:19:02 EST513_- When my son was born 2 1/2 years ago my 2 girls, ages 3 and 5 at that time, were home for the bris. To be honest they could have cared less. They hung around a bit at the beginning and then went and watched a video in the other room. It was probably a little easier because they had each other to occupy themselves, so they weren't pesty to the people who were there for the ceremony. The only bad thing I've heard from other Jewish parents (okay, moms) is that it can be really stressful having all those [...]
2507 64 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5748] Re: Bris and other kids19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Thu, 9 Nov 2000 15:44:01 EST424_-
We held Josiah's bris at our synagogue for several reasons--first, because about 80 people came; second, because the shul's catering is really wonderful (all done by volunteers--but we put some of the profits into sending our volunteers to the Culinary Institute of America!), and third, because even friends leave some mess in their wake and we really didn't want to deal with it (see the first two points). [...]
2572 45 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:5749] half-day Day School10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sun, 12 Nov 2000 07:45:08 EST472_- I'm pulling one of my kids out of our SSDS day school half-day. He'll be at school in the morning which is when they do t'fillot, Hebrew and Judaica, will eat lunch there, have recess, and then will leave to homeschool general studies. I'm doing this because the school is unable and unwilling to accomodate his learning ability, and will not skip him regardless of his proven ability to handle the tasks required of him in 5th grade. It's a long story. Don't ask! [...]
2618 37 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5751] How do I make a tallit?0_15_Chana34@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:02:40 EST531_- Dear All,
Don't remember needing an actual tallit for my first son's bris, but the mohel mentioned it this time. We don't own one, but I know you can make one. I looked at the instructions in the First Jewish Catalog, but they are a bit vague for my 35 1/2 weeks pregnant brain to make any sense of. (They are particularly vague about the tzitzit. What material, how long each strand needs to be...) I've tried searching the web, and about the only info I can find is about why, when and how to wear one, or where to [...]
2656 81 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5752] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 132812_Elissa Bortz22_elissajb@earthlink.net29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:22:50 EST391_- I know this is not the question you asked, but I am curious about something. I am a past SSDS principal and I was wondering if your child is also socially mature? There are a host of components that need to be met to move a child up a grade while remaining intellectually honest. If all the requirements are not met then it is difficult to move a child up with any kind of integrity. [...]
2738 50 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5753] Re: How do I make a tallit?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:28:10 EST581_- In article , Chana34@aol.com wrote:
>Dear All, > >Don't remember needing an actual tallit for my first son's bris, but the >mohel mentioned it this time. We don't own one, but I know you can make one. >I looked at the instructions in the First Jewish Catalog, but they are a bit >vague for my 35 1/2 weeks pregnant brain to make any sense of. (They are >particularly vague about the tzitzit. What material, how long each strand >needs to be...) I've tried searching the web, and about the only info I can >find is about why, when and how [...]
2789 41 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5754] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 13288_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:48:26 EST568_- I have read that they've done studies on children "moved up," and they find that in general, there have been issues with boys specifically who are not reaching maturity at the same time as their peer group ("locker room" issues, so to speak). Although this is in the realm of regular parenting, not necessarily Jewish parenting, I wonder how the religious aspect of it would affect a child.. in other words, how would he feel about becoming a Bar Mitzvah a year later than his friends in school (and possibly 2yrs later than the girls for Bas Mitzvah)? His Bar [...]
2831 87 34_[SCJ-PARENTING:5755] Re: A dilemma15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:08:48 EST494_- In article , Betsy Schwartz wrote:
>yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM (Jewish Momma) writes: >> There seem to be more and more of us, what with the intermarriage rate = > >I have also heard that the children of intermarried families, are *more* >likely to be raised "actively" Jewish than the children of non-intermarried >families (this would be for Reform/Unaffiliated/etc families, not Orthodox >of course). I think this is true. [...]
2919 52 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5756] Re: How do I make a tallit?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:53:13 EST577_- >In article , Chana34@aol.com wrote: > >>Dear All, >> >>Don't remember needing an actual tallit for my first son's bris, but the >>mohel mentioned it this time. We don't own one, but I know you can make one. > >>I looked at the instructions in the First Jewish Catalog, but they are a bit > >>vague for my 35 1/2 weeks pregnant brain to make any sense of. (They are >>particularly vague about the tzitzit. What material, how long each strand >>needs to be...) I've tried searching the web, and about the only info I can >>find is about why, [...]
2972 119 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5757] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 132810_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 08:30:12 EST518_-
"Elissa Bortz" wrote in message news:974123631scjp-submit@shamash.org... > I know this is not the question you asked, but I am curious about something. I am > a past SSDS principal and I was wondering if your child is also socially mature? > There are a host of components that need to be met to move a child up a grade > while remaining intellectually honest. If all the requirements are not met then > it is difficult to move a child up with any kind of integrity. > > Elissa [...]
3092 42 70_[SCJ-PARENTING:5758] need a babysitter when on vacation in S. Fla. (m)0_34_erinsfb@credit.erin.utoronto.ca=2029_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:33:02 EST413_- Sorry if this is off topic for this group. We will be staying in S. Fla. (Aventura) from Dec. 27 thru Jan 14. I was hoping to find a responsible, experienced teenager for occassional babysitting of my 5 year old son.
I have been told to contact local synagogues but don't know of any. I thought about waiting until I was there but I'm afraid that synagogue offices would be closed for winter break. [...]
3135 61 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:5759] What to do?7_Khailer15_khailer@aol.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:34:47 EST579_- (I'm going to post from my aol account as my other one is having some problems getting through to moderated groups for some reason *sigh*)
Saturday, my stepdaughter and I attended a Bat Mitzvah at the congregation to which I belong. It really was a lovely ceremony HOWEVER there were a large group of young boys behind us really causing problems. They were laughing, pounding each other (literally), kicking our chairs, etc. There were not parents sitting with these boys and I know the other gentleman in the row and I turned around a couple of times to tell them [...]
3197 117 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5760] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 132810_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:06:44 EST672_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Just a friendly reminder to keep responses on the subject of Jewish parenting. Any replies to this should address Jewish issues, not just the theoretical or practical pros and cons of homeschooling. ****************************************
"Splanche" wrote in message news:20001113141534.09261.00001352@ng-cg1.aol.com... > I have read that they've done studies on children "moved up," and they find > that in general, there have been issues with boys specifically who are not > reaching maturity at the same time as their peer group ("locker room" issues, > so to speak). [...]
3315 88 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5761] Re: How do I make a tallit?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:07:03 EST562_-
wrote in message news:e3.c4ffb27.2740c750@aol.com... > Dear All, > > Don't remember needing an actual tallit for my first son's bris, but the > mohel mentioned it this time. We don't own one, but I know you can make one. > I looked at the instructions in the First Jewish Catalog, but they are a bit > vague for my 35 1/2 weeks pregnant brain to make any sense of. (They are > particularly vague about the tzitzit. What material, how long each strand > needs to be...) I've tried searching the web, and about the only info I can [...]
3404 62 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5762] Re: How do I make a tallit?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:08:57 EST420_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: The poster here is referring to the prohibition of "shaatnez," forbidden mixtures of wool and linen in a garment. Follow-up comments/questions on this particular area of Jewish law should be addressed to the poster herself, not to the newsgroup itself, unless they deal specifically with Jewish parenting issues. **************************************** [...]
3467 83 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5763] Re: How do I make a tallit?12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:10:20 EST587_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Follow-up posts within this forum should deal with Jewish parenting issues. Questions or comments on the halachot (laws) of tallit / tzitzit should be addressed directly to the original poster. ****************************************
I have made several tallitot at this point. It has been a frustrating experience at times, trying to find all of the necessary information. But I've been happy with the results, both aesthetically and spiritually. Here's what I've learned. I'd appreciate anyone filling in gaps. [...]
3551 78 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5764] Re: How do I make a tallit?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:10:43 EST663_- In article <20001113173545.11226.00002849@ng-cg1.aol.com>, splanche@aol.com (Splanche) wrote:
>>In article , Chana34@aol.com wrote: >> >>>Dear All, >>> >>>Don't remember needing an actual tallit for my first son's bris, but the >>>mohel mentioned it this time. We don't own one, but I know you can make one. >> >>>I looked at the instructions in the First Jewish Catalog, but they are a bit >> >>>vague for my 35 1/2 weeks pregnant brain to make any sense of. (They are >>>particularly vague about the tzitzit. What material, how long each strand >>>needs to be...) I've tried searching the web, and about the only info [...]
3630 73 74_[SCJ-PARENTING:5765] Re: need a babysitter when on vacation in S. Fla. (m)15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:08:30 EST582_- In article <8ursjk$a52$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, erinsfb@credit.erin.utoronto.ca=20 wrote:
>Sorry if this is off topic for this group. We will be staying in S. >Fla. (Aventura) from Dec. 27 thru Jan 14. I was hoping to find a >responsible, experienced teenager for occassional babysitting of my 5 >year old son. > >I have been told to contact local synagogues but don't know of any. I >thought about waiting until I was there but I'm afraid that synagogue >offices would be closed for winter break. > >Anybody have any helpful suggestions?? > >Thanks for your time! > >Shari [...]
3704 49 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5766] Re: What to do?10_Serge Adam19_serge.adam@home.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 03:10:39 EST605_- On 14 Nov 2000 15:28:45 -0800, khailer@aol.com (Khailer) wrote:
>(I'm going to post from my aol account as my other one is having some problems >getting through to moderated groups for some reason *sigh*) > >Saturday, my stepdaughter and I attended a Bat Mitzvah at the congregation to >which I belong. It really was a lovely ceremony HOWEVER there were a large >group of young boys behind us really causing problems. They were laughing, >pounding each other (literally), kicking our chairs, etc. There were not >parents sitting with these boys and I know the other gentleman in the row and [...]
3754 62 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5768] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 13288_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:45:04 EST548_- >I don't see the point >of leaving a child to rot in a school, never mind paying >$10K for the priviledge, when he has the opportunity to >learn outside of school. Perhaps you might want to explain >it to me *after* you've read the articles I've mentioned. >I'd be really interested to learn more. > >Marjorie > Obviously this is an issue that you feel strongly about. I honestly don't remember where I read what I did. I admit, I have never had experience = myself with what you have gone through. I do know children in public schools that [...]
3817 55 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5769] Re: What to do?12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:33:24 EST443_- > there were a large > group of young boys behind us really causing problems. They were laughing, > pounding each other (literally), kicking our chairs, etc. There were not > parents sitting with these boys
This has occasionally been a problem at my shul -- enough of one that the rabbi actually asked the parents to stay for a few minutes after a parent-child meeting on a different subject to discuss how to handle this issue. [...]
3873 44 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5770] Re: What to do?14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:52:27 EST325_- Khailer wrote: > Saturday, my stepdaughter and I attended a Bat Mitzvah at the congregatio= n to > which I belong. It really was a lovely ceremony HOWEVER there were a = large > group of young boys behind us really causing problems. They were = laughing, > pounding each other (literally), kicking our chairs, etc.=20 [...]
3918 45 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5771] Re: What to do?7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 15:29:27 EST459_- >In our congregation, first of all, BM age kids must sit with either their >parent or the teacher (we have hebrew school on Saturday). In addition, >every BM is staffed by 2 ushers. As a regular volunteer, I would have >expelled them.
What about if the kids are "guests" (ie class mates from school) and the parents aren't there? What do you with a kid that's been expelled from the service but there's no adult to take responsibility for them? [...]
3964 79 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5772] Re: What to do?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:22:20 EST492_-
> How do you convey to your kids that this is inappropriate behavior? I know > that my younger boys would have been very impressed with these kids and I > suspect my oldest one might have wished he was with them rather than me. I > make it pretty clear to them how I expect them to act at all types of > religious > services but my ex tells me that if I'm not there, the boys tend to act up. > He > also tells me it's OK because this is "normal." I know that when they [...]
4044 43 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5773] Re: what to do?0_37_lynne.a.fitzsimmons@exgate.tek.com=2029_Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:46:50 EST353_-
I have no hesitation turning around and telling them to cut it out. Teenagers tend to sit in blocks at our Shabbat am services as well. However, we also have the Patented Rabbi Death Glare. Our rabbi will = simply stop the service and just look at them. Works every time. [...]
4088 170 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5774] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 13284_DRUM17_evad@voicenet.com29_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:17:52 EST727_-
animzmirot wrote in message news:pE6Q5.420252$i5.7203890@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com... > ****************************************
I wasn't going to reply, but felt compelled to after reading this second response....
Marjorie, you obviously feel very strongly about these issues. I assume you posted your question here to gain some other opinions. Yet your response to Blanche comes across as very, very harsh and sarcastic. I understand you have strong emotions about your son's progress in school, yet when I read Blanche's initial response to you I got the impression she was merely asking for information to clarify the situation, not to suggest that your son should not be [...]
4259 66 39_[SCJ-PARENTING:5775] Re: Winter lights?11_JX and Soph16_sophjxl@dnai.com29_Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:50:21 EST496_- Hi Hadass,
I'm going to de-lurk for a moment and give you 1) my experience, and 2) my opinion.
1) One year my father decided to build a star of david out of wood which he then put blue and white lights on. In the middle he put a sign which said "Shalom" and he placed the whole thing on our front lawn. It felt great to me, and almost everyone who went by commented favorably. What a relief after public school where the window decorations were xmas trees and santa clauses. [...]
4326 61 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5776] Re: What to do?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:16:40 EST673_- In article , Serge Adam wrote:
>On 14 Nov 2000 15:28:45 -0800, khailer@aol.com (Khailer) wrote: > >>(I'm going to post from my aol account as my other one is having some problems >>getting through to moderated groups for some reason *sigh*) >> >>Saturday, my stepdaughter and I attended a Bat Mitzvah at the congregation to >>which I belong. It really was a lovely ceremony HOWEVER there were a large >>group of young boys behind us really causing problems. They were laughing, >>pounding each other (literally), kicking our chairs, etc. There were not >>parents sitting with these boys and I [...]
4388 45 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5777] Re: What to do?14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:16:51 EST485_- Khailer wrote: > > >In our congregation, first of all, BM age kids must sit with either their > >parent or the teacher (we have hebrew school on Saturday). In addition, > >every BM is staffed by 2 ushers. As a regular volunteer, I would have > >expelled them. > > What about if the kids are "guests" (ie class mates from school) and the > parents aren't there? What do you with a kid that's been expelled from the > service but there's no adult to take responsibility for them? [...]
4434 41 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5778] Re: What to do?10_Serge Adam19_serge.adam@home.com29_Fri, 17 Nov 2000 00:16:57 EST579_- On 15 Nov 2000 12:23:27 -0800, khailer@aol.comcatbox (Khailer) wrote:
>>In our congregation, first of all, BM age kids must sit with either their >>parent or the teacher (we have hebrew school on Saturday). In addition, >>every BM is staffed by 2 ushers. As a regular volunteer, I would have >>expelled them. > >What about if the kids are "guests" (ie class mates from school) and the >parents aren't there? What do you with a kid that's been expelled from the >service but there's no adult to take responsibility for them? > >I'm trying to get some ideas so I can [...]
4476 69 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5779] the December Dilemma (again)12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM29_Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:12:22 EST424_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: Note that the poster is asking for suggestions about raising Jewish children, which falls within the SCJP charter. Please keep this in mind when responding. Responses dealing with mixing the two faiths or advocating "dual-faith" childrearing should be addressed directly to the poster or redirected to another forum. **************************************** [...]
4546 132 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5780] Re: the December Dilemma (again)7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:48:44 EST544_- x-no-archive: yes
>I'm not sure how to handle this....my Gentile inlaws want our kids to at >least >go to their house and help them celebrate xmas with them. I have told my kids >that xmas is not a Jewish holiday, but that they can help others who are not >Jewish celebrate their holiday, if invited to do so. However, I am worried >that >even that allowance may be exploited by my inlaws to try to "push up" xmas >over >Chanukah. They tend to over-do xmas, and I really don't want to over-do >Chanukah. I don't want this to be a [...]
4679 91 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5781] Re: the December Dilemma (again)8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:37:55 EST370_- Conversation between me & my daughter (6yrs old) yesterday when we were shopping for Thanksgiving stuff: DD:Mommy, what's your favorite holiday? Me: Well, maybe Thanksgiving and mayve Pesach.. I like the ones where the whole family gets together. DD: I like Hanukkah! Me: Oh, you just say that because of the presents! DD: NO MOMMY! I like the candles the best!! [...]
4771 93 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:5782] the December dilemma19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:40:09 EST585_-
A few thoughts...
> My husband doesn't see why I am hesitant to even let them spend the day with > their grandparents, he says xmas is a national holiday and has been so > secularized that there is no xian elements left. But I don't agree.
First, the seeds of an appropriate response to your husband lie right within your post. In spite of popular culture's secularization of Christmas, it is and remains a religious holiday. There are no shortage of Christians who do take it seriously. We should have enough respect for their religious beliefs to do the [...]
4865 48 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5783] Discussing the Holocaust with Kids18_Naomi Lynne Pardue29_npardue@steel.ucs.indiana.edu29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 09:41:18 EST455_- How? When?
I will confess that I've been squeamish and managed to avoid the topic up until now, while talking to Shaina (almost 9) about WWII in a far more general sense. ("Why did the war happen?" "Because Germany and Japan wanted to conquer the rest of Europe and Asia." "Why did America fight in the war?" "Because Japan attacked us, and because we believed that Japan/Germany were wrong to try and take over other, innocent countries.") [...]
4914 48 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5784] Re: the December dilemma14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:38:02 EST426_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: > One thing I am wondering is what the heck Boxing Day (December 26) > really is. (Hadass, you live in a former Commonwealth country, can > you help out here?) If, as I think, it is indeed a secular day, > there might be some capital to be gained in having a family get-together > that day, and asking your extended family to compromise on a number > of gifts that you feel comfortable with. [...]
4963 86 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5785] Re: the December dilemma10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:54:54 EST578_-
"Hadass Eviatar" wrote in message news:3A1C46F7.BDD89855@superhwy.net... > Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: > > One thing I am wondering is what the heck Boxing Day (December 26) > > really is. (Hadass, you live in a former Commonwealth country, can > > you help out here?) If, as I think, it is indeed a secular day, > > there might be some capital to be gained in having a family get-together > > that day, and asking your extended family to compromise on a number > > of gifts that you feel comfortable with. > > It's an excellent suggestion, [...]
5050 128 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5786] Re: Discussing the Holocaust with Kids13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com29_Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:33:45 EST551_- Talking about the Holocaust is, in my experience rather like talking about sex. First off all never lie to them about what they ask you about. Second, answer what they ask but not a whole bunch of other things as well. My own children were never protected from the Holocaust. They grew up aware of its reality. I never protected them, likewise, however, I never steeped them in tales of the horror. Children are actually a lot better about this adults. If you are honest about it, they absorb it a bit at a time and learn gradually, first that [...]
5179 61 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5788] Re: the December dilemma0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com29_Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:29:25 EST619_-
Animzirot@home.com writes:
<< Being raised in England as a Jewish child isn't easy, and I can't imagine it it easier anywhere else in Europe outside of the large Jewish populations in Antwerp and Paris. >>
True. British Jews really need each other at Christmastime. Several years ago we had the pleasure of being invited to attend a week-long program for British and European Jews called Limmud. The conference is based in part on the CAJE model, but unlike the U.S. CAJE conference, Limmud is open to entire families, not just professional Jewish educators. It is always held on a college [...]
5241 84 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5789] Re: the December Dilemma (again)19_Stephanie Schneider19_staff@ldorbooks.com29_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:48:21 EST535_- Chana-- You don't say how old your children are, and that has a bearing on what you say to them. Younger children (below 7 or 8) are not as likely to be confused; the hardest age with respect to "keeping things straight" is from about 8 until the teens. From my perspective (a Jewish mother with a degree in child development), YOU will be the greatest impact on them. You have made a commitment to their religious development, and as long as YOU explain the day as "something other people do", their confusion should be small. [...]
5326 57 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:5790] Holiday TV depiction0_18_mtlaaz@my-deja.com29_Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:52:32 EST421_- I'm trying to make this topic a bit broader than my specific inquiry. I was watching "Arthur's Perfect Christmas" with my daughter (she's a big Arthur fan) and it perturbed me a bit. In my recollection, the show has been all non-secular. Then comes this big prime-time holiday special where they make one token character celebrate Hannukah. My 4-yo daughter was all excited "Francine Frensky celebrates Hannukah". [...]
5384 40 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5791] Re: the December dilemma13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com29_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:16:39 EST610_-
NinaSalk@aol.com wrote:
> There is a full day childcare program for the youngest children, > an educational/camp program for school aged kids, and a remarkable > teen group that really functions as a British/Jewish leadership > development program.
We've never been able to afford such stuff. In my family we make it a point to go out to a Chinese restaurant and eat vegetarian and then go to a raucous non Xmassy movie. Does wonders for getting out of that "only person in the world not celebrating" mood. You are surrounded by others who, while not Jews either, are also [...]
5425 41 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5792] Re: the December dilemma12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM29_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:43:53 EST430_- judith said:
> In my family we make it a point to go >out to a Chinese restaurant and eat vegetarian and then go to a raucous non >Xmassy movie.
I didn't know how to handle the xmas week, but the local Chabad has a winter camp for a week that week, and I'm sending my kids to it. It begins 12/26 and I wish it began 12/24 or 12/25 which would solve a lot of problems for me (being from an interfaith family!) [...]
5467 65 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5793] Re: Holiday TV depiction15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:32:33 EST654_- In article <8vsp15$nhj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mtlaaz@my-deja.com wrote:
>I'm trying to make this topic a bit broader than my specific inquiry. I >was watching "Arthur's Perfect Christmas" with my daughter (she's a big >Arthur fan) and it perturbed me a bit. In my recollection, the show has >been all non-secular. Then comes this big prime-time holiday special >where they make one token character celebrate Hannukah. My 4-yo >daughter was all excited "Francine Frensky celebrates Hannukah". > >They also had a token character celebrating Kwanzaa and they did make an >effort to describe both holidays. > >For some reason, I was not happy with [...]
5533 59 41_[SCJ-PARENTING:5794] summer camp already?7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:22:21 EST529_- I was just over at ShalomBoston.com and they had an article about summer camps up at their site. When I mentioned it to a friend, his response was, "Well yeah...if you want to send the boys, now's the time to sign them up."
I know I was thinking about sending my older son to a Jewish overnight camp this year as this is the first year he is too old for the local daycamp he's been attending but normally I don't even begin to think about this stuff until late February. My friend said that by then, all the "good" [...]
5593 94 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5795] Re: summer camp already?12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:27:24 EST542_- I can share my experiences with my 2 girls:
> 1. How old were your kids before sending them off to an overnight camp?
I really wondered about this. I had heard about families sending their children after 1st or 2nd grade and I was horrified! But dutifully around 2nd or 3rd grade I started asking my older daughter if she wanted to go. The answer was always "no." But in 4th grade she told me her best friend wanted to go to a 1-week "encampment" which is essential a mini- summer camp experience to see if you are ready [...]
5688 64 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5796] Re: summer camp already?5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:30:01 EST470_-
khailer@aol.comcatbox (Khailer) writes: > > 1. How old were your kids before sending them off to an overnight camp?
Mine was 9. I was once a counselor for a bunk of 4-5 year olds, who were fine.
> 2. I want my son to be with other Jewish kids his age but I am concerned that > he will feel awkward with kids who are raised more observant, are there more > secular type of camps where being Jewish is part of the culture but not the > focus? [...]
5753 72 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5797] Re: summer camp already?14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com29_Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:40:27 EST446_-
>> 3. Has anyone ever had a child get so homesick they had to go and retrieve >> them?
>While it never happened to me, it did happen to my younger daughter's >best friend at encampment. Generally the counselors are trained in how >to handle these things
[snip]
>Finally the camp director had a discussion with the parents and the >decision was to send her home. I really feel this was an unusual case. [...]
5826 42 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5798] Boxing Day Was: the December dilemma8_yodelady22_yodelady@stny.lrun.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:13:45 EST564_- I lived in England for 8 years and my non-Jewish in-laws explained that years ago, people used to give little boxes to workers like the postman, dustbin men (garbage collectors) milkmen and others like that. I guess they were given little gifts or more probably, tips, like money. In the north especially, some people still use the day to pop in on friends, see the tree and admire all the Christmas cards displayed . Along with the cup of tea, we were always offered a left over piece of the traditional Christmas cake ( a fruitcake made with mostly dried [...]
5869 508 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5799] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 13410_17_dress@juno.com=2029_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:02:25 EST484_- ----__JNP_000_2e16.4b55.6019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii =20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Summer Camp Already?
Dear Karla and other SCJ-Parenting subscribers:
1. How old were your kids before sending them off to an overnight camp?
At her request, my eldest (a daughter) only has attended weeklong USY=20 encampments, which she first attended as a camper the summer after 6th=20 grade (the earliest she could attend as a camper). [...]
6378 69 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5800] Re: the December Dilemma (again)12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:47:42 EST579_- staff@ldorbooks said:
>Chana-- >You don't say how old your children are, and that has a bearing on what you >say to them.
They are 8 1/2, 7 and 2.
>Younger children (below 7 or 8) are not as likely to be >confused; the hardest age with respect to "keeping things straight" is from >about 8 until the teens. From my perspective (a Jewish mother with a degree >in child development), YOU will be the greatest impact on them. You have >made a commitment to their religious development, and as long as YOU explain >the day as "something other people do", [...]
6448 43 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5801] Re: Holiday TV depiction12_Jewish Momma27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:48:55 EST720_- mtlaaz said:
>Are there good kids shows that do a better job of portraying Hannukah? >I like the Rugrats. >
Is Rugrats supposed to be an interfaith family? It comes across to me that way.
Does anyone know?
Shalom,
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6492 38 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5802] any research results?8_yodelady22_yodelady@stny.lrun.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:00:38 EST607_- I am looking for information which I can use to help my son's public school. Specifically, I am hoping to find the results of any survey or study which shows something about the feelings of non-Christians during the Christmas season at schools which include many Christmas activities. I am having trouble reaching the Christian monoculture of teachers, (despite there being a culturally Jewish principal) who have no understanding of what it must be like for certain ethnic minority children at the school such as the Jews and the Jehovah's witnesses who do not participate in many things. This is a [...]
6531 39 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5803] Re: summer camp already?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:03:04 EST506_- My nephews went to Camp Eisner, which I think is in Mass. They are Reform in practice and felt very comfortable there. I also know that the JCC affiliated camps tend to be somewhat secular. As far as age-- most camps start at about 8, but it all depends on your kid. My nephews didn't go until they were 12 and 13. >1. How old were your kids before sending them off to an overnight camp? >2. I want my son to be with other Jewish kids his age but I am concerned that >he will feel awkward with kids [...]
6571 54 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5805] Re: Holiday TV depiction17_Kris Hasson-Jones19_snippy@pacifier.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:58:47 EST441_- Jewish Momma wrote: > > mtlaaz said: > > >Are there good kids shows that do a better job of portraying > >Hannukah? I like the Rugrats.
Shalom Sesame (the Israeli version of Sesame Street) is fun and good. They have a Passover episode and a Hanukka ep--typical mix of short bits, all related (if I recall correctly) to Judaism in some way, with specific skits about the holidays. I got these videotapes at a bookstore I think. [...]
6626 80 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5806] Re: Holiday TV depiction7_Khailer21_khailer@aol.comcatbox29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:58:44 EST490_- >For some reason, I was not happy with the outcome. It seemed strange to >me to suddenly give the characters religion.
I didn't see the special, but this statement is really what struck me.
People don't normally walk around with their religion on their sleeve. Sure, there are those that wear religious jewelry or a kippa or whatever; however, when kids are on a playground or classroom, it's not like religion is normally an issue unless you're in a religious school. [...]
6707 50 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5807] Re: summer camp already?14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:16:43 EST569_-
I want to add one more thing...
about Jewish overnight camps and the relative level of observance. My friend, who is not religious at all, sent her son to Camp Ramah (Conservative). She also had some concerns about whether or not it would be too religious for her son. He had a great time and went back the following year as well. He also made some very close friends, one of whom travelled from another state to attend his Bar Mitzvah. The effort was reciprocated several months later when my friend's son made a similar trip, so he could attend [...]
6758 69 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:5808] summer camp already15_Marjorie Peskin24_mpeskin@lynx.dac.neu.edu29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:20:13 EST563_- Just as a warning, if you life on the left coast, summer camp is probably already filled. Ramah in Ojai CA sent out applications in early Sept. and as afar as I know, were filled the first week of October. My daughter's camp is accepting applications now, but will stop accepting them in Dec. So....if you're hoping to get into a Jewish camp (and that doesn't mean Tawonga, which is NOT a Jewish camp despite it's advertising to the contrary) you better get a moveon. I believe the camp in Oakdale, Camp Arazim, has closed down, leaving Ramah, Newman, and [...]
6828 120 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5809] Re: summer camp already?13_Judith Gordon18_judith011@home.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:24:52 EST359_-
Khailer wrote:
> I was just over at ShalomBoston.com and they had an article about summer camps > up at their site. When I mentioned it to a friend, his response was, "Well > yeah...if you want to send the boys, now's the time to sign them up."
I'm getting heart burn thinking about it. Here's what my expeience suggests. [...]
6949 30 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5810] re: Summer Camp Already?0_16_NinaSalk@aol.com29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:34:28 EST524_- Another resource on Jewish Camping is the Foundation For Jewish Camping. They have a state-by-state listing of Jewish camps for the US and Canada. www.jewishcamping.org.
The site also posts jobs available at some of these camps. -- Nina Salkin
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6980 86 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5811] Re: Holiday TV depiction15_Claire Petersky23_cpetersky@earthlink.net29_Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:38:04 EST392_- > > Is Rugrats supposed to be an interfaith family? It comes across to > > me that way. > > > > Does anyone know? > > Not for sure--DeeDee's parents are definitely Jewish, belong to a > temple and celebrate the holidays, but I don't know whether DeeDee > herself practices any kind of Judaism in the Pickles home. I've > certainly never seen anything like Shabbat or saying blessings. [...]