1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet November 2007 2 1431 34_[QUAR] Re: WP - Nature or Nurture?15_Eilat Schwartzs23_arava_eilat@HOTMAIL.COM30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:50:52 +0200374_ISO-8859-1 I guess they never checked out the members of the Knesset or Israeli business people. How many Nobel prizes have been won by Israeli educated people?

Ethan Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: WP - Nature or Nurture?





Nature or Nurture? Well, Smart Guy? [...] 1434 1431 34_[QUAR] Re: WP - Nature or Nurture?15_Eilat Schwartzs23_arava_eilat@HOTMAIL.COM30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:51:12 +0200374_ISO-8859-1 I guess they never checked out the members of the Knesset or Israeli business people. How many Nobel prizes have been won by Israeli educated people?

Ethan Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:41 PM Subject: WP - Nature or Nurture?





Nature or Nurture? Well, Smart Guy? [...] 2866 1145 38_Re: [QUAR] Re: WP - Nature or Nurture?13_avi rosenberg17_avir673@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:04:12 +0200721_ISO-8859-1 8 according to this site: http://www.answers.com/topic/nobel-laureates-by-country That also includes Peres, Rabin and Begin. I don't think there is a Nobel prize for business.

Avi Rosenberg



On 11/1/07, Eilat Schwartzs wrote: > > I guess they never checked out the members of the Knesset or Israeli > business people. How many Nobel prizes have been won by Israeli educated > people? > > Ethan Schwartz > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Elihu D. Davison > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:41 PM > *Subject:* WP - Nature or Nurture? > > > [image: washingtonpost.com] *Nature > [...] 4012 23 23_Nature or Nurture redux16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:23:26 -0400337_ISO-8859-1 So much to-do made of so few folk who have nonetheless become and remained consequential against all the odds to an extent far beyond their statistical representation w/in the general population. And it's all in counterpoint to the first jokeline ""The Arabs get the oil, and we have to cut off the ends of our what?..." [...] 4036 60 27_Re: Nature or Nurture redux12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 10:11:59 -0700281_iso-8859-1 My question is what is going to happen to all of the Arabs (and world politics) when we really find that magic key of an alternative to oil???...I don't think it is that far away...We will find a way to live without oil, but we can't live without our brains....Sue [...] 4097 86 27_Re: Nature or Nurture redux5_Amnon22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:53:27 +0200591_ISO-8859-1 Sue, It's more painful than you think (quoting Elihu) > ""The >> Arabs get the oil, and >> we have to cut off the ends of our what?..." Genesis tells us that our little boys are spared much of the pain that Ishmael had to undergo "Then Abraham took his son Ishmael" (17:23); "his son Ishmael was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin." But what the heck even,"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." -Shakespeare The Merchant of Venice. Act I, scene iii, Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" [...] 4184 411 74_Paparazzi, Beware! Hollywood Stars Have a Secret Weapon: Israeli Commandos13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:55:23 +0200686_us-ascii Paparazzi, Beware! Hollywood Stars Have a Secret Weapon: Israeli Commandos



Rebecca Spence | Wed. Oct 24, 2007

Los Angeles - When Kevin Federline's lawyer wanted to serve Britney Spears's closest associates with subpoenas during the ill-fated duo's recent custody battle, he hired a former Israeli commando to get the job done.

While this service may not have necessitated counter-terrorism expertise, the ex-Israeli operative who carried out the mission, Aaron Cohen, has built a career on the premise that protecting celebrities has more in common with nabbing Islamic radicals than may be apparent. Cohen, 31, is the founder of IMS Security [...] 4596 35 46_Trita Parsi interview: Iran, Israel and the US19_Samuel D. Bernofsky22_samuelbernof@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:14:30 -0700655_us-ascii This is a link to a very interesting interview with Trita Parsi about Iran, Israel and the US. The segment also begins with a short segment from Steve Scher's interview with President Bill Clinton. Here is a link to the audio segment: http://www.kuow.org/programs/weekday.asp?Archive=11-02

This is KUOWs blurb about the interview.

Iran: Is a Cold Peace with Iran Possible? Trita Parsi interviewed over 100 senior officials in Iran, Israel and U.S. to research his new book, Treacherous Alliance: The Secret Dealings of Iran, Israel and the United States. Is war with Iran likely? Does it matter which party wins the presidency [...] 4632 106 22_Need an accurate count15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM30_Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:44:58 -0400357_US-ASCII Chevre, Shavuah tov

B'vakasha

Can someone please count up the number of names that appear on the linked page and tell me how many of them have serious Habonim Dror connections, who they are, and what their Habo connections are or were?

Please feel free to forward this request to others who may be able to fill in blanks. [...] 4739 3093 33_JTA - NYT Magazine Jewish Problem16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:04:02 -0500692_ISO-8859-1

The Telegraph: From the desk of JTA managing editor Ami Eden

Does the NYT Magazine have a Jewish problem?

* Author: Ami Eden

Thursday Oct 25,2007

The public editor of The New York Times, Clark Hoyt, recently gave a real spanking to the Sunday magazine and Deborah Solomon over her approach to the weekly "Questions For" feature. Next time he has the magazine on the brain, maybe he could get to a question that's been bugging me for months: Does the NYT Magazine have a Jewish problem? [...] 7833 82 33_Gilboa and Habonim in the Forward0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:09:00 -0500694_utf-8 Hats off to Gilboa for doing us proud!

Check out the article below.

Ken

The Progressive Jewish Alliance — a California grass-roots social action group and another of the event’s co-sponsors — first kicked off its “kosher” clothing campaign three years ago. That campaign, according to Jaime Rapaport, the activist group’s Southern California regional director, has included reaching out to Jewish organizations to urge them to buy T-shirts from sweatshop-free outlets. In Southern California, Temple Isaiah, Hillel at the Claremont Colleges and Camp Gilboa (which is sponsored by the Habonim Dror Youth Movement), among others, have signed on to the [...] 7916 388 19_from the Forward 5016_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:00:59 -0500662_us-ascii > the anarchic Labor Zionist youth movement, Habonim Dror



"Anarchic"? Really? Coulda fooled me...



Seth Rogen and Judd ApatowSeth Rogen and Judd Apatow Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow have been called the saviors of film comedy, and their two box office hits this year perfect the art of transforming classic zhlubs into lovable super-Jew heroes. In "Knocked Up" (written and directed by Apatow), Rogen plays a pothead couch potato who unintentionally impregnates a beautiful blond shiksa and, after a series of awkward events, cleans up his act and wins her heart. "Superbad" (co-written by Rogen, produced by Apatow) is a [...] 8305 59 23_Re: from the Forward 5011_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM28_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:17:08 EST582_US-ASCII Maybe some of us are archiac but not Habonim.......Sylvia





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Norm ---- "Elihu D. Davison" wrote: > the anarchic Labor Zionist youth movement, Habonim Dror



"Anarchic"? Really? Coulda fooled me...



Seth Rogen and Judd ApatowSeth Rogen and Judd Apatow Seth Rogen and Judd Apatow have been called the saviors of film comedy, and their two box office hits this year perfect the art of transforming classic zhlubs into lovable super-Jew heroes. In "Knocked Up" (written and directed by Apatow), Rogen plays a pothead couch potato who unintentionally impregnates a beautiful blond shiksa and, after a series of awkward events, cleans up his [...] 8431 38 40_a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?0_21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:58:33 -0500690_us-ascii Talk about yer anarchic zionism...

Did this really happen? How is it possible there has been no discussion here at habonet? Are the murderous forces of the right wing once again making open threats against elected government officials?

Noam

++++

If This Peace Process Fails

By Jackson Diehl Thursday, November 8, 2007; Page A27

JERUSALEM -- In a bold speech broadcast on national television Sunday night, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert explicitly overturned the judgments that have guided Israeli governments for the past seven years. Israel, he said, does have a worthy negotiating partner in the Palestinian Authority. It cannot afford [...] 8470 69 44_Re: a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:13:49 -0700340_us-ascii NOam,

I would have mentioned it but have been way too busy learning the chords to "Lee Harvey Oswald Died for Our Sins" and "The John Wilkes Booth Boogie." Both of these ditties get high rotation on Ipods at The American Enterprise and Heritage Institutes. I really love Rudy's version which he did in drag. Hilarious! [...] 8540 65 44_Re: a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:27:49 -0500436_iso-8859-1 Phil,

A google search doesn't turn up either. Please share the lyrics or explain yourself.

I certainly didn't intend to imply that the Israeli right has a monopoly on making threats against government officials (or making them good).

I wonder how it is that you have good info on what actually goes on inside the American Enterprise Institute or the Heritage Institute (don't you mean Foundation?)? [...] 8606 77 44_Re: a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:05:59 -0700676_us-ascii Explain myself?!?!

Shirley U. Jest



At 06:27 PM 11/8/2007 -0500, Noam Stopak wrote: >Phil, > >A google search doesn't turn up either. Please share the lyrics or >explain yourself. > >I certainly didn't intend to imply that the Israeli right has a monopoly >on making threats against government officials (or making them good). > >I wonder how it is that you have good info on what actually goes on inside >the American Enterprise Institute or the Heritage Institute (don't you >mean Foundation?)? > >Cheers, > >Noam > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Safier" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November [...] 8684 40 44_Re: a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:00:31 -0500463_iso-8859-1 Right. What was I thinking?

:-)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Safier" To: Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:05 PM Subject: Re: a stadium sings in praise of Yigal Amir?



> Explain myself?!?! > > Shirley U. Jest > > > At 06:27 PM 11/8/2007 -0500, Noam Stopak wrote: >>Phil, >> >>A google search doesn't turn up either. Please share the lyrics or >>explain yourself. [...] 8725 23 19_To Die in Jerusalem0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET30_Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:59:23 -0800338_utf-8 I have just finished watching this film on HBO for the second time. The last fifteen minutes is perhaps the most depressing conversation I have heard in a long time. the conversation between the mother of a 17 year old Israeli girl who was blown up by an 18 year old Palestinian girl, and that girls mother is painful to hear. [...] 8749 72 23_Re: To Die in Jerusalem12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:16:46 -0800622_iso-8859-1 I also was very depressed after seeing this...but it does explain the disconnect between the Israeli consciousness and that of Palestinians; while israelis search fro some kind of peace and some kind of relationship--the Palestinian may, on the surface, spout words which from time to time sound like a "connect"--but deep down, the pain and suffering is too much for them to get away from the terrorist rhetoric. I na perfect world, these mothers would meet, hug, and --as Rachel's mother said "do something" and raise their voices as mothers....In a way, I thought of "Lysistrata"---but the world is far [...] 8822 74 23_Re: from the Forward 500_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:46:14 -0500 8897 158 23_Re: from the Forward 500_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 16:39:26 -0500485_us-ascii



It will win followers for Habonim among the young out there. this is good How many "young" read the FORWARD?



-----Original Message----- From: jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:46 am Subject: Re: from the Forward 50





Anarchy is good, I think! but as they say, any publicity is better than no publicitty. It will win followers for Habonim among the young out there. this is good. [...] 9056 101 23_Re: from the Forward 5011_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:39:20 -0500385_iso-8859-1 Avi,

Perhaps not many subscribe, but my daughter, age 12, surprised me by printing out an article from Forward.com for a Hebrew school assignment. Google reaches lots of interesting corners of the web.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: jlcaa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: from the Forward 50 [...] 9158 188 23_Re: from the Forward 500_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:01:23 -0500528_us-ascii

Kol? Hakavod!!!

Until a week or two ago I was Secretary of the Forward. I know what our reader profile is like and there aren't too many young people who read the paper. There is a valiant effort being made to reach younger audiences but it is a struggle.





Avi,?

?

Perhaps not many subscribe, but my daughter, age 12, surprised me by printing out an article from Forward.com for a Hebrew school assignment.? Google reaches lots of interesting corners of the web. [...] 9347 125 43_We're coming back/ Yair Lapid/ YNET English16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:15:11 -08001094_iso-8859-1 We’re coming back

Lull we enjoyed in past two years evaporating; Israelis reverting to old, bad selves Published: 11.10.07, 17:20 / Israel Culture



P{margin:0;} UL{margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;margin-right: 16; padding-right:0;} OL{margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;margin-right: 32; padding-right:0;} H3.pHeader {margin-bottom:3px;COLOR: #192862;font-size: 16px;font-weight: bold;margin-top:0px;} P.pHeader {margin-bottom:3px;COLOR: #192862;font-size: 16px;font-weight: bold;} var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();var is_major = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);var is_ie = ((agt.indexOf("msie") != -1) & (agt.indexOf("opera") == -1));var is_ie5 = (is_ie & (is_major == 4) & (agt.indexOf("msie 5.0")!=-1) ); function txt_link(type,url,urlAtts) { switch (type){ case 'external' : if( urlAtts != '' ) {var x = window.open(unescape(url),'newWin',urlAtts)} else {document.location = unescape(url);} break; case 'article' : urlStr = '/articles/0,7340,L-to_replace,00.html';url=urlStr.replace('to_replace',url); if( urlAtts == '' || !urlAtts) {document.location [...] 9473 55 21_Seeking commom ground16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:54:27 -0800420_iso-8859-1 Thought you would be interested to know that Vivian Silver and Amal Elsana Alh'jooj will be in the United States next week on both the East and West Coast.

Amal will be speaking at the Other Israel Film Festival at the JCC in Manhattan on Sunday, November 11 at 7 p.m. She will speak about Bedouin society in Israel following the screening of "The Film Class" and Q&A with director Uri Rosenwaks. [...] 9529 57 19_an interesting idea16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 00:22:40 -0800619_iso-8859-1 About FreeRice FreeRice is a sister site of the world poverty site, Poverty.com. FreeRice has two goals:

Provide English vocabulary to everyone for free. Help end world hunger by providing rice to hungry people for free. This is made possible by the sponsors who advertise on this site. Whether you are CEO of a large corporation or a street child in a poor country, improving your vocabulary can improve your life. It is a great investment in yourself. Perhaps even greater is the investment your donated rice makes in hungry human beings, enabling them to function and be productive. Somewhere [...] 9587 91 22_Crossroads Comedy Tour16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 07:43:54 -0800716_iso-8859-1 Crossroads Comedy Tour 2007 Posted by: "Dena Wimpfheimer" dena@djwconsult.com Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:34 am ((PST))

Save the date(s):

The Crossroads Comedy Tour 2007 Jerusalem Wednesday, December 12th The Maabada

Beit Shemesh Thursday, December 13th Club Tzora

Raanana Saturday Night, December 15th Yad LaBanim

Tel Aviv Sunday, December 16th ZOA House

Featuring Hollywood Performers:

Mark Schiff - Mad About You, Roseanne, opening act for Jerry Seinfeld John Mulrooney - Comic Strip Live, The Tonight Show Reggie McFadden - Curb Your Enthusiasm, HBO's Def Comedy Jam Avi Liberman - Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson, Comedy Central's Premium Blend [...] 9679 83 25_Re: Seeking commom ground11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:07:28 +0000568_- Hi, Any word if they will be in the Bay Area?

Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Rosalind Barland Thought you would be interested to know that Vivian Silver and Amal Elsana Alh'jooj will be in the United States next week on both the East and West Coast.

Amal will be speaking at the Other Israel Film Festival at the JCC in Manhattan on Sunday, November 11 at 7 p.m. She will speak about Bedouin society in Israel following the screening of "The Film Class" and Q&A with director Uri Rosenwaks. [...] 9763 94 23_Re: from the Forward 5011_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:09:18 +0000381_- Though this specific article may not reach many kids, they are all on google and other sources where they are quickly learning about their partners in the Habonim community, so it does get out and the kids are taking notice. The "cool factor" does not escape many.

Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Noam Stopak [...] 9858 108 27_Re: Crossroads Comedy Tour-12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:15:34 -0800634_iso-8859-1 Amnon- GO!!--You'll laugh!!!-- Roz--Thanks for posting that!....susie





--- Rosalind Barland wrote:

> Crossroads Comedy Tour 2007 > Posted by: "Dena Wimpfheimer" > dena@djwconsult.com > Date: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:34 am ((PST)) > > Save the date(s): > > The Crossroads Comedy Tour 2007 > Jerusalem > Wednesday, December 12th > The Maabada > > Beit Shemesh > Thursday, December 13th > Club Tzora > > Raanana > Saturday Night, December 15th > Yad LaBanim > > Tel Aviv > Sunday, December 16th > ZOA House > > Featuring Hollywood Performers: > > Mark Schiff - Mad About You, [...] 9967 80 25_Re: Seeking commom ground16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:31:18 -0800442_iso-8859-1 I wold imagine that if you called you could find out. Rozzie

Batel Libes wrote: Hi, Any word if they will be in the Bay Area?

Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Rosalind Barland Thought you would be interested to know that Vivian Silver and Amal Elsana Alh'jooj will be in the United States next week on both the East and West Coast. [...] 10048 277 25_Re: Seeking commom ground0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:16:50 -0500502_utf-8

Rozzie:





Thanks for posting this information. Ameinu has actually put much of their North America schedule together and is co-sponsoring Amal's appearance at the film festival in NY this evening and all of the Los Angeles events, including the Temple Emanuel public event. I urge people to attend, if possible.

Sorry Batel, there is no Bay Area stop this time, although they have both been there in previous US trips. We'll try to include it next time. [...] 10326 1234 24_[QUAR] an upcoming visit16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:36:20 -0800502_iso-8859-1 Visit to America









Dear Colleague,

We thought you would be interested to know that Vivian Silver and Amal Elsana Alh'jooj will be in the United States next week on both the East and West Coast.

Amal will be speaking at the Other Israel Film Festival at the JCC in Manhattan on Sunday, November 11 at 7 p.m. She will speak about Bedouin society in Israel following the screening of "The Film Class" and Q&A with director Uri Rosenwaks. [...] 11561 25 47_It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:51:41 -0700612_us-ascii Noam,

Although this doesn't explain myself, it explains a lot. Enjoy.

Phil

It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY

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> Noam, > > Although this doesn't explain myself, it explains a lot. Enjoy. > > Phil > > It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married) http:// > www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > For other options go to: http://listserv.SHAMASH.ORG/ [...] 11628 47 51_Re: It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:31:32 -0700700_us-ascii Hi Julie. Glad you appreciated that one. Check out "Atheism is the Space Between Forms." (Spoiler alert... don't read below if going to YouTube.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vikk5LMd6oY











punchline: "Religion is the Photoshop of the Masses."

Phil (Just another boy trying to spread some joy.)





At 05:54 PM 11/11/2007 -0500, Julie Esris wrote: >That's pretty Goddam funny. >On Nov 11, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Phil Safier wrote: > >>Noam, >> >>Although this doesn't explain myself, it explains a lot. Enjoy. >> >>Phil >> >>It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married) http:// >>www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY [...] 11676 61 51_Re: It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married)11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:51:39 -0500572_US-ASCII That third boob looked disturbingly real. On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Phil Safier wrote:

> Hi Julie. Glad you appreciated that one. Check out "Atheism is the > Space Between Forms." (Spoiler alert... don't read below if going > to YouTube.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vikk5LMd6oY > > > > > > > punchline: > "Religion is the Photoshop of the Masses." > > Phil > (Just another boy trying to spread some joy.) > > > > At 05:54 PM 11/11/2007 -0500, Julie Esris wrote: >> That's pretty Goddam funny. >> On Nov 11, 2007, at 5:51 PM, Phil Safier wrote: [...] 11738 72 51_Re: It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:05:29 -0700652_us-ascii As does G-d to disturbed boobs. Really.



At 06:51 PM 11/11/2007 -0500, Julie Esris wrote: >That third boob looked disturbingly real. >On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:31 PM, Phil Safier wrote: > >>Hi Julie. Glad you appreciated that one. Check out "Atheism is the >>Space Between Forms." (Spoiler alert... don't read below if going >>to YouTube.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vikk5LMd6oY >> >> >> >> >> >> >>punchline: >>"Religion is the Photoshop of the Masses." >> >>Phil >>(Just another boy trying to spread some joy.) >> >> >> >>At 05:54 PM 11/11/2007 -0500, Julie Esris wrote: >>>That's pretty Goddam funny. >>>On Nov 11, 2007, [...] 11811 124 23_Re: from the Forward 500_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:20:28 -0500 11936 43 51_Re: It's All Because (The Gays Are Getting Married)13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:45:39 -0500670_us-ascii Wonderful! Judy

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Multi-Year Plan to Strengthen IDF Conventional Capabilities



Lesson of the War with Hezbollah: Military Cannot Exclusively Focus on Counter-Terror Ops, Long-Range Strike and C4I



The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has reprioritized its acquisition schedule for years to come as a consequence of lessons learned from the summer 2006 battles with Hezbollah. Prior to the conflict, Israel's defense spending had been focused on communications, systems integration, and network-centric battle systems at the expense of ground combat training and readiness. The new plan will have the IDF concentrate on bolstering manpower over technology in an effort to protect Israel from the wide [...] 12673 122 50_Songs for Saturday night maybe at Kikar Rabin.....16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:09:54 -0800450_iso-8859-1 Hi All, I've been asked a few times to post my busking lyrics. Sorry for the delay. Here are some and feel free to add your own verses in the true folk tradition. I continue to make up new ones as I go along. Know that on Sunday, Ben Gurion Day, when all the "big wigs" come to the Negev for the day, make speeches and leave till next year, I'm going to be out there singing. whether or not they listen is another question.... Laurie [...] 12796 48 29_the "right" road to peace...?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:48:39 -0500465_us-ascii http://hayozma.org/Default.aspx?lng=Eng

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Anti-Semitism and the Left that Doesn't Learn

By Mitchell Cohen (online) I.

A DETERMINED offensive is underway. Its target is in the Middle East, and it is an old target: the legitimacy of Israel. Hezbollah or Hamas are not the protagonists, the contested terrains are not the Galilee and southern Lebanon or southern Israel and Gaza. The means are not military. The offensive comes from within parts of the liberal and left intelligentsia in the United States and Europe. It has nothing to do with this or that negotiation between Israelis and Palestinians, and it has nothing to do with [...] 13681 128 33_Re: the "right" road to peace...?12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:31:16 -0800640_iso-8859-7 From their website under "Principles": 3. Israeli sovereignty in Judea and Samaria The status of Arab residents of Judea and Samaria The dismantling of the refugee camps as part of a process of rehabilitation will reduce the Arab population in Judea and Samaria and minimize poverty and over-crowding in Palestinian towns. The Arab population that will continue to reside inside the new borders of the State of Israel will enjoy full human rights awarded by the State of Israel, but they will possess Jordanian-Palestinian citizenship, and their political rights will be realized in Amman. There will be limited autonomy in [...] 13810 21 13_Alte Rockers!11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:56:39 -0700575_us-ascii "Hope I die before I get old." Must see IV. The Zimmers' version of "My Generation"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqfFrCUrEbY&feature=related

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-----Original Message----- From: Rosalind Barland To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 6:09 am Subject: Songs for Saturday night maybe at Kikar Rabin.....





Hi All,

? I've been asked a few times to post my busking lyrics. Sorry for the delay. Here are some and feel free to add your own verses in the true folk tradition. I continue to make up new ones as I go along. [...] 14206 47 15_al - dura trial13_Steve Hancoff12_SHX2@AOL.COM29_Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:11:02 EST567_US-ASCII http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWQcRd_Mg60





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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEBSBLYBD1w

If you're on YouTube please leave feedback in the comments section!

JE

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 14398 71 20_Jewish disengagement16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0800647_iso-8859-1 This new crisis in American Jewry has more to do with Israel than the formal leadership cares to acknowledge. Many American Jews, especially the new, highly-educated generation, cannot glibly concur with the stated positions of those who purportedly speak in their name. They find little solace in communal life unconnected to central issues on the national and global agenda. Discouraged from voicing their opinions, they prefer to opt out in growing numbers. Unless the muzzle on Israel-related issues is removed, this situation may become permanent, severely affecting the vibrancy of Jewish life - in Israel as well as the US. [...] 14470 22 21_and yet another video11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:35:42 -0500488_US-ASCII Made this video with footage I shot in Prospect Park in summer 2006... What happens in Prospect Park stays in Prospect Park... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeXkQzY8eAg

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 14493 53 15_new Hebrew verb13_avi rosenberg17_avir673@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:49:36 +0200599_ISO-8859-1 Here's a explanation, from the NPR radio show: "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me", of the new Hebrew verb "l'condel" which I have never heard of until now, but it's fun to listen to. Go to: http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35 and click on Panel Round 2.

Avi Rosenberg

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Outpost, November 2007 By Moshe Sharon





Everybody says that his donkey is a horse. There is no tax on words. (Two Arab proverbs)





On December 25th 1977, at the very beginning of the negotiations between Israel and Egypt in Ismailia, I had the opportunity to have a short discussion with Muhammad Anwar Sadat the president of Egypt. “Tell your Prime Minister, he said, that this is a bazaar; the merchandise is expensive.” I told my Prime Minister but he failed to abide by the rules of the bazaar. The failure was not unique to [...] 14698 331 61_Save the Date: Rally for Peace in Annapolis on Monday Nov. 260_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:51:19 -0500608_utf-8





A group of progressive pro-Israel organizations are working to organize a Rally for Palestinian-Israeli Peace at Annapolis on Monday Nov. 26, from 1 pm – 3 pm. We are organizing at least one bus from New York City to Annapolis, and invite participation from anyone who would like to drive or would like a ride to attend the rally from the Maryland/DC area as well as other cities. When the City of Annapolis approves our permit request, we will announce additional details. Parking information and exact rally location will be announced no later than Sunday, [...] 15030 52 15_new Hebrew verb13_avi rosenberg17_avir673@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:26:08 +0200562_ISO-8859-1 New Hebrew verb "l'condel", which I have never heard of until now, from the NPR radio show: "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me". Fun to listen to. Go to: http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=35 and click on Panel Round 2.

Avi Rosenberg

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A group of progressive pro-Israel organizations are working to organize a Rally for Palestinian-Israeli Peace at Annapolis on Tuesday Nov. 27, from 1 pm – 3 pm. We are organizing at least one bus from New York City to Annapolis, and invite participation from anyone who would like to drive or would like a ride to attend the rally from the Maryland/DC area as well as other cities. When the City of Annapolis approves our permit request, we will announce additional details. Parking information and exact rally location will be announced no later than Monday, [...] 15449 30 19_Just FYI...From Sue12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:31:33 -0800364_iso-8859-1 My comedian son, Avi--who will be in Israel in December with another tour, left Sunday for two weeks in Afghanistan with a few other comedians to entertain the troops...He will be spending Thanksgiving there.....Despite the awful situation of the "world"--we all do have a lot to be thankful for....Happy Turkey Day to those of us in America...sue [...] 15480 110 23_Re: Just FYI...From Sue11_Sylvia Lask14_smlbov@AOL.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:58:57 -0500672_us-ascii And to everyone out there also, we do have a lot to be thankful for and so I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday with family and or friends.? Sylvia



-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 9:31 am Subject: Just FYI...From Sue





My comedian son, Avi--who will be in Israel in December with another tour, left Sunday for two weeks in Afghanistan with a few other comedians to entertain the troops...He will be spending Thanksgiving there.....Despite the awful situation of the "world"--we all do have a lot to be thankful for....Happy Turkey Day [...] 15591 86 36_Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:26:50 -0800303_utf-8



I never knew Abe Foxman had ties to Habonim Dror. i am shocked to find out Habonim Dror is an extremist nationalist socialist movement. And if our goal is to indoctrinate kids we do a piss poor job of it, based on discussions on this board of former members.

Norm Kane [...] 15678 184 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:40:02 +0000603_us-ascii Bleeding hearts of the world unite. Honestly, I really want to smash something whenever I hear/read about people accusing Habonim-Dror of "brainwashing," (unless they just mean it as a joke, obviously).

I will not name names, but I did read somebody's Live Journal. This person said that they felt guilty because they had been brainwashed as a kid at Galil and passed this ideology onto a new generation when they became a madrich/a, thus perpetuating the cycle. This person said they felt very guilty, and that HD was akin to a "cult," and they felt responsible for one person who [...] 15863 101 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:09:47 -0800544_iso-8859-1 I am also very "amused" at people who attack Habonim without really knowing what it was ( and maybe is)....When you look at who came out of it (including Sasha Baron Cohen, Seth Rogen, not to mention politicians, social workers, doctors, university professors, publishers, teachers, etc etc...It is a joke around my office "We are everywhere!".....and I am proud of it.......so the rest of the world--whoever they are--can all "bite".....By the way- consider the source of this quote--sounds like a misinformed jerk to me...sue [...] 15965 137 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:33:22 +0000438_- I, on the other hand, have no problem saying that Habonim is a cult, as once you've been in Habonim, regardless of your future connection, it is a part of you that you can't dismiss. I also send my kids to machane and the movement so they would get the right brainwashing and not one provided elsewhere which I dislike. I tell parents that being part of Habonim grounds my kids and I know they won't join cults I don't approve of. [...] 16103 382 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:14:38 -0600474_ISO-8859-1 If you look at this site you will see that it lists Harvard University, Greenpeace, ACLU, Amnesty International, Brandeis University, CBS, Democratic Party, NOW, New York Times and just about every other entity that is not extreme right wing under the heading "/Comprehensive List of Open Borders, Communist and Illegal Alien Financial Support Groups/". Why would anybody waste their time reading, responding to or discussing a garbage site like this? Shawn [...] 16486 342 31_Re: Google Alert - Habonim Dror11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:58:55 -0500605_US-ASCII Hmm sounds like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's love child. On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:14 PM, Shawn Eli Barland wrote:

> If you look at this site you will see that it lists Harvard > University, Greenpeace, ACLU, Amnesty International, Brandeis > University, CBS, Democratic Party, NOW, New York Times and just > about every other entity that is not extreme right wing under the > heading "Comprehensive List of Open Borders, Communist and Illegal > Alien Financial Support Groups". > Why would anybody waste their time reading, responding to or > discussing a garbage site like this? > [...] 16829 21 10_Abe Foxman16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:45:06 -0500494_ISO-8859-1 Abe Foxman was never in Habonim. As a kid he spent time in B'nai Akiva. The website you chanced upon is not only paranoid schizophrenic; it is just incorrect, perhaps purposefully so.

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I set up a Google alert for any mention of Habonim Dror. Most of the times it is interesting but obviously sometimes it is from a lunatic. [...] 16978 448 29_Writers Strike a Jewish Issue0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:37:18 -0500675_utf-8

Editorial in the Jewish Journal of Los Angeles.



http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=18518



Come, let us reason

By Rob Eshman, Editor-in-Chief / Jewish Journal of L.A. / November 16, 2007







The Writers Strike is a Jewish issue.



How do I know that? Because everyone is saying it's not. The writers who are demanding a larger share of DVD rights and residuals for their work and the producers who refuse to give it to them both say, repeatedly, that despite the fact that so many of them happen to be Jewish, the strike is not -- as Jewish writers and producers [...] 17427 46 33_Re: Writers Strike a Jewish Issue11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:21:39 -0700714_us-ascii http://www.videosift.com/video/Not-the-Daily-Show-Writer-for-Jon-Stewart-Tells-Us-the-News

Not the Daily Show--Writer for Jon Stewart Tells Us the News

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Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Safier To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: Writers Strike a Jewish Issue



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Not the Daily Show--Writer for Jon Stewart Tells Us the News ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In-Depth Issues:





() ? ? --U.S. Provided Information about Syrian Air Defenses Before Israeli Attack - David A. Fulghum and Robert Wall (Aviation Week) ? ? The U.S. provided Israel with information about Syrian air defenses before Israel attacked a suspected nuclear site in Syria on Sep. 6. ? ? The main attack was preceded by an engagement with a single Syrian radar site at Tall al-Abuad near the Turkish border. The radar site was struck with a combination of electronic attack and precision bombs to allow the Israeli force to enter and exit Syrian airspace unobserved. ? ? Subsequently, [...] 17691 152 34_From Aliya re: this weekend in NYC0_13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:31:29 -0500372_us-ascii Dear Chevreh,

Thought this might interest Habonetters who are in NYC this weekend! These are the "dor rishon" i.e. old dances that we still do at camp.? Aliya

If you are in the New York City area?

? on the Thanksgiving weekend?

? please join us at our? ?

? 20th ANNIVERSARY PARTY?

? Celebrating the Longest Running? [...] 17844 89 33_Amos Oz- Defeating the extremists16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 02:16:10 -08001078_iso-8859-1 Defeating the extremists

PM Olmerts leadership will be tested by his determination to lead a historic change Amos Oz Published: 11.21.07, 10:12 / Israel Opinion



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BY JULIE WIENER Friday, November 23, 2007 12:01 a.m. EST Yesterday, 24 New York City households served turkeys that were not only free-range, organic and raised on a nearby family farm--but also 100% kosher. For that, their guests can give thanks to Simon Feil, a 31-year-old actor who has devoted the past 1 1/2 years to starting Kosher Conscience, a "kosher ethical meat co-op." The co-op, which 90 people have expressed interest in joining when it begins regular poultry and beef deliveries in a few months, will offer [...] 18002 302 62_U.S. Electronic Surveillance Monitored Israeli Attack On Syria8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:47:46 +0200598_windows-1255 U.S. Electronic Surveillance Monitored Israeli Attack On Syria

David A. Fulghum and Robert Wall/AviationWeek.com

The U.S. provided Israel with information about Syrian air defenses before Israel attacked a suspected nuclear site in Syria, Aviation Week & Space Technology is reporting in its Nov. 26 edition.

The U.S. was monitoring the electronic emissions coming from Syria during Israel's Sept. 6 attack, and while there was no active American engagement in the operation, there was advice provided, according to military and aerospace industry officials. [...] 18305 194 45_Habonim mention in the Forward by Leibel Fein0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:22:49 -0500482_utf-8 http://www.forward.com/articles/12070/



Habonim Camp Moshava, which I attended as a camper many years ago, was then located on Maryland’s Severn River. The landmark (or watermark, I suppose) was significant, since the Severn was frequently infested with antisemitic jellyfish. (“Jellyfish” are actually not fish at all, since they are not vertebrates. They have no brain, either, but oh do they have tentacles, which they use to sting and even kill.) [...] 18500 355 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:37:16 -0500551_us-ascii I know several Habonim alums who did join cults, from New Age to Born Again to Ultra Orthodox. Habonim is great but it isn't an inoculation against becoming a meshugenah at a later age. Judy

Batel Libes wrote:

> I, on the other hand, have no problem saying that Habonim is a cult, > as once you've been in Habonim, regardless of your future connection, > it is a part of you that you can't dismiss. I also send my kids to > machane and the movement so they would get the right brainwashing and > not one provided elsewhere [...] 18856 173 40_Re: Fwd: Fw: Google Alert - Habonim Dror11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:13:44 +0000481_- It certainly isn't, but it still offers a grounding for the kids. What we do as adults, well, that's a different story, as many of us are "still crazy after all these years..."

Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Judith Gelman I know several Habonim alums who did join cults, from New Age to Born Again to Ultra Orthodox. Habonim is great but it isn't an inoculation against becoming a meshugenah at a later age. Judy [...] 19030 131 49_Re: Habonim mention in the Forward by Leibel Fein12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:36:45 -0800676_iso-8859-1 Leibel's father was a teacher at Hebrew College--and taught us "nevi'im"-- of course, b"ivrit...I'll never forget classes in which we literally sang through the books of the nevi'im==often incurring the siling "wrath" of Dr. Fein.....He was a great teacher!--Sue --- kbob24@AOL.COM wrote:

> http://www.forward.com/articles/12070/ > > > Habonim Camp Moshava, which I attended as a camper > many years ago, was then located on Maryland’s > Severn River. The landmark (or watermark, I suppose) > was significant, since the Severn was frequently > infested with antisemitic jellyfish. > (“Jellyfish? are actually not fish at all, since > they are not [...] 19162 325 67_Transportation and Other Details for Annapolis Peace Rally Tomorrow0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:34:20 -0500447_us-ascii

Ameinu has helped build a coalition of progressive pro-Israel organizations who have joined forces to mount a Rally for Israeli-Palestinian Peace at Annapolis on Tuesday Nov. 27.

1. Rally location: The peace rally will take place on Tuesday, Nov. 27, 1:00 PM - 3:00 P.M., on the grounds of St. Anne's Church, 199 Duke of Gloucester Street, Annapolis, Maryland (or inside the church in the event of inclement weather). [...] 19488 70 20_Here's to sacrifice!16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:11:00 -0500330_us-ascii JEERS to cutting off our precious bodily fluids. On this date in 1942, coffee rationing began in the United States and lasted until Germany and Japan were defeated. Meanwhile, the length of the war in Iraq has surpassed that of World War II by a year, yet we've been asked to sacrifice nothing. FDR---what a meanie. [...] 19559 978 33_[Fwd: Sephardic Hanukkah Recipes]16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:28:15 -0500609_us-ascii The following cooking feature appeared in today's Morris Daily Record, a Gannett paper published in northern New Jersey. I wonder, why would observant Sephardim eat rabbit?

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Deirdre Hamill / Gannett News Service Chef Aaron May sits at Sol y Sombra in Scottsdale, Ariz., with his dishes rabbit with fig conserva and arrope with cinnamon torrijas. [...] 20538 1018 37_Re: [Fwd: Sephardic Hanukkah Recipes]13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:37:34 -0500785_us-ascii Directions should begin 1) Breed a rabbit with cloved hooves.

Judy

Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> The following cooking feature appeared in today's /*Morris Daily > Record*/, a Gannett paper published in northern New Jersey. I wonder, > why would observant /Sephardim/ eat rabbit? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *Deirdre Hamill / Gannett News Service* > Chef Aaron May sits at Sol y Sombra in Scottsdale, Ariz., with his > dishes rabbit with fig conserva and arrope with cinnamon torrijas. > > > 11/28/07 - Posted from the Daily Record newsroom > *Spicing up Hanukkah* > > [...] 21557 102 71_anyone notice that there was a peace conference in Annapolis yesterday?0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:38:01 -0500528_us-ascii



Hey folks:

I hope we are not so cynical that we can't be a little optimistic about the events in Annapolis yesterday. A few Habonetters were at a rally?organized as part of a coalition?by Ameinu and Habonim Dror. Here is an article from the JTA about the event:

ANNAPOLIS, Md. (JTA) -- The streets of Annapolis were ringing with the sound of Hebrew folk songs as Jewish organizations of many stripes held rallies either in support of or opposition to the Middle East peace conference [...] 21660 157 75_Re: anyone notice that there was a peace conference in Annapolis yesterday?13_moshe sheskin18_moshes80@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:58:10 +0200551_ISO-8859-1 I, for one, was not at Annapolis supporting the conference. It is a little bit too far from my home in Israel and the expense to get there didn't justify my attendance. In fact, you may even call me a right-winger because of my attitude towards this conference and all the other meetings which are useless and only weaken Israel's position. You may call me a right winger if you wish and I'll wear this mantle proudly if it helps you understand my position. I am not against peace. I am against a "hudna" which is an Arabic cease fire [...] 21818 32 18_Miriam Guttman z"l0_19_mogzeal@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:41:41 -0600311_UTF-8 It is my sad duty to inform you that Miriam Guttman, beloved wife of Nahum Guttman, Editor Emeritus of The Jewish Frontier, died this past weekend at the age of 96. She was a lifelong Labor Zionist. Nahum and Miriam met in Habonim and she remained devoted to the movement throughout her entire life. [...] 21851 60 48_Discussion on hopes for peace in the Middle East16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:50:14 -0800578_iso-8859-1 If you have an hour to listen, this might be interesting to listen to.

Wednesday, November 28 Noon-1:00

The peace summit continues in Annapolis, and Marc is joined by Mustafa Barghouthi, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council and former candidate for president of the Palestinian National Authority, Robert Friedman professor of political science at Baltimore Hebrew University,and Dr. Christianna Nichols Leahy Associate Professor of Comparative Politics at McDaniels College, discuss hopes for peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. [...] 21912 1760 48_JTA - Soviet Jewry Activism Transformed US Jewry16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:46:11 -0500481_us-ascii jta logo ------------------------------------------------------------------------



Soviet Jewry activism transformed U.S. Jewry



Sue Fishkoff



Robert Cumins More than 250,000 protesters turned out for a Dec. 6, 1987 demonstration on the National Mall in Washington on behalf of Soviet Jews.

Beyond accomplishing its primary goal to "Let my people go," the Soviet Jewry movement had a lasting impact on American Jewry. [...] 23673 635 37_Re: [Fwd: Sephardic Hanukkah Recipes]19_Samuel D. Bernofsky22_samuelbernof@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:35:06 -0800615_windows-1252 Given modern sciences advances it's only a matter of time before some entrepreneurial person develops a rabbit with cloved hooves... :) You have to ask though, would it really be kosher? Is soy cheese on a burger kosher?! The kosherness of soy cheese burgers was a great debate at Camp Miriam in the late 90s... Sam Directions should begin 1) Breed a rabbit with cloved hooves. Judy Elihu D. Davison wrote: The following cooking feature appeared in today's Morris Daily Record, a Gannett paper published in northern New Jersey. I wonder, why would observant Sephardim eat rabbit? Deirdre Hamill / [...] 24309 963 37_Re: [Fwd: Sephardic Hanukkah Recipes]13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:07:21 -0500451_windows-1252 Any soy cheese that melts actually probably isn't kosher on a burger because it contains casein, a dairy product. I had a dairy allergy kid (fortunately she outgrew it!) but this is unfortunately an issue about with I know far too much. Basically any palatable soy cheese has dairy in it ( or did 10 years ago, the last time I had to eat it.) You have to think treif to conceive of tofu beef stroganoff, but it is still kosher. Judy [...] 25273 316 50_Jewish Chronicle - Israel Forgot Soviet Refuseniks16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:43:19 -0500453_ISO-8859-1



Israel forgot us, say Soviet refuseniks

08 November 2007

By By Anshel Pfeffer Jerusalem

As Israel marks 40 years since the launch of the campaign for Soviet Jewry, former refuseniks have accused the state of abandoning them to a life of poverty.

Now 80, Vladimir Slepak was once known as "the father of the refuseniks" and spent 18 years waiting to emigrate, five of them in exile in Siberia. [...] 25590 619 37_Re: [Fwd: Sephardic Hanukkah Recipes]11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:56:19 +0000592_- These days there are many more choices, including vegan, which would have no dairy in it at all.

Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Judith Gelman Any soy cheese that melts actually probably isn't kosher on a burger because it contains casein, a dairy product. I had a dairy allergy kid (fortunately she outgrew it!) but this is unfortunately an issue about with I know far too much. Basically any palatable soy cheese has dairy in it ( or did 10 years ago, the last time I had to eat it.) You have to think treif to conceive of [...]