1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/mochin June 2001 2 54 43_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought14_Osher Doctorow19_osher@ix.netcom.com28_Fri, 1 Jun 2001 04:40:08 EDT625_- I agree with Stan Sambey. I will even go as far as to
conjecture that stress is a major developer of creative
genius under the right conditions, although even when
it is developed it must have the right environment.
Mozart and Beethoven had extremely stressful
childhoods (Beethoven's father was a drunk, although
he was also head of the royal orchestra; Mozart's
father pushed him very fast and relations were
strained). Kurt Godel spent much of his life paranoid
and went over the edge completely toward the end
(we owe him the proof that not everything in
mathematics can be proven [...]38_1Jun200104:40:08EDTosher@ix.netcom.com 57 54 40_Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought?0_18_kurmos@bigfoot.com28_Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:41:44 EDT561_- David wrote:

>Environment and training certainly can encourage
>and nurture genius but I believe that it is well
>established that genius, of the accepted kind,
>is both exceptional and innate. There is no
>environment, however privileged, that will make
>an Einstein or a Bach out of the "normal" child.
>In most cases, the best you will get is someone
>with a good level of technical competence. Yes,
>intuition and creativity can be cultivated but, in
>conventional settings at least, you cannot beat
>giftedness. [...]37_3Jun200100:41:44EDTkurmos@bigfoot.com 112 101 44_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought?16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il30_Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:27:53 +0300646_iso-8859-8 B'S"D

Hi Liam and friends,

>>intuition and creativity can be cultivated but, in
>>conventional settings at least, you cannot beat
>>giftedness.
>Do you mean that if we were to switch Beethoven
>in the womb, a moment after conception we would
>at best get technical competence?
Correct. Beethoven was special in that he had
special access to latent gifts that we all have but,
in conditions of distraction, are unable to awaken
regardless of advantage or womb. What was so
special about him, therefore, was not his genius,
per se, but his natural access to it. This is true of
all [...]41_4Jun200116:27:53+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 214 34 44_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought?15_in.zahav.net.il18_d-nir@zahav.net.il28_Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:27:33 EDT692_- I think the "genius" issue is not so complicated.
It is the one who has his physical (i.e. body-heart-mind)
functions of this plane adequately elaborated,
harmonized, focused, discerning,... and open to
the "life flow", such that his SOUL literally becomes
fully attached/cooperating with it, and can
channel/communicate bits and pieces
shed from the "UNKNOWNABLE" (like the ice bulks
disintegrating from the ice shelf in the poles,
falling to the ocean....), to where it travels, in
accordance with one's destined unfolding.
"Geniuses" access the more underlying
phenomena, the more "unified field" type of
things, relative to the state of art. [...]37_4Jun200119:27:33EDTd-nir@zahav.net.il 249 20 5_Books15_henry neal camp16_hugger@qwest.net28_Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:35:23 EDT610_- Here are two superb books I recommend to
anyone interested in creativitiy and/or genius:
The Cultural Creatives by Paul H. Ray and Sherry
Ruth Anderson, Harmony Books
and Liberating Everyday Genius by Mary-Elaine
Jacobsen, Ballentynbe Books.

Neal

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Dear Mochin subscribers, PM associates and friends,

This week's meeting went well in spite of the repeat of last
week's title and low attendance. Among the four people who
did come was an important, retired professor and well known
writer who specializes in physics and philosophy of science
and has a lot of connections. He responded very well, promised
to read the PM book and expressed interest in getting involved
in the project on some level. This time I did succeed in taping
the interview and hope soon to edit it down to something
manageable (it ran 2 hours, [...]41_6Jun200119:21:57+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 473 62 43_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought11_Stan Sambey18_stambo@hotmail.com28_Wed, 6 Jun 2001 18:02:16 EDT611_- Thanks for responding,

> >I'm curious about this 'accepted kind' of genius. Genius of math,
>This is covered in one of the PM book chapters
> >There are as many different types of genius as there
>Project Mind doesn't intend to dictate anything

I like the idea.

> >Without the proper environment, the level of
>I, myself made this same point in my last post. There
>is only one way to remove "happenstance" (your word -
>I call it Murphy's Law) from the world and that is to
>remove metaphysical blindness. This, happily, is the
>end purpose of Project Mind. [...]37_6Jun200118:02:16EDTstambo@hotmail.com 536 52 43_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il30_Thu, 7 Jun 2001 16:39:58 +0300640_iso-8859-8 Hi Stan,

>> >How about those individuals who discover 'GOD'
>> >unintentionally or accidentally?
>>Powerful encounters with the transcendent have
>>Accelerated Thought, I suspect that many of our
>>candidates will be making this discovery.
>This is of great interest to me. Religion/philosophy crossing over with
>science.

There are two aspects to the crossover:
1. Scientific contemplative effort of an intensity that realigns our
innards.
2. The experiential moment when contemplation becomes true meditation -
Accelerated Thought - where knowledge becomes holistic and direct. [...]41_7Jun200116:39:58+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 589 147 25_Lecture Theme for 18/6/0116_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:24:38 +0300640_iso-8859-1 B'S"D

Dear Subscribers, Associates and Friends,

Last night's meeting went exceptionally well and the
tape will be going out to Karen soon. In the meanwhile,
appended below is the subject of next Monday's talk.

You are all welcome to participate.

Blessings,
David
devor@projectmind.org
================================================================

PROJECT MIND FOUNDATION HOME LECTURE SERIES

“ DEFINING ISRAEL’S ‘CHOSEN-NESS’ ”

or

“To Creatively Eradicate Limitation (Tzimtzum)”

given by: David S. Devor, Exec. Director Project Mind Foundation [...]42_12Jun200112:24:38+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 737 41 43_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought11_Stan Sambey18_stambo@hotmail.com29_Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:02:03 EDT335_- Hello again,

I've been trying to find ways of quantifying the seperation of our
self/soul/essence from that of our physical interaction with reality. In
this quest I came up with two examples I was hoping to get some feedback on.
Perhaps I'm missing some basic tenet here, and if I am then please forgive
me. [...]38_19Jun200115:02:03EDTstambo@hotmail.com 779 57 43_Re: Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Wed, 20 Jun 2001 15:03:37 +0300681_iso-8859-8 Dear Stan et alia,

>According to my understanding of pysical law in our universe, for every
>action there is to be an opposite reaction. Now, what would be the case if
>an action existed that had no opposite reaction?
Action and reaction take place on many levels. When one speaks, or
listen, countless things are happening on countless levels. The thing
to keep is mind is that, subjectively, only two things can happen -
giving or receiving - that, in our world of duality, break down into four
possibilities:
1. Receiving-in-order-to-receive - representing childishness, greed or
criminality.
2. Giving-in-order-to-receive - [...]42_20Jun200115:03:37+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 837 44 63_Creative Genius vs. Accelerated Thought : (FOR STAN and others)0_24_hrmnir001@mail.uct.ac.za29_Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:09:26 EDT543_- Hi,

I think or perhaps I hope I understand Stans questioning.
and I think perhaps there are two views which I can give here.

1. All the examples which you have provided like conversation and reading
have an intense reaction actually. It might not be a physical reaction but
rather getting you one step closer to accelarated thought. In any activity
there is a reaction. It could be a Newtonian ( Classical Physics )
reaction, or on a more "mind" related concept the reaction is more powerful
and 'real'. [...]44_21Jun200108:09:26EDThrmnir001@mail.uct.ac.za 882 171 29_FW: MOCHIN: Moderated Message12_Sarah Rachel14_rochel@look.ca31_Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:43:32 -0500564_us-ascii -----Original Message-----
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>of index to methods for activating the mysterious forces. David
wants to provide a special refuge for those who can devote their life to
study of these techniques.

Now that would be very, very interesting. I would simply love to get some
more information on that project.

> > I think or perhaps I hope I understand Stans questioning.
> > and I think perhaps there are two views which I can give
>here.
> >
> > 1. All the examples which you have provided like conversation
>and reading have an intense reaction actually. It might [...]38_22Jun200113:42:26EDTstambo@hotmail.com 1415 52 0_0_18_kurmos@bigfoot.com29_Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:38:26 EDT561_- I'm replying to Stan's original post:

'For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'. This is a
statement concerning physical forces in physic, but I think it is the basic
duality at the root of it that you are referring to; in space, for every
forward there is a backward. 'A bat hits a ball in a cricket match', but
equally and oppositely 'A ball hit a bat'. The Taoist Lao Tsu said the
world
of things is created from the interplay heaven and earth. This is duality.
But Stan you ask, '. Now, what would be the [...]38_22Jun200115:38:26EDTkurmos@bigfoot.com 1468 70 33_Re: FW: MOCHIN: Moderated Message11_Stan Sambey18_stambo@hotmail.com29_Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:38:34 EDT318_- Hello Liam,

>'For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction'.
>This is a statement concerning physical forces in physic,
> but I think it is the basic duality at the root of it that you
> are referring to; in space,
>Are you asking if there are examples of non-duality? To go back [...]38_22Jun200115:38:34EDTstambo@hotmail.com 1539 106 16_quantifying self16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:47:30 +0300659_windows-1255 Dear Stan et alia,

> >1. Receiving-in-order-to-receive - representing childishness, greed or
criminality.
> When we are 'reading' we are absorbing data through perception regardless
of
> the language. As we know language affects perception in a variety of
> different ways. For example the written word and asian pictographs both
> transfer data to our perceptions while utilizing different areas of our
> mind. However, regardless of the medium of perception, the 'action' of
> reading has no physical reaction that I am aware of. We absorb the data
> without an opposite reaction. I don't think that this [...]42_24Jun200116:47:30+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 1646 99 15_Tomorrow's Talk16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:41:26 +0300513_Windows-1252 B'S"D

Dear Subscribers, Associates and Friends,

Last Monday's meeting entitled, “DEFINING ISRAEL’S ‘CHOSEN-NESS’ ” or “To Creatively Eradicate Limitation (Tzimtzum)” went well and we're beginning to have returnees. One professor has been back 3 times.

Tomorrow night, the subject is:“RAISING MORE THAN JUST SPARKS ” or "The Messianic Imperative” is to be held at my home at: 54 HaNeviim Street, Jerusalem 9:00 p.m., Monday, July 2 , 2001 tel: 624-0280. You are all welcome. [...]42_24Jun200121:41:26+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 1746 17 29_Re: MOCHIN: Moderated Message15_Marcus Robinson23_wetware@frontiernet.net29_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 00:44:42 EDT460_- What is the sound of action with no equal and opposite reaction?
Answer: G-D.

Marcus
www.ethoschannel.com

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First, thinking is a form of synthesis and some of which we are not
even aware. A key to higher thinking is to control our process so as not
to be mislead by our own assumptions.

Second, there was a note about your not knowing of a physical reaction
while reading. When a Dr. places an encephalogram on a patient's head to
detect brain waves the subject is given articles to read, shown
pictures, sounds are played, lights are flashed and some other stimuli
to cause reactions. These are shown on a tracing. Depending [...]39_25Jun200100:44:49EDTdrs37@earthlink.net 1797 54 52_Sound of action with no equal and opposite reaction?16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:32:50 +0300525_windows-1255 B'S"D

Hi Marcus et alia,

> What is the sound of action with no equal and opposite reaction?
> Answer: G-D.
While true enough, this answer tends to leave us out of the
picture and Stan clearly (and rightly) craves this experience
or at least an understanding of it. I suppose, the main point
is that once this state is achieved, perfect, silent communion
with the Creator has been achieved (through the integrated
unity of all and everything) and all manifestation ceases. [...]42_25Jun200114:32:50+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 1852 63 46_from: C.B. Willis: Equal and opposite reaction16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 14:48:15 +0300493_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message -----
From: "CB Willis"
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: Equal and opposite reaction

---------------------------
In the physical universe and in ordinary-mind logic, there are
opposites.
Equal and opposite reaction. For any "A", we can conceive of a
"not-A".
When we see opposition in our lives, we can know we're operating at a
lower level of vibration. Force rules at this level. [...]42_25Jun200114:48:15+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il 1916 38 31_Re: Equal and opposite reaction9_CB Willis22_cbwillis@lightlink.com29_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 07:49:49 EDT377_us-ascii [sorry if this is a re-send, my list subscription had a glitch, now
resolved]

In the physical universe and in ordinary-mind logic, there are
opposites. Equal and opposite reaction. For any "A", we can conceive of a
"not-A". When we see opposition in our lives, we can know we're operating at a lower level of vibration. Force rules at this level. [...]42_25Jun200107:49:49EDTcbwillis@lightlink.com 1955 18 56_RE: Sound of action with no equal and opposite reaction?10_Doug Evans16_doug@icparts.com29_Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:03:07 EDT445_windows-1255 Simply speaking, thinking is a reaction. It is the reaction to desire.

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I want to make my analogy clear to you. It is not really just an analogy
but
simply shows how science has advanced with perception perhaps.

Well here goes... I'll do my best

>>1. All the examples which you have provided like conversation and
>>reading have an intense reaction actually. It might not be a physical
>>reaction but rather getting you one step closer to accelarated thought.
>>In any activity there is a reaction. It could be a Newtonian ( Classical
>>Physics ) reaction, or on a more "mind" related concept the reaction is
>>more powerful and [...]44_26Jun200116:48:52EDThrmnir001@mail.uct.ac.za 2090 259 35_the graces of evolution [hennessey]16_Andrew Hennessey21_pegasus@easynet.co.uk29_Thu, 28 Jun 2001 17:16:24 EDT542_iso-8859-1 hi, here is a contribution to the project mind debate

THE GRACES OF EVOLUTION, represent a core of ethical belief which is
thought by the author to be central to the founding of a Civilisation from
fragmented factions, the undernourished, underloved and undereducated. It
ends with a few general rules for the interaction of the Human Race and
Human Civilisation with Extra Terrestrial or, Ultra Terrestrial Lifeforms,
and seeks to give guidelines on the dangers of ignorance and lack of
recognition. [...]41_28Jun200117:16:24EDTpegasus@easynet.co.uk 2350 101 57_Re: Cr. Genius vs. Acc. Thought :: Still responce to Stan16_devor@huji.ac.il20_devor@pob.huji.ac.il31_Fri, 29 Jun 2001 19:10:02 +0300599_iso-8859-1 Hi Nir,

> I want to make my analogy clear to you. It is not really just an
analogy
> but simply shows how science has advanced with perception perhaps.
I was not aware that the study of perception had progressed
to the point that we could draw these kinds of distinctions
from it.

> To all actions, there is a reaction. In out physical world, it is
easiest
> for most to see the physical reaction. Physical being motion of
material
> bodies.
>That is : science as described within Newtonian physics.
My problem is seeing how it applies [...]42_29Jun200119:10:02+0300devor@pob.huji.ac.il