1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting August 2000 2 100 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5346] Re: Managing the bar mitzvah year12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:12:31 EDT555_- Dana, I will be entering "the bat mitzvah year" in a couple of months. My advantage is that I've already survived my older daughter's bat mitzvah :-).

Don't worry about Max's voice. My older daughter can't carry a tune. But she learned the Hebrew well. Then I sat with her each night and went over her portion -- over and over. I think I still have it memorized! The end result was that while nobody is going to recruit her for the choir, she sang her portion clearly, confidently and recognizably. In fact, the end result was not a musical [...] 103 66 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5347] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:37:31 EDT649_-

"Irene Bleiweiss" wrote in message news:s98599d7.069@gwmail.fcc.gov... I wonder how Marjorie and others who have non-Jews in their household for extended periods of time handle differences about Shabbos observance.

While I think it is wonderful to participate in an exchange of culture, I wonder how the student will react to a culture of not being able to write, draw, cook, turn on the lights, TV/computer, etc. on the Sabbath. My kids still find this difficult though we have be Shabbos observant for several years. If you would not require a non-Jewish member of your household to keep Shabbos, how will [...] 170 151 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5348] Re: Managing the bar mitzvah year10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:58:42 EDT520_- We went through this last year & I posted my comments at the time but here are a few extra on your variuos points.

First, what is your purpose in holding this event? If it isn't so that he can master a certain amount of material (yes, Reform do have knowledge standards), what is it? Is it to have a family party? Is it to be like his friends? Is it because it is "expected" among people you know? This is an important question to answer before you do any planning. > > We are firmly Reform, so answers to [...] 322 31 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5349] Re: Learning through Song20_Wendy & Larry Darrow17_ldarrow@flash.net28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:24:30 EDT534_- I am not certain if you will find exactly what you are looking for here, but there is lots of neat things. I do know they have a pretty good music and video section that has Alef-Bet Videos. Maybe that would help? www.judaicaforkids.com

Good Luck! Wendy

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 354 66 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5350] Re: Managing the bar mitzvah year18_Kathe Izen-mondlak15_kimond@home.com28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:21:40 EDT588_- I would like to address the bar/bat mitzvah celebration discussion from a different point of view. This past year I started tutoring Torah and Haftorah and was able to see how different families plan, prepare and ultimately celebrate. The first thing I quickly realized is that the year or so of preparation is also a learning year for many parents, siblings and grandparents, who hadn't ever had an aliyah, or who hadn't since their own bar/bat mitzvah day. I made tapes for them, too. Some kids with various learning challenges made decisions to have an aliyah and a parent read [...] 421 56 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5351] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home16_Evelyn C. Leeper24_eleeper@jagon.lucent.com28_Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:23:01 EDT600_- In article , Irene Bleiweiss wrote: > I wonder how Marjorie and others who have non-Jews in their household for > extended periods of time handle differences about Shabbos observance. > > While I think it is wonderful to participate in an exchange of culture, I > wonder how the student will react to a culture of not being able to write, > draw, cook, turn on the lights, TV/computer, etc. on the Sabbath. My kids > still find this difficult though we have be Shabbos observant for several > years. If you would not require a non-Jewish member [...] 478 59 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5353] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12410_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:15:50 EDT390_- Dear Hevreh,

Regarding the visit of another into the household, why is it necessary for that person to change their lifestyle when it doesn't impinge on the observance of others?

A non-Jew/Gentile could certainly learn to observe kashrut in the home and cooperate. But Shabbat in the privacy of their room doesn't have to be observed, vis a vis writing, computer, etc. [...] 538 47 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5354] Re: Learning through Song8_VeraAloe16_veraaloe@aol.com28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:29:22 EDT342_- Our temple does this song with the kids that incorporates Shabbat and body parts:

I've got that Shabbat feeling, up in my rosh (means head). Up in my rosh, Up in my rosh. I've got that Shabbat feeling up in my rosh; up in my rosh today.

I've got that Shabbat feeling, inside lev my (heart)...repeat like first body part. [...] 586 117 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5355] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:14:22 EDT459_-

"Benjamin Hurwitz" wrote in message news:3984DCCA.44AA4E57@blaze.net.au... > animzmirot wrote: > > May I humbly suggest that you speak to a Rabbi about the various > implications of having a Non-Jewish student in your home for a year. > It goes far more that teaching him about Kashrut. They include, but > not limited to: Yichud, your wine, your meat and the socio/religious > effects on your family that he might have. [...] 704 42 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5356] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:22:25 EDT595_- In article , "animzmirot" wrote:

I've had a foreign student (a nanny) live in my home previously, and it >was a complete nobrainer. >She didn't attend shul with us, she usually went out with her friends for >the weekend, and I barely >saw her at all on Shabbos. End of story. In this upcoming year, I expect >that our new son will >do something similar. He'll make friends and I'm certainly not obligated >(nor his he halachically... gentiles >are not allowed to celebrate Shabbat) to enforce Shabbat on him. [...] 747 31 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5357] Shabbat stories for little kids11_Judy Singer21_hjsinger@actcom.co.il28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:19:43 EDT313_- Anybody have any ideas about websites with good stories (Torah portion or other) I can tell my kids at the Shabbat table? I have two three-year olds and a six-year old, and our Friday night dinners tend to be...rather un-spiritual. Most of the stuff I've seen on the net seems to be too old for them. TIA. [...] 779 46 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5358] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids12_Perry Donham19_pdonham@cuseeme.com28_Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:25:11 EDT622_- I also have a three and a six (two girls). An excellent resource for = stories on the web is http://www.akhlah.com/. You can improvise around the stories to keep their interest.

Regards,

Perry

"Judy Singer" wrote in message news:8m9rik$kds$1@news.netvision.net.il... > Anybody have any ideas about websites with good stories (Torah portion = or > other) I can tell my kids at the Shabbat table? I have two three-year = olds > and a six-year old, and our Friday night dinners tend to be...rather > un-spiritual. Most of the stuff I've seen on the net seems to be too old [...] 826 44 46_[SCJ-PARENTING:5359] Re: Learning through Song14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:39:46 EDT508_- Preschoolers will catch onto a tune pretty quick - to the extent that they can carry a tune - so I wouldn't worry about the tune being familiar as long as it is simple.

One easy thing is to sing verses in English and Hebrew, for example something like David Melech Yisroel sung both ways. Or, we sing a little song about "Hashem is up, Hashem is Down, Hashem Hashem is all around..." with jumping up and down and spinning, and you could sing that with the Hebrew words for "up" and "down" .... [...] 871 73 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5360] Re: Parents of two different faiths14_Betsy Schwartz16_betsys@shore.net28_Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:07:19 EDT479_- Hi Stacy,

If you want to raise your baby to be Jewish, you should know that there = are different types of Judaism. Your child may be accepted by Reform and Reconstructionist Jews as Jewish, and by some conservative "egalitarian" congregations, but not by Orthodox Jews, who will only accept the child of a Jewish mother or one who has been formally converted. Is your baby's father active as a Jew and willing to participate in teaching the religion to his child? [...] 945 75 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5361] Jewish etiquette10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Tue, 8 Aug 2000 09:07:07 EDT575_- I'm teaching the 12-14 year old Jewish studies class this year & am = planning on adding a section on Jewish etiquette to the curriculum i.e. how does = one behave in various situations. One topic will be appropriate attire. I'd like to get some imput on required & unwritten dress codes for various Jewish community events. The underlying message is that dress is not just = a matter of personal expression, but also a way of showing courtesy to = others. Also it is important to recognize that different countries may have different modesty issues e.g. female hose. [...] 1021 67 53_[SCJ-PARENTING:5362] Re: invitation list: Bat Mitzvah10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:45:18 EDT339_- How about asking your daughter how she feels? She might view this as a great opportunity to spend time with more extended family & even meet new-to-her family members or she might want a smaller event with only people she knows well in attendance (family or not). Tailor the guest list to her tastes not the expectations of others. [...] 1089 36 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5363] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids0_24_jrichman2816@my-deja.com28_Tue, 8 Aug 2000 16:19:12 EDT564_- "Judy Singer" wrote: > Anybody have any ideas about websites with good stories (Torah portion or other)

I have several sites listed at: http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-story.htm

Jacob



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============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1126 57 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5364] When to start regular Synagogue attendance13_Adelle Stavis30_Nospamcuthbertson@mediaone.net29_Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:32:39 EDT412_- Read a picture book titled "Minnie's Yom Kippur Birthday" recently. The title intrigued me as my daughter's secular birthday fell on Yom Kippur last year. In it, a young girl is turning either 4 or 5 (can't tell, though five candles on the cake is mentioned twice). It is basically an intro to the synagogue book as this is the first time the main character goes to synagogue, on her Yom Kippur birthday. [...] 1184 77 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5365] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Thu, 10 Aug 2000 03:46:49 EDT434_-

"Adelle Stavis" wrote in message news:02f301c00286$5ff467e0$dc1f9318@ne.mediaone.net... > > It hooks into a question I've been pondering: When does one start bringing > kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they > would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? snip > So, how do other parents deal with when to bring toddlers/preschoolers > to long services? [...] 1262 73 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5366] Re: Parents of two different faiths0_17_J3fer@hotmail.com29_Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:18:41 EDT263_- Betsy wrote: > The post ... was ... rewritten by another moderator. The > part in brackets below was written by a moderator and NOT BY ME. > > I apologize for the repost but I ... > do not want a Usenet post under my name that was > not ... written by me. [...] 1336 40 32_[SCJ-PARENTING:5367] new arrival19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:43:36 EDT616_-

Steve, Alexandra, and Gideon Schmidt hail

Josiah Navon=20 Zakai ben Micha v'Yocheved

born August 2, 2000 Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av 5760

9 pounds, 3 ounces (gevalt! were we surprised!) welcomed into the covenant yesterday.

*So* glad we avoided the Tisha b'Av bris.

. . .Alexandra, happy Ima of two =20

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1377 83 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5368] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance15_Claire Petersky19_cpetersky@yahoo.com29_Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:43:44 EDT460_- > Read a picture book titled "Minnie's Yom Kippur Birthday" recently. The > title intrigued me as my daughter's secular birthday fell on Yom Kippur last > year.

Rose has a September 21 birthday, and I figure it's going to happen eventually.

> It hooks into a question I've been pondering: When does one start bringing > kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they > would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? [...] 1461 51 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5369] Re: new arrival10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:01:13 EDT424_-

"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200008110225.WAA10713@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > Steve, Alexandra, and Gideon Schmidt hail > > Josiah Navon=20 > Zakai ben Micha v'Yocheved > > born August 2, 2000 > Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av 5760 > > 9 pounds, 3 ounces (gevalt! were we surprised!) > welcomed into the covenant yesterday. > > *So* glad we avoided the Tisha b'Av bris. [...] 1513 71 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5370] Re: new arrival13_Adelle Stavis30_Nospamcuthbertson@mediaone.net29_Sat, 12 Aug 2000 03:02:19 EDT700_- Mazel Tov!

Adelle Stavis

"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200008110225.WAA10713@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > Steve, Alexandra, and Gideon Schmidt hail > > Josiah Navon=20 > Zakai ben Micha v'Yocheved > > born August 2, 2000 > Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av 5760 > > 9 pounds, 3 ounces (gevalt! were we surprised!) > welcomed into the covenant yesterday. > > *So* glad we avoided the Tisha b'Av bris. > > . . .Alexandra, happy Ima of two > =20 > > ============================================================================ == > This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. > Posters seeking medical or halachic [...] 1585 39 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5371] Re: Parents of two different faiths8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:34:19 EDT598_- >My post *was* altered. I resent the post with the rewritten part clearly >identified as a substitution by the moderator, and the identification was >removed so that it appeared that *I* wrote the material. My intention was >to have it posted with the material **quoted** and **identified as a >quote**. Instead, it was posted appearing as though it were my words. > The moderators would have taken the resubmittal to mean that you authorized the change. Whenever I do not agree with the moderators, I just don't resubmit the post. Maybe you should take it up privately with the moderators. [...] 1625 30 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5372] Re: new arrival10_PBethWeiss18_pbethweiss@aol.com29_Sat, 12 Aug 2000 18:44:20 EDT479_- Alexandra and family;

Mazel Tov! I think all in this group have been quietly wondering, and praying for you. Thanks for the prompt (and humorous) announcement about Josiah. All the best. Paula Weiss

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 1656 61 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5374] Re: When to take children to shul18_Phil & Viv Josephs18_josephs@xtra.co.nz29_Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:37:51 EDT287_- We have also gone through the question of when to take the children to = shul, and what they should do when they're there.

Last week, Daniel aged 7, said to me that all he did at shul is to play outside with his friends, and come in occasionally to see what we were doing. [...] 1718 42 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5375] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance14_Aaron Kuperman12_akup@loc.gov29_Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:08:39 EDT492_- It probably depends on the "style" of the services. In a Hasidic shul (and probably in a non-Orthodox one whose forebearers were used to a "shtiebel" rather than a fancy synagogue), little kids usually wander around. In a "German" style shul where everything is very formal they will be horrified at toddlers toddling around. For some people, the atmosphere of a synagogue (e.g. how formal it is) is a major factor in deciding where to go (assuming you live in a place with a choice). [...] 1761 35 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:5377] Veggie Tales11_Dan Krashin20_dkrashin@my-deja.com29_Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:02:19 EDT381_- Does anyone know if this series of children's books has specific Xtian contentthat would conflict with Judaism? They seem like very nicely illustrated and well written kids books with some religious content AFAICT. They spell God with an "o" instead of a hyphen, but that doesn't bother me.

Danny



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not entirely unrelated topics...

First off, many thanks for the numerous kind wishes both posted and emailed. Your congrats and warm thoughts are very buoying through these somewhat strange (though indescribably awesome) first days of new-motherhood.

We began taking our boys (it still seems funny to write that) to shul almost immediately--within a week of their births. We're regular synagogue attendees anyhow, but have become more so since the little ones were born--we almost never miss a Shabbat morning service. (Friday night services have unfortunately become much tougher for us logistically.) Obviously, we wouldn't go ourselves if we didn't find [...] 1894 41 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5379] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:29:48 EDT431_- Besides the problem of children interrupting services as they burst in the door during some game of "chasy", there is a thought that the Synagogue should be a special place. A place of awe and majesty. (It helps if IT IS such a Synagogue of course). An association with a synagogue in ones mind that consists of running amok and who cares about speaking to the Almighty, is not something I want to encourage in my children. [...] 1936 44 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5380] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:45:30 EDT562_- >Besides the problem of children interrupting services as they burst in >the door during some game of "chasy", there is a thought that the >Synagogue should be a special place. A place of awe and majesty.

But I always thought that a synagogue *wasn't* supposed to be a place of awe and majesty. I was always taught that shuls shouldn't be ornate or elaborate. Isn't it a part of most jewish belief (and this really is a question, because i was raised as sort of a conservative/reform mix, so I'm weak at orthodox practice) that the shul is not the [...] 1981 35 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5381] Re: When to take children to shul18_Kathe Izen-mondlak15_kimond@home.com29_Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:28:28 EDT539_- I have always taken my children (now 8 and 91/2) to shul and while I can accept that they spend quite a bit of the time out with their friends, I also put some limits. Friday night, they stay in until after L'cha Dodi and return for Kiddush. Shabbat morning, stay til Shma, return for Torah service, leave after and come back in to stay just before Ein Kelohenu. It has been cumulative and I find they will sometimes now stay right through Friday night of their own choice. As they have learned more of the services from school and [...] 2017 41 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5384] Re: Veggie Tales8_Tampamom20_tampamom@my-deja.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:42:32 EDT352_- I have rented a number of the Veggie Tales videos for my kids. I have had no problem with the content or manner in which the "moral" is given. It has always been "God wants us to...." I have never seen any reference to Jesus,& though the ending quotes are sometimes from the New Testament they have never said anything out of line with Judaism. [...] 2059 28 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5385] Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!8_GwenO MS15_gwenoms@aol.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:43:36 EDT625_- Anyone here with words of wisdom and support and any traditions to know about, regarding twins? Thanks in Advance, Gwen

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 2088 82 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5386] Shul as a place of awe and majesty14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:47:38 EDT444_- Blanche wrote:

>>Besides the problem of children interrupting services as they burst in >>the door during some game of "chasy", there is a thought that the >>Synagogue should be a special place. A place of awe and majesty. > >But I always thought that a synagogue *wasn't* supposed to be a place of awe >and majesty. I was always taught that ...shul is not the important part, and that a service can be >held just about anywhere? [...] 2171 48 92_[SCJ-PARENTING:5387] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1250 Re: Starting regular Synagogue attendance0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:49:17 EDT572_- Hi!

I have the fondest memories of a separate service that a very patient Chazan at our Synagogue gave every Friday night, Sat morning, and on the holidays. We would do many of the prayers and the Torah portion would be explained at a child's level. It was a place where we children could wiggle or ask a somewhat unexpected or inexplicable question without getting into trouble. These services gave me a love for going to services. By meeting with the Chazan regularly, I (a quiet shy child) was more comfortable with the two adult men on the pulpit, could [...] 2220 41 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5388] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:50:13 EDT592_-

Two comments:

We also used the gradual approach that someone else mentioned. When my son was 0-2 years, stating in for a few songs was about the limit. We gradually the time as marked by predicatably points in the service until he could stay for the whole service.

Our congregational rule is that a child leaving the service must be accompanied by a parent. The high parent/child ratio eliminates the problem of kids getting too wild, reduces the incentive for kids to leave the service and for parents to let them, and prevents one adult from being stuck as the [...] 2262 48 92_[SCJ-PARENTING:5389] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1250 Re: Starting regular Synagogue attendance0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 11:51:33 EDT572_- Hi!

I have the fondest memories of a separate service that a very patient Chazan at our Synagogue gave every Friday night, Sat morning, and on the holidays. We would do many of the prayers and the Torah portion would be explained at a child's level. It was a place where we children could wiggle or ask a somewhat unexpected or inexplicable question without getting into trouble. These services gave me a love for going to services. By meeting with the Chazan regularly, I (a quiet shy child) was more comfortable with the two adult men on the pulpit, could [...] 2311 66 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5390] Re: Veggie Tales14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:05:53 EDT599_-

Hi!

I haven't seen the Veggie Tales, so I am not going to comment on them specifically, but for myself, I want my children to learn morality within a Jewish context. Just because it doesn't have references to Jesus, it doesn't make it Jewish.

While "morality" is certainly not unique to Judaism, none-the-less, in many cases, our approach and our focus to "morality" often are. For example, the mitzvah of tzedakah: For Jews, this is not a "voluntary" act done out of the kindness of one's heart. It is a divine commandment, an obligation. It is something that one must [...] 2378 57 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5391] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:09:13 EDT639_-

"GwenO MS" wrote in message news:20000815185854.13085.00000031@ng-fw1.aol.com... > Anyone here with words of wisdom and support and any traditions to know about, > regarding twins? > Thanks in Advance, > Gwen

There are no specific Jewish traditions that I know of for twins, or any multiple births. The parenting of twins isn't on topic, of course, unless there is Jewish content involved. However, as a parent of twins (FB/G) who are almost 8 now, there are some very interesting observations I can make as an observant parent. Because my children are the same age, they tend to feel very strongly [...] 2436 95 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5392] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:11:14 EDT595_-

"Splanche" wrote in message news:20000815140039.09331.00000106@ng-ch1.aol.com... > >Besides the problem of children interrupting services as they burst in > >the door during some game of "chasy", there is a thought that the > >Synagogue should be a special place. A place of awe and majesty. > > But I always thought that a synagogue *wasn't* supposed to be a place of awe > and majesty. I was always taught that shuls shouldn't be ornate or elaborate. > Isn't it a part of most jewish belief (and this really is a question, because > i > was raised as sort of [...] 2532 96 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5394] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:17:01 EDT533_- Splanche wrote: > > >Besides the problem of children interrupting services as they burst in > >the door during some game of "chasy", there is a thought that the > >Synagogue should be a special place. A place of awe and majesty. > > But I always thought that a synagogue *wasn't* supposed to be a place of awe > and majesty. I was always taught that shuls shouldn't be ornate or elaborate. > Isn't it a part of most jewish belief (and this really is a question, because > i was raised as sort of a conservative/reform mix, so [...] 2629 91 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5395] Re: children in the synagogue14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:18:21 EDT543_- Adelle Stavis asked:

>When does one start bringing >kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they >would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)?

Actually this is a VERY important issue, that not many people know about. It is a halachic problem to bring children who are not toilet trained into a room where people are praying. The moment the child wets/ dirties his or her diaper, no one in that room is allowed to daven (pray). Therefore, bringing even sleeping infants is extremely problematic. [...] 2721 101 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5396] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance19_Cheryl Lever Hooker23_chooker@columbus.rr.com29_Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:28:13 EDT541_- In our Reform synagogue, the first Friday of each month is a "family service". It's geared toward young children. The Rabbi tells a wonderful story, we sing, we pray -- the kids are sitting in their seats, on their parent's laps, in the aisles or on the steps to the bimah. We also have a tot shabbat every other month and a program called First Steps in between the tot shabbat months which focuses on Jewish education for kids under 6 years old. For our family (children 1 1/2 years old and 3 1/2) we attend synagogue 2x/month as a [...] 2823 36 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5398] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12490_16_DKerzner@aol.com29_Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:09:08 EDT392_-

In a message dated 8/14/00 9:20:53 PM, scj-parenting@shamash.org writes:

<< Does anyone know if this series of children's books has specific Xtian contentthat would conflict with Judaism? They seem like very nicely illustrated and well written kids books with some religious content AFAICT. They spell God with an "o" instead of a hyphen, but that doesn't bother me. >> [...] 2860 51 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5399] Re: When to start regular Synagogue attendance13_Adelle Stavis30_Nocuthbertsonspam@mediaone.net29_Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:20:44 EDT309_- It's not child friendly v. not child friendly. It's a matter of logistics and the individual child's personality: - I have an energetic kid. - I am saying Kaddish through Mid March (I think, have to check date). - I am intermarried and my husband does not come to Synagogue unless its a special event. [...] 2912 68 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5400] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!10_Rebeccadan18_rebeccadan@aol.com29_Fri, 18 Aug 2000 07:45:34 EDT568_- Dear Gwen,

Mazel tov on your forthcoming grandchildren.

My twins are a year old now, but it's difficult to think of any specifically Jewish advice to give.

My son is called Jacob, and I'm Rebecca, so we worked a lot with the texts about Jacob and Esau at the babies' naming.

I'd say that if the twins are a boy and a girl, as mine are, what happens to them will highlight non-egalitarian aspects of your family's Jewish practice. Not necessarily in bad ways, it just gives cause for thought - they were born at the same time, at the [...] 2981 69 36_[SCJ-PARENTING:5401] Re: new arrival13_Adelle Stavis30_Nospamcuthbertson@mediaone.net29_Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:39:50 EDT700_- Mazel Tov!

Adelle Stavis

"Alexandra J Schmidt" wrote in message news:200008110225.WAA10713@gematria.crd.ge.com... > > Steve, Alexandra, and Gideon Schmidt hail > > Josiah Navon=20 > Zakai ben Micha v'Yocheved > > born August 2, 2000 > Rosh Chodesh Menachem Av 5760 > > 9 pounds, 3 ounces (gevalt! were we surprised!) > welcomed into the covenant yesterday. > > *So* glad we avoided the Tisha b'Av bris. > > . . .Alexandra, happy Ima of two > =20 > > ============================================================================ == > This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. > Posters seeking medical or halachic [...] 3051 34 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5402] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Sat, 19 Aug 2000 23:29:38 EDT324_- Judy Singer wrote: > > Anybody have any ideas about websites with good stories (Torah portion or > other) I can tell my kids at the Shabbat table?

Again some of the stories on this site are too old for your kids, but a lot of them should work -- at least for the older one. Try http://world.std.com/~aradding/ [...] 3086 46 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5403] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:15:41 EDT424_-

"Beth Katcher" wrote in message news:39896A10.2FBF8F2C@rcn.com... > Judy Singer wrote: >> >> Anybody have any ideas about websites with good stories (Torah portion >> or other) I can tell my kids at the Shabbat table? > > Again some of the stories on this site are too old for your kids, but a > lot of them should work -- at least for the older one. Try > http://world.std.com/~aradding/ [...] 3133 31 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5404] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids18_Kathe Izen-mondlak15_kimond@home.com29_Sun, 20 Aug 2000 08:22:50 EDT356_- I would highly recommend the stories from "Does G-d have a Big Toe?" by Marc Gellman and the "Bible stories for Children" by Betty Hollander. Read them, then retell them endlessly - I used to do it with my kids, coordinating with the parashat hashavua when possible. It got to the point where i would start and they would end up telling most of it. [...] 3165 51 79_[SCJ-PARENTING:5405] Remodeled S.C.J FAQs Available -- Including new Kids Stuff15_Daniel P Faigin21_faigin@pacificnet.net29_Sun, 20 Aug 2000 17:35:09 EDT347_- I am pleased to announce the completion of the remodeling of the soc.culture.jewish FAQs and Reading Lists. I encourage you to visit them at http://www.scjfaq.org/

The newly remodeled FAQs will be posted in soc.culture.jewish starting late next week. I've hopefully suppressed the differences posting, as it would have been too big. [...] 3217 29 51_[SCJ-PARENTING:5407] Jewish Practices for PDD Child16_Dansicker Family18_dansicker@home.com29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 00:54:11 EDT498_- Any advice on raising a Jewish Child with PDD? We are a Conservative Observant Family but as English is barely accessible Hebrew is out of the question.David has learned basic Blessings/Barachot by rote. What next???



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============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 3275 42 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:5409] Kids at shul14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:41:32 EDT457_- Rafi has been going to shul every Shabbat since he was born. It has got more difficult as he gets older, because there are not a lot of kids at our aging shul. When there is junior congregation, at least there will be kids there for him to play with - now, in the summer, he gets quite bored. But he comes anyway, and finds ways to occupy himself. For him, the shul is like a second home - you should see him hitting on the kitchen lady for cookies! [...] 3318 88 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5410] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:47:31 EDT659_- There are some good stories written by Alan Radding that you can find at www.reyim.org. He is a member of this congregation and these stories were written for the mini-Minyan group on Shabbat. My children enjoyed hearing thse stories at ages 5-6.

Marjorie



"Perry Donham" wrote in message news:8m9ua6$62kr3$1@ID-42709.news.cis.dfn.de... > I also have a three and a six (two girls). An excellent resource for =3D > stories > on the web is http://www.akhlah.com/. You can improvise around the = stories > to keep their interest. > > Regards, > > Perry > > "Judy Singer" wrote in message [...] 3407 47 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5411] Re: children in the synagogue16_Evelyn C. Leeper24_eleeper@jagon.lucent.com29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:32:29 EDT573_- In article <966473243scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Aliza Fischman wrote: > Adelle Stavis asked: > > >When does one start bringing > >kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they > >would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? > > Actually this is a VERY important issue, that not many people know about. > It is a halachic problem to bring children who are not toilet trained into > a room where people are praying. The moment the child wets/ dirties his or > her diaper, no one in that room is allowed to daven [...] 3455 28 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5412] Re: Jewish Practices for PDD Child30_13311l000-ChazinD1005388233x2421_dchazin@dr.lucent.com29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:18:20 EDT545_-

What is PDD? --=20 David Chazin

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>I will be working with preschool children, in a Reform synagogue early = >childhood program this year, one afternoon a week, for a session called = >Hebrew/Judaica and Nature. For the Hebrew part, I am looking for songs, = >to familiar melodies, that we could use, with visual aids, to teach the = >children Hebrew words for parts of the body, things at home, animals, = >etc. If anyone can help me with either words/melodies or point me in a = >direction for a book or website that would help me with this, [...] 3529 49 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5414] Re: Jewish Practices for PDD Child2_JB19_dor_l_dor@radix.net29_Mon, 21 Aug 2000 14:23:43 EDT552_- I'm a Judaic special educator; I'm also a mom of a son who was labeled 'autistic-like' when he was 3 - today he would have been labeled PDD.

You are right to include him in singing/songs and any/all rituals since structure is so important to these children. Hands-on experiences - making challah, setting the table, lighting candles - all the 'doing' kinds of things are important. My own son always cried when he went to my parents' shul - he must have felt 'vibes' that no one knew about. You can give him more and more pieces - one of [...] 3579 72 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5416] Re: Shabbat stories for little kids12_Beth Katcher17_b.katcher@rcn.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:04:22 EDT323_- I checked my outbox to confirm that I actually mailed this over 2 weeks ago. I'm a little surprised to see it suddenly surface now. I certainly didn't mean to re-open a thread that had already finished its course. Anyway, the Temple Reyim site has a subset of Alan's stories while his personal site has all of them. [...] 3652 44 40_[SCJ-PARENTING:5417] Taking kids to shul5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:11:19 EDT482_- I saw some of the posts here, I'd like to add my two cents. I am a baal teshuva, a recent returnee to Judaism. My husband is not Jewish, and so if I go to shul, I take the kids myself. Problem is, there is only one Orthodox shul within easy walking distance of our home, and it is made up of about 10 elderly men. Not the place for a kid, though I like it there. The next closest Orthodox shul is about 1/2 hour walking distance. I can do it, but the kids cannot (I have a 2 [...] 3697 51 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5418] Re: Veggie Tales5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:12:10 EDT416_- Dan Krashin writes:

>Does anyone know if this series of children's books has specific >Xtian contentthat would conflict with Judaism?

We have several of the Veggie Tales videos....I have not seen any of them mention JC, only G-d.

I would recommend renting some before buying them, just to make sure.

Also, your local Jewish giftshop should have some good kids tapes that are good. [...] 3749 54 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5419] Re: children in the synagogue15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:24:42 EDT638_- In article <8nresi$2f6@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>, eleeper@lucent.com wrote:

>In article <966473243scjp-submit@shamash.org>, >Aliza Fischman wrote: >> Adelle Stavis asked: >> >> >When does one start bringing >> >kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they >> >would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? >> >> Actually this is a VERY important issue, that not many people know about. >> It is a halachic problem to bring children who are not toilet trained into >> a room where people are praying. The moment the child wets/ dirties his or >> her diaper, no one in that [...] 3804 46 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5420] Re: Taking kids to shul47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287918_jones@cs.uiowa.edu29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:52:05 EDT622_- >From article <20000822144330.15479.00001754@ng-ch1.aol.com>, by yiddishemameh@aol.com (Chana):

> Problem is, there is only one Orthodox shul within easy walking > distance of our home, and it is made up of about 10 elderly men. > Not the place for a kid, though I like it there.

First rule: Ask the regulars how they'd react to having a few kids underfoot during services. I've known old folks who couldn't stand kids, who felt liberated when their children grew up and allowed them to live a child-free life, and I've known old folks who really missed having children around and welcomed the chance [...] 3851 54 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5421] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:54:34 EDT456_- In article <20000818054256.01484.00000153@nso-cm.aol.com>, rebeccadan@aol.com (Rebeccadan) wrote:

>I'd say that if the twins are a boy and a girl, as mine are, what happens to >them will highlight non-egalitarian aspects of your family's Jewish >practice. > >Not necessarily in bad ways, it just gives cause for thought - they were >born at the same time, at the same place, to the same parents, why does x >>happen to one and not the other? [...] 3906 36 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5423] Re: Jewish Practices for PDD Child15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:42:55 EDT614_- In article , "Dansicker Family" wrote:

>Any advice on raising a Jewish Child with PDD? We are a Conservative >Observant Family but as English is barely accessible >Hebrew is out of the question.David has learned basic Blessings/Barachot by >rote. What next???

Their has been a profusion of Jewish resources over the last few years as the need has been recognized and the means became available. I know of several in the Los Angeles area (for example, the Etta Israel Foundation), but I'm sure there are many others as well. [...] 3943 36 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5424] Re: Siddur Covers15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:43:14 EDT667_- In article <966818511scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Srb162@aol.com wrote:

>I know that most people make their own siddur covers for their children's >siddurs, but I was wondering whether it is possible to buy one?? Please >e-mail me directly at sbailin@optonline.net. Thanks!!

When my children were graduating from nursery to kindergarten at a Conservative day school, we were instructed to make a siddur cover for them. This was not the practice at the Orthodox day school my younger children attended. It was evidently a fairly recent custom adopted to impress upon the children the importance of prayer and how involved their parents were in their [...] 3980 73 33_[SCJ-PARENTING:5425] siddur cover0_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:45:03 EDT529_- Dear Friends,

This "custom" is getting out of hand. It's purpose was for a meaningful parent-child experience and a moment for the parent(s) to manifest their own support of the child's learning efforts.

There are now a number of professional artisans producing "siddur covers/dust jackets, but I tend to think that children will long treasure the one you made together, or the one which you made while the child watched knowing the energy and time it took - rather than a beautiful one which was purchased. [...] 4054 65 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5426] Re: Jewish Practices for PDD Child0_18_TAlpert@aol.com=2029_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:13:54 EDT372_- I am the father of an 8 y.o. with PDD. Trying to wok on the Jewish issues = is=20 quite hard, not least because even if you could teach a lot of Hebrew, = it=20 might interfere with your child's ability to learn the English that he = needs.=20 Learning some blessings by rote from hearing you do them isn't a bad = start,=20 though; so I'd definitely keep that up. [...] 4120 80 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5427] Re: Siddur Covers10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 09:15:45 EDT689_-

"Fred Rosenblatt" wrote in message news:fredr5-2208001311250001@mac99124170840.jpl.nasa.gov... > In article <966818511scjp-submit@shamash.org>, Srb162@aol.com wrote: > > >I know that most people make their own siddur covers for their children's > >siddurs, but I was wondering whether it is possible to buy one?? Please > >e-mail me directly at sbailin@optonline.net. Thanks!! > > When my children were graduating from nursery to kindergarten at a > Conservative day school, we were instructed to make a siddur cover > for them. This was not the practice at the Orthodox day school my > younger children attended. It was evidently a fairly recent custom > [...] 4201 83 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5428] Re: siddur cover10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:17:15 EDT323_- > There are now a number of professional artisans producing "siddur > covers/dust jackets, but I tend to think that children will long treasure > the one you made together, or the one which you made while the child > watched knowing the energy and time it took - rather than a beautiful one > which was purchased. > [...] 4285 37 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5429] re:siddur covers11_Marsha Rapp19_marsha@inter.net.il29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:51:28 EDT384_- When my daughter was in first grade, the teacher had a workshop, each parent got a piece of material and cloth markers (tulip is the brand here) and decorated them accordingly for each child. The cover is still good, intact on the siddur (they made the cover for me since she started that school the day they got the siddur). I just had to sew it so that it wouldn't fall off. [...] 4323 82 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5431] Re: Taking kids to shul6_Jfer P24_Jennifer@toronto.vr1.com29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:04:57 EDT635_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Chana wrote: > What should I do? I usually wind up going to shul myself (the one = nearest me), > but worry the kids will wind up with no experience in davening at = shul.

You haven't really said here how old your kids are (except that you have = a 2-year old and a baby), but I think your biggest issue is finding a shul where your family can fit in a little better. You are comfortable = enough davening with the "10 elderly [...] 4406 61 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5432] Re: children in the synagogue16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:12:06 EDT566_- Fred Rosenblatt wrote: > > In article <8nresi$2f6@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>, eleeper@lucent.com wrote: > >Aliza Fischman wrote: > >> Adelle Stavis asked: > >> > >> >When does one start bringing > >> >kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so > they > >> >would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? > >> > >> Actually this is a VERY important issue, that not many people know about. > >> It is a halachic problem to bring children who are not toilet trained > into > >> a room where people are praying. The [...] 4468 75 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5433] Re: Siddur Covers15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 12:30:57 EDT772_- In article , "animzmirot" wrote:

>"Fred Rosenblatt" wrote in message >news:fredr5-2208001311250001@mac99124170840.jpl.nasa.gov... >> In article <966818511scjp-submit@shamash.org>, >Srb162@aol.com wrote: >> >> >I know that most people make their own siddur covers for >> >their children's siddurs, but I was wondering whether it is possible to >> >buy one?? Please e-mail me directly at sbailin@optonline.net. Thanks!! >> >> When my children were graduating from nursery to >> kindergarten at a Conservative day school, we were instructed to make a >> siddur cover for them. This was not the practice at the Orthodox day >> school my younger children attended. It was [...] 4544 42 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5434] Re: Parents of two different faiths14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:56:51 EDT612_- Betsy Schwartz wrote: > > Your child may be accepted by Reform and > Reconstructionist Jews as Jewish, and by some conservative "egalitarian" > congregations, but not by Orthodox Jews, who will only accept the child of > a Jewish mother or one who has been formally converted.

Just a small correction - Conservative congregations, egalitarian or not, do not accept patrilineal descent any more than Orthodox ones do. While they may well welcome a non-Jewish mother and her child, they will not consider the child to be Jewish. Thinking otherwise could lead to a nasty surprise come Bar/Bat Mitzvah [...] 4587 73 44_[SCJ-PARENTING:5435] Re: Taking kids to shul16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:02:56 EDT582_- "Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879" wrote: > > >From article <20000822144330.15479.00001754@ng-ch1.aol.com>, > by yiddishemameh@aol.com (Chana): > > > Problem is, there is only one Orthodox shul within easy walking > > distance of our home, and it is made up of about 10 elderly men. > > Not the place for a kid, though I like it there. > > First rule: Ask the regulars how they'd react to having a few kids > underfoot during services. I've known old folks who couldn't stand > kids, who felt liberated when their children grew up and allowed them > to live a [...] 4661 44 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5436] Re: Parents of two different faiths5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:19:16 EDT434_- Hadass wrote:

>Just a small correction - Conservative congregations, egalitarian or >not, do not accept patrilineal descent any more than Orthodox ones do.

Society Hill Synagogue in Philadelphia, PA accepts children of Gentile mothers as Jewish, provided they raise them Jewish.

Although I consider myself a traditional Jew (I go to an Orthodox shul), I accept patrilineal descent. I see no reason not to. [...] 4706 59 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5437] Re: Parents of two different faiths15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:17:09 EDT683_- In article <20000823210841.04229.00002812@ng-fi1.aol.com>, yiddishemameh@aol.com (Chana) wrote:

>Hadass wrote: > >>Just a small correction - Conservative congregations, egalitarian or >>not, do not accept patrilineal descent any more than Orthodox ones do. > >Society Hill Synagogue in Philadelphia, PA accepts children of Gentile mothers >as Jewish, provided they raise them Jewish.

Is that a Conservative synagogue? It seems that there is a wider range of practice among Conservative and Reform synagogues (and probably some blurring of the distinction in the middle range). One should probably check each out individually before deciding which is compatible. [...] 4766 60 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5438] Re: Parents of two different faiths7_Barbara21_blipshutz@sprynet.com29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 10:47:09 EDT592_- While Society Hill Synagogue denominates itself as *Conservative* it is not part of the United Synagogues of America (umbrella organization of most Conservative synagogues) and does not necessarily follow the dictates of the mainstream Conservative movement. At the time I was a member, the rabbi was actually educated within the Reconstructionist movement, and positioned the synagogue as an interesting mix of Conservative and Reconstructionist. So, while you are right that some Conservative synagogues may accept patrilineal descent, the mainstream Conservative movement does not. [...] 4827 71 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5439] Re: Parents of two different faiths5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:49:03 EDT397_- Fred Rosenblatt said:

>>Society Hill Synagogue in Philadelphia, PA accepts children of Gentile >mothers >>as Jewish, provided they raise them Jewish. > >Is that a Conservative synagogue?

Yes it is. However they are "independent Conservative". Reason being they were kicked out of the Conservative organizations (I forget which) due to their acceptance of patrilineal descent. [...] 4899 55 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5440] Re: Parents of two different faiths14_Hadass Eviatar20_eviatar@superhwy.net29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:33:28 EDT315_- Chana wrote: > > Hadass wrote: > > >Just a small correction - Conservative congregations, egalitarian or > >not, do not accept patrilineal descent any more than Orthodox ones do. > > Society Hill Synagogue in Philadelphia, PA accepts children of Gentile mothers > as Jewish, provided they raise them Jewish. [...] 4955 121 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5441] Re: Parents of two different faiths15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:36:50 EDT499_- In article <20000825120904.04185.00003745@ng-fi1.aol.com>, yiddishemameh@aol.com (Chana) wrote:

>Fred Rosenblatt said: > >>>Society Hill Synagogue in Philadelphia, PA accepts children of Gentile >>mothers >>>as Jewish, provided they raise them Jewish. >> >>Is that a Conservative synagogue? > >Yes it is. However they are "independent Conservative". Reason being they were >kicked out of the Conservative organizations (I forget which) due to their >acceptance of patrilineal descent. [...] 5077 38 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5442] Re: Parents of two different faiths5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:53:19 EDT702_- Hadass Eviatar said:

>Are you sure this synagogue is actually >affiliated with the United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism? >

I never said they were. They label themselves independent Conservative.

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Barbara Lipschutz said:

>While Society Hill Synagogue denominates itself as *Conservative* it is >not part of the United Synagogues of America (umbrella organization of >most Conservative synagogues) and does not necessarily follow the >dictates of the mainstream Conservative movement. [...] 5190 26 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5444] Yiddish Lullaby and bedtime stories8_LK GEO 114_lkgeo1@aol.com29_Mon, 28 Aug 2000 17:06:47 EDT627_- can anyone suggest a site that i can download yiddish lullabys for my grand daughter ? Also betime stories too? Thanks !!

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ACKs are handled by an autoresponder. Munged From:/Reply-To: means no ACKs. Use "X-Ack-To: address" to redirect ACKs; it won't show up in the final post. Use "X-Ack-To: none" to suppress Acks. "X-Ack-To:" goes on a line by itself. 5217 47 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5445] Re: children in the synagogue0_20_moshes@mm.huji.ac.il29_Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:47:28 EDT568_- Aliza Fischman writes: > Adelle Stavis asked: > >>When does one start bringing >>kids to regular Shabbat services (we do not have a Gan or nursery so they >>would be in the Sanctuary the whole time)? > > Actually this is a VERY important issue, that not many people know about. > It is a halachic problem to bring children who are not toilet trained into > a room where people are praying. The moment the child wets/ dirties his or > her diaper, no one in that room is allowed to daven (pray). Therefore, > bringing even sleeping [...] 5265 50 48_[SCJ-PARENTING:5446] membership/religious school0_15_Chana34@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:53:46 EDT558_- With all the hype about losing out to the non-jewish world, can someone please explain to me why you can't send your child to religious school without being a member of the temple. We have had some serious medical problems since March of 97, and we are still recovering financially. At our temple we have gotten consideration the last 2 years, but still owe them money (abt 2000 tll. 1400 from preschool and 630 dues and rel school). We cannot apply for consideration unless the old debt is paid off, and while we can pay for the religious school for [...] 5316 57 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5447] Re: membership/religious school5_Chana21_yiddishemameh@aol.com29_Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:29:41 EDT363_- Caryn wrote:

>With all the hype about losing out to the non-jewish world, can someone >please explain to me why you can't send your child to religious school >without >being a member of the temple.

I hear ya! In my area there are two Conservative synagogues, no Reform, and several Orthodox ones. I am a baal teshuva, wanting to be Orthodox. [...] 5374 65 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5448] Re: Multiples -- daughter expecting twins!0_20_moshes@mm.huji.ac.il29_Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:08:05 EDT423_- "animzmirot" writes: > > "GwenO MS" wrote in message >> Anyone here with words of wisdom and support and any >> traditions to know about, regarding twins? >> Thanks in Advance, >> Gwen > > There are no specific Jewish traditions that I know of for > twins, or any multiple births. The parenting of twins isn't > on topic, of course, unless there is Jewish content > involved. [...] 5440 113 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5449] Re: membership/religious school16_Dansicker Family18_dansicker@home.com29_Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:35:14 EDT567_- Chana and Hannah, I agree with you, support services in most of our communities are not what they should be. When we were in Mich., my best friend's infant daughter was diagnosed as Diabetic. The Federation was willing to lend her the money for medical supplies - the Baptist Church gave her the supplies. It seems even when you grovel, beg and plead, dues are only reduced; it used to be that you could offer to work in consideration for tuition. Somehow the whole situation has spun out of control. I think the majority of the Jewish community believes that [...] 5554 72 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5451] Re: membership/religious school5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:49:59 EDT376_-

Chana34@aol.com writes:

> With all the hype about losing out to the non-Jewish world, can > someone please explain to me why you can't send your child to > religious school without being a member of the temple. > [financial problems snipped]

I think there are two separate questions here, the one you asked, and the one you probably meant to ask. [...] 5627 33 65_[SCJ-PARENTING:5452] Help on Finding a Hebrew Teacher Chatham, NJ11_Steven Wohl13_wohls@idt.net29_Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:52:11 EDT639_- I would appreciate any suggestions on how to find Hebrew teachers for our Reconstructionist congregation in Chatham, NJ. We are growing and have tapped into most of the standard people-networking resources.

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Steven Wohl Maplewood, NJ swohl@mediapathtech.com ============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 5661 43 69_[SCJ-PARENTING:5453] Re: Help on Finding a Hebrew Teacher Chatham, NJ11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Wed, 30 Aug 2000 23:16:12 EDT391_-

Steven Wohl wrote in message <39AC3814.BEAF1FAE@idt.net>... >I would appreciate any suggestions on how to find Hebrew teachers for >our Reconstructionist congregation in Chatham, NJ. We are growing and >have tapped into most of the standard people-networking resources. > >Our program is on Sat mornings and Thursday afternoons. Please post >replies to swohl@mediapattech.com [...] 5705 62 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5455] Re: membership/religious school14_Frank Pantaleo22_moles@rochester.rr.com29_Thu, 31 Aug 2000 14:07:23 EDT594_-

>2 > >The question which you actually asked, but I don't think you meant, is >also interesting. Finances aside, why does one need to be a member? > >Our congregation does have this requirement. > >I think the major reason is that a religious education cannot succeed >unless the parents are committed. A few hours of school with no >reinforcement through services, holidays and simchas cannot be >meaningful. Parents who just drop off their children, but don't >participate in shul life, send the wrong message. > Hi, I would like to add my two cents worth to this statement. In [...] 5768 57 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5456] membership...etc.0_15_Chana34@aol.com29_Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:30:25 EDT524_- In response to ken's comments. As far as rules I can't live with. First, if the back debt is part of the problem, and we are trying get it paid off not add to it, why would I go somewhere else where they don't know us, and ask for financial assistance. This is not the first shul we tried to join. I went looking for about 8 months to find one where both my husband and myself were comfortable (another caveat-I am intermarried.). When I brought up the subject of consideration I was first told it was tax season and [...]