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2 46 11_Rantasaurus16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 2 Aug 2007 07:06:51 -0700421_iso-8859-1 http://rantasaurus-rex.com Rantasauras is the address for anyone who suffers from pent-up aggression, accepting submissions of your “funny, sarcastic and bountiful rants.” If you are hot and bothered this summer, this may be the place for you......
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49 78 19_Survivors of Utopia16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 3 Aug 2007 01:15:16 -0700603_iso-8859-1 Survivors of utopia By Ariel Hirschfeld
Post-Zionism has vented its wrath on the kibbutzim. What was once the heart and soul of Zionism in its heroic age, a dense crystal of all the great, powerful, contradictory ideas of the Zionist revolution - the "return to the soil," the turning away from the Diaspora, the creation of "the new Jew," the opposition to the old "bourgeois" world, and so on - became the manifestation of a crime against the individual, against Jewish history. Not only the idea of sharing and disbanding the family, but every idea of changing people that was [...]
128 236 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:11:45 -0700622_iso-8859-1 Roz- again you contribute an interesting and thought-provoking article--THANKS!!--suz
--- Rosalind Barland wrote:
> Survivors of utopia By Ariel > Hirschfeld > > Post-Zionism has vented its wrath on the kibbutzim. > What was once the heart and soul of Zionism in its > heroic age, a dense crystal of all the great, > powerful, contradictory ideas of the Zionist > revolution - the "return to the soil," the turning > away from the Diaspora, the creation of "the new > Jew," the opposition to the old "bourgeois" world, > and so on - became the manifestation of a [...]
365 354 22_The Tragedy of Zionism12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 14:07:04 +0300619_windows-1252 Haverim/ot A number of days ago I posted a message “a man whose statistics I trust tells me that forty percent of first grade pupils in Jerusalem this fall will be ultra-orthodox Jews, twenty two percent will be Arabs and the rest will be like us.” Writing The Tragedy of Zionism – How its Revolutionary Past Haunts Israeli Democracy, in 1985, Bernard Avishai couldn’t assume that it would be reissued 22 years later. The book predated the notoriety of contemporary post Zionism. There are two varieties of post-Zionism; elevated and common. While the first is grounded in ideology and/or philosophy, [...]
720 237 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:58:04 +0300496_us-ascii A belated response to Ariel Hirschfeld balanced piece. On a radio program recalling sixty-some years since the British exiled Holocaust survivors who arrived as illegal immigrants to Cyprus the following was told. The British allowed voulanteers from Eretz Israel to enter the camps. There were tens of teachers, nurses, doctors, social workers hygeinists (some of them were actually military instructors.) I didn't catch the exact number but remember that 80% were from kibbutzim. [...]
958 322 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia13_Moshe Sheskin23_moshe.sheskin@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:15:20 -0400356_ISO-8859-1 Sue, I'd bet dollars to dougnuts that you wouldn't even get a quarter of that number today, if that. With the inroads of privatization, looking after number one is the priority. It's a pity but I suppose we have to face the inevitable. The kibbutz has gone the way of the city and volunteerism as such is almost dead, not quite but almost. [...]
1281 264 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:48 -0700589_iso-8859-1 Moshe- I don't know what you are hearing in Israel- but here in the "galut"- I find out numerous examples of "hitnadvut"- from people in Be'er Sheva and Eilat helping out the Sudanese, to people in Be'er Sheva and Netanya helping out the Ethiopians, to people all over going to Sderot and buying Challot for Shabbat and buying books there during "Shavua HaSefer. What about people who opened their homes during the war last year to people from the north???...Maybe this isn't the hitnadvut in the wake of World War 2--There was a conference in Park City recently of Jewish [...]
1546 363 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia13_Moshe Sheskin23_moshe.sheskin@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:15:00 -0400616_ISO-8859-1 Sue, I'm well aware of the volunteerism in Israel. In an emergency even the kibbutzim got together and used their facilities to help out. However, generally speaking, the kibbutznikim have lost that ideology and it's a pity. I may be speaking subjectively and my kibbutz has done its share during the second Lebanese war but generally, volunteering is just about dead. I guess you're right, I'm disappointed and in a funk but I was against the privatization because I saw things happening which was detrimental to kibbutz life etc. Yes, there are exceptions but......I'm hoping for better days Moshe [...]
1910 54 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:57:34 +0000652_- I believe the notion of volunteering has changed globally, not just in Israel. Sad as it may be.
Batel
-------------- Original message -------------- From: Moshe Sheskin
Sue, I'm well aware of the volunteerism in Israel. In an emergency even the kibbutzim got together and used their facilities to help out. However, generally speaking, the kibbutznikim have lost that ideology and it's a pity. I may be speaking subjectively and my kibbutz has done its share during the second Lebanese war but generally, volunteering is just about dead. I guess you're right, I'm disappointed and in a funk but I [...]
1965 69 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia12_Meir Hurwitz16_meir69@GMAIL.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:56:40 +0400382_ISO-8859-1 I don't have the figures or the data.
I just don't think that there is any LESS voulunteerism today then there ever was. There is an idealization of the past. And we are more aware of what's happening in the world due to "better" news services.
I bet that if someone dug around a little there would be enough volunteerism to satisfy the biggest cynic. [...]
2035 240 23_Re: Survivors of Utopia11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:58:06 -0400412_ISO-8859-1 I find the the amount of volunteerism in Israel is astounding. The NGO sector is booming and much of it is fueled by volunteers. As in the US, much of this growth of NGOs is motivated in part by budget cuts in social services but as these services have been cut, Israelis have stepped into the breach in many communities with time and money. Charitable giving in Israel has grown enormously too. [...]
2276 64 52_Habonim as the bond that unites alumni - new example0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:04:25 -0400617_us-ascii
Hi folks:
There have been postings here in the past about two of our illustrious alumni, Sacha Baron Cohen and Seth Rogen. In an article from Macleans (below) we learn about their personal connection,
Ken -----
In his spare time, he dispenses script advice to Borat's Sacha Baron Cohen -- his new best friend. He and Goldberg wrote for Cohen's Da Ali G Show four years ago. Rogen says they discovered a common bond: both spent their formative years involved with the Zionist socialist youth movement Habonim Dror. "He's the most normal person I've met in all of Los Angeles [...]
2341 210 26_Prof. Hillel Weiss, Hebron12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:33:32 +0300614_windows-1252
Ever since the Six Day War I didn’t like Hillel Weiss of Bar Ilan University because he bad mouthed Siach Lohamim - The Seventh Day, Soldiers Talk About the Six Day War. In that book kibbutzniksspoke about their experiences - most of them pained, at having to kill enemies at close range. So Weiss found that their attitude betrayed the weakness of their attachment to Jewish values. And no wonder. He is a founding member of Lishkat Ha’Gazit, a proto Kahanist outfit Lishkat HaGazit has set up as its goal working to bring about the fulfillment of the three commandments [...]
2552 237 22_Mayim LeDavid HaMelech12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:07:58 +0300384_windows-1252
Lately, on billboards all over town one sees a pleasant enough face of an almost handsome man. In this he resembles Netanyahu whom he’s contesting for leadership of the Likud. His looks belie the scariness of his views. However, the text in media sound bites really begins to make you worry. EDUCATION Bring back a compulsory daily civics and Judaic lesson. [...]
2790 354 26_Re: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech11_Sylvia Lask14_smlbov@AOL.COM31_Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:27:27 -0400570_utf-8 Again, I thank you for your message Amnon. Sylvia
-----Original Message----- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 6:07 am Subject: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech
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Lately, on billboards all over town one sees a pleasant enough face of an almost handsome man. In this he resembles Netanyahu whom  he’s  contesting for leadership of the Likud. His looks belie the scariness of his views. However, the text in media sound bites really begins to  make you worry. [...]
3145 360 26_Re: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:57:22 -0400391_utf-8 What struck me this summer were the incredible number of billboards with Shneerson's picture on them! It felt like the country had been invaded by Chabad. Does anyone else see this as a form of pornography?
-----Original Message----- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 9:07 am Subject: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech [...]
3506 69 26_Re: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 09:29:11 +0300636_us-ascii Avi While he was still alive Shneerson couldn't have children. Now his offspring are springing up all over the place. See the Pesach seder's all over shouth east asia sponsored by Lubavitcher outreach programs. Also
The Ghost-Theory of Herbert Spencer Brief reference may be made to Spencer's well-known theroy which finds the origin of religion in the worship of ancestors appearing in the form of ghosts.[Footnote: See Spencer's Principles of Sociology, Chapters viii to xvii.] The awe inspired by death and the fear created by the dead who had passed beyond the control of the living, constitute the two factors [...]
3576 72 15_Haaretz Anyone?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:06:26 +0300482_windows-1252 I wonder how many people on Habonet plug into Haaretz. I find that “The Marker” on the last page which I read occasionally in the English internet version sounds reliable and informative and is a relief from the usual media spin. It’s the second best thing in the paper, right after Bradley Burston. Some may think that all that space devoted to economics is a drag. But at least economics unlike, say religion, makes an effort to be scientific or based on facts. [...]
3649 202 19_Re: Haaretz Anyone?13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:00:41 -0400561_Windows-1252 I read Haaretz in Hebrew online, the same as I did in print when I was "growing up." The first thing I look at is the 'karikatura yomit" which is something I don't find on the New York Times at all. I usually prefer Eran Wolkowsky to Amos Biderman, and I follow his blog too, having posted comments there sometimes in the past. The comments section of Haaretz in Hebrew is interesting, to see the shifts in public opinion, for example, and what really goes on in people's minds behind the press news. Usually it is pretty poor and depressing. [...]
3852 62 19_Re: Haaretz Anyone?12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:13:55 -0700608_iso-8859-1 Funny- many Americans would say that economics is being run by the media--especially in light of the latest Wall Street bouncings of the past few weeks...How scientific is THAT???- sue
--- amnon hadary wrote:
> I wonder how many people on Habonet plug into > Haaretz. I find that “The Marker” on the last page > which I read occasionally in the English internet > version sounds reliable and informative and is a > relief from the usual media spin. It’s the second > best thing in the paper, right after Bradley > Burston. > Some may think that [...]
3915 236 19_Re: Haaretz Anyone?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:04:45 +0300618_iso-8859-1 Sue All things considered - which is another way of saying relatively - I'll take economics. Not the manipulation of it but the reporting on it. For instance today's Marker reported on how much it costs soldiers in the reserves to serve three months a year. It differentiates between self-employed and wage dependent soldiers. The nitty gritty of life in the Jewish State would've given Brenner material for many a heartsick article. Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liberman Date: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:14 pm Subject: Re: Haaretz Anyone? To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...]
4152 162 19_Re: Haaretz Anyone?12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:38:10 -0700651_iso-8859-1 But Amnon- even the word "costs" has its subtleties... (i.e.- what about -the differentiation between the married, self-employed soldier, and the single, employed soldier)-etc.....and what about the reservist who is paid from abroad, vs. the soldier paid in shekalim...etc etc etc..."cost" is a highly subjective word, even in economic "science"----And by the way, "reporting" is also a form of "manuipulation".....Note CNN and Fox's "reporting" of the last war......Oy- we could go on and on; but I give in to your acceptance of what you believe to be "science"---This morning, on CBS's "Sunday Morning"- which I beleive to be one of [...]
4315 267 23_Dani Livney's olive oil11_David Sokal14_dsokal@MSN.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:38:54 -0700544_iso-8859-1 Hello Everyone,
Back in 2006 I joined Habonet and let everyone know about my work selling Palestinian olive oil from Seattle. Thanks to all of you who helped out, especially Sue for the incredible coverage in the LA Jewish Times. And to Jessie, I did finally meet up with Arik Ascherman here in Seattle and he was great. He's definitely interested in someday helping Palestinians by selling their olive oil. And to all of you who harp on Steve Klein's "conservative" views, he's the only one who has purchased Peace Oil! [...]
4583 140 26_Re: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:42:47 -0400601_us-ascii I think Spencer accurately characterizes what we are witnessing: the creation of a new religion which is related to, but definitely?not Jewish. A form of idol worship.
-----Original Message----- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 2:29 am Subject: Re: Mayim LeDavid HaMelech
Avi
While he was still alive Shneerson couldn't have children. Now his offspring are springing up all over the place.? See the Pesach seder's all over shouth east asia sponsored by Lubavitcher outreach programs. [...]
4724 273 34_[QUAR] Re: Dani Livney's olive oil0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:49:02 -0400679_us-ascii Dani Are you involved w Adam Neiman in Boston who is doing something similar?
-----Original Message----- From: David Sokal To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 6:38 pm Subject: Dani Livney's olive oil
Hello Everyone,
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Back in 2006 I joined Habonet and let everyone know about my work selling Palestinian olive oil from Seattle. Thanks to all of you who helped out, especially Sue for the incredible coverage in the LA Jewish Times. And to Jessie, I did finally meet up with Arik Ascherman?here in Seattle and he was great. He's definitely interested in someday helping Palestinians by [...]
4998 402 38_Re: [QUAR] Re: Dani Livney's olive oil11_David Sokal14_dsokal@MSN.COM31_Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:38:17 -0700333_iso-8859-1 Hi,
I'm the guy that wrote about Dani's olive oil. I'm David Sokal in Seattle. I import Dani's oil and sell it. Can you tell me how to contact Adam Neiman? I'd like to know more about what he is doing. I don't know Adam and while it is possible Dani does, I don't think Dani is selling any of his oil to Adam. [...]
5401 119 20_new websie on Israel16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:38:30 -0700364_iso-8859-1 This past Thursday , illuminea, launched a new media site dedicated to reporting on innovations in Israel. The site is called israelplug, and you can see it here: http://israelplug.com . The goal of israelplug is to provide quality content that is updated daily on innovative, unique and original ideas/people/events that are emerging from Israel. [...]
5521 112 19_Re: Haaretz Anyone?0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:06:21 -0400677_us-ascii
Funny- many Americans would say that economics is being run by the media--especially in light of the latest Wall Street bouncings of the past few weeks...How scientific is THAT???- sue
Sue
I don't think there is any reasonable person who says that the volitity on Wall Street now is being driven by the media. This is a liquidity crisis being caused by the collapse of the high risk mortage market or the sub prime lending. These mortages were then bundled and sold as securities all over the world. Then when the housing bubble popped in the US people who had [...]
5634 47 20_The European library16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:52:22 -0700963_iso-8859-1
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5682 47 15_info on someone16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:19:21 -0700564_iso-8859-1 Hi, I was just wondering about someone I met who used to belong to Habonim in Chicago. Does anyone remember Lynn Donath? Rozzie
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5730 71 19_Re: info on someone12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:18:04 +0300694_us-ascii
----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalind Barland Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:19 am Subject: info on someone To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG
> Hi, > I was just wondering about someone I met who used to belong to > Habonim in Chicago. > Does anyone remember Lynn Donath? > Rozzie > > NOPE, Amnon > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > Yahoo! TV. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online [...]
5802 84 19_Re: info on someone16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:35:33 -0700700_iso-8859-1 Okay. She lives at Sasa now under the name Lynn Saferstein. She was at Tavor in 1970....
amnon hadary wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalind Barland Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 8:19 am Subject: info on someone To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG
> Hi, > I was just wondering about someone I met who used to belong to > Habonim in Chicago. > Does anyone remember Lynn Donath? > Rozzie > > NOPE, Amnon > --------------------------------- > Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on > Yahoo! TV. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The [...]
5887 111 34_NYT review - a theory of affluence11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:06:57 -0400540_UTF-8 Long but interesting article about the origins of some economic/social behaviors.
Noam
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/science/07indu.html?ex=1187323200&en=a700be10040f0414&ei=5070
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August 7, 2007 In Dusty Archives, a Theory of Affluence By NICHOLAS WADE
For thousands of years, most people on earth lived in abject poverty, first as hunters and gatherers, then as peasants or laborers. But with the Industrial Revolution, some societies traded this ancient poverty for amazing affluence. [...]
5999 65 45_more from Mearsheimer and Walt. JJ chimes in.11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:01:46 -0400693_UTF-8 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/16/books/16book.html
August 16, 2007 Backlash Over Book on Policy for Israel By PATRICIA COHEN
“The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy” is not even in bookstores, but already anxieties have surfaced about the backlash it is stirring, with several institutions backing away from holding events with the authors.
John J. Mearsheimer, a political scientist at the University of Chicago, and Stephen M. Walt, a professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, were not totally surprised by the reaction to their work. An article last spring in the London Review of Books outlining their argument — [...]
6065 70 19_Two Steps in One Go11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 16 Aug 2007 17:39:05 -0400748_us-ascii Any takers?
Noam
http://select.nytimes.com/iht/2007/08/15/opinion/IHT-15edcohen.1.html +++
August 15, 2007 Op-Ed Columnist Two Steps in One Go By ROGER COHEN International Herald Tribune
NEW YORK
A brief document called "Two Steps in One Go" that attempts to fast-forward Palestinian statehood has landed on the desks that matter in the Middle East and is arousing considerable interest.
Written by Terje Roed-Larsen, a senior United Nations official immersed in the region for decades, the proposal envisages the creation of a Palestinian state with provisional borders followed by state-to-state negotiations on final-status issues using principles agreed before Palestine's establishment. [...]
6136 205 23_Re: Two Steps in One Go12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:18 -0700625_iso-8859-1 I certainly am no politically-knowledgeable person, so my question is this: How realistic is even thsi attempt? WIth Hamas buying up land in Southern Lebanon, re-arming itself under the noses of the UN forces and the Lebanese army, Syria-backed re-inforcements, Iran, and everything else which seems so far-gone..I wonder if even the top international leaddes including the "Big Four" can force an agreement now. I just don't know, but I suppose any attempt is better than nothing at all. I am not sure what "just settlement for Plaestinian refugees " means? Is it money? is it "resettling"???- Some of these [...]
6342 19 23_Camp Miriam makes JPost11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:24:34 -0400530_ISO-8859-1 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1186557469379&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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6362 90 27_Re: Camp Miriam makes JPost11_Sylvia Lask14_smlbov@AOL.COM31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:00:03 -0400891_us-ascii Thank you for sharing the article on CAMP MIRIAM.? I NEVER WENT THERE BUT KNOW MANY WHO DID AND SPOKE WITH FOND MEMORIES AS WE DID FROM KINNERET.? SYLVIA
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6453 40 27_Re: Camp Miriam makes JPost12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:11:34 +0300783_us-ascii A reminder of a magical period on Shlichut in the late 'fifties Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Gelman Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:24 am Subject: Camp Miriam makes JPost To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG
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6494 78 27_Re: Camp Miriam makes JPost12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:43:11 -0700776_iso-8859-1 Thanks Judy- interesting article- and "Uh-Oh"!! Amnon's getting nostalgic!! :)........suz
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> A reminder of a magical period on Shlichut in the > late 'fifties > Amnon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy Gelman > Date: Friday, August 17, 2007 5:24 am > Subject: Camp Miriam makes JPost > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > > > http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1186557469379&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > [...]
6573 56 12_Re: big bang11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:47:32 -0400473_us-ascii Okay, I've been back from my vacation for 2 weeks (the same amount of time that I was there) and I'm finally getting around to answering these emails.
Agreed-- there is even a line in the latest "Harry Potter" book about something like that... Hermione says that just because something can't be proven to NOT exist doesn't mean that there's any reason to believe that it does... I am waiting for the Christian Right to start protesting on that one. :) [...]
6630 244 12_Re: big bang11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:48:07 -0400330_us-ascii Anybody who thinks that evolution is about "evolving from monkeys" needs to go through a crash course in evolution before being allowed to participate in such a discussion. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on evolution, but natural selection HAS been proven. it's not a matter that it hasn't been disproven. [...]
6875 766 12_Re: big bang11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:57:51 -0400577_us-ascii The difference is that in terms of physics, and any kind of science, is that if a scientist has a theory, and that theory is accepted, but then something has been done to disprove it, scientists are EXPECTED to say "Okay, I was wrong." Scientists accept that they don't have all the answers, and that they discover new things and new answers everyday. Many religious people believe they have all the answers and that nothing anybody says can make them think otherwise. And it's funny what you should say about Hawking. I used to joke that Stephen Hawking was God [...]
7642 388 12_Re: big bang11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:02:17 -0400573_us-ascii Richard Dawkins said something similar. that why is the world only beautiful if some divine being was involved? He said he finds the world beautiful because of the series of unintentional things that happened over the years to lead us to where we are now. I find that a lot more interesting than God saying "hmm I think I'll create some humans today." :-) Isn't it more interesting to see something that makes us think outside the box, instead of something that's just a higher order consciousness doing what humans do (creating) but on a supernatural level? [...]
8031 1529 12_Re: big bang11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:18:41 -0400671_us-ascii Well said, well said.
There is a region of the brain called the hippocampus which is responsible for things like memory, spatial reasoning, navigation, and systemized thinking (math, etc). There have been studies that have shown that autistic people tend to have more activity in the hippocampus, and sometimes enlarged hippocampuses (which could be why more autistic people are boys; boys generally have larger hippocampuses than girls). Einstein was autistic and apparently did have an abnormally large hippocampus. That isn't about a soul; that is about a region of the brain that is specialized for certain tasks being larger and [...]
9561 290 24_Re: big bang--to Judy...11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:24:42 -0400318_us-ascii You are calling it a soul because it is an appealing idea, one that gives you comfort. Going back to what Judy Gelman said about the idea of a dead person being in heaven comforting those who miss him... that's what it is, an idea to give you peace of mind. We have no evidence that an afterlife exists. [...]
9852 255 24_Re: big bang--to Judy...11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:00:54 -0400661_us-ascii I'm not denying that there are amazing things around us, but why do we need "soul" to explain them? There's no rationale behind that.
-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman [mailto:fiddlebach@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 11:58 PM To: jesris@optonline.net Subject: Re: big bang--to Judy...
Julie--somehow I think you do not "get it"--I am not using the word "soul" becuase it is comforting- but using it to explain that un-namable creative intensity in human b eings which make us different somehow. We create, we think, we inspire...you can't deny that. If you do, then how doyou explain everything that is around [...]
10108 318 24_Re: big bang--to Judy...11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:12:27 -0400568_us-ascii Let's keep these threads public, in order to continue the conversation, ok?
It's not unexplainable; there are some explanations thus far, but not everything about them has been explained yet. YET is the key word.
As for my videos... here is a perfect example of how I think science can explain in part why I've made them. Let's start out with a little background... I went to Galil from 1995-1998 (MBI 1997). It has been 9 years since my last year at Galil, and last spring was when I started making the videos. Why in the world would I, 8 [...]
10427 51 27_Re: Camp Miriam makes JPost12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:29:20 +0300357_windows-1252 Judy, Wonderful publicity for Camp Miriam in an unfortunately overlong poorly edited J Post article. But hey it’s not my paper anyhow.
Still, to find “tachatim” twice in under twenty lines on the opening page makes one wonder about the orientation of the person wielding the microphone or of the reporter or the Rosh or all of them [...]
10479 95 27_Re: Camp Miriam makes JPost12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 18 Aug 2007 13:04:11 -0700608_iso-8859-1 Not to mention the grammatical mistakes--"kol hamchaneh and "tachatim"- this mistake would never have happened in Mosh!!!.....s
--- amnon hadary wrote:
> Judy, > Wonderful publicity for Camp Miriam in an > unfortunately overlong poorly edited J Post > article. But hey it’s not my paper anyhow. > > Still, to find “tachatim” twice in under twenty > lines on the opening page makes one wonder about > the orientation of the person wielding the > microphone or of the reporter or the Rosh or all of > them > > > >"You guys are going to dance your [...]
10575 1762 25_NYT - The Politics of God16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:11:37 -0400760_ISO-8859-1 The New York Times
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The Politics of God
By MARK LILLA
I. "The Will of God Will Prevail"
The twilight of the idols has been postponed. For more than two centuries, from the American and French Revolutions to the collapse of Soviet Communism, world politics revolved around eminently political problems. War and revolution, class and social justice, race and national identity -- these were the questions that divided us. Today, we have progressed to the point where our problems again resemble those of the 16th century, as we find ourselves entangled in conflicts over competing [...]
12338 206 29_Re: NYT - The Politics of God11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sun, 19 Aug 2007 21:39:33 -0400737_iso-8859-1 Still reading, but just had this visceral response ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: NYT - The Politics of God
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August 19, 2007 The Politics of God By MARK LILLA ...
In the Wars of Religion that followed, doctrinal differences fueled political ambitions and vice versa, in a deadly, vicious cycle that lasted a century and a half. Christians addled by apocalyptic dreams hunted and killed Christians with a maniacal fury they had once reserved for Muslims, Jews and heretics. It was madness. [...]
12545 1231 18_Znet - Why Israel?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:18:15 -0400670_us-ascii
ZNet | Israel/Palestine
Why Israel?
by Jason Kunin; August 19, 2007
In January 2007, a group of us who are active in District 12 of the Ontario Secondary School Teachers Federation (OSSTF) tried to pass a motion supporting the international campaign of boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) against Israel. Since I was the mover of the motion, many people afterwards became angry with me. Others were merely confused. Everyone, however, wanted to know the same thing: Why Israel? After all, they would correctly point out, there are so many terrible countries, so many other human rights abuses in the world [...]
13777 263 12_Re: big bang28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter20_habesor@SMILE.NET.IL31_Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:32:53 +0200471_windows-1250 Sam,
There is nothing wrong or unscientific about being sceptical of Einstein's theories. There were times when Einstein was sceptical about his own theories. I do not claim to be an expert on Einstein nor on theories of cosmology. But their are experts on both who remain sceptical. Scientific progress thrives on such scepticism. In a recent article on problems with current cosmological theory the writer concluded with the following comment: [...]
14041 195 12_Re: big bang0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:10:44 EDT363_US-ASCII
Sam,
There is nothing wrong or unscientific about being sceptical of Einstein's theories. There were times when Einstein was sceptical about his own theories. I do not claim to be an expert on Einstein nor on theories of cosmology. But their are experts on both who remain sceptical. Scientific progress thrives on such scepticism.== [...]
14237 500 31_Jury is still out - So is Jewry12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:28:39 +0300647_utf-8 Benjamin Tammuz, a Russian-born Israeli author, sculptor and advocate of Jewish-Arab coexistence, died in 1989 when he was 70 years old. Tammuz's written work - dozens of books, short stories poetry and satirical newspaper columns - included humorous and introspective portrayals of Israel's pioneer generation. He was also among the leaders of the Canaanite Movement, which sought to build a new Hebrew nation, Hebraic culture as opposed to a Jewish one, to circumvent conflict with the Arabs. Although the movement never gained support in Israel it is now mostly credited for its important role in transforming biblical Hebrew into a [...]
14738 68 18_interesting.......0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:39:12 EDT716_US-ASCII Especially for Chicagoland folks.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEDr8Hl6-Q_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZEDr8Hl6-Q)
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14807 1304 29_Re: sending unexplained links0_15_ronoren@AOL.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:24:58 -0400652_us-ascii
Subject: interesting.......
Hello All, I don't know about anyone else, but looking at Habonet for me is but a few moments of stolen time. I would surely appreciate a little explanation when a link is sent, so I know whether to bother or not. Thanks, Ron Orenstein
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16112 1768 29_Re: sending unexplained links12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:16:24 +0300349_us-ascii RON, Rachmones! Computers and I are not well acquainted as a matter of fact you could say I am challenged. I didn't understand what "unexplained links" meant. After your short message there was a tediously long (for me) detailing: "There are 2 messages totalling 569 lines in this issue." now that I would consider "stolen time" Amnon [...]
17881 25 6_CNN...12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:32:43 -0700750_iso-8859-1 Anyone watch it????. (Amanpour's "Jewish Warriors")...reactions????...sue
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17907 69 26_Re: CNN... # 2- "Outraged"12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:06:49 -0700571_iso-8859-1 I am a little "shocked" that there is no reply and people aren't outraged at the deceptive piece of work which was aired last night on CNN ...What the heck is going on here- WHy aren't people also outraged at what is going on in Lebanon (Hezbelloh's arsenals)..., on the fact that the soldiers are still in captivity--and this was part fo the cease-fire--What is going on!!!!????? Where is the voice of our people???? I know there are things going on "behind the scenes"....I feel so sorry for my kids, and my grandkid, and the world--I know anger is not [...]
17977 108 26_Re: CNN... # 2- "Outraged"11_Paul Caplan25_Paul.Caplan@CYGNUSB2B.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:11:23 -0500668_us-ascii CNN...Christine Amanpour...did anyone expect anything different here. CA has been a pr shill for the Arab cause forever.
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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sue Liberman Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:07 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: CNN... # 2- "Outraged" [...]
18086 114 10_Re: CNN...0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:35:11 -0400464_us-ascii
Hi Sue,
I watched.? It wasn't all pretty, but I didn't see falsehoods.? It presented a picture of the Israeli radicals.? There are 2 more shows, one on Muslim radicals and one on Christians.? I think I'll wait until the series is completed before I make a judgment.
Dennis
-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 3:32 am Subject: CNN... [...]
18201 100 10_Re: CNN...12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:38:09 -0700628_iso-8859-1 I thought it was deceitful....This small band of Israerlis was advertised as "Jewish Warriors"----DOn't you find that deceitful????..sue
--- dlerner569@AOL.COM wrote:
> > Hi Sue, > > I watched.? It wasn't all pretty, but I didn't see > falsehoods.? It presented a picture of the Israeli > radicals.? There are 2 more shows, one on Muslim > radicals and one on Christians.? I think I'll wait > until the series is completed before I make a > judgment. > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Liberman > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 [...]
18302 78 10_Re: CNN...13_Moshe Sheskin23_moshe.sheskin@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:28:54 -0400831_ISO-8859-1 I watched it and I found it to be amateurish and Amanpour was hard put to make her point re Jdwish Warriors. I believe that she is prejudiced and I'm waiting for the next program which will probably prove me right.\
Moshe Hulda
On 8/22/07, Sue Liberman wrote: > > Anyone watch it????. (Amanpour's "Jewish Warriors")...reactions????...sue > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of [...]
18381 45 10_Re: CNN...8_cpristoo17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:56:30 -0400588_ISO-8859-1 >===== Original Message From Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh I did and thought it was bigoted, slanted as if she started with a conclusion and then went about selectively presenting to prove it. We'll see how she presents the other 2 religions. Pushing the theme that the total cause of lack of peace was the presence of settlements and not that the avowed aim of Hamas is destruction of Israel was grossly misleading. Letting Jimmy Carter sit there with that smile on his face and holding his inflammatory book should have been countered with the fact that he is on [...]
18427 170 38_Re: CNN...AN "Op Ed" piece I submitted12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:53:13 -0700675_iso-8859-1 Desperately Seeking Sanity
Having recently returned from a trip to Israel, I was anticipating Christiane Amanpour’s report on “God’s Warriors” from a purely selfish perspective. Sitting on my hotel balcony, and looking out over the cities of Jerusalem, and Tel Aviv, I had been amazed at the fact that in just abut 60 years, here was a country—a democratic country—experiencing the hustle and bustle of modern life: an ethnic mix of people—Arabs, Jews, Israelis, Ethiopians, Russians… shopping, driving around, working, sitting in cafes and talking and arguing….existing….while at the same time they were part of a population contributing amazingly to [...]
18598 228 18_FORBIDDEN FOR JEWS12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:53:09 +0300350_windows-1252
The practice of Tashlich is not discussed in the Bible, but it is a long-standing custom. The word "Tashlich" means "You will cast away." In this context, it refers to a custom dating from at least as early as the fourteenth century, but probably much earlier, based on the last verses of the Book of Michah (Micah) 7:18-20 [...]
18827 53 10_great song13_Steve Hancoff12_SHX2@AOL.COM29_Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:59:19 EDT664_US-ASCII Couldn't resist...from "Jihad - The Musical"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDDb5VYwbY
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18881 458 38_Re: CNN...AN "Op Ed" piece I submitted0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:44:20 -0400572_utf-8 I have a soft spot in my heart for you, Sue. You make many wise contributions to our ongoing conversation. You are right-on as to the specifics of the CNN presentation. But, (there is always a but) CNN is engaged in the "pox on all of your houses" equating of positions that we see all the time in the media and from politicians. If and to the extent the set of programs says in the three different contexts: killing people is bad, financially and emotionally supporting people who kill people is bad, killing people only makes matters worse, thinking that [...]
19340 535 15_Re: CNN...News?0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:05:23 -0400292_utf-8 CNN operates on the same principle as most other news media - if it bleeds, it leads. A corollary to that principle is, if its not bleeding, make it sound as if it is. Strife and conflict sell (or increase readership). If a "news" item is boring, its not news, and gets buried. [...]
19876 247 15_Re: CNN...News?12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:01:58 -0700567_iso-8859-1 Thannks to Dennis and AVi--Dennis- I guess I am just exasperated at the way the media has protrayed, and continues to portray Israel as the "aggressor", bombs and all, and doesn't really balance what they say with some truth about the other aspects of what is going on in the Middle East. There are a lot of small, teeny-tiny projects where Arabs and Israeli-Jews and Palestinian kids are working together- from soccer teams, to chess clubs, to computer classes, to drama groups- which help bridge the gaps...No one report s oon the good stuff!!!.... [...]
20124 138 36_Ameinu mission to Israel in December0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:05:05 -0400379_utf-8
Hi Folks:
if you have been thinking about a trip to Israel to "recharge your batteries" and get caught up with the social movement activists there, take a look at the program below.
Ken
Israel at 60: Contemporary Challenges to Pioneering Visions
Ameinu Mission to Israel Ten days: Dec 23, 2007-Jan 1, 2008 $2699/double occupancy* [...]
20263 395 54_NYT - The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:37:32 -0400511_iso-8859-1
Here's a positive take on privitization. Does it jive with the experience of those of you in the trenches?
Noam
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/27/world/middleeast/27kibbutz.html
August 27, 2007
Kibbutz Yasur Journal The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity By ISABEL KERSHNER KIBBUTZ YASUR, Israel - For much of Israel's existence, the kibbutz embodied its highest ideals: collective labor, love of the land and a no-frills egalitarianism. [...]
20659 518 58_Re: NYT - The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:09:07 +0300486_us-ascii Well, for one thing, we aren't sharing spouses any more since we got TVs.
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:38 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: NYT - The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity
Here's a positive take on privitization. Does it jive with the experience of those of you in the trenches? [...]
21178 194 58_Re: NYT - The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity12_Meir Hurwitz16_meir69@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:02:56 +0400635_WINDOWS-1252 The kibbutz has NOT shed Socialism It is shedding certain aspects of Socialism but not the essence. Socialism is economic democracy. The kibbutz STILL maintains the framework of deciding on it's own economic setup democratically. We have learned something over the years. More and more we have learned that edicts from the top down (including State Socialism and forced co-operation) do NOT work. It's still the same story as allowing members private teapots which then was also called "shedding Socialism" I suppose that the general public is NOT versed well enough to see the difference between the essence and the [...]
21373 31 58_Re: NYT - The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity12_Meir Hurwitz16_meir69@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:04:25 +0400563_ISO-8859-1 Jon - you're forgetting the internet.
Sharing spouses has become much more prevalent.
Meir
On 8/27/07, Jonathan Baum wrote: > > Well, for one thing, we aren't sharing spouses any more since we got TVs. > > Jon
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21405 39 45_moshe.sheskin wants to talk to you on Yoomba!13_moshe.sheskin23_moshe.sheskin@GMAIL.COM31_Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:52:31 -0500
21445 247 33_Normalization and its Discontents12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:48:45 +0300622_windows-1252 Noam, you posted Isabel Kershner’s article, The Kibbutz Sheds Socialism and Gains Popularity and noted “here’s a positive take on privitization. Does it jive with the experience of those of you in the trenches?” Reading it, I thought: stay out of it Hadary, you’ve been out of the trenches for almost forty years now. Still, whether that has deprived me of daily contact with the reality more than it affords me perspective is a moot point. This is a case of separating "the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings from emotions recollected in tranquility." (Wordsworth ) Not just emotions, facts too. [...]
21693 47 30_Yoomba missed Call from leodie6_leodie18_leodie@ISDN.NET.IL31_Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:35:23 -0500
21741 205 41_For Habo Dancers in NYC Labor Day Weekend19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:49:20 -0400
21947 87 11_WSJ article13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:24:35 +0300559_us-ascii Hi there,
Could someone on the Habonet who's a Wall Street Journal subscriber send me a copy of this article? Ken, maybe?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118851653899414042.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yaho o
Thanks very much,
Jon
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22035 117 15_Re: WSJ article0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:52:40 -0400706_us-ascii Hey Jon:
I sent it to your email address directly.
Shabbat Shalom,
Ken
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 4:24 am Subject: WSJ article
Hi there,
Could someone on the Habonet who's a Wall Street Journal subscriber send me a copy of this article? Ken, maybe?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118851653899414042.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
Thanks very much,
Jon
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22153 184 45_Re: For Habo Dancers in NYC Labor Day Weekend12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:44:56 -0700406_iso-8859-1 Aliyah- take somep ics and do an article- or some video and we'll put it in the paper or on TV!..sue
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22338 111 37_Re: Normalization and its Discontents0_17_dsb1@NYCAP.RR.COM31_Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:57:26 -0400567_windows-1252 One point I found interesting in this article is that the NY Times has a self serving and selective view of the world where capitalism/individualism is good and triumphs over socialism.
When I look at the on-line pictures the kibbutz look similar to 30 years ago even if many aspects of life are privatized. Israeli life looks more communal here than life in the U.S. Having experienced a bit of kibbutz life on workshop I found the communal aspects to be overbearing. This new hybred kibbutz looks alot more attractive than the old version. [...]