1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting September 2000 2 112 86_[SCJ-PARENTING:5457] Re: membership/religious school (resend - originally dated 8/29))13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net28_Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:16:45 EDT601_- As the outgoing chair of our Temple's school committee, maybe I can shed some light on the matter.

First of all, please accept my hopes that the health problems your family has suffered have been resolved and that you are all enjoying better health.

As for the Religious school - As a general rule, it is impossible to cover all of a Religious School's expenses through tuition and fees. At best, tuition and fees cover from 30%-50% of the schools expenses. The remainder is subsidized by Temple dues. Some synagogues reduce this amount by using volunteers who are Temple members [...] 115 40 86_[SCJ-PARENTING:5458] Re: membership/religious school (resend - originally dated 8/29))5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com28_Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:39:02 EDT310_- This is why I love Chabad-Lubavitch. They take care of the Jewish children (and adults) that others cannot take care of, or won't. I don't know how they do it! If not for them, my children would have no Jewish education at all.

That is, of course, assuming you want to be Orthodox (which we do.) [...] 156 217 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5459] Re: membership/religious school12_Karen Carter19_tkre@mindspring.com28_Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:53:33 EDT686_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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skip talking to the treasurer- go for the Rabbi. Explain all the = financial dealings. Volunteer at the school or any board committee. = The more people who know your story the better your chances of getting = schooling and even membership reduced. Above all, especially if your = community is large- it's easy for one family to get lost in the shuffle = of paperwork. Set up face-to-face meetings. Invite the rabbi for = dinner. Invite the treasurer and his family. Jump in with both [...] 374 33 45_[SCJ-PARENTING:5460] Free Rosh Hashanah book!8_Jlftobey16_jlftobey@aol.com28_Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:32:06 EDT549_- Hi,

Just making sure you all got to see the free Rosh Hashanah Yom Kippur Survival Kit by Shimon Apisdorf on www.jewishworldreview.com. It's such an excellent book and they're giving it away free! It's on aol jewish chat as the book of the week for 11.95!

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============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 408 32 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:5461] New to group12_bryan martha19_bmartha@hotmail.com28_Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:56:01 EDT320_- I just wanted to say hello to the group. I am a Jewish mother that was not raised in the faith and have only recently begun attending services. I've been to a total of four Friday services so far, so I'll be mostly listening. Any encouragement or instruction you can offer me would most certainly be appreciated. [...] 441 63 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5462] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:33:27 EDT367_- In article , fredr5@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) wrote: . You just > can't wrestle with a 2.5 year old girl, no matter how involved her brother > is in "playing rough". So I wouldn't necessarily discount the value of > differentiated Jewish gender roles in the hopes of avoiding differentiation > altogether. [...] 505 60 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5463] Re: Jewish Practices for PDD Child8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 08:37:24 EDT458_- In article , fredr5@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) wrote: > In article , "Dansicker > Family" wrote: > > >Any advice on raising a Jewish Child with PDD? We are a Conservative > >Observant Family but as English is barely accessible > >Hebrew is out of the question.David has learned basic Blessings/Barachot by > >rote. What next??? [...] 566 40 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5464] Re: membership/religious school14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:34:50 EDT363_- Chana34@aol.com wrote: > > With all the hype about losing out to the non-jewish world, can someone > please explain to me why you can't send your child to religious school > without > being a member of the temple.

I'd say it depends on your shul. Maybe you need to look for a more menschelik one. The one you have obviously doesn't meet your needs. [...] 607 161 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5465] Re: Veggie Tales8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:35:52 EDT369_- In article , "Frank Pantaleo" wrote: > > Hi! > > I haven't seen the Veggie Tales, so I am not going to comment on them > specifically, but for myself, I want my children to learn morality within a > Jewish context. Just because it doesn't have references to Jesus, it doesn't > make it Jewish. [...] 769 63 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5466] Re: membership...etc.15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 13:40:24 EDT581_- In article <3d.5f0b75.26e00bef@aol.com>, Chana34@aol.com wrote:

>In response to ken's comments. >As far as rules I can't live with. First, if the back debt is part of the >problem, and we are trying get it paid off not add to it, why would I go >somewhere else where they don't know us, and ask for financial assistance. >This is not the first shul we tried to join. I went looking for about 8 >months to find one where both my husband and myself were comfortable (another >caveat-I am intermarried.). When I brought up the subject of consideration I >was first told [...] 833 46 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5467] Re: Veggie Tales15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:27:51 EDT382_- In article <8p1m66$9lp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tampamom wrote:

>Even the "Bible Verse" at the end...while it may have come from the New >Testament, ... >But since all the OP had asked was about specific Christian content, the >answer is no.

I would think that any series that uses New Testament quotes has revealed the source of it's outlook. [...] 880 93 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5468] Re: membership/religious school8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:48:17 EDT678_- In article <8opdmm$5sn$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Karen Carter" wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C01208.FC746A20 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > skip talking to the treasurer- go for the Rabbi. Explain all the = > financial dealings. Volunteer at the school or any board committee. = > The more people who know your story the better your chances of getting = > schooling and even membership reduced. Above all, especially if your = > community is large- it's easy for one family to get lost in the shuffle = > of paperwork. [...] 974 84 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5469] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:39:42 EDT655_- In article <8p1jqk$7ap$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tampamom wrote:

>In article , > fredr5@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) wrote: >. You just >> can't wrestle with a 2.5 year old girl, no matter how involved her >brother >> is in "playing rough". So I wouldn't necessarily discount the value >of >> differentiated Jewish gender roles in the hopes of avoiding >differentiation >> altogether. > > >Just had to put in my 2 cents here. I must certainly disagree with the >above statement...I think it is a very blanket generalization which >bears little to no resemblence to reality. [...] 1059 35 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5470] Re: membership/religious school15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:11:10 EDT463_- In article <8p1j5i$6ma$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tampamom wrote:



> >I had applied to the local Federation/Jewish Family Services for financial >aid for my kids preschool tuition. I was denied.

This is a major problem with Federations everywhere. We have to determine some way to straighten out their priorities, which place Jewish education low on the list, or redirect our tzedakah money in more positive directions. [...] 1095 55 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:5471] Learning to be Jewish ...HELP!12_bryan martha19_bmartha@hotmail.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:11:16 EDT533_- I am Jewish but never raised that way. Now, I have two small children and I feel the need to raise them as part of the community. They are still too small to really participate, but I figured I had better start learning soon. Are there any good books you would suggest to help me learn the rituals (not sure that's the right word), laws, etc. I have just begun attending a reform temple, and have only met the rabbi twice (briefly -- he's been on vacation). I spoke with him last Friday and he thought it would be appropriate [...] 1151 118 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5472] Re: New to group10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 02:58:39 EDT469_-

"bryan martha" wrote in message news:8JHs5.23366$C42.987553@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net .... > I just wanted to say hello to the group. I am a Jewish mother that was not > raised in the faith and have only recently begun attending services. I've > been to a total of four Friday services so far, so I'll be mostly listening. > Any encouragement or instruction you can offer me would most certainly be > appreciated. > > Carley [...] 1270 40 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5473] Re: Parents of two different faiths5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:48:27 EDT710_- Fred Rosenblatt wrote:

>Affiliation with the Jewish people >in general was always matrilinear. >

Not "always". If so, then many of King David's and King Solomon's children would not be Jews.



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============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1311 50 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5474] Re: membership/religious school15_Daniel P Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:17:34 EDT599_- > >With all the hype about losing out to the non-jewish world, can someone > >please explain to me why you can't send your child to religious school > >without > >being a member of the temple.

Our congregation has been exploring this, and thinking about a special=20 "associate membership" of some low rate that would enable one to use = the=20 school, feel like one was supporting the congregation, without the full = rate=20 that comes with HHD tickets. Does something like a low-cost (150-300$)=20 education membership sound like it would work (school fees would be = extra;=20 the [...] 1362 161 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5475] Re: membership/religious school13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:32:41 EDT595_- As the outgoing chair of our Temple's school committee, maybe I can shed some light on the matter.

First of all, please accept my hopes that the health problems your family has suffered have been resolved and that you are all enjoying better = health.

As for the Religious school - As a general rule, it is impossible to cover all of a Religious School's expenses through tuition and fees. At best, tuition and fees cover from 30%-50% of the schools expenses. The remainder is subsidized by Temple dues. Some synagogues reduce this amount by using volunteers who are Temple [...] 1524 53 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5476] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 126422_Rabbi Richard Schachet16_lvrabbi@lvcm.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:42:47 EDT447_- Is there a Bureau of Jewish Education near you-- Also try the Rabbinical Schools in N.Y.C.

Rabbi Richard Schachet Valley Outreach Synagogue www.valleyoutreach.com=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Discussions about raising Jewish children" To: "Discussions about raising Jewish children" =

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1264 [...] 1578 58 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5477] Re: membership...etc.14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:50:40 EDT466_- If you live in a suburb, consider sending your daughter into the city for religious school. You may find that the struggling inner-city congregations=

have more sympathy, especially if you are willing to commit to joining the congregation, and you may also find more diverse membership.=20

(I am NOT saying that suburban congregations in general are less sympathetic, it's just that this poster seems to have found it so in her particular area) [...] 1637 86 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5478] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:37:52 EDT530_-

I'm also, like Fred, a parent of boy/girl twins. And I'd have to agree with him, although my daughter does like the rough and tumble, she is more of the tickling, kissing, raspberry kind of snuggler, while her brother is much more the headlock, knee in the groin type of snuggler. :-) Both have their own charms. :-) > > My daughter's idea of wrestling with me was to run across the room and > throw herself into my arms for a hug. Any actual "wresting" usually > meant that she got hurt. And she was by no means a [...] 1724 78 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5479] Re: membership/religious school10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:22:53 EDT370_- > >I had applied to the local Federation/Jewish Family Services for financial > >aid for my kids preschool tuition. I was denied. > > This is a major problem with Federations everywhere. We have to determine > some way to straighten out their priorities, which place Jewish education > low on the list, or redirect our tzedakah money in more positive directions. [...] 1803 98 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5480] Re: Learning to be Jewish ...HELP!15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:44:18 EDT623_- In article , "bryan martha" wrote:

>I am Jewish but never raised that way. Now, I have two small children and I >feel the need to raise them as part of the community. They are still too >small to really participate, but I figured I had better start learning soon. >Are there any good books you would suggest to help me learn the rituals (not >sure that's the right word), laws, etc. I have just begun attending a >reform temple, and have only met the rabbi twice (briefly -- he's been on >vacation). I spoke with him last Friday [...] 1902 83 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:5481] Learning to be Jewish ...HELP!15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov28_Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:21:49 EDT343_-

I'm responding to "bryan martha" who wrote: I am Jewish but never raised that way. Now, I have two small children and = I feel the need to raise them as part of the community. [snip] Are there = any good books you would suggest to help me learn the rituals (not sure that's the right word), laws, etc. =20 [...] 1986 110 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5482] Re: Learning to be Jewish -- HELP!0_15_TAlpert@aol.com28_Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:00:21 EDT442_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: ***** MODERATOR'S NOTE: This poster writes from his perspective as a Reform rabbi. Most of what he says about Reform "conversion" courses is true as well of such courses within other movements. These are usually known as "Intro to Judaism" courses, because there is NEVER a requirement that participants will convert to Judaism. ***** **************************************** [...] 2097 47 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:5483] Children and prayer16_Carley and Bryan18_carley@writeme.com29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:07:11 EDT319_- As I am learning more about Judaism, I am trying to implement small pieces into my life as I learn them. I came across some of the standard prayers yesterday. I would like my children (and myself) to begin saying the prayers at waking and bedtime as well as at meals, which has prompted the following questions: [...] 2145 50 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5484] Re: Children and prayer15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:33:30 EDT638_- In article , "Carley and Bryan" wrote:

>As I am learning more about Judaism, I am trying to implement small pieces >into my life as I learn them. I came across some of the standard prayers >yesterday. I would like my children (and myself) to begin saying the >prayers at waking and bedtime as well as at meals, which has prompted the >following questions: > >Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most of the >transliterated words, should I at least teach my children to say the prayers >in the English translation? I [...] 2196 37 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5485] Re: Children and Prayer15_Steven Polinsky25_spolinsk@bellatlantic.net29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:20:23 EDT336_- Your rabbi should be able to guide you to a number of recordings available for teaching blessings and daily prayers to your children, which you could all listen to together. The names escape my right now, but artists like Paul Zim have tapes, aimed at youngsters, on which many of the common songs, and some blessings, are sung. [...] 2234 45 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5486] Re: Children and prayer14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:20:41 EDT521_- Carley and Bryan wrote: > > I am interested in knowing how you approached this with your own children. > I'm not sure mine would be as interested or even able to understand the > prayers if we do them in Hebrew. They are 5 and 3.

I started singing the Sh'ma at bedtime to my boys pretty much at birth. They don't really understand the words, but they know it's a bedtime prayer. Ditto for the morning prayer (Modeh [Modah for a girl] ani). When they are old enough we discuss what it means, but I do try to [...] 2280 44 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5487] Re: membership/religious school8_MrBob55816_mrbob558@aol.com29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:03:48 EDT556_- > This is a major problem with Federations everywhere. We >have to determine >> some way to straighten out their priorities, which place >Jewish education >> low on the list, or redirect our tzedakah money in more >positive directions.

Absoultutely. I think they have gotten better than in past years, but its a shame how little of Federation Money goes to Jewish Education.>I'm hoping to take them up on their offer when I try to pay >for overnight summer camp for my twins, payment due exactly >when the day school first tuition payment is [...] 2325 51 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5488] Re: Children and prayer47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287918_jones@cs.uiowa.edu29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:04:44 EDT397_- >From article , by "Carley and Bryan" :

> Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most of the > transliterated words, should I at least teach my children to say the prayers > in the English translation? I don't want to stumble through the Hebrew and > teach them something wrong. [...] 2377 69 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5489] Re: Children and prayer13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net29_Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:04:16 EDT607_-

"Carley and Bryan" wrote in message news:eBUt5.30758$C42.1349475@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > As I am learning more about Judaism, I am trying to implement small pieces > into my life as I learn them. I came across some of the standard prayers > yesterday. I would like my children (and myself) to begin saying the > prayers at waking and bedtime as well as at meals, which has prompted the > following questions: > > Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most of the > transliterated words, should I at least teach my children to say [...] 2447 46 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5491] Re: Children and Prayer0_15_TAlpert@aol.com29_Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:26:10 EDT353_- Carley:

If I remember right, the rabbi you have spoken with is affiliated with a Reform congregation. If so, he or she will have easy access to an inexpensive paperback home prayerbook, with an accompanying tape or CD in which all the blessings are sung in Hebrew. This is put out by the UAHC (the umbrella group of Reform congregations). [...] 2494 66 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5492] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 127414_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:40:13 EDT572_- Carley raised a very interesting question:

>As I am learning more about Judaism, I am trying to implement small = pieces >into my life as I learn them. =20

That's a great way to do it, so that it doesn't overwhelm you.

>I came across some of the standard prayers >yesterday. I would like my children (and myself) to begin saying the >prayers at waking and bedtime as well as at meals, which has prompted the >following questions: > >Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most of = the >transliterated words, should I [...] 2561 77 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5493] Re: Children and prayer15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:53:48 EDT672_- In article <001f01c01c31$f3924ac0$8ba0a818@gradient.com>, "Adelle Stavis" wrote:

>"Carley and Bryan" wrote in message >news:eBUt5.30758$C42.1349475@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... >> As I am learning more about Judaism, I am trying to implement small = pieces >> into my life as I learn them. I came across some of the standard = prayers >> yesterday. I would like my children (and myself) to begin saying the >> prayers at waking and bedtime as well as at meals, which has prompted = the >> following questions: >> >> Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most = of >the >> [...] 2639 64 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5494] Re: membership/religious school15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:45:54 EDT424_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: MODERATOR'S NOTE: This post is being allowed as a follow-up on a Jewish parenting issue (school dues). If you respond to this post, please ensure that your comments deal with issues of Jewish parenting and that they ADD to the discussion (please don't post just to say "me, too!" or "aren't school dues awful?"). :-) **************************************** [...] 2704 67 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5495] Re: Children and prayer15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:01:21 EDT548_- Certainly don't start using Hebrew until you yourself are comfortable that = your Hebrew pronounciation approximates the right sounds of the words. = The kids need to hear from the beginning the right way to pronounce words = such as Baruch (blessed) which starts most blessings. (It is a hard 'H' = (Kh) said in the back of the throat like in CHanukah and not an English Ch = as in Chip.) =20 In our family, the way we've handled Hebrew/English has depended on the = length of the prayer. The prayer over bread and wine (grape juice) are = [...] 2772 39 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5496] Child's Questions About G-d8_VeraAloe16_veraaloe@aol.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:44:12 EDT353_- My preschooler has been asking questions about G-d. I'm guessing these questions are surfacing because he now attends a JCC school and Temple Sunday School.

Where is G-d? What does he look like? Does he talk? These are some of his questions.

Can anyone recommend a book that would help me answer these, and other related questions? [...] 2812 144 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5497] Re: Veggie Tales8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:33:22 EDT498_- In article , fredr5@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) wrote: > In article <8p1m66$9lp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tampamom > wrote: > > >Even the "Bible Verse" at the end...while it may have come from the New > >Testament, > ... > >But since all the OP had asked was about specific Christian content, the > >answer is no. > > I would think that any series that uses New Testament quotes has revealed > the source of it's outlook. [...] 2957 141 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5498] Re: Learning to be Jewish ...HELP!8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:36:31 EDT583_- In article , "bryan martha" wrote: > I am Jewish but never raised that way. Now, I have two small children and I > feel the need to raise them as part of the community. They are still too > small to really participate, but I figured I had better start learning soon. > Are there any good books you would suggest to help me learn the rituals (not > sure that's the right word), laws, etc. I have just begun attending a > reform temple, and have only met the rabbi twice (briefly -- he's been on > [...] 3099 58 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5499] Re: Child's Questions About G-d5_Karla16_karla@ntcorp.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:51:02 EDT430_- x-no-archive: yes

VeraAloe wrote: >=20 > My preschooler has been asking questions about G-d. I'm guessing these > questions are surfacing because he now attends a JCC school and Temple = Sunday > School. >=20 > Where is G-d? What does he look like? Does he talk? These are some of = his > questions. >=20 > Can anyone recommend a book that would help me answer these, and other = related > questions? >=20 > Thanks. [...] 3158 65 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5500] Re: Children and prayer5_Karla16_karla@ntcorp.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:04:02 EDT399_- x-no-archive: yes

(I'm hoping this gets through as sometimes I have a problem reaching my moderated newsgroups.)

> Since I don't know Hebrew and have no idea how to even pronounce most of the > transliterated words, should I at least teach my children to say the prayers > in the English translation? I don't want to stumble through the Hebrew and > teach them something wrong. [...] 3224 32 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5501] Re: Veggie Tales14_Jan Silbermann16_js@cs.tulane.edu29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:57:35 EDT293_- This brings up something that bother me a lot. Does anyone else get really frustrated that there just aren't any quality Jewish videos or software? We don't have anything as good as Veggie Tales, no software as good as I the secular software my kids have. And I have looked and looked. [...] 3257 114 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5502] Re: Veggie Tales15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:53:21 EDT569_- [Moderator's note: Any follow-ups, please comment within a Jewish = parenting context, e.g. the level of torah study that is appropriate for = children and Jewish learning materials for children.]=20

In article <8pmg6q$s5g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Tampamom = wrote:

>In article , > fredr5@juno.com (Fred Rosenblatt) wrote:



>>our Rabbis reveal to us insights into the actual intention of the = passage that >>are crucial to a correct and valuable understanding. > [...] 3372 81 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5503] Re: Children and Prayer16_Carley and Bryan18_carley@writeme.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:20:44 EDT580_- There's a special home prayerbook?? I am SOOO glad I found you guys! Thank you rabbi! I am going to call my rabbi tomorrow and ask about obtaining this. Life is so much easier once you know the secrets!

Carley wrote in message news:6d.92ed49d.26ef374e@aol.com... > Carley: > > If I remember right, the rabbi you have spoken with is affiliated with a > Reform congregation. If so, he or she will have easy access to an > inexpensive paperback home prayerbook, with an accompanying tape or CD in > which all the blessings are sung in Hebrew. This is [...] 3454 123 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5504] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 127416_Carley and Bryan18_carley@writeme.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:52:22 EDT338_- How I WISH I lived in your area! *grin* The people at "my" temple are nice, and very welcoming, but I've never been on to say, "Hi. I don't = know you, but I need you to teach me everything you know. How does tomorrow at 7pm sound?" I know I need to ask for help, but it's so much harder when = you have to do it in person. *sigh* [...] 3578 88 68_[SCJ-PARENTING:5505] Rise and Shine/Flood Stories (was Veggie Tales)15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:53:07 EDT569_- In a previous post a reader quoted the song Rise and Shine about the = Flood:

>Many,many stories >are presented as just that...stories. Our temple preschool even uses >songs to present initial concepts of Bible Stories: ie. the song "Rise >And Shine". Some might object to it's use based on it's origins, >however all my 3 year old daughter knows is that "after Noah built the >ark, the animals came on by twosies,twosies...elefants and kangaroosies" >She doesn't question or care WHY 2 of each animal was required...for >her it's just part of the story. [...] 3667 130 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5506] Re: Children and Prayer12_Perry Donham19_pdonham@cuseeme.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:04:38 EDT506_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE: This website seems to be working again now. ****************************************



There's also a fun CDROM, "Virtual Shabbat," that features spoken and chanted blessings for the various Shabbat rituals and services. Songs, too. It comes with a transliterated siddur. $20 or so from the National Jewish Outreach Program, 1-888-SHABBAT in the USA. The web site is www.njop.org, however it doesn't appear to be up right now. [...] 3798 48 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5507] Re: Children and prayer16_Carley and Bryan18_carley@writeme.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:23:48 EDT635_-

"Karla" wrote in message news:39BF833F.97ED63E1@ntcorp.com... > x-no-archive: yes > I have always felt, and this is my opinion, that you need to understand why you are doing something, not just do it. Without meaning to the action, the action is empty and, well, meaningless.

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Well put! I'm afraid that I won't be the best teacher for my kids because I'm only 1/2 a step ahead of them (if that!). The suggestions that everyone is offering are great, and I think the rabbi and I will have a good conversation tomorrow! I didn't know the right questions to ask, [...] 3847 110 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5508] Re: Children and prayer10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:14:42 EDT513_- > > I feel that kids should understand the prayers they're saying so they > aren't empty words, so we talk about that a lot in the car or in other > appropriate situations. (Like, why do you think we said this particular > prayer tonight?) If you think along the terms of the four questions in > the Seder and apply it to "real life," you and your children will > benefit. One of the common complaints I hear from teens (not just > Jewish ones I should add...all faiths) is, "I don't know why I say this > [...] 3958 44 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5509] Re: Veggie Tales15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:40:59 EDT468_- In article <8pnv3a$dv0$1@rs10.tcs.tulane.edu>, js@cs.tulane.edu (Jan Silbermann) wrote:

>This brings up something that bother me a lot. Does anyone else >get really frustrated that there just aren't any quality Jewish videos >or software? We don't have anything as good as Veggie Tales, no software >as good as I the secular software my kids have. >And I have looked and looked. > >Jan, mommy to Tovah (10) Eliana (8) Asher (5) David (2) >Shoshana (7mo) [...] 4003 171 69_[SCJ-PARENTING:5510] 42 websites about Rosh Hashana (Jewish New Year)0_24_jrichman2816@my-deja.com29_Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:32:24 EDT378_- Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year 5761, begins Friday evening, September 29, 2000 and continues until Sunday evening, October 1, 2000.

Below are 42 websites about Rosh Hashana ranging from laws and customs to games and recipes. For your convenience, the sites are also hyper-linked online at: http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-hdayrh.htm

Happy New Year! Jacob [...] 4175 49 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5511] Re: Veggie Tales2_me17_mhlkn@hotmail.com29_Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:39:16 EDT562_- How about the quote from the beginning of the Josh and the big wall story: "Sunday morning values, Saturday morning fun!" I consider this Christian ( or at least not Jewish...) content... Also in this same video (which is about obedience to G-d) they talk about all the things G-d tells us to do, along with "turning the other cheek" (in quotes because it's a paraphrase, I don't remember the exact words...) and other things that are from the NT, not the Tanach... I do find these videos very Christian and have watched a number of them. I just remember [...] 4225 65 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:5512] Re: Rise and Shine/Flood Stories (was Veggie Tales)5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:17:05 EDT542_-

"Irene Bleiweiss" writes: > In a previous post a reader quoted the song Rise and Shine about the > Flood: > > The song Rise and Shine has also been useful in interesting my children in > Noah and the Flood. But there is an important Jewish concept not included > in the song that I've always stressed in using this song with Jewish > children. > > [snip] > > As the child grows, there are lots of questions based on Noah that could > get a child interested in looking up answers in Torah commentary with the [...] 4291 66 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:5513] Re: Rise and Shine/Flood Stories (was Veggie Tales)8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com29_Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:30:18 EDT583_- In article <8pt72q$hvs$1@news.btv.ibm.com>, kgold@watson.ibm.com (kgold) wrote: > > "Irene Bleiweiss" writes: > > In a previous post a reader quoted the song Rise and Shine about the > > Flood: > Among the many problems with the song is the ending: > > "The sun came out and dried up the land > Everything was fine and grand" > > In fact, when the flood receded, what Noah saw was complete > destruction, with waterlogged, rotting human and animal corpses > everywhere. > > The sunshine, rainbow, green grass, and birds singing are Disney, not > Torah. > > [...] 4358 49 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5514] Re: Learning to be Jewish...HELP!!19_Stephanie Schneider17_ldorbooks@usa.net29_Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:41:32 EDT523_-

Carly (and others)--

Mazel tov on making the choice to introduce your children to a Jewish upbringing. This is a great forum to learn, and you have already received plenty of information. You asked about books--here are several:

1. The Jewish Home: A Guide for Jewish Living (Daniel Syme). This book has explanations AND directions for lighting candles, observing Rosh Hashanah, and plenty of other things you'll want to know--written from a Reform perspective. It's available from Amazon.com. [...] 4408 84 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5515] Turning the other cheek... a JEWISH value?0_20_J3fer@hotmail.com=2029_Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:30:11 EDT387_- "me" wrote: > about obedience to G-d) they talk ... "turning the other cheek" > and other things that are from the NT, > not the Tanach...

This poster asserts that "turning the other cheek" is something we DON'T want to teach our kids, because it originated with the "New Testament." In fact, this was originally a Jewish value, one which we could all learn a lesson from. [...] 4493 34 72_[SCJ-PARENTING:5516] Re: Rise and Shine/Flood Stories (was Veggie Tales)7_RALubow15_ralubow@aol.com29_Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:37:31 EDT285_- <> [...] 4528 72 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5517] Re: Turning the other cheek... a JEWISH value?5_Karla16_karla@ntcorp.com29_Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:17:25 EDT511_- x-no-archive: yes

J3fer@hotmail.com=20 wrote: > I agree that Jewish values are different from Xtian ones... but isn't > it our responsibility to reclaim our own wherever possible? Someday, > missionaries will confront our kids, telling them that Jesus originated > the idea of "turning the other cheek," and of a loving, forgiving G-d. > And if we don't teach them any better, they could end up believing that > Judaism doesn't embrace these values... and turning to another religion > that does. [...] 4601 41 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5518] Re: Turning the other cheek... a JEWISH value?5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:03:33 EDT490_- The best way to insure that your children will not be snared by missionaries is to give them:

a) genuine Jewish values and a quality Torah education;

b) no religious hypocrisy on the part of parents;

c) a genuine, authentic, JOYFUL Judaism.

Chana ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* Come home----the door is always open! http://www.jewsforjudaism.org http://www.outreachjudaism.org http://www.drazin.com *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* [...] 4643 33 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5519] Curriculum for Jewish preschool?14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:04:49 EDT125_- Does anybody have a source for a good curriculum for a Jewish preschool? Thanks!

Kol tuv, shana tova, Hadass

4677 36 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5522] Re: Curriculum for Jewish Preschool14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:46:33 EDT516_- If you can, try contacting the BJE (Board of Jewish Education) in Manhattan, New York. Good luck, Aliza





>Does anybody have a source for a good curriculum for a Jewish preschool? >Thanks! > >Kol tuv, shana tova, Hadass >

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 4714 39 43_[SCJ-PARENTING:5523] Does anyone know of...5_Karla16_karla@ntcorp.com29_Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:12:53 EDT303_- A good audio or video tape series to help teach Hebrew to an older kid? My 11 year old has a non-verbal learning disability and tends to respond better to audio-visual cues. I would like to supplement some of his tutoring and Hebrew School, but all I can find are the travel tape type of things. [...] 4754 75 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5525] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12850_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:41:08 EDT654_- Dear Hadass and Hevreh,

Every major congregational movement maintains a Department of Education which services their constituents, and I know that United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism does, 212-533-7800.

In addition, they have a major Program Bank which contains materials for many years of the best examples of programs for Life Cycle events, all of the Calendar Cycle moments and a wide variety of programming for every age group in informal education as well as formal education. Every Region has a Regional Director with support services for this kind of question and every other aspect of maintaining a vital, creative and [...] 4830 42 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:5526] small kvell13_Adelle Stavis28_ppcuthbertsonqq@mediaone.net29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:54:22 EDT463_- My daughter attends public school and is 4th grade. Yesterday was chorus audition day. She has been practicing a Brittany Spears song for two weeks (yuck).

After yesterday's audition, she told me she made it into the chorus but she sang Ein Keloheinu instead. : )

Dilemma - How can I (a card carrying ACLU member) explain to my 9 yr. old the inappropriateness of her choice of song for a public school chorus, while grinning from ear to ear? [...] 4873 37 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5527] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 128512_Elissa Bortz22_elissajb@earthlink.net29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:25:19 EDT365_- Hello, a good place to contact would be the Jewish Education Center of Cleveland. I used to work there before I gave birth to my twins ( Eliana and Elon) 22 months ago. Ask for the head of the curriculum dpt Nachama Moskowitz, and she can point you in the right direction. Thier number is 216-371-0446. You can also check out their web page at www.jecc.org. [...] 4911 33 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:5528] Jewish Homeschooling Resources10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:26:49 EDT358_- I know this has been covered previously, but deja.com is no longer providing back archives, so I guess I have to ask anew. What are the available resources, both online and offline, for Jewish homeschoolers? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. And I know there is a mailing list for Jewish homeschoolers, but don't know how to find it. Anyone? [...] 4945 80 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5529] Re: small kvell11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:53:20 EDT552_-

Adelle Stavis wrote in message <007b01c02893$9faa1000$8ba0a818@ne.mediaone.net>... >My daughter attends public school and is 4th grade. Yesterday was chorus >audition day. She has been practicing a Brittany Spears song for two weeks >(yuck). > >After yesterday's audition, she told me she made it into the chorus but she >sang Ein Keloheinu instead. : ) > >Dilemma - How can I (a card carrying ACLU member) explain to my 9 yr. old >the inappropriateness of her choice of song for a public school chorus, >while grinning from ear to ear? [...] 5026 39 47_[SCJ-PARENTING:5530] Re: Does anyone know of...15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:02:07 EDT400_- In article <39D22BB7.B234F603@ntcorp.com>, Karla wrote:

>A good audio or video tape series to help teach Hebrew to an older kid? >My 11 year old has a non-verbal learning disability and tends to respond >better to audio-visual cues. I would like to supplement some of his >tutoring and Hebrew School, but all I can find are the travel tape type >of things. > >Thanks [...] 5066 42 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5531] Re: Jewish Homeschooling Resources5_Chana27_yiddishemameh@aol.comNOSPAM29_Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:27:39 EDT442_- animzmirot said:

>What are the available resources, both online and >offline, for Jewish homeschoolers? Any pointers would be >greatly appreciated. And I know there is a mailing list for >Jewish homeschoolers, but don't know how to find it. Anyone? >

Go to: http://www.bnoshenya.org

That website will have everything you need to find Jewish homeschoolers on the net, off the net, and Jewish educational resources. [...]