1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet March 2006 2 65 45_Re: Fw: Dubai Ports Firm=what about the law??12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:50:43 -0800374_iso-8859-1 Did no one pay attention to Steve's posting of the Jerusalem Post article which pointed out the fact that AGAIN Bush would be breaking the law by doing business with a company/government which supports an Israel boycott???? I would think this is a HUGE issue--but no one seems to be paying attention to it..sue --- Noam Stopak wrote: [...] 68 88 45_Re: Fw: Dubai Ports Firm=what about the law??11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:17:39 -0500422_iso-8859-1 Actually this issue got some press attention yesterday when some of the questioning on capitol hill started to raise the issue. Other laws, like the mandatory 45 day investigation if there are security concerns, were also set aside. Kind of like FISA. Or the Geneva conventions and US laws banning torture, habeas corpus, etc. We have a government of men, not laws these days, in case you haven't noticed. [...] 157 40 45_Re: Fw: Dubai Ports Firm=what about the law??11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM28_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:34:12 EST484_US-ASCII To say the Democrats are jumping on the bandwagon is not thinking. Bush is clearly breaking the law.......Sylvia

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Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want. He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests. He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness. He restoreth my fears. He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war, I will find no exit, for thou art in office. Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me. Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion. Thou anointest [...] 243 90 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:05:19 -0500594_us-ascii







You seemed to be saying that the Dems don't have a health care plan or a social security plan. I think that's bunk and needs to be challenged every time it comes up in conversation or the media.

Noam if that is what anyone is saying that needs to be the foucs of the discussion. Demorcrats and others are making lots of initiatives on Health care at the local level because the congress refuses to let anything happen at the national level. There are also plans to fix social security. But the social security problem is so much less urgent [...] 334 71 56_Re: Fw: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:51:10 -0800398_us-ascii Noam- The fact that you can come up with a simple, straight-forward recommendation on how to address a complex political issue shows that you are eminently qualified to be a government staff person. I say this as a compliment. Speaking as one of those staffers, we regularly study and recommend, only to have our elected overseers throw reason out the window in the face of politics. [...] 406 63 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:53:19 -0800456_iso-8859-1 I called and emailed our congressmen (womnen) out here in LA about this. BUSH is PROPOSING AGAIN to break the law in black and white. HE MUST BE STOPPED!!!!- I suggest that everyone on thislist who agress with this position contact his or her senator/congressperson and complain. This is simply a black and white issue- he is breaking a law of the United States if he does business with a aprty which suppports a boycott of Israel. Period! [...] 470 30 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:12:02 -0500535_- On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:53:19 -0800, Sue Liberman wrote:

>I called and emailed our congressmen (womnen) out here in LA about this. BUSH is PROPOSING AGAIN to break the law in black and white. HE MUST BE STOPPED!!!!- I suggest that everyone on thislist who agress with this position contact his or her senator/congressperson and complain. This is simply a black and white issue- he is breaking a law of the United States if he does business with a aprty which suppports a boycott of Israel. Period! > [...] 501 32 53_Re: Fw: usenet (was: Cindy Sheehan (Was: 90 percent))12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:09:07 -0500351_us-ascii >> While some usenet newsgroups may be unreliable, usenet, as a forerunning >> of the web in terms of sharing information, was and is a valuable >> technical >> resource. It was indexed at one point by a service called "dejanews" >> which was subsequently purchased by Google. Now you can search it under >> "groups" at the Google site. [...] 534 286 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 20:11:28 +0200552_US-ASCII Sue, the issue is not as black and white as it may seem. See:

Dubai Ports World uses Zim connection in US deal http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000065318 &fid=942

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sue Liberman Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:53 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel [...] 821 30 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:31:39 -0500394_us-ascii I don't think it's fair to paint this as a Democratic issue. I was out of town when the sh*t hit the fan in DC, but I got the impression that the Republicans in Congress raised a ruckus before the Democrats.

Frankly, I thought they were all johnny-come-latelies. I had read about the deal more than a month ago, in the business section of the newspaper, when P&O was sold. [...] 852 228 52_Re: Dubai Ports Firm Enforces Arab Boycott of Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:54:54 -0800459_iso-8859-1

Sam (From Confused in Encino)

I am not Republican. Never said I was. May never be, unless the Dems drive me to it. The reason I voted for Bush (not for Cheney) was because the choice you gave me was between Bush and Kerry. Mr. Kerry was not going to deal with terror, nor was he going to deal with the criminals at the U.N. As I remember, he didn't have much of a platform either, other than the repeated "We can do it better". [...] 1081 39 20_Change email address3_D J16_cantordj@AOL.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:46:25 -0500446_us-ascii Please change my email address FROM cantordj@aol.com TO cantordj@gmail.com

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President George W. Bush was scheduled to visit the Methodist Church outside Washington. Karl Rove made a visit to the Bishop and said to him, "We've been getting a lot of bad publicity among Methodists because of the President's position on stem cell research, the War, and such. I'll gladly make a $100,000 contribution to the church if, during your sermon, you'd say the President is a saint." [...] 1161 53 24_Re: Change email address12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 11:12:14 -0800567_iso-8859-1 Just one question--who is this?--sue :)

D J wrote: Please change my email address FROM cantordj@aol.com TO cantordj@gmail.com



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--------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [...] 1215 27 24_Re: Change email address12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:16:10 -0500516_us-ascii Obviously it's D J Cantor. ;-)

David

> Just one question--who is this?--sue :) > > D J wrote: > Please change my email address > FROM cantordj@aol.com > TO cantordj@gmail.com

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Go to http://listserv.shamash.org/cgi-bin/wa?REPORT&z=3

and follow the "Change your subscription settings" link. When I go there I see a choice of two lists I belong to. Following the habonet link I see a form which has a slot showing my email address. I believe you could enter your new address and submit that form. [...] 1421 78 24_Re: Change email address13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:33:31 -0800474_iso-8859-1 yes u can

Noam Stopak wrote: DJ and anyone else who needs to do this - you can do this yourself.

Go to http://listserv.shamash.org/cgi-bin/wa?REPORT&z=3 and follow the "Change your subscription settings" link. When I go there I see a choice of two lists I belong to. Following the habonet link I see a form which has a slot showing my email address. I believe you could enter your new address and submit that form. Noam [...] 1500 41 24_Re: Change email address19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 02:19:42 -0500 1542 209 33_Implications of the Hamas Victory11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 08:55:21 -0600572_us-ascii THE HAMAS ELECTION VICTORY: A MAJOR >> CHALLENGE >> FOR ISRAEL AND THE UNITED >> STATES >> by >> >> Dr. Robert O. >> Freedman >> >> >> >> The victory of Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative >> Council(PLC)elections on January 25,2006 caught not only Israel but also the >> United States by surprise. In the case of Israel,the Hamas victory >> heightened the danger from Gaza and the West Bank, as well as from Islamist >> forces elsewhere in the Middle East. In the case of the United States, the >> Hamas victory all but destroyed the Bush Administration's [...] 1752 26 31_Jewish Life Televivsion Network12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 07:18:30 -0800684_iso-8859-1 I forgot- in order to see the promo, you need "QUICKTIME" player--you can downlaod it for free.... (www.worldjewishlife.com...then go to the link-"view JLTV promo" which is at the end of the first paragraph....)-sue

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One of the most powerful (and brave) presentations I've ever seen.

DO NOT MISS ! ! ! ! ! Steve





What a brave woman. Just click her name into Google and see also some of her articles and reactions from all over. Wafa Sultan - Wherever you are, keep yourself safe and sound because so many contracts have been issued on your head, already... [...] 1867 38 15_Re: DO NOT MISS12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:13:29 -0500295_us-ascii If a Jew said the types of things about fellow Jews that Sultan says about her fellow Muslims, she or he would be condemned as a self-hating Jew. Is this why Wafa Sultan is considered a brave woman, because she has the courage to hate herself?

Inquiring minds want to know. [...] 1906 37 30_Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/711_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:44:48 -0500656_- Email on behalf of the Jewish Study Center:

Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/7

How does the round potato pancake square off against the tri-corner pastry? Join the Jewish Study Center on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM for a hilarious debate that will determine which is the superior Jewish food. This is the 15th Annual Latke-Hamentash Symposium and the presenting scholars are from all areas of the community academically, professionally, and socially. After the debate is completed, the treats will be served for additional research and noshing. Speakers this year include Rabbi Jack Moline of Agudas Achim, David Goldston, a senior staffer [...] 1944 60 34_Re: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/78_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:47:08 +0200733_us-ascii Noam, is this for real?

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:45 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/7



Email on behalf of the Jewish Study Center:

Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/7

How does the round potato pancake square off against the tri-corner pastry? Join the Jewish Study Center on Tuesday, March 7th at 7 PM for a hilarious debate that will determine which is the superior Jewish food. This is the 15th Annual Latke-Hamentash Symposium and the presenting scholars are from all areas of the community academically, professionally, [...] 2005 54 34_Re: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/711_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:59:58 -0500658_- As far as I know yes.

Of course it could be Purim kuntz on the shul listserv... There's a URL so check it out (or try snopes :-)

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:47:08 +0200, Jon Baum wrote:

>Noam, is this for real? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On >Behalf Of Noam Stopak >Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:45 PM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/7 > > >Email on behalf of the Jewish Study Center: > >Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/7 > >How does the round potato pancake square off against the tri-corner pastry? >Join [...] 2060 81 34_Re: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/711_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:15:18 -0500589_ISO-8859-1 These debates are very popular. The first one took place at U Chicago in the 1950's.. or at least so my uncle claims. He was a grad student at the time and argued for latkes. Judy

Noam Stopak wrote:

>As far as I know yes. > >Of course it could be Purim kuntz on the shul listserv... There's a URL so >check it out (or try snopes :-) > >On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 21:47:08 +0200, Jon Baum wrote: > > > >>Noam, is this for real? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On >>Behalf [...] 2142 24 34_Re: Latke- Hamentash Symposium-3/712_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:07:25 -0500525_us-ascii >Noam, is this for real?

Not only is the DC event for real, it's an homage to a long-running debate at the University of Chicago.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/hfs.cgi/00/166696.ctl

David

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Perhaps they should do some math programming - I only counted 5 hamentachen.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: priorities [...] 2355 83 14_Re: priorities12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 15:58:15 -0800589_iso-8859-1 Well, Noam, I was hoping ot get some kind of "feel" from people about the idea of a Jewish Television Network; Christians, Blacks, Koreans, Thai, and others all have their networks, but it seems we weren't interested or couldn' get it executed until now...my boss just decided "it's time" and went full speed ahead. Now we are on the "brink of it"- and it will be a terrific outlet not only for organizations, but Jewish youth who can now get excited about having an outlet for expression and be proud of it....especially since this generation is so techno...and they have [...] 2439 112 14_Re: priorities12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:10:58 -0500 2552 321 14_Re: priorities11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:46:27 -0500428_iso-8859-1 Since I watch pretty much zero TV, I hadn't felt I was missing an outlet. Seems like plenty of Jewish presence when I do watch and what I hear about from my daughter (e.g. she was thrilled that one of her favorite characters referred to Bar Mitzvah recently).

Not a reason not to have a dedicated Jewish channel I suppose in this age of fragmented, "I don't have to see anyone who isn't like me" media... [...] 2874 176 14_Re: priorities12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:16:44 -0800586_iso-8859-1 Noam- that isn't the point- the point is to have an outlet which is "ours"--yoo don't have to watch it 24/7- but just try and have a young Jewish band try and get play somewhere; or suppose your federation wants the rest of America to see something it is doing- or you'd like to see the Nobel Prize ceremonies- which are not broadcast anywhere else...here is where it can go for a welcome outlet....yes, there are hundreds of channels and networks; why not ours?...As far as "Jewish presence"- most of the time, people try and hide it.....also....why not have something [...] 3051 109 14_Re: priorities11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:07:22 -0500308_ISO-8859-1 I think it is hard to have an opinion without seeing it. Personally, I watch so little TV that there could already be a Jewish channel and I wouldn't know it. Judy PS Ask a parent who had to go sit through the hatzagot and neshefs--According to mine, they were actually very very very awful. [...] 3161 23 25_The real American Taliban11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:12:24 -0500529_ISO-8859-1 Mr Domino's creates town that he wants ruled by "God's law". Sound familar?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

Judy

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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:12 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: The real American Taliban



Mr Domino's creates town that he wants ruled by "God's law". Sound familar?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/02/catholic.town.ap/index.html

Judy

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"If a Jew said the types of things about fellow Jews that Sultan says about her fellow Muslims, she or he would be condemned as a self-hating Jew. Is this why Wafa Sultan is considered a brave woman, because she has the courage to hate herself?"

First, I don't think that being critical of something necessarily involves hatred. Second, what the woman was arguing for was the right if inquiring minds to be allowed to inquire. Third, the Israeli press, TV and radio is full of criticism of Israel society, Israeli governmental policies, Israeli culture and other [...] 3267 117 14_marrying Arabs13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:15:11 +0200559_iso-8859-1 I had to smile when I read the letter below. My late father always used to say that it was a good idea to get "new blood" into the Jewish people and he felt if Jews married Israeli Arabs on a large enough scale our problems would be over. Many Arabs here are indeed descended from Jews, especially in the village of Yata, one of the most dangerous Arab villages in Judea, where the "Jewish Arabs" still light Chanuka candles. Also, in Gaza there are a number of Arabs descended from two Jewish families who emigrated there from Lebanon. There [...] 3385 126 14_Re: priorities0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:04:18 -0500581_us-ascii Sue:

I watched the promo video for the TV station and think that the idea would certainly provide another avenue for Jewish programming. Just a few questions.

I had the sense from your initial email that this was a proposed station, but the clip said that the station "has viewers in all 50 states." How many cable subscribers currently get the station? In terms of current programming, which of the things mentioned in the clip are currently offered and which are future ideas? What is the business model? This is obvious a huge financial undertaking. [...] 3512 108 14_Re: priorities12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:53:19 -0800533_iso-8859-1 The network is not up yet--in the promo- he was just "wishing" and assuming; the promo took a lot of time and money - and I am not iinto the business sied of it all....My boss is well-known in Jewish media- that IS his business. He has been "in the biz" for 40 years, and has a weekly TV show which airs in 26 markets, a weekly California radio show, and a national monthly paper, along with speical projects we do community-wide;I will let you know when it is up and running- hopefully in the fall. As far as rights [...] 3621 92 24_First show for Jewish TV0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:37:07 EST600_US-ASCII I am enclosing the link to Yesterdays fresh air with Terry Gross. It is an interview with Eyal Press the son of an Israeli OBYN from Buffalo New York. Dr. Shalom Press performed abortions in Buffalo and was friendly with the Jewish Dr. Barnett Slepian. Both performed abortions but Dr. Slepian was murdered by an abortion opponent on October 23'rd 1998. The family of Dr Press had to be put under police protection. Dr. Press continued to perform abortions despite the hundreds of protesters who gathered on his front lawn. Many compared abortion to the Holocaust and openly called Dr. [...] 3714 67 3_Sam11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:05:18 -0800349_iso-8859-1 Fellow Habonetters

Please tell Sam, if you care anything about him, to not contact me offline, or to take materials from Habonet out to the public for libel, slander or ridicule. He has somehow gone way over lines of good taste and "spirited discussion" into meanness and craziness that does not fit the welfare of our forum. [...] 3782 38 7_Re: Sam11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:25:48 -0500513_- On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:05:18 -0800, Steve Klein wrote:

>Fellow Habonetters > >Please tell Sam, if you care anything about him, to not contact me offline, or to take materials from Habonet out to the public for libel, slander or ridicule. He has somehow gone way over lines of good taste and "spirited discussion" into meanness and craziness that does not fit the welfare of our forum. > >Steve > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] 3821 17 4_oops11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 14:32:30 -0500451_- Sorry Steve. My mistake - slander is oral, I should have written libelous.

Noam

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From: "Mrs Suha Arafat" Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: FROM MRS SUHA ARAFAT



Dear Intending partner,

This mail may not be surprising to you if you have been following current events in the international media with reference to the Middle East and Palestine in particular. I am Mrs. SUHA ARAFAT, the wife of YASSER ARAFAT, the Palestinian leader who died recently in Paris. Since his death and even prior to the announcement, I have been thrown into a state of antagonism, confusion, humiliation, frustration [...] 3915 130 31_Re: Suha Arafat needs our help!0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:42:05 -0500405_us-ascii I have received this scam since the early 90s by snail mail and then by email but this is by far the most interesting verson ever.

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Judy Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:32:23 -0500 Subject: Suha Arafat needs our help!



Write a check asap! We need to help dear impoverished Suha! Judy [...] 4046 289 14_Re: priorities0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Fri, 3 Mar 2006 20:45:26 -0500416_us-ascii Got it - no offense, but in the technology world, this is what we call "vaporware." I have never been a fan of using the present tense for a product when it doesn't exist yet. In any case, I look forward to seeing the real thing.

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 07:53:19 -0800 Subject: Re: priorities [...] 4336 44 10_OLD PHOTOS0_15_ronoren@AOL.COM30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 02:45:19 -0500656_us-ascii If anyone's interested in seeing or buying, there are a couple of old photos of Habonim Camp Tel Chai from 1933 up for auction on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Judaica-postcards-of-the-Jewish-camp-habonim_W0QQitemZ6259255287QQcategoryZ1449QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ________________________________________________







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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 4441 95 15_Tel Chai photos9_Ben Cohen17_bencee@NYC.RR.COM30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 11:36:00 -0500566_iso-8859-1 In response to Ronoren's notice about e-bay availability of a couple of Tel Chai pictures from 1933, I have viewed the photos on the e-bay site. The big photo seems to be genuine, but the date is wrong. There was no Habonim Tel Chai camp before 1935! Starting in about 1928, the Farband opened a summer resort for its members, part of which was a childrens' camp called "Kindervelt". The residents in the area were virulently anti semitic, and, in the winter of 1932, they burned the main buildings of the camp down to the ground. In 1935, the Young [...] 4537 44 15_Re: DO NOT MISS12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 14:37:08 -0500431_ISO-8859-1 Efraim (and others),

Perhaps I should have been clearer.

Any Jew, whether affiliated with a religious movement or secular, who described his or her fellow Jews as having a "mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages", or who described Judaism or Jewish practice as "backwardness", "the primitive", or "barbarity" would be condemned as a self-hating Jew. At least that would be the case here in the US. [...] 4582 50 15_Fw: DO NOT MISS11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:52:33 -0800510_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleiss" To: Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: DO NOT MISS



> Efraim (and others), > > Perhaps I should have been clearer. I was not suggesting that Wafa Sultan > is self-hating. Far from it. But most of the sources of the messages that > Steve forwards to this list do not similarly support the right of > inquiring American Jewish minds to be allowed to inquire. > > David [...] 4633 27 19_Re: Tel Chai photos12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:54:59 -0800 4661 66 33_non-jewish russian aliya: request13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sat, 4 Mar 2006 21:18:12 +0200560_windows-1255 I must ask that no one do anything about what I wrote concerning "Mr.Mustache." I realized after sending my letter about him that I was seriously endangering the person who told me about Mr.Mustache -- and he does not deserve to be injured by my indiscretion. I have been told that his pension is endangered, so please ignore what I wrote in the letter. I shall send the complaint in myself in such a way that damage will not be done to an innocent person. People like Mr.Mustache must be stopped, but not by being revealed in a public list. [...] 4728 27 40_"Indeed Israel can be a dangerous place"8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:13:15 +0200495_us-ascii I know that we're not supposed to send attachments but I thought this clip on the hazards of life in Israel today would be of interest.

Jon











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In the "Rak zeh haser lanu" department:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3223928,00.html

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* No * None of them * Probably not

Unless this guy is wealthy enough to bribe his way on to one of the major parties' lists - which are already closed - or wealthy enough to start his own party, Geraldo has just about zero recognition factor here. I like Kinky Friedman's chances better. [...] 4941 64 14_Re: Just great8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:57:40 +0200638_us-ascii Judy, according to Arutz 7, we're off the hook:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=99664

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Judy Gelman Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 4:03 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Just great



Do Israelis have any idea who this schmuck is? And what party is going to put him high enough on the list to get a seat? Does he even know how the system works? On the bright side--I imagine that his Hebrew isn't very good, which would limit his participation in Knesset debates. Judy [...] 5006 58 19_Re: Tel Chai photos0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 11:01:04 EST324_US-ASCII Live and learn. I was proud of myself just because I could find Teva sandals, rubber snakes, Birkenstocks and Jo Lee Boutique stickers (now called embellishments) for the grandchildren! Isn't there an archive that pictures like that? Maybe that's a question for Ken. I'd buy them if I knew where to send them. [...] 5065 64 8_Sad News11_Sam Bergman22_sambergman@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 16:53:10 -0500549_us-ascii Bashe Smaller, 84, died March 3 in her home in Ramat Aviv. She and her late husband Bernard ("Booby') fulfilled the dream of Life Long Labor Zionists making aliya with their 4 small children in 1958.

From Brenner Branch (LZM) and Rishonah (Na'amat) in Chicago to the various camps of the Midwest such as Yad Ari and Tavor, Bashe and Booby counseled and cared for generations of Habonim chevre. In addition to those chevre Bashe is survived by her 4 children, 9 grandchildren and 3 great great grandchildren. She will be missed. [...] 5130 55 12_Re: Sad News0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:26:05 EST528_US-ASCII As one of those chanichim that Bashe nurtured, I am very saddened to hear of her passing. Baruch Dayan Emet. Just thinking of her and Boobe makes me feel warm and taken care of all over again.

Ellen Mayers Caplan

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On Mar 5, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Jon Baum wrote:

> Judy, I think the answers to your questions are: > > * No > * None of them > * Probably not > > Unless this guy is wealthy enough to bribe his way on to one of the > major > parties' lists - which are already closed - or wealthy enough to > start his > own party, Geraldo has just about zero recognition factor here. [...] 5405 52 15_Re: DO NOT MISS13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sun, 5 Mar 2006 10:20:15 +0200595_iso-8859-1 David, you can not be serious! Truly, my fellow workshopper's question is so relevant: "How did we (habonim) lose the Left?" >> >> Perhaps I should have been clearer. I was not suggesting that Wafa >> Sultan is self-hating. Far from it. But most of the sources of the >> messages that Steve forwards to this list do not similarly support the >> right of inquiring American Jewish minds to be allowed to inquire. >> >> David > > > > > WHAT?! > > Steve > > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >> [...] 5458 74 12_Re: Sad News19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 02:39:49 -0500 5533 163 15_Re: Sam, sharon13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:04:54 +0200491_iso-8859-1 sharon: read sam's letter again. What Steve wrote is correct. Nobody would want to be put up to ridicule like Sam did with his colleagues and Habonet over Steve's posting. There is nothing libelous in Steve's posting. Sam's behavior was not becoming, was mean and went beyond good taste, as Steve wrote. I have seen far worse on this list.. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Gates To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Sam [...] 5697 38 5_steve11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:14:59 -0500333_- Help!

If any of you have influence with Steve Klein, can you please persuade him to honor my request to stop sending email to my work address? In pursuit of his vendetta against Sam, he continues to ignore repeated requests to stop sending messages via my employer's systems.

Any and all assistance appreciated. [...] 5736 306 7_Re: Sam11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:36:06 -0800548_iso-8859-1 Dear Sharon

Your mind and your logic work a bit differently from mine, so I may need some help here. This is not about what I, in my spare paranoid time, THINK what Sam might be saying, or IMAGINE what he might be saying. In an offline message to me, Sam patently stated he was taking Habonet postings into work and showing them to fellow workers and getting yuks, showing them how absurd my attitudes on Medicare are (not that he even knows what they are in the first place). He then stated he was going to make me "famous" [...] 6043 386 41_Fw: Because They Hate By Brigitte Gabriel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:44:19 -0800421_iso-8859-1

It would be disingenuous not to pass this along. If you have had enough of "wake-up calls", then please just delete this and go on to other pursuits.

Steve







Because They Hate By Brigitte Gabriel

[Editor's Note: Below are selected excerpts from Brigitte Gabriel's speech delivered at the Intelligence Summit in Washington DC, Saturday February 18, 2006] [...] 6430 77 9_Re: steve11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:00:04 -0800562_iso-8859-1 Dear Noam

I will explain to you once again; your work address is not in my address book. The only one I have is nstopak@starpower.net . Please check to see if "reply" does not hook into the old address.

Also, I am puzzled by your fishing through the archives to find a piece of text that fits your current mood. You and I buried the hatchet a long time ago, and have had a few enjoyable civilized discourses since then. I honestly thought our acrimoniousness had relegated itself to the past. (2003 is the past). I am sorry that my [...] 6508 73 13_Errant e-mail11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 10:07:20 -0800589_iso-8859-1 To Noam

Sorry for this extra note. I will abide by the last declaration.

I scoured my address book and found the hidden offending e-mail address. ALL your data has been expunged. I am now fairly sure that, for my computer, you no longer exist.

Steve



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List mom, whoever you are these days, please use your powers to make them stop. A time out (literally) for name calling might not be a bad idea. [...] 6610 66 7_Re: Sam0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:26:03 -0500572_us-ascii





Unfortunately, apparently, it is who Sam is, and I no longer find it amusing. People like you that defend this as some peripheral but entertaining area of free speech only give him ( and this sordid activity) encouragement.

Steve

Steve, How nice of you to mention me in public. How nice of you to find some nice words to say about who I am. Yes, I confess. I took your comments about health care to the office and read them to a co worker. Of course the real message is that you will do anything to keep this about name [...] 6677 88 9_Re: steve13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:38:26 -0800432_iso-8859-1 Reminds me of the old Dan Hicks song, "How can I miss you when you won't go away."

Noam Stopak wrote: Help!

If any of you have influence with Steve Klein, can you please persuade him to honor my request to stop sending email to my work address? In pursuit of his vendetta against Sam, he continues to ignore repeated requests to stop sending messages via my employer's systems. [...] 6766 46 32_Re: To Steve and his adversaries11_Sylvia Lask14_SMLBOV@AOL.COM28_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:51:31 EST372_US-ASCII I agree with Judy. This name calling is not doing anyione any good. Can't we focus on the important things. This is about personalities. There are people who grew up in Habonim who have changed their views for some reason or other. Even when I was active in the movement over forty years ago, we never all agreed, but we agreed it was OK to disagree. Sylvia [...] 6813 192 7_Unaware8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:33:42 +0200632_us-ascii

From the Financial Times

Hillary Clinton 'unaware' of Bill's Dubai ties By Stephanie Kirchgaessner Published: March 3 2006 19:09 | Last updated: March 3 2006 23:46

Hillary Clinton, a leading opponent of DP World's takeover of some US port operations, was this week forced to admit that she did not know her husband had advised Dubai leaders on how to handle the growing dispute. But former President Bill Clinton's ties to Dubai and the United Arab Emirates should not have come as a surprise to his New York senator wife. Mrs. Clinton's own senatorial financial disclosure forms reveal that her [...] 7006 105 32_Re: To Steve and his adversaries0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 16:58:46 EST466_US-ASCII In a message dated 03/06/2006 4:01:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SMLBOV@AOL.COM writes:

agree with Judy. This name calling is not doing anyione any good. Can't we focus on the important things. This is about personalities. There are people who grew up in Habonim who have changed their views for some reason or other. Even when I was active in the movement over forty years ago, we never all agreed, but we agreed it was OK to disagree. Sylvia [...] 7112 160 7_Re: Sam12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 15:26:11 -0800 7273 92 32_Re: To Steve and his adversaries0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Tue, 7 Mar 2006 12:35:28 EST640_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/6/2006 4:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Smfgrappa@AOL.COM writes:

If he were not a constant foghorn ... ... I do hope that we are able to stop name calling ..





Sam:

I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the healthcare situation as you well know. But characterizing someone as a "constant foghorn" doesn't add to the quality of your argument and while it may not be name calling such comments are not helpful. Ephriam has managed to expound on his heartfelt views with cold hard logic, strength and resolve, without characterizing those he disagrees with, and I [...] 7366 33 15_The Aural Times11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Tue, 7 Mar 2006 20:49:39 -0600324_us-ascii The Aural Times http://www.auraltimes.com/ The Aural Times is a news site unlike any other. The aim of the site is to provide its visitors with some of the day's most important headlines but with a beat. The site's musicality definitely puts a new spin on Bush's tour of India or Iran's atomic research plans. [...] 7400 29 32_Re: To Steve and his adversaries12_amnon hadari22_gershon-keileh@013.NET30_Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:34:31 -0800 7430 198 64_The Failure of Feminism - from The Chronicle of Higher Education8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 8 Mar 2006 20:58:59 +0200597_us-ascii The Failure of Feminism

By PHYLLIS CHESLER

Is feminism really dead? Well, yes and no. It gives me no pleasure, but someone must finally tell the truth about how feminists have failed their own ideals and their mandate to think both clearly and morally. Only an insider can really do this, someone who cares deeply about feminist values and goals. I have been on the front lines for nearly 40 years, and I feel called upon to explain how many feminists - who should be the first among freedom- and democracy-loving people - have instead become cowardly herd animals and [...] 7629 191 49_Fw: Never Again -- Sign the Northwestern Petition11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:59:21 -0800670_iso-8859-1

I have signed and forwarded.

Steve









-----> >Dear Friend, > >I'm writing to ask for a few clicks of your mouse in support of an issue >important to all those who hate genocide. >Another Denial of the Holocaust >Recently, Arthur Butz, a professor of engineering at Northwestern >University, made headlines by repeating his long-held and bizarre belief >that the >Holocaust never happened. He congratulated the president of Iran on >becoming the >first modern head of state to deny the Holocaust. >As an NU alum, and the parent of two current NU students, I am deeply >disturbed by Butz's assertions and [...] 7821 30 46_The Evolving India-U.S. Strategic Relationship8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:24:50 +0200582_us-ascii Every now and then, my son wanders into the room where I keep my computer, looks over my shoulder at what I'm reading online and exclaims, "Abba, you're the only person in the world who actually reads that stuff!" While there might be something to that, I fully sympathize with his belief that I need to get out more. Anyway, if you are at all interested in the new and expanding strategic partnership - if that's what it is - between the US and India, here is a collection of links to articles, analyses, commentaries, official reports, congressional testimonies and [...] 7852 161 18_Re: steve and noam13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 6 Mar 2006 23:47:01 +0200366_iso-8859-1 noam, the only way steve could have your employer's email address is if you sent letters to Habonet using that address and your employer's computer. Use your private computer at home and the problem is solved, no? pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: richard smith To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:38 PM Subject: Re: steve [...] 8014 95 18_Re: steve and noam12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET30_Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:59:04 -0800 8110 340 22_Re: steve's email woes11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:16:05 -0500585_iso-8859-1 Pearl,

I do use my private address, that is the whole point. In the past, before my employer was purchased and use of company email was looser, I did use my company address for habonet because that was where I had email access. After the purchase I changed my habonet subscription to my home address. Apparently Steve stored had stored the old address somewhere - it still reaches me, but use for private email is strongly discouraged, which is why Steve's apparent refusal to honor my repeated requests prompted a plea to the list for help. In a prior exchange [...] 8451 152 4_Pink11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:15:24 -0800645_iso-8859-1 Was anyone else in Habonim as nuts as I was (and still am) about Pink Floyd?

Steve

Pink Floyd musician's principled stand Legendary British rock musician Roger Waters's upcoming trip to Israel has aroused the ire of Palestinian artists, the JERUSALEM POST reported. Waters is most famous for being the voice of the seminal 1960s and 70s psychedelic band Pink Floyd and the writer of their final hit, Another Brick in the Wall. However, Waters was not deterred by their complaint, The Guardian reported Thursday. The Palestinian Association for Contemporary Art and the League of Palestinian Artists wrote to Waters [...] 8604 22 22_Re: steve's email woes11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 9 Mar 2006 18:26:07 -0500494_ISO-8859-1 I've found old email addresses that I thought I deleted re-surfaces in the hidden places in my address book.

Judy

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I just saw this in today's NY Times. Take from it what you will.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/10/opinion/10gorenberg.html?th&emc=th

B'virkat chaverim,

Jon Zatkin San Francisco Ken Arafel 1959-65 12th Workshop (Gesher Haziv) 1962-3 Chaver Gesher Haziv 1965-8

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http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=13&prgDate=7-Mar-06

Jon Zatkin wrote: Chevre,

I just saw this in today's NY Times. Take from it what you will.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/10/opinion/10gorenberg.html?th&emc=th

B'virkat chaverim,

Jon Zatkin San Francisco Ken Arafel 1959-65 12th Workshop (Gesher Haziv) 1962-3 Chaver Gesher Haziv 1965-8 [...] 8760 289 4_noam13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:03:37 +0200458_iso-8859-1 noam, why is asking a simple question interpreted as laying blame elsewhere? geez!!! All I commented on was the only way he could have had your work address was because YOU already used that address to send letters to Habonet. How is anyone supposed to know there is a whole email history beyond that? ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:16 AM Subject: Re: steve's email woes [...] 9050 179 19_Re: pearl and steve11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:42:59 -0500384_iso-8859-1

Well Pearl I did say that "he continues to ignore repeated requests to stop sending messages via my employer's systems."

To me sounded like rather than asking a question, you were saying it was my fault he used that address because two years ago I sent email to habonet from that address. Your EMPHASIS below appears to continue this line of reasoning. [...] 9230 273 15_Self censorship8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:29:24 +0200309_us-ascii Here's an interesting story. The Telegraph - a newspaper I really respect and read daily - has removed a story on the increasing influence of Muslim clerics in the UK and their intent to implement Sharia (Islamic law) as the law of the land for Muslims in Britain. The page now looks like this: [...] 9504 65 58_For LA chevre- reminder-tomorrow night (Sunday) at IMPROV!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:53:46 -0800593_iso-8859-1 Just a reminder that tomorrow night is the event at thge IMPROV for Avi's comedy thing--PLEASE COME!!! - It promises ot be a great and fun night!--We have tickets left- so bring friends!!!- Any questions- email me--sue --- Steve Klein wrote:

> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Klein > To: letters@latimes.com > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:58 AM > Subject: "ISLAM'S TOLERANT FACE" > > > Dear Sirs > > It was with renewed hope that I started reading Max > Boot's article of a few days ago. "Islam's Tolerant > Face" led me to [...] 9570 58 55_Fw: Three reformed terrorists in a remarkable interview11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 11 Mar 2006 11:40:26 -0800577_utf-8 I wasn't going to send this onward to you, because of poor sound quality and length of interview, nevermind the annoying style of the moderator. However, these three people are strong, important Muslim voices of reason, and tell about conditions in the Muslim enclaves in America that are surprising in scope. Toward the end of the program, they make powerful statements about fear of reprisal, but also that America is the only place a tolerant Muslim can raise his or her children. I think this is encouraging for us, but a sad comment on the state of the rest of [...] 9629 176 19_Re: pearl and steve13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:15:14 +0200552_iso-8859-1 noam: enough! ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 2:42 AM Subject: Re: pearl and steve





Well Pearl I did say that "he continues to ignore repeated requests to stop sending messages via my employer's systems."

To me sounded like rather than asking a question, you were saying it was my fault he used that address because two years ago I sent email to habonet from that address. Your EMPHASIS below appears to continue this line of reasoning. [...] 9806 18 50_MEMRI - Neturei Karta Against Israel on Iranian TV16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:29:16 -0500471_us-ascii http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.asp?ai=214&ar=1070wmv&ak=null

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Steve





It takes 8 minutes to view this. You won't be sorry you took the time. This film shares a side of Israel which gives us much pride, admiration and respect.

Enjoy, Leon

http://www.investinisrael.gov.il/CmsTamat/Rsrc/InvestmentPromotionCenter/Invest-in-Israel.wmv



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for alumni of Zionist youth movements and friends

Sunday March 26 , 2006 4:30pm - 6:30 pm

at the beautiful Stanford home of Irene Wapnir

733 Frenchman's Road Stanford, CA 94305

* Participation in Israel trips and year programs are near record highs.

* Movements like Habonim Dror have reinvented themselves and are resurging both locally and nationally. [...] 10201 53 25_Up Against "The Sopranos"12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:42:44 -0800565_iso-8859-1 Four years ago, when Intifada actions had basically destroyed tourism to Israel, my son, Avi, who is a comedian, deciede to do a very brave thing and go agaisnt even his country's travel warnings by bringing a group of stand-up comedians to Israel and "birng some laughter" where it was well deserved. The tour was so successful, that the next year he did it again and decided to give the ticket money from shows to a charity in Israel which deals with troubled teenagers. Now, the reputation of the tour is so good that Drew Carey wants to go, and [...] 10255 30 18_Stop Genocide Now!11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:42:17 -0000365_- Dear Friends,

Please be part of this important campaign to help end the genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Visit the Web site below to sign the Million Voices for Darfur postcard and find out more about the April 30 rally in Washington D.C.

Are any of you planning to come to DC for this? http://action.ajws.org/campaign/millionvoices?rk=V1_RuS71eX4_W [...] 10286 29 19_Re: pearl and steve12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:19:27 -0800 10316 24 22_Re: Stop Genocide Now!12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:56:07 -0500454_us-ascii > Are any of you planning to come to DC for this?

I hadn't heard about this until now, but I'll be there.

Happy Purim,

David

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lisa

From: Judy Gelman >Date: Mon Mar 13 10:42:17 CST 2006 >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Stop Genocide Now!

>Dear Friends, > >Please be part of this important campaign to help end the >genocide in Darfur, Sudan. Visit the Web site below to sign the >Million Voices for Darfur postcard and find out more about the >April 30 rally in Washington D.C. > >Are any of you planning to come to DC for this? >http://action.ajws.org/campaign/millionvoices?rk=V1_RuS71eX4_W > >*************************************** >Powered by GetActive Software, Inc. >Member Relationship Management Solutions >That Recruit, [...] 10392 978 31_JTA - Camping & Jewish Identity16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 17:48:26 -0500517_ISO-8859-1













Melanie Einzig

Attendees of the Foundation for Jewish Camping´s National Leaders Assembly listen to a speaker March 5.

FOCUS ON ISSUES Not just about fun: Camp seen as key to building Jewish identity By Chanan Tigay NEW YORK, March 7 (JTA) -- "Continuity" and "identity" long have been buzzwords in the Jewish community -- and one essential component of establishing them as facts on the ground, advocates believe, is summer camp. [...] 11371 157 14_Words of Peace11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Mon, 13 Mar 2006 21:22:28 -0800579_us-ascii Last night I saw Arlo Guthrie at his "Alice's Restaurant 40th Anniversary Show." It was wonderful.





The local newspaper interviewed him and he noted the following, which he also said at the show:





""We end our shows with a song my dad wrote, called 'My Peace,' Guthrie says. You can't have global peace without personal peace. I use my songs, my world and my life to help do what my dad did -- to say everyone is valuable; everyone counts, and when everyone believes that, we stand the best chance of global prosperity." [...] 11529 58 35_Re: JTA - Camping & Jewish Identity19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:42:04 -0600585_ISO-8859-1 habonim dror was represented at this conference by the mazkirut artzit (first day) and several members of the habonim dror camping association, i.e., camp committee chairs and/or administrators from several camps. it was an excellent conference, and we came away with a number of ideas, and as well as more validation that what we do makes an impact. it was also interesting to see there habo alum who have grown up to be camping professionals at other than habo camps. several of us also met with grinspoon and other philanthropists to set up plans for their support. [...] 11588 66 23_The Ghost of Purim Past11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:04:08 -0600634_ISO-8859-1 Op-Ed Contributor The Ghost of Purim Past By JEFFREY GOLDBERG Washington

THREE years ago, while visiting Tehran, I was introduced to a charmless man named Muhammad Ali Samadi, who, I was told, would parse for me the Iranian theocracy's peculiar understanding of Judaism and Zionism. Mr. Samadi said that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, held no brief for anti-Semitism. Then, a moment later, he deployed an epidemiological metaphor to explain the role of Jews in history. "There are always infections and diseases in man," he said. "In the world there is an infection called international Jewry." [...] 11655 137 22_Fwd: Impeachment Forum12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:15:29 -0800658_iso-8859-1 FYI





--- Congressman John Conyers wrote:

> From: Congressman John Conyers > > Subject: Impeachment Forum > To: Friend > > If you are having trouble viewing this E-newsletter, > click > here.Impeachment Forum > > March 13, 2006 > Unsubscribe > Update My Profile > > Is > There a Case for Impeachment? > I appeared last week at a Harper’s > Magazine forum which addressed the conduct of the > Bush Administration > and whether it has committed crimes that rise to > the level of > impeachment.  A crowd of 1,500 > enthusiastically heard from [...] 11793 83 27_Re: The Ghost of Purim Past12_Sharon Gates21_sbgates@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:28:50 -0800458_us-ascii Rather than cancer or "parasites in the nations that give them shelter," perhaps a more accurate metaphor is probiotics--those beneficial bacteria that live in a healthy human digestive system, performing necessary functions and keeping the harmful bacteria under control. Jews may not be of the body of the country in which they live, but we perform many tasks that are useful to society --like controlling the media and the banks ;-) -Sharon [...] 11877 29 50_[Fwd: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:04:34 -0500418_ISO-8859-1 Jorma Kaukonen, for the uninitiated, is a guitar legend who played in Jefferson Airplane and Hot Tuna.

http://www.jstandard.com/articles/737/1/Jorma-searches-for-his-Jewish-Soul

I haven't had a chance to read the whole article, but the link comes courtesy of Jeff Tamarkin, author of "Got a Revolution! The Turbulent Flight of Jefferson Airplane." You can read more about Jeff's book at: [...] 11907 38 54_Re: [Fwd: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]10_Senor Neva19_senorneva@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:34:33 -0800414_iso-8859-1 I saw Hot Tuna about a month ago and they were quite good. I'd heard Jorma was undergoing some search to connect with his Jewish identity and I can tell you this. When he came on stage he looked a lot like someone's overweight old Jewish uncle at a picnic. (Jack Cassidy looked like an old Jewish man wearing black and wandering around the stage like he was looking for the herring at the buffet.) [...] 11946 47 54_Re: [Fwd: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Wed, 15 Mar 2006 11:01:53 EST409_US-ASCII Interesting Jewish "roots" story. Avi

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Just heard a bit about Jorma on American Routes last week or so too ...

So glad to hear he is sober - I love his music so much and the last time I saw Jorma was about 10 years ago and he and Jack were both loaded and it was a disappointment. [...] 12055 130 48_Re: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]0_13_Mmxmm@AOL.COM29_Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:43:57 EST581_US-ASCII

Hi,

Wavy is having his 70th B-day at same place on May 20th.Line-up so far is Steve Earle, David Lindley, a few Grateful Dead parts, maybe Crosby and other special guests. One of the groups I manage have toured with them and also wrote and sang on Jack's first and only solo project. Am going with Wavy this wknd to some show honoring Paul Kantner (Jefferson Airplane & bandmate to J & J). Went to a Purim concert (Purim Palooza) Mon. night in SF put on by Chabad with the latest rage...Matisiyahu...a Chassid (born again) kid doing reggae. Also Perry [...] 12186 62 16_The Fallaci Code8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:35:07 +0200457_US-ASCII http://www.laweekly.com/index.php?option=com_lawcontent&task=view&id=12921&I temid=47

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 12249 157 48_Re: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:02:16 -0500548_us-ascii David - thanks for the heads up on Jorma's re-engagement with Judaism....I had no idea. Like others here, I have followed his music for a long time, from the Airplane to Hot Tuna. I was in high school in the SF area in '69 and at Berkeley in the early 70's and seeing the Airplane at Winterland was indeed a spiritual experience. To use that corny expression, several Airplane sings are definitely on the soundtrack of my life (and on my iPod). What I find so interesting is that the fact that he is an identifying Jew creates such a [...] 12407 31 48_Re: Article: Jorma searches for his Jewish Soul]10_Senor Neva19_senorneva@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:37:19 -0800688_iso-8859-1 "Senor Neva mentioned that when he saw Jorma recently, he looked like "someone's overweight old Jewish uncle ."

I meant that in a nice way, being one myself!!



As Senor Neva says; "It's all Bueno!!"

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Folks - I received this email and thought others can share it with Bay Area friends. Feel free to forward it on. - Ken

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Join us for an evening of panel discussion and reconnection

for alumni of Zionist youth movements and friends

Sunday March 26 , 2006 4:30pm - 6: 30 pm

at the beautiful Stanford home of Irene Wapnir 733 Frenchman's Road Stanford, CA 94305 Participation in Israel trips and year programs are near record highs. Movements like Habonim Dror have reinvented themselves and are resurging both locally and nationally. Non-synagogue based forms of affiliation are on the [...] 12538 104 28_Re: Bay Area Alumni Activity13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:12:40 -0800397_iso-8859-1 Anyone know if the Irene Wapnir was the very same woman who was my first madricha in Baltimore Habonim?

kbob24@AOL.COM wrote: Folks - I received this email and thought others can share it with Bay Area friends. Feel free to forward it on. - Ken

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Join us for an evening of panel discussion and reconnection [...] 12643 193 28_Re: Bay Area Alumni Activity0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:47:11 -0500477_us-ascii Yes she is

-----Original Message----- From: richard smith To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 11:12:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Bay Area Alumni Activity



Anyone know if the Irene Wapnir was the very same woman who was my first madricha in Baltimore Habonim?

kbob24@AOL.COM wrote:

Folks - I received this email and thought others can share it with Bay Area friends. Feel free to forward it on. - Ken [...] 12837 115 37_Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children16_Genevieve Marcus20_drmarcus@PACBELL.NET31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:31:31 -0800694_windows-1252 Can anyone refute this? Please!

Geanie Marcus Los Angeles



From: DCI/PS@dci-pal.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:39 AM Israeli occupation forces are arresting scores of Palestinian children each week, bringing the number of juveniles currently held in appalling conditions in Israeli detention centres and prisons to new record levels.

Information gathered by the DCI/PS Research & Information and Legal Units shows that since the start of 2006 over 230 Palestinian children have been arrested, with the Israeli army appearing to target in particular youths from the Bethlehem Nablus and Jenin areas of the West Bank. The scale of arrests over [...] 12953 129 53_FW: U.S. Not Fighting Alone Against Global Terrorists8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:33:10 +0200575_us-ascii -----Original Message----- From: Press Service [mailto:afisnews_sender@DTIC.MIL] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:10 AM To: DEFENSE-PRESS-SERVICE-L@DTIC.MIL Subject: U.S. Not Fighting Alone Against Global Terrorists



By Gerry J. Gilmore American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, March 17, 2006 - More than a half million U.S. and coalition forces are now engaged in the fight against global terrorism in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East, a senior U.S. general said at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing yesterday. [...] 13083 843 29_Fw: Robin William's: THE PLAN14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:48:22 +0200394_iso-8859-1







The Plan!



Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says "I love New York" in Arabic.













You gotta love Robin Williams...... Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. [...] 13927 97 33_Re: Fw: Robin William's: THE PLAN0_13_Mmxmm@AOL.COM29_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:55:57 EST468_US-ASCII

Claim: Comedian Robin Williams came up with a plan for how the U.S. should handle foreign affairs.

Status: False.

_http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/williams.asp)



You gotta love Robin Williams...... Even if he's nuts! Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan. What we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. [...] 14025 30 9_Bird Flu?12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:59:26 -0500538_us-ascii "Israel Detects Cases of Avian Flu", according to Reuters via NYTimes.com:

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/17wire-israel-birdflu.html

(Free registration required, or use BugMeNot.com )

"Three people hospitalized found not to have avian flu", according to Ha'Aretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/695120.html

It turns out that "thousands" of Israeli turkeys and chickens are dying from the virus, but people who were initially thought to be infected were found not to be. [...] 14056 148 41_Re: Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children17_Sheldon and Heidi21_shelheid@ACTCOM.CO.IL31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:34:38 +0200291_iso-8859-1 I can't believe the Palestinian Authority, the protector of children and their rights, outed us. But you know it is nearing Pesach time and we do need that blood for the matzos. (I do not take lightly the torture of children. I think one needs to look at one's source) Heidi [...] 14205 155 41_Re: Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:48:19 -0800596_Windows-1252 Geanie

Why should anyone have to refute this? My guess is that it is all true! The only thing missing is quotation marks in the correct places. The so-called "children" that the Palestinians send out to do the shooting, stoning and burning are any "children" under 18 years old that they have by the thousands with nothing better to do with their lives. Having worked in Corrections for 3 1/2 decades, I can tell you that a seventeen-year-old can do a lot of damage. Sometimes more than an eighteen-year-old adult! In America, we try lots of under-eighteens as adults if [...] 14361 72 6_DCI/PS11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:15:00 -0800401_iso-8859-1 Geanie

I just came back from the DCI/PS website. They did a great job, putting up pictures of cherubic, bright-shining punims. It'd melt the heart of any well-meaning person. Well, maybe not the heart of someone whose child was blown up in an Israeli pizza parlor. There are no links on the website to these or any of the other childlike activities that drew attention to them. [...] 14434 176 41_Re: Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:08:40 +0200509_iso-8859-1 one must ask also "who is and until what age is one considered a child?" My nephews and sons have over the years told us about how they caught 13 and 15 year olds coming through the checkpoints with bombs and knives, and, of course, they must be arrested. Is a 17 yr old still a child? I believe that that age is still considered as a child. Many are the terrorists and suicide bombers of that age. My niece Naomi Katz once saw a 16 yr old with a small child in tow near the Kotel, and the 16 [...] 14611 34 41_Re: Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children10_Senor Neva19_senorneva@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:17:46 -0800466_iso-8859-1 seems to me a quote that was attributed to Golda Mayer is appropriate here

paraphrasing...

"we can forgive you for arresting and detaining our children but we can't forgive you for making us arrest and detain your children"



As Senor Neva says; "It's all Bueno!!"

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [...] 14646 65 41_Re: Israeli Abuse of Palestinian Children0_18_DLerner569@AOL.COM29_Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:11:38 EST584_US-ASCII Seems to me one of the key points in the article is being overlooked. What are the conditions these children are being held in? Are they in fact being tried, either as adults or juveniles? What happens when they are not convicted? Are they being schooled, health care provided, properly nourished while being held? Are they beaten and abused? If we are obtaining names and addresses of terrorists by threatening and beating people we are going to fairly be subject to criticism. The ends my justify the means, but that is not the first or easiest conclusion to come to. [...] 14712 57 20_Palestinian children12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:33:36 +0200497_windows-1255 I have not checked the info., but DCI, as far as I know, is in the genre of ACRI, B'Tselem, etc. Some will view this as giving it a hechsher, others as casting it as an Israel basher. Jessie

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A long Mochaccino Fredo Grande, please





By Nofar Sinai

The accelerated evolution we have undergone, from drinking instant powdered coffee to drinking gourmet coffee-to-go from a paper cup, has left its mark on the streets of Israeli cities, where dozens of branches of coffee chains can be seen. Our coffee lexicon has swelled from a single phrase - instant powdered coffee - to dozens of terms and names and various variations of the drink. [...] 15243 78 17_Re: From Ha'aretz16_avi@gezer.org.il16_avi@GEZER.ORG.IL31_Mon, 20 Mar 2006 06:41:26 -0500483_iso-8859-1 I am proud to say that my wife's daughter, Antal, and her boyfriend are both staunch workers in that branch of Arcaffe and they certainly deserve the recognition. Although, personally I can't tell the difference between the coffee there and anywhere else, but don't tell her that...

Avi Rosenberg

Original Message: ----------------- From: Jon Baum jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 21:54:06 +0200 To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: From Ha'aretz [...] 15322 53 28_Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:58:40 +0200564_windows-1255 Tuesday on Arutz 2 at 20:40 there is a show on the Miss Israel competition. Several of the women involved did a "shhot" at the refet at Urim a couple weeks ago.... maybe Lotan will get some screen time with them.... He's the Gingi.

Dave Holtzer

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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Holtzer Family Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:59 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?



Tuesday on Arutz 2 at 20:40 there is a show on the Miss Israel competition. Several of the women involved did a "shhot" at the refet at Urim a couple weeks ago.... maybe Lotan will get some screen time with them.... He's the Gingi. [...] 15491 59 32_Re: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:41:36 -0500607_ISO-8859-1 Lucky they didn't choose a lul instead. Judy

Jon Baum wrote:

> A kibbutz refet: the perfect background for a beauty contest. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh > [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Holtzer Family > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:59 AM > *To:* HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > *Subject:* Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV? > > Tuesday on Arutz 2 at 20:40 there is a show on the Miss Israel > competition. Several of the women involved did a "shhot" at the > refet at Urim a couple weeks ago.... maybe Lotan will get some > [...] 15551 135 5_REFET11_Sue Freeman19_sfreeman@CFL.RR.COM31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:16:59 -0500479_windows-1255 My Hebrew is a little rusty. I forgot, what is "refet?" Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?



Tuesday on Arutz 2 at 20:40 there is a show on the Miss Israel competition. Several of the women involved did a "shhot" at the refet at Urim a couple weeks ago.... maybe Lotan will get some screen time with them.... He's the Gingi. [...] 15687 81 9_Re: REFET13_richard smith21_rdsmith1957@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 06:44:43 -0800534_iso-8859-1 Cow shed

Sue Freeman wrote: My Hebrew is a little rusty. I forgot, what is "refet?" Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:58 AM Subject: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?



Tuesday on Arutz 2 at 20:40 there is a show on the Miss Israel competition. Several of the women involved did a "shhot" at the refet at Urim a couple weeks ago.... maybe Lotan will get some screen time with them.... He's the Gingi. [...] 15769 79 32_Re: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 19:26:58 +0200667_iso-8859-1 They did - they took pictures at both places! Carmi

----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Gelman" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV?



> > Lucky they didn't choose a lul instead. > Judy > > Jon Baum wrote: > >> A kibbutz refet: the perfect background for a beauty contest. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh >> [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Holtzer Family >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:59 AM >> *To:* HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >> *Subject:* Lotan Holtzer on Israeli TV? >> >> [...] 15849 119 45_The Israeli Model for Cutting Suicide Attacks8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:07:28 +0200585_us-ascii From Stratfor.com



The Israeli Model for Cutting Suicide Attacks

Responding to a security alert March 21, Israel police arrested 10 Palestinian men and recovered a satchel containing some 11 pounds of explosives following a high-speed chase on the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem highway. The arrests, police said, foiled a suicide bombing planned for central Israel. Had it succeeded, the attack would have been Israel's first suicide bombing since a January attack at a market in southern Tel Aviv, which wounded more than 20 people but killed only the bomber. [...] 15969 131 30_Yair Lapid- A letter to my son11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:45:46 -0600407_ISO-8859-1 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3230669,00.html

Dear Yoavi





An open letter to my son on the eve of his first chance to vote





In a few days time you will be voting for the first time. I know that you've yet to decide who to vote for, and that is totally okay. You've always been kind of spacey. Why shouldn't you also float a bit? [...] 16101 110 69_Fw: Houck in MEQ on "The Islamist Challenge to the U.S. Constitution"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:34:30 -0800343_iso-8859-1

The thought of allowing Islamic enclaves in America is making me ill. Have we not learned from the experiences of France, Denmark, Holland, Spain? Why in the world would we want our citizens to be under Shari'a?! If we don't raise our voices now, we will have no one else to blame when it comes back to bite all of us! [...] 16212 289 17_Islamist enclaves16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 04:50:02 -0500629_us-ascii The MEQ article by David Kennedy Houck, forwarded by Steve Klein, is quite interesting if a tad over-the-top. Houck presumes that the Constitution and secular law cannot supercede sharia for residents of an Islamic enclave. I wonder.

Even in such sectarian enclaves as Kiryas Joel, for example, speed limits must be obeyed, child molestation is a prosecutable offense and divorces must be adjudged by secular courts. (In the case of divorce, the beit din, which is of paramount importance to the hassidim of Jiryas Joel, is viewed as voluntarist by the secular courts. In practice, Orthodox batei din in the [...] 16502 471 21_Re: Islamist enclaves8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:26:48 +0200388_us-ascii Well said Elihu. You've shaken me to the core. I was sure I was the only person on the list who knew about Navarino. I bow in respect.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Elihu D. Davison Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:50 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Islamist enclaves [...] 16974 1372 92_Fw: Introducing JerusalemOnline Shop =?windows-1255?Q?=96?= all the best br ands from Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:46:18 -0800463_windows-1255 Special Offers from JerusalemOnline Store 4:32 AM Subject: Introducing JerusalemOnline Shop – all the best brands from Israel









We would like to offer you the finest made in Israel products at unbeatable prices. We have everything from Dead Sea cosmetics to designer jewelry, from fine wines to Israeli music and many more. Enjoy your shopping experience from the company that brings you the best of Israel! [...] 18347 79 18_Shari'a in America11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 09:51:48 -0800578_iso-8859-1 Elihu wrote: The MEQ article by David Kennedy Houck, forwarded by Steve Klein, is quite interesting if a tad over-the-top. Houck presumes that the Constitution and secular law cannot supercede sharia for residents of an Islamic enclave. I wonder.

Elihu I would like to add my name to those that were impressed by your well-written commentary. I am curious, however, why you did not address the reasons you thought it was "over the top", other than you think it also might not lead to anything akin to what other countries have experienced? Your thoughts? [...] 18427 55 23_The Lion Sleeps Tonight0_25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:55:38 +0200643_iso-8859-1 This article appeared in today's NY Times - brings back memories, especially if you can get the audio. Enjoy, Trudy

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/international/africa/22lion.html?ei=5094&en=59afa9b6ff2ce677&hp=&ex=1143090000&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

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The original link was for a "printer-friendly" version of the article.

There's an audio link at the main article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/international/africa/22lion.html

As usual, free registration required or use BugMeNot.com

David

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Thank you for posting this. I knew the songs but not the story. Of course this is just one way in which the music industry rips of artists but this is such a classic story. It really touches your heart strings. Funny the Pete Seger got caught up in it too. [...] 18585 246 53_A nice mitzvah project that will cost you very little0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:26:31 EST636_UTF-8

JCPA Memorandum Jewish Council for Public Affairs March 22, 2006 To: JCPA Board of Directors JCPA Member Agencies From: Andi Milens, National Director of Community Relations and Communications Re: Another Prom Donation Opportunity -- Hattiesburg, MS Your response to our last request was overwhelming. We are pleased to report that more than 500 dresses and gowns and close to 400 tuxedos and suits were sent down to Diamondhead, MS. As a result of the enormous outpouring of donations, our contact approached three other high schools in order to make the garments available to their students as well. The proms will [...] 18832 102 38_UPZ is hiring a new executive director0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:50:34 -0500748_us-ascii If you know a dynamic 20 something for this job in New York, pass it along to them.

Ken







UPZ Seeks Executive Director! The Union of Progressive Zionists (UPZ) seeks an organized, resourceful, motivated and personable individual to fill a full-time position as Executive Director. We are now accepting applications for the Executive Director position, which is to be filled this Summer 2006 (exact starting date negotiable). Responsibilities Include: Programmatic/Campus -Organize and run multi-campus speaker tours, conference calls, etc. -Organize and run the annual UPZ Conference; -Organize and promote bi-annual UPZ birthright trips -Visit campuses regularly; organize events locally; provide [...] 18935 56 42_Re: UPZ is hiring a new executive director19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:22:58 -0600292_ISO-8859-1 hi ken. i tried to pass this on to my federation contacts, but all the formatting was lost. can you send it to her directly and she will post it on the listserve. (she asked for a better version than mine). her email is mshapiro@pjll.org, name is maggie shapiro. thanks, lisa [...] 18992 426 23_Fw: Rockin' My Religion11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:52:07 -0800690_iso-8859-1 Rockin' My Religion While not endorsing whoever "TrendCentral" is, I thought some of you would enjoy the article.

Steve





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THURSDAY 3.23.06





Judaism flaunts its musical roots Plus: Scion's RELEASE

The Christian rock category continues to grow with acts like P.O.D. and Lifehouse scoring big with mainstream audiences. Now, with Hassidic reggae artist Matisyahu in the spotlight, we're beginning to see other faith-based artists making a name for themselves. Here are three to look out for: [...] 19419 111 21_World Jewish Congress11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:20:06 -0800373_iso-8859-1 Hevre

One of the best things I have coming into my life for the past ten or so years is the newsletter from the World Jewish Congress.

This month's issue has 44 thumbnail articles all relating to things Jewish around the world. "Technology and Trade" includes an article on Israeli-made "green diapers" that totally degrade within two months. [...] 19531 101 39_More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity16_Genevieve Marcus20_drmarcus@PACBELL.NET31_Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:17:58 -0800472_us-ascii I, too, could build a case defending Israel's motives regarding the West Bank and Gaza, but I don't think it was handled well. The reasons we all know are not known to the general public. They think its just to make room for settlements. Besides, fear of attack from Egypt and Syria, etc. might not hold up too well today. If the Arab states dared to attack again, Israel's justifications for holding the land and building the wall would be secured forever. [...] 19633 55 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:06:05 -0500507_us-ascii Geanie Marcus wrote:

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In Ameinu we felt very strongly they had crossed the line and issued the following statement: Ameinu Condemns Green Party Statement Ameinu condemns in the harshest terms the decision by the Green Party of the United States to pursue a policy of boycott and divestment from Israel. [...] 19689 17 48_Summer housing in Israel for rabbinical student?9_Naomi Jay21_naomi_jay@HOTMAIL.COM31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:41:59 -0800 19707 254 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity15_David L. Mandel20_dlmandel@PACBELL.NET31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:13:07 -0800626_iso-8859-1 Speaking of single minded obsessions .... Have you actually read the Greens' platform on the subject? It's been awhile and I don't have it with me at the moment, but I recall it being a fairly thoughtfully, (though at times not terribly well worded) document that clearly conveyed support for a peaceful settlement that incorporates recognition of Israeli and Palestinians rights. Of course Israel isn't the only violator of human rights (and the Greens' platform deals with numerous other international issues) but it is the recipient of many times more aid and political support from the U.S. than any other [...] 19962 531 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 19:38:32 -0500587_iso-8859-1 Yo David, have you read it? Reads fair and balanced, just like FOX to me.

Noam

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Greens, Calling for Palestinian Rights, Urge Divestment from Israel

GREEN PARTY OF THE UNITED STATES http://www.gp.org

Monday, November 28, 2005

Contacts: Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, 202-518-5624, mclarty@greens.org Starlene Rankin, Media Coordinator, 916-995-3805, starlene@greens.org Mohammed K. Abed, Wisconsin Green Party, 608-332-9900, mkabed@wisc.edu Justine McCabe, International Committee, 860-354-1822, justinemccabe@earthlink.net [...] 20494 623 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity15_David L. Mandel20_dlmandel@PACBELL.NET31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:57:09 -0800566_iso-8859-1 Matter of fact I did just get off my lazy horse and find it on line. (I'm speaking of the party platform here, in the context of which the very short resolution on divestment must be read.) You may not agree with the viewpoint, but I stand by what I said about it. Unlike some of the drivel that comes from the so-called left, with which I'm often at loggerheads, it shows concerns for the human and national rights of both Palestinians and Israelis. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: David L. Mandel ; Habonet Sent: Saturday, [...] 21118 204 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:14:36 -0500346_iso-8859-1 It mentions persecution of Jews but only in Europe, nothing about oh, say Syria or Iran. Don't you find that a bit myopic?

Seems odd to me that Israel is singled out. No mention of Tibet, Kashmir, genocide in Sudan, horrors in Congo, terrorism, lack of human rights, not to mention democracy in most of the Arab world, ... [...] 21323 68 43_Re: More on Israeli Crimes Against Humanity11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:51:21 -0500313_iso-8859-1 Who is "quoted" below Genevieve? 100's of thousands of olive trees? 10's of thousands tortured. Is this from the Greens too?

There are a number of new folks on the list. One fine tradition which seems to have fallen by the wayside is to introduce oneself and mention one's habonim history. [...] 21392 289 17_Fw: Kosher Hagada11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:45:16 -0800438_windows-1255







Shalom to everybody, How many times did you, or mainly your-our kids, wished for a short HAGADA??? Our cousin in Israel came up with a solution! Just click, and... HAPPY PASSOVER TO ALL, love Steve שלום למשפחתי,לכולם....





שלום למשפחתי,





לרגל החג הממשמש ובא אני מצרף הגדה ברוח הזמן לאנשים רעבים במיוחד.

ניתן להקרין לפני הארוחה או לאחריה. [...] 21682 61 26_The Haggadah in 60 Seconds16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:20:44 -0500469_us-ascii





http://haggadah.z-kit.com/h.swf



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Noam

p.s. thought you might find this interesting or amusing

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March 27, 2006 Stupor in Our Time By ETGAR KERET

Tel Aviv

THE parties my father votes for never get into Parliament. One year he'll vote for some economist with thick glasses who promises a revolution in tax law, the next year for an irate teacher with a ponytail who advocates a revolution in the school system, the year after that for a restaurateur in Jaffa who explains that only a new culinary approach can bring peace to the Middle [...] 21847 131 31_Re: NYTimes: Stupor in our time17_Sheldon and Heidi21_shelheid@ACTCOM.CO.IL31_Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:00:12 +0200580_iso-8859-1 Noam, thank you. Heidi

At 23:34 27/03/2006, you wrote:

>Thoughts on the election from those who will vote? > >Noam > >p.s. thought you might find this interesting or amusing > >+++ > >March 27, 2006 >Stupor in Our Time >By ETGAR KERET > >Tel Aviv > >THE parties my father votes for never get into Parliament. One year he'll >vote for some economist with thick glasses who promises a revolution in tax >law, the next year for an irate teacher with a ponytail who advocates a >revolution in the school system, the year after that for a restaurateur in [...] 21979 333 39_Scenes from election day/ Daniel Gordis11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:52:17 -0600444_us-ascii A couple of years ago, there was a Russian woman who worked in our office doing routine custodial things. Among her many other responsibilities, she was in charge of refilling the coffee and tea supplies at the coffee bar in the lobby, which was right next to my office. Since I'm a serious tea addict, I was at the tea bar countless times a day, each time opening the drawer with the teas, and looking for a flavor that I liked. [...] 22313 1621 52_Secular Jewish Conference / Rutgers Newark May 26-2916_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:50:20 -0500712_us-ascii

CSJO CONFERENCE - 2006 "Secular Jewishness and Human Welfare - Putting Our Values to Work" Co-Sponsored by the Congress of Secular Jewish Organizations & The Rutgers-Newark Department of Social Work - MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, MAY 26-29, 2006; RUTGERS-NEWARK (NJ) CAMPUS

Exciting experts on hot political and historical topics plus fun sessions on popular culture and Yiddish await returnees and newcomers to this annual event. Workmen's Circle President Peter Pepper & noted author and civil rights advocate Paul Robeson. Jr., head the list of organization leaders, social activists, and professors. Entertainers include well-known singer Adrienne Cooper & story teller Ellen Musikant. [...] 23935 251 6_Kadima8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:12:59 +0200587_us-ascii Kadima's Win: Prospects for a Territorial Divorce By Peter Zeihan

Preliminary results from Israel's March 28 elections indicate that a Kadima-Labor alliance captured 50 seats between them in the Knesset, enough to anchor a center-left coalition capable of ruling effectively.

Israel's electoral system has ensured that the country never has a pure majority government; proportional representation with a mere 2 percent floor encourages a proliferation of parties and makes deal-making (and by extension deal-breaking) a regular feature of Israeli governance. [...] 24187 282 17_Fw: JEWISH HAIKUS11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:10:57 -0800528_iso-8859-1 Keep playing







MORE

JEWISH HAIKUS





Steve









Lacking fins or tail the gefilte fish swims with great difficulty.



Beyond Valium, peace is knowing one's child is an internist.

On Passover we opened door for Elijah. Now our cat is gone.

After the warm rain the sweet smell of camellias. Did you wipe your feet?

Her lips near my ear, Aunt Sadie whispers the name of her friend's disease. [...] 24470 56 38_Am I an Anti-Semite? by Staughton Lynd16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 29 Mar 2006 11:41:18 -0500578_us-ascii I append the url for an article by radical attorney Staughton Lynd from the Englilsh webpage of the Arabic Media Internet Network. Note the passing reference to the Habonim hachshara in Cream Ridge, NJ.



http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2006/mar/mar28-1.html

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 24621 770 37_[QUAR] Final Israeli Election Results16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:38:58 -0500399_us-ascii Final Results These results are based on a count of 99% of the ballot. The final official count is still to be released.

RESULTS

Kadima 28 seats Labor 20 seats Shas 13 seats Yisrael Beitenu 12 seats Likud 11 seats National Union / NRP 9 seats Gil (senior citizens) 7 seats United Torah Judaism 6 seats Meretz 4 seats United Arab List 4 seats Balad 3 seats Hadash 3 seats [...] 25392 21 24_Unitarian Jihad Maifesto11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:21:17 -0500481_ISO-8859-1 Enjoy! Judy

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL

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All the more reason to be puzzled by the low voter turnout...

Noam

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March 30, 2006 Op-Ed Contributor You Say You Want a Constitution By STEVEN V. MAZIE NEARLY six decades after the state of Israel was founded, members of the newly elected Parliament will try to complete the job of drafting a constitution. Their greatest challenge will be to lend coherence to Israel's dual identity as a state that is both Jewish and democratic. [...] 25712 150 35_Re: You say you want a constitution11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:31:53 -0500567_windows-1252 What I have come to grudgingly understand is that Israelis generally don't see the lack of constitution as the flaw we see it as. I can't tell you how many times I have been told by Israelis that the British also don't have a constitution and that is an American hang up. They have 6 basic laws that get interpreted like constitutional law. It requires a super majority to change a Basic Law, much as it takes a super majority to add or change constitutional amendments. However, a lot of stuff we Americans hold dear, like separation of church and [...] 25863 95 35_Re: You say you want a constitution0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:43:25 EST413_US-ASCII In a message dated 03/30/2006 9:34:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gelman@EROLS.COM writes:

It requires a super majority to change a Basic Law, much as it takes a super majority to add or change constitutional amendments. However, a lot of stuff we Americans hold dear, like separation of church and state, aren't in the Basic Laws. Problem is, there is no consensus on a lot of these issues. [...] 25959 62 35_Re: You say you want a constitution11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:00:46 -0500404_ISO-8859-1 National Union-NRP endorsed civil marriage during the campaign. Even they can see that having an estimated 500000 people who can't get married within the state of Israel due to halachic issues just is not healthy for the society. If they don't want to give in on conversions and don't want to cede any power to the progressive religious movements, civil marriage looks pretty attractive. [...] 26022 585 46_[QUAR] TNR - Israeli Election Winners & Losers16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:44:03 -0500608_us-ascii

The New Republic Online A GUIDE TO THE ISRAELI ELECTION. Winners and Losers by Martin Peretz Only at TNR Online Post date: 03.31.06

Let's start with the big losers. Bibi Netanyahu, despite his bluster about reviving the Likud party which he had torn asunder, led it to a coruscating defeat. Having entered the last Knesset with 40 seats, it enters the next one with 12. Now, of course, Ariel Sharon had taken so many of Likud's stars and half-stars with him into Kadima (and into a new way of dealing with the Palestinians) that Netanyahu had almost no one [...]