1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/heblang July 2000 2 49 25_Re: Resh in modern Hebrew13_Richard Isaac18_rmisaac@eskimo.com37_Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:07:11 -0700 (PDT)545_US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Tsuguya Sasaki wrote:

> Richard Isaac wrote: > > > So you may prefer, but I prefer to transcribe it as I did, to indicate > > the shwa (and let the reader determine which shwa) instead of > > confusing a less knowledgeable reader that it might be written with > > a segol. Besides, when a ha- is added, I find my transliteration more > > accurate to Modern Hebrew, which I have studied and speak, without > > needing any alteration. > > First of all, decide whether you *transcribe* or *transliterate*; [...] 52 31 42_consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew14_Jay F Shachter16_jay@m5.chi.il.us36_Wed, 26 Jul 200 19:16:11 -0600 (CDT)429_US-ASCII Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that Tsuguya Sasaki would write on Wed Jul 26 17:07:09 2000:

> > Actually, all the consonants with the exception of > _tav_ without _dagesh_ are pronounced the same in Modern Hebrew and > Ashkenazic Hebrew. >

It is my distinct impression that many Israelis distinguish between xet and khaf. If I have been experiencing auditory hallucinations, please let me know. [...] 84 33 16_the Rashi script14_Jay F Shachter16_jay@m5.chi.il.us36_Wed, 26 Jul 200 19:22:27 -0600 (CDT)628_US-ASCII Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that Sefarad would write on Wed Jul 26 11:35:43 2000:

> > It is interesting to notice, that > also a Jewish French script was adopted to write the Sephardic dialect > Judeo-Spanish in the Ottoman Empire region, Rashi script. >

I do not claim scholarly knowledge in this area, but my understanding was that Rashi script was always a Sefardi script, and never a French script (i.e., Rashi's manuscripts were not written in Rashi script). This common Sefardi script acquired the popular name "Rashi" after Daniel Baumberg chose to use it for typesetting commentary. [...] 118 44 46_Re: consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew14_Tsuguya Sasaki15_tsuguya@gol.com31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:36:15 +0900550_iso-8859-1 Centuries ago, even Nostradamus could not predict that Jay F Shachter would write on Thursday, July 26, 2000:

> Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that Tsuguya Sasaki would write > on Wed Jul 26 17:07:09 2000: > > > Actually, all the consonants with the exception of _tav_ without > > _dagesh_ are pronounced the same in Modern Hebrew and > > Ashkenazic Hebrew. > > It is my distinct impression that many Israelis distinguish between > xet and khaf. If I have been experiencing auditory hallucinations, > please let me know. [...] 163 66 46_RE: consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew21_Rosenfelder, Yehezkel36_Yehezkel_Rosenfelder@icominfosys.com31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:55:02 +0300315_iso-8859-1 I am far from a scholar, but as an Ashkenazi Israeli I will add my layman's 2 cents worth:

1. Israelis tend NOT to distiguish between het and chaf in day to day speech, except those who learnt it from childhood surroundings and people who know better and care enough to correct their speech. [...] 230 47 46_FW: consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew12_Gali Nachman15_GaliN@msn.co.il31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:31:00 +0300516_- As an Israeli (a "sabra"), I can tell you you are definitely hallucinating... :) Only a very small community still distinguishes between the two.

Gali





-----Original Message----- From: jay@m5.chi.il.us [mailto:jay@m5.chi.il.us] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 10:00 AM To: Discussion of Hebrew Grammar and Etymology Subject: consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew



Centuries ago, Nostradamus predicted that Tsuguya Sasaki would write on Wed Jul 26 17:07:09 2000: [...] 278 66 25_RE: Resh in modern Hebrew12_Gali Nachman15_GaliN@msn.co.il31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:35:49 +0300659_- Please excuse my lay question, but isn't the Israeli "resh" and the Yiddish one similar? Maybe this is the real influence?

Gali

-----Original Message----- From: Sefarad [mailto:sefarad@geocities.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 6:39 PM To: Discussion of Hebrew Grammar and Etymology Subject: Resh in modern Hebrew



Dear friends,

You all know how the RESH is pronounced in modern Hebrew. It is similar to the French "R". I cannot find in Arabic (the dialect I have studied or other dialects I researched, except from some Algerian speakers) or any other Semitic language a word where the "R" is pronounced like the [...] 345 94 46_Re: consonantal pronunciation in Modern Hebrew10_Jerry Blaz19_ffdog@earthlink.net31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:08:54 -0700508_us-ascii Were someone to attempt to make a linguistic map of modern Israel, they would find that there is little in the way of regional dialects, but neither is there any uniformity of pronunciation. I have in mind an acquaintance, a woman in her fifties, born and raised in Jerusalem, who speaks Hebrew as though she was born in Germany and came to Israel in her late 20s. I can anecdotally recall many similar dialects, which are based on households and neighborhoods of settlement, used by Israelis. [...] 440 119 39_[Fwd: Pronunciation of Biblical Hebrew]12_Scott Reiter24_scottdc@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:25:12 -04009_us-ascii 560 107 28_[Fwd: Resh in modern Hebrew]12_Scott Reiter24_scottdc@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:25:50 -04009_us-ascii