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2 104 17_For your interest19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 03:45:17 -0400
107 54 15_Holmes & Watson16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 09:40:38 -0400463_us-ascii Amnon, It's John H. Watson, MD, late of Her Royal Majesty's Fifth Northumberland Fusiliers. See Conan Doyle's A Study in Scarlet. No Matthew at all. ELIHU
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162 47 19_Re: Holmes & Watson12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 07:40:50 -0700696_us-ascii Elihu, Thanks for the correction. Sharon pointed that out to me, too. My only poor excuse is that I relied on a source (unreliable sources are so irritating.)
Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" Date: Monday, May 1, 2006 6:40 am Subject: Holmes & Watson
> Amnon, > It's John H. Watson, MD, late of Her Royal Majesty's Fifth > Northumberland Fusiliers. See Conan Doyle's A Study in Scarlet. > No > Matthew at all. > ELIHU > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, [...]
210 177 28_Fw: This will make you proud11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 07:54:03 -0700342_iso-8859-1 Warning: Do not open this if your mind is closed to the idea that we might have really good guys defending us and our lifestyles in this war against terorism and Muslim extremism. I think the rest of you, especially in the older age group, will get a giant boost and a feeling we are not getting "All the News, All the Time". [...]
388 42 60_A washingtonpost.com article from: elihu.davison@verizon.net0_25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 11:03:31 -0400483_- You have been sent this message from elihu.davison@verizon.net as a courtesy of washingtonpost.com
A Newsman Breaks the Mold in Arab World
By Anthony Shadid
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates From the clusters of plasma screens that adorn the red-tinted walls of al-Arabiya, one of the Arab world's most influential news channels, the battles of the Middle East aired on an hourly bulletin: more carnage in Iraq and a standoff over Iran's nuclear program....... [...]
431 255 21_Re: For your interest11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 08:11:00 -0700412_iso-8859-1 Aliya
Please help me with something. As George Bush has shown himself as the ONLY world leader to stand up against terrorism, the corruption in Koffi Annan's UN, Oil-for-food, Iran's nuclear program, etc., what is it that you think would happen (and will happen soon enough) if he were not in position against the bad guys? Have any of the disdainers even given that some serious thought? [...]
687 40 11_Funny Story12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 08:49:44 -0700590_tis-620 Aliya,
Some say that excessive humorlessness delays the coming of the messiah. But anyhow, I'll risk a comment on your "for your interest." For instance >You have two options-- you can save the life of GEORGE BUSH, or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize- winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful leaders. < There is a midrash about saving one's enemies that tells of Rabbi Akiva's students who came to him for a judgment on who's life to save when both Roman and Jewish wounded soldiers are lying in the field. Without hesitation the [...]
728 143 15_Fw: Josh Bolten11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 08:55:39 -0700567_iso-8859-1 Of interest?
Steve
> > >> >> WASHINGTON, March 28 (JTA) When Josh Bolten walked into his first >> meeting as a member of President Bush's Cabinet in the summer of 2003, he >> was asked to lead the president and the Cabinet in prayer. He chose to >> pray for the welfare of the American government, both in Hebrew and >> English, a sign of his strong Jewish identity. >> >> >> Bolten was named Tuesday as Bushs second chief of staff. He succeeds >> Andrew Card, who served more than five years in the post. The move comes [...]
872 30 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 09:35:19 -0700492_us-ascii This article about Josh Bolten is of interest only in that we have yet another right-wing Jew in a prominent position in the US. More "evidence" to the outside world of "what Jews are like." More misunderstandings and prejudices for progressive and liberal Jews to struggle against. -Sharon
-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Klein >Sent: May 1, 2006 8:55 AM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Fw: Josh Bolten > >Of interest? > >Steve > [...]
903 36 21_Re: For your interest12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 09:46:50 -0700
940 20 12_Chill out!!!12_mira sussman23_mirasussman@HOTMAIL.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 17:31:48 +0000
961 27 6_Bolten12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 14:30:35 -0700334_utf-8
The real question to ask about Bolten is not whether he is "good for the Jews" and for the
Habad rabbis who bask in his elevated position, rather the question should be is he good for
America, for the world. Hopefully the role of the Hof Juden –( court Jews) was put to rest with
>he Emancipation.
[...]
989 26 16_Re: Chill out!!!12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 1 May 2006 16:45:33 -0700428_us-ascii Mira. Even before the advent of polical correctness there were jokes that wwere considered to be beyond the pale. One didn't laugh at the handicapped or the challenged, nor mocked immigrants" accent. In short, someone slipping on a banana peel was not something to laugh at. Wishing to see someone drown, even if vicariously belongs to that category. Chilling out is good for Jello not for stifling sensitivities. [...]
1016 57 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 21:59:31 -0400479_ISO-8859-1 Most Jews in the US vote for Democratic candidates and support for progressive issues is the predominant theme, even on Israel. (See the Ameinu survey on attitudes on Disengagement.) I think this is actually the predominant image of the American Jewish community for non-Jews.
I am not thrilled that anyone at all supports the Republican party, but as long as they are in power, I do see the benefits of having some Jews supporting that side of the aisle. [...]
1074 58 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Mon, 1 May 2006 22:13:52 EDT465_US-ASCII Josh Bolton is a particularly troublesome person. It was he who at the State Department harassed CIA and NSA agents who refused to go along with Bolton's assessment of intelligence. Knowing what we do about the intelligence failures, this is a very bad way to behave. He was only confirmed to the UN Ambassador by a recess appointment because he could not get by the Senate. He just does not seem like a particularly good guy right now Jewish or not. [...]
1133 41 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Mon, 1 May 2006 23:25:21 -0400577_ISO-8859-1 This new chief of staff is someone else--Josh BoltEn. Not JOHN Bolton, who is the UN Ambassador and the person who was at the State Dept, etc Judy
Smfgrappa@AOL.COM wrote:
> Josh Bolton is a particularly troublesome person. It was he who at the > State Department harassed CIA and NSA agents who refused to go along > with Bolton's assessment of intelligence. Knowing what we do about the > intelligence failures, this is a very bad way to behave. He was only > confirmed to the UN Ambassador by a recess appointment because he > could not get by [...]
1175 80 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Tue, 2 May 2006 02:27:06 EDT655_US-ASCII
In a message dated 05/01/2006 11:25:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gelman@EROLS.COM writes:
This new chief of staff is someone else--Josh BoltEn. Not JOHN Bolton, who is the UN Ambassador and the person who was at the State Dept, etc Judy
Sorry for getting confused
sam
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1256 670 35_A personal tribute to Bernard Lewis8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Tue, 2 May 2006 13:16:08 +0200588_windows-1255 A Sage in Christendom A personal tribute to Bernard Lewis.
BY FOUAD AJAMI Monday, May 1, 2006 12:01 a.m.
Bernard Lewis came to the New World in the nick of time. Fate--or, more appropriately, history--decreed his American journey and the direction it would take. The historian, who will turn 90 in a handful of days, had come to Princeton from London, at the age of 58, in 1974, to do the work of Orientalism which had gained him scholarly renown. But there would be no academic seclusion for him in the years after. The lands of Islam whose languages and [...]
1927 147 15_dylan the dj?!?11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 09:26:55 -0400357_- Has anyone heard his show?
+++
April 30, 2006 Playlist
It's All Right, Ma: Bob Dylan Turns D.J.
By BOB DYLAN
WHO knew Bob Dylan was an LL Cool J fan?
Once famously reclusive, Mr. Dylan is now going very public with his eclectic musical tastes, on a show that makes its debut Wednesday on XM Satellite Radio. [...]
2075 50 22_A remarkable recording12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 07:41:08 -0700613_iso-8859-1 While Yom HaShoah is over, I thought this was something everyone should hear- sue
--- Blazergrp@aol.com wrote:
> From: Blazergrp@aol.com > Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:17:21 EDT > Subject: JLTV Special Bulletin > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > > This is a remarkable recording from the > Bergen-Belsen Death Camp of > liberated inmates singing "Hatikvah." This > recording is a piece of > history and makes the connection between the loss of > the 6 million and > the burning desire for the creation of a Jewish > State, as we celebrate > Israel's 58th birthday. JLTV's commitment is to [...]
2126 145 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement13_Steve Hancoff12_shx2@AOL.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 11:48:27 -0400428_utf-8 Amnon wrote:
Subject: The Death of Bereavement
Unsparing, he paints a society that decries bereavement itself even as it sidesteps a consequential assessment of its root causes – conflict and war. Is it possible, he asks that despite the lacerating pain at the loss of their beloved ones they still hold that the game is worth the yohrzeit candle – for it is the price of our national independence. [...]
2272 114 32_Re: Fw: This will make you proud12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 10:01:15 -0700408_tis-620 Steve , you wrote: This will make you proud Davka today on Yom Hazikaron for Israels fallen soldiers I read the pictorial depiction you sent of war and its glories. Maybe its the timing, maybe my abhorrence of war, even when in defense and justified, that has put me in a somber mood. Or maybe its a poem I read late last night that makes my nerves jangle at the very thought of your forward [...]
2387 24 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 13:00:37 -0400
2412 335 47_[QUAR] Brad Burstyn on the war between the Jews16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:06:20 -0400539_us-ascii
w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Last update - 09:50 02/05/2006
The war that divided Judaism
By Bradley Burston
It is Independence Day 2006 and here we are, still fighting the 1967 war. Next month, the war that took only 100 hours, the war that decided everything and nothing, will have lasted for 39 years. As time has passed the theaters of war have changed, as have the adversaries. [...]
2748 458 47_[QUAR] HaAretz - The War Within the Labor Party16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:18:13 -0400378_us-ascii Peretz clinches victory in party vote on appointing ministers By Mazal Mualem , Haaretz Correspondent and Haaretz Service
Labor Party Chairman Amir Peretz triumphed over opponents in his own party Sunday, as the Labor's Central Committee voted in favor of his proposal for the way in which the party's new ministers are chosen. [...]
3207 112 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 13:48:54 -0700540_tis-620 Hi Steve,
I need your help with the words of a song that begins with the words They're rioting in Africa and I believe ends with "And I don't like anyone very much" Was it sung by Lehr? Altho' it was a spoof there may be part of an answer to the questions you raised. Somewhere we have to shake off the notion that we are the universally disliked people. That notion is a pre- emptive paranoia. Just look at our holidays: Purim and Haman - never mind the opinion of scholars that the story is a fabrication (god doesn't [...]
3320 41 25_They're rioting in Africa11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 17:01:53 -0400376_- Merry Minuet by the Kingston Trio in a live performance recorded for their first in-concert album From the Hungry i LP 1959
originally written by Broadway lyricist Sheldon Harnick, who also wrote Fiddler on the Roof and Fiorello!, She Loves Me with composer Jerry Bock. This satire was introduced by Orson Bean in the 1953 revue John Murray Anderson 's Almanac. [...]
3362 170 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL30_Wed, 3 May 2006 00:03:26 +0200413_windows-874 Amnon - It's called The Merry Minuet and it was sung by the Kingston Trio. Great song. CarmiThey're rioting in Africa, They're starving in Spain. There's hurricanes in Florida, And Texas needs rain The whole world is festering With unhappy souls. The French hate the Germans, The Germans hate the Poles; Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch, And I don't like anybody very much! [...]
3533 67 32_from another source, with chords11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 17:05:33 -0400479_- The Merry Little Minuet The Kingston Trio
Transcribed by Mike Mirarchi
G D7 G G D7 G They're rioting in Africa C G C D7 G They're starving in Spain G D7 G G D7 G There's hurricanes in Florida G C D7 G C D7 G And Texas needs rain D7 The whole world is festering G With unhappy souls C G The French hate the Germans C D7 The Germans hate the Poles D7 G Italians hate Yugoslavs C G South Africans hate the Dutch C D7 G D7 G And I don't like anybody very much G [...]
3601 185 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@MINDSPRING.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 14:09:06 -0700549_WINDOWS-1252 I believe it was by Tom Lehrer- Linda On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 03:03 PM, Holtzer Family wrote:
> Amnon - It's called The Merry Minuet and it was sung by the Kingston > Trio. Great song. CarmiThey're rioting in > Africa, > They're starving in Spain. > There's hurricanes in Florida, > And Texas needs rain > The whole world is festering > With unhappy souls. > The French hate the Germans, > The Germans hate the Poles; > Italians hate Yugoslavs, > South Africans hate the Dutch, > And I don't like anybody very much! > > [...]
3787 55 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM28_Tue, 2 May 2006 17:40:22 EDT479_US-ASCII Plus ca change, plus la meme chose.
Debbie
"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag
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3843 64 29_Re: They're rioting in Africa12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:08:03 -0700613_us-ascii Thanks Noam, I get by (somwhow) with help from my friends. And here I thought that was connected to substance abuse. Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:01 pm Subject: They're rioting in Africa
> Merry Minuet > by the Kingston Trio in a live performance recorded for their first > in-concert album From the Hungry i LP 1959 > > originally written by Broadway lyricist Sheldon Harnick, who also > wroteFiddler on the Roof and Fiorello!, She Loves Me with composer > Jerry Bock. > This satire was introduced by Orson [...]
3908 205 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:10:14 -0700593_tis-620 And thanks to you Carmi Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:03 pm Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement
> Amnon - It's called The Merry Minuet and it was sung by the > Kingston Trio. > Great song. CarmiThey're rioting in Africa, > They're starving in Spain. > There's hurricanes in Florida, > And Texas needs rain > The whole world is festering > With unhappy souls. > The French hate the Germans, > The Germans hate the Poles; > Italians hate Yugoslavs, > South Africans hate the Dutch, > And [...]
4114 224 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:14:52 -0700564_tis-620 Hi Linda, that (Tom Leherer) was my impression too. But then again my memory cells are older than most of you. Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Hirschhorn Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:09 pm Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement
> I believe it was by Tom Lehrer- Linda > On Tuesday, May 2, 2006, at 03:03 PM, Holtzer Family wrote: > > > Amnon - It's called The Merry Minuet and it was sung by the > Kingston > > Trio. Great song. CarmiThey're rioting > in > > Africa, > > They're starving in Spain. [...]
4339 42 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:17:25 -0700702_us-ascii Debbie, In my school they didn't give change in the language classes. Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:40 pm Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement
> Plus ca change, plus la meme chose. > > Debbie > > "Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > [...]
4382 75 14_Re: Tom Lehrer12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:18:05 -0700410_iso-8859-1 Apparently, it was Tom Lehrer who introduced the song to the Kingston Trio ( he had recorded it too)- and so had Harry Belafonte...sue
amnon hadari wrote: Debbie, In my school they didn't give change in the language classes. Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:40 pm Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement [...]
4458 79 14_Re: Tom Lehrer12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 15:30:23 -0700608_iso-8859-1 Thanks Susie Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liberman Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 3:18 pm Subject: Re: Tom Lehrer
> Apparently, it was Tom Lehrer who introduced the song to the > Kingston Trio ( he had recorded it too)- and so had Harry > Belafonte...sue > amnon hadari wrote: Debbie, > In my school they didn't give change in the language classes. > Amnon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DebALev@AOL.COM > Date: Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:40 pm > Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement > > > Plus ca change, plus [...]
4538 29 19_Re: Fw: Josh Bolten12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 18:28:12 -0400480_us-ascii I agree with you, Judy.
Black voters, and organizations like the NAACP, are taken for granted by the Democratic Party and completely ignored by the Republican Party because their voting patterns are so lop-sided. (There seems to be a concerted effort by the GOP at the national level to groom Black Republican candidates for high offices, such as Maryland governor, but they're fighting a very difficult battle both among Black voters and white Republicans.) [...]
4568 22 17_Israeli by design11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 21:28:41 -0400520_ISO-8859-1 I really enjoyed this little tour of Israeli design nostalgia. Yom Haatzmaut Samayach- Judy
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/710429.html
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4591 246 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 19:17:32 -0700416_windows-874 I think the song all your old brain cells were reaching for was "National Brotherhood Week" (also by Tom Lehrer), in which is belted out the final line ". . . . . . and everybody hates the Jews".
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "amnon hadari" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: The Death of Bereavement [...]
4838 122 28_Re: The Death of Bereavement11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 2 May 2006 23:33:27 -0400342_windows-874 Love Tom Lehrer. He was certainly who I heard singing The Merry Little Minuet. One of the great failures of my UC Santa Cruz education was to not take one of his classes - "Math for Poets" or "Musical Theatre", being neither a poet or very musical.Noam+++ARTIST: Tom Lehrer TITLE: National Brotherhood Week Lyrics and Chords [...]
4961 272 26_This won't make you proud.11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Tue, 2 May 2006 22:26:26 -0600690_iso-8859-1 Bushs hand in the Terror War
Seen through a Syrian lens, Unknown Americans are provoking civil war Robert Fisk, UK Independent
By Mike Whitney http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12923.htm 05/02/06 "ICH' -- -- Robert Fisk has pulled the shroud off Bushs Iraq policy and exposed the rotting corpse below. In his latest article Seen through a Syrian Lens (UK Independent 4-29-06) Fisk fingers the US as the driving force behind the present alleged sectarian violence in Iraq. Hes produced information from a trusted security source that America is desperately trying to provoke a civil war around Baghdad in order to reduce its own military [...]
5234 412 30_Re: This won't make you proud.8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 3 May 2006 08:11:07 +0200418_US-ASCII Jesus, Phil, please don't tell me that you believe this stuff. If this sort of publication you trust to inform yourself about the Middle East - or anything else for that matter - than you need to step back a bit. I enjoy informed and spirited debate as much as the next guy, but this web site and this article are pure conspiracy crap. Time to rejoin the reality-based world again Phil. We miss you. Jon [...]
5647 124 4_Fisk8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 3 May 2006 11:28:26 +0200551_US-ASCII Never put your head in a paper tiger's mouth
History has taught us that revolutionaries should be taken seriously, writes Gerard Henderson.
SOME Englishmen still go out in the midday sun. Others just do lunch. It seems that the English-born journalist and author Robert Fisk had elected to take the second option when he was interviewed live from Beirut on ABC TV's Lateline last Wednesday. At the conclusion of the program, presenter Tony Jones described the interview as "rather unusual". You can say that again. [...]
5772 44 14_re bereavement13_Steve Hancoff12_shx2@AOL.COM30_Wed, 3 May 2006 05:17:59 -0400453_us-ascii Sharon --
No -- I did not write "people;" I wrote "peoples."
Steven
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5817 311 31_New Jewish School Needs Teacher13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@NYCAP.RR.COM30_Wed, 3 May 2006 07:15:51 -0400443_us-ascii I rarely post to Habonet but as a brief I and a group of people are trying to form a community Jewish school in the Albany region. Please show this announcement to your friends in education.
Job Posting ~ Head teacher for combined K-1-2 Classroom (full-time preferred) With BA degree Albany, NY ~ Commencing June 1, 2006 Keshet-The Jewish Community Day School of the Albany Region Hebrew speaker welcome, but not required [...]
6129 69 16_Re: Chill out!!!13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 3 May 2006 07:43:04 -0700609_iso-8859-1 Amnon, if we are not suppose to laugh at the handicapped or the challenged am I wrong when I laugh at everything Steve writes?
amnon hadari wrote: Mira. Even before the advent of polical correctness there were jokes that wwere considered to be beyond the pale. One didn't laugh at the handicapped or the challenged, nor mocked immigrants" accent. In short, someone slipping on a banana peel was not something to laugh at. Wishing to see someone drown, even if vicariously belongs to that category. Chilling out is good for Jello not for stifling sensitivities. [...]
6199 57 18_This Made Me Proud12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Wed, 3 May 2006 08:41:22 -0700575_tis-620 This made me proud Twenty four summers ago the calm decorum of Mevakshei Derekh, my normally quiet synagogue in Jerusalem, was suddenly broken -- twice; once at the end of July and again in mid-September. The first was when the start of Shabbat services was postponed because people were talking excitedly. On the 7 am news it was announced that Col. Eli Geva an Israeli brigade commander asked to be relieved of his command in Lebanon because he opposed an attack on Beirut. He had led his armored brigade in the capture of Tyre, the ancient port city south of [...]
6257 124 35_Re: New Jewish School Needs Teacher8_cpristoo17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET30_Wed, 3 May 2006 19:40:20 -0400633_ISO-8859-1 >===== Original Message From Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh ===== >I rarely post to Habonet but as a brief I and a group of people are >trying to form a community Jewish school in the Albany region. Please >show this announcement to your friends in education. > >Job Posting ~ >Head teacher for combined K-1-2 Classroom (full-time preferred) >With BA degree >Albany, NY ~ Commencing June 1, 2006 >Keshet-The Jewish Community Day School of the Albany Region >Hebrew speaker welcome, but not required > >About the school > >Keshet, a new Jewish day school opening September 2006, will offer [...]
6382 22 15_I'm The Decider11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 3 May 2006 21:28:56 -0400511_ISO-8859-1 WIth apologies to The Beatles. Put on your speakers, unless you are in the 32% of the US population that still thinks Bush is doing a good job. Judy Gelman
http://decider.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
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6405 48 19_Re: dylan the dj?!?0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Wed, 3 May 2006 23:21:30 EDT449_US-ASCII No I feel old beyond my years. What is XM Channel 40? Where does one find it?
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6454 40 17_Hitchens vs. Cole8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Thu, 4 May 2006 11:18:13 +0200327_us-ascii For those of you who enjoy online bitch-fests, check out this latest virtual scrap between Christopher Hitchens and Juan Cole. Personally, I think Cole's counter-arguments are kinda lame, especially when he call Hitchens a drunk and uses inane anti-war chants at the end of his screed, but decide for yourselves. [...]
6495 40 19_Re: dylan the dj?!?11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 4 May 2006 06:21:29 -0400317_ISO-8859-1 You have to have xm radio, which is one of two kinds of satellite radio (sirius with Howard Stern is the other.) THere is a monthly subscription fee. Once you subscribe, you can access it through your computer. Judy PS I wouldn't know any of this either but my 18 year old son bought one for himself. [...]
6536 79 4_Fisk11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Thu, 4 May 2006 11:30:46 -0600534_us-ascii Thanks for dissing me with the "conspiracy crap" label Jon. Excellent example of informed debate, huh? I suppose Robert Fisk has absolutely no credibility either. Instead of respecting a veteran reporter with years of real-world experience in the region, you would rather believe the neocon war criminals who lied us into Messopotamia for various reasons, including Israel. Regarding which crackpot theory, please read Robert Fisk's "United States of Israel" at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12865.htm [...]
6616 197 8_Re: Fisk8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Thu, 4 May 2006 21:38:52 +0200445_us-ascii Phil, I was referring tot he web site, not you. Do you honestly believe that the American military and the Bush administration is behind the suicide bombings in Iraq? No doubt he's doing it to help his poll numbers.
I'm not calling you an anti-Semite. What I can say is that the people whom that article cites - Chomsky, Said, Walt, Mearsheimer - and Fisk himself are ideologues who do not have our best interests at heart. [...]
6814 99 8_Re: Fisk12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Thu, 4 May 2006 15:16:09 -0400
6914 38 19_Re: dylan the dj?!?12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 4 May 2006 16:03:19 -0400521_us-ascii Satellite radio, like satellite TV (DirecTV or Dish Network), is a digital broadcast via satellite that is available by subscription. A digital signal provides superior sound (like the superior picture and sound on satellite TV), unless there's an electrical storm nearby, in which case you're SOL.
If you have DirecTV, I discovered last week that the music channels (in the 800's) have all been replaced with XM Radio channels. You can see a list of the channels toward the bottom of the page here: [...]
6953 239 38_Bruce on Seeger (was dylan the dj?!? )0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Thu, 4 May 2006 18:33:34 -0400572_utf-8 While we are talking about music, thought I would report on a performance I saw of Bruce Springsteen and the Seeger Sessions Band that I saw in New Orleans at Jazzfest last weekend. It was an unbelievable experience.
The band played traditional folk music material that I am guessing was not familiar to most of the tens of thousands of people there. The show was full of wonderful music and real emotion. Many of the songs had meaning for the situation in the Gulf Coast and Bruce wrote some specific lyrics for the occasion. A song from the 1929 stock [...]
7193 186 8_Re: Fisk11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 4 May 2006 22:05:50 -0400410_iso-8859-1 MessageI notice the "neocon times" does grant that he has "many legitimate points" even while noting that "Mr. Fisk is most passionate and least informed about Israel."
Dancing around the funeral pyre Playin' the violin -olin Playin' the violin
Noam
----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Fisk [...]
7380 268 68_The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Thu, 4 May 2006 22:05:21 -0600512_iso-8859-1 The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq The real news, which is not reported in the CNN "mainstream", is that the Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. This is the campaign of terror by death squads armed and trained by the US, which attack Sunnis and Shias alike. The goal is the incitement of a real civil war and the break-up of Iraq, the original war aim of Bush's administration. The ministry of the interior in Baghdad, which is run by the CIA, directs the principal death squads. [...]
7649 747 75_[QUAR] Tavor calling Alumni! Time to register for the reunion! June 9-11th.12_Danny Kanter20_kanter18@COMCAST.NET30_Thu, 4 May 2006 20:05:22 -0500552_us-ascii Don't be the last on your block to register for the reunion!
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8397 37 11_anti semite16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 06:17:45 -0400588_ISO-8859-1 In Habonet 2006-122, Phil Safier writes
> Now you can call me an anti-semite too.
OK. That said, however, the Robert Fisk piece on Walt & Mearsheimer, whose url you posted, is as fruity as the original Walt & Mearsheimer piece. Fisk is at least as free as W&M in taking quotes and notions out of context. W&M's paper (I've read both the 84 page original and the 23 page published version) is well--written, artful and sly. W&M are masterful at taking things out of context, of writing ahistorically and of just plain mis-stating the facts of the matter. Nor [...]
8435 226 16_Re: Chill out!!!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 08:22:46 -0700586_iso-8859-1 Richard
I have the feeling your question was rhetorical, and the feeling is further validated by the fact that Amnon has chosen not answer the question in question. So here is my non-answer to your non-question: You are certainly not wrong when you laugh at what I write or think. I would be very worried if you stopped, so please feel free to laugh away. I also know that the form of insulting you just engaged in has a small, enthusiastic audience of like-mindedness, so you are also boosting their endorphine and encephaline levels in the process. I just need [...]
8662 27 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 08:24:44 -0700
8690 161 30_Re: This won't make you proud.11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 08:40:46 -0700595_iso-8859-1 Phil
I have a question (not necessarily pertaining to this article, of course): What do you think someone could make up and print that would be so outrageous that nobody would be able to believe it? We have already been treated to the Jewish conspiracy that blew up the Trade Center. Not outrageous enough, I guess. I know if we put our creative brain cells together, we could come up with something. Hustler magazine once put out an article about Jerry Fallwell's mother making love to an elephant or something like that. Fallwell took the possibility seriously! Really! [...]
8852 232 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:56:27 +0200515_us-ascii Sharon, I don't have a problem with opposition to the war in Iraq or with dissent in general. But, as you yourself point out, using mendacious agitprop to back up your point of view is, in the end, counterproductive.
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon Gates Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 5:25 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap) [...]
9085 26 72_A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 09:24:53 -0700523_us-ascii http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=A.B.+Yehoshua&itemNo=712641
Found this interesting.
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9112 41 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 13:05:38 -0400
9154 43 15_SALVADOR OPTION12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 10:34:18 -0700651_us-ascii WAY TO GO, SHARON Shabbat Shalom
Sharon Gates Sent Friday, May 5, 2006 8:24 am To HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)
Does it make a major difference whether or not these allegations that Phil has forwarded are true? The US role in Iraq has been and continues to be indefensible, inhumane, counter-productive, and probably illegal. If the charges are true, the US is acting even more dispicably than has thus far been widely reported. If the charges are false, then the US is "merely" acting as dispicably as has thus [...]
9198 25 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 13:33:21 -0400379_us-ascii >>> Are you saying that I am using mendacious agitprop? <<<
Jon can, and no doubt will, speak for himself, but I think he was saying that there is ample _credible_ evidence to support the antiwar argument without resorting to crackpot theories, and that embracing such theories ("mendacious agitprop") discredits the rational arguments against the Iraq war. [...]
9224 48 76_Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 10:46:15 -0700781_us-ascii Batel, Please don't knock Yehoshua. He endorsed My book BUT IS IT JEWISH? Affirmations of an Unrepentant Zionist. Shabbat Shalom Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Batel Libes Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 9:24 am Subject: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=A.B.+Yehoshua&itemNo=712641 > > Found this interesting. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > [...]
9273 42 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 13:52:53 -0400630_us-ascii If that is what Jon meant (and I am sure he will correct us if we're wrong), then I also agree whole heartedly. -Sharon
-----Original Message----- >From: David Fleiss >Sent: May 5, 2006 1:33 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap) > >>>> Are you saying that I am using mendacious agitprop? <<< > >Jon can, and no doubt will, speak for himself, but I think he was saying that there is ample _credible_ evidence to support the antiwar argument without resorting to crackpot theories, and that embracing such theories [...]
9316 93 19_Re: SALVADOR OPTION0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 5 May 2006 14:29:09 EDT635_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/05/2006 1:33:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes:
Does it make a major difference whether or not these allegations that Phil has forwarded are true? The US role in Iraq has been and continues to be indefensible, inhumane, counter-productive, and probably illegal.
Yes Amnon. It makes a difference whether the allegations are true. If you go around spreading lies about the whole thing then you just lend credibility to Bush and his craziness. We have representatives of Bush here on Habonet who support everything he does. Jon is one of those. I think he is a [...]
9410 66 76_Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 14:38:18 -0400780_us-ascii I don't think I knocked Yehoshua, just said I found the article interesting.
Shabbat Shalom, Batel
-----Original Message----- >From: amnon hadari >Sent: May 5, 2006 1:46 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article) > >Batel, >Please don't knock Yehoshua. He endorsed My book BUT IS IT JEWISH? Affirmations of an >Unrepentant Zionist. >Shabbat Shalom >Amnon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Batel Libes >Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 9:24 am >Subject: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article) > >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=A.B.+Yehoshua&itemNo=712641 >> >> Found this [...]
9477 84 76_Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 14:52:32 -0400607_ISO-8859-1 Amnon--
Surely, given your current residence in California, you don't agree that the only possible way to live a Jewish life is in Israel.
I heard a variation of this rant by AB Yehoshua last summer. It is somewhat interesting but quite extreme and shows how little he understands Jewish life outside of Israel. The kernel of truth is that in Israel, the trappings of Judaism are part of cultural life of the nation. Therefore, even the African guest worker in Israel is more aware of Sukkot than some secular Americans who identify themselves as Jewish. And Israelis are less [...]
9562 342 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 5 May 2006 21:52:57 +0200426_us-ascii No Sharon, not at all. I was referring to the Fisk/Pilger/Juan Cole school of writing; not to anything that you yourself wrote.
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon Gates Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 7:06 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap) [...]
9905 58 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 15:06:23 -0400
9964 32 19_Re: SALVADOR OPTION12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 15:18:02 -0400
9997 151 90_Fwd: To Amnon-Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 12:22:45 -0700506_iso-8859-1
Note: forwarded message attached.
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10149 120 76_Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 12:39:07 -0700548_us-ascii Judy, One of the dangers of dwelling too long on our list, no matter in which hemisphere, is to lose the famous Jewish sense of humor. Call it a forensic failure. In this case it is a complete blind spot to things written with tongue in cheek. As a wag once observed: "depends on whose tongue in whose cheek " To the subsstance of your remarks, I thiink Yehoshua is wrong. Also, to the question of a California zip code, it makes communication difficult. They are 10 hours ahead of us. Do you realize that even as we pontificate they [...]
10270 52 32_Fwd: Priest, Preacher, and Rabbi12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 15:51:10 -0400599_us-ascii > One of the dangers of dwelling too long on our list, no matter in which > hemisphere, is to lose the famous Jewish sense of humor.
I don't usually forward material to Habonet, but this arrived moments after Amnon's lament.
Shabbat shalom everybody.
David
>A Priest, a Pentecostal Preacher and a Rabbi all served as chaplains to the >students of N.M.U. in Marquette, Mi. One day, someone made a comment that >preaching to people isn't all that hard, and a real challenge would be to >preach to a bear. They decided to go to the woods, find a bear, [...]
10323 53 76_Re: A.B. Yehoshua shocks, puts Israel above his Jewishness (link to article)0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Fri, 5 May 2006 16:29:28 EDT500_US-ASCII JJ Goldberg was at that session and had wonderful insights into what was, and what was not, taking place. Perhaps if JJ is lurking he could share his views - or print them in the FORWARD. Avi
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10377 32 19_Re: SALVADOR OPTION12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 14:07:07 -0700
10410 88 36_Re: Fwd: Priest, Preacher, and Rabbi12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 14:29:11 -0700584_us-ascii Thanks David you made my Shabbat,
AMNON
----- Original Message ----- From: David Fleiss Date: Friday, May 5, 2006 12:51 pm Subject: Fwd: Priest, Preacher, and Rabbi
> > One of the dangers of dwelling too long on our list, no matter in > which> hemisphere, is to lose the famous Jewish sense of humor. > > I don't usually forward material to Habonet, but this arrived > moments after Amnon's lament. > > Shabbat shalom everybody. > > David > > > >A Priest, a Pentecostal Preacher and a Rabbi all served as > chaplains to the > [...]
10499 50 108_agitprop and reliable sources (was Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap))11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:30:22 -0400468_iso-8859-1 I'm with you (and Jon and I think Sharon also for that matter) 99.99% on this David, but there are plenty of people I meet who thing that the NY Times and WashPost are mendacious agitprop and not credible sources :-)
Noam
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleiss" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap) [...]
10550 156 13_broad brushes11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:30:46 -0400386_iso-8859-1 Sam,
I agree with you on a lot of things, but I really don't agree with the labeling and broad generalizations that you sometimes send to the list - your note below is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that addressing specific points and issues rather than slamming individuals is the way to go (sticks closer to the truth and avoids "agitprop"). [...]
10707 37 15_Re: anti semite11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:31:08 -0400402_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elihu D. Davison" To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 6:17 AM Subject: anti semite
> In Habonet 2006-122, Phil Safier writes > >> Now you can call me an anti-semite too. > > ... > Anyway, Phil, Jon is right to the extent that Fisk seems a dubious > expert. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? > [...]
10745 116 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:31:27 -0400486_iso-8859-1 You labeled it, not me Phil. I just wonder how, with all the leaking going on, it is possible to suppress word of these programs. Is the conspiracy that large and pernicious?
And as Sharon has pointed out, it's not like we need additional reasons to oppose the war.
Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Safier To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap) [...]
10862 41 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 18:43:03 -0400585_ISO-8859-1 Dear Phil,
This is an honest question: What does the US gain from a civil war?
I get most of my news from the mainstream media--NYTImes, Washington Post, NPR--and it seems pretty clear to me that there are death squads operating. Dozens of men turn up executed every day and their families say that they were taken by armed men in uniforms. I don't know who is arming them, giving them uniforms and training them and whether, even if armed and trained by the US, it is intentional or a product of mismanagement of the recruitment and training process, of [...]
10904 76 68_The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Fri, 5 May 2006 22:55:01 -0600463_us-ascii Reasonable question Judy. Thanks.
If the neoconmen and women really want permanent bases in Iraq, permanent war on "terror," control of the oil, etc, then chaos serves them, not national unity. They can continue to rule by fear and suck taxes from the sheeple. They ring the Pavlovian bells of democracy, freedom, protecting the homeland, ad naus, and the American lapdogs salivate, roll over, and play dead (or get blown to pieces by IEDs). [...]
10981 116 36_Re: Fwd: Priest, Preacher, and Rabbi11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 6 May 2006 08:09:58 -0700421_iso-8859-1 I hadn't realised we were allowed to have good, clean fun!
Here is my contribution:
Two rabbis were exchanging latest woes. One said, "Over the past two years, members of my congregation have been converting to the Quaker faith. Now some of my best Jews are Friends!"
. . . .and by the way, have you heard the one about the Israeli moving man? He overschlept. [...]
11098 64 29_SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Sat, 6 May 2006 09:57:29 -0600531_us-ascii HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?. HOPE ALL IS WELL. MY NAME IS ( SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS, I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, SERVING IN THE MILITARY WITH THE ARMY?S 3RD INFANTRY DIVISION. WITH A VERY DESPERATE NEED FOR ASSISTANCE, I HAVE SUMMED UP COURAGE TO CONTACT YOU. I FOUND YOUR CONTACT PARTICULARS IN AN ADDRESS JOURNAL. I AM SEEKING YOUR KIND ASSISTANCE TO MOVE THE SUM OF ( $8 MILLION U.S. DOLLARS ) EIGHT MILLION UNITED STATES DOLLARS TO YOU IN UNITED STATES, AS FAR AS I CAN BE ASSURED THAT MY SHARE WILL BE SAFE [...]
11163 85 33_Re: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 6 May 2006 19:17:10 +0200669_us-ascii http://www.scamorama.com/lads_of_baghdad.html
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Phil Safier Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 5:57 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS
HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?. HOPE ALL IS WELL. MY NAME IS ( SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS, I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, SERVING IN THE MILITARY WITH THE ARMY?S 3RD INFANTRY DIVISION. WITH A VERY DESPERATE NEED FOR ASSISTANCE, I HAVE SUMMED UP COURAGE TO CONTACT YOU. I FOUND YOUR CONTACT PARTICULARS IN AN ADDRESS JOURNAL. I AM SEEKING YOUR KIND ASSISTANCE TO MOVE [...]
11249 46 24_A B Yehoshua and Shavuot12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Sat, 6 May 2006 11:11:10 -0700590_tis-620 Coming Events Lets face it there is no equality. Not even the distribution of holidays is equally distributed throughout the Jewish year. The year itself is divided almost evenly between two major leaguers, Rosh Hashanah (Say October) and Pesach ( April.) But the rest of the holidays are much more numerous in the first half. We only have four minors in the coming months, Lag ba Omer, Jerusalem Day (not a canonical one) Shavuot, and Tishaah BAv. And although we have till June 6th to think about it you can never start preparing too early. Anyhow I think that conspiracy [...]
11296 73 72_Re: The Salvador Option has been invoked in Iraq. (more conspiracy crap)11_Hank Kaplan16_hkmg@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 6 May 2006 15:44:20 -0700629_us-ascii
>The "wise man" was H.L. Menkin, who also said "I believe that all >government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time."
>Do these arrogant war criminals care about public opinion when they >control the voting process, the congress, the judiciary, and the media? >They rule a country of rubes who believe in the virgin birth, the >resurrection, and the rapture. As a wise man once said, "No one ever went >broke underestimating the American public." > >Go ahead and believe the lies about 9/11 and terrorism and America's >goodness and Jesus and His [...]
11370 83 33_Re: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sun, 7 May 2006 17:24:50 -0700608_us-ascii Phil- Surely you can't have taken this seriously? -Sharon
-----Original Message----- >From: Phil Safier >Sent: May 6, 2006 8:57 AM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS > >HOW ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY?. HOPE ALL IS WELL. >MY NAME IS ( SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS, I AM AN AMERICAN SOLDIER, >SERVING IN THE MILITARY WITH THE ARMY?S 3RD INFANTRY DIVISION. WITH A VERY >DESPERATE NEED FOR ASSISTANCE, I HAVE SUMMED UP COURAGE TO CONTACT YOU. I >FOUND YOUR CONTACT PARTICULARS IN AN ADDRESS JOURNAL. I AM SEEKING YOUR >KIND ASSISTANCE TO MOVE [...]
11454 32 33_Re: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Mon, 8 May 2006 02:14:58 -0600678_us-ascii Don't call me Shirley.
At 12:00 AM 5/8/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:24:50 -0700 >From: Sharon Gates >Subject: Re: SGT 1ST CLASS ) DANIEL V. ESS >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Phil- >Surely you can't have taken this seriously? >-Sharon
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11487 296 42_Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@GMAIL.COM30_Mon, 8 May 2006 16:30:00 -0500348_ISO-8859-1 Warren Buffett, dire threat to Israel By Bradley Burston
Not since Hamas, not since Ahmadinejad, has there been such a threat to Israel.
It came from the last place we expected it. And, perhaps for the first time in Israeli history, the threat was kept a complete secret until it was too late. [...]
11784 82 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM30_Mon, 8 May 2006 17:52:32 -0500671_us-ascii At 16:30 -0500 5/8/06, Rosalind Barland wrote: >Warren Buffett, dire threat to Israel > >By Bradley Burston
[snip]
>"The Israeli Dream," gushed Maariv's blue-white banner headline >heralding Buffett's purchase of 80 percent of Galilee-based Iscar >Metalworking from its founder and sole owner, the Wertheimer family.
My understanding is that yesterday, the day that Ehud Olmert officially moved in to the Prime Minister's office, the first thing that was placed on his desk was notification that the State of Israel would be receiving $1 Billion in income tax revenue as a result of the Iscar sale. Nice start.
11867 137 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Mon, 8 May 2006 20:09:46 -0400526_us-ascii It was startling to see that the tax impact of this deal could materially affect the Israeli budget. I don't know the exact numbers of Olmert's promises to his coalition partners, but is it possible that Buffett just paid the bill?
BTW, Bradley's tongue in cheek article was pretty entertaining.
Ken
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12005 61 41_Repairing Exile: The People, and the Land12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Mon, 8 May 2006 18:15:58 -0700602_tis-620 Shavuot Haverim/ot
The book of the Bible selected by the Sages for the Shavuot Service is the scroll of Ruth and there is no need for an extended explanation of the connection between that scroll and the festival of Shavuot. The connection is evident from a straightforward reading of the text. Naomi and Ruth return to Bethlehem. A prescient reader thinks aha! King David was born in Bethlehem where Ruth and Boaz were married and where David was anointed King over Israel. But we get ahead of ourselves. The mother and daughter in-law return to Bethlehem during the wheat harvest [...]
12067 24 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 08:03:32 -0700
12092 47 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Tue, 9 May 2006 12:05:16 EDT382_US-ASCII ditto. Avi
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12140 39 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 09:38:58 -0700598_us-ascii Ditto my friends Sharon and Avi
Amnon
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12180 20 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 12:48:29 -0400447_us-ascii I thought it was the Rush Limberger fans who were "dittoheads"?
Noam
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12201 34 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM30_Tue, 9 May 2006 12:13:41 -0500669_us-ascii Hi All,
Apparently Buffet bought another Israeli company today although it was much smaller.
I wonder if he'd be interested in buying the entire West Bank at an appropriately discounted price?
David Ferri
At 20:09 -0400 5/8/06, kbob24@AOL.COM wrote: >It was startling to see that the tax impact of this deal could materially affect the Israeli budget. I don't know the exact numbers of Olmert's promises to his coalition partners, but is it possible that Buffett just paid the bill? > >[snip] > >>"The Israeli Dream," gushed Maariv's blue-white banner headline heralding Buffett's purchase of 80 percent of Galilee-based Iscar [...]
12236 41 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 13:56:54 -0400671_UTF-8 Interesting idea David, but I don't think they satisfy the criteria that Buffett is very strict about. Seems to fail on all accounts, esp 2-4.
Noam
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BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. ACQUISITION CRITERIA We are eager to hear from principals or their representatives about businesses that meet all of the following criteria: (1) Large purchases (at least $75 million of pre-tax earnings unless the business will fit into one of our existing units), (2) Demonstrated consistent earning power (future projections are of no interest to us, nor are “turnaround” situations), (3) Businesses earning good returns on equity while employing little or [...]
12278 86 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Tue, 9 May 2006 14:21:01 EDT694_US-ASCII
In a message dated 5/9/2006 1:28:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM writes:
I wonder if he'd be interested in buying the entire West Bank at an appropriately discounted price?
Buffet buys into people committed to growth and development, not death and destruction. The problem of course is that most Palestinians want butter, not guns, but they have to take collective responsibility for that choice, it is not Israel's responsibility to make choices for the Palestinians. The last Palestinian election was a referendum against corruption. Perhaps the next one will be a referendum on the issue of peace. In the meantime, [...]
12365 31 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 14:33:19 -0400346_us-ascii "Buffet buys into people committed to growth and development, not death and destruction. ...no sane country would willngly transfer funds to an enemy combatant committed to its destruction. Avi"
I had no idea that Buffett was "the Zionist Entity".
If he were, I'd think Israel bonds would get a better rate of return! [...]
12397 49 46_Re: Warren Buffet and Stef Wertheimer/ Haaretz11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM30_Tue, 9 May 2006 14:09:03 -0500641_us-ascii ROFL. #4 is the real deal breaker.
Of course, you might recall that I said "at an appropriately discounted price."
Regards, David
At 13:56 -0400 5/9/06, Noam Stopak wrote: >Interesting idea David, but I don't think they satisfy the criteria >that Buffett is very strict about. Seems to fail on all accounts, >esp 2-4. > >Noam > >+++ > >BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. >ACQUISITION CRITERIA >We are eager to hear from principals or their representatives >about businesses that meet all of the following criteria: >(1) Large purchases (at least $75 million of pre-tax earnings >unless the business will fit into one [...]
12447 63 11_Tom & Jerry8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 10 May 2006 07:36:10 +0200480_us-ascii http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai =214&ar=1049wmv&ak=null
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12511 229 44_The Intelligence Problem - from Stratfor.com8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 10 May 2006 08:06:33 +0200609_us-ascii The Intelligence Problem By George Friedman
Porter Goss has been fired as director of the CIA and is to be replaced by Gen. Michael Hayden -- who is now deputy to Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte and formerly was director of the National Security Agency (NSA). Viewed from beyond the Beltway -- and we are far outside the Beltway -- it appears that the Bush administration is reshuffling the usual intelligence insiders, and to a great extent, that is exactly what is happening. But there is more: White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, having decided such matters as [...]
12741 766 44_[QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two12_Danny Kanter20_kanter18@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 9 May 2006 23:37:26 -0500401_us-ascii
Habonim Alumni,
There are 31 days remaining before our celebration of 50th Summers of Camp Tavor.
It is not too late to register!
Several weeks back I sent out a list of 75 lost alumni and I received an overwhelming response
and was able to find close to 25, a couple of which will be attending the reunion, June 9-11th, 2006. [...]
13508 42 9_zip codes12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 10 May 2006 18:35:26 -0700607_tis-620 Zip codes Haverot/im I recently came to the US for personal reasons that are not germane to a discussion of where a Jew should live. I will be going back soon however for Zionist reasons that are very much to that point. Granted that when I say, should it may sound prescriptive, almost an imperative. And since words sometimes come clumped together, more like compounds than solitary atoms and since hadracha was often heavily into telling - not as heavily into showing, I write cautiously. The word most frequently clumped with imperative is categorical. The pair sound so prescriptive and [...]
13551 44 13_Re: zip codes19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Thu, 11 May 2006 00:58:21 -0400
13596 1161 65_[QUAR] RE: HABONET Digest - 9 May 2006 to 10 May 2006 (#2006-128)11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Thu, 11 May 2006 00:07:59 -0400378_US-ASCII Re: Tom and Jerry...
Oh, my God! Where do people come up with these things?????
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of HABONET automatic digest system Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:00 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: HABONET Digest - 9 May 2006 to 10 May 2006 (#2006-128) [...]
14758 38 13_schadenfreude12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Thu, 11 May 2006 05:54:34 -0700446_us-ascii Aliya Your distress is palpable or is it prurience? You have two choices that come to mind. 1 the delete key. 2 a chaverlike off line message asking "what's up."
Haver Amnon
amnon hadari wrote on 5/10/06, 9:35 PM:
> I recently came to the US for personal reasons that are not germane > to a discussion of where a Jew should > live. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .One has to avoid hubris like a plague . . . . . . [...]
14797 38 13_Re: Zip codes12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 11 May 2006 08:13:47 -0700603_iso-8859-1 Amnon- I don't agree that your decision to go back to Jerusalem has nothing to do with "much"--Firstly, you had spent umpteen years as a madrich-dugma to probably close to a thousand "chevre"- Then, after having helped in building up our "galut guilt"- leave Israel for whatever reason, but try and defend this action by denegrating Israel as a place which- in this global economy -only holds its importance in kiosks which sell hamentashen ( ooops- or was that Sharon?)-- But you employ literature to justify your actions; now you have experienced "Galut" and want to run back to where [...]
14836 50 13_Cell memories12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 11 May 2006 08:33:57 -0700553_iso-8859-1 Deepak Chopra explains in one of his books the fact that our cells have a unique memory ( ie- how does a cell "know" to become part of a nose, or brain, or heart)...I have found that Habonet has strengthened that theory in reconnecting hundrfeds of "chevre" who lived through the 50ws, 60's, 70s with no contact, then, because of this and the internet, have reconnected and discovered that the Habonim "bond" had been lying dormant for so long, but is still there, as strong as it had been on the last day in 1974, or 1982, when we last [...]
14887 61 17_Re: Cell memories8_cpristoo17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Thu, 11 May 2006 12:27:39 -0400610_ISO-8859-1 >===== Original Message From Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh ===== >Deepak Chopra explains in one of his books the fact >that our cells have a unique memory ( ie- how does a >cell "know" to become part of a nose, or brain, or >heart)...I have found that Habonet has strengthened >that theory in reconnecting hundrfeds of "chevre" who >lived through the 50ws, 60's, 70s with no contact, >then, because of this and the internet, have >reconnected and discovered that the Habonim "bond" had >been lying dormant for so long, but is still there, as >strong as it had been [...]
14949 78 27_Passing along a request ...11_Don Goelman25_don.goelman@VILLANOVA.EDU31_Thu, 11 May 2006 12:45:43 -0400429_UTF-8 Hope the forwarded message is readable (what I do is go to the View menu, select Character Encoding and then Hebrew (Windows)). I've stripped the various intermediate stops, but one of the earlier forwarders was Shai Medioni, Galil Tzevet early 90's (which makes me a little less skeptical).
If our Israeli chaverim can confirm its veracity (Shai is pretty confident of it), maybe those of us in Hu"L can help. [...]
15028 51 17_Re: schadenfreude11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 11 May 2006 19:51:22 -0400435_ISO-8859-1 Dear Amnon,
As I remember and I'm sure Aliyah and Susie do as well, your announcement that you were leaving Eretz Yisrael was also couched in ideological terms about the country's deficiencies. When I read it, I was so concerned about what you could possibly need that Israel could not provide (all I could think was some exotic medical treatment) that I called your former stepson to inquire about your health. [...]
15080 32 48_Petition Against Green Party Divestment Campaign11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 11 May 2006 21:53:01 -0400344_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevreh,
I am pretty sure that back in December I sent you the Ameinu press release condemning the Green Party divestment resolution. Now there is an action you can take on this issue (besides joining Ameinu, which you should of course do anyway!) Please read the petition at the URL below and sign it if you agree. [...]
15113 47 48_Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two0_15_Hamgal5@AOL.COM29_Fri, 12 May 2006 02:20:34 EDT449_US-ASCII hi dan, peggy kutas lives in israel and has for like the past 20+ years. jody
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15161 113 48_Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two5_aviva21_aviva5675@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 12 May 2006 05:35:05 -0500401_iso-8859-1 and Carolyn Honey is still around San Francisco- Rachel says shes good friends with Steve and Laura Sherman, Hi Jody! Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamgal5@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two
hi dan, peggy kutas lives in israel and has for like the past 20+ years. jody [...]
15275 67 17_Re: schadenfreude12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 12 May 2006 08:16:32 -0700580_us-ascii I probably shouldn't reply to this, as it is inviting all sorts of responses by Habonet chevre, but I choose to live dangerously. Amnon's announcement of his decision to leave Israel was not couched in ideological terms. As with a lot of his writing, it was surrounded by a discussion of ideology, but he pointedly said "For personal reasons I've decided to leave Israel for an indefinite period." In writing about his return to Israel, he said "I recently came to the US for personal reasons that are not germane to a discussion of where a Jew should live." (Thank [...]
15343 154 22_Fwd: Re: schadenfreude12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 12 May 2006 09:37:21 -0700506_iso-8859-1
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15498 106 21_PS--Re: schadenfreude12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 12 May 2006 09:40:58 -0700392_iso-8859-1
And by the way- "hitting the delete key" is a way of not facing confrontation and I feel, when being challenged, is cowardly. Why not face up to things- The Habonim Boys Club does....I usually hit the delete key when I see something which is not worthy of my paying any attention to. I would hope that -as "chevre"- we wouldn't do that to people we care about...susie [...]
15605 1044 50_[QUAR] British Academic Anti-Israel Boycott Again?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 12 May 2006 12:31:46 -0400752_us-ascii
www.EngageOnline.org.uk
NATFHE: Chuck out 198C! - Jon Pike
mailbox:///C|/DOCUMENTS%20AND%20SETTINGS/USER/APPLICATION%20DATA/Mozilla/Profiles/default/wpzyhptx.slt/Mail/incoming.verizon-2.net/Inbox?number=23635098&part=1.3 The union that covers staff in the newer universities is to consider a further resolution on boycotting Israeli universities at its conference in Blackpool later this month. There are reports in the Israeli media that suggest that the resolution facing Natfhe is a full-on boycott resolution, and that suggest that it is already in place. This isn't true. This is what the resolution 198C says: [...]
16650 320 25_Re: PS--Re: schadenfreude8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 12 May 2006 21:52:17 +0200669_us-ascii Sue, do you want to join the Boy's Club? We're a non-discriminatory body, you know.
And we need someone to make coffee...
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sue Liberman Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:41 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: PS--Re: schadenfreude
And by the way- "hitting the delete key" is a way of not facing confrontation and I feel, when being challenged, is cowardly. Why not face up to things- The Habonim Boys Club does....I usually hit the delete key when I see something which is not worthy of my paying any [...]
16971 27 12_Shabbat Emor12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sat, 13 May 2006 14:45:30 -0400521_tis-620 Haverot/im A number of remarks on Shabbat Emor (Speak Up) 1) My life: Who am I? the dry numbers on two ID documents tell part of the story. My Israeli teudat zehut indicates that I got off a ship in Haifa on April 11, 1948 when I was 18. The British had just begun their departure from Palestine then, exiting thru Haifa. The second document reveals that I was a soldier in the IDF from May 15, 1948 and served in active and then reserve units till I was 55 . Actually I was born in Palestine but my family [...]
16999 55 16_Re: Shabbat Emor0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Sun, 14 May 2006 12:30:46 EDT525_UTF-8 In a message dated 5/13/06 2:40:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gershon-keileh@013.NET writes:
> But I am not resigning from Habonet, guess you’re stuck with me.
Thank goodness ... or whoever :) Avi
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17055 46 16_Re: Shabbat Emor12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 14 May 2006 14:21:27 -0400
17102 73 9_bbat Emor12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:11 -0400644_iso-8859-7 From amnon hadari Sent Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:21 pm To HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject Re: Shabbat Emor
Avi Shalom
----- Original Message -----
From: JLCAA@AOL.COM
Date: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: Shabbat Emor
> In a message dated 5/13/06 2:40:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > gershon-keileh@013.NET writes: > > > > But I am not resigning from Habonet, guess youre stuck with me. > > Thank goodness ... or whoever :) > Avi > The Othodox are unable to call god by that "Shem ha'mfurssh" (or Hashem.> -- [...]
17176 48 48_Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two0_15_Hamgal5@AOL.COM29_Mon, 15 May 2006 05:57:37 EDT416_US-ASCII hi to you 2. dont know if u know but we left chicago in feb and moved back to israel. hope all is well jody
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17225 112 48_Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two5_aviva21_aviva5675@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 15 May 2006 05:33:41 -0500421_iso-8859-1 Wow, no didnt know. What are you doing now and was that decision a long time coming? How old are your kids now? a ----- Original Message ----- From: Hamgal5@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: [QUAR] Help Find Lost Tavor Alumni-Round Two
hi to you 2. dont know if u know but we left chicago in feb and moved back to israel. hope all is well jody [...]
17338 46 41_To all chevre in Israel-Avi's comedy tour12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 15 May 2006 12:45:43 -0700388_iso-8859-1 The following is the schedule for the comedy tour my son organizes; the shows start at 9:30 PM with seating at beginning at 9. Anyone interested in going plese email me...I knwo there will be PR soon- but heer is the advanced schedule: June 21- Ra'anana- at Mofet Hall June 22 Efrat- the Social Center June 25- Tel Aviv- Moadon Tzavta June 26- Jerusalem- Yellow Submarine [...]
17385 52 19_Re: Amnon's staying0_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Mon, 15 May 2006 22:16:45 -0400542_us-ascii Since Amnon has brought up his feelings publicly, I feel I can share with Habonet. I have not taken an active role in the discussions as have many others but who "listen in" because the tenor has turned me off and the rancor, etc. it's better but when a person probes into a person's personal life; that's going too far. Not everything is public even though we think we are all "family"; we are not all "family" and I don;t even share some of my personals with my own family. I think itis repulsive to rebuke some one for their [...]
17438 167 19_Re: Amnon's staying19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Tue, 16 May 2006 02:37:05 -0400
17606 59 32_Disingenuous was Amnon's Staying12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Tue, 16 May 2006 12:45:04 -0700349_utf-8 Aliya, A world war 2 joke: After a failed attempt on his life by some of his generals, Hitler convened some of his trusted officers in the underground bunker and made this terse announcement, “Ok, Mr good guy is over!”
Below is a copy of your first and failed attempt on my reputation. >amnon hadari wrote on 5/10/06, 9:35 PM: [...]
17666 47 36_Re: Disingenuous was Amnon's Staying0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM29_Tue, 16 May 2006 16:34:07 EDT440_US-ASCII Children, children. Isn't this enough already? Referees? C'mon......
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17714 260 57_Civil Liberties and National Security - from Stratfor.com8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 17 May 2006 07:37:06 +0200594_US-ASCII Civil Liberties and National Security By George Friedman
USA Today published a story last week stating that U.S. telephone companies (Qwest excepted) had been handing over to the National Security Agency (NSA) logs of phone calls made by American citizens. This has, as one might expect, generated a fair bit of controversy -- with opinions ranging from "It's not only legal but a great idea" to "This proves that Bush arranged 9/11 so he could create a police state." A fine time is being had by all. Therefore, it would seem appropriate to pause and consider the matter. [...]
17975 117 36_Re: Disingenuous was Amnon's Staying19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Wed, 17 May 2006 01:25:27 -0400
18093 278 61_Re: Civil Liberties and National Security - from Stratfor.com12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Wed, 17 May 2006 08:00:58 -0700459_us-ascii Wow--this is an astonishingly clear and cogent article. Friedman writes in such a straight-forward manner that I can't tell which side of the liberty/security divide he falls on himself (if, indeed, he does fall on one side or the other). And while I know which side of that divide I myself fall on, I fully agree with his point that "No consensus can possibly emerge when both sides of the debate are dishonest with each other and themselves." [...]
18372 333 61_Re: Civil Liberties and National Security - from Stratfor.com8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 17 May 2006 18:24:53 +0200318_us-ascii You're welcome Sharon. Friedman's article appealed to me precisely for that reason: it is non-ideological and free of the gratuitous name-calling that passes for political discourse in the US these days. Both from the right and the left, let me hasten to add. I even wonder if such a debate is possible. [...]
18706 77 19_Personae Non-Gratis12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 17 May 2006 09:09:06 -0700550_iso-8859-1 I was recently "called on the carpet" as being judgemental and "who was I to become a god and declare what is right and what is wrong."...I feel the need to answer, and then that is that. We are all products of an educational system in which social justice and "hagshma atzmit" and acting as a "dugmah" were the basic tenets not only in Judaism, but in Habonim and "the world we lived in" and I remember summers sitting andf having sichot on civil rights, etc etc. But it wasn't something that was a "PC" thing- we then had exercises [...]
18784 41 15_Civil Liberties12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 17 May 2006 11:20:19 -0700540_us-ascii Jon, What a welcome braeth of fresh air.
Amnon
Jon Baum Sent Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:24 am To HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject Re: Civil Liberties and National Security - from Stratfor.com You're welcome Sharon. Friedman's article appealed to me precisely for that reason: it is non-ideological and free of the gratuitous name-calling that passes for political discourse in the US these days. Both from the right and the left, let me hasten to add. I even wonder if such a debate is possible. [...]
18826 49 26_Buli (A.B. Yehoshua Redux)12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 17 May 2006 20:43:00 -0700563_tis-620 Haverot/im I missed the report of what Israeli Author A. B. Yehoshua (Buli) said that ruffled so many feathers. But whatever it was the venue was wrong and the libretto off key. At a gala of the American Jewish Committee by the Rivers of Washington one could probably have been more circumspect. But the issue is certainly moot. How can you sing the lords song if you do not accept his sovereignty? Surely if the notion of God is to have provenance in a democratic state then one must predicate it on the consent of the subjects to be religionists. [...]
18876 23 30_Re: Buli (A.B. Yehoshua Redux)11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:39 -0700463_US-ASCII Hi Amnon, If you want to catch up on what he actually said, the Haaretz website still has links to his original comments and what came after.
Batel
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18900 41 30_Re: Buli (A.B. Yehoshua Redux)12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 17 May 2006 21:24:56 -0700686_us-ascii Thanks Batel Amnon
----- Original Message ----- From: Batel Libes Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:52 pm Subject: Re: Buli (A.B. Yehoshua Redux)
> Hi Amnon, > If you want to catch up on what he actually said, the Haaretz website > still has links to his original comments and what came after. > > Batel > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: [...]
18942 50 24_ebay Photos-Afikim 1938?0_15_ronoren@AOL.COM31_Thu, 18 May 2006 01:41:36 -0400763_us-ascii Someone on ebay is offering 3 photos, supposedly from Afikim, 1938, showing a young Habonim chalutz named Chaim. Sorry for the long link. If you can't copy and paste the whole thing, go to ebay.com and search "Habonim".
http://cgi.ebay.com/3-Original-Antique-B-W-Photos-Israel-Young-Pioneer-Man_W0QQitemZ6275460290QQcategoryZ14279QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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18993 64 19_Re: Civil Liberties8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Thu, 18 May 2006 11:22:02 +0200398_us-ascii Uh...thanks Amnon. Did you mean the article or my reply to Sharon? Either way, glad you liked it.
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of amnon hadari Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:20 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Civil Liberties
Jon, What a welcome braeth of fresh air. [...]
19058 122 28_Re: ebay Photos-Afikim 1938?14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Thu, 18 May 2006 11:19:01 +0200365_ISO-8859-1 If you type in "habonim" to the search box, you won't get anything. Try using the item number 6275460290 instead.
Nice pictures, but no dates on them. Anyone know who Chaim is?
Ebayer Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: ronoren@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: ebay Photos-Afikim 1938? [...]
19181 413 37_[QUAR] Fw: ADL Connections - May 200611_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 17 May 2006 19:35:53 -0700494_iso-8859-1 ADL I know a lot of us get ADL stuff, but for those that don't. . . .
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It's OK to Call Jews "Apes and Pigs" in Sweden A nation that has historically been tolerant towards minorities, Sweden is now providing a loophole in its anti-hate laws to allow for anti-Semitic rhetoric. [...]
19595 29 31_"This is my own my native land"12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Thu, 18 May 2006 06:38:59 -0700376_us-ascii Bradly, a habonim alumnus formerly at Gezer, now on the staff of Haaretz, wrote an excellent article which goes to the heart of the A.B. Yehoshua imbroglio. I met him recently at Gezer and was impressed by his "non-lecturing" style. Smart, knowledgeable, and holding out some hope.
Amnon
Do American Jews have a homeland at all? By Bradley Burston [...]
19625 510 20_[QUAR] Mark my words15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM31_Thu, 18 May 2006 21:57:11 -0400512_UTF-8 Chevre, Shalom
I'm sure I'm not the only one to pass on this provocative op-ed by Eric Yoffie to Habonet. But since I receive Habonet as a digest later tonight, I have no way of knowing if I'm merely duplicating others' initiative.
But I must say I agree with Yoffie.
Devoutly secular Israeli Jews are distinctly in danger of losing their Judaism (becoming Hebrew-speaking goyim) and, as only one impact of that, of cutting themselves off further and further from Diaspora Jewry. [...]
20136 37 24_Re: [QUAR] Mark my words12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Thu, 18 May 2006 21:29:10 -0700445_us-ascii ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Weinberg Date: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:57 pm Subject: [QUAR] Mark my words
> Chevre, Shalom > > I'm sure I'm not the only one to pass on this provocative op-ed by > Eric Yoffie to Habonet. But since I receive Habonet as a digest > later tonight, I have no way of knowing if I'm merely duplicating > others' initiative. > > But I must say I agree with Yoffie. [...]
20174 76 24_Re: [QUAR] Mark my words12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Fri, 19 May 2006 08:28:23 -0700657_utf-8 Yesterday Steve W posted Rabbi Yoffie’s reaction to A.B. Yehoshua’s comments at the American Jewish Committee’s function in Washington. Yoffie wrote: …“But Yehoshua is far more wrong than he is right.
As a secular Jewish nationalist, he does not understand at all the
role of Jewish religion in the history of the Jewish people.” Yoffie writes off the understanding of secular Jewish nationalists – because they are, well, secular. Below I cite Horace Kallen’s remarks on this very issue. If Yoffie would have inquired into Buli’s background (he regularly accompanied his father to a Sephardic synagogue in Jerusalem [...]
20251 92 17_Re: Mark my words12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 19 May 2006 08:47:38 -0700378_us-ascii I read Rabbi Yoffie's "As a secular Jewish nationalist, he does not understand at all the role of Jewish religion in the history of the Jewish people" not as a comment on secular nationalists, but as a comment on Yehoshua. Obviously some secular nationalists (including Amnon) do understand the role of Jewish religion in the history of the Jewish people. -Sharon [...]
20344 18 31_Mother Jones - The Israel Lobby16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 19 May 2006 13:11:09 -0400503_us-ascii http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url=http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2006/05/the_israel_lobby.html
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20363 113 24_More good news from Iran8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 19 May 2006 21:55:28 +0200445_us-ascii Iran eyes badges for Jews Law would require non-Muslim insignia
Chris Wattie National Post
Friday, May 19, 2006
Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany.
Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims. [...]
20477 129 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 19 May 2006 15:41:11 -0400658_us-ascii While there's not much I'd put past Ahmadinejad, this is a pretty outrageous story and, as they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Is the best available verification for this story "Iranian expatriates living in Canada"? It gives the story the sound of urban legend. -Sharon
-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Baum >Sent: May 19, 2006 3:55 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: More good news from Iran > >Iran eyes badges for Jews >Law would require non-Muslim insignia > >Chris Wattie >National Post > >Friday, May 19, 2006 > >Jews were made to wear stars to identify them in Nazi Germany. [...]
20607 37 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Fri, 19 May 2006 15:57:20 -0400412_us-ascii Iran report of Holocaust-style badges questioned
The National Post is sending shockwaves across the country this morning with a report that Iran's Parliament has passed a law requiring mandatory Holocaust style badges to identify Jews and Christians.
But independent reporter Meir Javedanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false. [...]
20645 2053 35_Fw: Jeweish Population of the World11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 19 May 2006 16:53:21 -0700466_iso-8859-1
From Steve
This is one of the most interesting articles I have seen yet , especially when you click on the different countries and get the detailed information about Jews in that part of the world . Hope you will find it interesting, enjoy, ----- Original Message -----
If you click on a particular country, it will give you a history of Judiasm in that country, with links to other information. [...]
22699 81 4_Star11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 19 May 2006 16:57:01 -0700601_iso-8859-1 For your entertainmment
> described as "the foremost Yiddish adapter of English poetry," and proudly > presented in commemoration of the one hundred anniversary of the death of > Francis Scott Key: > > O'zog, kenstu sehn, wen bagin licht dervacht, > Vos mir hoben bagrist in farnachtigen glihen? > Die shtreifen un shtern, durch shreklicher nacht, > Oif festung zich hoiben galant un zich tsein? > Yeder blitz fun rocket, yeder knal fun kanon, > Hot bawizen durch nacht: az mir halten die Fohn! > O, zog, tzi der "Star Spangled Banner" flatert in roim, > Ueber land fun [...]
22781 281 43_[QUAR] Fw: New Anti-Israel Blacklist Threat11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 19 May 2006 16:06:05 -0700500_iso-8859-1 ADL ----- Original Message ----- From: adl@adl.org To: kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: New Anti-Israel Blacklist Threat
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23063 48 23_Where are the Israelis?15_Nechemia Meyers23_meyers@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 20 May 2006 10:23:06 +0200517_windows-1255 I've been wonerdering why there are practically no Israeli participants in Habonet any more, alongside the many who lived here for a greater or shorter period of time. Can someone explain? Nechemia Meyers
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23112 222 27_Re: Where are the Israelis?5_Aviva18_deang@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sat, 20 May 2006 20:12:09 +0200574_windows-1255 We are out here-or in here-but some of us prefer to listen /Shabbat shalom from Omer-down South-Negev-Aviva
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Nechemia Meyers Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:23 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Where are the Israelis?
I've been wonerdering why there are practically no Israeli participants in Habonet any more, alongside the many who lived here for a greater or shorter period of time. Can someone explain? Nechemia Meyers _____ [...]
23335 72 22_Hello from Alan Reznik11_Alan Reznik14_reztoy@MSN.COM31_Sat, 20 May 2006 14:07:41 -0400291_iso-8859-1 Hi: This is my first message on this site. My name is Alan Reznik. I was on the 9th Habonim Workshop, the first at Gesher Haziv from 1959-1960. I live in Pittsburgh, PA. I am trying to renew contacts with the members of my workshop. Please contact me. Shalom, L'hitraot Alan [...]
23408 137 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Sun, 21 May 2006 22:36:22 -0400392_windows-1252 > Iran eyes badges for Jews > Law would require non-Muslim insignia > > Chris Wattie > National Post > > Friday, May 19, 2006
It seems the National Post (and Rabbi Marvin Hier at the Simon Wiesenthal Center) had overactive imaginations.
The National Post withdrew its story Friday afternoon. Note the denial from the *Jewish* member of the Iranian parliament. [...]
23546 152 38_Fw: FW: Iraq - raid on nuclear reactor11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 22 May 2006 08:49:13 -0700644_iso-8859-1
From a friend
Steve
Subject: Re: FW: Iraq - raid on nuclear reactor
Le Amnon Shalom rav, ve Boker Tov: I want to thank you very much for sending us this marvelous film of this incredible Israeli undertaking, the destruction of Iraq's nuclear reactor facility. One can only think and tremble about what might have happened had Israel, everyone from Menachem Begin to the pilots and crews and all their technical support and intelligence agencies not taken this courageous and daring action. Thank you also for the two wonderful photos from our Tel Aviv tour that you arranged and the [...]
23699 161 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 22 May 2006 09:01:42 -0700499_Windows-1252 David
What did Rabbi Hier do to you to deserve such approbation? Is there something we don't know about? Stoking fears of anti-semitism? Have we all been putting on a giant show just to gain world sympathy? Please tell me that Mel Gibson hasn't started making sense to you.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleiss" To: Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: Re: More good news from Iran [...]
23861 142 27_A question of Jewish Ethics0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Mon, 22 May 2006 13:21:01 EDT640_US-ASCII
I rec'd the following request yesterday. Does anyone on Habonet have a good answer to this question? Avi ***********************************************************
Hello, My Rabbi, Rabbi xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, suggested I contact you regarding a situation we have with one of our employees. We are looking for guidance not so much in terms of the legalities but of the Jewish ethics and teachings that may apply to this situation. We have a full time caretaker who has been with us for about 6 years. He has been unable to work due to a medical condition since late March. He is fully insured and has been [...]
24004 2469 42_NYRB - Michael Massing on the Israel Lobby13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:55 -0400459_iso-8859-1 I am forwarding this to the list on Elihu Davison's behalf. The list server was somehow rejecting it when he tried to forward it. [Note: this message does not carry the Forwarding tag on its subject line, and maybe that makes the difference.] ___ |Y| ^^^Yuval Habonet list admin,
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26474 86 31_Re: A question of Jewish Ethics0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Mon, 22 May 2006 15:43:54 EDT399_US-ASCII
In a message dated 5/22/06 10:21:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JLCAA@AOL.COM writes:
I believe the Rabbi would like to know what Jewish values come into the picture as we may need to help the caretaker transition into another situation. What might our obligations be regarding his care from a Jewish perspective? Is there some particular Torah around this issue? [...]
26561 63 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 22 May 2006 21:06:27 -0400292_ISO-8859-1 > What did Rabbi Hier do to you to deserve such approbation? Is there > something we don't know about? Stoking fears of anti-semitism? Have we > all been putting on a giant show just to gain world sympathy? Please > tell me that Mel Gibson hasn't started making sense to you. [...]
26625 79 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Mon, 22 May 2006 21:40:51 -0400545_ISO-8859-1 Very well put. Judy
David Fleiss wrote:
>> What did Rabbi Hier do to you to deserve such approbation? Is there >> something we don't know about? Stoking fears of anti-semitism? Have >> we all been putting on a giant show just to gain world sympathy? >> Please tell me that Mel Gibson hasn't started making sense to you. > > > There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside > watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath > and sang out, "Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing [...]
26705 94 31_Re: A question of Jewish Ethics0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Tue, 23 May 2006 10:43:39 EDT524_US-ASCII
In a message dated 5/22/2006 3:44:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, DebALev@AOL.COM writes:
Wouldn't a Rabbi already know? That's who I would go TO with questions like this.
A) Contrary to popular myth, not all Rabbis are familiar with all aspects of Jewish law and how previous dinim have inerpreted Jewish law;
B) We have indeed contacted a number of Rabbis -- of all flavors - to see if they can interpret the "meni.meni, tekel U'farsam" question of our day; [...]
26800 278 49_Fw: Roads to You: A Celebration of One World Tour11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 08:01:28 -0700454_iso-8859-1 Untitled Document Looks good.
Steve
Subject: Roads to You: A Celebration of One World Tour
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Under the patronage of Her Majesty Queen Noor of Jordan
Wednesday . May 31, 2006 . 7:00 p.m. [...]
27079 342 35_Fw: Russia becoming a Muslim state!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 08:43:13 -0700734_iso-8859-1
I would think this would be of interest to us all.
Steve
Russia becoming a Muslim state! - Asian Tribune - (http://www.asiantribune.com) By Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
Imagine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country's population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia's [...]
27422 111 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 09:03:40 -0700543_iso-8859-1 Judy
Sorry for this question, as I mean no offence. When you say "Very well put", is that a message to David,or to me? David has not as yet stated his reasons for the previous attack on Rabbi Hier. In this response, he also calls him a liar. (Second to the bottom line). I am not a relative of Rabbi Hier, distant or otherwise. I am just curious as to what provokes the attacks from David. I have apparently not seen, heard or read the nefarious activities by Rabbi Hier that David seems to be reacting to. Is it secret [...]
27534 91 28_Re: More good news from Iran17_Sheldon and Heidi21_shelheid@ACTCOM.CO.IL31_Tue, 23 May 2006 19:13:12 +0200302_us-ascii sorry but this is more along the line of lying about the wolf when the lion and the bear have already announced they are coming, have sent a letter of intent and are in the process of carbo-loading. I agree it seems pointless but is someone suggesting that Iran is not antisemetic? Heidi [...]
27626 34 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:43 -0400445_us-ascii Steve,
I am sorry that my message was not 100% clear to you. Let me spell it out in language so plain that even my pet cat can understand it.
Rabbi Marvin Hier and Abraham Foxman have made careers out of crying antisemitism on a regular basis, frequently finding antisemitism where nobody else does. This may be a good strategy for raising funds for their respective organizations, but it is not "good for the Jews." [...]
27661 34 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:09:27 -0400330_us-ascii I doubt that anyone on this list would count the leadership in Iran among the "friends of the Jews," but does that turn lies into truth? The story that Steve posted that started this thread has been shown to be false. "Oh, but they might have wanted to make Jews wear yellow stars." They didn't do it; end of story. [...]
27696 72 28_Re: More good news from Iran0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:12:24 EDT539_US-ASCII Steve: Just out of curiosity -- have you ever seen the budget for the Wiesenthal Center? Used to be pretty damn hard to get. and when they've been forced to 'show and tell' they provided a pretty bare bones break down - no real detail to speak of. FYI The Weisenthal Center has been -- and I assume still is -- a division of Yeshiva University. They used to use their connection w Yeshiva as a fig leaf when they were asked for financials. Of course my information may be old, and they may have changed their tax status, but [...]
27769 25 28_Re: More good news from Iran12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:43:42 -0400589_us-ascii > The story that Steve posted that started this thread has been > shown to be false.
Not to nitpick, but it was Jonathan who posted the story.
Also, it was posted on the website of a reputable newspaper and was debunked hours after he shared it with us.
David
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27795 28 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:50:53 -0400372_- Hi Steve,
Rabbi Hier makes a living calling out anti-semitism, sometimes without sufficient fact checking. As your buddy President Bush once said so elequently "There's an old saying . . . 'Fool me once, shame on -- shame on you. [Pause.] Fool me -- you can't get fooled again.' " Or as Paul Simon wrote "I say now, who do, who do you think you're foolin'?" [...]
27824 50 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:51:12 -0400677_ISO-8859-1 Steve couldn't possibly debunk it himself. And the story certainly fits with the Iranian president's incitement against Jews. Nevertheless, Rabbi Hier has more responsibility to verify a story before he rolls out his big guns.
Judy
David Fleiss wrote:
>>The story that Steve posted that started this thread has been >>shown to be false. >> >> > >Not to nitpick, but it was Jonathan who posted the story. > >Also, it was posted on the website of a reputable newspaper and was debunked hours after he shared it with us. > >David > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The HABONET mailing list is hosted [...]
27875 61 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 13:39:05 -0700558_iso-8859-1 You guys really make me laugh! So now it has become a business of loathing to go after the Nazis and fight anti-semitism. Is Simon Wiesenthal included? How far back do we go? Dov Landau?
Who of us hasn't been taken in by a falacious newspaper story? Unbelievable! Here is the game of "Gotcha" once more! Well, let me tell you something; It isn't pretty when it is done against Amnon, and it isn't pretty when it is done against each other. And now, you actually caught Rabbi Hier in a mistake that is of such grandeur that he deserves [...]
27937 153 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 14:01:36 -0700354_iso-8859-1 Avi
Until I see different, all I see are people making a difference in the way the world is. When I see different, I will think different. I am just saying that people of good judgement are all of a sudden making wild accusations with no prooof and little hard basis, other than suspician and conjecture. When did we become that?! [...]
28091 26 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 23 May 2006 17:34:53 -0400308_- Spare us your outrage. The objection was to crying wolf.
You're the one who started the viscious slander by implying that David was a follower of Mel Gibson's odd beliefs.
Set up all the strawmen you want, doesn't change the facts. Better yet, take a deep breath or a walk in the woods. [...]
28118 55 7_kashrus16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 23 May 2006 19:23:48 -0400497_us-ascii Review the entire site. Though it is edgy, it is also funny.
http://www.holeinthesheet.org/kashrus.htm
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28174 48 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 23 May 2006 20:54:20 -0400330_iso-8859-1 On a more serious note, Steve, it is precisely because I view the fight against anti-Semitism as serious business, and because I admire and support the work of the Wiesenthal center, that I become upset when they exaggerate or cry wolf. Can't you see how this damages the center's credibility and moral authority? [...]
28223 66 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 20:59:00 -0700647_iso-8859-1 Noam
He made a mistake. Nobody died. A harmless, ordinary, human mistake.
G'night.
Steve
> On a more serious note, Steve, it is precisely because I view the fight > against anti-Semitism as serious business, and because I admire and > support the work of the Wiesenthal center, that I become upset when they > exaggerate or cry wolf. Can't you see how this damages the center's > credibility and moral authority? > > Noam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Klein" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [...]
28290 104 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 00:31:07 -0400396_ISO-8859-1 Dear Steve,
Rabbi Hier made the mistake in the name of the institution he runs. I haven't received a rescinding of the alert. Have you?
As a result of his demonstrably exhibiting that his institution does so little due diligence before sending out alerts, I am less likely to view this as a credible source in the future and I am sure many others feel the same way. [...]
28395 60 29_Fw: Presentation of Jerusalem11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 23 May 2006 21:50:41 -0700441_iso-8859-1
Subject: Presentation of Jerusalem
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/JerusalemDay/JerusalemDay.html#
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28456 899 54_Virtually Normal/ Ehud Olmert's Vision For Israel/ TNR16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@GMAIL.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 05:53:42 -0500641_ISO-8859-1 EHUD OLMERT'S VISION FOR ISRAEL. Virtually Normal by Gadi Taub Post date: 05.23.06 Issue date: 05.29.06
[image: J] ust as Lyndon Johnson coasted to the presidency on the blessed memory of John F. Kennedy, Ehud Olmert's ascension to Israel's highest office occurred at a moment rife with both sorrow and warm nostalgia for a very recent past. The Camelot to which Olmert laid claim was the last year of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's reign, when the great militarist reversed his lifelong course and withdrew Israel from Gaza. During this past winter's campaign, Olmert choreographed appearances so that large images of [...]
29356 118 9_tntzbkhsh12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 14:58:39 +0300663_windows-1255
Guys... just saw this on the listserv...... what is our community response to this kind of news? Did anyone have an idea that P z'l was terminally ill?
Message 12 From: "Gav Zuckerman" gav.zuckerman@gmail.com Date: Wed May 24, 2006 2:36am(PDT) Subject: Info4u : Baruch Dayan Emet
From: Pearl Skolnik Realty To: newsgroup@pearlskolnikrealty.com, modiin@lerner.co.il, RBS@yahoogroups.com, list@shemesh.co.il Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:01:43 +0200 Subject: [BS/RBS list] Baruch Dayan Emet With great sadness we regret to inform you of the passing of our founder and mentor Pearl Skolnik z"l. [...]
29475 28 8_Sad News28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 24 May 2006 14:14:14 +0200391_iso-8859-1 I just received this notice and was asked to post it on Habonet
Pearl (Pearlson) Skolnik passed away this morning (Wednesday) in Jerusalem. The funeral will take place today at 6 pm at Beit Shamgar, next to the Rav Shefa Mall in Romema (not far from the Tnuva junction). The shiva will be at the home of Fred and Pearl Skolnik z"l, Ma'aleh Helena 5/36, Ramot. [...]
29504 75 13_Re: tntzbkhsh11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 09:51:04 -0400500_windows-1255 Jessie-- If you could get us her family's address, I am willing to take up American donations to send a basket to the family from Habonet. Who will send me money to do this? Write to me offline with your pledge--$5, $10, $18 or whatever and I will send you my address. I'd like to do it my COB today if possible. There are lots of internet companies that will deliver baskets in Jerusalem and the extent of the basket I order will depend on what people tell me they will send. Judy [...]
29580 64 12_Re: Sad News12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 07:33:49 -0700336_iso-8859-1 I had been corresponding with Pearl on and off- I knew she was ill- since she ahd always gone to Avi's performances in Jerusalem, and this year, she said, if she was strong enough, she was going to a reunion in America and would miss him....I thought she was beating this....somehow....I will write something later--sue [...]
29645 70 17_The Summer of '5612_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 07:56:11 -0700552_iso-8859-1 I was twelve, and going to "Mosh" was like getting married- the anticipation, and a little fear after a philosophically tormenting couple of years. I had first been introduced to Zionism at the age of 8 when I was sent to Camp Young Judaea in New Hampshire because my cousin was on the board and I got to go for free. I was enthralled with the music-not only of the Jewish things, but also of the place, of the harmony between "sponging in" the beautiful New Hampshire summer, and the songs and "rikuding" I fell in love with. But when [...]
29716 105 28_Re: More good news from Iran13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 08:11:05 -0700596_iso-8859-1 Likewise, I'm sure.
Steve Klein wrote: You guys really make me laugh! So now it has become a business of loathing to go after the Nazis and fight anti-semitism. Is Simon Wiesenthal included? How far back do we go? Dov Landau?
Who of us hasn't been taken in by a falacious newspaper story? Unbelievable! Here is the game of "Gotcha" once more! Well, let me tell you something; It isn't pretty when it is done against Amnon, and it isn't pretty when it is done against each other. And now, you actually caught Rabbi Hier in a mistake that [...]
29822 261 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 08:16:25 -0700480_iso-8859-1 SURPRISE.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: richard smith To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: More good news from Iran
Likewise, I'm sure.
Steve Klein wrote: You guys really make me laugh! So now it has become a business of loathing to go after the Nazis and fight anti-semitism. Is Simon Wiesenthal included? How far back do we go? Dov Landau? [...]
30084 112 29_Re: The Summer of '56- A P.S.12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 08:28:47 -0700292_iso-8859-1 I somehow forgot to mention Penina- the 4th sister--It's early and I am getting older...But she was here in LA a few years ago...The Pearlsons are a Habonim legend,a nd the fact that so many made aliyah and are living the Habonim ideal is a wonderful thing. I love them...sue [...]
30197 80 47_The Simon Wiesenthal Center vs Simon Wiesenthal0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:07:10 EDT623_US-ASCII
In a message dated 5/23/2006 5:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:
I am just saying that people of good judgement are all of a sudden making wild accusations with no prooof and little hard basis, other than suspician and conjecture. When did we become that?!
My remarks reflect my experience having dealt with the Heir's via business transactions a number of years ago. The last time I saw Marvin and Malka Heir was a few years ago at the first ever White House Hannukah Party. If you want specifics, I'd be happy to discuss them off line. [...]
30278 32 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:52 -0400504_- Steve Klein wrote: "...I am just saying that people of good judgement are all of a sudden making wild accusations with no prooof and little hard basis, other than suspician and conjecture. When did we become that?!"
That is far from all you said Steve. For example, when you asked if someone believed Mel Gibson, I took that to mean that you were calling them a holocaust denier, like Gibson's father. Was I wrong in my interpretation? Does that qualify as "suspician(sic) and conjecture?" [...]
30311 22 12_Re: Sad News12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:46 -0400490_us-ascii Despite my political disagreements with Pearl, I feel like we've lost a valuable member of our electronic community.
My heart goes out to her family and friends.
David
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30334 30 12_Re: Sad News11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:23:02 -0400593_- On Wed, 24 May 2006 12:17:46 -0400, David Fleiss wrote:
>Despite my political disagreements with Pearl, I feel like we've lost a valuable member of our electronic community. > >My heart goes out to her family and friends. > >David >
I concur.
Noam
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30365 25 7_area E111_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:31:18 -0400560_- There has been a lot of talk in the press about how Israeli development in area "E1" will "cut off Arab East jerusalem from the West Bank". Can someone post a URL to a map (preferably in English) which depicts the relevent area?
Thank you,
Noam
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30391 48 18_Pearl Pearlson Z"L15_Dr. Don Goelman25_don.goelman@VILLANOVA.EDU31_Wed, 24 May 2006 12:48:55 -0400594_ISO-8859-1 I suggest we watch the Habonim Dror Foundation's "In Memoriam" link. When Pearl's name is added, those of us who knew her should post some of our recollections.
Don
Michal and Efraim Perlmutter wrote:
>I just received this notice and was asked to post it on Habonet > > >Pearl (Pearlson) Skolnik passed away this morning (Wednesday) in Jerusalem. >The funeral will take place today at 6 pm at Beit Shamgar, next to the Rav >Shefa Mall in Romema (not far from the Tnuva junction). The shiva will be >at the home of Fred and Pearl Skolnik z"l, Ma'aleh Helena [...]
30440 48 11_Re: area E18_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 24 May 2006 20:22:03 +0200571_us-ascii Noam, send me your email and I can send you a .PDF file with a map that identifies area E1.
Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:31 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: area E1
There has been a lot of talk in the press about how Israeli development in area "E1" will "cut off Arab East jerusalem from the West Bank". Can someone post a URL to a map (preferably in English) which depicts the relevent area? [...]
30489 21 19_Re Virtually Normal12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 10:34:55 -0700466_us-ascii Rozzie, Nice article. I still don't like Olmert nor trust him but thanks for sending it. Amnon
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30511 57 12_Re: Sad News0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Wed, 24 May 2006 13:33:05 EDT585_US-ASCII I was just thinking how quiet Pearl had been lately and wondered why. Had no idea she was ill. Whenever I convened a kumsitz in Yerushalayim she always came, and, since there will be one this summer, I was thinking she would be there of course. Zichrona l'vracha.
Aliya
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30569 322 11_Re: area E111_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 13:41:27 -0400620_ISO-8859-1 THere is an article about this on the Ameinu website by Jeffry Mallow-- Jduy
Integrity
View Comments
By Jeffry V. Mallow
I oppose most Israeli settlements in the West Bank. They are unnecessary, they drain resources from Israel proper, they compromise Israel's security, they are a provocation to the Palestinians, they provide fodder for Arab and Muslim extremists and their European and American fellow travelers. [...]
30892 33 13_Re: tntzbkhsh11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 14:07:07 -0400409_windows-1255 Dear Chevreh-
Thank you for those who have pledged to help with the basket. I send a deluxe dairy basket from KosherGiftBaskets.com. I sent it from "The Chaverim of Habonet"
If any more of you would like to participate in this shiva basket kupa, any amount is appreciated. I don't want to post my address on a site with a public archive so write to me and I'll send it to you. [...]
30926 39 13_Re: Pearl z"l0_25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 24 May 2006 21:51:49 +0200387_windows-1255 By chance I saw the notice about Pearl's funeral on one of the group listings in Jerusalem (Janglo). Habonim was "represented" at the funeral by me, Sari Sapir, Artie and Gilda Schneiderman.
Sari had been most in touch with Pearl recently. She had been fighting cancer of the spine, and had been in and out of the hospital often (she did write that on Habonet). [...]
30966 135 33_Fw: listserv keeps rejecting this12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 23:02:53 +0300555_windows-1255
Guys... just saw this on the listserv......
Message 12 From: "Gav Zuckerman" gav.zuckerman@gmail.com Date: Wed May 24, 2006 2:36am(PDT) Subject: Info4u : Baruch Dayan Emet
From: Pearl Skolnik Realty To: newsgroup@pearlskolnikrealty.com, modiin@lerner.co.il, RBS@yahoogroups.com, list@shemesh.co.il Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:01:43 +0200 Subject: [BS/RBS list] Baruch Dayan Emet With great sadness we regret to inform you of the passing of our founder and mentor Pearl Skolnik z"l. [...]
31102 23 12_Re: Sad News12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 14:18:33 -0700416_us-ascii Pearl,
Zichrona l'brakha
Amnon
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31126 318 65_Fwd: [Zepps_News] #Iran Target of Apparent US Disinformation Ploy0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Wed, 24 May 2006 19:42:32 EDT438_US-ASCII
"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag
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31445 178 64_Re: [Zepps_News] #Iran Target of Apparent US Disinformation Ploy0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Wed, 24 May 2006 20:04:54 EDT544_US-ASCII OOOOOOPS. Sorry......
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/052306E.shtml Iran Target of Apparent Disinformation Ploy By Jim Lobe Inter Press Service
[Zeppnote: my apologies to my readers: I got suckered by this one, too.]
Monday 22 May 2006
Washington - A story authored by a prominent U.S. neo-conservative regarding new legislation in Iran allegedly requiring Jews and other religious minorities to wear distinctive colour badges circulated around the world this weekend before it was exposed as false. [...]
31624 148 17_more on the story0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Wed, 24 May 2006 20:22:53 EDT720_US-ASCII I find this interesting. Note the references to the Wiesenthal Center and the statement by Cooper.
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6df3e493-f350-4b53-bc16- 53262b49a4f7
National Post [Toronto, Canada] | 24 May 2006
Our Mistake: Note to Readers
Douglas Kelly, National Post
Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is not true. Given the seriousness of the error, I felt it necessary to [...]
31773 44 12_Re: Sad News0_23_jacknusan@EARTHLINK.NET31_Wed, 24 May 2006 23:30:07 -0400611_us-ascii Yes, it is very sad news. May her memory be a blessing. Jackie Porter
-----Original Message----- >From: Michal and Efraim Perlmutter >Sent: May 24, 2006 8:14 AM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Sad News > >I just received this notice and was asked to post it on Habonet > > >Pearl (Pearlson) Skolnik passed away this morning (Wednesday) in Jerusalem. >The funeral will take place today at 6 pm at Beit Shamgar, next to the Rav >Shefa Mall in Romema (not far from the Tnuva junction). The shiva will be >at the home of Fred and Pearl Skolnik z"l, Ma'aleh Helena [...]
31818 56 28_Re: More good news from Iran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 22:02:01 -0700627_iso-8859-1 A note was found taped to the door of the English class: "Class is cancelled. Teacher is il [sic]."
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "Noam Stopak" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: More good news from Iran
> Steve Klein wrote: > "...I am just saying that people of good judgement are all of a sudden > making wild accusations with no prooof and little hard basis, other than > suspician and conjecture. When did we become that?!" > > That is far from all you said Steve. For example, when you asked [...]
31875 145 51_Re: The Simon Wiesenthal Center vs Simon Wiesenthal11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 24 May 2006 22:03:26 -0700689_iso-8859-1 Sure. I will look forward to hearing what you have.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: JLCAA@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: The Simon Wiesenthal Center vs Simon Wiesenthal
In a message dated 5/23/2006 5:06:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes: I am just saying that people of good judgement are all of a sudden making wild accusations with no prooof and little hard basis, other than suspician and conjecture. When did we become that?! My remarks reflect my experience having dealt with the Heir's via business transactions a number of years ago. The last [...]
32021 78 25_More good news from Steve11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 08:19:19 -0400632_iso-8859-1 Applying for White House spokesman? Never answer a question.
Just slam others and then cry foul.
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Klein" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 1:02 AM > Subject: Re: More good news from Iran > > >>A note was found taped to the door of the English class: "Class is >>cancelled. Teacher is il [sic]." >> >> Steve >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Noam Stopak" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:17 AM >> Subject: Re: More good news from Iran [...]
32100 106 18_Re: Shiva and more15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM31_Thu, 25 May 2006 11:36:26 -0400315_US-ASCII Dear chevre of Habonet
While I have had the good part of a day to recover from the sad and shocking news of Pearl's passing it is still hard. I think we're all still sitting virtual shiva for her. I cannot "enter" this community without feeling her presence and wishing she were still with us. [...]
32207 270 28_Slaughterhouse Rules/Forward16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@GMAIL.COM31_Thu, 25 May 2006 17:31:43 -0500505_WINDOWS-1252 Slaughterhouse Rules May 26, 2006
Many Jews nowadays find Shavuot, the holiday that begins next Thursday evening, June 1, to be among the hardest of Jewish holidays to embrace and take to heart. It lacks the pageantry and symbolism of Passover, the majesty of Yom Kippur, the intimacy of Hanukkah. It celebrates the Torah, Judaism's sacred book of Law, but without the unfettered merriment of that other celebration, Simchat Torah, marked each October with song, dance and drink. [...]
32478 532 51_[QUAR] New Jersey Jewish News - More on AB Yehoshua16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 19:33:07 -0400586_ISO-8859-1 Distant relations: Why Israelis don't 'get' Diaspora Jewry
Dr. Gilbert N. Kahn is a professor of political science at Kean University in Union.
A.B. Yehoshua caused an absolute turmoil at the recent 100th annual meeting of the American Jewish CommitteeGilbert N. Kahn in Washington when he told the assembled members and indirectly all of American Jewry that they, living in the Diaspora, were not real Jews. As he stated, "real" Jews live in the land of Israel, speak Hebrew, and serve in the Israeli army. [...]
33011 408 35_Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 20:26:00 -0400389_iso-8859-1 It's interesting to me how you fail to see the parallels between this and inciteful (not insightful!) documents like the protocols...
Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Fw: Russia becoming a Muslim state!
I would think this would be of interest to us all. [...]
33420 203 11_Re: area E111_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 20:26:19 -0400455_iso-8859-1 Thanks Judy, I saw the Mallow article at the Ameinu site.
Jon sent me a PDF map from B'tselem and from what I see, it isn't area E1 that is the issue, except that it appears to then incorporate the area Az Za'ayyem which is marked as a Palestinian built-up area. What appears more problematic to me is that number of areas that B'tselem says are Palestinian areas which are already inside the barrier. Am I misinterpreting the map? [...]
33624 106 11_Re: area E111_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 25 May 2006 20:53:13 -0400553_windows-1252 Depends on the map. I admire much of the work B;tselem does but sometimes the maps being passed around do not depict the latest barrier route. I don;t know enough specifics to comment on any particular map but I have heard very interesting discussions between gov't reps and B'tselem about routes and areas--enough to suspect that the "truth" lies somewhere in the middle. But B'tselem's work is important because it is keeping pressure on the gov't to re-route the barrier and plan crossings to lessen the impact on the Palestinians. [...]
33731 92 21_Re: The Summer of '5614_Allan Pristoop17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 21:38:55 -0400629_iso-8859-1 Sue, Thank you for this beautiful statement, wonderful memories, incomparable feelings. Allan S. Pristoop (Mosh 1955, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:56 AM Subject: The Summer of '56
>I was twelve, and going to "Mosh" was like getting > married- the anticipation, and a little fear after a > philosophically tormenting couple of years. I had > first been introduced to Zionism at the age of 8 when > I was sent to Camp Young Judaea in New Hampshire > because my cousin was on the board and I [...]
33824 5207 11_Re: area E113_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Thu, 25 May 2006 22:39:49 -0400593_Windows-1252 Judy and Noam,
As I understand it, the main issue with the planned expansion of Maaleh Adumim into the E-1 Area is that it encircles urban Palestinian areas around East Jerusalem, especially the once designated capital of the Palestinian state in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Abu Dis. It not only encircles these areas, but at the same time, by almost joining the area of Maaleh Adumim in the northeast to Givat Zeev area in the north, it cuts off the Palestinian areas of East Jerusalem (including Abu Dis, of course) from the rest of the West Bank. For anyone [...]
39032 103 11_Re: area E111_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 25 May 2006 23:11:06 -0400536_windows-1252 I think the biggest concern is Abu DIs/ East Jerusalem--Olmert opposed the incusion of both in a Palestinian state when he was mayor of Jerusalem. I was in Maaleh Adumim and toured the proposed E1 area last summer with Peace Now. It is hard to get a full sense of the impact on the Palestinians when you tour from outside the PA's territory. Afterwards, I talked to gov't reps who gave a very different perspective. I came away agnostic. I think the barrier map has shifted westward since I did the tour. Warmly, Judy [...]
39136 87 43_Jews Belong to Each Other/ Yair Lapid/ YNET16_Rosalind Barland18_rbarland@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 26 May 2006 05:13:39 -07001039_iso-8859-1 Jews belong to each other
Despite everything, Jewish people remain united even when separated by ocean
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39224 468 35_Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 26 May 2006 06:35:39 -0700516_iso-8859-1 How?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!
It's interesting to me how you fail to see the parallels between this and inciteful (not insightful!) documents like the protocols...
Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: Fw: Russia becoming a Muslim state! [...]
39693 650 55_Re: [QUAR] New Jersey Jewish News - More on AB Yehoshua11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 26 May 2006 06:46:57 -0700317_iso-8859-1 One of the big problems is that if you interpolate the changes in the quality of the "Jewish Experience" in America between our grandparents' generation and their children's, then between our parents' and ours, how may generations would it take for it to be neither Jewish, nor much of an experience? [...]
40344 23 32_Re: Slaughterhouse Rules/Forward12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Fri, 26 May 2006 08:53:25 -0700
40368 555 11_Re: area E113_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Fri, 26 May 2006 13:10:28 -0400562_Windows-1252 Regarding Olmert's plans in general, which include the area under discussion, I was wondering if anyone saw the NYT editorial below:
NEW YORK TIMES
May 25, 2006 Editorial A Viable Palestinian State
It's long been clear that getting a workable, feasible Palestinian state out of two geographically separate masses of land in the desert will be an uphill battle. Now, because of two culprits and one enabler Hamas, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of Israel and President Bush that hill is becoming a mountain. [...]
40924 539 35_Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 26 May 2006 20:34:08 -0400507_iso-8859-1 you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
"comes a time, when the blind man, takes your hand, says don't ya see?" ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!
How?
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state! [...]
41464 607 35_Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 27 May 2006 08:28:41 -0700479_iso-8859-1 Dylan? ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state!
you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
"comes a time, when the blind man, takes your hand, says don't ya see?" ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: Russia becoming a Muslim state! [...]
42072 1010 87_My meeting with Olmert (was Re: Virtually Normal/ Ehud Olmert's Vision For Israel/ TNR)0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sat, 27 May 2006 11:32:42 -0400297_utf-8 Hi folks:
Following up on Rozzie's post of the article on Olmert, I thought I would post a link to a report on a meeting I participated in with Olmert for those not on the Ameinu email list. I would be happy to elaborate on anything that I mentioned here.
Shabbat shalom, [...]
43083 54 7_area E112_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sun, 28 May 2006 00:00:49 +0300377_windows-1255 Try contact B'Tselem directly via email.
Jessie
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43138 439 43_Can I get your current contact information?10_Bernhardts24_miriam_b@NEVE-ILAN.CO.IL31_Sun, 28 May 2006 11:10:25 -0000454_us-ascii Habonet,
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43578 130 22_"Come Home, Democrats"6_rdbaum23_rdbaum@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 28 May 2006 22:48:28 +0200427_iso-8859-8-i Neocons in the Democratic Party Like Kennedy and Truman, Democratic neocons want to beef up the military and won't run from a fight. By Jacob Heilbrunn Jacob Heilbrunn, a former Times editorial writer, is writing a book on neoconservatism.
May 28, 2006
DON'T LOOK now, but neoconservatism is making a comeback - and not among the Republicans who have made it famous but in the Democratic Party. [...]
43709 161 26_Re: "Come Home, Democrats"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 28 May 2006 20:28:56 -0700548_iso-8859-8-i RD
Thanks for a great (and refreshing) article! I hope that enough people in my former party heed these words.
There is one part that may still prove troublesome- I think Kerry largely lost our attention when his call for "multilateral decision-making" was interpreted as needing to ask other nations permission to go to war against our enemies. I think the issue is 'way more complicated than that, as well as the method necessary to implement such an alliance without seeming to be voluntarily hobbling ourselves. [...]
43871 411 53_Fw: Crimes against children- please sign the petition11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 29 May 2006 06:57:50 -0700499_iso-8859-1
----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Marcia Plager Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: Fw: Crimes against children- please sign the petition
Can anyone translate this?
Steve
Subject: Crimes against children- please sign the petition
Please read this ( If you cannot understand it, please have it translated). This is of hurrendous proportions and such crimes against children must be stopped! [...]
44283 49 61_Re: Crimes against children -- Please DON'T sign the petition12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 29 May 2006 20:17:43 -0400270_ISO-8859-1 1) The message tells of a 3-year-old girl who was raped in South Africa. It says that there is a wide-spread belief in South Africa that sex with a virgin can cure a man of HIV, which has led to an epidemic of rape of small children by HIV-positive men. [...]
44333 74 61_Re: Crimes against children -- Please DON'T sign the petition11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Mon, 29 May 2006 21:58:24 -0400553_ISO-8859-1 Unfortunately however the belief that sex with a virgin cures aids is a widespread and does lead to thousands of child rapes a year by men desperate for a cure. It is a truly tragic situation.
If you want to do something real to help with the aids crisis in South Africa, you could contribute to the the It Takes Village Program run by Artists for a New South Africa (www.ansafrica.org) which helps support aids orphans. $250 supports a child for a year. My sister Sharon, who many of you know, is the executive director of ANSA. [...]
44408 612 41_Fw: Jewish last Names - don't forget Katz11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 29 May 2006 19:14:57 -0700436_iso-8859-1
I know I sent this about four years ago, but it is time to let the 'newcomers' enjoy. Besides, the last part is "newish".
Steve
Subject: Re: Jewish last Names - don't forget Katz
And not to forget the distinguished story of "Katz". I was always told that Katz is the oldest Jewish surname, going back to the time of the Temple as KZ or Kohain Zedek, the high priest. [...]
45021 37 61_Re: Crimes against children -- Please DON'T sign the petition12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 29 May 2006 22:58:38 -0400555_ISO-8859-1 I didn't mean to suggest that the rape of girls by men in South Africa, or southern Africa in general, isn't a very serious problem.
The specific message Steve forwarded is a hoax. Many such messages are, although they frequently contain some elements of truth.
One should also note, as Snopes points out (see below), that e-mail petitions are a feel-good but generally useless means of voicing one's opinion. (So is climbing on one's roof and shouting into the wind.) It's generally better to delete them than forward them. [...]
45059 54 61_Re: Crimes against children -- Please DON'T sign the petition6_Martin18_emskol@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 30 May 2006 00:38:23 -0400461_us-ascii And unfortunately there are many who believe that abstinence education and not educating about AIDS is going to make it go away in this country. And they think "who cares anyway" because it only affects a marginalized population.
More myths.
Before sending your money to Africa, how about doing something about the situation here in the United States? Last year, we saw 40,000 new infections of a disease that is wholly preventable. [...]
45114 44 22_Reunion/Kumsitz in NYC11_Sam Bergman22_sambergman@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 30 May 2006 01:30:09 -0400503_us-ascii
The New York City Reunion/Kumsitz is scheduled for June 24th. More at:
http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/kumsitz/
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45159 110 39_Ignore the Cape When Searching for Bull28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 30 May 2006 09:41:32 +0200601_iso-8859-1 Yuval Warshai posted an article by Michael Massing. The following is in reply to that article.
Michael Massing opened his piece by being critical of the methodology in the article by Mearsheimer and Walt concerning the influence of the Jewish lobby on American Foreign policy. Massing concluded his criticism by stating that though the article was an example of less than sterling scholarship, the thesis of Mearsheimer and Walt, i.e. that the Jewish lobby exercised influence over American foreign policy to the detriment of American national interest was essentially correct. [...]
45270 363 98_Fw: EDITORIAL by Robert Novak: "WILL BUSH HELP ISRAELI CHRISTIANS?" COMMENTS by Emanuel A. Winston11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 30 May 2006 08:14:19 -0700560_Windows-1252
I wasn't familiar with Robert Novak. Is he on the radar screen at all?
Steve
Subject: Fw: EDITORIAL by Robert Novak: "WILL BUSH HELP ISRAELI CHRISTIANS?" COMMENTS by Emanuel A. Winston
by Robert Novak: "WILL BUSH HELP ISRAELI CHRISTIANS?" COMMENTS by Emanuel A. Winston, a Middle East analyst & commentator I just finished reading one of Robert Novaks screeds against the Jews. This was on the Editorial Page of the Chicago Sun-Times of May 25, 2006 but you may find it in your local newspapers. [...]
45634 70 61_Re: Crimes against children -- Please DON'T sign the petition11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 30 May 2006 08:33:04 -0700404_iso-8859-1 Of course I regret bothering you with this item, as it proved mostly a hoax. I didn't know that, as my French is limited.
However, the oft-promulgated opinion that passing around petitions does no good does not recognise that statements of caring ARE infectious, and help elevate us in many ways. In addition, the bad guys don't pay much attention to them. The good guys often do. [...]
45705 177 26_Re: "Come Home, Democrats"12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 30 May 2006 08:55:31 -0700658_us-ascii Wow, so MoveOn is now the Democratic establishment! Did I miss something? -Sharon
-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Klein >Sent: May 28, 2006 8:28 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: "Come Home, Democrats" > >RD > >Thanks for a great (and refreshing) article! I hope that enough people in >my former party heed these words. > >There is one part that may still prove troublesome- I think Kerry largely >lost our attention when his call for "multilateral decision-making" was >interpreted as needing to ask other nations permission to go to war against >our enemies. I think the issue is 'way more [...]
45883 31 98_Re: EDITORIAL by Robert Novak: "WILL BUSH HELP ISRAELI CHRISTIANS?" COMMENTS by Emanuel A. Winston12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Tue, 30 May 2006 12:38:58 -0400323_us-ascii What do you mean by "on the radar screen"?
- Novak is a well-known syndicated columnist who has a regular perch on a television talk show.
- He printed the name of a CIA agent, a crime for which leftist journalists have been prosecuted but... well, I hope you know the rest of the story by now. [...]
45915 31 43_Re: Ignore the Cape When Searching for Bull13_Yuval Warshai20_warshy@SBCGLOBAL.NET31_Tue, 30 May 2006 13:09:01 -0400523_iso-8859-1 Efraim Perlmutter wrote:
>Yuval Warshai posted an article by Michael Massing. The following is in >reply to that article.
Sorry, I did not. At least not that I can remember. Or maybe you are referring to the article I forwarded in Elihu Davison's behalf, as I explained in the introduction to that posting. I myself still have to catch up on this whole debate about the supposed power of the Israel Lobby in American politics, including that article and Efraim's response. Thanks, ___ |Y| ^^^ [...]
45947 982 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 29 May 2006 to 30 May 2006 (#2006-148)11_Julie Esris20_jesris@OPTONLINE.NET31_Wed, 31 May 2006 00:10:13 -0400594_us-ascii Re: the emails about sex-ed and AIDS...
This country truly believes that making more and more rules will solve problems. Europe continually (and rightly so) laughs at us for this approach. It actually occurred to me a few weeks ago that different summer camps could stand as metaphors for this approach and what is wrong with America... ie the freedom of a HD camp vs. the uptightness of a traditional camp that keeps boys and girls separate all the time for all activities...to answer to parents who believe that allowing their daughter to go to arts and crafts with boys [...]
46930 67 35_2 Kumsitzim from NY to Yerushalayim19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Wed, 31 May 2006 01:49:59 -0400