1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet April 2007 2 225 34_Re: another pesah inconvenience...13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@NYCAP.RR.COM30_Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:05:17 -0400570_us-ascii Habonetes, According to my Rabbi there are only 2 types of kosher for passover gas. 1. Ashkenazi, eating kosher for passover food for 6 or more days in a row. 2. Sephardi, eating beans for all of passover.

kosher or not Hag pesach sameach. Dan Bernstein

Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> In the "can you believe this nonsense?" department... > Just in case any of you missed it...... > > > > Bergen County Jewish Times > Teaneck, New Jersey > March 1, 2007 > > Yaniv Ben-Zaken, a local gas station owner, will be selling Kosher for > Passover [...] 228 265 34_Re: another pesah inconvenience...12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:10:13 +0300582_us-ascii Dan, Your Rabbi is a gasser. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bernstein Date: Sunday, April 1, 2007 5:13 pm Subject: Re: another pesah inconvenience... To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Habonetes, > According to my Rabbi there are only 2 types of kosher for > passover gas. > 1. Ashkenazi, eating kosher for passover food for 6 or more days > in a row. > 2. Sephardi, eating beans for all of passover. > > kosher or not Hag pesach sameach. > Dan Bernstein > > Elihu D. Davison wrote: > > > In the "can you believe this nonsense?" [...] 494 82 44_Seder prayer for Israel's kidnapped soldiers16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:51:18 -0700563_iso-8859-1 http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ ShowFull&cid=1173879200864 Full article... (English)

"For the sake of Your Holy Name, may our prayer and request be accepted with mercy and favor, and may our supplication come before You, to show mercy and loving kindness for our captives and missing soldiers: Ehud ben Malka Goldwasser; Eldad ben Tova Regev; Gilad ben Aviva Schalit; Guy ben Rina Hever; Zecharia Shlomo ben Miriam Baumel; Yekutiel Yehudah Nachman ben Sarah Katz; Zvi ben Pnina Feldman; Ron ben Batya Arad. [...] 577 71 21_Who let the Jews out?13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:25:59 +0300539_us-ascii Chag Sameach and a kosher Pesach to you all.

Jon

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Newsweek.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Girls: Israel's racy new PR strategy Israel flirts with a racy new public-relations strategy. By Kevin Peraino Newsweek

April 9, 2007 issue - Jim Malucci has two tattoos, one on each bulging bicep. On the left one, the photographer for Maxim magazine has etched an image of a seductively dressed pinup; on the right, he has stenciled the words GO WITH GOD in Portuguese. He leans on his left arm and points his camera at a model in a bikini on the Tel Aviv beachfront. "That's hot, that's wicked," says Malucci, as the model shifts [...] 937 275 48_Re: Seder prayer for Israel's kidnapped soldiers0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:08:19 -0400338_us-ascii If you would like to include a section for the abducted soldiers at your seder, this link will take you to material developed by the American Zionist Movement that prints out into a nice one pager that you can copy and share with your participants. I think some might find it more meaningful than the chief rabbi's version. [...] 1213 153 48_Re: Seder prayer for Israel's kidnapped soldiers12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:36:27 +0300601_us-ascii Thank god for your sensitivity Ken. I was beginning to wonder what happened chag sameach Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM Date: Monday, April 2, 2007 4:15 pm Subject: Re: Seder prayer for Israel's kidnapped soldiers To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> If you would like to include a section for the abducted soldiers > at your seder, this link will take you to material developed by > the American Zionist Movement that prints out into a nice one > pager that you can copy and share with your participants. I think > some might find it more meaningful than the chief [...] 1367 255 54_Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:15:21 +0300634_us-ascii

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims

By LAURA CLARK - More by this author > Last updated at 11:58am on 2nd April 2007

Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Government backed study has revealed.

It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial. [...] 1623 230 58_Re: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:19:08 +0000460_us-ascii As my friend Bruno would say... that gets a big NOW PLEASE!

Now I would like to know... how is Holocaust denial inherently part of (religious) Muslim beliefs? Did it happen the same way that global warming denial somehow became a religious Christian belief?

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum Date: Monday, April 2, 2007 11:18 am Subject: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 1854 42 32_Fw: Article recommended by Steve11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:35:28 -0700564_iso-8859-1 > > > >> I thought that the following article would be of interest to you: >> >> Israel's Audiodent invents hearing aid for the mouth >> >> To view it, click on: >> >> http://www.israel21c.org/link.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l1600&enZone=Technology >> >> >> >> This service is provided by ISRAEL21c (http://www.israel21c.org), a >> unique source of news, views, and information about Israel "beyond the >> conflict." >> >> ISRAEL21c adheres to a strict privacy policy and will not make any >> supplied information available to third parties. >> >> > > [...] 1897 189 58_Re: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:48:01 -0700601_iso-8859-1 When they came for the scientist, I did not speak, for I am not a scientist. When they came for the historians, I did not speak, because I wasn't an historian. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, April 2, 2007 8:15:21 AM Subject: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims By LAURA CLARK - More by this author Last updated at 11:58am on 2nd April 2007 Schools are dropping the [...] 2087 180 58_Re: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:52:04 -0700448_ascii There are plenty of religious Christians who accept the veracity and emergency of global warming (there is a strong Christian environmental movement). There are probably plenty of Muslims who accept the historical fact of the holocaust, too. Just because something is taught at a mosque doesn't mean every member believes it. How many Catholics practice artificial birth control? How much of what your rabbi says do you believe? -Sharon [...] 2268 352 58_Re: Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:18:58 +0000515_us-ascii Sorry, I should have been more specific. Obviously, not all religious Muslims deny the Holocaust and not all religious Christians deny global warming. HOWEVER, it seems that for SOME people that kind of thing is a religious value, when it really doesn't have anything to do with religion. In the documentary "Jesus Camp," a mother is, in one scene, teaching her son that not believing in global warming is somehow a Christian value. What does one have to do with another? That's what I'm confused by. [...] 2621 321 30_Ha'Aretz - What Hasn't Changed16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:41:44 -0400744_us-ascii Haaretz israel news English

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What hasn't changed on this night?

By Haaretz Editorial

Pesach is not considered to be a time for introspection. Notwithstanding, especially this year when tonight's ritual seder (also Hebrew for "order") at home starkly contradicts the sense of political and public chaos outside, the question "How is this night different from all other nights" since last year's holiday should not necessarily be restricted to children. This is especially true since exactly a year ago, [...] 2943 47 12_Haggadah 2.016_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:35:24 -0700598_iso-8859-1 For those always connected...

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Ken, I hope it was clear that I wasn't wondering about you sensitivity. I dislike ex cathedra prayers of cheif rabbis sent out by the Jewish Agency. [...] 3364 165 25_Charity vs. Social Tikkun12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:08:29 +0300555_windows-1252 Haverot/im Kol Dichfin! the ritual declaration at the start of the Seder (may all who are hungry come and eat, let the needy join us) has come home to haunt us.

For the last week or ten days the required greeting at the gift shops, health club or shopping mall has been so, where will you be for the Seder? Its not a moot question. In past years there were only two possibilities. You would be going to a seder at family/friends home or hosting them at your place. There was always a marginal group who couldnt afford to buy [...] 3530 131 16_60th Reunion DVD11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET30_Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:03:41 -0400378_us-ascii I burned a copy of the footage I took at the Galil 60th reunion to DVD. Unlike the 95-98 DVDs I made, it is not an artistic endeavor. However, if anybody wants one, I'm selling them for $5 apiece. Anybody who wants one should let me know.

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I am forwarding this to the Israeli Habonetters at the request of Hillel Schenker who originally posted it on our sister list, Shomernet).

Ken -------------------------------------------------

Dear Shomernetters, Alongside all the other political activity going on, particularly the Arab League Riad summit conference, the past few weeks featured the international conference of Democrats Abroad, which was held this year in Heidelberg, Germany. Below is the resolution that will be submitted by Democrats Abroad (DPCA) to the party in the States, to be including in the party platform. The resolution was the result of a struggle within the Israeli executive, between [...] 3952 125 7_Fw: Fw:11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:16:35 -0700511_iso-8859-1

I thought you'd enjoy this. Sorry it's late for Seder.

Steve



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Subject: RED SOX HOME OPENER POSTPONED FOR PASSOVER RED SOX HOME OPENER POSTPONED FOR PASSOVER RED SOX GENERAL MANAGER-THEO EPSTEIN ANNOUNCED THAT THE BOSTON RED SOX HOME OPENER WILL BE POSTPONED TO APRIL 14TH..TO AVOID THE 10 DAYS OF PASSOVER. HE NOTED, BECAUSE 3 OF HIS STARTERS WERE JEWISH AS WERE HIS BOX SEAT HOLDERS..HE WAS FORCED TO MAKE THIS CHANGE IN SCHEDULING. [...] 4078 2762 51_[QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:48:56 +0300660_iso-8859-1 The following is long and well worth your time. The maps alone are worth the price of admission. The author was one of the negotiaters of the Oslo Process.

Disengagement, the "Seam" Zone, and Alternative Conflict Management Shaul Arieli Col. (res.) Shaul Arieli is a former brigade commander in the northern Gaza Strip, Israel Defense Forces head of the interim agreement administration, and head of the negotiating administration in former prime minister Ehud Barak's office. The essay was written under the auspices of the Economic Cooperation Fund. Israel's long-term strategic goal is to end the conflict with the Palestinians. This [...] 6841 232 55_Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:41:20 -0700623_iso-8859-1 Amnon- Where was this published?--sue --- amnon hadary wrote:

> The following is long and well worth your time. The > maps alone are worth the price of admission. The > author was one of the negotiaters of the Oslo > Process. > > Disengagement, the "Seam" Zone, and Alternative > Conflict Management > Shaul Arieli > Col. (res.) Shaul Arieli is a former brigade > commander in the northern Gaza Strip, Israel Defense > Forces head of the interim agreement administration, > and head of the negotiating administration in former > prime minister Ehud Barak's office. The essay [...] 7074 45 8_Sad news12_Rita Katcher23_rkatchersusse@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:20:06 -0700671_iso-8859-1 The mother of David Holtzer, of Cincinnati and Kibbutz Urim, passed away early Monday morning, April 2. The funeral for Esther Holtzer was held today, Wednesday, in Be'ersheva. She will be sorely missed.

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Rita Katcher wrote: The mother of David Holtzer, of Cincinnati and Kibbutz Urim, passed away early Monday morning, April 2. The funeral for Esther Holtzer was held today, Wednesday, in Be'ersheva. She will be sorely missed.

Rita Katcher-Susse

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Thanks for posting the message for us. One "small," but important addition, however: Esther was also the mother of Judy Holtzer Knopf, also of Cincinnati Habonim, of course, and currently of Beer Sheva. She also left behind 8 grandchildren and 1 greatgranddaughter. And yes, she is sorely missed.

Carmi Spiwack Holtzer Urim ----- Original Message ----- From: Rita Katcher To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:20 AM Subject: Sad news [...] 7297 119 23_Fw: For Lovers of Music11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:39:05 -0700769_iso-8859-1 AOL EmailFor those of you that listened to Caruso, or Lanza, or Jan Pierce.

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Christian There are probably plenty of Muslims who accept the historical fact of the holocaust, too.





Sharon, as you are already used to, I often question where you get this stuff.

I am not asking that this time. I am now asking why you say this stuff. In other words: What does it mean? [...] 7502 53 12_Re: Sad news14_Frankie Meppen20_ganenet1@HOTMAIL.COM30_Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:32:12 -0700 7556 289 55_Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:21:09 +0300629_us-ascii Sue, Thanks for letting me know that it got thru. It can be found at www.shaularieli.com and www.fips.org.il

----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liberman Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 11:48 pm Subject: Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Amnon- Where was this published?--sue > --- amnon hadary wrote: > > > The following is long and well worth your time. The > > maps alone are worth the price of admission. The > > author was one of the negotiaters of the Oslo > > Process. > > > > Disengagement, the [...] 7846 66 29_Re: Charity vs. Social Tikkun0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:15:22 EDT341_US-ASCII Every time I read of the level of poverty in Israel I feel sad and very helpless. Although I have never liked, and never will, Netanyahu I can not believe that his administration could be the sole reason for the problem. Just as I never thought we in California could blame Reagan of our similar problem. What can be done? Wha [...] 7913 105 12_Re: Sad news12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:29:23 +0300626_us-ascii Dear Dave and Carmi, My heartfelt condolences to you and your children. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family Date: Thursday, April 5, 2007 5:07 am Subject: Re: Sad news To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Dear Rita, > > Thanks for posting the message for us. One "small," but > important addition, however: Esther was also the mother of Judy > Holtzer Knopf, also of Cincinnati Habonim, of course, and > currently of Beer Sheva. She also left behind 8 grandchildren and > 1 greatgranddaughter. And yes, she is sorely missed. > > Carmi Spiwack Holtzer > Urim > ----- [...] 8019 75 29_Re: Charity vs. Social Tikkun12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:16:17 +0300450_us-ascii I try to avoid ad-hominem attacks. Netanyahu boasts that his policies are what created the economic miracle. He also promised comptuers to children in poor neigborhoods - results still to be seen. What is evident is that now the rich get even richer and the poor get children.

----- Original Message ----- From: Emabear@AOL.COM Date: Thursday, April 5, 2007 8:22 am Subject: Re: Charity vs. Social Tikkun To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 8095 156 19_For Lovers of Music11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:18:12 -0700537_iso-8859-1 At the request of some Habonetters, I am forwarding this as an attachment. It is clean .

Steve



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--- amnon hadary wrote:

> Sue, > Thanks for letting me know that it got thru. It can > be found at www.shaularieli.com and www.fips.org.il > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sue Liberman > Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2007 11:48 pm > Subject: Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West > Bank Solution > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > > Amnon- Where was this published?--sue [...] 8490 117 13_Re: where why12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:28:12 -0700558_ascii Steve- This falls into the class of "it seems completely obvious to me," but, since it appears not to be obvious to you, I'll try to explain (though I'd swear I've been through this before). The short answer is that I say "this stuff" for the same reason that you say your "stuff" on this forum: to express my opinion. The longer answer is: a post gave the impression that holocaust denial was an inherent element of Islam. In response, I gave my opinion that there are plenty of Muslims who believe the holocaust to have actually taken place, In [...] 8608 259 55_Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:06:51 +0300341_us-ascii Sue, Two comments: 1, If you want to use Shaul Aieli's material I think he would be pleased. It would be good form to ask him. Pelosi's visit is smart because it broke untried ground. Bush's distress is probably good for her even if he tried to dismiss it by calling her a SF democrat. Where are all the other democrats? Amnon [...] 8868 202 20_Pratfall in Damascus13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:29:47 +0300702_us-ascii Pratfall in Damascus Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy



Thursday, April 5, 2007; A16



HOUSE SPEAKER Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) offered an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state when traveling abroad. After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested [...] 9071 240 55_Re: [QUAR] Backgrounder to Potential West Bank Solution12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:57:16 -0700328_iso-8859-1 As a nice Jewish girl- can't do anything without permission ! (sic)....so of course we would ask regarding a re-print... Had a discussion this morning about Pelosi which ended up along gender lines- the girls in the office loved it, and the guys thought it was useless....we'll see.....Happy matzah eating...sue [...] 9312 302 24_Re: Pratfall in Damascus13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:02:57 -0400558_iso-8859-1 Pratfall in DamascusAnd who, pray tell, wrote this little piece of bunk? I found it so ridiculously biased as to be almost amusing. The big macho neocons, the ones who invaded Iraq and still dream of expanding that invasion to Syria and Iran someday, must be really trembling in their pants to get so slighted by a rather small, frail, and beautiful old lady as to call her visit "a new US diplomatic initiative in the Middle East." I'd just say this to her: You go girl! You not only defeated them in the last elections and became the first [...] 9615 71 24_Re: Pratfall in Damascus11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:36:37 -0400357_us-ascii Alas, this was the Washington Post's lead editorial in the April 5 print edition (though the link Jon provided indicates it was available online on 4/4), not some neo-con blog (Though perhaps some might call the Post that. Then again the letters section is generally full of messages decrying the liberal slant. I guess its always somethin'). [...] 9687 68 12_Re: Sad news13_Laurie Zifkin12_Zifl@AOL.COM28_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:00:57 EDT596_US-ASCII Dear Dave, Carmi and family,

sending our deepest sympathies on the passing of your mother.

our thoughts and prayers are with you all.

laurie, gabi and arielle zifkin





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Worth sending again.

Steve

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HOW EXACTLY DO YOU PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM? SENATORS ELECTED HAVE SIX YEARS EACH. REPRESENTATIVES HAVE TWO YEARS EACH. ONE PERSON IS ELECTED AND ONE TAKES OFFICE. OR THEY ARE REELECTED. THEY ALSO RESIDE IN DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA AND HAVE HOMES IN THEIR HOME STATES TO KEEP UP. TO ME, THIS ISSUE PUTS YOU BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE [BOB KAUFMAN] -------------- Forwarded Message THIS HAS BEEN AROUND BEFORE BUT WORTH READING AGAIN. [...] 10141 228 79_Fw: If the Passover Story Were Reported by CNN or the New YorkTimes............11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:28:20 -0700476_iso-8859-1

Late but poignant.

Steve



If the Passover Story Were Reported by CNN or the New York Times

Daniel P. Waxman

The cycle of violence between the Jews and the Egyptians continues with no end in sight in Egypt . After eight previous plagues have destroyed the Egyptian infrastructure and disrupted the lives of ordinary Egyptian citizens, the Jews launched a new offensive this week in the form of the plague of darkness. [...] 10370 224 13_Re: where why11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:56:19 -0700501_iso-8859-1

Sharon

Clear? Actually, no. I suspected you have a FEELING that there are "plenty of Moslems who believe the Holocaust . . and are not deniers". I just asked where did you read this, or saw this, or dreamt this or gained knowledge of this. There are "plenty of people out here" that would like to have the opportunity to access your seemingly exclusive sources. ( I made up the "plenty" part. I actually have no idea at all of the amount of people that are interested.) [...] 10595 51 10_South Park11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:17:00 +0000568_us-ascii Who here saw "South Park" this week? I am sure many people here will automatically dismiss the show as crude, but over the past near-decade, it has become one of my favorite shows, because of its cynical and direct social commentary.

This week's episode-- the short version is that they found out that Saint Peter was actually a rabbit, and that the Pope was meant to be a rabbit (hence the shape of the hat). They wind up replacing the Pope with a rabbit, and somebody asks him to please advise how people should live their lives. The rabbit, of [...] 10647 46 14_Re: South Park11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:23:13 -0400599_us-ascii So what's the commentary? That it's easy to be infallible when you keep your mouth shut? :-)

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:17:00 +0000 >From: Julie Esris >Subject: South Park >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > Who here saw "South Park" this week? I am sure many > people here will automatically dismiss the show as > crude, but over the past near-decade, it has become > one of my favorite shows, because of its cynical and > direct social commentary. > > This week's episode-- the short version is that they > found out that [...] 10694 74 37_Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:24:01 -0400434_us-ascii



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----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak Date: Friday, April 6, 2007 1:29 pm Subject: Re: South Park To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> So what's the commentary? That it's easy to be infallible when > you keep your mouth shut? :-) > > Noam > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:17:00 +0000 > >From: Julie Esris > >Subject: South Park > >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > > > Who here saw "South [...] 10897 162 37_Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:35:15 -0400539_ISO-8859-1 Senator Byrd turns 90 later this year. Even if he retires tomorrow, the most he can get is 80% of his top salary ($165,000) or $132000 a year. How much a retiree earns depends on length of service. Senators pay about 7% of salary annually towards their retirement fund--Senator Byrd is unlikely to ever recoup his contribution--he has been in office for 48 years.. His wife died last year, so we don't have to worry about her collecting after he dies. And House and Senate members have paid into Social Security since 1984 [...] 11060 179 37_Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:54:15 -0400666_us-ascii See

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp

Thanks, as always for being a reliable source Steve.

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:23:26 -0700 >From: Steve Klein >Subject: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read) >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > > Worth sending again. > > Steve > > Subject: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read) > > > HOW EXACTLY DO YOU PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM? > SENATORS ELECTED HAVE SIX YEARS EACH. > REPRESENTATIVES HAVE TWO YEARS EACH. ONE PERSON IS > ELECTED AND ONE TAKES OFFICE. OR THEY ARE REELECTED. > THEY ALSO RESIDE IN DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA [...] 11240 156 13_Re: where why12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:17:33 -0700633_ascii Steve- It is my opinion, and I stated it as my opinion. One need not cite sources for one's opinions. -Sharon



----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 9:56:19 AM Subject: Re: where why





Sharon

Clear? Actually, no. I suspected you have a FEELING that there are "plenty of Moslems who believe the Holocaust . . and are not deniers". I just asked where did you read this, or saw this, or dreamt this or gained knowledge of this. There are "plenty of people out here" that would like to have the [...] 11397 398 13_Re: where why11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:05:26 -0700415_iso-8859-1 Sharon

You are correct on all three accounts.

I would then try to get at what the BASES (plural of BASIS)might be for your opinion, but that also may lead nowhere productive.

Instead, I am wishing you Shabbat Shalom.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Gates To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: where why [...] 11796 208 37_Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:09:45 -0700444_iso-8859-1 Noam

No. Thank YOU for keeping us honest and on our toes.

Although some of the people in question began their terms before 1983, the new conditions are fairer than they were before.

Thanks again

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: "Noam Stopak" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read) [...] 12005 180 15_Fw: Lovers. . .11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:18:18 -0700607_iso-8859-1 I am trying to send this one more time. If you'd like it sent privately, (RB?), please give me your E-addresses.

Thanks

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Steve Klein Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Lovers. . .



music

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Dear Minister, We were pleased to hear that after approximately three weeks of great disappointment with the governments impotence and its avoidance of ejecting the trespassers from the disputed house in Hebron that you have decided to order that the new settlement be removed from the city. [...] 12345 177 15_Pre publication12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:47:32 +0300347_windows-1252 Riv I hope you had an easy flight. I translated this and am sending it to you as straight text so you don't get the hassle of an attachment. Ami

PEACE NOW TO HAND-DELIVER A LETTER TO AMIR PERETZ On Sunday April 8 a delegation of Peace Now leaders will travel to Amir Pertz home in Sderot to deliver the following message [...] 12523 184 37_Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:56:48 +0300663_us-ascii Plus there's his KKK pension.

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:35 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: SOCIAL SECURITY (a must read)



Senator Byrd turns 90 later this year. Even if he retires tomorrow, the most he can get is 80% of his top salary ($165,000) or $132000 a year. How much a retiree earns depends on length of service. Senators pay about 7% of salary annually towards their retirement fund--Senator Byrd is unlikely to ever recoup his contribution--he has been in office for 48 years.. [...] 12708 359 36_When a dilettante takes on Hizbullah13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:35:18 +0300606_windows-1255 When a dilettante takes on Hizbullah By Michael Young Daily Star staff Thursday, April 05, 2007

We can thank the US speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, for having informed Syrian President Bashar Assad, from Beirut, that "the road to solving Lebanon's problems passes through Damascus." Now, of course, all we need to do is remind Pelosi that the spirit and letter of successive United Nations Security Council resolutions, as well as Saudi and Egyptian efforts in recent weeks, have been destined to ensure precisely the opposite: that Syria end its meddling in Lebanese affairs. [...] 13068 325 103_Fw: Speech that was delivered before the UN Human Rights Council inGeneva, Switzerland on 23 March 200711_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:36:17 -0700543_iso-8859-1

For those that missed this first time around:

Steve



Subject: Speech that was delivered before the UN Human Rights Council inGeneva, Switzerland on 23 March 2007



Although I did not read, see or hear all of you, of those that I did, there was not a single comment about this speech that was delivered before the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, Switzerland on 23 March 2007. The speech itself is very damning to the UN, but the UN response at the end is what makes it unbelievable. [...] 13394 124 24_Fw: Patriot Guard Riders11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:10:13 -0700430_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Steve Klein Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Patriot Guard Riders



I am sending the weblink for something that might become be special and meaningful to you.

If you are a motorcycle rider or you know any motorcycle riders that would like to do a right thing and actually support our troops and their families, this is [...] 13519 77 24_Re: Pratfall in Damascus13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM30_Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:37:50 -0700357_iso-8859-1 No doubt that Pelosi bungled things, but compared to the bungle that is Iraq it really is small potatoes. So glad that those who heap praise on the half-wits who run the executive branch finally have something to complain about.

Jonathan Baum wrote: Pratfall in Damascus Nancy Pelosi's foolish shuttle diplomacy [...] 13597 66 34_Critical Currents:Eye of the storm16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 8 Apr 2007 05:19:54 -0700709_iso-8859-1 Naomi Chazzan on the current copnditions.

Critical Currents: Eye of the storm

--------------------------------- Naomi Chazan, THE JERUSALEM POST Apr. 5, 2007

--------------------------------- This year, total rest and relaxation during the last days of Pessah are particularly recommended. Beside the usual need to unwind and recuperate from the bevy of preparations and festivities, it is now possible to enjoy a rare respite from the gathering political winds that threaten to develop into a veritable hurricane. The foreknowledge of the difficult weeks to come may actually have a fortifying effect. If utilized properly, it may help to weather the oncoming storm. The [...] 13664 280 38_NYT David Brooks - A War of Narratives11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:33:09 -0400647_iso-8859-1 As usual, it seems the Jews are at fault... When will they ever learn, when will they ever learn?



http://select.nytimes.com/2007/04/08/opinion/08brooksd.html

April 8, 2007 Op-Ed Columnist A War of Narratives By DAVID BROOKS On the Dead Sea, Jordan

I just attended a conference that was both illuminating and depressing. It was co-sponsored by the Center for Strategic Studies at the University of Jordan and the American Enterprise Institute, and the idea was to get Americans and moderate Arab reformers together to talk about Iraq, Iran, and any remaining prospects for democracy in the Middle East. [...] 13945 513 19_Moronic convergence13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:00:09 +0300631_windows-1255

Anti-globalists reach out to Islamists

Cooperation between Islamists and the left is growing, reports Eric Walberg _____



What is striking about this latest conference is the growing cooperation both within the Muslim world and between the anti-global left and Muslims. This should come as no surprise, considering the traditional focus of the left on defending victims of torture. Who are the biggest victims of torture in the world today? Of course, Muslims, primarily in Iraq and Palestine, but everywhere in the West, and just about in every country that is predominantly Muslim. [...] 14459 181 7_Lullaby12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:49:00 +0300480_windows-1252 Tomorrow its Ois Pesach and we have Yom Haatzmaut and its attendant Yom Hazikron to look forward to, so I want to sing a song. Its a song to our enemies who drowned at the Reed Sea and to ourselves who drink a glass of wine as we sing Ma Lecha Hayam Ki Tanus. The words are in a poem by Yehuda Amichai and put to music by Yoni Rechter. It was performed by the Armys education corps Entertainment Ensemble when it was still progressive (e.g. Shir HaShalom. ) [...] 14641 331 11_Re: Lullaby11_Sylvia Lask14_smlbov@AOL.COM30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:43:06 -0400582_utf-8 Thanks for sharing with us the lullaby. It calls for one to stop and think "where are we" Sylvia Lask

-----Original Message----- From: gershon-keileh@013.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:49 AM Subject: Lullaby



Tomorrow it’s Ois Pesach and we have Yom Ha’atzmaut and its attendant Yom Hazikron to look forward to, so I want to sing a song. It’s a song to our enemies who drowned at the Reed Sea and to ourselves who drink a glass of wine as we sing Ma Lecha Hayam Ki Tanus. The words are in a poem by Yehuda Amichai and put [...] 14973 58 11_Re: Lullaby0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:07:15 -0700575_utf-8 Amnon,

That "lullaby" is enough to put most kids in therapy for decades.

Norm ---- amnon hadary wrote: Tomorrow it’s Ois Pesach and we have Yom Ha’atzmaut and its attendant Yom Hazikron to look forward to, so I want to sing a song. It’s a song to our enemies who drowned at the Reed Sea and to ourselves who drink a glass of wine as we sing Ma Lecha Hayam Ki Tanus. The words are in a poem by Yehuda Amichai and put to music by Yoni Rechter. It was performed by the Army’s education corps Entertainment Ensemble when [...] 15032 121 27_Re: Lullaby-Reconciliations12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:47:46 -0700579_iso-8859-1 The tragic state of affairs we are now in leaves me full of questions. Throughout our history, we diminished our "fullness" by deleting ten ( or 13) drops of wine from our full cups at Pesach; we consider ourselves as lofty idealists while the children of our enemies are drowning in poverty and hate. And it seems as if no matter what we do, even goiong ot the extreme of "loving our enemies" and espousing the Christ-like philosophy of turning the other cheek and loving your enemy...little seems to work when your "enemy" wants you or himself dead. The poetry [...] 15154 218 10_Re Lullaby12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:42:18 +0300457_windows-1252 To Sylvia, Norm and Sue - Happy Hopeful Spring. I'm not putting much hope in collective therapy nor in loving our enemies. They are too sanguine for my taste. Nor is my hope that we can change our enemies. An enemy is an enemy is an enemy. Since I can't change them, we must keep our powder dry. But there is a danger of hating them too wholeheartedly, lest we ourselves become what we hate so much. Lest we become their reflection. Amnon [...] 15373 124 14_Re: Re Lullaby12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:21:09 -0700578_iso-8859-1 Perhaps we can't change our enemies, but ah--can we change our enemies' children?....sue



--- amnon hadary wrote:

> To Sylvia, Norm and Sue - Happy Hopeful Spring. I'm > not putting much hope in collective therapy nor in > loving our enemies. They are too sanguine for my > taste. Nor is my hope that we can change our > enemies. An enemy is an enemy is an enemy. Since I > can't change them, we must keep our powder dry. But > there is a danger of hating them too > wholeheartedly, lest we ourselves become what we [...] 15498 419 11_Re: Lullaby11_Sylvia Lask14_smlbov@AOL.COM30_Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:30:30 -0400490_utf-8 Thank you Amnon for bringing us back to reality. I sometimes think that I let myself think that it is alright to be that 15 year old idealist and then I wake up and find you can't be in the real world. One of my closest friends always tells me thast in my public life I probably am the most liberal person he knows...but in my private ,life, I am the most conservative. I am trying with the situation here and in Israel to find a middle ground...one that we can all walk. Sylvia [...] 15918 2850 47_The Atlantic - Interview with Avigdor Lieberman16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:26:52 -0400627_us-ascii

The Atlantic Monthly | May 2007





The Minister for National Fears





With the collapse of the center in Israeli politics, and the growing menace of Iran, Avigdor Lieberman's extremist views may suddenly become mainstream.

by Gershom Gorenberg

.....

photo

From Atlantic Unbound:

Interviews: "'Israel Is Our Home'" (April 3, 2007) Gershom Gorenberg elucidates the startling politics of Avigdor Lieberman, a right-wing Israeli politician who has lately taken center stage. [...] 18769 910 51_Blessed Are The Peacemakers - IPF Friday Volume 31716_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:40:51 -0400675_us-ascii



Washington, DC, April 6, 2007 | Issue # 317 Printer Friendly Version



Blessed Are The Peacemakers



You know what they say: no good deed goes unpunished.

That is certainly the case with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and her visit to Syria.

At a time (the Easter-Passover recess) when dozens of House members and Senators are visiting foreign capitals and discussing policy with foreign leaders, Pelosi is being skewered for, in the words of the Washington Post's editors, "substituting her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican President." [...] 19680 733 53_Washington Post - Robert Novak on Israeli "Apartheid"16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:49:00 -0400535_ISO-8859-1 washingtonpost.com Worse Than Apartheid?

By Robert D. Novak Monday, April 9, 2007; 12:00 AM

BETHLEHEM, West Bank -- Hani Hayek, an accountant who is the Christian mayor of the tiny majority-Christian Palestinian village of Beit Sahour, was angry last week as he drove me along the Israeli security wall. "They are taking our communal lands," he said, pointing to the massive Israeli settlement of Har Homa. "They don't want us to live here. They want us to leave." [...] 20414 45 18_Yiddish at Harvard16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:35:51 -0400381_ISO-8859-1 I received an announcement from the Harvard Center for Jewish Studies of this year's Jacob Pat Memorial Lecture in Yiddish Life and Culture. Yuri Veddenyapin, Preceptor in Yiddish in Harvard's Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations, will speak on "Joking Their Way from Lodz to Tel-Aviv: The Yiddish Odyssey of Shimen Dzigan and Yisroel Shumakher." [...] 20460 129 12_Re: Sad news14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:55:09 +0200407_ISO-8859-1 Thank you for your kind condolences. I passed your letter on to Judy, of course.

Despite the rapidly advancing Alzheimers for the last 6 months, her end was mercifully swift and without suffering.

May her memory be a blessing

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: Laurie Zifkin To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:00 AM Subject: Re: Sad news [...] 20590 307 43_Fw: The Peaceful Majority by William Haynes11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:05:26 -0700591_iso-8859-1

I know this is not new stuff. However, it certainly bears repeating for those that don't take it seriously

and haven't as yet understood (or still don't agree with) the message at the end.

Steve







The Peaceful Majority by William Haynes

I used to know a man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since. [...] 20898 89 29_Re: Fw: The Peaceful Majority11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:35:53 -0400404_us-ascii Steve,

The author wrote:

"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. " [...] 20988 116 29_Re: Fw: The Peaceful Majority11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:06:30 -0700564_iso-8859-1 Noam

I knew when I sent it that there could be ways for the article to be used for other agendas.

That's OK, but not the point that the article or I were making.

Steve

Noam, by the way, if you did read that ending paragraph, did you have a comment on it?











> Steve, > > The author wrote: > > "Very few people were true Nazis "he said," > but many enjoyed the return of German pride, > and many more were too busy to care. I was > one of those who just thought the Nazis were [...] 21105 65 50_Interesting article about the corruption in Israel16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:13:46 -0700681_iso-8859-1 Corruption must be fought, but Israel's plight is far from unique.



http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000199547&fid=980 Perspective, please Corruption must be fought, but Israel's plight is far from unique. Laura Goldman 4 Apr 07 18:29 All of the country is sick with a virus called Corruptenza. The symptoms are unease and malaise. Many of the sick have not consulted with a doctor but instead have stayed home and looked into a clouded crystal ball. They have predicted that Israel has a terminal case of corruption. Although it is serious, my diagnosis is that the patient named Israel will recover and be stronger than ever. [...] 21171 84 34_Fwd: Re: Fw: The Peaceful Majority11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:38:30 -0400434_us-ascii



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Lengthy but riveting. Suggestion: Print it out so that reading it is much easier. Some of you will want to keep it in printed form anyway. One other thing: As I have stated in the past, I think that articles like this are the main and basic building blocks of anti-semitism. "Jews are smart- Everyone else is less so". Therefore, I am probably not going to be sending it out indiscriminately. Still, there is a lot to think about in the article, and the author leaves plenty of room for conjecture and opposition to his conclusions. (Toward the end, he [...] 22738 55 57_Re: Washington Post - Robert Novak on Israeli "Apartheid"0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:52:40 EDT531_US-ASCII Nice





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Cairo - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars.

According to the religious edict issued by Rashad Hassan Khalil, a former dean of Al-Azhar University's faculty of Sharia (or Islamic law), "being completely naked during the act of coitus annuls the marriage". [...] 22939 204 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:18:23 +0200543_windows-1255 But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffsLeave it to the religious nuts to try and take the fun even out of marital sex.....

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs



No nudity for sex' 09/01/2006 14:56 - (SA)

Cairo - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among Islamic scholars. [...] 23144 223 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:29:53 +0000631_utf-8 WTF??? I'm amazed the Westboro Baptist Church didn't think of this first. Who comes up with this stuff????

----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family Date: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:28 pm Subject: Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffsLeave it to the > religious nuts to try and take the fun even out of marital sex..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Baum > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs > > > No nudity for sex' > [...] 23368 79 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:51:48 -0400638_iso-8859-1 Didn't turn up at snopes, but hard to believe this is for real.

Jon - do you believe this is for real?

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:58:07 +0300 >From: Jonathan Baum >Subject: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > No nudity for sex' > 09/01/2006 (->)14:56 - (SA) > > Cairo - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa > claiming that nudity during sexual intercourse > invalidates a marriage has uncovered a rift among > Islamic scholars. > > According to the religious edict issued by Rashad > Hassan Khalil, a former [...] 23448 110 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:37:54 -0700627_iso-8859-1 Funny, I never knew there was any fun in marital sex!...sue ( only kiddiing, of course)....



--- Holtzer Family wrote:

> But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffsLeave it to > the religious nuts to try and take the fun even out > of marital sex..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Baum > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs > > > No nudity for sex' > 09/01/2006 14:56 - (SA) > > Cairo - An Egyptian cleric's controversial fatwa > claiming that nudity during sexual [...] 23559 51 24_About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:46:39 -0700569_iso-8859-1 My feminine side is outraged at all of the hoopla over Imus' comments, and the reaction by the media and the eventual ruination of this man's career. I haveheard him say other horrible things abotu Jews and women and even about himself and his wife (usually iin jest)-But I was under the impression his "good side" outweighed the stupid things that may have come out of his mouth. What ourages me more is the fact that this language is a creation of the Black Hip-Hop culture and has been nurtured and "sold" on many other radio stations and pitched to [...] 23611 23 14_Resurgent BBYO0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:53:49 -0700318_utf-8 I was wondering if anyone else had seen the articles about the resurgence of BBYO. It seems a multi million dollar grant from the Shusterman Foundation and a multi yeat multi million dollar commitment from Bnai Brith can really get things popping.

I was just curious to hear other people's reaction. [...] 23635 82 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:07:57 -0400598_ISO-8859-1 And illiterate Jews created the slur "kike" by signing with a circle (kike) instead of an x?

The man is a foul-mouthed bigot whose disgusting remarks got particular notice because he was a foul mouthed bigot on national tv and not just radio. His "career" was "ruined" because sponsors pulled their support of his show. True, there are a lot of other foul mouthed DJ around--I stopped letting my son listen to his favorite radio station on the way to school after the male and female djs discussed there bowel movements one morning. People apparently love the vilest of vile [...] 23718 150 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:09 -0700389_iso-8859-1 But Judy- That is exactly my question--why is Imus crucified, but the DJ's who promote this kind of language are left to flourish...the hypocrisy is so evident; Imus may be foul mouthed and a bigot ( there is no lack of those around)-but he also does some good things....No one called him onm the carpet for saying nasty things about Jews.....He wasn't fired for that!...s [...] 23869 282 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:31:41 -0400381_ISO-8859-1 Since Howard Stern bit the terrestrial radio dust, Imus is the most prominent of the foul-mouthed DJs. So prominent that his radio show is on TV. That's why he got noticed. He isn't just another of the thousands of AM DJs discussing personal details I wouldn't share with my best friend. He is the king of the genre. The good he does? The man is NOT Mother Teresa! [...] 24152 248 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:11:21 -0700547_iso-8859-1 well- He does run a camp for kids with cancer- and he broke the story about Walter Reed and the despicable treatment of vets; plus- I have watched him early in the morning out here ( he's on from 3 AM -6) and there was no lack of intyellectuals, writers, politicians, etc who would not only be guests- but call in to "chat"--He wasn't exactly someone who was treated as if he were a "leper" before this.....I feel as if free speech in this country is dead- and the air waves are now being dictated by Jesse Jackson and Sharpton--I [...] 24401 418 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:08:05 -0400537_ISO-8859-1 The Washington Post broke the Walter Reed story, not Imus!

Free speech is not dead. He said what he wanted to say and he was challenged on his bigoted remarks by his objects of ridicule. David Duke can say whatever he wants but CBS and MSNBC don't have to air him saying it. Imus can continue to say whatever he wants but no one owes him a platform to say it. He didn't have tenure at CBS and MSNBC. He ran his foul mouth for profit--his and theirs. Now his foul mouth is no longer profitable for them (thank god) [...] 24820 240 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:35:05 -0700409_iso-8859-1 Judy--Do you not think that the hip-hop culture which "invented" this language has any part in this?....Why aren't people ( Sharpton, MTV, Jackson) reaming them for the disgusting lyrics?......The issue isn't really just Imus and his show ( he has had a 40-year career, remember).....the issue is -as our forefather said-how we treat each other--and hypocrisy. That's how I feel, anyway...sue [...] 25061 101 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:07:42 +0300442_windows-1255 Stranger things have been said, Noam.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:52 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs



Didn't turn up at snopes, but hard to believe this is for real.

Jon - do you believe this is for real? [...] 25163 386 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:20:34 -0400660_ISO-8859-1 Black leaders talk about how degrading and destructive hip-hop and rap lyrics are all the time! Judy

Sue Liberman wrote:

>Judy--Do you not think that the hip-hop culture which >"invented" this language has any part in this?....Why >aren't people ( Sharpton, MTV, Jackson) reaming them >for the disgusting lyrics?......The issue isn't really >just Imus and his show ( he has had a 40-year career, >remember).....the issue is -as our forefather said-how >we treat each other--and hypocrisy. That's how I feel, >anyway...sue > > >--- Judy Gelman wrote: > > > >>The Washington Post broke the Walter Reed story, not [...] 25550 135 18_great instructions14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:29:48 +0200584_windows-1255 Youll enjoy this programmers sense of humour:





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Steve

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--- Judy Gelman wrote:

> Black leaders talk about how degrading and > destructive hip-hop and rap > lyrics are all the time! > Judy > > Sue Liberman wrote: > > >Judy--Do you not think that the hip-hop culture > which > >"invented" this language has any part in > this?....Why > >aren't people ( Sharpton, MTV, Jackson) reaming > them > >for the disgusting lyrics?......The issue isn't > really > >just Imus [...] 25946 303 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:43:03 -0700448_ascii Controversy is "disputation concerning a matter of opinion" (reference.com). Imus's comments were not controversial, they were insulting. It does not say much good about our culture that insult passes for controversy in our current media climate. -Sharon

"----- Original Message ---- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:11:21 PM Subject: Re: About Imus and the media [...] 26250 31 4_Imus16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:26:56 -0400635_ISO-8859-1 I don't have too much sympathy for Imus: after all, he's now merely another unemployed multi-millionaire. But Sue is right that there is a certain moral hypocrisy--in this instance Imus was an easy target. But Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should have no credibility as moral arbiters of anything. Jackson's Operation Push is an extortion ring; nevermind his out-of-wedlock child and the Hymietown remark. Al Sharpton made his rep on the racist Tawana Brawley scandal whose fabrication he helped create. Certainly Imus is offensive. He's been well paid to be offensive. Howard Stern is still well paid to be offensive. [...] 26282 1024 28_Re: About Imus and the media10_Gil Browdy22_mazkir@HABONIMDROR.ORG31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:52 -0400503_us-ascii



"Hip Hop Culture" is a creation of the recording industry. As rap music became more and more a part of public knowledge in the mid to late 80s, music companies needed to take advantage of this colossal profit potential. So, starting with (now) more well known artists as Run DMC, they started marketing black culture to their main demographic, white culture. This is evident in ridiculous ventures as Walk This Way by Aerosmith (the whitest of bands) and Run DMC together. [...] 27307 76 8_Re: Imus12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:35 -0700313_iso-8859-1 Thank you , Ealihu- Interesting that Maya Angelou hit the nail on the head by sxcplaiming this wasn't about Imus, but about the moral decay of the black culture- and she was glad he brought this out and now something may be done about it....I like people who take lemons and make lemonade.....sue [...] 27384 33 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:38:09 -0700334_iso-8859-1 --- Gil Browdy

> Al Sharpton and Jesse > Jackson have always been around to try and unite > their community and overcome stereotypes and racism.

Gil--Maybe these two "tried"- but they also tried at the expense of the Jewish community; these two have no right judging the moral temperature of anyone--sue [...] 27418 240 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:41:38 -0700309_iso-8859-1 Unfortunatley, Sharon, one element of controversy is often "insults"- but to pick on that word shows you didn't undertsand the point I was making- which was talk radio is now experiencing a rash of "fear" because fo the Imus incident, and thus one arena of free speech is being attacked...sue [...] 27659 88 45_Re: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:20:15 -0700404_iso-8859-1 I thought taking the fun out of sex was the point of marriage in the first place.

Holtzer Family wrote: Leave it to the religious nuts to try and take the fun even out of marital sex.....

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: But, fortunately, nothing about handcuffs [...] 27748 39 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:28:45 -0400665_us-ascii Sue,

I don't see what is wrong with the idea that hateful speech, especially over public airwaves, has consequences. Can you explain?

Thanks,

Noam

---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:41:38 -0700 >From: Sue Liberman >Subject: Re: About Imus and the media >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > >Unfortunatley, Sharon, one element of controversy is >often "insults"- but to pick on that word shows you >didn't undertsand the point I was making- which was >talk radio is now experiencing a rash of "fear" >because fo the Imus incident, and thus one arena of >free speech is being attacked...sue > [...] 27788 55 28_Re: About Imus and the media10_Gil Browdy22_mazkir@HABONIMDROR.ORG31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:37:30 -0400509_us-ascii Fair enough, but that one out of context sentence was hardly the point of my email.

-Gil



-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sue Liberman Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:38 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: About Imus and the media

--- Gil Browdy

> Al Sharpton and Jesse > Jackson have always been around to try and unite > their community and overcome stereotypes and racism. [...] 27844 485 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:16:03 +0300514_us-ascii Gil what a refreshing breath of information you've added to the discusssion. It is fueled by what strike me as well marshalled facts. From where I sit far from the scene I still don't have an opinion but now it's no longer due to feeling "huh?" Amnon



















----- Original Message ----- From: Gil Browdy Date: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:22 pm Subject: Re: About Imus and the media To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 28330 356 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:38:18 -0700341_iso-8859-1

Gil

Nice job of writing. Where have you been?!

I am wondering (as Sue did) why you used Jackson and Sharpton as examples? That was rhetorical, I guess, but here is the better question; Have you ever listened to Larry Elder? Not to take away an ounce of what you wrote, but it will be a real experience. [...] 28687 120 31_Where Have All the Paupers Gone12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:50:09 +0300620_windows-1252

Every fourth Israeli is a have-not. But if fully a quarter of the population lives below the poverty line, how come one doesnt see them. Poverty is simply not in the eye of the beholder says Sevver Plotzker in Yediot Ahronot. The beholders just dont frequent the underside of the social seam, they dont seek out the poorer quarters where the ragged people go. Sixty three percent of the 1.75 million Israeli poor stem from three discrete demographic elements of our society: Ethiopian olim, Arabs and Haredim. They are not yet no-go areas. Experience of other countries suggests that soon [...] 28808 429 28_Re: About Imus and the media11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:17:07 -0400348_ISO-8859-1 Shock radio is experiencing fear because it thrives on going just up to the very edge without falling over but now it seems that the edge has been pulled back a little bit and so the shock jocks are afraid they may also walk out over the precipice. Why anyone listens to their crap is beyond me, let alone why they would defend it. [...] 29238 49 35_Re: Where Have All the Paupers Gone0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:08:56 -0700498_utf-8 Amnon,

Ameinu in Los Angeles recently hosted a lecture by the President of Mazon an organization that directs Jewish responses to hunger world wide. In discussing the situation in Israel he made two points. Regarding the haredim, they tend to have large families and the fathers don't work, rather they attend yeshivot and live off of welfare, a certain recipe for poverty. The Arab population also have large families and the women generally don't work, also leading to poverty. [...] 29288 126 46_WashPost: Eugene Robinson - Why Imus Had to Go11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:43:18 -0400511_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: About Imus and the media



> Unfortunatley, Sharon, one element of controversy is > often "insults"- but to pick on that word shows you > didn't undertsand the point I was making- which was > talk radio is now experiencing a rash of "fear" > because fo the Imus incident, and thus one arena of > free speech is being attacked...sue [...] 29415 46 8_Re: Imus11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:47 -0400702_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:26 AM Subject: Imus



>I don't have too much sympathy for Imus: after all, he's now merely >another unemployed multi-millionaire. But Sue is right that there is a >certain moral hypocrisy--in this instance Imus was an easy target. But >Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton should have no credibility as moral arbiters >of anything. Jackson's Operation Push is an extortion ring; nevermind his >out-of-wedlock child and the Hymietown remark. Al Sharpton made his rep on >the racist Tawana Brawley scandal whose fabrication he helped create. [...] 29462 37 28_Re: About Imus and the media12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:14:01 -0700552_iso-8859-1 > Quality talk radio has always been about discussion > of issues and never > been about insulting people or groups. I don't see > (or hear) any "fear" > in those quarters. > Judy- Perhaps Washington/Maryland has a different take on it- Out here in LA LA land, it ha sbeen the subject on most of the talk/radio circuits- the responsible ones as well as the shlock ones...It has been the issue with Maya Angelou as well as Anderson Cooper- as well as others- can't wait to hear Bill maher on the subject...shabbat shalom to you too--sue [...] 29500 280 28_NYT Krugman - For God's Sake11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:03:32 -0400497_iso-8859-1 Gotta love those Texas Republicans. Frightening.

+++

April 13, 2007 Op-Ed Columnist For God's Sake By PAUL KRUGMAN In 1981, Gary North, a leader of the Christian Reconstructionist movement - the openly theocratic wing of the Christian right - suggested that the movement could achieve power by stealth. "Christians must begin to organize politically within the present party structure," he wrote, "and they must begin to infiltrate the existing institutional order." [...] 29781 93 28_Re: About Imus and the media13_avi rosenberg16_avi@GEZER.ORG.IL31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:46:06 +0300551_ISO-8859-1 I don't know who this Imus guy is, but I sometimes hear Israeli broadcasters on the radio say the most outrageous things in English that make me think I should go for a hearing test. I guess they don't totally realize the effect in English of what they are saying. They could never say the equivalent in Hebrew. Also I very often hear the song "Speedy Gonzales" aired on the radio here. I don't know why they do that. The lyrics are pretty outrageous. I think if some radio station in LA would play that, the Hispanics would burn down [...] 29875 174 34_It's All Because of the Occupation28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter20_habesor@SMILE.NET.IL31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:19:49 +0200423_iso-8859-1 I came across the following article during a discussion on another forum.I submit it for the consideration of the readers of Habonet because I feel that some of us have fallen into the intellectual trap (and I think a subtle racist trap as well) that Israel is responsible for everything that happens in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Hence the subject line of this email. The original article can be found in: [...] 30050 66 24_Walt & Mearsheimer redux16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:38:54 -0400424_us-ascii Walt & Mearsheimer have just published a rebuttal to the critics of their Israel lobby paper. The rebuttal's publication in the London Review of Books was sponsored by Paul Flum, a wealthy individual who heads "Goals for Americans." (Its worldview is displayed at www.goalsforamericans.com)

Here's the url for the W&M rebuttal. It's 36 pages of drivel for those of you with severe intestinal fortitude. [...] 30117 266 57_Re: It's All Because of the Occupation & Imus, and Blacks12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:51:17 -0700562_iso-8859-1 For those in Israel who don't know- Don Imus had a radio show for 40 years; in the past few, it has been "simulcast" on MSNBC out here from 3-6 AM - 6-9 AM on the East Coast). The show was a mish-mash of stupid skits, interviews with all kinds of people- many writers, politicians, intellectuals, current events etc. Imus is and was very crass, but "smart," and it was interesting to watch a radio show....Often all kinds of "personalties would call in and they would chat on the phone....He would tear in on anyone...a lot o fhis crass-ness was [...] 30384 75 12_please prune11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:03:32 -0400357_iso-8859-1 No this isn't about pesach cuisine...

When responding to messages on Habonet, please take a moment to delete all but the relevant text of the message to which you are responding.

Thank you,

Noam (junior assistant list administrator)

p.s. for those who may be confused, no, this is not an attempt to censor anyone [...] 30460 223 28_watch the whole thing please5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:15:51 +0200446_windows-1255





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As of April 15 my new address will be 9 Shalom Yehuda Street, Jerusalem. The phone number will be 972 02 671 6478. Email remains as is. Amnon

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--- Aviva wrote:

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18:53 , 04.15.07





Holocaust Day



Photo: AP Yad Vashem museum Photo: AP







Memories that never fade

Second generation of Holocaust survivors passes on parents' memories Shlomo Artzi [...] 32023 130 12_plain as day11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:58:30 -0400477_iso-8859-1

Did a quick check to see if the Texas Republican Party (which gave us George W. Bush and Alberto Gonzales) are really as whacky as Paul Krugman reported. There it was on page 21 of their 2004 platform:

(now hear this all you non-Judeo-Christians) "...

Christian Nation - America is a Christian nation, founded on Judeo-Christian principles. We affirm the constitutional right of all individuals to worship in the religion of their choice. [...] 32154 83 18_Re: Address Change12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:14:35 -0700566_ascii Why the move? -Sharon

----- Original Message ---- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:43:35 AM Subject: Address Change











As of April 15 my new address will be 9 Shalom Yehuda Street, Jerusalem. The phone number will be 972 02 671 6478. Email remains as is.

Amnon

The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. [...] 32238 50 17_One Flight for us16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:52:14 -0700571_iso-8859-1 A video by Haim Hecht on the bombing of Aushwitz.

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Interesting exchange of ideas.

Steve



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"Whole Foods Market" Supports KPFK Radio by Daryl Temkin, Ph.D. April 13, 2007

Recently I learned that the Whole Foods Market advertising dollar was supporting KPFK, the extreme leftist and anti-Israel radio station. I wrote a letter to the Whole Foods Company and informed them that KPFK promotes an ideology which is very upsetting to many of their supportive customers and I asked Whole Foods to review and reconsider how they invest their [...] 33232 209 54_Midwest Peace Breakthrough as British Marines Released13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:28:12 +0300456_windows-1255 Midwest Peace Breakthrough as British Marines Released



WALCOTT, IOWA - Clad in civilian Reeboks and Gem sweaters , clutching pink gift bags filled with hot Maid Rites and souvenir Herky the Hawkeye Beanie Babies, over three dozen smiling British Royal Marines waved for cameras and boarded a London-bound RAF bus this morning in the parking lot of Walcott's sprawling Iowa 80 Truck Stop . [...] 33442 495 62_Re: "Whole Foods Market Supporting KPFK Radio" by Daryl Temkin12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:17:46 -0700680_windows-1252 All that said, I'm glad to hear that a supermarket that I support also supports a radio station that I listen to. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 8:32:38 PM Subject: Fw: "Whole Foods Market Supporting KPFK Radio" by Daryl Temkin Interesting exchange of ideas. Steve Subject: Fw: "Whole Foods Market Supporting KPFK Radio" by Daryl Temkin The Israel Institute "Pivotal Thought" A Weekly Commentary on Contemporary Issues "Whole Foods Market" Supports KPFK Radio by Daryl Temkin, Ph.D. April 13, 2007 Recently I learned that the Whole Foods Market advertising [...] 33938 308 19_Fw: TAKE NOTICE !!!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:23:31 -0700492_iso-8859-1

This did not happen with my phone number, but it did with some friends and family.

Steve



Subject: Fw: TAKE NOTICE !!!



Google has implemented a new feature which enables you to type a telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and you will be given the person's name and address. If you then hit MapQuest, you will get a map to the person's house. Everyone should be aware of this! It's a nationwide reverse telephone book. [...] 34247 141 19_Re: TAKE NOTICE !!!12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:00:04 -0700445_ascii The "new" feature was not even new when Snopes last updated the page on this in 2005. http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/google.asp -Sharon



----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:23:31 AM Subject: Fw: TAKE NOTICE !!!





This did not happen with my phone number, but it did with some friends and family. [...] 34389 55 58_Re: Midwest Peace Breakthrough as British Marines Released0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:24:46 EDT557_US-ASCII Quite funny for Midwesterners!





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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon Gates Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:00 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: TAKE NOTICE !!! [...] 34753 132 24_Fw: Our Awesome Universe11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:15:47 -0700345_iso-8859-1 AOL Email Jewishness is only a small part of the enclosed. Don't bother to open this one if you are not moved by the greatness of the neighborhood we live in.

Steve



Subject: Our Awesome Universe



If you thought the Universe was awesome before, wait until you view these photos of outer space. [...] 34886 290 27_Anti-Semitic attacks up 50%13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:49:04 +0300422_windows-1255 Report: Anti-Semitic attacks up 50%

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Haviv Rettig, THE JERUSALEM POST Apr. 15, 2007 _____



Global anti-Semitism is spiraling upward, driven by xenophobia and cultural clashes in Europe and by increasingly virulent anti-Zionism in the Arab world, according to a comprehensive study of anti-Semitic incidents released by a Tel Aviv University research institute on Sunday. [...] 35177 204 49_Fw: UK Journalists' Union Votes to Boycott Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:47:29 -0700450_Windows-1252

Without comment.

Steve





UK Journalists' Union Votes to Boycott Israel, April 17, 2007

If any further proof was needed of the British media's inability to deal with Israel in an objective and fair manner, it arrived on 13 April as the UK's National Union of Journalists (NUJ) voted at its annual meeting for a boycott of Israeli goods as part of a protest against last year's Lebanon war. [...] 35382 218 21_Virginia Tech Tragedy0_13_jlcaa@AOL.COM31_Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:35:11 -0400407_utf-8 My oldest daughter is a junior at Univ of Wisconsin, in Madison. I thought members of this list might want to see how one university responded the events at Virginia Tech. Avi



Attached Message From:dean@odos.wisc.edu To:emailaddr@wiscmail.wisc.edu Subject:Virginia Tech Tragedy and Campus Safety Date:Tue, 17 Apr 2007 3:21 PM



UW-Madison students, faculty and staff: [...] 35601 308 29_HaAretz - The Kibbutz Returns16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:17:21 -0400650_us-ascii

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It shall return

By Avirama Golan

It wasn't only the prime minister and his wife who vacationed during Passover at a kibbutz in the North, and it isn't only tourism that is growing at the kibbutzim. The Kibbutz Movement's demographic growth department has its hands full sorting and accepting new applicants for membership. In 2001, 229 families and single individuals joined, in 2004 the number rose to 900 and the trend is continuing. [...] 35910 60 25_Re: Virginia Tech Tragedy11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM29_Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:05:44 EDT586_US-ASCII Thank you for sharing the events in Madison. I think the whole country is in shock. Where do we go from here. The holocust survivor who gave his life really shook me up. Sylvia





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I want to alert you to a powerful new piece by Habonim Alum (mosh) Rabbi Toba Spitzer in response to the violence this week at Virginia Tech. Given our violent society, she argues, how can we argue that this is a surprise or not understandable when our very own government uses violence so much. [...] 36007 112 70_Re: Powerful Piece by Haver Toba Spitzer "In the Wake of the Violence"11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:20:37 +0000350_us-ascii I was just saying to some people the other day, "Why is Bush complaining about the violence at Virginia Tech when he is responsible for far more deaths?"

BTW, it turns out speculation on my part was right-- the Westboro Baptist Church (of "God hates fags" fame) is planning on picketing at the funerals of the deceased students. [...] 36120 366 45_Fw: 50 Years Later, Recalling a Leap for Life11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:47:33 -0700619_Windows-1252

Steve



50 Years On, Recalling a Leap for Life By RAF CASERT

BOORTMEERBEEK, Belgium (AP) - In the dark amid the steam engine's hisses, Simon Gronowski snuggled against his mother on the straw of a cattle train packed with Jews bound for Auschwitz. Suddenly there were shrieks of brakes, shouts in German, and the rattle of gunfire. Outside, Robert Maistriau's fake stoplight had done its work and the Belgian resistance fighter forced open a car - letting 17 people out before he came under fire and was forced to flee with two accomplices. It was April 19, 1943, the only [...] 36487 326 54_A Social Justice Issue: Defying a Clan Code of Silence0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:01:46 EDT641_US-ASCII http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/20/world/middleeast/20honor.html

The New York Times April 20, 2007 Ramla Journal Defying a Clan Code of Silence on Unspeakable Crimes By ISABEL KERSHNER

RAMLA, Israel - The Abu Ghanem women are buried just inside the main gate of the old Muslim cemetery, eight in the last seven years.

Reem eloped with a lover to escape an arranged marriage. Her brothers, one a pediatrician, are on trial for murder. Sabrin rests under a bare concrete slab with her name roughly scratched on by hand. She is said to have been killed by a cousin whom she refused to marry. Shirihan, 15, the [...] 36814 821 14_Shalom Ireland16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:24:12 -0400399_ISO-8859-1

celtic knot

Shalom Ireland a documentary about IrelandEUR^(TM)s Jewish community

DVDs available When you make a contribution of $50 or more to the effort to distribute the film to public television stations, you will receive a complimentary DVD (for personal use only). Deconsecration ceremony to close Adelaide Road Synagogue, DublinEUR^(TM)s oldest temple. [...] 37636 28 49_Re: Fw: 50 Years Later, Recalling a Leap for Life12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:40:59 -0500519_UTF-8 Thanks for passing this along, Steve.

> It was April 19, 1943, the only documented case of resistance > fighters stopping a train to free Jews.

Interesting. That was also the date on which the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising began (on whose 20th anniversary I was born).

David

PS - I'm *very* confused about the title of this article (which isn't Steve's doing). The article was published by the Associated Press yesterday (4/19/2007), which was 64 years after 1943, not "50 years later." [...] 37665 23 42_Ma'ariv - Ben-Dror Yemini on Israeli Arabs16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:04:01 -0400591_us-ascii Ben-Dror Yemini is editorial page editor of Ma'ariv. Following is the url to his recent interesting article on the actual state of Israel's Arab citizens.

The article has been translated into English can can be found at:

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/571/620.html

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Shelly



On Apr 19, 2006, at 2:09 PM, Belinkoff, Dalia E. wrote:

> OK Habonim Alumni--Your HabonimDror Foundation friends want to know > about you too! We'd like to expand our data base of chaverim with > info like: which camp you attended (and when), which ken you were a > part of, what your name was then, which workshop or MB you attended, > and, most importantly, [...] 37739 1474 39_Where Are the Flags? Send In the Flags.16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:57:21 -0700536_iso-8859-1 Here is the newest Daniel Gordis article. Rozzie

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where Are the Flags? Send In the Flags. April 20, 2007 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





For a few days, I thought that perhaps I was misremembering. But as the days after Pesach continued to flow by, it was clear. Something was different. In years past, almost as soon as Pesach was over, the country would be festooned in blue and white. Flags fluttered from the windows of cars everywhere, and hung from the porches of buildings throughout the city. It seemed you couldn't stop at a single red light without someone trying to sell you a flag to [...] 41054 224 74_Chag Ha'atzmaut Sameach - Brad Burston says "Israel - Love it or Leave It"0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:19:41 -0400496_us-ascii Israel - Love it or leave it



By Bradley Burston (Ha'aretz)



I am one of the lucky ones. I live here.

Every day, I receive a letter from someone telling me to leave the country. Day in and day out, someone takes the trouble to tell me that I don't belong here. Once a day, someone from Texas, or Ramallah, from a settlement in Samaria or from Boro Park in Brooklyn, finds the energy and the need to let me know that I have no business being here. [...] 41279 224 78_Re: Chag Ha'atzmaut Sameach - Brad Burston says "Israel - Love it or Leave It"12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:33:17 +0200564_us-ascii Ken Thanks for forwarding Brad's toataly liberating honesty. We need it these days. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:25 pm Subject: Chag Ha'atzmaut Sameach - Brad Burston says "Israel - Love it or Leave It" To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Israel - Love it or leave it > > > By Bradley Burston (Ha'aretz) > > > I am one of the lucky ones. I live here. > > Every day, I receive a letter from someone telling me to leave the > country. Day in and day out, someone takes the trouble to tell [...] 41504 139 18_After Memorial Day12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:02:59 +0200598_windows-1252 Haverim/ot On the eve of Yom Hazikaron, Galei Tzahal - The Army Radio station broadcast a poem by Amnon Shamush I had never come across. It gripped me and took time to digest and translate.

THE UNWRITTEN POEM The unwritten poem about a bereaved mother Will remain forever unwritten . All the mourners shall remain mute. The unwritten poem About the father whose world is demolished Shall never be written. His son left only an unwritten note About the young woman who loved him secretly And secretly wrote him such a brief poem. And the young brother, unwritten along with [...] 41644 176 52_=?iso-8859-8?Q?=FA=F9=E5=E1=E4:?= After Memorial Day13_David Greener25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:20:41 +0300394_utf-8 Amnon, I believe the full poem (or a longer poem along the same theme) was recited by Dan Kaner at the ceremony at the Kotel - I agree, it was very moving. I'd never heard it before. Trudy

----- הודעה מקורית ----- מאת: amnon hadary תאריך: יום ד', אפריל 25, 2007 18:57 ושא: After Memorial Day אל: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 41821 105 73_[QUAR] Re: =?UTF-8?Q?=D7=AA=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=91=D7=94:?= After Memorial Day16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:32:05 -0700347_iso-8859-1 I heard it as well. Can someone post it as an RTF document or a Word document? Rozzie

David Greener wrote: Amnon, I believe the full poem (or a longer poem along the same theme) was recited by Dan Kaner at the ceremony at the Kotel - I agree, it was very moving. I'd never heard it before. Trudy [...] 41927 110 67_Re: [QUAR] Re: =?iso-8859-8?Q?=FA=F9=E5=E1=E4:?= After Memorial Day12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:37:19 +0200591_utf-8 Rozzie Will you be surprised if I tell you that I don't know what an RTF document is. I'll try to google the Hebrew text. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalind Barland Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:15 pm Subject: [QUAR] Re: תשובה: After Memorial Day To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> I heard it as well. > Can someone post it as an RTF document or a Word document? > Rozzie > > David Greener wrote: > Amnon, > I believe the full poem (or a longer poem along the same theme) > was recited by Dan Kaner at [...] 42038 57 35_Complete Text of The Unwritten Poem12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:06:16 +0200528_iso-8859-8 /

, , - , , , , , , ... , ' [...] 42096 98 39_Re: Complete Text of The Unwritten Poem16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:28:09 -0700563_iso-8859-1 Amnon, A blessing on your head. Rozzie

amnon hadary wrote: /

, , - , , , , , , [...] 42195 105 39_Re: Complete Text of The Unwritten Poem12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:28:00 -0700542_iso-8859-1 I have Hebrew fonts on my computer- but this came out as gibberish- Any chance for a transliteration???- sue



--- Rosalind Barland wrote:

> Amnon, A blessing on your head. > Rozzie > > amnon hadary wrote: > / > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] 42301 150 39_Re: Complete Text of The Unwritten Poem16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:04:49 -0700823_iso-8859-1 Try encoding and choose one of the Hebrew options. Mine came through fine. Rozzie

Sue Liberman wrote: I have Hebrew fonts on my computer- but this came out as gibberish- Any chance for a transliteration???- sue



--- Rosalind Barland wrote:

> Amnon, A blessing on your head. > Rozzie > > amnon hadary wrote: > ���� ��� ���� / ����� ���� > > ���� ��� ���� �� ��� ������ > �� ����� ����� > �������� ���� ����� �� ���� > ���� ��� ���� > �� ��� ������ ��� > �� ����� ����� > ��� ����� ����� �� �� > [...] 42452 377 38_How the Media Partnered With Hezbollah13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:36:21 +0300643_us-ascii

How the Media Partnered With Hezbollah: Harvard's Cautionary Report

Frida Ghitis | Bio | 22 Apr 2007 World Politics Watch Exclusive

While the war between Israel and Hezbollah raged in Lebanon and Israel last summer, it became clear that media coverage had itself started to play an important role in determining the ultimate outcome of that war. It seemed clear that news coverage would affect the course of the conflict. And it quickly transpired that Hezbollah would become the beneficiary of the media's manipulation. [...] 42830 56 53_piss off a conservative: show compassion for the BORN11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:48:11 +0000438_us-ascii Check this out. I'm debating this guy on youtube. You can see the video/thread here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYV46OvOkHw#ZwjBSMk-Uu4

This guy thinks abortion is never justified-- not even in the extreme case of a pregnant 9 year old who was raped and could die if she doesn't get an abortion. I also brought in the population factor as an issue-- he thinks there's enough room in Texas to fit the whole world! [...] 42887 113 57_Re: piss off a conservative: show compassion for the BORN14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:55:28 +0200444_iso-8859-1 If he thinks that Texas is big enough for the overpopulated world, ask him about border control.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Esris To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:48 PM Subject: piss off a conservative: show compassion for the BORN



Check this out. I'm debating this guy on youtube. You can see the video/thread here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYV46OvOkHw#ZwjBSMk-Uu4 [...] 43001 158 57_Re: piss off a conservative: show compassion for the BORN11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:37:29 +0000462_us-ascii Oh, it gets better. Read the thread.

Good thing he's not here and good thing I don't have my combat boots on. Boy, he needs my bootprint on his butt!

No, I wouldn't really do that; I don't believe in violence, although it is tempting...

JE

----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family Date: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:35 pm Subject: Re: piss off a conservative: show compassion for the BORN To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 43160 33 38_Parashat K=?windows-1252?Q?=92doshim?=12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:31:47 +0200627_utf-8 פרשת קדושים Except for events like Tisha b’Av and the commemoration of the various stages we “commemorate” of the stages that lead up to Rome’s defeat of the Jewish state at the end of the Second Commonwealth, we behave pretty much like a normal people. But come spring we go absolutely bi-polar. There’s Holocaust Day paired with Yom Ha’Atzmaut. Then in another square dance, Yom Ha’Atzmaut is paired with Memorial Day. You can’t have one without the other - it seems. This week’s Parasha has a replay of the schizoid. It pairs Acharei Mot (After Their Death) with K’doshim (Martyrs): [...] 43194 141 20_Re: Parashat Kdoshim12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:03:25 -0700535_iso-8859-1 Dear Amnon- I could never bare the loss of a child, nor would I pretend to understand the pain; but I feel as if Oren's loss was particularly difficult for those of us who knew him- because of his love of life and his energy and the beauty of his soul. But what I feel is that in his loss, the memory makes a strong statement, and precisely in this schizophrenic time of pride and pain, the Jewish soul is revealed. We do not just flaunt victory- but- as in the Haggadah and what it teaches us--"ki'ilu" is the lesson- [...] 43336 326 21_Times Argus - May Day16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:03:12 -0400716_us-ascii Times Argus This is a printer friendly version of an article from www.timesargus.com To print this article open the file menu and choose Print.



------------------------------------------------------------------------ Article published Apr 26, 2007 Mass amnesia makes Americans forget the story behind May Day

May Day: The holiday of the workers. In days gone by, when men, women and children often worked 10 or more hours a day, seven days a week, May Day was an assertion on the part of wage-slaves that they were sovereign human beings with control over their own lives and destinies. They celebrated the day with marches [...] 43663 243 25_Re: Times Argus - May Day12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:55:13 +0200419_us-ascii Elihu, Thanks for forwarding this article. Recalling an old mindset, sounding so oldfashioned, it challenges us to dust off the put down of "passe."The talmudic insight of our sages "sadna de-arra" - is usefull here Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" Date: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:08 am Subject: Times Argus - May Day To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 43907 176 50_for all of us who were once kibbutzniks-or are now5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 10:22:51 +0200606_windows-1255

[aviva] [deang@netvision.net.il] Has sent you an article from Haaretz The URL is http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/853140.html











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----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liberman Date: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:08 am Subject: Re: Parashat Kdoshim To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Dear Amnon- I could never bare the loss of a child, > nor would I pretend to understand the pain; but I feel > as if Oren's loss was particularly difficult for those > of us who knew him- because of his love of life and > his energy and the beauty of his soul. But what I feel > is that [...] 44249 95 25_Re: Times Argus - May Day13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:58:42 -0400456_iso-8859-1 Finally a whiff of true international, democratic, working-class socialism goes through for a fleeting moment in Habonet. ___ |Y| ^^^ ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: Times Argus - May Day



Times Argus This is a printer friendly version of an article from www.timesargus.com To print this article open the file menu and choose Print. [...] 44345 117 43_Re: Where Are the Flags? Send In the Flags.11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:12:58 -0400322_iso-8859-1

I realize it is one line out of (very) many, but it seems like a gross misreading of our people's long history of survival?

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Elihu D. Davison To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Where Are the Flags? Send In the Flags. [...] 44463 156 20_Re: Parashat Kdoshim11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 28 Apr 2007 22:25:16 -0400579_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Parashat Kdoshim



> Dear Amnon- I could never bare the loss of a child, > nor would I pretend to understand the pain; but I feel > as if Oren's loss was particularly difficult for those > of us who knew him- because of his love of life and > his energy and the beauty of his soul. But what I feel > is that in his loss, the memory makes a strong > statement, and precisely in this schizophrenic time [...] 44620 165 20_Re: Parashat Kdoshim12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:56:26 +0200395_windows-1252 Noam, What a treat the Robert Wright piece you sent. If I could write like that I would. And you, with the pithy (no, Im not lisping) one liners you attach are a breath of fresh air in these parts Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: Re: Parashat Kdoshim [...] 44786 25 49_Letting it All Hang Out was, Where Are the Flags?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:25:07 +0200581_windows-1252 Haverot/im I live on the third floor and my computer sits against the living room window. The vista through the window is the back of a three story building. When I look up from the keyboard I see 15 kitchen porches where most people of the neighboring house hang their wash. Talk about not doing your laundry in public. You can learn a lot about your neighbors from their laundry: the colors they prefer: both outerwear and under, whether they are very orthodox (the talit kattan with its four fringes is a giveaway.) Do they favor jeans, white sox, monogrammed [...] 44812 79 53_Re: Letting it All Hang Out was, Where Are the Flags?11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM29_Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:37:50 EDT544_US-ASCII Amnon, I live in a community of 60,000 people and come and go all the time. I've learned about people just by looking at those who sit on the benches all the time and complain. There is so much good that people can do if they would just get off their....and volunteer but everyone wants to get paid for what they do. So it's not just the the clothes they wear........it's sometimes just by looking at people. Everyone waits for someone else to do it. On holidays, you can see many flags flying but the same people would not think [...] 44892 271 57_Apri 3 Ha'Aretz - Animal Sacrifice: Forward to Antiquity?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:32:38 -0400639_us-ascii



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Court nixes Passover lamb sacrifice at Temple Mount

By Nadav Shargai and Amiram Barkat

In their efforts to sacrifice a live animal at the Temple Mount, the New Sanhedrin Council adopted an almost underground modus operandi. Rabbis Adin Steinsaltz, Israel Ariel, Yishai Baved and their associates secretly located a butcher, found a Cohen hailing from a lineage 1,000 years old and worked out a plan to quickly erect an alter on the Temple Mount. [...] 45164 146 14_Not Pedestrian12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:36:28 +0200569_windows-1252 Haverim/ot

I walk a lot lately and almost every day discover things I hadnt noticed in more than 36 car driving years in Jerusalem. Today, literally around the corner from where I live I looked at the large windowless phone company installation really looked. Early on I had noticed that it had a large, mostly blue mosaic covering the front of the building. Today I noticed that there is also an inscription running beneath the whole length of the mosaic. Its from Genesis 9 13 I have set My rainbow in the clouds, and it shall serve as a [...]