1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet June 2007 2 594 44_More MRAPs: 1,200 MaxxPro MPVs from Navistar13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:54:15 +0300821_us-ascii

More MRAPs: 1,200 MaxxPro MPVs from Navistar

Posted 01-Jun-2007 12:29 MRAP_International_MPV_Cat-1_Concept.jpg Navistar MPV (click to view full)

Navistar subsidiary International Military and Government LLC (IMG) in, Warrenville, IL won a $623.1 million indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for 1,200 additional Category I (CAT I) Mine Resistance Ambush Protected (MRAP) Low Rate Initial Production vehicles. As previous DID MRAP articles have noted, CAT I MRUV vehicles are patrol vehicles that can carry 6 passengers including the driver and front seat, as opposed to the larger CAT 2 JERRV 'squad' vehicles. The MRUV role is similar to a Hummer's, albeit with [...] 597 384 61_Fw: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Thu, 31 May 2007 23:06:56 -0700438_utf-8 ACT NOW TO RESCIND BRITISH ACADEMIC BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL I know that a few of you don't think petitions help, but NOT acting also sends a message- one that no one cares.

Please sign and forward.

Steve



Subject: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel







May 31, 2007 URGENT ACTION: DEMAND IMMEDIATE REFERENDUM TO RESCIND BRITISH ACADEMIC BOYCOTT OF ISRAEL [...] 982 46 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 30 May 2007 to 31 May 2007 (#2007-145)15_Eilat Schwartzs23_arava_eilat@HOTMAIL.COM30_Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:21:47 +0300636_windows-1255 Yuval





Why in heavens name would a rational person support Amir Peretz? Peretz refused to build the Histadrut. He merely gave orders to his existing troops in the few organized sectors of the Israeli economy. He didn’t organize any new areas, signed sweet heart agreements with the lowest paying sectors such as the hotel industry, practiced taxation with no representation, (no elected workers committees in hotels and crushing any upcoming competition). He practiced tiered agreements, screwing new workers and allowing hiring through “manpower” companies while protecting a few older workers. [...] 1029 72 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 30 May 2007 to 31 May 2007 (#2007-145)13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Fri, 1 Jun 2007 04:39:43 -0700574_iso-8859-1 Ethan,

The Histadrut is a very large, cumbersome, complicated animal. It is almost a state within a state. Many have tried and failed to reform it. You can't hold one person responsible for the failures of the system, in the same manner you can't hold a PM responsible for the overall problems of the state (like poverty for example). You judge his policies. If Labor needs Barak back in leadership there is a very serious crisis of leadership. He is a bad politician, a bad leader, a stubborn person who is not wise and does not accept advice. He is [...] 1102 1379 52_Dissent - Martha Nussbaum: Against Academic Boycotts16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:25:09 -0400524_ISO-8859-1



Dissent Magazine



Dear Friends and Readers,

Yesterday, Britain's 120,000-strong University and College Union voted to endorse a motion to boycott Israeli universities, calling on British academics to condemn "the complicity of Israeli academics in the occupation." In the next couple weeks, local branches will make a final decision on the boycott. Unison, Britain's largest union, will also debate a similar motion at its upcoming meeting. [...] 2482 2565 56_Re: Dissent - Martha Nussbaum: Against Academic Boycotts12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:15:27 +0300728_iso-8859-1 Also read Bradly Burston's Boycotting Israel as moral masturbation

By Bradley Burston

in Friday's Ha'aretz.

Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 10:27 pm Subject: Dissent - Martha Nussbaum: Against Academic Boycotts To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> > > Dissent Magazine > > > Dear Friends and Readers, > > Yesterday, Britain's 120,000-strong University and College Union > voted > to endorse a motion to boycott Israeli universities, calling on > British > academics to condemn "the complicity of Israeli academics in the > occupation." In the next couple weeks, local branches will [...] 5048 28 61_Re: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sat, 2 Jun 2007 09:43:38 -0400675_ISO-8859-1 Steve Klein forwarded an e-blurb from the Simon Wiesenthal Center seeking signatures for an ostensible online petition protesting the British professors' unon's boycott of Israel. I don't question the sentiment of wanting to help, and if signing the petition would help that would be wonderful. Actually, the only reason the Wiesenthal Center and other such organizations circulate these vehicles is to mine for email addresses to which they can later send solicitations. The Wiesenthal Center has earned a reputation in the direct marketting world for its aggressive--some might say eggregious--play of the bread game ($$$). Indeed, note the solicitation at [...] 5077 304 45_Israel=?windows-1255?Q?=92s?= mismanaged army13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Sat, 2 Jun 2007 17:39:15 +0300668_windows-1255 Israel’s mismanaged army The Brodet committee finds the IDF in a multi-dimensional crisis. Avi Temkin 31 May 07 15:02

The spirit of the Brodet committee on the defense budget can be summarized by paraphrasing Israeli poet Natan Alterman, “My army is an organization but… it is also Made in Israel.”

Here are some of the flaws that the Brodet committee has found: a lack of long-term planning; faulty planning; improper and ineffective use of existing resources; exorbitant demands made on the government; a lack of supervision and control; manipulation of information within the organization and with external entities; incorrect force [...] 5382 71 61_Re: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 2 Jun 2007 21:55:15 -0700422_iso-8859-1 Let me see if I can parse this correctly:

1) "Steve Klein forwarded. . ." Intrinsically suspect.

2) "E-blurb" Inconsequential. Unimportant.

3) "Ostensible" Probably a fake or a fraud.

4) "If signing would help, that." Probably a worthless endeavor

5) "Actually, the only reason" I have inside information that this is true, otherwise why would I slander with certainty?. [...] 5454 67 61_Re: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Sun, 3 Jun 2007 01:29:04 -0400296_ISO-8859-1 Dear Steve,

The Simon Weisenthal Center is an institution that has done much over the years to earn the complete lack of respect many of us have for it. I believe Elihu was trying to convey that anything that comes from this institution is suspect to him. It is to me too. [...] 5522 100 45_Fw: Jerusalem of Gold music clip by Ofra Haza11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:55:49 -0700577_iso-8859-1





Hi, Take a look at this video - Ofra Haza singing Jerusalem of Gold. The link is http://www.JerusalemOnline.com/specials8.asp

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Klein" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:55 AM Subject: Re: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel



> Let me see if I can parse this correctly: > > 1) "Steve Klein forwarded. . ." Intrinsically suspect. > > 2) "E-blurb" Inconsequential. > Unimportant. > > 3) "Ostensible" Probably a fake or a fraud. > > 4) "If signing would help, that." Probably a worthless endeavor > > 5) "Actually, the only reason" I have inside information that this > is true, otherwise why [...] 5677 215 61_Re: Act NOW to Rescind the British Academic Boycott of Israel0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM30_Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:11:49 -0400426_utf-8

The SWC has a habit of shooting with its mouth first, and then getting details later. Anyone interested in knowing what is going on with the UCU, UNISON, the TUC etc can easily pick up the phone and call the JLC. We're more than happy to fill folks in. Sending a petition - especially from non-academics - is a worthless excercise. The fight will now focus on the branches (or what we would call "locals"). [...] 5893 383 22_Globes - new job hires16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:35:50 -0400420_ISO-8859-1 Everyone's entitled to a job, but one wonders if these two appointments aren't a little bit conflict of interest? Here we see the former army chief of staff (and top air force officer) as CEO of a company selling airborne broadband connectivity devices and a former health minister running a venture capital firm investing in medical devices. Ain't life grand? Nothing like doing well by doing good. :-[ [...] 6277 344 69_Fully-funished Haifa Apartment to rent - great for visiting academic!15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM30_Sun, 3 Jun 2007 17:29:49 -0400431_US-ASCII Chevre, Shabbat Shalom

These folks are friends.

Abby's friends, Laura and Adi, are amazing and Ahuva, their 6 month old, is beyond description (certifiable as recently as Ezra's wedding last week in Jerusalem).

Please feel free to forward directly to them any possible interested parties you may know .

Haifa Apartment Photos .................. http:// www.ahuva.phanfare.com/album/239063 [...] 6622 122 66_Fw: [House-of-humor] Fw: http://www.wehategringos.com/index2.shtml11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 4 Jun 2007 10:12:24 -0700809_iso-8859-1

Not Jewish- and maybe not even momentous. Good to be aware of anyway.

Steve









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Steve



> > Israeli printing technology could deliver 1,000 pages a minute > > To view it, click on: > > http://www.israel21c.org/link.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l1673&enZone=Technology > > > > This service is provided by ISRAEL21c (http://www.israel21c.org), a unique > source of news, views, and information about Israel "beyond the conflict." > > ISRAEL21c adheres to a strict privacy policy and will not make any > supplied information available to third parties. > > [...] 6786 256 54_Fw: Dershowitz)vows to sue lecturers boycotting Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:07:39 -0700528_iso-8859-1

Is this good for the Jews or bad for the Jews?

Steve



Subject: Fw: Dershowitz)vows to sue lecturers boycotting Israel













============I dream every night that Israeli Foreign Minister Livni is waving a piece of paper, and announcing peace in our time. The YEAR is 2007 and not 1938.

===================== ============================ Harvard legal expert (Alan Dershowitz)vows to sue lecturers boycotting Israel By Jon Boone [...] 7043 362 63_Fw: Ft. Lauderdale condo bans religious symbol on doorposts.htm11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:09:24 -0700620_iso-8859-1

Interesting conundrum. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Steve











Fort Lauderdale condo bans religious symbol on doorposts









By Joe Kollin South Florida Sun-Sentinel

FORT LAUDERDALE · Laurie Richter says Jewish law requires her to attach a mezuzah to her doorpost.

But the board that runs The Port condominium, in the 1800 block of Southeast 17th Street, says displaying the 5-inch-long case with a religious message inside violates the condo documents and has ordered it removed. [...] 7406 82 67_Re: Fw: Ft. Lauderdale condo bans religious symbol on doorposts.htm11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:50:32 -0400610_ISO-8859-1 This article is from Feb 3. The story was widely covered--Forward, CNN, FOXNews, etc. The issue has been resolved. http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Mise_00/5019_00.htm

Judy



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Noam

+++

June 5, 2007 Op-Ed Contributor What if Israel Had Turned Back? By TOM SEGEV Jerusalem

FORTY years ago today, on the morning of June 5, 1967, Jordan launched an artillery attack on the Israeli part of Jerusalem. In reaction Israel conquered the Arab sections of the city as well as the West Bank. [...] 7551 102 24_Re: Tom Segev in NYTimes0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:36:17 -0400561_us-ascii Noam

Thanks for posting this. This is very informative. There is also an interesting article in today's Times about the new light rail system in Jerusalem. Very interesting.

Sam

-----Original Message----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:18 pm Subject: Tom Segev in NYTimes





Should Israel have taken the West Bank and East Jerusalem? Should the cabinet have at least considered possible ramifications before moving forward? Did Israel "blow it"? [...] 7654 846 41_The Guardian - Jacqueline Rose on Judaism16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:31:37 -0400662_ISO-8859-1 http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,,2094029,00.html

Guardian Unlimited



A land driven by contradictions





In the fiercely argued The Last Resistance, Jacqueline Rose analyses what it means to be Jewish today

Peter Preston Sunday June 3, 2007 The Observer

The Last Resistance by Jacqueline Rose Buy The Last Resistance at the Guardian bookshop



The Last Resistance by Jacqueline Rose Verso £16.99, pp256 [...] 8501 83 16_"God as surgeon"12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:50:37 +0200649_windows-1252 "God as surgeon" is the thrust of ultra-orthodoxy's explanation of how/why during the holocaust an omnipotent god could have let 1/3 of world Jewry go up in the smoke of the crematoria. ( "He had has reasons to lop off a diseased limb much as a surgeon committed to save sick person.") Quoting this from the writings of Lubavitcher Rebbe (Chabad's so-called "King Messiah"), Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, Yehuda Bauer the eminent Isralei scholar of the holocaust condemns ultra-orthodoxy’s bankrupt philosophy as an amoral cop-out. The piece is trenchant and a challenge to thinking orthodox of whatever school. -see Ha'aretz on-line [...] 8585 172 20_Re: "God as surgeon"14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:11:13 +0200474_windows-1252 And all this time I thought the "god as surgeon" was a joke.......

A line of people are waiting at the Pearly Gates to enter as each one is slowly processed. Suddenly an elderly man wearing a long white lab coat with a stethescope drapped over his neack bustles up and goes right in without even pausing for the long line. One of the people starts to complain and St Peter says "That's all right - Its just God - He likes to play doctor sometimes." [...] 8758 909 45_Re: The Guardian - Jacqueline Rose on Judaism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:54:19 -0700543_iso-8859-1

Yeah, it really takes courage to write "Israeli jets strafe Gaza". How? Most of Jewish Liberaldom is the sycophantic choir she is writing to, among others of that leaning. What courage does it take to write what she writes to these people?

Steve







http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/history/0,,2094029,00.html





A land driven by contradictions



In the fiercely argued The Last Resistance, Jacqueline Rose analyses what it means to be Jewish today [...] 9668 34 50_Fwd: Re: The Guardian - Jacqueline Rose on Judaism12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:44:58 -0700822_iso-8859-1 --- Sue Liberman wrote:

> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Sue Liberman > Subject: Re: The Guardian - Jacqueline Rose on > Judaism > To: Steve Klein >









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My dear friend Sam Flesher wrote regarding Tom Segev's article):

> Thanks for posting this. This is very informative.

Here's another article that's even more interesting and informative (imho). It's not about "what if" it's about how things went wrong (again, imho) in 1967:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/867056.html

It's been mentioned a number of times on this list that Israel was unable to contemplate expediting the formation of a Palestinian state in the newly conquered territories because there was no one with whom to negotiate such a plan. This article appears to put a lie to such claims. [...] 9753 87 20_Re: "God as surgeon"12_Meir Hurwitz16_meir69@GMAIL.COM30_Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:23:24 +0400617_ISO-8859-1 Where can I go to sue "God" for malpractice ?





On 6/5/07, amnon hadary wrote: > > "God as surgeon" is the thrust of ultra-orthodoxy's explanation of > how/why during the holocaust an omnipotent god could have let 1/3 of > world Jewry go up in the smoke of the crematoria. ( "He had has reasons to > lop off a diseased limb much as a surgeon committed to save sick person.") > Quoting this from the writings of Lubavitcher Rebbe (Chabad's so-called > "King Messiah"), Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, Yehuda Bauer the eminent > Isralei scholar of the holocaust [...] 9841 78 20_Re: "God as surgeon"0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:01:48 EDT630_US-ASCII

In a message dated 6/6/2007 6:23:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, meir69@GMAIL.COM writes:

Where can I go to sue "God" for malpractice ?









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Jon Very interesting. Really interesting

Sam

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Chevre,

My dear friend Sam Flesher wrote regarding Tom Segev's article):

> Thanks for posting this. This is very informative.

Here's another article that's even more interesting and informative (imho). It's not about "what if" it's about how things went wrong (again, imho) in 1967: [...] 10059 392 102_Lately I'm identifying with the Jews and all the horrible things that happened to them during Vietnam.13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Wed, 6 Jun 2007 17:16:39 +0300489_us-ascii

The Paris Hilton prison diaries

Jailhouse musings from the hotel heiress. By John Kenney, JOHN KENNEY is a writer in New York. June 5, 2007

Paris Hilton, after attending Sunday's MTV Movie Awards, was then off to the Century Regional Detention Facility in Lynwood. She is expected to serve about 23 days for violating her probation stemming from an alcohol-related driving charge. "I hope that I'm an example to other young people," she told reporters. [...] 10452 567 37_WSJ - Is Anti-Semitism Good for Jews?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:19:47 -0400694_ISO-8859-1 WSJ.com OpinionJournal







OPINIONJOURNAL FEDERATION

Anti-Semitism: Good for the Jews? Yes, in moderation.

BY EUGENE VOLOKH Wednesday, June 6, 2007 12:01 a.m.

American Jews naturally worry about anti-Semitic speech, for the obvious reason that it could lead to anti-Semitic murder, other crimes, job discrimination and more. They also worry about unfair criticism of Israel, because it could undermine American help for Israel, American trade and professional exchanges with Israel and the like. [...] 11020 46 41_Re: WSJ - Is Anti-Semitism Good for Jews?12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:02:31 -0700708_ascii Not unlike the uptick in environmental awareness and activism brought on by George Bush taking up residence in the White House (or Reagan before him). -Sharon





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Where can I go to sue "God" for malpractice ?



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A chance for a more intimate gathering than the Tom Segev event last night.

Hope some of you can make it! If you can, please rsvp.

Judy Gelman



























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You are invited to a brunch, presentation and discussion





with





*Judi Widetzky*

* *

*"Women of Israel, Women of Palestine"*

* *

*Sunday, June 10* [...] 11619 96 27_Would love to hear from you19_Ann Farbiasz Shahar21_Ann.Shahar@TEVA.CO.IL30_Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:48:40 +0300549_us-ascii



Dear All,

It has been a long time since I had any communication with old friends especially from NY where I belonged to Habonim as a teenager.

My name is Ann Farbiasz Shahar. Went to meetings in the NYC district during 1966-1968. Went to Naaleh for two summer camps. Made aliya in 1968 since my brother Isaac Farbiasz wanted to stay in Israel. When I came to Israel I stayed with him on Kibbutz Urim for the summer. Must say I had a great time with all the people on that workshop. I was the baby sister. [...] 11716 644 45_Is a War between Syria and Israel Inevitable?13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:09:41 +0300559_us-ascii

Is a War between Syria and Israel Inevitable?





By David Eshel



There is a consensus within the Israeli defense establishment and intelligence community that very soon the government will have to make a decision on Syria. Years of passive foot dragging seem to come to an end and a political decision cannot be postponed for long. There are only two major options: Will Israel enter into highly controversial talks with Bashar Assad's regime, or will a military confrontation become almost inevitable? [...] 12361 46 45_Re: Another DC area Ameinu event this weekend0_22_ILANAATBARGATE@AOL.COM28_Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:15:59 EDT570_US-ASCII Yes I plan to come. Thanks,Ilana Goldstein.





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What a Mess

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

RAMALLAH, West Bank

The Middle East has gotten itself tied into such an impossible knot that Biblical references or Shakespearian quotations simply don't suffice anymore to describe how impossibly tangled politics has become here. Shira Wolosky, a Hebrew University English scholar, suggested to me that maybe Dr. Seuss, in "The Cat in the Hat," offered the best way to sum up the Middle East today. [...] 12712 446 30_Re: [QUAR] Tom Friedman Column13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:00:58 +0300450_US-ASCII Great. Just when things are going from bad to worse, Friedman offers us Dr. Seuss interpretations. What an idiot.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Shawn Eli Barland Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 2:38 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: [QUAR] Tom Friedman Column Importance: Low



The New York Times [...] 13159 500 30_Re: [QUAR] Tom Friedman Column13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:12:00 -0400526_iso-8859-1 MessageHe's actually not offering many interpretations at all. He is just trying to come to terms with how big the mess is, and with the fact there seems to be no way out of it. In any case, in my view, one thing would be fundamental for Israel in this bad juncture: strong leadership. But there is none in the offing: just bad or worse choices such as Bibi or Barak. Alas, it seems it will take a lot of luck or even maybe a 'miracle' to just survive and get by... To me it looks almost hopeless. Then again, [...] 13660 144 54_Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:15:19 +0300500_windows-1255 Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles 07.6.07 | 09:40

Plasan Sasa, which makes armoring for vehicles, won a $200 million tender this week to armor vehicles for the U.S. Marines.

Plasan is subcontracting for the American company International Military and Government in a $623 million project.

Plasan will manufacture the units by February 2008. According to the weekly Hakibbutz, this is the largest tender ever won by a kibbutz-owned company. [...] 13805 155 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:19:18 -0400592_windows-1255 I'm glad the war in Iraw is helping someone! Judy

Jonathan Baum wrote:

> Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles > > 07.6.07 | 09:40 > > Plasan Sasa, which makes armoring for vehicles, won a $200 million > tender this week to armor vehicles for the U.S. Marines. > > Plasan is subcontracting for the American company International > Military and Government in a $623 million project. > > Plasan will manufacture the units by February 2008. According to the > weekly Hakibbutz, this is the largest tender ever won by a > kibbutz-owned company. > [...] 13961 143 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:04:19 +0200487_windows-1255 Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehiclesMABRUK!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles



Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles

07.6.07 | 09:40



Plasan Sasa, which makes armoring for vehicles, won a $200 million tender this week to armor vehicles for the U.S. Marines. [...] 14105 255 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:26:49 +0300417_us-ascii Thanks Judy. Your tax dollars at work.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:19 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles



I'm glad the war in Iraw is helping someone! Judy

Jonathan Baum wrote: [...] 14361 275 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:37:15 +0300527_us-ascii Thanks Dave. Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:04 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles



MABRUK!!!

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:15 AM Subject: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles [...] 14637 93 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:20:17 -0700356_iso-8859-1 What year was Kibbutz Sasa founded? How many members does it have today? What year did they start this business?

How many member does the business employ, and how many outside workers? I hope this type of information can be shared with the list? Thanks, ___ |Y| ^^^

Jonathan Baum wrote: Thanks Dave. Jon [...] 14731 26 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0300421_us-ascii Ok, Yuval, not a problem. To answer your questions: Sasa was founded in 1949 by a Hashomer Hatzair garin from North America that included my parents. Today it has 230 members and candidates. Plasan Sasa was established in 1985. It totals roughly 450 employees, of whom 42 are members of Sasa. The first figure is likely to increase soon. http://www.sasa.org.il/esasatell.html http://www.plasansasa.com/ Jon [...] 14758 39 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:50:31 -0400633_us-ascii Jon,

If it's not too personal a question, how did a Hasomer kid from Sasa end up at Galil?

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:40:13 +0300 >From: Jonathan Baum >Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > >Ok, Yuval, not a problem. To answer your questions: >Sasa was founded in 1949 by a Hashomer Hatzair garin from North America that >included my parents. Today it has 230 members and candidates. >Plasan Sasa was established in 1985. It totals roughly 450 employees, of >whom 42 are members of Sasa. [...] 14798 65 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:56:57 +0300447_us-ascii My parents didn't want to send me and my brother to a camp in NY. Galil is closer to Philly. Plus, I they wanted to send us to a summer camp with indoor plumbing.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:51 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles [...] 14864 58 17_God's Secret Army12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:58:37 +0200281_us-ascii God's Army

A friend was in front of me coming out of shul one day ,and the Rabbi was standing at the door as he always is to shake hands. He grabbed my friend by the hand and pulled him aside.

The Rabbi said to him, "You need to join the Army of God! " [...] 14923 194 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:10:13 -0400618_ISO-8859-1 I understand the natural impulse of all other Habonudniks to insult Naaleh but this is really gratuitous. Noam is a Mosh boy. So, are you "ben meshek" or did your arrival occur in the US? Judy

Jonathan Baum wrote:

>My parents didn't want to send me and my brother to a camp in NY. Galil is >closer to Philly. Plus, I they wanted to send us to a summer camp with >indoor plumbing. > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On >Behalf Of Noam Stopak >Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:51 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: [...] 15118 117 53_Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:17:38 -0400586_utf-8

Hello Habonetters:

We haven't had a good ideological discussion in a while so I thought I would try and get one going.

Don't know if any of you saw this interview that Ha'aretz's Ari Shavit did with Avrum about his new book "Defeating Hitler."Â It is a painful article in many ways and I would be interested in other people's reactions. I have placed the link below; it is a pretty long weekend magazine article. Although it will be tempting to wait for others to read it and then respond to their comments without actually reading the article, I would [...] 15236 22 42_Israel's lost 40 years - Los Angeles Times11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:13:30 -0400612_ISO-8859-1 I thought that some of you might be interested in this oped by Meir Shalev. Judy

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-shalev5jun05,0,2096077.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

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To answer your question, my parents left Sasa and returned to the US a year or so before I was born.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:10 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles [...] 15598 244 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:51:29 -0700374_utf-8 I really didn't want to be the first to weigh in on this article. I will hold my peace until a few have spoken. I will say that I was nausiated by Avrum Burg. Following his thinking was like visiting the back ward of a mental institution and trying to make sense of things that are presented with articulation but without adherance to the normal rules of reason. [...] 15843 63 2_JJ11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:27:35 -0700520_iso-8859-1 Sue

Congrats for a fine [Habonim] article in the Jewish Journal!

Steve



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Without comment

Steve



Subject: A day in the life of Hebrew U'



Maria Bennet was only 24 in July 2002. In May of that same year she wrote a column for a newspaper in her hometown of San Diego, in which she spoke of her friends and families concerns for her safety while she was in Israel; "I appreciate their concern. But there is nowhere else in the world I would rather be right now. "I have a front-row seat for the history of the Jewish people. I am a part of the struggle for Israel's survival." [...] 16675 71 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:28:51 -0400324_UTF-8 This sounds like horribly painful reading. To me, it sounds like he has some useful things to say but has clothed them in such an angry and extreme tone that they will not be heard. He will only be vilified. (I saw that a member of the chief rabbinate said that he should be denied burial in the land of Israel.) [...] 16747 427 25_Event for NY Area Chevre!11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:59:08 -0400637_ISO-8859-1



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“Every good intelligence officer has to read poetry.”

At a retrospective evening honoring Hiam Gouri this week there were poets and literati galore; enough tenured professors to staff Hebrew Lit faculties at a number of prestigious universities, and mostly his readers. While Yehuda Amichai’s was the personal voice of the 1948 generation, Hiam Gouri’s was the collective one – Anu, anu ha’palmach. [...] 17513 145 28_Habonim in LA Jewish Journal0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:27:50 -0400447_utf-8 Hi folks:

Steve mentioned an article that mentioned Habonim yesterday. Here is the link - it features actor Seth Rogen; you may not know who he is but your kids do. Machaneh Miriam kid makes good!

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/searchview.php?id=17754

Ken



-----Original Message----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:27 pm Subject: JJ [...] 17659 4073 30_Fw: 40 years later - a reunion11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:28:01 -0700855_iso-8859-1



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If you can help:

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Subject: Fw: FW: Bikur Cholim Blood & Bone Marrow Drive at Temple Isaiah



This is my friend Gloria's cousin.Please help and pass it on.

Marcia

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Yvonne is my cousin. Could you possibly do me a great favor and forward this on to as many people as you can. [...] 21977 92 33_A Conversation With Nonie Darwish11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:06:23 -0700716_iso-8859-1 Our issue of "REFORM JUDAISM" arrived yesterday, with an interview with Nonie Darwish, whose father was assassinated by Israeli intelligence.

reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/go.cfm?destination=ViewItem&Item_ID=1239 - 41k -

I hope this comes through, as it is certainly riveting and especially strong, given the source.

She is the author of "They Call Me Infidel"



Steve



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----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: A Conversation With Nonie Darwish



Our issue of "REFORM JUDAISM" arrived yesterday, with an interview with Nonie Darwish, whose father was assassinated by Israeli intelligence.

http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/go.cfm?destination=ViewItem&Item_ID=1239 - 41k -

I hope this comes through, as it is certainly riveting and especially strong, given the source. [...] 22183 109 37_Fw: A Conversation With Nonie Darwish11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:09:10 -0700513_iso-8859-1 Correction (apologies)

Steve



Subject: A Conversation With Nonie Darwish



Our issue of "REFORM JUDAISM" arrived yesterday, with an interview with Nonie Darwish, whose father was assassinated by Israeli intelligence.

http://reformjudaismmag.org/_kd/go.cfm?destination=ViewItem&Item_ID=1239 - 41k -

I hope this comes through, as it is certainly riveting and especially strong, given the source.

She is the author of "Now They Call Me Infidel" [...] 22293 48 32_Re: Habonim in LA Jewish Journal0_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:07:37 -0400 22342 95 20_Fw: a good one I saw14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:29:38 +0200651_windows-1255



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Could you please send me instructions on how to re-sign my parents to Habonet? They're at:

rdbaum@netvision.net.il

Thanks,

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Jonathan Baum wrote: Hey Noam, Could you please send me instructions on how to re-sign my parents to Habonet? They're at: rdbaum@netvision.net.il Thanks, Jon

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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Yuval Warshai Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 5:32 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Signing up



They have been re-signed up by me as of this morning. They should be getting this message already through the list server. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...] 22713 90 14_Re: Signing up6_RDBaum23_rdbaum@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:35:21 +0200663_ISO-8859-1 thanks to all who have aided us to resubscribe to Habonet. We missed hearing from the list while we were on vacation.

Rezzie and Dave Baum ----- Original Message ----- From: Yuval Warshai To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: Signing up



They have been re-signed up by me as of this morning. They should be getting this message already through the list server. : The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG For other options go to: http://listserv.SHAMASH.ORG/ [...] 22804 350 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:57:59 -0400564_UTF-8 Well, I haven't read the book (yet). I read the entire interview/dialogue between Avrum Burg and Ari Shavit.

I have a couple of features in my family/history that match Burg's own: his father was a "refugee from Dresden" as Shavit puts it (interestingly avoiding to call the late minister Yosef Burg a "holocaust survivor"). My own father was also a Yekke, a refugee from Frankfurt (am-Main) at age 13. My mother is not a Yekke, and I believe Burg's mother is or was. I believe that Burg and Shavit must be a couple of years older than me (I was [...] 23155 162 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:40:49 +0300377_us-ascii Yuval, It's not that comparisons are odious but that Burg is. Why would a nice guy like you want to compare himself to a Bish Jedda like him?

Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Yuval Warshai Date: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:58 am Subject: Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 23318 243 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book13_avi rosenberg17_avir673@GMAIL.COM31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:52:40 +0300436_ISO-8859-1 People seem to have a low opinion of Avram Burg. I'm not sure why. I half listened to a short discussion on the radio yesterday about the newspaper article (nobody seems to have read the book) between Razi Barka'i and Dan Shilon and they didn't seem to take Burg's opinions very seriously, but were more concerned with whether we need to listen to someone who's past record doesn't seem to run a very straight line. Avi [...] 23562 205 57_Re: Anbody want to discuss Zionism? Avrum Burg's new book13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:13:37 -0700498_iso-8859-1 Amnon,

Burg is not odious to me at all. I, for one, respect him a lot. I haven't followed the media image of him after he left politics, but I pretty much identify with many things he has said along his career. What makes you think I am a nice guy? If you knew me, maybe you'd think differently. I am sure there are a lot of other people on this list who don't agree with you, even though they don't know me either, in the least. These are just internet lists... ___ |Y| ^^^ [...] 23768 554 24_NYT - Rules for Jihadism16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:47:16 -0400735_us-ascii Q. Whaddaya call the mother of a suicide bomber? A. A shahidishe mama.

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Our first event, a social gathering, will be held in the Islamic Garden of the Middle East Institute: [...] 25235 304 58_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@NYCAP.RR.COM31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:27:47 -0400568_us-ascii I send my kids to Shomria and there is plumbing, it is just not as good as Habonim plumbing.

Jonathan Baum wrote:

> No, no, no Judy. I was referring to Shomria. I wouldn't insult Naaleh. > Mosh, maybe, but not Naaleh. > > To answer your question, my parents left Sasa and returned to the US a > year or so before I was born. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh > [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:10 PM > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Subject: [...] 25540 86 54_Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to plumb summer camps11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:01:28 -0400352_iso-8859-1 Wow Dan, talk about damning with faint praise :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bernstein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: Plasan Sasa wins huge tender to armor Marines vehicles



I send my kids to Shomria and there is plumbing, it is just not as good as Habonim plumbing. [...] 25627 312 56_Shattered cease-fire sends Gaza spiraling into Civil War13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Wed, 13 Jun 2007 09:26:30 +0300542_us-ascii

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A Palestinian unit, aparently members of the Hamas militant group, operating in Gaza The bloody Gaza Strip once more became the scene of brutal fighting Monday, which reached its climax with a massive attack by Hamas on major Fatah security installations, threatening to take full control of the strip against President Abu Mazen's forces. [...] 25940 327 32_FW: Spanish Newspaper Article !!5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:19:42 +0200626_windows-1255









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ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez(*)

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world. [...] 26268 127 60_Re: Shattered cease-fire sends Gaza spiraling into Civil War0_25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:13:51 +0300655_iso-8859-1 We just received this from the American Consulate in Jerusalem:







Interfactional clashes in the Gaza Strip have resulted in a precarious and dangerous security situation. All American citizens are urged for their safety to remain indoors. If there is shooting or explosions in your neighborhood, stand fast and move into the interior areas of your residence away from windows, using mattresses or other means of protection from shrapnel or glass shards. If there is a basement area, move to it. The risk of being caught in crossfire outdoors is great. American citizens in the Gaza Strip should depart as soon [...] 26396 19 40_"Shining Stars of Habonim - Forward.com"11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:33:09 -0400485_ISO-8859-1 http://www.forward.com/articles/shining-stars-of-habonim/

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Batel

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Sue Liberman [...] 26678 59 44_Re: "Shining Stars of Habonim - Forward.com"0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM29_Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:49:28 EDT559_US-ASCII Just off the top of my head, here in LA the head of the Bureau of Jewish Education, Yoni Schultz, and a county supervisor, Zev Yaroslavsky are Habos.





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Further revealing underlying Palestinian attitudes toward Israel, the brother of a senior Fatah field commander pleaded on Tuesday for Hamas forces to stop their onslaught in Gaza because those being killed are not Jews.



"They're firing at us, firing RPGs, firing mortars. We're not Jews," Britain's Telegraph quoted the boy as saying during a telephone interview with Palestinian radio. [...] 26858 171 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:17:08 +0300718_windows-1252



----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum Date: Friday, June 15, 2007 7:04 am Subject: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG





Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man Further revealing underlying Palestinian attitudes toward Israel, the brother of a senior Fatah field commander pleaded on Tuesday for Hamas forces to stop their onslaught in Gaza because those being killed are not Jews. “They're firing at us, firing RPGs, firing mortars. We're not Jews,” Britain's Telegraph quoted the boy as saying during a telephone interview with Palestinian radio. Moments later, the boy and his brother [...] 27030 28 20_Excerpt from Forward19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:00:32 -0400 27059 27 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:00:46 +0300390_us-ascii Well Amnon, maybe they'll try and I'm sure they want to but, as far as I can see, they're never coming back and the sooner the Palestinians absorb that fact, the better off they'll be. Of course they want to get out of that shit hole. Maybe, just maybe, if they would spend less time and energy shooting rockets at us - and at each other - it could be a decent place to live. [...] 27087 199 12_Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:34:03 +0200533_windows-1255 Can anyone help me out here? Having a senior moment here and cant remember the Tavor song:( I Do Not mean the Midwest song-that one I DO remember. I have a feeling if someone can come up with the words-the tune will come back to me! Much appreciated-Aviva _____

The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network , a service of Hebrew College , which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies . [...] 27287 257 12_Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:36:38 +0200325_windows-1255



Subject: Tavor Anthem

Can anyone help me out here? Having a senior moment here and cant remember the Tavor song:( I Do Not mean the Midwest song-that one I DO remember. I have a feeling if someone can come up with the words-the tune will come back to me! Much appreciated-Aviva _____ [...] 27545 47 16_Re: Tavor Anthem19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:35:46 -0400 27593 283 16_Re: Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:57:33 +0200598_windows-1255 THANKS!!! I knew SOMEONE would remember! Has been “bugging” me for days! Shabbat shalom to all-Aviva

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Aliya Cheskis-Cotel Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:36 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem

Written by Sam Flesher in 1963 I think:

Techi la b'shevach b'machaneh Tavor - kol chanichav muchanim la'azor, b'hitkadmut Habonim b'kol maaseh chashuv, anu chavirei Habonim - Naaleh al haTavor, etc. hachevrah hachi tova b'Habonim . . . . . [...] 27877 302 16_Re: Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:06:00 +0200441_windows-1255 Has to be at least after 1965 because before that –it was “Midwest Camp Habonim” name only changed to Tavor in 66! “Ha-tadu mi anochi? Ha-dadu mi ani? Ani chanich be’machaneh shel Midwest Habonim:)

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Aliya Cheskis-Cotel Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:36 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem [...] 28180 117 16_Re: Tavor Anthem19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:32:18 -0400 28298 355 16_Re: Tavor Anthem14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:35:20 +0200346_windows-1255 I seem to remember that we had to change the name to a Hebrew name before the Vei'da in 1963 in Galil.... I was very excited to attend as I was only in younger Bonim that year...... and I also sorta remember the whole camp out near the old corncrib area (next to the white tzrif) and that is where we voted on the new name..... [...] 28654 57 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:39:52 +0200453_windows-1252 What is certainly missing here is tha fact that both the Fatah and the Hamas are not blaming Israel!!!!!

Shabbat Shalom, Dave



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In fact, Dave, I'll make book with you that I can find 5 articles by Sunday blaming Israel for this bloodshed. Winner pays for a meal out in Tel Aviv. Any takers?

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:40 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man [...] 28851 156 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:49:06 +0200443_iso-8859-1 MessageSorry - no bet on my part. I stay away from T-A as much as possible. But you're probably right. For starters Iran, Syria, Yemen, the EU and the British Universities will be the first to condemn us for the civil war in Gaza, right?

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man [...] 29008 286 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:02:18 +0300464_us-ascii Yeah. Plus Juan Cole, Gideon Levi, Naomi Klein and a few more I could probably think of.

Smart move. My end of the wager was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Gut Shabbos.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:49 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man [...] 29295 570 36_Forward - Avraham Burg's New Zionism16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:07:22 -0400606_ISO-8859-1



Avraham Burg's New Zionism Editor's Notebook J.J. Goldberg | Wed. Jun 13, 2007

Zionism has meant many things to many people over the past century. To Theodor Herzl and the founders of the Zionist movement, it meant creating a national home to gather in the Jewish people -- to some minds, as a refuge from antisemitism; for others, as a fulfillment of an ancient promise. To Herzl's great critic, the essayist Asher Ginsberg, better known as Ahad Ha'am, Zionism meant building a cultural and spiritual center in Israel to enrich the lives of Jews wherever they live. [...] 29866 374 16_Re: Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:33 +0200385_windows-1255 Is really ha taydu? As in-might you know? From la’daat



-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Aliya Cheskis-Cotel Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:32 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem

That's not true - it changed from Midwest to Tavor in either 63 or 62. [...] 30241 96 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:07:00 -0400459_Windows-1252 Most of what I've been reading includes some mention of Hamas asserting they are fighting Fatah factions supported by Israel and the US...

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:39 AM Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man



What is certainly missing here is tha fact that both the Fatah and the Hamas are not blaming Israel!!!!! [...] 30338 77 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:26:41 -0700616_iso-8859-1 So I had lunch yesterday with Frankie Perlmutter at Azrieli towers, and we discussed just this and the Sudanese refugee problem; what a dilemma!!! And how sad that the Palestinians can't get their act together...and see the possibilities for their future instead of all of this hate and murder and crime....Sitting at a cafe in Tel Aviv, or at AROMA in the mall in Bet Shemesh (had a business meeting there this morning) it all seems so sad and wasteful....the pictures on Israeli TV are awful......It'll get around to affecting us --just watch....But interesting that Israel is just sitting quietly [...] 30416 259 16_Re: Tavor Anthem14_Paul Fingerman29_paul.fingerman@MINDSPRING.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:15:42 -0700547_iso-8859-1 It was still "Midwest" in 1962, but Tavor in '64, so I think Dave is right.

Oh, and he had eggplant for lunch last Monday.

Paul

At 02:35 AM 6/15/2007, Holtzer Family wrote: >I seem to remember that we had to change the >name to a Hebrew name before the Vei'da in 1963 >in Galil.... I was very excited to attend as I >was only in younger Bonim that year...... and I >also sorta remember the whole camp out near the >old corncrib area (next to the white tzrif) and >that is where we voted on the new name..... > [...] 30676 559 16_Re: Tavor Anthem5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:43:56 +0200455_windows-1255 Ok-I will bow to your seniority here-and you were a not too shabby madrich of my KMBet:) Nice to hear from you Paul. I had a Caesar Salad-but then I am younger than you and Dave-memory cells still work-usually. Aviva

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Paul Fingerman Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:16 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem [...] 31236 286 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:37:53 -0400575_ISO-8859-1 You don't have to wait. There are lots of articles explaining that Israel and Bush didn't do enough to strengthen Abbas and that;s the cause. As soon as I see another one, I'll send a link, Judy

Jonathan Baum wrote:

> Yeah. Plus Juan Cole, Gideon Levi, Naomi Klein and a few more I could > probably think of. > > Smart move. My end of the wager was like shooting fish in a barrel. > > Gut Shabbos. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh > [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Holtzer Family [...] 31523 719 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:00:57 -0400700_utf-8 Hi folks:

Here is an article that is a "turn lemons into lemonade" approach for the Palestinians.

Ken -------------------------------------------------------

The fall of Gaza and the rise of Palestine

Gershon Baskin*





June 15, 2007





The fall of Gaza to Hamas has thrown the Palestinian people into its worst crisis since 1967. Â With every crisis there are usually new opportunities and those must be investigated and pursued, if possible. Gaza is lost, for the time being and there is little that the Palestinian leadership in Ramallah can do to immediately change the course of events. Â The present focus must now [...] 32243 277 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:36:54 EDT577_UTF-8 In a message dated 06/15/2007 5:37:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, deang@BEZEQINT.NET writes:

Is really ha taydu? As in-might you know? From la’daat

Hatatydu mi achochi, hataydu mi ani?

Ani Sam Flesher

Or at least that is what my friends and family keep telling me.

Here is the real story of the Tavor song as I know it. In 1963 I did not write the Tavor song. I wrote Splendor Bridge in 1963 for the Anthem of Garin Etgar to Gesher Haziv. However in 1964, I went for a summer at Tavor. I was with Gary Bennet and Gene Desfor and [...] 32521 48 40_Re: Forward - Avraham Burg's New Zionism13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:54:33 -0700544_iso-8859-1 I am glad the profession of journalism still has standard bearers such as JJ Goldberg to try and set ther record straight, not only Ari Shavit and his ilk. What JJ is saying was all clear to me while I read the conversation published by Shavit, but I understand that may not be so for the average reader, who does not necessarily have the history, philosophy, and religion background I try to apply to all my readings. In any case, I would also like to use this opportunity to say I am happy Shimon Peres finally got the job he [...] 32570 317 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.19_Belinkoff, Dalia E.24_Dalia.Belinkoff@NLRB.GOV31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:00:09 -0400462_us-ascii Isn't it Hateidu mi anochi, hateidu mi ani? Chanich ani b'machaneh shel Midwest Habonim

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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Smfgrappa@AOL.COM Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:37 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.



In a message dated 06/15/2007 5:37:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, deang@BEZEQINT.NET writes: [...] 32888 108 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.27_Mike Rocklin, Kalamazoo MI.23_mikerocklin@CHARTER.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:14:30 -0400315_utf-8 --I don't have comment on the specifics of the Hebrew, but I am loving this thread. I remember reading the lyrics written on the ceiling of the (old) bus in the late seventies and early eighties as a chanich, and am super excited to be dropping off my oldest son this Sunday for his 3rd summer at Tavor! [...] 32997 217 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:16:06 +0300603_us-ascii Ken, You neglected to mention Gershon Baskin's credentials. I have it on good authority that his madrich was Hiam Simon.

Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:01 pm Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Hi folks: > > Here is an article that is a "turn lemons into lemonade" approach > for the Palestinians. > > Ken > ------------------------------------------------------- > > The fall of Gaza and the rise of Palestine > > Gershon Baskin* > > > > June 15, 2007 > > > > The fall [...] 33215 429 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 17:42:27 +0300478_windows-1252 Now hear this Sam your heart is in right place but you garble things. At the end of this delightful piece of Habonim lore you wrote. Sam (still searching for meaning) Flesher - wrong way around - it should be meaning was looking for Sam and found him at Tavor. Shabbat Shalom your old buddy/madrich Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM Date: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:37 pm Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true. To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 33645 180 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:28:34 +0200307_windows-1255 So as long as we are at it....some of you "old timers" if there are any of you out there-who wrote the Midwest song? And hi Sam-keep on rockin'. I remember there was a rumor back then when I was oh so young -like 12? And you were this "grown up " guy that you never wore underwear:) Aviva [...] 33826 471 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:36:54 -0400558_utf-8 It is great when the "source" can speak up and share such delightful details of our (Tavorites) collective past. Thanks Sam,! Adding to his retelling, I can share that last summer at the Galil reunion it was amazing to participate in a kumsitz in which Sam led us - current chanichim to veterans - in Splendor Bridge and EVERYONE knew the words. A truly priceless moment was several years ago when I put Sam's CD in the CD player and my kids heard Splendor Bridge and were puzzled that it was recorded and wasn't just their Camp Galil song. BTW, [...] 34298 36 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:56:08 +0200580_windows-1255 The resource person for the Midwest song might be Mike Zurakof - he was a batyit brat from when the place was "new"......

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "Aviva" To: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.



> So as long as we are at it....some of you "old timers" if there are any > of you out there-who wrote the Midwest song? And hi Sam-keep on rockin'. > I remember there was a rumor back then when I was oh so young -like 12? > And you were [...] 34335 470 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:57:23 +0200615_utf-8 Last time I was at Tavor ( acouple summers ago I dropped in with one of my daughters), they were still singing both songs. Ah, nostalgia.......

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.



It is great when the "source" can speak up and share such delightful details of our (Tavorites) collective past. Thanks Sam,! Adding to his retelling, I can share that last summer at the Galil reunion it was amazing to participate in a kumsitz in which Sam led us - current [...] 34806 154 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.27_Mike Rocklin, Kalamazoo MI.23_mikerocklin@CHARTER.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:03:06 -0400274_utf-8 --Yes it is sung as one song, yet most (including myself until today) do not realize that it is two songs. I cried on the way to camp last year when my son and I sang the song together as we drove up the dirt drive. I look forward to those tears again on Sunday. [...] 34961 195 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:04:14 EDT594_US-ASCII In a message dated 06/15/2007 11:38:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kbob24@aol.com writes:

is great when the "source" can speak up and share such delightful details of our (Tavorites) collective past. Thanks Sam,! Adding to his retelling, I can share that last summer at the Galil reunion it was amazing to participate in a kumsitz in which Sam led us - current chanichim to veterans - in Splendor Bridge and EVERYONE knew the words. A truly priceless moment was several years ago when I put Sam's CD in the CD player and my kids heard Splendor Bridge and were puzzled that [...] 35157 573 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:27:35 +0200558_windows-1255 Another immortal legend bites the dust......(and at the time- I thought the no underwear was kinda cool-so if you want to-you can retract -since I never claimed first hand knowledge:).Having made Aliya in 1970 ,my kids missed the camp experience-though my daughter Shiri did a stint as a madricha before her army service and came home with many memories, but just know Sam-that “Splendor Bridge” was a lullaby my kids fell asleep to-and my grandchildren too today. I think that surpasses the underwear! Many more healthy years to you-Aviva [...] 35731 21 12_Tavor, done?0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:48:05 -0700489_utf-8 Is the Tavor blitz over? Is it safe to come out again?

Norm

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Aviva wrote:

>So as long as we are at it....some of you "old timers" if there are any >of you out there-who wrote the Midwest song? And hi Sam-keep on rockin'. >I remember there was a rumor back then when I was oh so young -like 12? >And you were this "grown up " guy that you never wore underwear:) Aviva > >-----Original Message----- >From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] >On Behalf Of Mike Rocklin, Kalamazoo MI. >Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:15 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: [...] 36524 39 16_Re: Tavor, done?17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:21:19 -0500686_UTF-8 Sorry Norm. It's Midwest Camp Habonet. If you're lucky, later tonight after some great dancing in the refet you might even hear the story of Crepsi.

normk@ADELPHIA.NET wrote: > Is the Tavor blitz over? Is it safe to come out again? > > Norm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > For other options go to: http://listserv.SHAMASH.ORG/ > > > [...] 36564 274 24_FW: 7th Workshop & intro10_Sam Kelman20_samkelman@BEPURE.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:26:46 -0400520_US-ASCII



Hi all,

First, to follow Habonet protocol:

I am Sam Kelman, married to Anna nee Festinger. I was a member of Chicago Habonim from 1950-1960 when I went to the national office to work and meet Anna. I attended Yad Ari from 50-54, Kinneret in 55, Midwest/Tavor 56-60, as meracez the last year, Naaleh in 61 as merakez; Kvutza near Montreal 62 & 63 as rosh Machaneh. 57-58; I attended the 7th workshop. (Pardon the bland description of what was a great set of experiences for me [...] 36839 207 32_FW: Tavor Anthem - its all true.10_Sam Kelman20_samkelman@BEPURE.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:27:38 -0400460_US-ASCII I am pretty sure that the Camp Tavor song was written by our shaliach the first summer, 56. His first name was Nachi (Nachman) and he was from a moshav shitufi, I believe either Bet Herut or Moshav Habonim. Sam Kelman

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Aviva Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 12:29 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true. [...] 37047 60 16_Re: Tavor, done?11_Paul Caplan25_paul.caplan@CYGNUSB2B.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 00:37:36 +0000396_utf-8 I attended Tavor in the summers of 69 and 70 and I can't believe how just reading the vocabulary here brings back a flood of memories. Shabbat shalom to everyone -- Paul Caplan Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message----- From: Shawn Eli Barland

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:21:19 To:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor, done? [...] 37108 23 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:06:54 +0300526_windows-1252 Sam, I want to confirm something you wrote: “but I had never written a song in Hebrew and my Hebrew at the time was kind of...shall we say weak.” This was nice for me because when your workshop assigned you to put the English words of their siyum musical into Hebrew you asked me to help with the translation. I knew almost as little about rhyme and beat as you did about Hebrew so I learned about inflection and keeping a syllable count and you had to count on me. Things were simpler in those years. Amnon [...] 37132 62 16_Re: Tavor, done?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:20:35 +0300588_us-ascii Not yet Norm. I went to an even earlier mid forties incarnation of Tavor. It was in New Buffalo, Michigan and was called Tel Chai.

Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Eli Barland Date: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:21 am Subject: Re: Tavor, done? To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Sorry Norm. It's Midwest Camp Habonet. If you're lucky, later > tonight after some great dancing in the refet you might even hear > the > story of Crepsi. > > normk@ADELPHIA.NET wrote: > > Is the Tavor blitz over? Is it safe to come out again? > > > > [...] 37195 47 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 01:24:44 -0400 37243 114 58_Re: FW: 7th Workshop & intro-YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:06:46 -0700583_iso-8859-1 Hiya Sam!--If you are getting ready for your 50th- it means the 11th workshop will celebrate that in 4 years!!!!....Yikes how time flies!!!!...Susie (Freed) Liberman



--- Sam Kelman wrote:

> > > Hi all, > > First, to follow Habonet protocol: > > I am Sam Kelman, married to Anna nee Festinger. I > was a member of Chicago > Habonim from 1950-1960 when I went to the national > office to work and meet > Anna. I attended Yad Ari from 50-54, Kinneret in 55, > Midwest/Tavor 56-60, as > meracez the last year, Naaleh in 61 as [...] 37358 69 16_Another "Samism"12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:13:11 -0700435_iso-8859-1 My son Micha was at Young Judaea's camp Tel Yehudah (there was no Habonim in Houston, so Avi and Micha are products of Young Judaea!), and one of the kids in his tzrif, who brought a guitar, started to sing Splendor Bridge....Micha had recognized it from years of it being sung in our house...so he found out that he "kid" was Sam's son...and then they realized that the parents knew each other..Small world!..sue(sie) [...] 37428 65 16_Re: Tavor, done?5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:23:21 +0200432_windows-1255 OR-go to the milk bar in the open bed truck (that I think had a name) driven by the one and only legendary Dave Holtzer! But since its Saturday morning now-30 odd years ago-you could have been munching on some deep fried French toast, fried by Mr Freeman of the roaming hands in some wicked grease product that has surely been declared against the law by now-tehila ve'shevach! Meet you under "aitz hashira" Aviva [...] 37494 66 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_14_FIZNIK@AOL.COM29_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 08:44:06 EDT552_US-ASCII Dave..Carmi...it was nice seeing you at Urim...and your children. Sorry we did not have time to talk more.

Regards,

Danny Zifkin





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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 37561 154 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:37:39 EDT578_UTF-8 In a message dated 06/16/2007 1:07:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes:

Sam, I want to confirm something you wrote: “but I had never written a song in Hebrew and my Hebrew at the time was kind of...shall we say weak.†This was nice for me because when your workshop assigned you to put the English words of their siyum musical into Hebrew you asked me to help with the translation. I knew almost as little about rhyme and beat as you did about Hebrew so I learned about inflection and keeping a syllable count and you had to count [...] 37716 59 12_Whose fault?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:12:39 -0400510_us-ascii In Habonet 2007-161 Dave Holtzer writes

> > What is certainly missing here is tha fact that both the Fatah and the > Hamas are not blaming Israel!!!!!

Only not yet they're not. Just wait!

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In any case, if you care to send me a copy direct to nstopak@starpower.net I'll be happy to hear it, as I always am when you send me some of your music. [...] 38012 99 50_Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:47:29 -0400479_UTF-8 Indeed, let us hope. B'mherah, b'yameinu b'karov

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Don't shoot, we're not Jews,' pleads Fatah man



Hi folks:

Here is an article that is a "turn lemons into lemonade" approach for the Palestinians.

Ken -------------------------------------------------------

The fall of Gaza and the rise of Palestine [...] 38112 197 16_Re: Tavor, done?0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:08:59 -0400651_utf-8 With an ironic wink, IÂ believe the truck's name was "mashiach," right Dave?

Ken



-----Original Message----- From: Aviva To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 4:23 am Subject: Re: Tavor, done?





OR-go to the milk bar in the open bed truck (that I think had a name) riven by the one and only legendary Dave Holtzer! But since its aturday morning now-30 odd years ago-you could have been munching on ome deep fried French toast, fried by Mr Freeman of the roaming hands n some wicked grease product that has surely been declared against the aw by now-tehila ve'shevach! [...] 38310 28 16_Re: Tavor, done?17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:53 -0500516_UTF-8 It was the definitely the "Mashiach" and Larry Miller was also behind the wheel many times.

kbob24@AOL.COM wrote: > With an ironic wink, I believe the truck's name was "mashiach," right > Dave? > > Ken >

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> Dave..Carmi...it was nice seeing you at Urim...and > your children. Sorry we > did not have time to talk more. > > Regards, > > Danny Zifkin > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, > http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: > HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 38402 264 16_Re: Tavor, done?14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Sun, 17 Jun 2007 01:30:51 +0200464_UTF-8 Jeez, Ken - If you have to ask, there's something wrong with you.

Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: Re: Tavor, done?



With an ironic wink, I believe the truck's name was "mashiach," right Dave?

Ken



-----Original Message----- From: Aviva To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 4:23 am Subject: Re: Tavor, done? [...] 38667 543 51_Request from Sharon Gelman to those with AMEX cards11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:26:17 -0400456_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevreh-

My sister Sharon has been involved with South Africa issues since she was in Habonim in the late 60's and 70's. She is now director of the LA based Artists for a New South Africa (ANSA) and one of their current focuses is helping AIDS orphans.

American Express is giving money to projects based on "votes" by cardholders. The ANSA project described below is currently in competition to one of the 50 finalist. . [...] 39211 557 87_[Fwd: Please take 5 minutes to help AIDS orphans. We need your vote by Sunday midnight]11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:38:08 -0400316_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevreh-

My sister Sharon has been involved with South Africa issues since she was in Habonim in the late 60's and 70's. She is now director of the LA-based Artists for a New South Africa (ANSA). One of the organization's focuses is helping AIDS orphans.

Here is how you can help: [...] 39769 773 30_Media Line - Virtual Realities16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 17 Jun 2007 14:02:22 -0400580_ISO-8859-1

------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONDOLEEZZA, ABDULLAH, ISRAELIS LIVING IN VIRTUAL REALITIES Why, it is often asked, is the Arab-Israel conflict so intractable? Part of the reason is that the various protagonists live each in a mental framework that ignores fundamental facts. Mostly these facts have been reported in the public media. But their significance is overlooked because it lies outside the virtual realities that those protagonists have created for themselves over long years. [...] 40543 44 11_Hamas/Fatah11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:10:55 +0000441_- So, Is there a chance we will see two Palestinian states emerge from the recent conflict, one run by Hamas the other by Fatah?

Batel

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Steve







Take a few moments to view this video of how fundamentalist Christianity has taken over the United States military academies.

Some of you will love this . . . some of you will hate this . . . I was shocked by some of the revelations. [...] 40733 545 15_Moscow/ Teheran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:36:56 -0700744_iso-8859-1

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Russian president Vladimir Putin put teeth in his threats and his cynically helpful alternative suggestions regarding the deployment of US missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic. [...] 41279 64 3_JWW11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:07:35 -0700563_iso-8859-1 Guys:

Does anyone have personal knowledge of Jewish World Watch and any projects they may be doing in Chad?

Steve



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For your enjoyment. Steve











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An Orthodox Jewish couple, preparing for a religious wedding meets with their rabbi for counseling. The rabbi asks if they have any last questions before they leave.

The man asks, "Rabbi, we realize it's tradition for men to dance with men, and women to dance with women at the reception. But, we'd like your permission to dance together, like the rest of the world." [...] 47606 94 57_Fw: Jennifer Grey singing Davey Crockett a la Mickey Katz11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:22:41 -0700710_iso-8859-1

Give yourselves a smile and a half.

Steve



Subject: Fw: Jennifer Grey singing Davey Crockett a la Mickey Katz







> Jennifer Grey singing and dancing (Joel Gray's daughter) > Click here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5cwwsdras >



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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 47701 392 30_Re: ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:40:09 -0400609_us-ascii The question is, how often does this kind of Scheisse happen?





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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Klein Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 12:26 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Fw: ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS!









My comments would parallel the following:





Steve















Take a few moments to view this video of how fundamentalist Christianity has taken over the United States military academies. [...] 48094 329 11_new lyrics?11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:30:59 -0400579_iso-8859-1

What do you think of this idea?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/opinion/18lebor.html

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June 18, 2007 Op-Ed Contributor New Lyrics for Israel By ADAM LeBOR AS Israel prepares to celebrate its 60th birthday next year, it's time to update its national anthem, "Hatikvah" ("The Hope"). Only a single phrase needs to be changed: "nefesh Yehudi," which means a Jewish soul, should be replaced with "nefesh Israeli," an Israeli soul. Why tamper with a beautiful, stirring hymn? To solve what we might call the "Hatikvah" contradiction. [...] 48424 59 15_Re: new lyrics?11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM29_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:19:05 EDT539_US-ASCII I remember when the few words to Hatikva were changed after the creation of Israel. I think the suggestion is a great one. Sylvia





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How often have you driven passed charming rural communities, with lovely red-roofed houses surrounded by lush, green lawns and amazing views, and thought, "I want to live in a place like that"? How many times have you made such a statement and then packed your family into your SUV and headed home to the crowded, pollution-filled city? [...] 48928 97 10_new lyrics7_Jessica21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:19:56 +0300452_windows-1255 HABONET Digest - 17 Jun 2007 to 18 Jun 2007 (#2007-164)A symbolic change... what about the rest of the words? The whole theme is 'ayin ltzion tzofia... hatikva bat shnot 2000' - this is our narrative, no one else's. And then 'lihyot am hofshi b'artzeinu, b'eretz tzion...' Sihani - Zionist, in Arabic, is almost a dirty word. Not sure it would make a dent, though I appreciate the spirit of the suggestion and have no other to offer. [...] 49026 131 14_Re: new lyrics11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:11:54 -0400590_windows-1255 Here is an alternative--Keep Hatikva as it is as the anthem of the Jewish people and Jewish institutions. Adopt an entirely different anthem that applies to all the citizens of Israel as the national anthem.

Judy

Jessica wrote:

> A symbolic change... what about the rest of the words? The whole theme > is 'ayin ltzion tzofia... hatikva bat shnot 2000' - this is our > narrative, no one else's. And then 'lihyot am hofshi b'artzeinu, > b'eretz tzion...' > Sihani - Zionist, in Arabic, is almost a dirty word. Not sure it would > make a dent, though I [...] 49158 707 30_[QUAR] Tavor Anthem-added Dror12_Danny Kanter20_kanter18@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:06:12 -0500412_us-ascii







FYI

At some point like in the late 70s or 80s, Habonim merged with Dror to create Habonim Dror North America and the word Dror was added as seen below. Otherwise the song remains the same!





Tavor opened for 2007 today!

Our enrollment which has been decreasing for 6 years, did increase by 10% in 2007 over 2006. (From 110 to 120) [...] 49866 739 34_Re: [QUAR] Tavor Anthem-added Dror0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:40:11 -0400567_utf-8 The addition of Dror happened in another tune I wrote while I was a chanich at Galil

Anachnu Habonim, Anachnu habnomim Aleh oovney aley oovney b'eretz yisrael. Habonim, habonim Aley ovneh, beretz yisrael. When my kid went to Mosh and Tavor I discovered to my surprise that this simple even simplistic ditty was still being sung with the addition of "Dror" after every Habonim. Once you make up a tune, you never know how long it will live or what will happen to it or how you will change in the intervening years. I would love to know the stories [...] 50606 24 34_Re: [QUAR] Tavor Anthem-added Dror19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:08:55 -0500450_UTF-8 <>

sounds like a book waiting to be written.

lisa moshava

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> > The question is, how often does this kind of Scheisse happen?

This has been an ongoing issue for at least the past two-three years, probably longer, but it first got news coverage within that time frame. The issue is especially acute at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs for reasons that are particularly sui generis to that institution. (Much less of a problem, if a problem at all, at West Point and Annapolis.) Colorado Springs is not just the site [...] 50826 118 92_Fw: What Really Happened In The Middle East? Please WATCH and FORWARD to Everyone you know!!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:28:48 -0700853_iso-8859-1



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What Really Happened In The Middle East?

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----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Steve Klein Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Fw: Commentary











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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 51090 215 14_Re: new lyrics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:58:01 +0300412_us-ascii How about this: we keep Hatikva as our national anthem. Anyone here who isn't happy about that doesn't have to sing it. If they are really unhappy, they can move to Gaza.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:12 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: new lyrics [...] 51306 121 28_Re: new lyrics really really0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:10 -0400588_utf-8







How about this: we keep Hatikva as our national anthem. Anyone here who isn't happy about that doesn't have to sing it. If they are really unhappy, they can move to Gaza.

Â

Jon





I think everyone could sing this to the tune of Hatikvah.

Kol od b'levav p'nima Nefesh Adam Mishtokayk L 'osher v'sipook Babayit Baschoona Lafarnasa v'lasimcha Od lo avda Tikvataynoo Hatikva la-atid ha lo rachok L'chiot b'sheket B'artzaynu Shalom alyayich Yerushalyim L'chiot b'sheket B'artzaynu Shalom alyayich Yerushalyim [...] 51428 104 28_Re: new lyrics really really12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:50:04 +0300536_us-ascii Sam I want you to do something for me - two things actually. Go to a mirror. Give yourself a kiss. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: smfgrappa@AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:18 pm Subject: Re: new lyrics really really To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> > > > > How about this: we keep Hatikva as our national anthem. Anyone > here who isn't happy about that doesn't have to sing it. If they > are really unhappy, they can move to Gaza. > > > > Jon > > > > I think everyone could sing this to the tune [...] 51533 95 28_Re: new lyrics really really0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:22:43 EDT514_US-ASCII

In a message dated 06/19/2007 3:50:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes:

Sam I want you to do something for me - two things actually. Go to a mirror. Give yourself a kiss. Amnon



Thanks

I just kissed my hand. I am glad you don't think I am crazy. See all the time we spent getting rhymes and counting syllables may have paid off. Maybe we can get it typed in real Hebrew letters and who knows we can start a movement toward a new Hatikvah. [...] 51629 349 14_Re: new lyrics12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:47:45 +0300605_windows-1252 Jon, Feelings are a precious and volatile commodity. Theirs no less than ours. As a matter of fact a basic tennet of humanism posits that respect for our feelings and values hinges on our extending them to the other. Take the feelings of Southerners about the words of the Star Spangled Banner. In their narrative, Fort Sumter resembles the Palestinians Naqba. Shlomo Avineri (author of The Making of Modern Zionism, 1981) has said “ Every year, Palestinians including those who are Israeli citizens mark May 15 – our Yom Ha’atzmaut- as a day of national mourning, in remembrance of the [...] 51979 464 21_[QUAR] RE: new lyrics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:18:33 +0300555_us-ascii Sorry Amnon, when it comes to Zionism and Israel, I'm "old school" and not yet ready to disavow the role of Israel as Der Judenstaat in order to spare the feelings of the Arabs. History is full of tragedies and Israel was founded - although why you need reminding is beyond me - to prevent anymore mass acts of helplessness on our part. The Arabs had every chance on earth to accept our state and join in peacefully. Instead they reacted violently and got their Naqba. I am very sorry that this sort of post-Zionism has reared its head here [...] 52444 221 28_[QUAR] Another good man gone13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:05:03 +0300680_us-ascii Haaretz defense editor, veteran reporter Ze'ev Schiff dies at 74 By Amir Oren and Amos Harel , Haaretz Correspondents Ze'ev Schiff, the veteran military commentator and Haaretz defense editor, died Tuesday night in Tel Aviv. He was 74 years old.

To his many friends, Schiff was known as Wolfy. To his readers in Israel and the world, he was a brand name, a guarantee for reliable information and authoritative analysis. More than anything else, Schiff was the quintessential Israeli military correspondent. [...] 52666 121 25_Re: [QUAR] RE: new lyrics0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:27:00 EDT610_US-ASCII In a message dated 06/20/2007 7:16:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL writes:



In general, over the last few years, I think that there has been far too much emphasis in public discourse on sparing peoples' feelings. In a society with free speech, you have the right to be offended occasionally.

Jon



Jon seems to be inviting people to offend him. Now I know this is not very nice on Habonet, but I have been tempted to offended him because it was not politically correct. Is it now permitted to talk to Jon directly in a way that will not spare [...] 52788 349 14_Re: new lyrics11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:06:32 -0400326_windows-1252 What feelings by Southerns about the Star Spangled Banner? That it is unsingable?? It is sung more in the South than anywhere else.

It was written in 1814 and reflects the events at Fort Henry in Baltimore during the War of 1812. The South was with the North for that war. Secession occurred in 1861. [...] 53138 286 67_Fwd: WZO Student Dept Regional Director position available in Miami15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:02:24 -0400704_ISO-8859-1



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ofer Gutman (Hagshama) > Date: June 18, 2007 12:46:42 PM EDT > To: Nevets Grebniew > Subject: Regional Director position available in Miami > Reply-To: oferg@hagshama.org.il > > > > JOB OPENING AVAILABLE IN MIAMI! > > > > Southeast Regional Director > > > USD/Hagshama WZO Regional Director/ Israel Program Center > Coordinator: Miami > > > The Regional Director/Israel Program Coordinator promotes organized > Israel programs in their region. In addition, they are responsible > for bringing Israel and Zionist-related programming to college > campuses and communities in their region. They [...] 53425 651 19_Oops was new lyrics12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:39:07 +0300595_windows-1252 Jon and Judy "mkol melamdie hiskalti" I have learned from all who would teach me. I guess I have lived through too many wars.

Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Gelman Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 3:06 pm Subject: Re: new lyrics To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> What feelings by Southerns about the Star Spangled Banner? That > it is > unsingable?? It is sung more in the South than anywhere else. > > It was written in 1814 and reflects the events at Fort Henry in > Baltimore during the War of 1812. The South was with the North [...] 54077 436 14_Re: new lyrics11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:43:05 -0700609_Windows-1252 Amnon

I, like so many others, am having a hard time with the "menschlichkeit" involved with sympathy towards Palestinian Arabs' sorrow and pain and suffering. Like Abba Eban, it has seemed that the sorrow, pain and suffering has been largely self-inflicted. I am surprised that there aren't more people accusing us of the sorrow, pain and suffering now being perpetrated on the Arabs by the Arabs. When they aren't killing us, they are busy keeping in shape for it by killing each other. Lebanon. Sudan. Nazareth. Bethlehem. We are not the reason they kill each other. We are not the [...] 54514 688 25_Fw: BBC's All-Out Apology11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:47:41 -0700610_iso-8859-1

Unbelievable.

Steve



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Click here to see HonestReporting's latest appearances in the media. [...] 55203 70 14_Re: new lyrics11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:51:52 -0400650_us-ascii Steve,

Maybe because they are human? Maybe because not all or perhaps even a large majority engage in the activities you rightly decry?

Some of us have learned from stories about Pharoh hardening his heart.

But not all.

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:43:05 -0700 >From: Steve Klein >Subject: Re: new lyrics >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > Amnon > > I, like so many others, am having a hard time with > the "menschlichkeit" involved with sympathy towards > Palestinian Arabs' sorrow and pain and suffering. > Like Abba Eban, it has seemed that the [...] 55274 123 14_Re: new lyrics0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:12:34 EDT613_US-ASCII :

Steve,

Maybe because they are human? Maybe because not all or perhaps even a large majority engage in the activities you rightly decry?

Some of us have learned from stories about Pharoh hardening his heart.

But not all.

Noam

Noam This all started because we wanted an anthem that Arab Israelis could sing. How quickly it turns to we cannot be down with any Arabs because many of them hate us. But the one million Arabs living inside Israel proper have been relatively quiet and loyal to the state. If that changes we are in trouble. Nothing would empower [...] 55398 76 14_Re: new lyrics16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@MINDSPRING.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:59:35 -0700620_WINDOWS-1252 I didn't know Abba Eban was largely self inflicted — was this good for the Jews?

Linda



>> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:43:05 -0700 >> From: Steve Klein >> Subject: Re: new lyrics >> To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >> >> Amnon >> >> I, like so many others, am having a hard time with >> the "menschlichkeit" involved with sympathy towards >> Palestinian Arabs' sorrow and pain and suffering. >> Like Abba Eban, it has seemed that the sorrow, pain >> and suffering has been largely self-inflicted. I am >> surprised that there aren't more people accusing us >> of [...] 55475 202 17_God Save the King0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:10:45 -0400292_us-ascii

I must admit I have a problem with Hatikva and have had for many years. But more about this later.



I have been in refugee camps - more than a few. And while the slums of Cairo or Calcutta are worse, no child should ever have to grow up in a refugee camp. [...] 55678 104 14_Re: new lyrics11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:22:05 -0700475_Windows-1252 Linda

Thank you. That was a goof.

But yes, I think Abba Eban was good for the Jews. I hope so, at least. Everything seems so topsy-turvy lately. I never thought we'd be apologizing for the "Hatikvah". It makes me ill to think we've come to that.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hirschhorn" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Re: new lyrics [...] 55783 95 14_Re: new lyrics11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:28:15 -0700675_iso-8859-1 Noam

Well spoken.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: "Noam Stopak" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: new lyrics



> Steve, > > Maybe because they are human? Maybe because not all or perhaps even a > large majority engage in the activities you rightly decry? > > Some of us have learned from stories about Pharoh hardening his heart. > > But not all. > > Noam > > ---- Original message ---- >>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:43:05 -0700 >>From: Steve Klein >>Subject: Re: new lyrics >>To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >> >> Amnon [...] 55879 1023 51_Fw: Special Report: The Six Day War: Forty Years On11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:52:23 -0700574_iso-8859-1

Nothing new here; just reminders.

Steve



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Forty years have now passed since the "Six Day War" which resulted in Israeli control over the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank, East Jerusalem and Golan Heights. Some media reports already refer to the fortieth anniversary of the "occupation." [...] 56903 75 55_Re: Fw: Special Report: The Six Day War: Forty Years On11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:04:22 -0400622_us-ascii Steve,

Haven't read it all, but in a quick skim I noticed that this indicates the old city of Jerusalem was to be part of Israel as part of the 1948 partition plan. Wasn't Jerusalem supposed to be an international city, not part of Israel or Palestine?

Yours in "Honest Reporting"

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:52:23 -0700 >From: Steve Klein >Subject: Fw: Special Report: The Six Day War: Forty Years On >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > > Nothing new here; just reminders. > > Steve > > > Subject: Special Report: The Six Day [...] 56979 609 14_Re: new lyrics16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@MINDSPRING.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:57:57 -0700579_WINDOWS-1252 I didn't know Abba Eban was largely self inflicted — was this good for the Jews?

Linda

On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Steve Klein wrote:

> Amnon > > I, like so many others, am having a hard time with the > "menschlichkeit" involved with sympathy towards Palestinian Arabs' > sorrow and pain and suffering. Like Abba Eban, it has seemed that > the sorrow, pain and suffering has been largely self-inflicted. I > am surprised that there aren't more people accusing us of the > sorrow, pain and suffering now being perpetrated on the Arabs by > [...] 57589 456 14_Re: new lyrics13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:58:21 -0400578_windows-1252 They are citizens of the State of Israel, which is a democratic nation, and as such all the institutions of the state should include them and others who are citizens. Israel don't do it for "them"--it should do it because Israel is a modern democracy and to honor the prophetic tradition on which it and the Declaration of Independence is based. . You shall not oppress the stranger in your midst because you were a stranger in the Land of Egypt, and all that. Jewish institutions can use Hatikva but an anthem for a democratic state should be less particular [...] 58046 121 14_Re: new lyrics16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@MINDSPRING.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:03:01 -0700529_WINDOWS-1252 I agree with what others have said here- Hatikvah expresses the hopes of the Jewish people and as such excludes 'hager hagar b'tocham'. It should not be a 'national' anthem.- Linda On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Steve Klein wrote:

> Linda > > Thank you. That was a goof. > > But yes, I think Abba Eban was good for the Jews. I hope so, at > least. Everything seems so topsy-turvy lately. I never thought > we'd be apologizing for the "Hatikvah". It makes me ill to think > we've come to that. > > Steve > [...] 58168 42 14_Re: new lyrics13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:14:07 -0400522_windows-1252 > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Steve Klein wrote: > >> . I never thought we'd be apologizing for the "Hatikvah". It makes >> me ill to think we've come to that. >> >> Steve > > Dear Steve,

When I first heard this about 10 years ago from an Israeli Arab professor at Haifa University, I also struck me as too PC to consider , ridiculous and insulting to the Jewish people. But in the intervening years, I have thought about it each time I've sung HaTikva and I came to see that it expresses the [...] 58211 64 14_Re: new lyrics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:33:35 +0300388_us-ascii On second thought, perhaps we could settle for a song that's more fun to sing. "Like A Rolling Stone" comes to mind. Or maybe "Sugar Magnolia."

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judith Gelman Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:14 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: new lyrics [...] 58276 116 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:01:54 -0700575_iso-8859-1 You all seem to forget that just a short time ago, the remnants of Auschwitz were heard singing "Hatikvah" in a recording which circulated on the net...and was extremely moving....and that this State was founded on their suffering and in the hopes that that kind of inhumanity would never happen again....The Star Spangled Banner, and "La Marseillaise" have not been changed to be "PC to accommodate the Native Americans, or the plethora of Muslims in France...I have to side with Jon and Steve on this one--sue --- Jonathan Baum wrote: [...] 58393 62 14_Re: new lyrics11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:09:13 -0400655_us-ascii Don't think twice, it's alright

---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:33:35 +0300 >From: Jonathan Baum >Subject: Re: new lyrics >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > >On second thought, perhaps we could settle for a song that's more fun to >sing. "Like A Rolling Stone" comes to mind. Or maybe "Sugar Magnolia." > >Jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On >Behalf Of Judith Gelman >Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:14 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: new lyrics > > >> >> On Jun 20, 2007, at 11:22 AM, Steve Klein wrote: >> >>> . [...] 58456 38 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:11:55 -0400655_us-ascii ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:01:54 -0700 >From: Sue Liberman >Subject: Re: new lyrics-just a small thing >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > >You all seem to forget that just a short time ago, the >remnants of Auschwitz were heard singing "Hatikvah" in >a recording which circulated on the net...and was >extremely moving....and that this State was founded on >their suffering and in the hopes that that kind of >inhumanity would never happen again....The Star >Spangled Banner, and "La Marseillaise" have not been >changed to be "PC to accommodate the Native Americans, >or the plethora of Muslims in [...] 58495 107 14_Re: new lyrics11_Batel Libes23_batel_libes@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:17:42 +0000649_- I actually vote for Ripple and not Sugar Magnolia, or maybe Fire on the Mountain?

Batel (who can't help to input on the Dead thing, but thinks the subject is really important)

-------------- Original message -------------- From: Jonathan Baum

> On second thought, perhaps we could settle for a song that's more fun to > sing. "Like A Rolling Stone" comes to mind. Or maybe "Sugar Magnolia." > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On > Behalf Of Judith Gelman > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:14 PM > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 58603 1702 51_Tony Soprano for European Jewish Congress President16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:33:22 -04001047_us-ascii



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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 60306 128 14_Re: new lyrics11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:34:59 -0400591_us-ascii How about "Friend of the Devil"? Or since it is the dry season, "Box of Rain"?

Such a long long time to be gone and a short time to be there

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:17:42 +0000 >From: Batel Libes >Subject: Re: new lyrics >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > I actually vote for Ripple and not Sugar Magnolia, > or maybe Fire on the Mountain? > > Batel (who can't help to input on the Dead thing, > but thinks the subject is really important) > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [...] 60435 117 51_Re: Special Report: The Six Day War: Forty Years On0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:35:38 -0400640_us-ascii











Steve,

Haven't read it all, but in a quick skim I noticed that this indicates the old city of Jerusalem was to be part of Israel as part of the 1948 partition plan. Wasn't Jerusalem supposed to be an international city, not part of Israel or Palestine?

Yours in "Honest Reporting"



Hey Noam The partition plan was done by the UN in 1947 and definately made Jerusalem an international city. The Arab legion laid siege to it anyway. Israeli forces were able to relieve the city by building a bypass road around Latrun based on the fact that the Tanach [...] 60553 105 14_Re: new lyrics0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:48:15 -0400589_utf-8



They are citizens of the State of Israel, which is a democratic nation, and as such all the institutions of the state should include them and others who are citizens. Israel don't do it for "them"--it should do it because Israel is a modern democracy and to honor the prophetic tradition on which it and the Declaration of Independence is based. . You shall not oppress the stranger in your midst because you were a stranger in the Land of Egypt, and all that. Jewish institutions can use Hatikva but an anthem for a democratic state should be less particular [...] 60659 62 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.13_Steve Hancoff12_SHX2@AOL.COM29_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:48:04 EDT361_US-ASCII sorry to bring this up again (normk-'is it safe to come out again??') but ive been away for a while and just caught up with habonet ....

i betcha rami peles (z"l) had something to do with the writing of the machaneh tavor song... if you mention mike zurakoff, how could you not mention rami in the same breath... whadya think? beth troy... [...] 60722 82 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:16:01 -0700329_iso-8859-1 The State of Israel was declared because of the guilt of the west after reports of the Exodus were publicized, etc etc....You might want to deny this- but the UN had its vote because of the Holocaust publicity....Most people, including the Arab population, don't deny this--even though you might want to!==suesue [...] 60805 131 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing11_Paul Caplan25_Paul.Caplan@CYGNUSB2B.COM31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:25:04 -0500403_us-ascii Just to weigh in with my two cents --

For anyone to deny that the State of Israel is a Jewish state -- founded, fought for, died for and perpetuating -- for the benefit and security of the Jewish people is ludicrous.

Hatikvah is a symbol of that hope and IT IS ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE. Not for the Arab citizens that choose to live there -- and they do choose to live there. [...] 60937 156 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:51:31 +0300470_us-ascii Well said Paul, we see eye to eye on this.

If you have a moment, could you please get in touch with me off-list? I'd like to find out more about your firm.

Jon Baum Kibbutz Sasa Israel jonbaum@ksasa.co.il

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Paul Caplan Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:25 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: new lyrics-just a small thing [...] 61094 189 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing0_14_LHIAM1@AOL.COM29_Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:12:48 EDT544_US-ASCII Sue, Steve et. al.

Hatikvah was created NOT as the National Anthem of the State of Israel but as the Zionist Anthem. Just as the goals of Zionism must evolve now that the State has been created so must our National Anthem reflect a new reality. This is NOT a Post Zionist thought it is a realistic one. We must transition from our having created a state for the ingathering of the exiles to having a state that reflects the kind of society we want to live in. For me a Jewish state stops being Jewish if it doesn't provide [...] 61284 112 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:39:00 +0200290_iso-8859-1 Beth, sorry I didn't mention Rami, but I thought that Mike Z would be a better resource for Tavor trivia. If I remember correctly, Mike said that his dad was the one who bought the place and he (Mike) was the original Bayit Brat (something that he still has not outgrown!). [...] 61397 186 33_Re: new lyrics-just a small thing12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:05:12 +0300567_us-ascii Hiam What a treat to have you back. I do have two small quibbles about "just a small thing" what you asses as smaller battles. This from a guy who never got higher than sergeant. You wrote about what you call smaller battles. Always ask your intelligence to make an accurate appraisal of how decisive a stake the enemy has in capturing or hanging on to a specific objective. Also about the reserves they will throw into the fight. Both the Orthodox schools and Jewish real-estate blocs have shock/schlock units who will fight you to the death so as not [...] 61584 186 6_Lyrics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:14:36 +0300603_us-ascii This person, whose blog comment I found, expresses my feelings on the whole Israeli National Anthem question. She is responding to a post about Raleb Majadele's refusal to sing Hatikva.

Jon



Submitted by Zivia, Jun 1, 2007 at 06:45

Raleb Majadele is right, Hatikva - Israel's national anthem - was written only for Jews. I can see how Israeli Arabs would not feel inclined to recite it. It certainly doesn't make them feel included as part of the country. All I ask is that a non-Jew stand (like Mr. Majadele does) out of respect when Hatikva is recited. As an [...] 61771 156 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.0_13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:17:12 -0400574_us-ascii

Sorry, Bethie, but neither Mike Zurakov nor Rami Peles (nee Roger Pelowski) had anything to do with the Tavor song. It was Sam? Flesher all the way.

Aliya













-----Original Message----- From: Steve Hancoff To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:48 pm Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.

















sorry to bring this up again (normk-'is it safe to come out again??') but ive been away for a while and [...] 61928 644 57_Rafah's Subterranean Tunnel City: The Gateway to Hamastan13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:17:51 +0300678_us-ascii

Rafah's Subterranean Tunnel City: The Gateway to Hamastan



By David Eshel

By seizing the so-called "Philadelphi" route along the Gaza- Egyptian international borderline, Hamas has finally taken full control of all exits and border crossings into the Gaza Strip- where they are about to create an Islamic Fundamentalist Hamastan.

Israel is highly concerned from the flow of Iranian originating weapons and munitions into Gaza through the underground tunnels under the Philadelphi line that was abandoned by Israel two years ago. That will make Gaza the terror empire of the Middle East under Iranian-Syrian, or al Qaeda control. [...] 62573 162 27_Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:21:07 +0300600_windows-1252 Steve You wrote that “ I, like so many others, am having a hard time with the "" involved with sympathy towards Palestinian Arabs' sorrow and pain and suffering.” But I think that the whole point of menschlichkeit is that like a blanket it has to cover everybody in the bed who is cold. Never mind if you like their music, gestalt, food or building style. Menschlichkeit is not like induction of candidates into a fraternity where you can blackball anyone. Everybody on campus is eligible for menschlich treatment. The fact that Palestinian terrorists murder children is a fact but [...] 62736 431 32_Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true.5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:03:15 +0200482_windows-1255 Sorry Aliya but-you missed part of something here-Beth and Dave were referring to the Midwest Camp song –not the Tavor one-(that issue has been settled and credit given where credit is due)And as for YOU Norm-eat your heart out!

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of sc523@AOL.COM Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:17 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Tavor Anthem - its all true. [...] 63168 297 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:39:10 -0700322_Windows-1252 Amnon

You seem to sense a lot of things that are not there. One of the more insulting of your accusations is the glee that you imagine I take with each atrocity the murderers among them commit. I also find it difficult, even now, that they have their apologists.

Amnon- I am not the enemy. [...] 63466 144 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:49:24 -0400595_UTF-8 Steve,

It seems to me that you sense a lot of things that aren't there. I find that you are consistently insulting and dismissive of others. Most of us feel an obligation to civility that you no longer do. We are not the enemy. Please take it offline.

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:39:10 -0700 >From: Steve Klein >Subject: Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > Amnon > > You seem to sense a lot of things that are not > there. One of the more insulting of your > accusations is the [...] 63611 139 56_Fw: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:49:27 -0700588_iso-8859-1

For my fellow Californian drivers:

Steve

Subject: FW: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!



> > New California Laws effective 7/1/07 > >New Driving Fines for 2007 > > > >1. Carpool lane - 1st time $1068.50 starting 7/1/07 > >(The $271 posted > >on the highway is old). Don't do it again because 2nd > >time is going to be > >double. 3rd time triple, and 4th time license > >suspended. > > > >2. Incorrect lane change - $380. Don't cross the lane > >on solid lines or intersections. > > > >3. Block intersection - $485 > [...] 63751 166 56_Re: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:50:23 -0700650_iso-8859-1 nk ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Fw: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!





For my fellow Californian drivers:

Steve

Subject: FW: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!



> > New California Laws effective 7/1/07 > >New Driving Fines for 2007 > > > >1. Carpool lane - 1st time $1068.50 starting 7/1/07 > >(The $271 posted > >on the highway is old). Don't do it again because 2nd > >time is going to be > >double. 3rd time triple, and 4th time license > >suspended. > > > [...] 63918 175 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:27:43 -0700414_utf-8 Noam

All I have EVER done is hit the reply button, both literally and figuratively. If someone wants a verbal slugfest offline, let them insult me offline in the first place. How in the world is it OK for some to attack and insult online and not for others? Noam, admonish both parties and that makes sense. Address this just to me, and it smells of favoritism. But then, what is new about that? [...] 64094 197 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:46:37 -0400320_UTF-8 Steve,

Seems to me you are the one who started this round. I call them like I see them. You are free to do the same. I think that when I write on this subject I am straightforward while I find you are consistently snide. Others have expressed that view both on and off list. Take it for what you will. [...] 64292 247 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Paul Caplan25_Paul.Caplan@CYGNUSB2B.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:51:16 -0500498_us-ascii Nothing worse than two Jews fighting on a public email address. You each know the others email addresses. Can we ask that you please direct your individual diatribes to each other directly and spare all the rest of us?

Paul S. Caplan, Vice President, Interactive Sales Publisher, SecurityInfoWatch.com

Cygnus Interactive - Georgia 100 Colony Park Drive, Suite 203 Cumming, GA 30040 (O) 770-886-0800, ext. 223 (M) 404-966-8233 (F) 770-889-7703 paul@securityinfowatch.com [...] 64540 146 9_Statehood11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:12:25 -0700379_iso-8859-1 LHIAM

You wrote:

"If there had not been a holocaust do you believe that we would not have had a right to a state? Of course not our right to self determination has nothing to do with "what the goyim think." The creation of the State was not the result of our Nakba and saying so simply makes an excuse for whatever tragidies we inflict on others.)" [...] 64687 230 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:15:45 -0700431_utf-8 Shabbat Shalom

Steve

PS You would be doing a service to humanity (and to me, because I am obviously blind to it), by showing me how or where I started this round. Thanks.

It can be after the Sabbath.





----- Original Message ----- From: "Noam Stopak" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah [...] 64918 270 31_Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:16:45 -0700677_iso-8859-1 Gladly!

Steve

Shabbat Shalom



----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Caplan" To: Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Menschlichkeit and Hatikvah



> Nothing worse than two Jews fighting on a public email address. You each > know the others email addresses. Can we ask that you please direct your > individual diatribes to each other directly and spare all the rest of > us? > > Paul S. Caplan, > Vice President, Interactive Sales > Publisher, SecurityInfoWatch.com > > Cygnus Interactive - Georgia > 100 Colony Park Drive, Suite 203 > Cumming, GA 30040 > [...] 65189 43 23_Re: service to humanity11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:03:40 -0400325_us-ascii Steve,

As an alternate exercise, if you are indeed interested rather than just yanking my chain, consider visiting the archives and reviewing the many messages you have sent that have provoked similar responses from a wide range of habonet subscribers to see if you are really blind or merely in denial. [...] 65233 87 18_Fwd: Re: Statehood11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:07:32 -0400434_us-ascii



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I see you are having fun again, feeling free to insult me in public. One of us has to take the high road- so I am inviting you to send this same message to me offline.

To the rest of you long-sufferers out there- Goodby from NOAM AND STEVE!

Noam, please come offline! [...] 65528 85 11_Dumbfounded11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:42:43 -0700387_iso-8859-1 Noam wrote:

"Taking a step back, I'm wondering - are you saying that the Holocaust was good for the Jews?

Noam"

As I was totally taken aback by this, I admit I have no responce, for once. I don't think I wish to comment (I'll just allow myself to become ill).



Steve

PS Noam

This is one you may want to keep this offline. [...] 65614 346 56_Re: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:45:50 -0700660_iso-8859-1 Sorry

A lawyer sent this to me, so I naively trusted. I will get back to you on the veracity.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalind Barland To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: Re: New California Driving Fines for 2007..........OUCH!



Fines - URBAN LEGEND > > > > The "New CA Driving Laws" is not true, just a > hoax. > > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_california_traffic_laws_2007.htm > If you ever wonder if something you read is true, > google it. Your first hit will either be on the > Urban Legend website or Snopes.com, two very > reliable [...] 65961 365 25_lyrics-just a small thing11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:47:12 -0700354_iso-8859-1

:

Please answer me this one:

How much accomodation can the Jews come up with to sate the sensitivities of the Arab-in-the-street? Sure, let's change the national anthem (or what is now being described as sort of a naive Zionist campfire ditty) to something less offensive. Way less offensive. How about meaningless? [...] 66327 615 58_Israel: Like this, as if - A question remembered from 196716_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:45:53 -0400803_UTF-8

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A question remembered from 1967

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/sports/baseball/24israel.html?ref=baseball

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Read all about it straight from the source

The manager of the Modi'in Miracle is former MLB Art Shamsky, who tied a record with four consecutive home runs - I was at the game in 1966 in Crosley Field in Cincinnati when Art hit the first three of those four homers! [...] 77184 106 23_Re: Baseball in Israel!0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:38:25 -0400694_us-ascii

I was at the game tonight

A lot of fun but very hot.

Avi



-----Original Message----- From: beverlyraynor@SPIRITONE.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 6:12 am Subject: Baseball in Israel!







This just in from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/sports/baseball/24israel.html?ref=baseball

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Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: jlcaa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: Baseball in Israel!



I was at the game tonight A lot of fun but very hot. Avi [...] 77477 61 23_Re: Baseball in Israel!14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:33:37 +0200648_windows-1255 Is this Ryan related to the Braun family from Chicago? Peter, Jacob, etc.......

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Eli Barland" To: Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Baseball in Israel!



> Dave, > Funny you should mention Art Shamsky. Just this morning Art was > mentioned in an article in The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. The article is > about Ryan Braun, a hot prospect/budding star recently called up by the > Brewers. Braun is the highest drafted Jewish player in 40 years and is > currently hitting .327. He is a candidate for [...] 77539 124 23_Re: Baseball in Israel!13_avi rosenberg17_avir673@GMAIL.COM31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:39:51 +0300315_ISO-8859-1 We were also at the game tonight. It was very exciting. Our son, Nate, even got up as a designated hitter, towards the end of the game. There's a nice little English/Hebrew clip at: http://www.one.co.il on the left side-middle part of the browser. Tomorrow is the first game at Gezer. Avi Rosenberg [...] 77664 78 23_Re: Baseball in Israel!17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:44:49 -0500573_windows-1255 I don't know if he is related to Pete & Jacob. Someone out there ask Pete when next you see him. Rozzie?* (*By the way - Alan & Rozzie have left Milwaukee & returned to Israel.)

Holtzer Family wrote: > Is this Ryan related to the Braun family from Chicago? Peter, Jacob, > etc....... > > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Eli Barland" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: Baseball in Israel! > > >> Dave, >> Funny you should mention Art Shamsky. Just this morning [...] 77743 90 34_Re: Baseball in Israel!-from susie12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:36:17 -0700713_iso-8859-1 Avi--I leave tomorrow night back to the states--where are you?? Call me- 052-601-4122...Saw Al and Rozzie on shabbat!.... suz



--- jlcaa@AOL.COM wrote:

> > I was at the game tonight > > A lot of fun but very hot. > > Avi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beverlyraynor@SPIRITONE.COM > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 6:12 am > Subject: Baseball in Israel! > > > > > This just in from the NY Times: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/sports/baseball/24israel.html?ref=baseball > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a [...] 77834 90 34_Re: Baseball in Israel!-from susie12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:36:59 -0700713_iso-8859-1 Avi--I leave tomorrow night back to the states--where are you?? Call me- 052-601-4122...Saw Al and Rozzie on shabbat!.... suz



--- jlcaa@AOL.COM wrote:

> > I was at the game tonight > > A lot of fun but very hot. > > Avi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: beverlyraynor@SPIRITONE.COM > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 6:12 am > Subject: Baseball in Israel! > > > > > This just in from the NY Times: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/24/sports/baseball/24israel.html?ref=baseball > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a [...] 77925 327 43_Bush Pledges Hike in Military Aid to Israel13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:52:56 +03001059_us-ascii Bush Pledges Hike in Military Aid to Israel

By BARBARA OPALL-ROME , TEL AVIV



Just days after Iranian- and Syrian-backed Hamas fighters imposed full control over the Gaza Strip, U.S. President George W. Bush promised his Israeli counterpart a 10-year military aid hike to help it handle new regional threats. Israel is seeking an additional $50 million to $60 million each year, which would raise total U.S. military grant aid from $2.4 billion in 2008 to nearly $3 billion by 2018. Nicholas Burns, U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs, will [...] 78253 138 32_We've replaced Rushdie in hiding13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:57:14 +0300609_iso-8859-1 We've replaced Rushdie in hiding MARK STEYN Syndicated columnist



A year or so after the Ayatollah Khomeini took out an Islamist mob contract on Salman Rushdie in 1989, the novelist appeared, after elaborate security arrangements, on a television arts show in London. His host was Melvyn Bragg, a longtime British telly grandee, and what was striking was how quickly the interview settled down into the usual cozy, literary chit-chat. Lord Bragg took Rushdie back to his earlier pre-fatwa work. "After your first book," drawled Bragg, "which was not particularly well-received." [...] 78392 43 6_ISO...10_sefi dover19_sefidover@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:59:32 -0700350_iso-8859-1 Mike Baum, chaniach/madriach at Galil during the 70's, alumnus of MB '72 (or was it '73?). Would also love to hear from anyone else who used to chill in the MB moadon at night drinkin', smokin' and playin' pooch. Eric, Chip, Rubo, Jono, Joey Fischer (either one), Dan, Liz, etc. (not Phweepez tho, that would be too weird) Lil Sprech [...] 78436 314 36_HaAretz - With friends like these...16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:37:37 -0400673_us-ascii

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With friends like these...

By Akiva Eldar

Heavy clouds will float over today's summit in sunny Sharm el-Sheikh. The Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza, Jordan and Egypt will be hovering above the four leaders participating in the talks, as will the zealots of worldwide jihad. Iran and Hezbollah will be with them on the other side, while the extreme right-wing national religious camp awaits in the corner. It is hard to say which of the leaders' chairs is shakiest [...] 78751 87 40_Re: HaAretz - With friends like these...0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:25:07 -0400614_utf-8 Elihu. Thanks for posting this. I highlighted the parts that grabbed me.

Sam

And who isn't coming to this sad party? The United States, the superpower with the lion's share of responsibility for the deteriorating situation in the Middle East. Who stayed home? President George W. Bush, the one whose semi-hallucinatory dream of democratization has become a genuine reality of anarchy; whose adopted vision of two states - Israel and Palestine - has become during his tenure a distant dream. It is difficult to think of an American president who has caused more damage to Israeli interests [...] 78839 807 27_TNR - The End of Palestine?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:31:04 -0400645_us-ascii The New Republic Online



IS THIS THE END OF PALESTINE?



Last Act

by Martin Peretz Post date: 06.25.07 Issue date: 07.02.07

Think back two years. Ariel Sharon was not only alive but healthy and staking his place in history on an idea he had never truly believed: that the Arabs of Palestine might be ready for peace with the Jewish state. This idea may have run against both his deepest convictions and his basic instincts. But somehow he carried many of his old comrades with him: comrades from Israel's old wars and comrades from the political right--where, after a [...] 79647 21 34_Re: Baseball in Israel!-from susie0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM31_Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:55:28 -0400548_iso-8859-1 Sorry Sue: I'm at Nof Ginosar - at least tonight. Tomorrow back to Jerusalem. I'm baby sitting a group of labor leaders on a "warts and all" tour. I'm running these guys ragged around the country. Doubt well see each other this trip. Avi

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Ezra = ezrox@aol.com

Olivia = oliviajoly@gmail.com

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I ran it through a filter to make it look like a homemade 1960s film. YouTube, unfortunately, doesn't do it justice because of how it was converted when put on YouTube (and for some reason, YouTube didn't seem to like it until I put this on at 15 fps instead of the standard 29.97). Still, it's watchable and fun. [...] 79978 2286 27_WSJ - Soft Israeli Defenses16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:28:36 -040024956_ISO-8859-1 Search Results for Selected Items Search Results for Selected It... No articles match your search criteria. Please try again. More results > Turn this feature OFF.



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TEL AVIV BUBBLE As Israel Prospers, Some Fear Its Defenses May Grow Soft

Blaming Materialism For Lebanon Stalemate; Zionism Meets Feng Shui By PETER WALDMAN June 26, 2007; Page A1 [...] 82265 71 54_Re: Ezra & Olivia Jerusalem wedding - 8 minute version12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:47:38 +0300803_us-ascii Steve Shalom, Who are Ezra and Olivia? Amnon



----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Weinberg Date: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 5:15 am Subject: Ezra & Olivia Jerusalem wedding - 8 minute version To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz7piVFUrh4 > > Ezra = ezrox@aol.com > > Olivia = oliviajoly@gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > For other options go to: http://listserv.SHAMASH.ORG/ [...] 82337 77 54_Re: Ezra & Olivia Jerusalem wedding - 8 minute version11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM29_Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:44:44 EDT536_US-ASCII Shalom Amnon, I sent you a note last week and realixed it didn't go thru to you. I still have not conquored the computer. Sometimes I feel that this computer has conquored me. Anyhow, what I said to you was (after reading the email that said they didn't need your lectures). I for one enjoy anything you send because it gives me a nice insight into what is going on in Israel. I need this to keep up to date. Most of the time,. I am so inviolved with mental health and mental retardation & of course the Democratic party, [...] 82415 37 37_Re: Place to stay in NYCity in August0_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:17:37 -0400 82453 22 7_Hamutal9_Jim Toben17_jrtoben@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:24:53 -0400533_iso-8859-1 I still haven't come down to earth from my youngest daughter's marriage to Ariel Mor at Banna Beach opposite the kibbutz. It took place on June 18, and everyone greatly enjoyed it. Best wishes to all Habonetters. Jim Toben

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> I still haven't come down to earth from my youngest daughter's > marriage to > Ariel Mor at Banna Beach opposite the kibbutz. It took place on > June 18, and > everyone greatly enjoyed it. Best wishes to all Habonetters. > Jim Toben > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses [...] 82523 728 20_TNR - Who Lost Gaza?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:29:21 -0400667_us-ascii The New Republic Online Who Lost Gaza? by the Editors Post date: 06.27.07 Issue date: 07.02.07

A great debate has already begun on the subject of who lost Gaza. Increasingly, one hears that the Israelis did, or the Americans did; that the disaster is the consequence of Israeli policies or American policies, of Israeli harshness and American indifference. It is necessary to insist, therefore, that the primary responsibility for Palestinian actions falls on Palestinians. To believe the opposite is to hold a condescending imperialist view of the Palestinians as the passive objects of others; as nothing but the wretched [...] 83252 23 18_Baseball in Israel0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:17:40 -0700347_utf-8 According to a very reliable source NBC will be at the game being played at Gezer this evening. It is supposed to be on the nightly news so it may just be a few minutes but still this is pretty cool.

Of special note, please look for the youngest player in the league, Nate Rosenberg, son of 20th Workshop graduate Avi Rosenberg. [...] 83276 59 11_Re: Hamutal0_18_Green88888@AOL.COM29_Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:10:51 EDT606_US-ASCII Mazal Tov, Jim! All the best to you and your family! Donna (Weisbrod) Greenberg





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Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Baseball in Israel [...] 83384 748 29_Forward - Is Camp Fun Enough?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:09:59 -0400460_ISO-8859-1

As Kids Head to Camp, Parents Ask If They're Having Enough Fun

Rebecca Spence | Wed. Jun 27, 2007

At Camp Ramah in the Berkshires, Jewish campers wake up every morning at 7:30 and daven the morning prayers. After some swimming or maybe a Frisbee game, the older kids can, if they want, daven again in the afternoon. And at the end of a day that includes a 45-minute Judaic learning session, well, they can... daven again. [...] 84133 570 36_Forward - Let My People Go to Israel16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:17:32 -0400628_ISO-8859-1

Let My People Go Up to Israel Opinion David Chinitz | Wed. Jun 27, 2007

There is a Jewish conspiracy at work. It is not the one portrayed in the pernicious "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." It is not Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Holocaust hoax, or a Zionist plot to undermine Islam. Nor is it Jewish control of the media or the world economy as Jihadists, Ku Klux Klanners, neo-Nazi skinheads and Mel Gibson conjure up for themselves. It is not even the so-called apartheid security wall that so inflames Britain's self-righteous, hypocritical, antisemitic academics and labor unions. [...] 84704 865 38_Forward - The Dilemmas of Jewish Power16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:45:48 -0400664_ISO-8859-1

Bintel Brief: Rabbi Irwin Kula on Israel and the Dilemmas of Jewish Power

Posted by Rabbi Irwin Kula, June 25, 2007, 1:27 pm

Rabbi Kula

Hello Rabbi,

I am a convert to Judaism, or Jew-by-choice. Many elements contributed to my decision to join a synagogue and go to the mikveh.

Of course, my wife, her family, our children together and the rabbis I've learned from are significant drivers of my decision. Our commitment to family and community, our faith in the oneness of God, our value of learning and our pursuit of justice are Jewish values I embrace. [...] 85570 257 35_Bush Cites Israel As Model for Iraq17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:39:21 -0500383_ISO-8859-1 *Bush Cites Israel As Model for Iraq* By JENNIFER LOVEN 06.28.07, 6:05 PM ET http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/06/28/ap3869339.html

President Bush held up Israel as a model for defining success in Iraq, saying Thursday that the goal of the U.S. mission there is not eliminating attacks but enabling a democracy that can function despite continuing violence. [...] 85828 1069 51_Sitting on the Levis was Let My People Go to Israel12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:37:15 +0300411_windows-1252 Elihu You really eat into my time. You sent this excellent article (meaning thought provoking piece - also meaning that it states some of my own thinking). Then I found another article by David Chinitz dealing with the Holocaust. Between them we could find material for a virtual seminar on a contemporary Habonim seminar on where we stand or sit today – or ought to. Sitting on the Holocaust [...] 86898 58 23_contact info for Hillel5_aviva21_aviva5675@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:24:35 -0500470_iso-8859-1 My brother Mitch Sherman is looking for current contact info on Hillel Rzepka. If anyone has any please contact me off list, thanks!

Aviva Sherman Boggs

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aviva wrote:

> My brother Mitch Sherman is looking for current contact info on Hillel > Rzepka. If anyone has any please contact me off list, thanks! > > Aviva Sherman Boggs > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network > , a service of Hebrew College > , which offers online courses and an online > MA in Jewish Studies . > > To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > > For other options [...] 87054 67 45_Bush says Israel should be the model for Iraq16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:10:56 -0400365_us-ascii

Great idea. The first thing the Iraquis should do is elect a Jewish prime minister. The next thing would be to make sure all army personnel are Jewish as well as the officers of all their major corporations. Finally, they should promote tourism by advertising naked Iraqui women in Maxim. You gotta love this President--he is always thinking. [...] 87122 110 49_Re: Bush says Israel should be the model for Iraq14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:23:59 +0200649_iso-8859-1 You almost forgot having Jewish President charged with rape, and throw in a few Ministers, too, for good measure.....

Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Bush says Israel should be the model for Iraq







Great idea. The first thing the Iraquis should do is elect a Jewish prime minister. The next thing would be to make sure all army personnel are Jewish as well as the officers of all their major corporations. Finally, they should promote tourism by advertising naked Iraqui women in Maxim. You gotta love [...] 87233 31 38_A story from ynet has been sent to you5_Susie20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:58:53 +0300 87265 88 17_Today's Newspaper11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:02:20 -0700329_iso-8859-1 It is without glee, but with much disgust that I report an article in today's LA Times. The article concerns the final episode of "Farfour", which is a kiddie program for Arab children with a Mickey Mouse look-alike as the hero, and the horrible Israelis as the bad guys. It is broadcast from Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas). [...]