1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet December 2005 2 115 13_Virus Anyone?11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:24:59 -0800552_US-ASCII Is anyone else getting viruses sent to them from postmaster@shamash.org? My virus blocker keeps detecting these over the last few days.





Brian, can you, please, look into this?





Thanks, Batel



------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 118 152 15_Deus ex Machina28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 09:53:49 +0200577_iso-8859-1 Richard, you wrote:

"... you claim I came close to racism with a statement I made but you did leave out the sentence which proseeded the one you quoted, which was, "Of course you may indeed be correct. " "

Richard,

The impression I got from your statement was that only an inferior person would believe in ideas and values different from those held by you. I did not get this impression from Heidi’s statement to which you were replying. I could be wrong about this. Because it was only an impression on my part my statement was written as [...] 271 67 19_Re: Deus ex Machina0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:56:22 -0800578_iso-8859-1 Efraim wrote: I wrote that your suggestion won't work. The truth is that I am the one who made no suggestion. I have a few ideas that might be considered suggestions, which I believe you will not agree with. If you are interested I will post them.

I would be very interested in reading your suggestions, Efraim. Most of what I have heard from those who disagree with me essentially amounts to variations on "stay the course" or "bring down the hammer harder." I don't believe either of these will work, you don't believe the 3rd party approach will work. [...] 339 68 6_Debate8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:37:09 +0200523_us-ascii

It's Dershowitz vs. Chomsky (via Real Player). A debate at the Kennedy School.

http://iopforum.harvard.edu:8080/ramgen/fr112905israel.rm

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I wish to announce a long overdue passing of the wand. I am finishing my tenure and handing the administration and nurturing of Habonet to a new List Mom - actually to a pair of List Moms. Yuval Warshai has agreed to assume become the primary admin, and Noam Stopak will be the secondary, or backup admin. Both Yuval and Noam are long time, fully engaged members of the Habonet community and from the beginning, both have been involved, respectful, and nurturing Habonet citizens. (This is not to say they steer away from controversy, which is not a [...] 442 149 17_Re: parting words13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:00:05 -0500637_ISO-8859-1 Thank you Brian for ten wonderful years!

Judy



briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET wrote:

>Dear Chaverim, > >I wish to announce a long overdue passing of the wand. I am finishing my tenure and handing the administration and nurturing of Habonet to a new List Mom - actually to a pair of List Moms. Yuval Warshai has agreed to assume become the primary admin, and Noam Stopak will be the secondary, or backup admin. Both Yuval and Noam are long time, fully engaged members of the Habonet community and from the beginning, both have been involved, respectful, and nurturing Habonet citizens. (This is not [...] 592 22 17_Re: parting words12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:54:32 -0500444_us-ascii Brian,

Thank you for your stewardship. As you pass the mantle, I hope that you will be staying with us as a member.

David

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Will you now be publishing your memoirs?

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:30 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: parting words [...] 705 52 42_To our chevre in Israel- Is it just me?...12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:03:11 -0800587_iso-8859-1 Shalom- Last night was the opening gala of the 21st Israel Film Festival here in LA. Our office certainly looks forward to this two-week event every year, and I do especially, since this was my field fo so many years. I must say that Meir Fenigstein has done a bang-up job in exposing the world to Israeli film, and perhaps his work has helped to spark a fledgling industry which hopefully will grow. In the past year, some wonderful films have emerged- "Walk on Water," "Ushpizin,"--But last night, I found myself squirming from embarrassment, and wanting to run out of [...] 758 130 17_Re: parting words0_25_briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:14:45 -0500652_us-ascii Hey Jon,

I would if I could remember anything!

Thanks, brian



----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Baum Date: Thursday, December 1, 2005 3:18 pm Subject: RE: parting words

> Thanks for your efforts on our behalf Brian. You did a bang-up job and > you're a tough act to follow. > > Will you now be publishing your memoirs? > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh > [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On > Behalf Of briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:30 PM > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Subject: parting words > > > [...] 889 32 33_Fwd: Fight breast cancer for free12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:33:02 -0500480_us-ascii It's not very often that you can help a worthy cause by just clicking your mouse. And best of all, according to Snopes.com, it's for real.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/charity/mammogram.asp

David

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Pass it on!

Visit The Breast Cancer Site at http://www.thebreastcancersite.com today and every day to click on the pink "Fund Free Mammograms" button and help fund free mammograms for homeless, working-poor and uninsured women. [...] 922 50 17_Re: Virus Anyone?13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:38:41 -0800398_iso-8859-1 I got one over the past week from the listmaster or postmaster at shomernet with the latest zipped virus that is making the rounds - Sober32, but none from postmaster@shamash.org. ___ |Y| ^^^

Batel Libes wrote: Is anyone else getting viruses sent to them from postmaster@shamash.org? My virus blocker keeps detecting these over the last few days. [...] 973 68 17_Re: Virus Anyone?12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:48:19 -0800500_iso-8859-1 Every time I send an email to Habonet- I get a message from "TAKAM"- in Israel that my email contain viruses- bbut somehow they go through--this has been going on for the past six months or so, and Ican't get rid of it...so I ignore it-sue

Yuval Warshai wrote: I got one over the past week from the listmaster or postmaster at shomernet with the latest zipped virus that is making the rounds - Sober32, but none from postmaster@shamash.org. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...] 1042 81 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:54:22 -0800425_iso-8859-1 It is from TAKAM.CO.IL ( through Israel!) and says "Symantec security ahs detected a virus..." etc...pretty weird..sue

Sue Liberman wrote: Every time I send an email to Habonet- I get a message from "TAKAM"- in Israel that my email contain viruses- bbut somehow they go through--this has been going on for the past six months or so, and Ican't get rid of it...so I ignore it-sue [...] 1124 78 17_Re: Virus Anyone?0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM28_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:08:45 EST367_US-ASCII



In a message dated 12/1/05 2:49:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes:

Every time I send an email to Habonet- I get a message from "TAKAM"- in Israel that my email contain viruses- bbut somehow they go through--this has been going on for the past six months or so, and Ican't get rid of it...so I ignore it-sue [...] 1203 111 17_Re: Virus Anyone?0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:22:10 +0000401_- ibid









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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 1315 241 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:25:22 -0500620_iso-8859-1 I get it too. Ït is from Administrator@TAKAM.CO.IL, but the subject line carries the following message:

"Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address"

I assume everyone who posts to Habonet has been getting those. I promise this will be my first in-depth investigation for a Habonet listserver technical issue. I don't have any clues yet why it happens, probably some computer whizz at TAKAM has set up some monitoring script and forgotten about it since. I have determined at least that it is harmless, and I just see it as a confirmation that my [...] 1557 25 173_This is what I get evrytime I send something to Habonet FW: Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address (SYM:09526498312826896195)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 2 Dec 2005 00:36:33 +0000708_- ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: To: Subject: Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address (SYM:09526498312826896195) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:24:48 +0000

Subject of the message: Re: Virus Anyone? Recipient of the message: "HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG"

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"Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address"

Perhaps the Habonet user(s) with takam addresses can take this up with their ISP?

While I'm writing, I'll add to the host of "Thank you Brian"s. Hard to believe it's been 10 years. It seems like so much longer :-) [...] 1943 381 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:31:26 -0500380_iso-8859-1 Noam,

Following your advice I just did a search on the list membership and found NO habonet subscribed users with a TAKAM address. Maybe some other ISP in Israel has some undisclosed TAKAM connections? ___ |Y| ^^^ ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Virus Anyone?-PS [...] 2325 65 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:53:43 -0500363_iso-8859-1 Actually, thinking about it a little more I did find one Habonet user with possible TAKAM connections. It's Avi from Gezer, who is the only one still left with an 'old' Gezer ISP email address. If he's following this exchange maybe he could inquire with the people that used to manage the ISP there? Just a possible avenue of inquiry. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...] 2391 201 17_Re: parting words0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:08:43 -0500391_us-ascii I don't know what I can add to all of the warm comments except Habonet would not exist without Brian's vision and caring - two pretty great qualities.

Thanks to Yuval and Noam for agreeing to take us forward.

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:30:12 -0500 Subject: parting words [...] 2593 271 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS13_avi rosenberg16_avi@GEZER.ORG.IL30_Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:08:39 +0200431_us-ascii Yuval,

I feel like the "Last of the Mohicans". But I really have no idea what you are talking about. I don't even know where Takam is anymore.





Avi from Gezer





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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Yuval Warshai Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:54 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Virus Anyone?-PS [...] 2865 169 17_Re: parting words11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:16:45 -0800453_iso-8859-1 Brian

Thank you for a job well done!

To Yuval and Noam - "Yesher Koach". Thank you in advance.

Steve Klein ----- Original Message ----- From: kbob24@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 7:08 PM Subject: Re: parting words



I don't know what I can add to all of the warm comments except Habonet would not exist without Brian's vision and caring - two pretty great qualities. [...] 3035 162 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:22:45 -0800 3198 72 20_Re: Virus Anyone?-PS13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Fri, 2 Dec 2005 09:42:06 -0800455_iso-8859-1 Thanks, Avi. Interesting comment. ___ |Y| ^^^

avi rosenberg wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Yuval, I feel like the “Last of the Mohicans”. But I really have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t even know where Takam is anymore.

Avi from Gezer [...] 3271 199 19_Re: Deus ex Machina12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:24:47 +0200464_iso-8859-1 Efraim, you wrote to Sharon: I have a few ideas that > might be considered suggestions, which I believe you will not agree with. > If > you are interested I will post them. >



I'm interested in hearing your ideas, Efraim - please post them. Jessie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michal and Efraim Perlmutter" To: Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:53 AM Subject: Deus ex Machina [...] 3471 2396 20_Find the differences16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sun, 4 Dec 2005 10:22:44 -0500388_us-ascii





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-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:54 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Find the differences



Who is the fellow on the right?









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> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Baum" > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: Find the differences > > >> That's Amir Peretz, the chairman of the Labor Party. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] >> On >> Behalf Of rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 5:54 PM >> To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >> Subject: Re: Find the differences >> >> >> Who is the fellow on the right? > [...] 8412 749 73_Fw: punished for questioning official excuse for Muslim rioters in France11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sun, 4 Dec 2005 20:14:26 -0800481_utf-8

I am passing this along as one of the growing number of incidents that can only remind us of the Dreyfus scandal at another virulently anti-semitic time in jolly old France.

We can only wish Mr. Finkielkraut well.

Steve



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The Riot Act [...] 9162 49 14_foreign bodies11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:13:01 -0500401_- While reading about the latest horror in Netanya, I followed a link to a story from about a week ago that included the following:

"...Mr. Peres's brother, Gigi Peres, attacked Mr. Peretz on Monday on Israeli Army radio, calling him a "foreign body" in Labor who, along with his people "from North Africa," had taken over Labor the way the fascist Francisco Franco had taken over Spain." [...] 9212 110 15_Deus ex Machina28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:43:51 +0200654_iso-8859-1 Sharon,

Please excuse the delay in responding. I spent the weekend at Kibbutz Ginnosar for the winter Jacob’s Ladder song festival and I am only now recovered.

I’ve had a few ideas over the years about how to settle the Arab-Israeli conflict and the developing Palestinian-Israeli conflict. During the Oslo years I was particularly attracted by the Beilin-Abu Mazen agreement as I thought that it was a plan that required compromise but addressed and satisfied the primary national interests of all concerned. When Arafat turned down terms more favorable to the Palestinians than those in the Beilin-Abu Mazen agreement and [...] 9323 103 18_Re: foreign bodies17_Sheldon and Heidi21_shelheid@ACTCOM.CO.IL30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:37:35 +0200590_us-ascii Noam- about the Temple Mount. Israel does not have administrative jurisdisction over the Temple Mount which is in the control of the Wakf- a religious Muslim body. Originally the head of the Wakf was a Jordanian appointee from Jerusalem, but a number of years ago the PLO appointed their own head of the Wakf and informed the other guy that if he contests this appointment they would kill him and his family, so he found his interest in affairs waning. The Antiquities Department brought the Wakf and the destruction to the Supreme Court where they received a ruling in their [...] 9427 384 19_Re: Deus ex Machina0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:18:12 -0800591_iso-8859-1 Efraim- You might be surprised to read that I didn't throw anything through my computer screen, nor did I need to count to 10 after reading your post. I find your discussion of the nature of Palestinian nationalism to be interesting, and it is something that you have clearly thought about way more than I have. You make many good points, I just happen to disagree with the approach outlined. I believe that when you say "the Palestinian leadership must take the following public steps," you immediately set up your process for failure. You are asking for actions that could [...] 9812 162 25_An interesting phenomenon12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:40:42 -0800589_iso-8859-1 Sometimes I listen to talk radio on my way home from work; sometimes it really makes me laugh-others, I find myself either angry or just appalled at the opinions other human beings are ready to dispell to thousands and millions listening on the other side of the dial. Last night, there was, however, a very interesting "fellow" who was talking about the whole Tookie WIlliams thing going on out here in the "west."- His name is Mr. Hayes, and he is an intentionally homeless black intellectual "republican." He had written an "Op-Ed" which was printed in the LA Times, in [...] 9975 470 29_Re: An interesting phenomenon13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:34:49 -0500621_us-ascii Being "intentionally homeless" is hardly a model of responsibility. At least in DC, the leaders in the Black community would do ANYTHING to get 30 days with no murders or violence. It is not so simple. There are drugs and addictions and drug money as well as plain old intergenerational poverty, alcoholism, crimes of passion, untreated mental illness, family dysfunction and all the other factors contributing to violence, hopelessness and crime. Doesn't sound like much of an intellectual to me! Israel has been telling the leaders to stop the violence for 5 years. THe leaders can control some,, but not [...] 10446 149 19_Re: Deus ex Machina13_Yuval Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:47:16 -0500593_iso-8859-1 Sharon,

A very nice, diplomatically and elegantly worded response to Efraim's argument, in my view. I could see THREE points where I couldn't disagree with you in the least (!): 1) We are not going to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict here on Habonet; 2) I doubt we are even going to sway many Habonetters from one "side" to "the other."; and 3) Thank you [to Efraim] for helping to elevate the tone of the discussion. I wanted to thank you too for being able to articulate arguments so elegantly and persuasively, and for helping elevate the overall tone of the [...] 10596 31 16_New Web magasine11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Tue, 6 Dec 2005 20:40:12 -0600682_us-ascii Truth Dig http://www.truthdig.com/ Aiming to challenge conventional wisdom, Truth Dig is a new Web magazine that offers especially insightful and in-depth reporting on subjects of general interest.









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"... how likely is it that your conditions will be met by the Palestinians?"

That is a good question and I wish that I had a good answer. There are certainly forces at work in the Palestinian and Arab community that are leading in the direction of meeting the conditions I listed. There are also forces working in the opposite direction. For instance, Palestinian nationalism may have been little more than an excuse for anti-Zionism on the part of the various Arab communities involved in the conflict until the 1967 war. However, from that time until today [...] 10686 239 29_Re: An interesting phenomenon12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 7 Dec 2005 04:06:30 -0800341_iso-8859-1 Hi Judy- my post wasn't about the resume of Mr. Hayes, or about the causes of the problem of violence, but rather about the lack of commitment of leaders of societies to take responsibility for failure-no-rather to take responsibility at all other than looking for photo ops and spouting rhetoric withiout action. --sue(sie) [...] 10926 61 19_Re: Deus ex Machina0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Wed, 7 Dec 2005 08:32:36 -0800378_us-ascii Efraim wrote: One Christian woman told me that most of her children are leaving or have left for Europe and she was most disturbed when one of her sons told her that he had much more in common with Jews of his age in Tel Aviv than Islamic Arabs living in his own neighborhood. This doesn't bode well for the kind of changes in Palestinian thought that are needed. [...] 10988 59 19_Re: Deus ex Machina12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 7 Dec 2005 20:41:03 -0500457_ISO-8859-1 I agree with Sharon. I see that as a very positive step -- the young Palestinian man's recognition of what he has in common with Israelis, that is, not the Palestinian woman's discomfort with his declaration. (Perhaps we are misreading what it is that Efraim says doesn't "bode well.")

On a somewhat related note, in today's Washington Post columnist David Ignatius writes about "brave Arab journalists," including Hussein Shobokshi: [...] 11048 116 40_Mel Gibson planning Holocaust miniseries11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Wed, 7 Dec 2005 22:25:44 -0800564_us-ascii http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/07/tv.gibsonminiseries.ap/index.ht ml





Is this so he can, just like Spielberg, get his picture on the cover of Time, or is it the cover of the rolling stones?





Batel



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Sorry for being unclear. In my opinion what doesn't bode well is the increasing intolerance within the Palestinian Arab community for anyone who is different including Palestinian Arab nationalists who happen to be Christian.

As for the Palestinian Christian youth who felt more at home among his Israeli counterparts, on the face of it this seems to be a positive thing. The real question in my mind, when evaluating a situation such as this is whether or not the Arab youth is simply trying to "pass" as [...] 11204 85 33_New York Shlicha needs your help!19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Thu, 8 Dec 2005 01:55:36 -0500 11290 158 19_Re: Deus ex Machina17_Sheldon and Heidi21_shelheid@ACTCOM.CO.IL30_Thu, 8 Dec 2005 10:19:37 +0200476_us-ascii



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A very cool response to a hot issue (though not literally: "Global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter" [...] 11855 104 46_Zionist elections - personal note from Ken Bob0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:42:14 -0500589_us-ascii

Folks:

In June 2006, the World Zionist Congress will convene for the 35th time since Theodore Herzl assembled the first World Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland when 204 delegates representing Jewish communities from around the world gathered to create a parliament for the Jews.. To be frank, there are those who say that since the creation of the state, there is no longer a need for such a body. While I am not sure that is true, I do believe that the system is out of date and needs an overhaul. In fact, I personally am involved with an international [...] 11960 139 50_Re: Zionist elections - personal note from Ken Bob12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:54:33 -0800587_iso-8859-1 Hi Ken- what are the exact dates of the June Convention?- I have looked all over the inet and can't find out this info- the official site of the WZO just has voter registration forms- but no dates! Am I blind?--sue

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> > Folks: > > In June 2006, the World Zionist Congress will > convene for the 35th time since Theodore Herzl > assembled the first World Zionist Congress in Basel, > Switzerland when 204 delegates representing Jewish > communities from around the world gathered to create > a parliament for the Jews.. To be frank, [...] 12100 359 50_Re: Zionist elections - personal note from Ken Bob0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:00:15 -0500497_us-ascii Hi Sue:

The World Zionist Congress is being held June 19-22, 2006.

By the way, one of our Israeli Habonetters pointed out to me personally that although they can't vote in this election, they can forward to friends and relatives in the diaspora - so feel free!

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:54:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Zionist elections - personal note from Ken Bob [...] 12460 26 19_A Story in Stitches11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sat, 10 Dec 2005 21:59:19 -0800583_ISO-8859-1 Dear Friends,

I thought many of you would be interested in seeing this quilt telling the story of the artist's Holocaust survival.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2005/12/05/GA2005120501506.html?referrer=emaillink

Shavua tov- Judy

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I have a vague recollection that at some sort of seminar which I believe took place in New Jersey sometime in the mid to late 70s, but before the Islamic revolution in Iran, we had a speaker talk about the growing danger of Islamic fundamentalism. I don't think it was a winter seminar because they were usually at camp Cherry Ford and this I recall being in someone's house. I was wondering if anyone [...] 12532 117 59_Re: Question for east coasters who were involved in the 70s11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:49:09 -0500366_iso-8859-1 Hi Richard,

I remember a party surrounding the Dead show at Englishtown in 1977. Perhaps you are remembering that it was at Ben Laden's house?

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:22 AM Subject: Question for east coasters who were involved in the 70s [...] 12650 149 59_Re: Question for east coasters who were involved in the 70s11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:56:52 -0800637_ISO-8859-1 Wouldn't that be appropriate? ;-)

Judy

Noam Stopak wrote:

> Hi Richard, > > I remember a party surrounding the Dead show at Englishtown in 1977. > Perhaps you are remembering that it was at Ben Laden's house? > > Noam > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET > *To:* HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2005 6:22 AM > *Subject:* Question for east coasters who were involved in the 70s > > Since I am younger than the sixties folks, for me, my proof that I > lived through the 70's is that I don't [...] 12800 180 59_Re: Question for east coasters who were involved in the 70s0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:57:48 +0000567_- May have been appropriate and I had tickets to that concert but didn't go because highways were backed up so I listened to it in the radio. That I remeber and what I'm thinking of was definetly a Habonim function not a drug induced party.

-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Judy Gelman > Wouldn't that be appropriate? ;-) > > Judy > > Noam Stopak wrote: > > > Hi Richard, > > > > I remember a party surrounding the Dead show at Englishtown in 1977. > > Perhaps you are remembering that it was at Ben Laden's [...] 12981 84 21_Twersky strikes again8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:48:34 +0200586_us-ascii

New York Sun Staff Editorial November 22, 2005 URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/23406 There can be only one real rationale for Prime Minister Sharon to leave the party, in the Likud, that he created and that became the vehicle for his political accession, and it is that he's decided to go for disengagement in Judea and Samaria, which the rank and file of Likud does not support. Even if Mr. Sharon's new party does well, however, the odds are that he's going to have to go into a coalition with the left. This means with the new leader of the Labor Party, Amir [...] 13066 360 14_It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:44:28 +0200520_windows-1255

From The Times of London:

Sydney erupts in second night of riots By Simon Freeman and agencies

The Sydney suburbs have erupted in a second night of racially-charged violence which has exposed ugly tensions beneath Australia's good-humoured exterior.

Local media reported a "terrifying escalation" in the conflict, as 70 car loads of Lebanese youths arrived in the predominantly white suburb of Cronulla - the flashpoint for yesterday's running battles - intent on revenge. [...] 13427 26 18_Re: It's spreading11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Mon, 12 Dec 2005 15:34:06 -0500329_- I noticed this in the NY Times this morning and had a similar thought.

Simply smashing, as the Times of London might say.

Wonder where/when it will start in the US? Detroit? LA? Or perhaps here in the "Capitol of the Free World"(TM)?

They say the darkest hour is just before the dawn. Aslan, save us! [...] 13454 38 18_Re: It's spreading0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 05:29:37 +0000533_- I couldn't find anything in the Times this morning about the incident and going by the article that Jon sent in I see almost no comparison. From my reading, and perhaps I read it too quickly, or not carefully enough, it seems that the incident in Australia was a rumble between two groups, Arabs and racists, and the French thing was poor people rioting (without religion being a prime motivation) which, as I pointed out to our chalutzik friend in the western Galil, has been happening since the times of the Roman Republic. [...] 13493 71 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:51:50 +0200483_us-ascii The fact that both incidents involved Arabs that have not successfully integrated into their Western host country must simply be written off as a coincidence. Their culture - while perhaps not "motivation" - could be a "root cause."

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:30 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: It's spreading [...] 13565 81 18_Re: It's spreading0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:14:48 +0000413_- I certainly am no expert on Australian history, but I seem to remember their history of racial tolerance is not exactly spotless. I believe they were rather nasty to their natives and that continued until rather recently. The groups that they mentioned in the article that have integrated (Greeks and Italians) were Europeans so the problems Arabs have had there could very well be the fault of the hosts. [...] 13647 120 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:36:57 +0200491_us-ascii Yes. It's always the Jews' fault. Just like it's never the Arabs' fault. Forget it Richard, I'm sorry I brought it up. When the next wave of Muslim riots break out in, say, Britain, you can blame them on the conquest of India or something.

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:15 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: It's spreading [...] 13768 133 18_Re: It's spreading0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:47:48 +0000425_- That's amazing Jon. You've simplified my agrument to, "it's never the Arabs fault." Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. And I've given you every reason to believe thats what I meant just the way your sense of justice and tolerence and open-mindedness as expressed in your various posts proves that you are no racist. But you are free of the liberal, Jew-run media that I, as an American, have been so effected by. [...] 13902 170 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 13:06:47 +0200463_us-ascii No, Richard, I'm no racist. But I know who's side I'm on. We've got Jew-run media here too, you know. Tolerance isn't an absolute virtue. I'd be willing to bet that there are some things even you don't tolerate.

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:48 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: It's spreading [...] 14073 182 18_Re: It's spreading0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 11:52:49 +0000408_- I'm sure there are things I don't tolerate, most green vegetables for example. Blaming an entire group of people for the action of some of them. And rushing to judgement would be another little something that would annoy me. You want to sy the problems in Australia are the Arabs fault, and I wouldn't excuse any rioting for any reason but from today's Washington Post comes an interesting paragraph: [...] 14256 255 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:45:10 +0200645_us-ascii Try reading the last sentence of the article as well:

"The unrest resembled three weeks of rioting in France that began in the suburbs of Paris on Oct. 27 and spread nationwide, baring frustration in communities with high immigrant and Muslim populations."

I'm not "blaming" the "group" - even though it's perfectly acceptable under certain circumstances. What I can't accept is the system that permits immigration and doesn't mandate integration. That is the true cause of these violent acts. If you are going to allow the establishments of little Beiruts and Algiers, you are only damaging the potential success of [...] 14512 267 18_Re: It's spreading0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:11:30 +0000481_- I won't argue with anything you said, except point out that America is full of Greektowns and Chinatowns and so on. I just don't see how you can equate what happened in France with what happened in Australia even if the Post does considering this began with the Arabs being attacked by a bunch of racists. You will grant me that a group of 5000 white males attacking people who looked like they are Arabs is an act of racism? That was my only point, and I'm sticking to it. [...] 14780 23 18_Re: It's spreading11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 09:27:49 -0500380_- Sorry I wasn't clear Richard. My p.s. about whether there was a difference was with regard to your comment about the party surrounding the show at Englishtown and a habonim seminar.

Your point about the differences between the incidents is well taken, but let's see how things progress. I'm afraid we'll see more similarity than differences with the French rioting. [...] 14804 18 20_"What's Up" in Eilat14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@HOTMAIL.COM31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:32:13 +0000 14823 339 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:51:57 +0200338_us-ascii I take your point about the attack, but that doesn't really explain the problems. The difficulties that the Arabs in Australia face are not caused by racism. As for the equivalence of the riots in France and Oz, well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm a Samuel Huntington fan, so I see the violence as part of a pattern. [...] 15163 29 33_David Broza in Long Island Dec 2221_brian@cooperspace.net21_brian@COOPERSPACE.NET31_Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:10:47 -0500521_ISO-8859-1 David Broza will be playing on Thursday, Dec. 22 at 7:30pm at the Huntington Jewish Center, in Huntington, NY! This is his only Long Island appearance and promises to be a great show with a relatively small audience... if you like Broza, I urge you to come! Should be great fun. Tickets are $50, $30, and $18 for students. ($100 gets you on a post-concert reception with Mr. Broza.) Tickets are available through (add $5.00 to cost if purchased at the door). [...] 15193 101 18_Re: It's spreading8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:35:43 +0200303_US-ASCII

Richard, the clip was merely a spoof on the Ken Burns style of history TV documentary. Sorry if it offended you but I thought it simply made fun of a type of overly politically correct historical interpretation. "One man's dope is an other man's poison" as Jerry Garcia once said. [...] 15295 57 37_Re: David Broza in Long Island Dec 2219_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:10:24 -0500 15353 44 118_Fwd: Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address (SYM:19119658012622425282)19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Wed, 14 Dec 2005 02:57:29 -0500 15398 23 36_know anyone looking for a an old car0_25_briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET31_Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:34:37 -0500565_us-ascii Anyone know anyone in the market for an old minivan? I have a 1997 Mercury Villager with 138K miles to sell. It runs great, truly, but will need some minor work to pass the next inspection.

Let me know as soon as possible if you do...

--brian

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Israel: Scenarios of a Strike Against Iran Summary

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's latest inflammatory statements, in which he called the Holocaust a "myth" and suggested that Israel's Jews be relocated to Europe or even Alaska, are part of a series of provocations that have severely escalated political tensions between Iran and Israel. Furthermore, Israeli military officials have said that Iran is within months of being able to produce nuclear weapons. Because of its extreme vulnerability to a nuclear attack, Israel's threshold for using the military option to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear capability is lower than the United [...] 15592 25 13_chanuka ideas21_brian@cooperspace.net21_brian@COOPERSPACE.NET31_Sun, 18 Dec 2005 16:45:23 -0500435_ISO-8859-1 Anybody doing anything special, different, or otherwise meaningful with your family Chanukah celebration this year? Any ideas to combat the Chrismuka phenomenon, the Americanization of the holiday, and the increasing expectations for a gift a night (at least in Long Island that's what happens!).... Anybody else dealing with kids who suddenly feel especially electronically disadvantaged this time of year? Any ideas? [...] 15618 34 17_Re: chanuka ideas0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:39:26 +0000755_- Two ideas come to mind, a) birth control (perhaps too late?), b) an electric chair.

-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "brian@cooperspace.net" > Anybody doing anything special, different, or otherwise meaningful with > your family Chanukah celebration this year? Any ideas to combat the > Chrismuka phenomenon, the Americanization of the holiday, and the > increasing expectations for a gift a night (at least in Long Island > that's what happens!).... Anybody else dealing with kids who suddenly > feel especially electronically disadvantaged this time of year? Any ideas? > > --Brian > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list [...] 15653 62 17_Re: chanuka ideas11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:34:41 -0800301_ISO-8859-1 In our family, each person, including grandparents has one night to give out gifts. The kids give gifts they make or afford from their allowance. This system, which we started when they were really little, limits the gift overload. On the two "off" nights, I give each of them a book. [...] 15716 77 17_Re: chanuka ideas21_brian@cooperspace.net21_brian@COOPERSPACE.NET31_Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:45:57 -0500581_ISO-8859-1 These are wonderful traditions and ideas. Thanks so much for the response...

--brian

Judy Gelman wrote: > In our family, each person, including grandparents has one night to give > out gifts. The kids give gifts they make or afford from their > allowance. This system, which we started when they were really little, > limits the gift overload. On the two "off" nights, I give each of them > a book. > > We also have an annual discussion of tzeddakah during Hannukah. Our > three kids each get to designate a certain amount of the family's > tzeddakah [...] 15794 109 17_Re: chanuka ideas11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Sun, 18 Dec 2005 20:58:23 -0500567_iso-8859-1 We take one night and give to those less fortunate rather than receiving.

During an extended family get together we will all give modestly priced gifts to a grab bag so everybody gives and everybody gets. We will also be making and decorating tzeddakah boxes.

I've tried to have my daughter give everyone something each year so it's not all about gimme gimme gimme. A drawing or something she put some time in to make is preferred to something purchased, though it is still feels like we are buying into the dominant commercial culture. [...] 15904 136 17_Re: chanuka ideas12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:06:58 -0800580_iso-8859-1 Judy and Noam- You are some of the examples of what makes me proud to be Jewish and from Habonim--susie

--- "brian@cooperspace.net" wrote:

> These are wonderful traditions and ideas. Thanks so > much for the response... > > --brian > > Judy Gelman wrote: > > In our family, each person, including grandparents > has one night to give > > out gifts. The kids give gifts they make or > afford from their > > allowance. This system, which we started when > they were really little, > > limits the gift overload. On the two "off" [...] 16041 34 14_Yiddish Zmirot11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 08:42:33 -0600642_us-ascii Subject: Yiddish Zmirot





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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 16076 44 17_Re: chanuka ideas20_Naomi Goldberg Honor18_naomijgh@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:59:17 -0800396_iso-8859-1 One thing I've been doing the past couple of years is to gather up a wide variety of the solicitations for various organizations I receive, and let each of my kids and whatever friends are around choose which they would like to send money to. I give them each an amount to allocate, and then I write checks. If they want to supplement with their own funds, they can do that, too. [...] 16121 69 17_Re: chanuka ideas12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:55:41 -0800447_iso-8859-1 I wonder how many Hebrew and day schools are latching on to the conept of turning Chanukah into a holiday based on "tzedakah".....For some reason, I have noticed the plethora of Christian-based TV programs, and celebrity-based appeals etc during this time of year appealing to our sense of giving, but I hadn't heard of this in "Jewish" circles- and I am happy to see this in our own families- but is this a "new" phenomenon?..sue [...] 16191 481 24_[QUAR] Re: chanuka ideas0_14_LHIAM1@AOL.COM29_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:18:05 EST340_US-ASCII Susie December appeals for donations is not based on a shift in emphasis from gimme to giving. Neither is it really an extrapolation from giving gifts to family and friends to giving to those who need. Charities (Peace Now included) take advantage of the end of year rush to offer donors one last deduction from income taxes. [...] 16673 65 18_Re: Chanukah ideas8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:37:49 +0200486_us-ascii This looks like a good idea to me. Something the whole family can use.

http://www.totoneorest.com/home.html

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Judy

Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23547/pub_detail.asp > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > > [...] 16851 117 39_Re: Ben Wattenberg on Jewish demography0_15_moshava@AOL.COM31_Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:45:13 -0500833_us-ascii More Habonim trivia-his grandaughter is now attending Mosh. Tammy

-----Original Message----- From: Judy Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:48:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Ben Wattenberg on Jewish demography



Habonim trivia--His daughter Sarah was one of my chanichot at Mosh in 1973.

Judy

Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.23547/pub_detail.asp > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > > [...] 16969 114 18_Re: Chanukah ideas12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:09:51 +0200623_ISO-8859-1 Re: Chanukah ideasHere's a model the whole world can use: http://envirolet.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Chanukah ideas



This looks like a good idea to me. Something the whole family can use.

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-------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jessica Bonn

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> Anyone notice that since Brian left us as fearless > leader Habonet has gone down the toilet? > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > From: Jessica Bonn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service [...] 17163 48 18_Re: Chanukah ideas14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 20 Dec 2005 20:05:55 -0800723_iso-8859-1 No, I haven't noticed any changes and I think that was a very unkind remark. Jamie

--- rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote:

> Anyone notice that since Brian left us as fearless > leader Habonet has gone down the toilet? > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > From: Jessica Bonn > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, > http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: > HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > [...] 17212 39 28_Lisa and Shellie Sclan's mom19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:16:36 -0500 17252 55 7_hatikva16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 03:31:24 -0500625_us-ascii I append below an article from the November 11, 2003 issue of the Forward on ironies about hope in Hebrew. Speaking of hope in Hebrew, I also append a recording of Al Jolson singing "Hatikva." Note the difference in the text that Jolson sings.

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.11.21/arts5.philologos.html

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-------------- Original message -------------- From: Jamie Beaumont

> No, I haven't noticed any changes and I think that was > a very unkind remark. Jamie > > --- rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > > > Anyone notice that since Brian left us as fearless > > leader Habonet has gone down the toilet? > > > > -------------- Original message > > ---------------------- > > From: Jessica Bonn > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > > a service of Hebrew College, [...] 17390 73 18_Re: Chanukah ideas11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:33:23 -0800768_ISO-8859-1 It was a joke--Jon and Jessie both sent pictures of commodes. Judy

Jamie Beaumont wrote:

>No, I haven't noticed any changes and I think that was >a very unkind remark. Jamie > >--- rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > > > >>Anyone notice that since Brian left us as fearless >>leader Habonet has gone down the toilet? >> >> -------------- Original message >>---------------------- >>From: Jessica Bonn >> >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >>Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, >>a service of Hebrew College, which offers online >>courses and >>an online MA in Jewish Studies, >>http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 17464 108 18_Re: Chanukah ideas14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 04:37:24 -0800557_iso-8859-1 I apologize. Actually, I was reading posts last night when I was sleepy so I didn't get the joke about going down the toilet. I rushed to the defense of our new moderators without need. Sorry for being judgemental! Jamie

--- Judy Gelman wrote:

> It was a joke--Jon and Jessie both sent pictures of > commodes. > Judy > > Jamie Beaumont wrote: > > >No, I haven't noticed any changes and I think that > was > >a very unkind remark. Jamie > > > >--- rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > > > > > > > >>Anyone notice [...] 17573 58 30_Teach, Don't Preach, the Bible11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:10:25 -0600578_us-ascii Teach, Don't Preach, the Bible By BRUCE FEILER YESTERDAY'S ruling by a federal judge that "intelligent design" cannot be taught in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district has the potential to put the teaching of the Bible back where it belongs in our schools: not in the science laboratory, but in its proper historical and literary context. An elective, nonsectarian high school Bible class would allow students to explore one of the most influential books of all time and would do so in a manner that clearly falls within Supreme Court rulings. [...] 17632 350 38_[QUAR] Jews Who Smile when Arabs Gloat12_David Mandel20_dlmandel@PACBELL.NET31_Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:53:12 -0800647_windows-1255 I strongly recommend this very perceptive piece from Ha'aretz. David Mandel

Ha’aretz Tuesday, December 20, 2005 Jews who smile when Arabs gloat http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/659903.html





By Bradley Burston



What is it about Israelis that makes them smile when Palestinians rejoice at the misfortunes of the Jews?

What is it about the people of this country that gives them a feeling of validation when newscasters describe gunmen of the Popular Resistance Committees in Gaza firing in the air and handing out baklava and candies to celebrate word of Ariel Sharon's stroke? [...] 17983 50 34_Re: Teach, Don't Preach, the Bible0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:42:04 EST403_US-ASCII Roz: Where did this appear? Avi

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 18082 18 34_Re: Teach, Don't Preach, the Bible0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 21 Dec 2005 17:06:45 +0000584_- I don't believe anyone has objected to including the teaching of the Bible in historical, literary or comparitive religion classes. He is trying to find a moderate position but the one side, that he describes as, "and the far left may complain that it sneaks God in," doesn't exist.

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Please keep in mind that your responses will be kept completely confidential, and that you need not disclose your name or address unless you prefer a direct response to comments or suggestions. [...] 18342 17 19_Re: Survey from God0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:47:05 +0000397_- Very funny Phil.





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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 18360 27 12_The KLM card11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 08:36:37 -0800335_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevre

I am not usually a forwarder of warm, fuzzy stuff but I know that many of you feel an attachment to the organization Ami Cohen started and that's why I just forwarded you the KLM card for SACH--Save a Child's Heart. By forwarding it from the website, you help SACH earns miles to use in its mission. [...] 18388 43 16_Re: The KLM card19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 07:48:45 -0600690_us-ascii judy- nothing came thru. lisa

>From: Judy Gelman >Date: Thu Dec 22 10:36:37 CST 2005 >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: The KLM card

>Dear Chevre > >I am not usually a forwarder of warm, fuzzy stuff but I know that many >of you feel an attachment to the organization Ami Cohen started and >that's why I just forwarded you the KLM card for SACH--Save a Child's >Heart. By forwarding it from the website, you help SACH earns miles to >use in its mission. > >Warmly, >Judy Gelman > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, [...] 18432 19 17_Al Jolson Hatikva16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:00:36 -0500439_ISO-8859-1 As per Trudy's request, I'm resending the Al Jolson rendition of Hatikva. Hopefully the file attachment will make it to Habonet.

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> Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent > from your address (SYM:20685535673773948702)

Anyone who wants the file can email me privately and I'll be happy to forward it to you.

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-----Original Message----- >From: "Elihu D. Davison" >Sent: Dec 21, 2005 3:31 AM >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: hatikva > >I append below an article from the November 11, 2003 issue of the >Forward on ironies about hope in Hebrew. Speaking of hope in Hebrew, I >also append a recording of Al Jolson singing "Hatikva." Note the >difference in the text that Jolson sings. > >http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.11.21/arts5.philologos.html > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, >a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses [...] 18550 73 21_Re: Al Jolson Hatikva0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:05:42 EST400_US-ASCII Elihu.......afaik, Habonet does not accept attachments. At all.

That Symantec message seems to come to almost everyone who posts to Habonet. Now I'm gonna get it.

Anyway, I would very much appreciate the Jolson recording. He was a cousin in my ex-husband's family, btw.



Chag sameach, Debbie



"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag [...] 18624 153 21_Re: Al Jolson Hatikva12_Esther Cohen23_cohensteacy@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:39:10 -0500402_iso-8859-1 and his father, the mohel, "cut" my father, the jew! ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Al Jolson Hatikva



Elihu.......afaik, Habonet does not accept attachments. At all.

That Symantec message seems to come to almost everyone who posts to Habonet. Now I'm gonna get it. [...] 18778 87 21_Re: Al Jolson Hatikva12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 22 Dec 2005 17:00:43 -0800439_iso-8859-1 Elihu- Is there any way to send it as a file- I can access it on the website (lookstein.org)-- but only through the link- and my boss would like to copy it--thanks- sue

Esther Cohen wrote: and his father, the mohel, "cut" my father, the jew! ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Al Jolson Hatikva [...] 18866 71 47_For Those Intent on Armed Robbery, A Safety Tip8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:03:29 +0200454_us-ascii

Avoid a tiger's cage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4548494.stm

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 18938 31 17_Whats Up in Eilat15_Schwartz Family23_arava_eilat@HOTMAIL.COM31_Sat, 24 Dec 2005 13:08:12 +0200550_windows-1255 I would like to thank those who have sent letters to the Mayor of Eilat and the Minister of tourism. I know the Mayor feels the pressure, he has never had such a response to an action of his. Please read my blog at http://www.eilatnature.com/blog/ to see what has been happening in the meantime. I have been a month without work now and am beginning to feel the pressure. The more letters that the Mayor of Eilat and the Minister of tourism receive the quicker the results I hope. Please don't forget to cc me a copy of the letter. [...] 18970 161 34_Why Christmas Is Good For The Jews16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Sun, 25 Dec 2005 11:28:11 -0500311_us-ascii A brief intro: This piece is a bit different from the usual fare, as it was written as an Op-Ed for the Jerusalem Post. But as the second half, in particular, does deal with Israel, I thought it would still be appropriate to this list. If it's not of interest, there's always the "delete" button. [...] 19132 44 10_My Menorah0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 25 Dec 2005 19:46:54 +0000361_- http://www.americancomedynetwork.com/FLASH/my_menorah.htm

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19177 66 26_New work branch on Kibbutz8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 13:05:18 +0200518_us-ascii I guess this is what happens when a kibbutz goes "private." Anybody know these people?

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/662584.html

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 19244 1685 13_[QUAR] Munich16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:22:26 -0500582_us-ascii I copy below Arthur Waskow's endorsement of the recent Spielberg film, Munich. It was sent to me by a friend. I append below the Waskow piece my own response to her, and Leon Wieseltier's recent New Republic essay which I copied from the online World Jewish Review.



> Last night Rabbi Phyllis Berman and I (she's my most beloved rabbi, my > co-author, my teacher, my life-partner) saw Steven Spielberg's new > movie "Munich.". > > It's extraordinary. Spielberg's best film, probably the best film of > 2005, one of the best of the decade. > > See it. > [...] 20930 64 22_Turn your speakers on.8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:05:20 +0200432_us-ascii A very suitable web address:

http://www.iiiiiiii.com/

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----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Turn your speakers on.



A very suitable web address:

http://www.iiiiiiii.com/



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The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. [...] 21108 105 30_Re: New work branch on Kibbutz13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 16:50:47 -0500307_us-ascii I don't know them but illicit trade is a traditional way for those with few marketable skills and a high level of entrepreneurial spirit to enter the free market. Hopefully this will not get to the stage where Gesher Haziv wants to keep Rosh Hanikra out of its market and the shooting starts. [...] 21214 134 30_Re: New work branch on Kibbutz0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 22:54:01 +0000545_- I do know him. or did, when Gesher Haziv was a kibbutz he was in bananas. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Judith Gelman > I don't know them but illicit trade is a traditional way for those with > few marketable skills and a high level of entrepreneurial spirit to > enter the free market. Hopefully this will not get to the stage where > Gesher Haziv wants to keep Rosh Hanikra out of its market and the > shooting starts. > > Hag samayach- > Judy > > Jon Baum wrote: > > > I guess this is [...] 21349 92 30_Re: New work branch on Kibbutz12_Esther Cohen23_cohensteacy@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 20:34:38 -0500365_iso-8859-1 i wondered if it was them! i was there the year argentina and netherlands competed in the world cup. fritz the dutchman was a volunteer in the bananas then, and the competition was keen. Ronni's father got a standing ovation when he came in to the chadar ochel the next morning before work. (Argentina won.) ...Remember their fat banana-eating dog? [...] 21442 34 30_Re: New work branch on Kibbutz20_Lon & Shelly Ephraim16_cbma@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:44:59 -0500687_US-ASCII What was actually in those bananas?

Shelly



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SOURCE http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=1857

Workers at Third U.S. Starbucks Go Union by Steve Ongerth - IWW Sunday, Nov 27 2005, 8:58pm intexile@iww.org phone: 415-863-9627 north america / mexico / workplace struggles / news report

Baristas Demand Guaranteed Work Hours

New York, NY - 25 Starbucks baristas and supporters wearing union pins and hats surrounded the store manager at the Union Square location in Manhattan tonight to announce their membership in the IWW Starbucks Workers Union (www.starbucksunion.org). [...] 21750 47 44_Re: Workers at Third U.S. Starbucks Go Union0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Wed, 28 Dec 2005 15:28:09 EST393_US-ASCII IWW Amazing isn't it.

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Attached Message From: Asbury8 To: CHABJM; COOLBJR; cwspunky@comcast.net; Rachelb100@cs.com; FELDRJ Subject: (no subject) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:04:06 AM Eastern Standard Time [...] 21913 24 29_Web page referral: snopes.com0_13_sc523@AOL.COM31_Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:12:43 -0800400_- I thought this entry from the Urban Legends Reference Pages at snopes.com might interest you:

http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/stroke.asp

This article in Snopes. com (also known as Urbanlegends.com) confirms the information that Hank sent, discounts a lot of other info floating around about strokes that is false, and adds some new info.

Hope this is helpful, Aliya [...] 21938 33 19_Recognizing strokes12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:28:52 +0200517_windows-1255 Several years ago a friend called and I noticed that her speech was slurred. She thought she had bitten her tongue and didn't think anything of it. A few hours later I spoke with her again and her speech hadn't improved. I wanted to take her to the hospital but she still didn't think it was anything important. So I told her to call a friend who is a doctor to ask her opinion. She called me back two minutes later and said that the doctor had scared the hell out of her, let's go to the hospital. [...]