1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/scj-parenting July 2000 2 45 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5270] Re: bar mitzvahs47_Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,319338287918_jones@cs.uiowa.edu28_Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:01:10 EDT355_- >From article <962308788scjp-submit@shamash.org>, by "Sandy Kanner" :

> Hi I am new on this list. My name is Sandy Cohen I have four children > am modern orthodox and am 39 years of age. I am making a bar mitzvah > for my son in a few weeks and have been looking for a meaningful theme > for his bar mitzvah. ... [...] 48 53 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5271] Re: bar mitzvahs12_Brown Family16_pcc@ocean.com.au28_Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:29:09 EDT615_- On 1 Jul 2000 10:54:52 -0700, jones@cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) wrote:

>>From article <962308788scjp-submit@shamash.org>, >by "Sandy Kanner" : > >> Hi I am new on this list. My name is Sandy Cohen I have four children >> am modern orthodox and am 39 years of age. I am making a bar mitzvah >> for my son in a few weeks and have been looking for a meaningful theme >> for his bar mitzvah. ... > >I would suggest a theme connected to the Torah or Haftorah portion. > >Quite frankly, speaking as a basically Conservative Jew but one willing [...] 102 83 37_[SCJ-PARENTING:5272] Re: bar mitzvahs19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com28_Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:38:03 EDT554_-

Dear Sandy--

While I appreciate your motivation, I think that choosing a 'theme' that focuses on the Shoah in general, and not on the road your family has taken to get to this happy occasion, would be both distracting and upsetting.

> He has reached the age of mitzvot observance and I > want him to take his new role seriously. He is now a responsible full > fledged member of the Jewish people. I have always felt that a child cannot > really understand what it means to be a jew unless he knows and understands > where he [...] 186 47 55_[SCJ-PARENTING:5273] Day school ed neglects patriotism?10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com28_Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:16:11 EDT589_- Tonight, being the 4th of July in the USA, my family attended our town's holiday celebration. Part of the festivities was a sing-along, followed by the Pledge of Allegience and the singing of the National Anthem. My children, who have always attended Jewish day schools, even in pre school, were unable to participate in the sing-along. Had the band played Hatikva, they could belt it out without blinking, but they do not know the national anthem. And they do not know the pledge of allegience. Why this never occurred to me previously is beyond me, but today this really bothered [...] 234 45 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5274] Re: Day school ed neglects patriotism?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com28_Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:38:19 EDT673_- In article , "animzmirot" wrote:

>Tonight, being the 4th of July in the USA, my family attended our town's >holiday celebration. Part of the festivities was a sing-along, followed by >the Pledge of Allegience and the singing of the National Anthem. My >children, who have always attended Jewish day schools, even in pre >school, were unable to participate in the sing-along. Had the band >played Hatikva, they could belt it out without blinking, but they >do not know the national anthem. And they do not know the pledge >of allegience. Why this never occurred to me previously is beyond [...] 280 39 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5275] re: Patriotism in Jewish day schools9_L&RFelner15_Felner5@msn.com28_Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:28:08 EDT549_- Our daughters attend an Orthodox Jewish day school and I can attest for a fact that not only do they know Hatikvah but they know our national anthem as well as several other songs that one traditionally sings after say the Pledge of Allegiance. How do I know this? I was able to be in one of our daughter's afternoon (secular) sessions after a morning field trip. I was present for the pledge and then they all belted out..."You're a Grand Old Flag" by Geo.M. Cohan (?) I was surprised that they knew that song!!! I kinda expected " America" [...] 320 35 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5276] Re: Day school ed neglects patriotism?10_I. Pour-El18_pourel@iastate.edu28_Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:56:19 EDT563_- My children go to public school so they know neither :).

> >Is this customary amongst day school children? Do you children know the >Israeli National Anthem better than their own country's anthem? > >Marjorie

I. Pour-El pourel@iastate.edu Iowa State University Ames, IA 50011

============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 356 68 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5278] Re: Patriotism in Jewish day schools12_Brown Family16_pcc@ocean.com.au28_Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:26:50 EDT566_- On 5 Jul 2000 15:22:45 -0700, "L&RFelner" wrote:

>Our daughters attend an Orthodox Jewish day school and I can attest for a >fact that not only do they know Hatikvah but they know our national = anthem >as well as several other songs that one traditionally sings after say the >Pledge of Allegiance. How do I know this? I was able to be in one of = our >daughter's afternoon (secular) sessions after a morning field trip. I = was >present for the pledge and then they all belted out..."You're a Grand Old >Flag" by Geo.M. Cohan (?) I [...] 425 31 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5279] Re: Day school ed neglects patriotism?7_RALubow15_ralubow@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:33:08 EDT555_- My children attend day school in Buffalo, New York. They know the American National Anthem, Hatikva, and the Pledge of Allegience. My oldest child began her education in Jewish Day Schools in Canada, where she learned the Canadian Anthem as well as Hatikva.







============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 457 85 59_[SCJ-PARENTING:5280] Re: Day school ed neglects patriotism?13_Adelle Stavis30_Nospamcuthbertson@mediaone.net28_Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:47:08 EDT336_- Hi!

My Day school education was from 1966-1973. The pledge of allegiance was said every afternoon when secular studies began. It was assumed we knew the Star Spangled Banner from our parents. It was sung, along w/Hatikvah, At every assembly. We also studied the lyrics in 4th grade when we did a unit on American History. [...] 543 49 58_[SCJ-PARENTING:5281] Re: Day school ed neglects patriotism14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:47:11 EDT535_- I can not speak for all day schools, but I can tell you for sure about the school that I grew up in (K-8) and now teach in.

I remember learning the American National Anthem for my 8th grade graduation. Yes, I do think that is late. We did, however, salute the flag (say Pledge of Allegiance) each and every day. But, to the school's defense, I now teach in that same school and the kids learn both in kindergarten or Pre-K. They still say the pledge every day throughout the grades. I don't know if they sing the anthems [...] 593 113 47_[SCJ-PARENTING:5285] Patriotism and Day Schools14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net28_Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:28:46 EDT370_- Les Brown had some interesting points, and some I'd like to respectfully=20=

dispute.

>I have my doubts about patriotism. It's really another word for=20 >nationalism, ie; "my country over all". If it has connotations of=20 >National Socialism and love for one's fatherland/motherland, it is not=20 >co-incidental. This is not the Jewish way, IMHO. [...] 707 41 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5286] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12230_16_DKerzner@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:49:19 EDT350_-

In a message dated 7/6/00 9:11:29 PM, scj-parenting@shamash.org writes:

<< I have my doubts about patriotism. It's really another word for nationalism, ie; "my country over all". If it has connotations of National Socialism and love for one's fatherland/motherland, it is not co-incidental. This is not the Jewish way, IMHO. >> [...] 749 33 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5287] Inexpensive Jewish charm/beads?8_VeraAloe16_veraaloe@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:39:13 EDT575_- [Ed Note: if replying to the newsgroup, please focus on Jewish parenting, = e.g. judaica at children's parties] =20 Does anyone know of a website that offers inexpensive (not real) Jewish = charms or beads that would be a good handout for children's parties? Thanks.

VeraAloe@aol.com=20



============================================================================== This post reflects the author's opinion; the moderators' opinions may differ. Posters seeking medical or halachic information should consult competent authorities in those fields. [...] 783 38 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5288] Re: Patriotism in Jewish day schools8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:02:27 EDT573_- >I have my doubts about patriotism. It's really another word for >nationalism, ie; "my country over all". If it has connotations of >National Socialism and love for one's fatherland/motherland, it is not >co-incidental. This is not the Jewish way, IMHO. >

I believe that if we teach our children a certain patiotism and love for country, it gives them a sense of belonging, and it becomes "their" country. Only when children feel like a part of this country, will they have the desire to grow up and help shape it. As a minority, I think that it is even more [...] 822 45 57_[SCJ-PARENTING:5289] Brit Milah overview material online?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:12:04 EDT466_-

My suspicion is that we have a bris in our near future. Should this indeed come to pass, a number of our invited guests will be 1) non-Jewish and 2) notified online. I was thinking that it might be nice to include a link to a web page explaining the origin of the mitzvah and an overview of the ceremony. (Our mohel does a nice job of explaining things, mostly post-facto, but I think our friends would appreciate coming into it a bit more informed.) [...] 868 44 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5290] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?11_Lisa Hertel13_lisa@thor.com29_Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:04:29 EDT359_- Alexandra J Schmidt wrote: > > My suspicion is that we have a bris in our near future. Should this indeed

Mazel Tov...

> come to pass, a number of our invited guests will be 1) non-Jewish and > 2) notified online. I was thinking that it might be nice to include a > link to a web page explaining the origin of the mitzvah and an overview [...] 913 63 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5291] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:09:08 EDT546_- **************************************** MODERATOR'S NOTE:

MODERATOR'S NOTE: As this poster has, please try to keep any reply on the subject at hand. (The original poster was looking for web sources which offer helpful explanations of brit milah: no more, no less) This newsgroup will NOT be a forum for discussion of pros, cons, etc. of circumcision. A neutral discussion of web links IS appropriate here because circumcision is a common Jewish parenting milestone. However, attacks one way or the other **will not be tolerated**. [...] 977 29 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5292] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?8_Splanche16_splanche@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:44:56 EDT268_- Have you considered taking some of the hard-copy material that your mohel may have and scanning it so you can send it as an attachment instead of a web link? You can even make it part of the invitation.. maybe put the whole thing on a ms-word file... - Blanche [...] 1007 46 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5295] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com29_Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:39:39 EDT450_- Mazel tov Alexandra!

If you send me your mailing address, I'll send you a copy of the spring issue of Natural Jewish Parenting, which has a whole section devoted to bris milah. You could perhaps scan some pages, as Blanche suggested, mail them (snail mail) to your guests in advance, or have handouts available at the door when guests arrive. (I would have no problem with your photocopying relevant articles for this limited purpose.) [...] 1054 37 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5297] Message-ID: <963887481scjp-submit@shamash.org>14_Aliza Fischman28_fisch.chips@worldnet.att.net29_Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:35:15 EDT531_- I know that some people use an 'Upsherin' (first haircut at the age of 3 years) as an opportunity to have a male child start to wear a kippah and Tzizit as a sign of 'maturity' and a=20 way to actively begin to perform 'mitzvot'. Does anyone know of similar=20 Mitzvot that a girl can start doing at or around her 3rd birthday as a=20 sign of her 'maturity'? Not necessarily as a way of having a ceremony,=20 but rather as a way to allow her to actively participate in Mitzvot? Our custom is not to have girls light candles [...] 1092 59 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5298] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 122721_Jill and Larry Kasten17_kastens@erols.com29_Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:57:51 EDT476_- > > My suspicion is that we have a bris in our near future. Should this indeed > come to pass, a number of our invited guests will be 1) non-Jewish and > 2) notified online. I was thinking that it might be nice to include a > link to a web page explaining the origin of the mitzvah and an overview > of the ceremony. (Our mohel does a nice job of explaining things, mostly > post-facto, but I think our friends would appreciate coming into it a bit more > informed.) > [...] 1152 90 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5300] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12270_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:57:55 EDT414_- Dear Friends,

I also checked some of the references on line - pursuing them in terms of specific articles.

It would appear to me that this CRC is a "front" for another organization which has been around for a long time - namely "NOCIRC" which specifically is opposed to circumcision. They support anything which encourages everyone - including Jews - to reconsider this long standing mitzvah. [...] 1243 44 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5302] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?0_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:56:37 EDT314_- Hi Alexandra ,

Please let us know when the baby is born.

I think that it is very thoughtful of you to help your non-jewish guests understand what is going on. If you are looking for information on the tradition and an explanation of the ritual, you might be interested in the following links: [...] 1288 50 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5304] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12270_19_Bheart77@aol.com=2029_Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:23:54 EDT562_- In a message dated 7/18/00 12:03:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,=20 scj-parenting@shamash.org writes:

<< My suspicion is that we have a bris in our near future. Should this = indeed =20 Mazel Tov... =20 > come to pass, a number of our invited guests will be 1) non-Jewish and > 2) notified online. I was thinking that it might be nice to include a > link to a web page explaining the origin of the mitzvah and an overview =20 I found www.circumcision.org to be helpful.=20 =20 > . . .Alexandra, Ima to Gideon, 23 months > new arrival on approximately [...] 1339 47 61_[SCJ-PARENTING:5305] Re: Brit Milah overview material online?15_Fred Rosenblatt15_fredr5@juno.com29_Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:01:45 EDT717_- In article <200007171744.NAA20371@gematria.crd.ge.com>, Alexandra J Schmidt wrote:

>Lisa writes: > >> I found www.circumcision.org to be helpful. Also, Anita Diamant's _The >> New Jewish Baby Book_ has a section that specifically explain a brit >> for non-Jews, as well as other good stuff. > >I looked briefly at the "General Information Section" page on >www.circumcision.org and found it extremely negative. It reported high >complication rates, loss of sensitivity, pain to newborns, and cited >articles with titles like "Questioning Jewish Circumcision" and >information about how increasing numbers of Jews are choosing not to >circumcise their sons. I did not look [...] 1387 69 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5306] Mitzvot for a 3-year-old girl19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:21:19 EDT270_-

Aliza wrote:

> I know that some people use an 'Upsherin' (first haircut at the age of 3 > years) as an opportunity to have a male child start to wear a kippah and > Tzizit as a sign of 'maturity' and a > way to actively begin to perform 'mitzvot'. [...] 1457 57 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5309] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 122818_Phil & Viv Josephs18_josephs@xtra.co.nz29_Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:39:51 EDT459_- Does anyone know of a book/ books which has a series of scenarios for discussion, to teach Jewish values to young children?

Many thanks.

Vivienne Josephs





----- Original Message ----- From: Discussions about raising Jewish children =

To: Discussions about raising Jewish children Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 4:08 PM Subject: SCJ-PARENTING digest 1228 [...] 1515 50 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5311] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12300_17_bdlerner@JTSA.EDU29_Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:23:37 EDT591_- Dear Viv and Friends,

One wonderful resource which many of you should know about and use more often - local Boards of Jewish Education or Central Agencies for Jewish Education. They often have early childhood specialists and librarians who are very knowledgeable and experienced at guiding parents.

Secondly, for those fortunate enough to be near a good congregational library, their librarian is very often very skilled in knowing the "stock" of materials and, when it is education, many religious school principals are familiar with the resources in Jewish education. [...] 1566 60 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5313] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 123015_Marjorie Risman28_mrisman@ped1.med.uth.tmc.edu29_Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:05:54 EDT578_- At 12:05 AM 7/21/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of a book/ books which has a series of scenarios for >discussion, to teach Jewish values to young children? > >Many thanks. > >Vivienne Josephs > > >



I used just such a book when I taught pre-bar and bat mitzvah kids several years ago. I believe one of the authors was a Prager (not Dennis!). I don't remember the title, though I think it was a question. The book provided a variety of scenarios that explored both interpersonal mitzvot and mitzvot between people and Hashem. Some of the ones [...] 1627 100 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5314] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 123010_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:17:32 EDT555_-

"Marjorie Risman" wrote in message news:964191461scjp-submit@shamash.org... > At 12:05 AM 7/21/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >Does anyone know of a book/ books which has a series of scenarios for > >discussion, to teach Jewish values to young children? > > > >Many thanks. > > > >Vivienne Josephs > > > > > > > > > I used just such a book when I taught pre-bar and bat mitzvah kids several > years ago. I believe > one of the authors was a Prager (not Dennis!). I don't remember the title, > though I think it was [...] 1728 50 52_[SCJ-PARENTING:5315] Parents of two different faiths10_BrokinBitt18_brokinbitt@aol.com29_Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:43:40 EDT484_- ***** MODERATOR'S CAUTION: The following is an excerpt from the SCJP FAQ: "...discussions regarding how to raise children in an intercultural environment are considered appropriate only insofar as they focus on Jewish aspects of the child's upbringing. Discussions concerning combining Judaism with other faiths are inappropriate for soc.culture.jewish.parenting..." Please keep any replies to this message focussed on the issue of Jewish (not mixed-faith) childrearing. ***** [...] 1779 38 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5317] Re: Parents of two different faiths12_Ron Kritzman18_ron-k@mediaone.net29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:01:03 EDT365_- BrokinBitt wrote:

> I am pregnant and expecting my first child Aug 14th and I am not > jewish but the baby's father is {we aren't married}. I am LDS > {mormon} and am planning on raising the child jewish because I > strongly believe that the child should be the father's religion > until he/she is old to enough to make thier own decision > on faith. [...] 1818 42 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5319] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 123315_Marjorie Risman28_mrisman@ped1.med.uth.tmc.edu29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:30:00 EDT592_- I found the name of the book I described the other day, that presents scenarios about Jewish ethics and practices for discussion by young students. It is:

"Why Be Different" by Janice Prager and Arlene Lepoff, published in 1986 = by Behrman House.

I found it an excellent text for informing young religious school = students, with weak backgrounds, about aspects of Judaism they had never heard of = or=20 considered. These same kids who turned into zombies when I tried to teach them tefillah or history, really came alive when we used this book. As I recall, there are [...] 1861 59 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5320] Re: Parents of two different faiths16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:33:15 EDT620_- BrokinBitt wrote: >=20 > ***** > MODERATOR'S CAUTION: > The following is an excerpt from the SCJP FAQ: "...discussions > regarding how to raise children in > an intercultural environment are considered appropriate only insofar as > they focus on Jewish aspects > of the child's upbringing. Discussions concerning combining Judaism with > other faiths are inappropriate > for soc.culture.jewish.parenting..." > Please keep any replies to this message focussed on the issue of Jewish > (not mixed-faith) childrearing. > ***** >=20 > I am pregnant and expecting my first child Aug 14th and I am not > jewish but the [...] 1921 47 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5321] Re: Parents of two different faiths11_Leah Adezio16_sladezio@nac.net29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:08:33 EDT677_- ** Moderator's Reminder: ** As noted before, the SCJP charter says that "...discussions ** regarding how to raise children in an intercultural environment are ** considered appropriate only insofar as they focus on Jewish ** aspects of the child's upbringing. Discussions concerning ** combining Judaism with other faiths are inappropriate for ** soc.culture.jewish.parenting..." I also remind readers that the ** participants in the group run across all movements within ** Judaism; i.e., those that only accept matrilineal descent, to ** those that accept the Reform patrilineal descent decision, which ** says that a child of an interfaith relationship is considered [...] 1969 87 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5322] Re: Parents of two different faiths6_Robert20_Robert@spamblock.com29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:10:23 EDT490_- "BrokinBitt" wrote > I am pregnant and expecting my first child Aug 14th and I am not > Jewish but the baby's father is {we aren't married}. I am LDS > {mormon} and am planning on raising the child jewish because > I strongly believe that the child should be the father's religion until > he/she is old to enough to make thier own decision on faith. > I was wondering if there is anyone out there in a similar > situation with one parent being a different faith [...] 2057 40 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5323] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 12280_21_IREISS@samello.com.br29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:20:21 EDT527_- "Thirdly, too many opinions about brit milah confuse it with circumcision and confuse the doctor with the mohel." - Dov SCJ-PARENTING digest 1228

There is a medical condition called hypospadia which makes circumcision in the hands of a non medically trained mohel dangerous. For this reason, we cannot comdemn members of the medical community who have Mohel certification and perform a full kasher Brit in the hospital. We also cannot condemn parents of these children who chose this road as it was the safe one. [...] 2098 48 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5324] Re: Parents of two different faiths16_Evelyn C. Leeper24_eleeper@jagon.lucent.com29_Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:08:44 EDT556_- In article <397D1178.ADE6E559@mediaone.net>, Ron Kritzman wrote: > BrokinBitt wrote: > > > I am pregnant and expecting my first child Aug 14th and I am not > > jewish but the baby's father is {we aren't married}. I am LDS > > {mormon} and am planning on raising the child jewish because I > > strongly believe that the child should be the father's religion > > until he/she is old to enough to make thier own decision > > on faith. > > BrokinBitt, > Your dedication is admirable, but I would strongly suggest that you > consult [...] 2147 53 54_[SCJ-PARENTING:5325] Re: Mitzvot for a 3-year-old girl5_Yoxar13_yoxar@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:40:36 EDT531_- [Mod: This responds to an earlier post which said that girls under 12 = should not light candles]

And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took=20 Rebecca, and she became his wife; and he loved her. (Gen. 24:67)=20

Rashi comments: "That is to say, 'And he brought her into the tent and, = behold, she was like Sarah, his mother.' While Sarah was alive her Shabbat lights miraculously burned from one Friday to the next..." This exact same = phenomenon happened with Rebecca's Shabbat lights.=20 [...] 2201 66 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5326] Re: Parents of two different faiths16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:10:14 EDT629_- Leah Adezio wrote: > > ** Moderator's Reminder: > ** As noted before, the SCJP charter says that "...discussions > ** regarding how to raise children in an intercultural environment are > ** considered appropriate only insofar as they focus on Jewish > ** aspects of the child's upbringing. Discussions concerning > ** combining Judaism with other faiths are inappropriate for > ** soc.culture.jewish.parenting..." I also remind readers that the > ** participants in the group run across all movements within > ** Judaism; i.e., those that only accept matrilineal descent, to > ** those that accept the Reform patrilineal [...] 2268 64 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5327] Re: SCJ-PARENTING digest 122816_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:13:20 EDT343_- IREISS@samello.com.br wrote: > > "Thirdly, too many opinions about brit milah confuse it with circumcision > and confuse the doctor with the mohel." - Dov SCJ-PARENTING digest 1228 > > There is a medical condition called hypospadia which makes circumcision in > the hands of a non medically trained mohel dangerous. For this reason, we [...] 2333 47 56_[SCJ-PARENTING:5328] RE: parents of two different faiths11_Rob Levrant18_levrantr@rocky.edu29_Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:50:48 EDT348_- Stacy -

My wife and I are new parents to a 4 month old boy. I am Jewish and my=20 wife is not. Raised Catholic, she now considers herself to be a = Christian=20 but not a practicing member of the church. We agreed to raise our = children=20 as Jewish a number of years ago long before starting a family, for a = number=20 of reasons. [...] 2381 61 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5330] NJP advice column12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com29_Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:09:00 EDT569_- Hello!

I'm finishing up the next issue of NJP, and I thought maybe the intelligent and diverse crowd on this list could help me out with something...

In the last issue, I printed a letter in the "Word of Advice" column that read:

"How do you put second kids to sleep, when you are parenting each to sleep without leaving them to cry? I am the mother of so far two children--two-and-a-half and nine months. The two-year-old has always been challenging to put to sleep, and we still stay with her in her room until she falls asleep (some time [...] 2443 51 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5332] Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:56:37 EDT331_- We're going to be hosting a foreign exchange student in our home for the upcoming school year. Our 'son' is not Jewish, he's Lutheren, but non-interested, according to his biography.

Our family is observant. We keep a kosher home, we attend shul, kids go to day school... basically we're a nice Jewish household. :-) [...] 2495 59 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5333] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home11_Lisa Hertel13_lisa@thor.com29_Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:06:17 EDT568_- animzmirot wrote: > > We're going to be hosting a foreign exchange student in our home for the > upcoming school year. Our 'son' is not Jewish, he's Lutheren, but > non-interested, according to his biography. >

Too bad they couldn't find you a Jewish exchange student!

> Has anyone else been in this situation, and can you give me ideas on how > to handle it so as to appear reasonable and open whilst ensuring that > my household runs smoothly after a brief introductory period. Any > suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. > > Marjorie > > [...] 2555 106 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5334] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home13_Adelle Stavis30_Nospamcuthbertson@mediaone.net29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:10:00 EDT537_- Lisa had some great ideas. Combine your ideas with hers. A list of basic Kashrut with key terms in Dutch, combined w/labels on the cabinets, color coded towels and sponges would be helpful. Some specific parve knives, pot skillet, and cutting board for vegetarian food prep might be helpful as vegetarianism is (almost) universal at this point (no *new* rules to learn). It might be helpful for the student to know there are certain things that are always OK and that most vegetarian meals made from scratch will be safe choices. [...] 2662 73 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5335] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home16_Benjamin Hurwitz20_hurwitz@blaze.net.au29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:38:05 EDT545_- animzmirot wrote: > > We're going to be hosting a foreign exchange student in our home for the > upcoming school year. Our 'son' is not Jewish, he's Lutheren, but > non-interested, according to his biography. > > Our family is observant. We keep a kosher home, we attend shul, kids go > to day school... basically we're a nice Jewish household. :-) > > I want to make the transtition for this young man as comfortable as possible > without freaking him out. I imagine that it is scary enough to be in another > country (he's Danish) with [...] 2736 58 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5336] Re: NJP advice column12_Yael Resnick22_njpmail@mindspring.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:38:28 EDT286_- I think in my haste to send off my request for advice I didn't reread what I'd written - so I need to clarify that the advice I'm seeking is for a reader of Natural Jewish Parenting magazine (which I publish) whose letter was printed in the last issue's "Word of Advice" column. [...] 2795 38 49_[SCJ-PARENTING:5337] invitation list: Bat Mitzvah6_Betsey23_betseyk@columbus.rr.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:42:08 EDT298_- As we begin to draft the guest list for our daughter's becoming a Bat Mitzvah my husband and I have alternate views on how far into the family = we should go with invitations. I was brought up close to my extended family. Everyone was invited to everything, even though we didn't know them. [...] 2834 59 38_[SCJ-PARENTING:5338] exchange students22_Rabbi Richard Schachet16_lvrabbi@lvcm.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:55:25 EDT450_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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We have hosted students from Japan, Argentina, (one Jewish, one not =3D Jewish) and a few other countries.

It was not difficult-- we sghared that we are a Jewish family-- in a =3D letter to the student and the parents before coming here. [...] 2894 73 42_[SCJ-PARENTING:5339] Learning through Song13_Marcie Fraade20_Fraade@ix.netcom.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:28:41 EDT665_- This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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I will be working with preschool children, in a Reform synagogue early = childhood program this year, one afternoon a week, for a session called = Hebrew/Judaica and Nature. For the Hebrew part, I am looking for songs, = to familiar melodies, that we could use, with visual aids, to teach the = children Hebrew words for parts of the body, things at home, animals, = etc. If anyone can help me with either words/melodies or point me in a = direction for a book or [...] 2968 113 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5340] Re: Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home10_animzmirot19_animzmirot@home.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:28:43 EDT382_-

"Lisa Hertel" wrote in message news:39847038.116F9A0F@thor.com... > animzmirot wrote: > > > > We're going to be hosting a foreign exchange student in our home for the > > upcoming school year. Our 'son' is not Jewish, he's Lutheren, but > > non-interested, according to his biography. > > > > Too bad they couldn't find you a Jewish exchange student! [...] 3082 52 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5341] non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home19_Alexandra J Schmidt28_aschmidt@gematria.crd.ge.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:43:22 EDT453_-

I think it's terrific that you're hosting a foreign exchange student. A couple of suggestions that have been helpful for guests in our home (we have tons of non-kosher family, many of whom have been with us a lot in recent days Waiting for Kiddot).

1) Put reminder signs above the sink (in our home we have racks/mats/ sponges that are changed from meat to dairy, all color-coded, and the sign reminds people what goes with what). [...] 3135 35 67_[SCJ-PARENTING:5342] Re: non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home5_kgold20_kgold@watson.ibm.com29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:33:08 EDT344_-

I suggest also that you think out in advance how you will react when an error occurs - which it surely will. Then you will be more likely to repair the damage in a calm and reasoned manner, and less likely to treat it as a major catastrophe.

This advice surely applies to any visitor, as well and children ... and spouse. [...] 3171 68 63_[SCJ-PARENTING:5343] Non-Jewish exchange student in Jewish home15_Irene Bleiweiss16_IBLEIWEI@fcc.gov29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:39:49 EDT567_- I wonder how Marjorie and others who have non-Jews in their household for = extended periods of time handle differences about Shabbos observance. =20

While I think it is wonderful to participate in an exchange of culture, I = wonder how the student will react to a culture of not being able to write, = draw, cook, turn on the lights, TV/computer, etc. on the Sabbath. My kids = still find this difficult though we have be Shabbos observant for several = years. If you would not require a non-Jewish member of your household to = keep Shabbos, how will [...] 3240 103 50_[SCJ-PARENTING:5344] Managing the bar mitzvah year9_Dana Lear22_danalear@earthlink.net29_Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:56:28 EDT542_- The bat mitzvah invite post is on my mind, and I wrote this just before reading it. I know I wrote about money a few months ago, but am adding in time management and whom to invite to the mix.

We're just about to start the bar mitzvah year, and I don't quite know what to expect. We joined the synagogue late, so were give several dates, none of which were terribly close to Max's birthday, so I chose according to the Torah portion of the proffered dates [Korach] and what seemed convenient for family from away. We are firmly [...]