1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet March 2007 2 423 17_Look what I found12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:52:45 +0200611_windows-1252 I googeld Degania and came up with this 1960 piece by Nahum Guttman I'll have more to add in a couple pf days HECHALUTZ IN AMERICA

It was during the last two decades of the nineteenth century that groups of prospective settlers in Palestine were formed in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and San Francisco; their ultimate fate is unknown. In that era, America welcomed a stream of emigrants from Russia, the Am Olam, who sought to become farmers in this country and actually laid the foundation for Jewish farm settlements in New Jersey and elsewhere. Am Olam far outnumbered the Biluim, who [...] 426 27 11_PS from sue12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:08:28 -0800618_iso-8859-1 As I sit here emailing, the radio is playing "Bechiyuchim" ( from the Warlock Suite....synchronicity!!!





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Subject: Fw: Law & Order: Criminal Intent "30"





from my brother, Albert







Subject: Law & Order: Criminal Intent "30"



Sue and I watched L&O: Criminal Intent last night and were blindsided by the anti-Israel propaganda. Just about all incarnations of L&Os contain left wing propaganda but this was the first out-and-out attack on Israel. The producer is another Jew in the ranks of leftist anti-American, anti-Israel Jews who [...] 956 157 15_Re: Purim Torah12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:05:08 +0200621_us-ascii Rozzie you have an unsuspected funny bone. Thanks for this Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalind Barland Date: Thursday, March 1, 2007 7:42 pm Subject: Purim Torah To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Just thought to share a little Purim Torah. I can't take credit > for > this. These were taken from the LOOKJED list (a usually quite > serious > Jewish educators list and resource) and can be found in the archives: > http://www.lookstein.org/lookjed > There were more goodies in the pre-purim issue; this is just a > taste... > Happy Purim, > > III. Gemara Menukad > > [...] 1114 554 41_Fw: Fw: Law & Order: Criminal Intent "30"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:33:19 -0800457_iso-8859-1

H-m-m-m-m-m-m

Nut jobs"

"Crazy right wingers"

"Crazy paranoid rants"

Excuse me for asking, Richard, but are these examples of name-calling? You see, I don't think viciousness, narrowmindedness and apoplexy belong on Habonet, but do I say anything? Somehow, I continue to believe in the good hearts of most people, and realize there may be a delicate, (as in "ready to snap") but sparse, fringe out there. [...] 1669 299 38_Fear as a Terrorist's Force Multiplier16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:29:06 -0800649_iso-8859-1 Psychosomatic Responses: Fear as a Terrorist's Force Multiplier

By Fred Burton

French police wearing hazmat suits ordered the evacuation of the Canadian Embassy in Paris (and the surrounding neighborhood) on Feb. 19 after an employee who opened a suspicious package suddenly fell ill. The package contained a piece of tissue soaked in a liquid that was later found to be nontoxic. On the same day, two workers at the Zondervan Christian publishing company in Cascade Township, Michigan, got sick after opening a suspicious package in the mailroom. The building was evacuated, and one of the employees was rushed to the [...] 1969 314 22_[BULK] Green Chemistry16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:30:50 -0800437_iso-8859-1 REACH and the Move toward Green Chemistry By Kathleen Morson

The U.S. Commerce Department held the first of several regional "REACH Roadshows" for U.S. businesses in Charlotte, N.C., on Feb. 27. The aim of the seminars is to educate companies on how to comply with REACH -- Registration, Evaluation and Authorization of Chemicals -- the European Union's sweeping new chemicals regulation that takes effect June 1. [...] 2284 80 90_SFGate: Israeli song upsets European pop contest/Organizers say lyrics cross into politics5_Batel25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:12:12 -0800541_iso-8859-1 Tlught this might be of interest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SFGate. The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/03/MNGGPOERLC1.DTL --------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, March 3, 2007 (SF Chronicle) Israeli song upsets European pop contest/Organizers say lyrics cross into politics Steven Erlanger, New York Times [...] 2365 80 90_SFGate: Israeli song upsets European pop contest/Organizers say lyrics cross into politics5_Batel25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:12:31 -0800541_iso-8859-1 Thught this might be of interest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This article was sent to you by someone who found it on SFGate. The original article can be found on SFGate.com here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/03/03/MNGGPOERLC1.DTL --------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, March 3, 2007 (SF Chronicle) Israeli song upsets European pop contest/Organizers say lyrics cross into politics Steven Erlanger, New York Times [...] 2446 161 56_Did Cheney Allow Or Order 9/11 Plane To Strike Pentagon?11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:43:40 -0700360_us-ascii Steve K,

Any idea why Rabbi Lerner hates Amerika? Does he hate The Jewish State(tm) too? Please pass a long any dirt you may have on him so I can dismiss the stuff he prints in his rag Tikkun, "a bimonthly Jewish critique of Politics, Culture & Society." Can we safely call him a self-hating Jew? Meshugah? Playing with a crooked dreidel? [...] 2608 123 40_Deganya =?windows-1252?Q?=96?= Ben Simon12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:35:31 +0200574_windows-1252

Haverot/im, I wanted to relate to the informative / troubling piece by Ben Simon about the privatization of Deganya that Roz Barland posted. He is a fine journalist, so it was no surprise that it was a good piece. But theres always a but isnt there. I have a number of qualifications about some of his stresses and some about what has been left unsaid. So Scheherazade-like or maybe more like Marx, first some numbers. In 2006 the aggregate income of kibbutzim grew by 10% continuing a three year trend. That is a reversal of the trend for the [...] 2732 187 44_NYT - NJ Synagogue Meddles in Foreign Policy16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:02:25 -0500510_us-ascii The New York Times



------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 4, 2007 New Jersey



Meddling in Foreign Policy

It's exactly what Israel and the Palestinians do not need at this volatile time. We are talking about the attempt at a New Jersey synagogue to interest American Jews in putting up money for new or existing homes in Israeli settlements on the West Bank and perhaps moving there themselves. [...] 2920 115 25_Deganya - the 'bad' guys?12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:47:42 +0200571_windows-1255 HABONET Digest - 3 Mar 2007 to 4 Mar 2007 (#2007-60)Well folks, I'm coming out of the closet to say that Nina Ben-Moshe, Yuval (my husband)'s beloved aunt (Yuval's father was born in Degania in 1928 - fought there in the War of Ind.; Nina is his baby sister); the grandfather was principal of the regional highschool until his ex-wife had him kicked off the kibbutz in the 40s for having an affair with one of the teachers(!)) - spearheaded this change. Nina is current director of Degania's Senior Home and has been active all her life in the cultural [...] 3036 79 29_Re: Deganya - the 'bad' guys?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:44:11 +0200594_us-ascii what is nahafochu? Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Bonn Date: Monday, March 5, 2007 9:00 am Subject: Deganya - the 'bad' guys? To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> HABONET Digest - 3 Mar 2007 to 4 Mar 2007 (#2007-60)Well folks, > I'm coming out of the closet to say that Nina Ben-Moshe, Yuval (my > husband)'s beloved aunt (Yuval's father was born in Degania in > 1928 - fought there in the War of Ind.; Nina is his baby sister); > the grandfather was principal of the regional highschool until his > ex-wife had him kicked off the kibbutz in [...] 3116 277 55_[QUAR] RE: NYT - NJ Synagogue Meddles in Foreign Policy28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter20_habesor@SMILE.NET.IL30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:44:38 +0200576_windows-1250 Elihu,

I happen to believe that the greater part of the settlement enterprize is a huge waste of resources that could be put to far better use elsewhere in the state. I also happen to believe that "Greater Israel", meaning the annexation of all of the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan, is not good idea for the Jewish nation or the State of Israel. However, I do not believe that any evidence exists that increased settlements have any effect on a desire for peace among the Palestinians and is therefore, at best, a marginal issue in the peace process. [...] 3394 354 17_Synagogue Meddles12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:34:38 +0200512_utf-8 Efraim I believe that one ought to look a bit higher than the safety of our derrieres and consider the welfare of our souls. Beyond the importance of geographic lebensraum there's pardon my french and my german a Jewish consideration of "tzedek, tzedek tirdof" . Please keep writing Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Michal and Efraim Perlmutter Date: Monday, March 5, 2007 2:27 pm Subject: [QUAR] RE: NYT - NJ Synagogue Meddles in Foreign Policy To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 3749 170 45_Re: Fw: Fw: Law & Order: Criminal Intent "30"13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:23:43 -0800355_iso-8859-1 Yes Steve, it is name-calling (at least the crazy right wingers comment, the description of the paranoid rant is actually a completely accurate description of the crap you sent). When you send in a rant about a TV show which for some reason draws a connection between "Law and Order" and Karl Marx I think the word "crazy" is appropriate. [...] 3920 133 24_Fw: Fw: Verdi - Traviata11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:46:19 -0800799_iso-8859-1

Not Jewish, not Israel, but way too good not to share with you.

Steve

Subject: Fw: Verdi - Traviata (speakers)

Brilliant !!!





http://www.milki-fun.com/sirtonim/Verdi%20-%20Traviata.htm











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I thought it meant "au contrair", or "to the contrary". Jessica may have wanted to use it as "How about that for turning the tables".

Steve

----- Original Message ----- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 11:44 PM Subject: Re: Deganya - the 'bad' guys?



what is nahafochu? Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Bonn Date: Monday, March 5, 2007 9:00 am Subject: Deganya - the 'bad' guys? To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 4310 428 52_Fw: PURIM in DACHAU, March 18, 1945 - Purim Sameach!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:09:44 -0800591_Windows-1252

----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Steve Klein Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: Fw: PURIM in DACHAU, March 18, 1945 - Purim Sameach!





With the approaching Purim I am sending to all my friends my Purim story; Purim in Dachau.

I wrote it in order commemorate my perished friends who were murdered by the Nazis. It is part of the Holocaust that shows us not only as victims, but Jews with faith and spirit under the worst possible circumstances. Please send it on. Best regards and Purim sameach, Solly Ganor [...] 4739 88 17_Degania reversals12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:53:13 +0200554_windows-1255 HABONET Digest - 4 Mar 2007 to 5 Mar 2007 (#2007-61)v'Nahafoch - hu; perhaps the culprit is my very literal transliteration. In any case: ...V'ha-chodesh asher nehepach lahem miyagon l'simcha, ume-evel lyom tov. (Esther 9:22)

- Jessie

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> HABONET Digest - 4 Mar 2007 to 5 Mar 2007 (#2007-61)v'Nahafoch - > hu; perhaps the culprit is my very literal transliteration. In any > case: ...V'ha-chodesh asher nehepach lahem miyagon l'simcha, ume- > evel lyom tov. (Esther 9:22) > > - Jessie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > [...] 4901 4009 38_transitions on the kibbutz was Degania12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:15:08 +0200448_us-ascii A.D. Gordon = He hit the nail on the head Second Driver is = M&Ms Mother&Metapelet Transition = Occupational mobility for the Haverot Amnon

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What Is CAIR Afraid Of?



INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 3/6/2007

Politics And Islam: The first Secular Islam Summit was a success if for no other reason than it intimidated the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the PR machine of militant Islam.

The Washington-based group that boycotts airlines and bullies radio personalities and politicians into toeing the Islamist line is clearly worried about the message from Muslim reformers. [...] 9230 29 30_A PS to Israel Film Festival--12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:08:47 -0800493_iso-8859-1 As Sasha Baron Cohen was leaving the dinner, we approached him--and a few of my "cohorts" yelled out "ALEI UV"NEI"--he turned and gave us a huge smile and a "high five"......it was a "cool" moment....sue





____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 [...] 9260 68 36_Re: Israeli Film Festival Gala---wow11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:33:36 -0500338_UTF-8 It is incredible to have seen the Israeli film industry evolve. In the mid-'70s I had the opportunity to be work with several production, which among other things used my house as an office, rented my car to be used as a prop, and basically, was one where many of us worked for free just to get the opportunity to be involved. [...] 9329 98 38_from the JTA - Habonim Alum Makes Good0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:57:18 -0500438_us-ascii Reconstructionists tap lesbian rabbi Print News Brief E-mail News Brief Tell the Editors

The Reconstructionist movement tapped a lesbian rabbi to head its Rabbinical Association. Rabbi Toba Spitzer of West Newton, Mass., is to be formally elected at the movement's March 11-14 convention.

In a press release Tuesday, the movement highlighted Spitzer's sexuality in addition to her qualifications for the post. [...] 9428 50 42_Re: from the JTA - Habonim Alum Makes Good0_14_Ohanka@AOL.COM28_Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:48:25 EST515_US-ASCII So what's her Habonim connection Ken? Hank Albert



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-----Original Message----- From: Ohanka@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: from the JTA - Habonim Alum Makes Good



So what's her Habonim connection Ken? Hank Albert



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Given free rein, in the end they'd ruin Judaism as well, replacing it with their own belief system. If the rest of us would only let them. [...] 9831 34 14_Re: Josie Katz12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:10:03 -0800477_iso-8859-1 One of the films in this year's Israel Film Festival is a documentary called "Etzli Hakol B'seder"- a documentary about Josie Katz ( from 9th or 10th workshop!) which documents her life in Israel as a rising singing snesation in Israel ....won best documentary in the 2006 Israeli Academy Awards.....I will definitely be seeing this one---I saw "Sweet Mud" ( or "Adamah Meshuga'at" last night- would love to have a dialogue about it with anyone interested--Sue [...] 9866 59 14_Re: Josie Katz0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:30:31 EST592_US-ASCII am going to see it out here in the west Valley next week. After reading about what it is I wonder. Do you recommend it? Ellen


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--- Emabear@AOL.COM wrote:

> am going to see it out here in the west Valley next > week. After reading > about what it is I wonder. Do you recommend it? > Ellen >


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Things have slowed down here lately on Habonet, so I thought I would post a rather lengthy letter written by Jamie Beran, a member of the national Habonim Dror mazkirut. I asked for permission from Jamie to post it here as I think it does a good job of informing you about the current status of Habonim Dror as well as touch upon the latest political controversy related to the UPZ campus group that were mentioned here a couple of months ago. Just to provide you with some context, she is responding to an article by Jerusalem Post [...] 10611 63 14_Global warming13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:17:53 +0200527_us-ascii http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&q=The+Great+Glob al+Warming+Swindle&hl=en

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I have stop posting on Habonet precisely because of this type of right wing lies. What a shame. [...] 10751 73 33_Help needed - place to stay in DC0_25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:57:38 +0200485_ISO-8859-1 Shalom Habonet,

Throwing out the Habo-net!

My son is moving from NY to DC this week to start a new job. He is looking for a temporary place to stay while he looks for an apartment. He'll be coming to visit us in Israel at the end of the month for Pesach, so ideally he could use these couple of weeks to find someplace that he can move into when he gets back. Needs to be close/on the metro line. Any ideas, please write Ami Greener at mooch3@hotmail.com [...] 10825 69 18_Re: Global warming17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:37:32 -0600571_us-ascii Jon, If you argue that global warming is a hoax are you also saying that you are in favor of air pollution? Here in America the largest corporate polluters are also the most vociferous in their opposition to reducing green house gas emissions. Even if global warming has absolutely nothing to do with human activity, what are the dangers in reducing emissions? Perhaps people on both sides of the global warming /political/ debate can agree that we all oppose air pollution. This is the only atmosphere we have. Who among us does not like to breathe? Shawn [...] 10895 92 18_Re: Global warming12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:57:56 -0700634_iso-8859-1 It has also been shown that reducing pollution saves companies money both short and long term. Even the most anti-capitalist among us would likely be in favor of reducing costs. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Shawn Eli Barland To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:37:32 PM Subject: Re: Global warming Jon, If you argue that global warming is a hoax are you also saying that you are in favor of air pollution? Here in America the largest corporate polluters are also the most vociferous in their opposition to reducing green house gas emissions. Even if global warming [...] 10988 71 18_Re: Global warming12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:30:33 -0700380_iso-8859-1 Why are people assuming Jon agrees with this video, and why are people so quick to attack???? Too bad, Sam, you feel you have to "quit posting" because you think someone has a different view from yours....I thought this is a democracy, and people have a right to their own opinions, I applaud Jon for posting that video- it goes to show you what's out there...sue [...] 11060 52 9_Sweet Mud28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter20_habesor@SMILE.NET.IL31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:32:37 +0200335_iso-8859-1 Sue,

I saw Sweet Mud at the Sderot Cinemateque a few weeks ago. The film was written and directed by Dror Shaul, who grew up in Kibbutz Kissufim, where much of the film was shot. One of the few advantages of living in rural Israel is that when something happens in your area, just about everyone knows about it. [...] 11113 653 99_Fw: Tacoma police fire tear gas, rubber bullets at sitting protesters singing "Give Peace a Chance"11_David Sokal14_dsokal@MSN.COM31_Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:54:39 -0800582_iso-8859-1 Tacoma police fire tear gas, rubber bullets at sitting proHi Everyone,

My friend Paul in Arcata CA informed me in the email below of what is happening in Tacoma with a group of people protesting the Iraq war by marching at the port where soldiers and equipment are being shipped to Iraq. Complicated sentence, complicated world. Someone in Arcata, CA has to tell someone in Seattle, WA what people from Olympia, Tacoma, Seattle, Vancouver BC and elsewhere are doing to stop people from all over the US from going to Iraq to fight in a war that somehow we are [...] 11767 162 18_Re: Global warming13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:28:36 +0200489_us-ascii Dear Shawn,

No, of course not, that isn't what I'm saying. Nor is the film. I'm fine with emission controls, re-forestation, not hunting whales, soil conservation, etc. What I'm against is bad science and mass hysteria, like the kind that gets you compared to holocaust deniers when you question a theory. Human-caused global warming is just that: a theory and a theory which is based solely on computer models. I don't think that anyone is in favor of air pollution. [...] 11930 177 18_Re: Global warming17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:52:01 -0600303_us-ascii And that is my point. If we are all for cleaning up the atmosphere, what is the difference what our individual motivations are? Taking action against greenhouse gas emissions benefits us all even if the theory is wrong. Taking no action harms us all - especially if the theory is correct. [...] 12108 144 18_Re: Global warming0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:01:33 EDT556_US-ASCII

Shawn. Jon is not arguing. He is not engaging in an argument. He is making an attack on science and scientists and spreading what any decent person knows now to be lies. To engage with him on this in any way give some respectability to the shameless crap he is posting. There is no scientific debate on global warming in the sense Jon is posing it. Its over. Even many corporations have fallen in line as have some Bush officials. The debate is over from a rational point of view. What there is left is an ugly and vicious propaganda [...] 12253 156 18_Re: Global warming0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:18:35 EDT589_US-ASCII





For those who had any doubt about the toxic intentions of Jon Baum read below. Jon's attacks are not on global warming the are on science as a whole which he calls expansively "bad science" (He has not sent us to a series of verifiable scientific articles, but to a crude propaganda film) His statement that "Global warming is just a theory" is a patently bad understanding of what science is. All science is theory. Gravity is a theory too. ( I would not recommend jumping out 10th story window to see if the theory is correct) The scientific debate [...] 12410 341 18_Re: Global warming13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:36:05 +0200621_us-ascii Shawn,

Because the anti human-caused global warming movement is anti-development, anti-capitalism and generally anti-American. This movement has become an ideology and a belief system. The amount of CO2 that humans release into the atmosphere is minute compared to that of the oceans and volcanoes. It makes no sense, for instance, to retard development in the third world to cut down on gasses that aren't causing any harm. It makes no sense to allow countries like China and India of pollute as much as they want while Americans are supposed to not build anymore power plants. It makes no sense to [...] 12752 186 26_Passover Haggadah Abridged16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:45:31 -0400500_us-ascii The Two-Minute Haggadah A Passover service for the impatient. By Michael Rubiner

Opening prayers:

Thanks, God, for creating wine. (Drink wine.)

Thanks for creating produce. (Eat parsley.)

Overview: Once we were slaves in Egypt. Now we're free. That's why we're doing this.

Four questions: 1. What's up with the matzoh? 2. What's the deal with horseradish? 3. What's with the dipping of the herbs? 4. What's this whole slouching at the table business? [...] 12939 239 30_Re: Passover Haggadah Abridged13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:52:42 +0200410_us-ascii Ah yes. The old "they tried to kill us, we won, let's eat" mantra.

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Elihu D. Davison Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Passover Haggadah Abridged



The Two-Minute Haggadah A Passover service for the impatient. By Michael Rubiner [...] 13179 256 18_Re: Global warming12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:19:19 -0700627_iso-8859-1 Allow me to point out calmly and rationally that the first sentence of Jon's reply is exactly the kind of name-calling people have been decrying on this list of late. I consider myself in the camp that Jon labels as "anti human-caused global warming", but I also consider myself to be pro-intelligent development, anti-uncontrolled capitalism, and pro-American. Since it only takes one counter-example to disprove (trust me on this, I have 2 degrees in mathematics), this makes Jon's entire characterization false. For the sake of argument, I will grant that it may not make sense to retard development. But to [...] 13436 53 48_Re: Global warming - nuclear options and Galileo11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:09:44 -0400458_us-ascii ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:36:05 +0200 >From: Jonathan Baum >Subject: Re: Global warming >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > > Shawn, > > Because the anti human-caused global warming > movement is anti-development, anti-capitalism and > generally anti-American. .... You would think > that the people who believe in global warming would > be in favor of nuclear power but for some reason > they are not. [...] 13490 87 18_Re: Global warming13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:19:21 -0700644_iso-8859-1 From my limited experience, those who use the phrase, "it's only a theory," have no idea what a theory is; after all gravity is "only a theory." I suppose Jon also opposes evolutionary theory because it's, "only a theory."

Jonathan Baum wrote: Dear Shawn,

No, of course not, that isn't what I'm saying. Nor is the film. I'm fine with emission controls, re-forestation, not hunting whales, soil conservation, etc. What I'm against is bad science and mass hysteria, like the kind that gets you compared to holocaust deniers when you question a theory. Human-caused global warming is just that: [...] 13578 124 18_Re: Global warming13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:25:13 -0700544_iso-8859-1 I applaud Jon for opposing anti-Americanism. Thank you Jon. Perhaps you will lead the fight against those people who claim allegiance to another country but still insist on voting in American elections?

Of course what is most humorous is that even though we know nothing about the science of global warming and are incapable of arguing intelligently about it we know what view we'll have on it by our views on the war in Iraq. Against the war = global warming is correct, for the war + global warming is "only a theory." [...] 13703 99 48_Re: Global warming - nuclear options and Galileo13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:07:18 +0200579_us-ascii Interesting points Noam. I'm pretty sure that any safety problems with nuclear power can be dealt with. My guess is that some new technologies can be developed to help with the transportation and storage issues. In the mean time, it is really the only viable way to produce electricity in usable amounts that doesn't involve fossil fuels or damming rivers and doesn't produce greenhouse gases as a result. As for it all being a terrorist target, you could make that argument for almost any kind of industrial installation that uses volatile or hazardous materials. [...] 13803 74 18_Re: Global warming0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:34:53 -0400581_us-ascii



-----The scientists who are under attack for not believing in an idea are the ones who don't accept the theory. They are the Galileos of today.

Actually Jon is the trying to discredit all of the world's scientists. Jon knows nothing and cares less about the science. His grasp on the policy issues is shaky. That he even has the guts to tell these lies in public is scary. The scientific debate happens in a particular way that Jon does not grasp or care about. Jon making these statements in public is enough to make one's blood run cold. The [...] 13878 241 103_Re: Fw: Tacoma police fire tear gas, rubber bullets at sitting protesters singing "Give Peace a Chance"12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:23 -0700368_iso-8859-1 Interesting, David--Someone in my office who had just seen the Lennon documentary stated that the government put wires on his phone and tabs on his whereabouts because they were "afraid" of his song, "Give Peace a Chance"....now it seems, they had good reason for their fear....funny how such an honorable "wish" gets knocked down by governments...sue [...] 14120 69 18_Re: Global warming12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:09:50 -0700552_iso-8859-1 Sam- you give those of us with some brains no credit- You are ever the "drama queen"--sue



--- smfgrappa@AOL.COM wrote:

> > > -----The scientists who are under attack for not > believing in an idea are the ones who don't accept > the theory. They are the Galileos of today. > > Actually Jon is the trying to discredit all of the > world's scientists. Jon knows nothing and cares less > about the science. His grasp on the policy issues is > shaky. That he even has the guts to tell these lies > in public is scary. [...] 14190 255 18_Re: Global warming13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@NYCAP.RR.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:55:40 -0500577_us-ascii Hello all,

I had the chance to study global warming more from a policy perspective than from a scientific perspective but there are a few issues that need clarification.

First the greenhouse effect is the atmosphere's ability to trap some of the head from the sun and make it possible for us to live here on earth. Global warming as a debate is really about the human intervention that is changing our environment. It is a fact that gases such as carbon dioxide cause the atmosphere to trap heat. The more carbon dioxide in the air the more heat it [...] 14446 188 88_a shot in the dark... while also blindfolded, hands tied behind my back, ears plugged...11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:08:24 -0400600_us-ascii All right, as this subject line suggests, this query here is a real crapshoot. Basically. I'm working on researching my family tree. Ancestry.com only gets me so far with the limited knowledge I have. I know that somewhere, out there, I have 4th, 5th, 6th cousins and so forth (don't we all)? I also have great-great-great grandparents whose names I don't know (don't we all)? (Just for the record-to know who my 4th cousins are, I need to know who my great-great-great grandparents are-that's the common ancestor for 4th cousins. Not to be confused with cousins 4 times removed, which [...] 14635 134 29_Lighten up, everyone, please!19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 03:29:13 -0400 14770 49 9_Face2Face16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 06:57:57 -0700419_iso-8859-1 Face2Face http://face2faceproject.com The Face2Face project is a photography campaign presenting large-scale portraits of Israelis and Palestinians who were asked to make exaggerated facial gestures of their choice. The portraits have recently been put up for display in "unavoidable places" in the hopes that a more comic approach might highlight what binds the two as opposed to what sets them apart. [...] 14820 89 13_Re: Face2Face12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:16:31 -0700693_iso-8859-1 Wonderful! Perfect example of how art can influence society. I love how in some of the pairs, it's not clear which person is from which group. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Rosalind Barland To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:57:57 AM Subject: Face2Face Face2Face http://face2faceproject.com The Face2Face project is a photography campaign presenting large-scale portraits of Israelis and Palestinians who were asked to make exaggerated facial gestures of their choice. The portraits have recently been put up for display in "unavoidable places" in the hopes that a more comic approach might highlight what binds the two as [...] 14910 101 18_Re: Global warming17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:24:31 -0600553_us-ascii Everyone seems to have missed my point. I do not care what side of the argument you are on. When I get into this debate I simply ask my disputant if he/she is in favor of air pollution. The answer is /always/ no. So then I ask what is our argument? I have had amazing success in walking away from these debates with agreement that we should do everything we can to eliminate air pollution. Contrary to your statement Jon ("The amount of CO2 that humans release into the atmosphere is minute compared to that of the oceans and volcanoes.") [...] 15012 119 81_Fw: =?UTF-8?Q?=D7=AA=D7=95=D7=9B=D7=A0=D7=94_=D7=97=D7=93=D7=A9=D7=94?= MICROSOFT11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:15:57 -0700692_UTF-8

A little Hebrew lesson with the photography lesson.

Steve



Subject: תוכ ה חדשה MICROSOFT



ראה טוב





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Israeli Envoy Recalled Over Nude Exploit in El Salvador

Associated Press Tuesday, March 13, 2007; Page A13

JERUSALEM, March 12 -- Israel has recalled its ambassador to El Salvador after he was found naked, bound and drunk, according to Israeli news media reports confirmed Monday by a government spokeswoman.

The longtime diplomat, Tsuriel Raphael, has been removed from his post, and the Foreign Ministry has begun searching for a replacement, said ministry spokeswoman Zehavit Ben-Hillel. [...] 15238 222 24_Fw: Letters to L A Times11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:23:55 -0700597_iso-8859-1







Subject: Letters to L A Times



Tuesday March 13, 2007

re; Letter to the LA Times from Nancy Almendras of Germany, no less.

It is difficult to conceive how a person could possibly get things wronger. Ms. Almendras writes about immigrant Jews sitting on the "stolen property" of the "Palestinian refugee". Excuse me, but is that the same property that was offered by the Jewish refugees to share with their Arab cousins who instead chose to have it all or risk it all by attacking the Jewish refugees for it? (And losing). [...] 15461 174 13_Re: Face2Face11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:33:43 -0700698_iso-8859-1

Sharon

Thank you for sending this. Who knows? It could make a difference, even in a small way.

Steve







Wonderful! Perfect example of how art can influence society. I love how in some of the pairs, it's not clear which person is from which group. -Sharon

Face2Face http://face2faceproject.com The Face2Face project is a photography campaign presenting large-scale portraits of Israelis and Palestinians who were asked to make exaggerated facial gestures of their choice. The portraits have recently been put up for display in "unavoidable places" in the hopes that a more comic approach might highlight what binds the two as [...] 15636 142 24_Re: Letters to L A Times12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:44:00 -0700635_iso-8859-1 Was this in response to something that was supposed to be attached to the post, or was it auto-generated gibberish? -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:23:55 AM Subject: Fw: Letters to L A Times Subject: Letters to L A Times Tuesday March 13, 2007 re; Letter to the LA Times from Nancy Almendras of Germany, no less. It is difficult to conceive how a person could possibly get things wronger. Ms. Almendras writes about immigrant Jews sitting on the "stolen property" of the "Palestinian refugee". Excuse me, but is [...] 15779 114 13_Re: Face2Face12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:55:27 -0700666_iso-8859-1 I appreciate the pat on the back, but Roz sent it; I just commented on it. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:33:43 AM Subject: Re: Face2Face Sharon Thank you for sending this. Who knows? It could make a difference, even in a small way. Steve Wonderful! Perfect example of how art can influence society. I love how in some of the pairs, it's not clear which person is from which group. -Sharon Face2Face http://face2faceproject.com The Face2Face project is a photography campaign presenting large-scale portraits of Israelis and Palestinians who [...] 15894 925 39_Washington Post - Benny Morris Reverses16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:57:35 -0400714_ISO-8859-1 washingtonpost.com



Israel Revisited Benny Morris, Veteran 'New Historian' of the Modern Jewish State's Founding, Finds Himself Ideologically Back Where It All Began

By Scott Wilson Washington Post Foreign Service Sunday, March 11, 2007; D01

<>LI-ON, Israel The path behind historian Benny Morris's house climbs through a cedar and pine forest, passing stone walls and wine presses dating to the time of the second Jewish Temple two millenniums ago. In the distance, the misty ridges of the Judean hills appear, the spine of the historic Jewish heartland. [...] 16820 63 22_Re: Tsuris for Tsuriel0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM29_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:37:08 EDT373_US-ASCII Is their any end to this stuff? I am feeling ashamed, embarrassed, and sad. Maybe I'm just naive. How do others feel about these travesties? Or am I just stuck in my ideological views of Israel? Ellen


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In a message dated 3/13/2007 3:38:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Emabear@AOL.COM writes:

Is their any end to this stuff? I am feeling ashamed, embarrassed, and sad. Maybe I'm just naive. How do others feel about these travesties? Or am I just stuck in my ideological views of Israel? Ellen





There is clearly a crisis of values which has taken hold in the Israeli public and among Israeli political leaders, and it is most recognizable as an infection of the soul. While it predates the current crop of politicians it has become more evident since Bibi came to power. Absolute power, [...] 16989 58 22_Re: Tsuris for Tsuriel0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM29_Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:29 EDT546_US-ASCII Thanks for your thoughts. Makes sense but doesn't ease the feeling of saddness.


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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 17048 352 13_Human Nature?12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:07:32 +0200652_windows-1252 Haverim/ot Daniel Ben Simon--- wrote in HaAretz The kibbutz movement was always haunted by the fear that utopia would eventually clash with human nature. The first members hoped to change human nature and to reshape it. Id like to share some thoughts on the privatization of Degania, the mother of Kibbutzim actually a kvutza. (The difference between kibbutz and kvutza was size.) Actually, in the breakdown of Israels collectives, size doesnt matter. Ostensibly they are all bedeviled by "human nature". Sociologically it could be said that the members of the founding generation were atypical of their communities of origin, [...] 17401 352 18_Re: Global warming11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:09:37 -0600473_us-ascii "...the anti human-caused global warming movement is anti-development, anti-capitalism and generally anti-American."

Jon, would you call someone who fights a company that dumps toxic waste into a stream "anti-development, anti-capitalism and generally anti-American?" How about someone who fights corporate fraud? If one objects to a war machine run amok, he hates his country, right? Or disagreeing with Israel's policies makes one a self-hating Jew. [...] 17754 225 65_Fw: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:09:21 -0700573_iso-8859-1

FEEDBACK, ANYONE?

STEVE

Sorry for the caps.



Subject: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"



Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"



Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people" http://www.jihadwatch .org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015619.php

Never mind the victims of the "Palestinian" people who were killed while going about their business in buses and restaurants. [...] 17980 556 18_Re: Global warming13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:36:09 +0200519_us-ascii Thank you, Phil, for proving my point about how hysterical this issue makes some people. I especially appreciate the Goebbels comparison.

I've always admired your ability not to allow little things like facts or the historical truth get in the way of a good quip.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Phil Safier Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:10 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Global warming [...] 18537 225 40_Some opening paragraphs write themselves13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:32:25 +0200549_us-ascii

Frostbite ends Bancroft-Arnesen trek



By PATRICK CONDON, Associated Press Writer Mon Mar 12, 5:28 PM ET

A North Pole expedition meant to bring attention to global warming was called off after one of the explorers got frostbite. The explorers, Ann Bancroft and Liv Arnesen, on Saturday called off what was intended to be a 530-mile trek across the Arctic Ocean after Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes, and extreme cold temperatures drained the batteries in some of their electronic equipment. [...] 18763 138 44_Re: Some opening paragraphs write themselves11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:33 -0400499_iso-8859-1 Some opening paragraphs write themselvesAnd I thought losing toes was what Arctic and Antarctic exploration was all about...

But seriously, it's about overall patterns and the trend, not what happens on a particular day or even a particular year or decade. But don't let science get in the way of a good quip :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Some opening paragraphs write themselves [...] 18902 295 65_Re: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:13:23 -0400371_iso-8859-1 What was the context of this statement Steve? If you could include a link to a news story, rather than rants we might have a basis to provide some feedback.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Fw: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people" [...] 19198 380 65_Re: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:22:58 -0700431_iso-8859-1 Noam

How is "Feedback, anyone?" a rant? If you are referring to the comments under the URL's, they are part of what I received. You want me to edit in and out stuf I consider rant and not-rant?

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: Re: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people" [...] 19579 92 65_Re: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:47:40 EDT396_US-ASCII

Steve, Noam WAS giving you feedback, and I will, too.

In what you posted, just one sentence was attributed to Obama. There was no reference about when it was said, to whom it was said, or in what context it was said.

Without any of that, the ONLY thing to respond to is that you posted an email you received claiming that Senator Obama said that one sentence. [...] 19672 286 69_Re: Fw: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"14_Paul Fingerman29_paul.fingerman@MINDSPRING.COM31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:22:09 -0700413_us-ascii Yes, Steve, here's some feedback.

If you actually read the source material (not easy, since the URLs you pasted are pretty butchered, but I managed - If anyone else needs help, let me know), you would find that his remarks about the suffering of the Palestinian people are in the context of the Palestinian leadership! I recommend the Des Moines Register article, which provides the context. [...] 19959 447 18_Re: Global warming11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:21:59 -0600693_us-ascii So instead of answering my questions you just make quips? Hysterical indeed.

Phil



At 09:36 PM 3/14/2007 +0200, you wrote: >Thank you, Phil, for proving my point about how hysterical this issue >makes some people. I especially appreciate the Goebbels comparison. > >I've always admired your ability not to allow little things like facts or >the historical truth get in the way of a good quip. > >Jon >-----Original Message----- >From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On >Behalf Of Phil Safier >Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:10 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: Global warming > >"...the anti human-caused global [...] 20407 25 6_graves16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:18:08 -0400337_ISO-8859-1 Amnon, In Habonet you wrote that Syrkin, Borochov and Hess are buried in Kibbutz Kinneret. Didn't Syrkin die in NY, Borochov in Russia (his destination of choice from NY so that he could participate in the revolution) and Hess in Germany? So their remains were all removed to Kinneret? Isn't there a story in that? ELIHU [...] 20433 42 10_Re: graves11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:56:07 -0400639_ISO-8859-1 Ber Borokov at least was moved. Don't know about the others. Judy

Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> Amnon, > In Habonet you wrote that Syrkin, Borochov and Hess are buried in > Kibbutz Kinneret. Didn't Syrkin die in NY, Borochov in Russia (his > destination of choice from NY so that he could participate in the > revolution) and Hess in Germany? So their remains were all removed to > Kinneret? Isn't there a story in that? > ELIHU > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of [...] 20476 74 10_Re: graves10_Gil Browdy22_mazkir@HABONIMDROR.ORG31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:17:39 -0400375_US-ASCII I've been there enough times and had enough tours to know that it's true. Here are some references, too:

"Syrkin intended to settle in Palestine, but died suddenly of a heart attack in 1924. In 1951, his remains were reinterred at Kibbutz Kinneret with the other founders of Labor Zionism." -http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/biography_Nahman_Syrkin.htm [...] 20551 78 10_Re: graves0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:19 -0400304_us-ascii



Ber Borokov at least was moved. Don't know about the others. Judy



I laid a stone on the grave of Borochov at the cemetary in Kineret. It looked like I was the first one to do so. Rachel's grave was covered with so many stones it looked like a small mountian. [...] 20630 54 10_Re: graves11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:22:56 -0400298_ISO-8859-1 I laid a stone, so did my father and my kids and it seemed like WE were the first ones. Maybe our stones are being taken over to Rachel's grave by the hordes who come on tour buses to visit her? That cemetery obviously needs more little stones! Judy

smfgrappa@AOL.COM wrote: [...] 20685 40 10_Re: graves11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:36:44 -0800 20726 141 56_Churchill was not anti-Semite, article from YNET English16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:38:51 -07001027_iso-8859-1 Churchill was not an anti-Semite

British leader did not write the alleged anti-Semitic article, nor did he publish it. Churchill Center responds Richard M. Langworth Published: 03.15.07, 18:12 / Israel Opinion



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----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Gelman Date: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:33 pm Subject: Re: graves To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 21198 301 24_Do we need a rich uncle?13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:22:39 +0200578_windows-1255 Do we need a rich uncle? US defense aid to Israel could be disastrous in the long run. Amnon Barzilai 14 Mar 07 17:03

The talks held last week by Israel's economic delegation to Washington headed by Governor of the Bank of Israel Prof. Stanley Fischer and Ministry of Finance director general Yarom Ariav regarding the increase in US military aid to Israel, bring to mind a well-known joke from the 1950s. The then Minister of Finance Levi Eshkol, while on a visit to the US, was wandering the streets of Washington when he came across a beggar to whom [...] 21500 291 23_Habonim Dror Down Under0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:45:19 -0400640_us-ascii If you are interested in what they are up to in Australia

http://www.ajn.com.au/news/news.asp?pgID=2771

-----Original Message----- From: mazkir@HABONIMDROR.ORG To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:17 AM Subject: Re: graves



I've been there enough times and had enough tours to know that it's true. Here are some references, too:

"Syrkin intended to settle in Palestine, but died suddenly of a heart attack in 1924. In 1951, his remains were reinterred at Kibbutz Kinneret with the other founders of Labor Zionism." -http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/biography_Nahman_Syrkin.htm [...] 21792 79 37_new blog on topics close to our heart0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:52:04 -0400530_us-ascii Folks:

Although I am not suggesting that Habonet doesn't completely fulfill your need for commentary on Israel and the relationship between American Jews and Israel, there is a new blog you might want to check out at http://www.realisticdove.org/. It belongs to Dan Fleshler who is a board member of Ameinu, Americans for Peace Now and the Givat Haviva Educational Foundation. He is a very bright guy and a good writer. Feel free to comment on his posts and get some good discussion going over there as well. [...] 21872 121 69_Re: Fw: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:02:24 -0700598_iso-8859-1 Boy is Obama off on this one, he probably doesn't realize that some people have to read Steve's rants.

Steve Klein wrote: FEEDBACK, ANYONE?

STEVE

Sorry for the caps.



Subject: Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"





Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people"



Obama: "Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people" http://www.jihadwatch .org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015619.php [...] 21994 47 25_IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:51:26 -0700621_iso-8859-1 It has come to my attention that one of the contributors on this list has been "threatened" with expulsion because of his/her beliefs. Let me say, in defense of anyone who has outspoken, or different viewpoints, that often,. while I may not agree with the position, I have been given a chance to think more about a situation, or look at another point-of-view. Controversy, and even at some times, confrontation, are an integral part of democracy, and should be encouraged on this list, rather than--as so often happens--we attack the person with name-calling, and put-downs---and don't look at the issues [...] 22042 214 29_Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:14:09 +0000542_us-ascii I have a feeling I know who you're talking about. Whether I'm right or not is, of course, irrelevent. It is a herd mentality, I think, and I think we can do better than that. When I was on a listserv for the animation department at Pratt Institute, they actually threatened me with the same thing. I don't remember what the reason was, whether it was that I sent "too much" email or they didn't like what I had to say. It is frustrating, because nearly everything I said on that listserv got shot down, whether it was a wiseass [...] 22257 93 29_Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY27_Mike Rocklin, Kalamazoo MI.23_mikerocklin@CHARTER.NET31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:59:38 -0400564_utf-8 --Hello, I have been a "lurker" since last summer, although I have written many emails, but decided not to send. Now I must. Open discourse, conversation and debate is critical. Infighting, name calling and meanness in not. I use the heck out of my delete key, and also use much of what I see in here in many applications. I just finished a presentation to the local Community College as a panelist for a "Building Religious Tolerance" seminar. Not only did I draw from what I agreed with, I needed the "other side" to fully address the issues at hand. [...] 22351 118 28_Re: Do we need a rich uncle?0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:41:16 -0800397_utf-8 Once again as the resident representative of the military-industrial complex I would like to point out that military aid is almost entirely spent in the United States buying stuff which is sent to many foreign countries and helps support the millions of Americans who make up these companies large and small that are part of the welfare system known as the military industrial complex. [...] 22470 264 28_Re: Do we need a rich uncle?12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:19:01 -0700606_iso-8859-1 So the question can be turned around and we, in the US, can ask ourselves: do our communities need the rich uncle of the military industrial complex? What has reliance on local spending of that military aid done to the communities who have become dependent on it? Is it healthy and sustainable for our economy to depend on the continual purchase of stuff that is intended to blow up? What would our communities look like if all that R&D money went into development of alternative energy or efficient air conditioners or inexpensive water purification systems? Nothing personal, Norm, but I [...] 22735 162 28_Re: Do we need a rich uncle?0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:59:50 -0800656_utf-8 How dare you suggest such subversive unpatriotic actions. Your IP address is being turned over to the NSA. Nobody screws with the military industrial complex. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Unfortunately, what you suggest would gore too many cows, on Wall Street and Congress.

Norm





---- Sharon Gates wrote: So the question can be turned around and we, in the US, can ask ourselves: do our communities need the rich uncle of the military industrial complex? What has reliance on local spending of that military aid done to the communities who have become dependent on it? Is it healthy and [...] 22898 322 28_Re: Do we need a rich uncle?12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:05:43 -0700672_iso-8859-1 Yes, my point exactly. And I'd be surprised/disappointed if the NSA doesn't already have an eye on me. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: "normk@ADELPHIA.NET" To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:59:50 PM Subject: Re: Do we need a rich uncle? How dare you suggest such subversive unpatriotic actions. Your IP address is being turned over to the NSA. Nobody screws with the military industrial complex. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! Unfortunately, what you suggest would gore too many cows, on Wall Street and Congress. Norm ---- Sharon Gates wrote: So the question can be turned around and [...] 23221 274 40_Re re Leave no stone unturned was Graves12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:52:22 +0200460_windows-1252 Even maasu Habonim hietta l'rosh pina The stone rejected by the builders has become the corner-stone (Psalms 118:22) He is mine - said Kinneret - For he is returned dreaming to me. He inspired speeches and deeds, * Only with me was he silent. So I close his cycle In a simple stone with a name For he is mine said Kinneret From those early days (Natan Alterman in Davar, 18 August 1944 * moving the lips of sleepers Song of Songs, 7 10 [...] 23496 30 16_rich uncle redux16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:08:00 -0400683_ISO-8859-1 One problem that devolves directly from Israel's reliance on US military supplies, that no one mentioned here thus far, is the decline of Israel's own military manufacture infrastructure. Pressure from US aerospace companies caused the Pentagon to insist on killing Israel Aircraft's fighter plane development. If I recall correctly, Israel no longer manufactures uniforms (though it has a major clothing manufacture). Israel is standardizing its assault riflery on the M-16, not the Galil. And I recollect reading something about Israel no longer manufacturing the Merkava tank. Whatever one may think of military expenditures, in these kinds of instances I suggest [...] 23527 60 19_Support Your People13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:34:10 +0200486_us-ascii http://www.keshet-tv.com/Ambatia/MediaPage.aspx?MediaID=8012

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I had an epiphany Tuesday evening. As a promo for Pesach my synagogue, Mevakshei Derekh, ran an evening devoted to the Kibbutz Yagur Seder. You may well wonder what would a nice Jewish boy like me do with an epiphany if he met it? OK, skip nice and boy but grant me Jewish. Leopold Bloom, the estranged Jew in James Joyces Ulysses had them but thats another story. Our synagogue was the venue for a choral presentation and a lecture on Yehuda Sharrets cantata/haggadah. By the 1940s it was adopted by many kibbutzim either verbatim or as platform for [...] 24161 146 26_Foe the Deadheads among us11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:57:14 -0700873_us-ascii http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/ObamaDeadheadsUnite









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Batel Libes wrote:

> http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/ObamaDeadheadsUnite > > > > > > Batel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network > , a service of Hebrew College > , which offers online courses and an online > MA in Jewish Studies . > > To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > > For other options go to: http://listserv.SHAMASH.ORG/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: [...] 24364 55 16_Amnon's Epiphany15_Nechemia Meyers23_meyers@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:29:55 +0200313_windows-1255 Amnon, Thank you for your epiphony. It brought back memories of Ya'acov Sharett presiding over the seder in Neve Yam (after the split in Yagur) and of the day I witnessed the harvest festival in Ramat Yochanan. I might have wiped away a tear or two had I been in your synagogue. Nechemia Meyers [...] 24420 44 20_military development16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:34:25 -0400397_ISO-8859-1 The reason Israel dropped the Lavie fighter plane was lobbying by the Pentagon to the White House at the behest of US aircraft manufacturers who 1) didn't want additional international competition 2) wanted $$$ from sales to Israel and 3) looked forward to Israeli testing (combat conditions) and improvements. It had nothing to do w/adoption of any sort of standardized platform. [...] 24465 66 44_Re: Re re Leave no stone unturned was Graves0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM29_Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:39:26 EDT590_US-ASCII Dear Amnon, We can so often count on you to lend something meaning, and beautiful, to the postings. Thank you, Ellen





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I read your posting Sue, with wonder since I just received the article below from my daughter Aimee who some of you know, has lived in Goa, India for almost ten years. She is a graduate of Habonim and all it's programs including Workshop at Grofit in 1980. She write in both Hebrew and English. In English for the Jerusalem Report and a number of online magazines. The following was online, I think. [...] 25053 200 42_Re: Moving Moments-something long from sue12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:19:43 -0700552_iso-8859-1 what a beautiful story- I did contact Aimee oncve a while ago--I can't remember whathappened- But I will contact her again---Now that we have the TV network- perhaps she can do a "vidoe diary"--sue --- Emabear@AOL.COM wrote:

> > I read your posting Sue, with wonder since I just > received the article below > from my daughter Aimee who some of you know, has > lived in Goa, India for > almost ten years. She is a graduate of Habonim and > all it's programs including > Workshop at Grofit in 1980. She write in both > Hebrew and [...] 25254 390 18_Re: Global warming11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:30:13 -0600644_us-ascii Yo, Jon Bam,

Since you still haven't answered the questions I posed, maybe the following will help your thought processes.

Hysterically, Phil





When Climate Message Is Strong, Attack the Messenger! By Joe Brewer t r u t h o u t | Guest Contributor

Monday 19 March 2007

An article published March 13, 2007, in the New York Times clearly demonstrates the importance of framing when discussing important political issues. William J. Broad's article, "From a Rapt Audience, a Call to Cool the Hype," in the science section already ranks as one of the most popular articles of the day. [...] 25645 666 18_Re: Global warming13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:49:09 +0200584_us-ascii "Climate scientists (and weather forecasters) never predict the future."

Phil, this article is rubbish. The writer is himself attacking the messenger and not addressing the issues of anthrocentric global warming. The above statement is a lie. He is attempting to rebut an article from the NY Times which cast doubt on Al Gore's reliability as a climate expert, an article that I didn't commit tot he discussion previously. Mr. Brewer is also condemning scientists who have a lot more climate expertise than he does. How's that for stimulating my thought process? [...] 26312 168 67_In defense of the list managers (was Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:48:43 -0400594_UTF-8 Talk about the herd mentality.

Shamash, like many other listservs will automatically unsubscribe list members when mail is returned on a regular basis. In this case the Shamash listserv warned the list manager that a number of messages from the list to a member are returned because that list member's mailbox is often full to the point where messages are returned to the sender and that the sender was in danger of being removed from the list - by Shamash, NOT by the list managers. The list manager notified the list member in question, who apparently interpreted this as a [...] 26481 30 10_Josie Katz12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:05:41 -0700508_iso-8859-1 I just came form the film, "Etzli Hakol Beseder"- which chronicles Josie Katz's life in and out of Israel and her marriage to her famous musician husband...I loved it....what a woman....Anyone who has a chance to see it, should...sue





____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html [...] 26512 33 32_Looking for Pesach in Manchester19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Tue, 20 Mar 2007 03:41:21 -0400 26546 214 71_Re: In defense of the list managers (was Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:18:22 -0700627_iso-8859-1 What would this list do without an administrator such as Noam to put things as they should be put when the need arises?!!!

kol hakavod, ___ |Y| ^^^

Noam Stopak wrote: Talk about the herd mentality.

Shamash, like many other listservs will automatically unsubscribe list members when mail is returned on a regular basis. In this case the Shamash listserv warned the list manager that a number of messages from the list to a member are returned because that list member's mailbox is often full to the point where messages are returned to the sender and that the sender [...] 26761 1074 37_[QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:09:20 +0200498_windows-1252 Haverot/im I was looking for information regarding Sues question about Jewish Epiphanies and the search engine brought me to Beliefnet. com where I found this extremely long rules of conduct. Besides its length, much clearly doesnt apply to Habonet. But I believe that following on Noams post Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY we can find a much trimmed down version to suit our needs- one that addresses civility, original contributions and just old-fashioned havershaft. Amnon [...] 27836 1534 41_Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:51:51 +0200391_us-ascii Amnon, if I can't call Noam the antichrist I don't know if this is worth it. What's a listserve administrator for? Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of amnon hadary Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:09 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY) Importance: Low [...] 29371 162 46_Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:59:31 -0400702_iso-8859-1 MessageJon,

I always thought of myself as kind of crusty. How can you call me the anticrust?

Beezleburnttoast



----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)



Amnon, if I can't call Noam the antichrist I don't know if this is worth it. What's a listserve administrator for? Jon -----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of amnon hadary Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:09 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY) Importance: Low [...] 29534 99 46_Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:37:05 +0200604_us-ascii Noam, Actually you are, canine-hora, the useless part of the dog - its Wag Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:09 am Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF FALSE ACCUSATIONS To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> MessageJon, > > I always thought of myself as kind of crusty. How can you call me > the anticrust? > > Beezleburnttoast > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Baum > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [QUAR] Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY) > > > Amnon, [...] 29634 741 21_JTA - Israeli cuisine16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:29:22 -0400436_us-ascii jta logo ------------------------------------------------------------------------



Hooters will open a branch in Israel.

Hooters will open a branch in Israel. The Israeli franchise-holder for the American restaurant chain, which features top-heavy waitresses in skimpy uniforms, said this week he planned to open a Tel Aviv branch this summer. As many as four branches could follow in various cities. [...] 30376 32 36_Re: Looking for Pesach in Manchester0_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:31:07 -0500 30409 73 25_Re: JTA - Israeli cuisine12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:10:51 -0700646_iso-8859-1 For more fun about this, go to Benjy Lovitt's blg, "What War Zone" and see his take on the uniforms----

Thanks--sue --- "Elihu D. Davison" wrote:

> jta logo > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Hooters will open a branch in Israel. > > Hooters will open a branch in Israel. The Israeli > franchise-holder for > the American restaurant chain, which features > top-heavy waitresses in > skimpy uniforms, said this week he planned to open a > Tel Aviv branch > this summer. As many as four branches could follow > in various cities. > > Trying to [...] 30483 224 71_Re: In defense of the list managers (was Re: IN DEFENSE OF CONTROVERSY)13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:55:52 -0700634_iso-8859-1 All these false accusations of censorship come from those darned Islamic fanatics who are the root of all evil, except for all those scientists of course.

Noam Stopak wrote: Talk about the herd mentality.

Shamash, like many other listservs will automatically unsubscribe list members when mail is returned on a regular basis. In this case the Shamash listserv warned the list manager that a number of messages from the list to a member are returned because that list member's mailbox is often full to the point where messages are returned to the sender and that the sender was in [...] 30708 715 32_[QUAR] Re: JTA - Israeli cuisine12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:02:22 -0700605_ascii A nation like other nations. Forget about the light. -Sharon



----- Original Message ---- From: Elihu D. Davison To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:29:22 PM Subject: JTA - Israeli cuisine





Hooters will open a branch in Israel. Hooters will open a branch in Israel. The Israeli franchise-holder for the American restaurant chain, which features top-heavy waitresses in skimpy uniforms, said this week he planned to open a Tel Aviv branch this summer. As many as four branches could follow in various cities. [...] 31424 80 36_Re: [QUAR] Re: JTA - Israeli cuisine12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:09:21 -0700652_iso-8859-1 Oh, PULEEZE!!!.....If you are afraid Israel is losing its light- just go to www.israel21c and say that!----A little fun never hurt anyone!..sue



--- Sharon Gates wrote:

> A nation like other nations. Forget about the > light. > -Sharon > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Elihu D. Davison > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:29:22 PM > Subject: JTA - Israeli cuisine > > > > Hooters will open a branch in Israel. > Hooters will open a branch in Israel. The Israeli > franchise-holder for the American restaurant chain, > which [...] 31505 818 36_Re: [QUAR] Re: JTA - Israeli cuisine11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:10:40 -0700367_iso-8859-1 Sounds a bit judgemental, Sharon. Hooters is not exactly the end of the world in most people's minds.

As for "light", some of us have not stopped being amazed how so small and vulnerable a nation can even survive, much less thrive, given the circumstances. You can cluck your tongue all you want; that's all it is- another cluck of the tongue. [...] 32324 24 11_Re: hooters14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:27:52 +0200548_iso-8859-1 A couple years ago I was in the States with one of my daughters and SHE asked me to take her to Hooters for lunch.... (Besides, it was a nice place - right on the Ohio River). She looked at the boats, I looked at the waitress

Dave

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--- Holtzer Family wrote:

> A couple years ago I was in the States with one of > my daughters and SHE > asked me to take her to Hooters for lunch.... > (Besides, it was a nice > place - right on the Ohio River). She looked at the > boats, I looked at the > waitress > > Dave > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, > [...] 32406 46 11_Re: hooters13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:10:37 +0200527_us-ascii Dave, aside from all that, how was the food?

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:28 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: hooters



A couple years ago I was in the States with one of my daughters and SHE asked me to take her to Hooters for lunch.... (Besides, it was a nice place - right on the Ohio River). She looked at the boats, I looked at the waitress [...] 32453 74 11_Re: hooters14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:23:11 +0200286_iso-8859-1 Had chicken wings. What they call buffalo wings. The sauce really was very good. This is supposed to be one of their specialties (the wings and sauce). Root Beer I love, anywhere. Spent more money buying shirts, hats and stuff than the meal. A good time was had by all. [...] 32528 102 11_Re: hooters13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:03:32 +0200597_us-ascii Man, if they serve real root beer, I'm in.

Gut Shabbos,

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:23 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: hooters



Had chicken wings. What they call buffalo wings. The sauce really was very

good. This is supposed to be one of their specialties (the wings and sauce). Root Beer I love, anywhere. Spent more money buying shirts, hats and stuff than the meal. A good time was had by all. [...] 32631 147 11_Re: hooters19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:15:34 -0400 32779 30 11_Re: hooters14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:30:14 +0200549_iso-8859-1 Well, I didn't see any roots floating in the glass, but it was good. A&W is the gold standard of root beer, of course. There still is an A&W's in Three Rivers, but it moved from 131 near Broadway to the north side of town and is attached to a gas station (north 131 business for all you mapquesters,googleearth people). And you can still buy a gallon jug of real draft root beer there! Frosted glass mugs and free refills in the restaurant. However, no more french fried mushrooms on the menu. Their onion rings are still fantastic. [...] 32810 55 11_Re: hooters13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:44:42 +0200350_us-ascii I don't know if it's still available but my friend once got me a six-pack A&W root beer in cans in the store at Mizra.

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:30 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: hooters [...] 32866 338 43_This was bound to happen sooner or later...13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@KSASA.CO.IL31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:50:07 +0200390_iso-8859-1 SPIEGEL ONLINE - March 21, 2007, 04:16 PM

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He beat her and threatened her with murder. But because husband and wife were both from Morocco, a German divorce court judge saw no cause for alarm. It's a religion thing, she argued. [...] 33205 81 28_Looking into the mirror.....16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:44:09 -0700622_iso-8859-1 Everyone is afraid of mirrors

Memo From Jerusalem Israeli Soldiers Stand Firm, but Duty Wears on the Soul By STEVEN ERLANGER JERUSALEM, March 22 — Some of Jerusalem’s nicest people gathered the other night to listen to a talk by an Israeli soldier troubled by how he and some of his colleagues had behaved in the occupied West Bank. The small crowd on a rainy evening was a bit disheveled, with lots of untamed hair and sensible shoes. Largely English-speaking, they were generally somewhere on the left of Israel’s wide political spectrum, and they listened earnestly as Mikhael Manekin, 27, [...] 33287 79 54_Azure - Amnon Hadary requested we send you this e-mail5_Amnon22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:35:02 -0500592_windows-1255





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Gadi Taub By GADI TAUB





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For years the Conservative Synagogue movement had a fuddy-duddy youth hostel attached to its Jerusalem offices and synagogue at the corner of Agron and King George. The last time I was there many years ago it was to hear Trudy Greeners choir. On Wednesday evening I went there for a lecture run by Peace Now. What a surprise, actually two. When I got there about 50 young Arabs both females and males were waiting to get into the adjacent modern enlarged hostel and seminar facility for a seminar of their own. The lecturer was Gadi Taub of the Hebrew [...] 33643 858 37_The Economist - Dubious Dead Sea Plan16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:59:06 -0400866_ISO-8859-1

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A plan to save the Dead Sea looks environmentally and economically dubious







THE Dead Sea, famous for its therapeutic minerals and for the way people float in it like corks, is evaporating away, its surface level dropping by nearly one metre a year. Fresh water from the Jordan river replenishes it at less than one-twentieth the rate of a few decades ago; the rest goes to growing populations of Israelis, Jordanians and Palestinians. Studies suggest that [...] 34502 216 24_Re: Dispirited Rebellion12_Sharon Gates25_newfriendsharon@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:45:08 -0700642_iso-8859-7 I found the longer Taub article (link in a separate post) to be refreshing. I wonder if such an article could have been written by someone living in Israel. I also wonder what Amnon finds disturbing about Taub's views. -Sharon ----- Original Message ---- From: amnon hadary To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:48:24 PM Subject: Dispirited Rebellion Haverot/im For years the Conservative Synagogue movement had a fuddy-duddy youth hostel attached to its Jerusalem offices and synagogue at the corner of Agron and King George. The last time I was there many years ago it was to hear [...] 34719 39 39_Reconciling Hans Kohn with "Or Lagoyim"12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:02:53 -0700590_iso-8859-1 It's erev Shabbat here- and soon I will be off to Shabbat dinner at my friend, Tzipy's....All of the talk about Hooters has had me thinking about the conflict which has popped up every now and then. In Habonim, as impressionable youth--we were taught that Israel and the Jewish people needed a Homeland like everyone else. And now that we are acting like eveyone else, we beat ourselves up for not having higher standards, for poor education and poverty, and for leaders who are politically "stained"--Is this oone of those cases wherein you can't have your cake and eat it [...] 34759 240 7_Fw: Fw:11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:34:15 -0700598_windows-1255

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ISRAEL'S SETTLER MOVEMENT.



The Facts on the Ground

by Gadi Taub Post date: 03.31.06 Issue date: 04.10.06

The Accidental Empire: Israel and the Birth of the Settlements, 1967-1977 By Gershom Gorenberg (Henry Holt, 454 pp., $30)

qThe settlers have no human rights," complained Rabbi Yoel Bin-Nun in Ha'aretz a few months before the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. Prime Minster Ariel Sharon was about to expel Jewish settlers from their homes, and all the defenders of democratic values, the rabbi bitterly protested, were indifferent. This proves, he said, that "there is only one sector in Israel [...] 36377 314 32_Re Gadi Taub Reviews Gorenberg's12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:48:34 +0200703_windows-1252 The problem that Settlers have to contend with vis--vis the State of Israel is their inherent predilection for Zeal. That was Gadi Taubs starting point for the lecture he delivered at last Wednesdays Shalom Achshav series in Jerusalem. Elihu thanks for posting his piece - Gadi Taub The New Republic Online http://www.tnr.com/ ************************************************************ For Orthodox Jews the problematics of settling in Israel began with an arcane debate between Rambam (Maimonides) 1135 - 1204 and Nachmanides, 1190 1270. Rambam wrote that the mitzvah is not one of the foundational 613 commandments whereas as the younger (and considered less definitive) sage [...] 36692 24 29_Tom Delay: Liberals are Nazis17_Shawn Eli Barland18_sbarland@WI.RR.COM31_Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:37:48 -0600390_ISO-8859-1 In his new book Tom Delay compares liberals to Nazis because of the indictment against him in Texas. The Republicans have been busy gutting the Bill of Rights and presiding over a war that has seen the death of scores of thousands of innocent people. Delay should try looking in the mirror. http://www.forward.com/blogs/campaign-confidential/delay-dems-are-now-like-hitler/ [...] 36717 239 52_Uri Gordon was The Economist - Dubious Dead Sea Plan12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:20:59 +0200567_windows-1252 Elihu You may not be aware of it but you earned yet another mitzva when you sent the piece from the Economist about the Red- to- Dead-Sea initiative. Maybe it isn't listed among the 613 mitzvot but reminding someone of a dead tzadik is also a mitzva.Uri Last time I heard anyone pumping up a similar plan was in the eighties and the indefatigable advocate was Uri Gordon. He was pumping a different sea to sea canal from the Med to the Dead. The geographic-geological equation was even more daunting than the one described in the Economist. I had [...] 36957 89 25_1969 Camp Moshavah Shiron14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@HOTMAIL.COM31_Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:44:23 +0000567_Windows-1252 Shalom Chevreh:

In the course of helping to clean out my parents basement last year, I found my copy of the Shiron that shichvat BONIM of camp Moshava in Annapolis, MD produced at the end of the summer of 1969. Much of the content of the Shiron is similar to the digital Shiron that was made available on Habonet a few years ago. However, the original Shiron, with its numerous side comments by the chanichim who assembled it, is interesting in its own right. Is there an old Moshnik out there to whom I could give this piece of memorabilia? [...] 37047 389 56_Re: Uri Gordon was The Economist - Dubious Dead Sea Plan0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:31:04 -0400391_utf-8 Amnon:

Thanks for sharing the memory of Uri Gordon and his brand of Zionist vision. I remember working with him in the 80's and his heart and spirit were in the right place.

Ken



-----Original Message----- From: gershon-keileh@013.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 2:20 PM Subject: Uri Gordon was The Economist - Dubious Dead Sea Plan [...] 37437 44 4_list8_jr toben17_jrtoben@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:23:47 -0700544_iso-8859-1 I haven't received the habonet list for two days. Is anything wrong? Jim Toben jrtoben@yahoo.com



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It's been pretty quiet but there have been a few messages. One good way to check if there is activity that you aren't seeing (perhaps it's getting caught in a spam filter?) is to look at the archive of messages at the shamash site:

http://listserv.shamash.org/cgi-bin/wa?INDEX

gets you to the list of mailing lists, click on habonet, then select the current month and see if there are messages that haven't reached you. [...] 37541 112 12_Red/Dead/Med16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:01:03 -0400588_us-ascii Amnon, I'm glad that The Economist article reminded you, circuitously, of Uri Gordon. I am happy to credit Gordon with being, as you put it, a dead tsaddik; whether I should be credited with a mitzvah is altogether another matter. I think I recollect Gordon's name but never made the acquaintance. It's nice to know, however, that he was such an evident mensch. I am reminded of another world-class mensch whom I knew at the Jewish Agency in the late '60's-early '70's: Shlomo Dinur, z"l. He worked, if I recollect correctly, with Morele Bar-On in the old Youth & Students' [...] 37654 852 40_Fw: Fw: What the West Doesn't Understand11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:26:41 -0700659_iso-8859-1

Not verified, not vetted, not checked on Snopes.

Interesting no matter what.

Steve





Subject: What the West Doesn't Understand



The Coming Armageddon By Solly Ganor



Five years ago I sent you a letter which I called "Conversation on the Beach". In my letter I described my conversation with a young Palestinian student who in short precise terms explained how Islam will defeat the West. The conversation opened my eyes to a much larger picture in which Israel plays only a minor role in the Islamic game of conquest. Since then I tried to speak to some Arabs who come to [...] 38507 75 44_Re: Fw: Fw: What the West Doesn't Understand11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:51:39 -0400531_us-ascii Of course Mr. Cheney. NOw it is Iran which pulls all the strings in the world terrorist conspiracy. Just one more cakewalk and those democracy dominos will start to fall according to the neocon plan.

Actually Steve, the tract you sent is right in pointing out that there is a large mass of young people in the world who have no interest in maintaining the status quo. The sooner we find ways to present them with opportunities more appealing than dying for Allah, the sooner there will be hope for the future. [...] 38583 27 44_Re: Fw: Fw: What the West Doesn't Understand11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:37:55 -0700511_iso-8859-1 From your mouth to God's ear!

Steve

The sooner we find ways to present them with opportunities more appealing than dying for Allah, the sooner there will be hope for the future. > > Noam

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At 09:26 AM 3/26/2007 -0700, Steve Klein wrote: > >Not verified, not vetted, not checked on Snopes. > >Interesting no matter what. > >Steve > > > >Subject: What the West Doesn't Understand > >The Coming Armageddon >By Solly Ganor

[...] 38943 416 51_NYT - For Many Palestinians, 'Return' Is Not a Goal11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:20:31 -0400422_iso-8859-1 I was both encouraged and discouraged by parts of this article

Noam

+++

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/26/world/middleeast/26palestinians.html

March 26, 2007 For Many Palestinians, 'Return' Is Not a Goal By HASSAN M. FATTAH AMMAN, Jordan, March 22 - For nearly 60 years Nimr Abu Ghneim has waited, angrily but patiently, for the day he would return to the home he left in 1948. [...] 39360 284 25_IHT - Riyadh peacemaking?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:31:36 -0400373_us-ascii



International Herald Tribune

Will the Riyadh summit advance peace? Tuesday, March 27, 2007 Eran Lerman



JERUSALEM - Arab League members gathering in Riyadh for their summit are acutely aware of the gravity of the hour. The top priority, for Arab leaders as well as the international community, is Iran's bid for the bomb. [...] 39645 90 43_Fw: Sports Hall of Fame.....www.ncjshof.com11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:09:11 -0700585_Windows-1252

This amy have gotten to me inadvertently. Of interest nonetheless.

Steve



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Bush's Royal Trouble Why Is King Abdullah Saying No to Dinner?

By Jim Hoagland Wednesday, March 28, 2007; A15

President Bush enjoys hosting formal state dinners about as much as having a root canal. Or proposing tax increases. So his decision to schedule a mid-April White House gala for Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah signified the president's high regard for an Arab monarch who is also a Bush family friend. [...] 40171 2456 39_Chagall: Jewish artist or artistic Jew?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:42:57 -0400845_ISO-8859-1

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To some, he is the most famous of the Jewish artists. To others, he is the most Jewish of famous ones. Modernists celebrate him for fusing the Yiddishe sensibility of his provincial Russian birthplace with the urban genre of Cubism and the poetic disjunctures of Surrealism. Postmodernists praise him for [...] 42628 77 27_Kollek was British informer16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:16:56 -07001038_iso-8859-1 Kollek was British informer

Former mayor of Jerusalem helped British troops in their 1940s crackdown against right-wing underground Zionist groups, Irgun and Stern Gang Ronen Bergman Published: 03.29.07, 12:54 / Israel News



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Chevreh Shalom:

Except for minor matters, I have not posted to Habonet for some time now, and I thought that Judy's posting regarding the HEBRON SETTLERS REMOVAL PETITION would be an opportune occasion to resume posting. The text of the petition cited by Judy is copied at the bottom of my posting. [...] 42863 363 12_passover ban11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:32:43 -0700563_us-ascii http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=456&sid=1098996

Israel Group Nixes Pot on Passover Mar 27th - 8:05am

By MATTI FRIEDMAN Associated Press Writer

JERUSALEM (AP) - In bad news for its religious Jewish supporters, an Israeli

pro-marijuana party announced Tuesday that pot is forbidden on Passover.

Cannabis is among the substances Jews are forbidden to consume during the week-long festival, which begins Monday, said Michelle Levine, a spokeswoman for the Green Leaf party. [...] 43227 82 10_Fw: pesach11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:04:38 -0700571_UTF-8

Hag Sameach

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My memories of Pesach was that our local Sealtest dairy couldn't do the homogenization process over Pesach so only then did we get the cream at the top of the bottle. And that was how the milk came all summer from the next-door dairy (oi, can't remember the name!) at Mosh when it was on Riva Road - delicious! [...] 43861 240 16_Re: passover ban0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:20:49 -0400542_us-ascii This is without a doubt the first time that I have ever been able to use my extensive knowledge of kosher glue for a posting on Habonet.

I ran Netzah, Kibbutz Gezer's glue factory, back in the 80s and every year we kashered the factory so we could make batches of kosher glue for all of our customers. This included manufacturers of cigarettes, candy wrappers, produce boxes and the folks who pasted up the death notices that you see all around Israel. We had customers among the Israeli newspapers, but not all of them. [...] 44102 391 36_Re: Hebron Settlers Removal Petition0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:25:44 -0400314_utf-8 Marty:

I can assure you that the letter to Peretz very deliberately spoke ONLY about the settlers in Hebron so suggesting that this petition extends to other settlers is in indeed, as you wrote, by your extrapolation only. There is no way you can suggest that this was the intent of the writers. [...] 44494 112 16_Re: passover ban13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:35:57 -0400585_windows-1255 What is wrong with homogenizing on Pesach?????? Judy

ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL wrote:

> For many years the Hebrew newspapers in Israel came without being held > together with glue over Pesach (which they were during the year) > because the glue was hametz.... > > My memories of Pesach was that our local Sealtest dairy couldn't do > the homogenization process over Pesach so only then did we get the > cream at the top of the bottle. And that was how the milk came all > summer from the next-door dairy (oi, can't remember the name!) at Mosh > when it [...] 44607 52 17_Re: passover milk0_25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:28:31 +0300544_windows-1255 The reason I remember is that they couldn't kasher the machinery properly... I was little, who knows?

Trudy

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Bergen County Jewish Times Teaneck, New Jersey March 1, 2007

Yaniv Ben-Zaken, a local gas station owner, will be selling Kosher for Passover gasoline during the holiday this year. The move, Ben-Zaken says, has become necessary due to the increased ethanol content in gasoline required by the government. The ethanol is typically derived from corn, which is a forbidden food for Jews on Passover. And, according to Ben-Zaken, under Jewish law, it is also forbidden to derive any benefit from corn. [...] 44836 152 34_Re: another pesah inconvenience...12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:18:50 -0700371_iso-8859-1 When the "Banning Pot" article came in from JTA to us , I was laughing out lous...We had a picture for it- and had to put as the credit: "Can't tell"--since it showed a joint laying on a nice bed of "grass"--Seems grass is everywhere- it was part of the plot for Gila Almagor's movie which was here for the film festival.... CHAG SAMEACH TO ALL!!!....sue [...] 44989 103 16_Re: passover ban12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:39:49 +0300618_us-ascii Judy, The moment you ask a question about "their" logic you have taken the bait. It's not about logic. It's about infallibility - about control. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Judith Gelman Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:42 pm Subject: Re: passover ban To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> What is wrong with homogenizing on Pesach?????? > Judy > > ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL wrote: > > > For many years the Hebrew newspapers in Israel came without > being held > > together with glue over Pesach (which they were during the year) > > because the glue was hametz.... > > > [...] 45093 352 19_Passover Stringency16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:47:16 -0400692_us-ascii Passover Stringency

By/From Rabbi Yisroel Groundfliegel shalit"a,

Self-Described Halachik Authority and Successful Lower East Side Real Estate Developer

Here are the halachik issues for Pesach 5767:

1. Braces

Those people who normally wear braces while consuming chometzdike food, (food not kosher for Passover) must have their braces kashered for Pesach. The preferred method is that of Libun, (using a blow-torch which gets the metal white hot) which can be accomplished by crinkling your lips up to expose your teeth and then running a blow torch along the entire length of your braces. Some authorities are lenient and permit kashering of [...] 45446 65 16_Re: passover ban13_Steve Hancoff12_SHX2@AOL.COM29_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:47:16 EDT629_ISO-8859-1

In a message dated 3/30/07 8:34:23 AM, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes:



> It's about infallibility - about control. >

Jung: "Religion is the defense against authentic religious experience."





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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 45512 508 36_Re: Hebron Settlers Removal Petition12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:57:54 +0300388_windows-1252 Marty, Welcome back. Forgetting niceties, settlers should be removed from all west bank territory. They are hametz and don't belong in a nice "Jewish" state. Hag sameach. Amnon

----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Goodman Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:25 am Subject: Re: Hebron Settlers Removal Petition To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 46021 77 16_Re: passover ban12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:00:58 +0300695_us-ascii Steve, I knew that. read it in James Joyce. "I was jung and afreudened " Amnon ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Hancoff Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:54 pm Subject: Re: passover ban To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> > In a message dated 3/30/07 8:34:23 AM, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes: > > > > It's about infallibility - about control. > > > > Jung: "Religion is the defense against authentic religious > experience." > > > ************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, [...] 46099 96 16_Re: passover ban11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:20:59 -0600522_us-ascii At 11:47 AM 3/30/2007 -0400, Steve Hancoff wrote: >Jung: "Religion is the defense against authentic religious experience."



"Religion is based . . . mainly upon fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand . . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." Bertrand Russell [...] 46196 509 23_Re: Passover Stringency12_amnon hadary22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:29:36 +0300665_us-ascii Ok Elihu, I yield. You are a much bigger paskudnyak - (ugly, revolting, evil person; nasty fellow ) than me. Yeshar Koach. Amnon



----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:54 pm Subject: Passover Stringency To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG

> Passover Stringency > > By/From Rabbi Yisroel Groundfliegel shalit"a, > > Self-Described Halachik Authority and Successful Lower East Side > Real > Estate Developer > > Here are the halachik issues for Pesach 5767: > > 1. Braces > > Those people who normally wear braces while consuming chometzdike > food, > (food not kosher [...] 46706 645 35_HaAretz - Brad Burstyn on Hypocrisy16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:51:40 -0400506_ISO-8859-1 Haaretz israel news English

Last update - 10:31 30/03/2007

Muslim atrocities, Muslim victims, our silence By Bradley Burston

As Jews, we learn not to talk about it. We're taught, from an early age, that it's not our business. As leftists, we're taught to interpret it in the broader context, as the understandable outgrowth of occupation, of colonialism, of Western oppression. [...] 47352 39 26_Ronald Reagan Rots in Hell11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:05:19 -0600382_us-ascii af1797.jpg

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One day they meet at the rock * where Isaac was cut free at the last minute. Sara stands with her shoes off under the dome showing the tourists with their Minoltas around their necks the place where Mohammed flew up to heaven. Hagar is on her knees in the womens section praying. [...]