1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet October 2005 2 142 24_Unrealistic Expectations11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:39:10 -0700429_iso-8859-1 Judith Gelman forwarded an article that was both analytical and articulate. I would like to make a comment on one excerpted idea that I think is central to the misunderstandings and intellectual stalemate contained in that article. My comments are not to be construed as looking for a fight, but rather- "What am I missing here?". (And contrary to what Sam feverishly believes, I am not from the Israeli right.): [...] 145 58 20_Re: get up, stand up11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 09:44:48 -0700468_iso-8859-1 Steve's response:

It has been a while since anyone from the "group" has said something complimentary about me. Thank you. It means as much to me than the nice words I get from true friends. And yes, Richard, Angela Davis would bring out the Steve in me also.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: Re: get up, stand up [...] 204 80 28_Re: Unrealistic Expectations0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:56:48 -0400543_us-ascii

Steve:

I don't often weigh in on the Habonet political discussions, mostly due to a lack of time. However, yesterday I heard something that directly relates to the point you raised, so I thought I would share it with you and Habonet.

Yesterday I was present at a briefing from members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs Committee for the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations. One of the main topics discussed was what to do about Hamas, the main problem when it comes to the issue you raised. [...] 285 285 28_Re: Unrealistic Expectations11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:19:26 -0700472_iso-8859-1 Excellent!

Steve



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Steve:

I don't often weigh in on the Habonet political discussions, mostly due to a lack of time. However, yesterday I heard something that directly relates to the point you raised, so I thought I would share it with you and Habonet. [...] 571 338 34_Fw: Marching against War--and Jews11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:27:54 -0700780_iso-8859-1

"Netters

More (and worthy of your attention) commentary concerning the anti-war rally.

Steve



Subject: Fw: Marching against War--and Jews







AEI American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

Marching against War--and Jews By David Frum Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2005

ARTICLES National Post (Canada) Publication Date: September 27, 2005

In Washington last weekend, tens of thousands of people gathered in the largest protest to date against the Iraq war. The tally has to be approximate: The National Park Service no longer provides estimates of attendees at rallies and demonstrations, and counts by the groups themselves are notoriously unreliable. But there is [...] 910 71 7_Apology11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:51:42 -0700336_iso-8859-1 Habonetters

I apologise profusely for sending a reply to Sue that was meant to stay private. I hadn't realised she had shifted to Habonet forum. The use of profanity is unseemly, and I once again I apologise- and would even ask the favor of your not reading my last letter to Sue and send it staright to "trash". [...] 982 22 20_Re: get up, stand up11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:25:30 -0700 1005 114 20_Re: get up, stand up0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:37:18 -0400458_us-ascii

Batel - Just like a good parent, I loved all of my three MB groups equally (but 1972 was great).

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Batel Libes To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:25:30 -0700 Subject: Re: get up, stand up



"especially 1972"

and that had nothing to do with you being rosh mb for the first time that year to the best mb group, would it? batel [...] 1120 60 23_Habonim Dror Foundation0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:12:31 -0400329_us-ascii Hi Folks:

This time of year I usually share with you a few comments on the Habonim Dror Foundation in the form of a "word from the sponsor of Habonet," but this year is a little different. At the September 25 annual board meeting of the HDF, Mark Seal was elected chair and I take on the role of past chair. [...] 1181 83 21_speaking of apologies11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:35:32 -0400495_iso-8859-1

Hello,

It is that time of year again. Alas, once again I find that I was unable to keep my vow to stick to the issues and not get involved in personalities, so I must ask forgiveness for the times when I have offended others on this list. In particular I ask Steve Klein and Pearl Skolnik for forgiveness for the times when I have gone beyond the issues and into the personal. I hope I will be able to discuss the issues in a less heated manner in the year ahead. [...] 1265 200 21_Fundraising Out-takes16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:38:30 -0400357_us-ascii This is a follow-up to Ken's High Holiday report from the Habonim-Dror Foundation. In the near future the Foundation will be undertaking telemarketing calls to every alum it can find. To that end, a consultant worked with the board and Foundation volunteers to develop a telemarketing script. Here are some of the out-takes that were excised. [...] 1466 211 20_Re: get up, stand up11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:56:48 -0400362_iso-8859-1 Since you were there in 1975 too, what other year? Who was sandwiched in the middle?

Guess the 70's were like the 60's (and perhaps Dror as well Elihu) - if you remember them, you weren't there...

Sorry also to those who are offended that I left them off the list of people I have offended - keep those cards and letters coming :-) [...] 1678 253 20_Re: get up, stand up0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 15:57:42 +0000476_- Danny Drochler (sp???) was rosh in 74 for Yod Bet and that was the very best MB of all and I hope Ive offended everyone who wasn't in Yod Bet.









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I take the opportunity to ask forgiveness of those I may have offended, hurt, insulted, and rubbed the wrong way. Please understand, that I sit on my hands as long as I can, but sometimes words are written that cause my hands to fly in the direction of the keyboard because "hegeeu mayim ad nafesh." At that point I let it [...] 2073 200 20_Re: get up, stand up0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:34:39 -0400386_us-ascii I was Rosh MB in '72 (Yud), '73 (Yud Aleph), and '75 (Yud Gimmel). Danny Drachler was in '74.

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:56:48 -0400 Subject: Re: get up, stand up



Since you were there in 1975 too, what other year? Who was sandwiched in the middle? [...] 2274 24 12_Shanah Tovah12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:06:17 -0700556_iso-8859-1 Shanah Tovah to everyone--Shat Shalom la'olam.......sue





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Well-written and cogent.

Steve



Syria after Lebanon: Hooked on Lebanon by Gary C. Gambill Middle East Quarterly Fall 2005 http://www.meforum.org/article/769

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Friends If you never see another article or video for the rest of the year, do yourselves a giant favor and see this one. If you are not absolutely amazed (and entertained), I will return your money, no questions asked. [...] 2498 2705 15_Fw: Haim Harari11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:56:55 -0700611_iso-8859-1

Most of this may not be new to most of us, but it is an eloquent piece of writing, and my pleasure to send along to you.

Steve





Dear Marcia - Shalom and Shana Tova

The author of the attached article, Haim Harari, is a prominent Israeli physicist of world wide reputation and honors as well as the recipient of many prestigious scientific awards. Among else, he was president of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel (1998-2002). BTW, Haim was a class mate of mine at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem many years ago (before I went for [...] 5204 140 25_Re: speaking of apologies11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:08:11 -0700606_iso-8859-1

Noam

I have never gotten a New Year's card quite like this one. It is probably one of the best.

Taken and Given. Have a great 5766!

Steve



Subject: speaking of apologies





Hello,

It is that time of year again. Alas, once again I find that I was unable to keep my vow to stick to the issues and not get involved in personalities, so I must ask forgiveness for the times when I have offended others on this list. In particular I ask Steve Klein and Pearl Skolnik for forgiveness for the times when I have gone beyond the [...] 5345 67 17_Fw: Starting Over11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:19:08 -0700453_iso-8859-1

Some "Honey and Apples" for the New Year.

Steve









http://www.aish.com/a/startingover.asp

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5413 130 20_Re: get up, stand up0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:38:55 -0700418_us-ascii Ken, you knew someone would call you on this, so I'm stepping up to do it. I guess this is a little of what it feels like to be a middle child.

Sharon MB Yud Aleph (1973) Workshop 24 @ Grofit











kbob24@AOL.COM Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/01/2005 07:37 PM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [...] 5544 58 10_Shana Tova0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:05:24 EDT391_US-ASCII I send all of you blessings for a year of health, inner peace and fulfillment. Also shalom al Yisrael and the entire world. I am beginning this year in a new and exciting way. Wanted to tell all who know me that I have become engaged to a wonderful man, Re'uven Caplan. We hope to marry late in December. May you all be inscribed and sealed in the Book of Life. Ellen Ginsburg [...] 5603 169 20_Re: get up, stand up0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:06:06 -0400451_us-ascii Hey, I AM a middle child and '73 was a great group too (including my own sister).

Shana Tova,

Ken

-----Original Message----- From: Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:38:55 -0700 Subject: Re: get up, stand up





Ken, you knew someone would call you on this, so I'm stepping up to do it. I guess this is a little of what it feels like to be a middle child. [...] 5773 100 14_Re: Shana Tova0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:30:37 -0700312_us-ascii Mazal Tov!!

I will also take this opportunity to apologize to any on this list whom I've offended. I won't promise not to have strong opinions, or not to share them, but I will strive to express myself in ways that communicate and do not offend. And I add my wishes for a shana tova to all. [...] 5874 95 14_Re: Shana Tova12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:53:13 -0700549_iso-8859-1 Mazal tov to Ellen!- and to anyone I have offended or hurt, I apologize--Trying not to separate "Am Yisrael" from the rest of the world in wishing peace and fulfillment ( again) -sue

--- Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV wrote:

> Mazal Tov!! > > I will also take this opportunity to apologize to > any on this list whom > I've offended. I won't promise not to have strong > opinions, or not to > share them, but I will strive to express myself in > ways that communicate > and do not offend. And I add my wishes for a shana > [...] 5970 96 14_Junior Birdman0_16_JoshCTRS@AOL.COM28_Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:13:01 EDT560_US-ASCII Hello Chevre,

Shanah Tovah,

I can't seem to get a consensus on the lyrics to this song. What do you guys think? I'm using this song in a school project. Do I have the wording right?



Josh Barol (Galil, 32nd Workshop GH)

Up in the air Junior Birdman, Up in the Air Upside down, Up in the air Junior Birdman, With your noses to the ground. When you hear the big announcement... that his wings are made of tin. Then you know Junior Birdman... has sent his box tops in. It takes 5 Box tops 4 bottletops 3 coupons 2 [...] 6067 85 18_Re: Junior Birdman19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 01:31:48 -0400 6153 88 18_Re: Junior Birdman14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:31:57 -0700433_iso-8859-1 This is how I remember the song from 33 years ago!!! Jamie Shana Tova

Up in the air Junior BIRDMEN Up in the Air Upside down, Up in the air Junior BIRDMEN, With your noses to the ground. When you hear the big announcement... AND YOUR wings are made of tin. Then you know Junior BIRDMEN... HAVE sent THEIR box tops in. THERE ARE 5 Box tops 4 bottletops 3 coupons 2 stamps and 1 thin dime. **Machine gun noise** [...] 6242 265 18_Re: Junior Birdman0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:53:22 -0700453_us-ascii This is my recollection of the words as sung way out west at Gilboa in the late 60s/early 70s. The "2 somethings" line is undoubtedly what we sang because nobody knew what the word was supposed to be.

Sharon









Jamie Beaumont Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/06/2005 05:31 AM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [...] 6508 111 78_The Single Most Heinous Act Ever Committed by a President of the United States11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:12:29 -0600434_us-ascii The Single Most Heinous Act Ever Committed by a President of the United States http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/singlemostheinousact.html

The problems in the world and the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina can all be traced back to one thing, one single source: In 1997, then President Bill Clinton received oral sex from an intern, Monica Lewinsky, and lied about it to the American people and to Congress. [...] 6620 127 18_Re: Junior Birdman11_Sue Freeman19_sfreeman@CFL.RR.COM30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:18:27 -0400500_iso-8859-1 Jamie's version is soooo close to the way I remember it from the late 1960's (boy am I dating myself).

Up in the air Junior BIRDSMEN > Up in the Air Upside down, > Up in the air Junior BIRDSMEN, > And keep your noses to the ground. > When you hear the big announcement... > THAT YOUR wings are made of tin. > Then you know Junior BIRDSMEN... > HAVE sent THEIR box tops in. > IT TAKES 5 Box tops > 4 bottletops > 3 WRAPPERS > 2 LABELS > and 1 thin dime. > **Machine gun noise** [...] 6748 136 66_BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.13_Moshe Sheskin23_moshe.sheskin@GMAIL.COM30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:56:03 -0400622_UTF-8 I must assume that this is legit. If you read it, have yourself a good cry. We don't need governments, politicians and all that it entails. What we need is a belief in God or someone like George Bush who decided to be our representative, world-wide that is. As we approach Yom Kippur and ask God that our pleas to be inscribed in the 'Book of Life', we should turn our thoughts to George Bush. According to this article, he is better able to get what we only dream off. Moshe Sheskin Hulda ============================================= [image: bbc.co.uk] Press Releases God [...] 6885 53 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:48:52 -0700588_us-ascii I don't believe George Bush is even my legitimate President, let alone my world-wide representative. But on a lighter note...

I play in a band that is frequently engaged to perform for groups with whom I have wildly diverging political and religious leanings (even more so than with subscribers to Habonet). We have an annual gig at a local Presbyterian church at which a prescribed set of toasts are given -- every year, the same exact toasts. The band is furnished with the little plastic cups of wine that are handed out to everybody else so we can participate in [...] 6939 164 18_Re: Junior Birdman15_Beverly Warshai21_warshai@SBCGLOBAL.NET30_Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:13:15 -0400313_iso-8859-1 Each version submitted gets closer and closer to what I remember. Just two words differerent than the last version, and I can still remember the swooping hand motions, etc. that went with it. But this was not something I remember from Tavor, rather it was from a different Jewish Camping program. [...] 7104 61 12_We're doomed8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:38:31 +0200409_us-ascii

http://www.quitpalestine.org/

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Sharon









Jon Baum Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/07/2005 08:38 AM Please respond to jonbaum



To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG cc: Subject: We're doomed [...] 7255 266 19_Proud to be a Habo!19_Aliya Cheskis-Cotel13_sc523@AOL.COM30_Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:26 -0400 7522 81 16_Re: We're doomed12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:14:41 -0700585_iso-8859-1 Well- where's you're sense of humor? This was so outrageous that I was laughing for twenty minutes--If they take themselves seriously, it is funny, and if they don't, it was pretty funny anyway- Also- how funny that Jon can find this kind of stuff!...sue

--- Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV wrote:

> I guess I'm too much of a California Girl to see > anything noteworthy about > this organization or their website. Jon's comment > was probably meant to > be funny; I don't get the joke. > > Sharon > > > > > > Jon Baum > Sent by: Habonim [...] 7604 67 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:16:59 -0700566_iso-8859-1 I'm not sure even God is up to that job!--sue

--- Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV wrote:

> I don't believe George Bush is even my legitimate > President, let alone my > world-wide representative. But on a lighter note... > > I play in a band that is frequently engaged to > perform for groups with > whom I have wildly diverging political and religious > leanings (even more > so than with subscribers to Habonet). We have an > annual gig at a local > Presbyterian church at which a prescribed set of > toasts are given -- every > year, the [...] 7672 26 16_Re: we're doomed28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:52:15 +0200475_iso-8859-1 The irony of the message that this organization broadcasts is that today Israel serves as the only refuge for Palestinian gays who, when they are forced out of the closet, flee from their own society in fear for their lives. There is an Israeli gay rights organization which specializes in obtaining Israeli residence permits for gay Palestinians who can no longer live in the Palestinian Authority without the real possibility of being murdered or arrested. [...] 7699 71 14_They're doomed8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:39:19 +0200561_us-ascii

I suppose that what I should have done is contrast Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism with this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-1814968,00.html





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http://www.quitpalestine.org/





As usual the map of the 48 partition forgot to mention that Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip and Jordan occupied the west bank and the Old City of Jerusalem.





Arie



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The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. [...] 7890 100 18_Re: They're doomed8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:13:57 +0200593_US-ASCII Sam, I'm glad to see that other people's High Holiday apologies for being personally abusive on Habonet haven't rubbed off on you. Don't ever change.

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Smfgrappa@aol.com [mailto:Smfgrappa@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:45 PM To: jonbaum@sasa.org.il Subject: Re: They're doomed





Jon

I am not sure why you find this so funny. You are a Bushy and therefore your views are not too different from those of Dr. Zahar. Are you posting this because you admire Hamas and their religious fanatics? [...] 7991 87 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:34:25 -0700637_iso-8859-1 Sharon

Your e-mail has come through a couple of times.

Just out of curiosity; are these people voting with or against the Presbyterian movement to divest from Israel?

Do you see your participation as a chance to influence in some way that participation in the divestment decision?

Steve



> > --- Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV wrote: > >> I don't believe George Bush is even my legitimate >> President, let alone my >> world-wide representative. But on a lighter note... >> >> I play in a band that is frequently engaged to >> perform for groups with >> whom I have wildly diverging [...] 8079 129 20_Re: get up, stand up13_David Twersky23_dtwersky@AJCONGRESS.ORG30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:09:34 -0400579_iso-8859-1 ken you were too young to enjoy the sixties...at least until the seventies. or was that my seventies?

________________________________

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I feel like we should play "Folk Singer Jeopardy," you know "I'll take Pete Seeger for $500," but I am sure Richard would win.....but I did enjoy the sixties, especially 1972 (you know that the sixties lasted through Nixon's resignation, right?) [...] 8209 215 18_Re: Junior Birdman14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@YAHOO.COM30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:30:50 -0700570_iso-8859-1 Bottlebottoms!!! Yes!!! Jamie

--- Beverly Warshai wrote:

> Each version submitted gets closer and closer to > what I remember. Just two > words differerent than the last version, and I can > still remember the > swooping hand motions, etc. that went with it. But > this was not something I > remember from Tavor, rather it was from a different > Jewish Camping program. > > Up in the air Junior Birdsmen > Up in the Air Upside down, > Up in the air Junior Birdsmen, > keep your noses OFF the ground. > When you hear [...] 8425 65 28_dodi li - teach me the steps11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET30_Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:18:52 -0400465_iso-8859-1

Hello,

Can anyone out there in habonet land describe the steps to the couple dance Dodi Li and send them via email?

Thank you,

Noam

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Noam

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 12:03 AM Subject: Re: dodi li - teach me the steps



>I am sure ALiyah can- or Sam Bergman--It starts with > you facing each other= girl holding boy's right hand > with her left- do a yemenite right- and you swing > around and go down on one knee-I think you should wait > for the kumsitz- it will [...] 8627 126 49_Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:23:48 -0700593_iso-8859-1

Now is the time for the thinkers on Habonet to look at something and give their feedback and analyses.

Steve



Subject: another threat to Israel, but from California







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Dear Friends,

Please read the attached letter from David Horowitz about Proposition 77. This Proposition is a serious threat to Israel, American-Israeli relations, and a strong American foreign policy. It will literally serve to sacrifice some of the most powerful pro-Israel members of Congress. [...] 8754 410 79_Fw: Emergency Winter Clothing Drive, Toys, School Supplies for Israeli Homeless11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 06:29:24 -0700479_iso-8859-1



Subject: Fw: Emergency Winter Clothing Drive, Toys, School Supplies for Israeli Homeless





From: DarylTemkinPhD@aol.com To: DarylTemkinPhD@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:20 AM Subject: Emergency Winter Clothing Drive, Toys, School Supplies for Israeli Homeless - an opportunity not to be missed!





Please spread this information as widely as possible. Thanks, DT

Dear Rabbis and Friends, [...] 9165 187 14_Israel's E-bay16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 09:44:44 -0400527_us-ascii

Buying? Selling? Anglo launches local auction Web site

By Daphna Berman / Ha'aretz / Friday, October 07, 2005





An online bidding company similar to eBay has been launched for Anglos in Israel.





www.Israbid.com , an English-language Web site that allows Israelis to buy and sell items, has been online and operational for a month and is the brainchild of entrepreneur Nachum Kligman, who emigrated from the U.S. three years ago. [...] 9353 170 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:41:03 +0000466_- Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the proposition is. My gut reaction is that if Horawitz is against it it can't be all bad.









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The dance was by Sara Lavi Taney, who was forunder of The Imbal Dance Troupe.

She past away this weekend.



Arie

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In a message dated 10/8/2005 11:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

Bottlebottoms!!! Yes!!! Jamie



What's a bottlebottom, Jamie?

Josh Barol

P.S. How the heck are you!!! (Becca's little brother)

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Beth and I just returned to the USA after spending a month in Tel Aviv.

Since 1993, I have had the great good fortune to have visited about 55 countries in the world, mostly in what used to be called the "Third World" - now politically incorrect -, and now called, euphemistically, "Developing" countries. I say "euphemistically" because they are usually not developing much - rather, they are just, by and large, poor. My impression from my experiences is that what is reported here in the profit-driven news outlets in the USA ("If it bleeds, it leads") about [...] 10140 22 33_Makes You Proud To Be An American11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:25:48 -0600611_us-ascii http://www.transbuddha.com/index.php/buddha/comments/5351/

short video where a guy acts like a news representative and heads out to see how smart we all are. He asks the controversial question of who should we attack next on the war against terror. Listen to some of the very uneducated answers.

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Here are the Kumzitz reminders:

if you can, please rsvp to moshava@aol.com so we get some idea of how many. [...] 10456 4844 15_Shiron Part One0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:49:19 +0000365_-

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Yours for raising awareness, Debbie

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lisa

From: lewis levin >Date: Sun Oct 09 17:24:40 CDT 2005 >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Dodi Li

>? >The HABONET mailing list is hosted byShamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College,which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. >To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 27651 57 38_Re: Kumzitz reminder and resent Shiron0_15_Moshava@AOL.COM28_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:22:30 EDT474_US-ASCII The email address for the RSVP address came out really strange. RSVP to moshava@aol.com. There are already lots of people coming! Join the fun! Thanks, Tammy Moshava

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http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/entertainment/gossip/12860365.htm

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27750 75 43_Emergancy Winter Drive for Israeli Homeless15_Nechemia Meyers23_meyers@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:24:46 +0200655_windows-1255 Shalom, I strongly question the justification for this scheme, which I suspect is motivated primarily by political objectives. In any case, the statement on Habonet is full of misleading statements. The evacuees from Gush Katif, who are the ones for which help is requested, are not homeless people sleeping the streets. Most don't yet have permanent housing because of disagreements with the Government over its character and location, but the picture evoked by the term homeless doesn't apply to them. There are untold thousands of poverty-stricken Israelis--some of them homeless--who need help during the winter (and the rest of the [...] 27826 238 32_Re: post-Israel trip ruminations12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:45:15 -0700344_iso-8859-1 Steve- what a beautiful and warm testament to our culture- and coming from you how wonderful...Having heard you perform here, and lately- I was so wonderfully surprised at your own talents...You are one of those you speak of- Hope you'll be at the kumsitz Saturday night- susie...

--- Steve Hancoff wrote: [...] 28065 338 24_More divine retribution?16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:00:55 -0400638_us-ascii



News

10/09/2005 20:59:36 EST PEDRO UGARTE/AP Photo

Some Rabbis Criticize New Madonna Song By RACHEL HOAG Associated Press Writer JERUSALEM - A song on Madonna's upcoming album dedicated to a Kabbalist rabbi is drawing criticism from other rabbis, the Israeli Maariv daily reported Sunday.

The album, "Confessions on a Dance Floor," is to be released on Nov. 15 and features a track entitled "Isaac" about Yitzhak Luria, a 16th century Jewish mystic and Kabbalah scholar. [...] 28404 55 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:11:39 -0700429_us-ascii Steve's Q's and my A's Q: Just out of curiosity; are these people voting with or against the Presbyterian movement to divest from Israel? A: I haven't the faintest idea.

Q: Do you see your participation as a chance to influence in some way that participation in the divestment decision? A: No. I play in a band. I play music for anybody who will listen. Even for me, there are things that are not political. [...] 28460 283 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:30:13 -0700802_iso-8859-1 From the CA Secretary of State Prop 77 Official Title and Summary:

PROPOSITION 77 REDISTRICTING. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.

Redistricting. Initiative Constitutional Amendment. Amends process for redistricting California's Senate, Assembly, Congressional and Board of Equalization districts. Requires panel of three retired judges, selected by legislative leaders, to adopt new redistricting plan if measure passes and after each national census. Panel must consider legislative, public comments/hold public hearings. Redistricting plan effective when adopted by panel and filed with Secretary of State; governs next statewide primary/general elections even if voters reject plan. If voters reject redistricting plan, process repeats, but officials elected under [...] 28744 51 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:40:00 -0700342_iso-8859-1 Richard

I'm guessing you directed the question to me. The answer is, "I don't know", and that is why I sent out the "help" message. Also, I was hoping for brain reactions more than gut reactions. He claims this issue should concern good people of all stripes, and I have no reasons, gut or otherwise, to question that. [...] 28796 139 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:34:48 -0700309_us-ascii I'm pretty sure that I can speak for a lot of Californians when I say that we appreciate your concern. I speak for myself only when I ask that you leave our internal policy making to us. There are a LOT of issues besides possible impacts to Israel wrapped up in our dear Governor's initiatives. [...] 28936 240 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:25:21 -0700650_iso-8859-1

Sharon

I'm pretty sure I can speak for a lot of Californians also. Whatever made you assume I was from anywhere else?!

Also, thanks for your help on understanding the proposition.

Google doesn't have what I was looking for.

G'mar hatima tova.

Steve



Subject: Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California





I'm pretty sure that I can speak for a lot of Californians when I say that we appreciate your concern. I speak for myself only when I ask that you leave our internal policy making to us. There are a LOT of issues besides possible impacts to [...] 29177 366 30_Fw: Russian missiles for Syria11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:33:24 -0700745_UTF-8

Well worth not only our concern. Please read and pass along.

Steve



Subject: Russian missiles for Syria









Moscow Arms Assad with a Top-Flight Surface Missile

http://www.debka.com/

October 10, 2005, 12:29 PM (GMT+02:00)



Iskander SS-26: Too fast and flexible for known electronic defenses to stop



Two generals were in Moscow on the same day, September 26: the head of Israel’s National Security Council Maj.-Gen (Res.) Giora Eiland and the Syrian chief of staff General Ali Habib. Both also called on the Russian chief of staff, Gen. Yuri Baluyevski. The Syrian general came out of his meeting with a brilliant contract for [...] 29544 242 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:59:52 -0700431_us-ascii Steve- I made no assumption about where you are from. But you did send this to a list read by people all around the world, which indicated to me that you thought they ought to consider it a matter of their concern. Interesting that you couldn't find what you needed through Google. I Googled "Proposition 77" and got a whole mess of sites, the first one being the CA Secretary of State's official ballot information. [...] 29787 1107 68_Fw: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Monday, October 10, 2005 and 7 Elul 576611_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:58:21 -0700684_iso-8859-1

Fellow 'netters

The article that caught my eye is the one going down the page on the left hand side.

Steve



Subject: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Monday, October 10, 2005 and 7 Elul 5766



The NEWS from ISRAEL





October 10, 2005

In-Depth Issues:

Al-Qaeda Raises Its Head in Gaza - Khaled Abu Toameh (Jerusalem Post) A leaflet distributed in Khan Yunis over the weekend by al-Qaeda's "Palestine branch" announced that the terrorist group has begun working towards uniting the Muslims under one Islamic state. The leaflet said the group's chief goal was to enforce Islamic law in the entire [...] 30895 607 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:18:11 -0700462_us-ascii Except for the stem cell research, there isn't really anything he has done that I haven't objected to.





G'mar chatima tova,

Batel





-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:00 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California [...] 31503 408 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:22:10 -0700397_iso-8859-1 Sharon

I don't get the "mind their own business" part. If there is a possible or perceived threat to Israel, how does that contain itself within State lines?

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California [...] 31912 173 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 08:34:13 -0700283_iso-8859-1 Sharon

I am sorry you see the issue as political. (That is NOT to say I don't understand, so please don't get me wrong). In my mind, when there is an opportunity [such a the one you described] to garner some good will for Israel or the Jewish people, why not? [...] 32086 304 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:59:07 -0700473_us-ascii Changes to the California constitution should be made by Californians, without outside interference. You (apparently) look at this initiative and see a threat to Israel. I look at it and see a change in how California sets legislative boundaries.

Sharon









Steve Klein Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/11/2005 08:22 AM Please respond to Steve Klein [...] 32391 164 70_Re: BBC- God told me to invade Iraq, Bush tells Palestinian ministers.0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:06:25 -0700553_us-ascii Steve- I strive to live my life so as to be a positive example. If someone in this Presbyterian congregation somehow discovers that I'm Jewish and a supporter of Israel, then perhaps that someone might think "gee, they're not all so bad, after all." Maybe they won't; maybe they already think that way. More likely they'd think "what's a Jewish girl doing playing the bagpipes?" But the fact is, it just never comes up. My music speaks for itself, I don't talk when I play. If I wanted to use band gigs as a bully pulpit, I'd have to form [...] 32556 605 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:43:10 +0200501_us-ascii I guess I must have missed something here. Can anybody explain why a resolution that deals with legislative boundaries in California affects Israeli security? Does it have something to do with Q.U.I.T.?

Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:59 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California [...] 33162 442 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:45:43 -0700661_iso-8859-1 Sharon

I will let you know more as I find out more, hopefully before November.

Steve



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Steve- I made no assumption about where you are from. But you did send this to a list read by people all around the world, which indicated to me that you thought they ought to consider it a matter of their concern. Interesting that you couldn't find what you needed through Google. I Googled "Proposition 77" and got a [...] 33605 383 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:59:20 -0700581_us-ascii Finally, a joke of Jon's that made me laugh!

Sharon









Jon Baum Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/11/2005 10:43 AM Please respond to jonbaum



To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG cc: Subject: Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California



I guess I must have missed something here. Can anybody explain why a resolution that deals with legislative boundaries in California affects Israeli security? Does it have something to do with Q.U.I.T.? [...] 33989 647 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:05:37 +0000293_- It has never been explained Jon. It was reported that David Horowitz, a right wing fanatic and borderline racist, said that the proposition was dangerous for Israel but it appears that that isn't even true and we have wasted a good deal of time on this for apparently no reason at all. [...] 34637 246 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:27:03 -0700654_iso-8859-1 Actually- I heard a scathing report about the teacher's union which seems credible...about how they are now broke and borrowing more money for advertising against Schwarzie--to promote lies about his budget, etc..and how they are assessing special debts to the members again ( adding three years of special assessments) in order to pay for this advertising ( something on the order of 60 million dollars!) while also questioning the credibility fo getting more teachers out to vote, since a good many are for the propositions they are advertising against.... (while complaining the students have no textbooks!)..How much would 60 million [...] 34884 447 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:59:23 -0700496_iso-8859-1 He signed the bill that lets me drive my hybrid car in the car pool lane (course it took GW another 10 months to sign the Federal bill that finally let it happen). This is proof of the adage about there being a little bit of good in everybody.

Sharon









Batel Libes Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/11/2005 08:18 AM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [...] 35332 20 53_Re: Fw: another threat to Israel, but from California11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET31_Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:14:33 -0700576_us-ascii just think how much could have been purchased with the money it is taking to launch the special elections. The teachers' union has been one of the primary targets of this governor. I would examine carefully the source of the report you are talking about.

Batel

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The question of what an assessment might have paid for had it not been spent on advertising is a red herring. Even if Sue is correct that teachers are being assessed for their union's political activities, its not like their money would otherwise go into textbooks. Teachers already spend plenty of their own money on classroom [...] 35919 63 6_Hybrid8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:47:50 +0200431_us-ascii Sharon, I think I remember you mentioning that you drive a hybrid car. Do you mind telling me what model it is?

Jon

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Thanks,

Noam

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Well worth reading.

Steve



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He uses it to commute between Chevy Chase, Maryland, and Baltimore 4 days a week and between Chevy Chase and DC 1 day. He may also use it to drive to the Eastern shore of Maryland, but I don't think he drives it for longer distances. [...] 36089 19 7_kumsitz19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:35:30 -0500536_us-ascii i am looking forward to the kumsitz and i hope you are, too. it has been suggested that anyone who has a copy of "Rise up Singing" or the new version bring it along. Don't forget instruments and potluck food. see you then, lisa

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I figure from reading it that by the time the French realise they have lost their country, it will be

too late for them to do anything about it but watch it happen.

Who knows? Perhaps they can be useful as a bad example. [...] 36198 74 18_Kumsitz Directions13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:49:40 -0400424_us-ascii Dear Chevreh--

Here are directions to the kumsitz:

Take 495 (The Beltway) to Exit 39--River Rd. Go towards Potomac. At Seven Locks Rd (which is the 1st or 2nd light, depending which way you were going on the Beltway), turn left. Take the first right at Lilly Stone. Go to the end and turn right on Persimmon Tree Lane. The synagogue is almost immediately on your right. 7727 Persimmon Tree Lane. [...] 36273 132 10_Re: Hybrid0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:53:10 -0700537_us-ascii I drive a Honda Civic hybrid, and I love it. David's description of using gas for highway and electric for city may be somewhat true for a Toyota Prius, but is not very accurate for a Civic hybrid. My car gets better mileage in highway driving and I believe this is true in general for Civic hybrids. I'm getting about 52 mpg highway and about 48 city (these are estimates because most tanks of gas have both kinds of driving). It gives me a range of over 600 miles on a 12+-gallon tank, which is REALLY nice. I filled the [...] 36406 54 15_kaparot revenge16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:01:04 -0400430_us-ascii



http://www.e-dologic.co.il/kapara/



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Marc

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>From: Marc Hershkowitz >Date: Fri Oct 14 14:10:23 CDT 2005 >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: Re: HABONET Digest - 11 Oct 2005 to 13 Oct 2005 (#2005-284)

>Just wondering what the "children" population will look like on Saturday >night? I was planning to bring my five and half year old son (he's >extremely into music!). > >Marc > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, >a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and >an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > >To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 36613 126 10_Re: Hybrid12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:43:57 -0700541_iso-8859-1 Sharon- Kol HaKavod-- If I am still in America, that will be my next car! My kids have Hondas and swear by them...sue --- Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV wrote:

> I drive a Honda Civic hybrid, and I love it. > David's description of using > gas for highway and electric for city may be > somewhat true for a Toyota > Prius, but is not very accurate for a Civic hybrid. > My car gets better > mileage in highway driving and I believe this is > true in general for Civic > hybrids. I'm getting about 52 mpg highway and about [...] 36740 50 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 11 Oct 2005 to 13 Oct 2005 (#2005-284)0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Sun, 16 Oct 2005 03:41:04 EDT297_US-ASCII So those of us who didn't get down to Washington area are eagerly awaiting a kumsitz report from tonight's gathering - how many attended - what was the age range - from how many different machanot - how long did it go, what kind of mix of songs (Hebrew, Engish, folk, makhela, )etc. [...] 36791 103 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 11 Oct 2005 to 13 Oct 2005 (#2005-284)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:56:02 +0000522_- Many turned out, unofficial count would be 200 to 250

Age ranged from very young (under ten) to 60's, 70's and maybe older?

Singing went on til after 10:30, tho I don't think the singing was all that good, people seemed more interested to catch up with old friends, which is natural. Songs were varied with hebrew makalah stuff and american folk, singer/songwriter stuff and I only witnessed one knife fight between the folk contingent and the hebrew contingent which ended when Bernardo killed Riff. [...] 36895 311 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 14 Oct 2005 to 15 Oct 2005 (#2005-286)0_16_JoshCTRS@AOL.COM29_Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:08:19 EDT514_US-ASCII

In a message dated 10/15/2005 11:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, LISTSERV@SHAMASH.ORG writes:

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Topics of the day:

1. Hybrid

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One Rosh Hashanah morning, the rabbi noticed little David was staring up at the large plaque that hung in the foyer of the synagogue. It was covered with names, and small American flags were mounted on either side of it. The seven-year-old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the rabbi walked up, stood beside the boy and said quietly, "Good morning, David". "Good morning, Rabbi", replied the young man, still focused on the plaque. "Rabbi, what is this?" David asked. "Well, son, it's a memorial to all the young men and women who died in the [...] 37397 243 73_Fw: PA Media: Taking Credit for murder two days after accreditation in DC11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:17:49 -0700652_iso-8859-1

Passing this along without comment.

Steve



Subject: Fw: PA Media: Taking Credit for murder two days after accreditation in DC









DAVID BEDEIN BUREAU CHIEF ISRAEL RESOURCE NEWS AGENCY JERUSALEM, ISRAEL www.IsraelBehindTheNews.com tel.0547-222661

The Fateh-led Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) took credit for a drive by murder of two young women and a fourteen year old boy at a bus stop today just south of Bethlehem, at the Etzion junction which lies at the heart of 16 Jewish communities in the Etzion bloc of Israeli Jewish communities in the west bank. [...] 37641 27 12_Google treat15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM31_Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:41:48 -0400523_US-ASCII > 1- Go to Google www.google.com > > 2- Type in the word "Failure" > > 3- Instead of clicking "Google Search," click "I'm Feeling Lucky." > > 4- Giggle > > 5- Spread the word before the people at Google "fix" it. >

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"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag

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Noam

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There's more information on the subject than anybody probably wants, including a list of examples, here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googlebomb

David

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I'm trying to put my thoughts into some semblance of order after my cup-runneth-over excitement of Saturday evening’s kumzitz It’s hard because the occasion was replete with nostalgia sparked with reconnections . Educators are blessed by remembering a particularly apt notion or phrase they said decades ago. Equally they are appalled by florid, even flatulent words that come back to haunt them. I don't remember which workshop I told that in thinking of a [...] 38294 66 27_PHOTOS from Washington/Mosh11_Sam Bergman22_sambergman@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:19:29 -0400527_us-ascii I have posted a page of photos of the participants of the Washington/Mosh Kumsitz. My apologies in advance for bad or missed photos...

EVERYONE: please look and FILL IN THE MISSING NAMES-- when you do, the names immediately appear for everyone else to see. If we all do this, we'll know who was present -- there were so many generations and we haven't seen some of you for so long -- but there are over 100 pix of participants. (Sorry about missing most of the current Habo members, I shot mostly alumni.) [...] 38361 48 31_Re: PHOTOS from Washington/Mosh19_lfmarsh@verizon.net19_lfmarsh@VERIZON.NET31_Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:36:25 -0500651_ISO8859-1 can other people post their photos here, too? how can we do that?

lisa





>From: Sam Bergman >Date: Mon Oct 17 23:19:29 CDT 2005 >To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG >Subject: PHOTOS from Washington/Mosh

>I have posted a page of photos of theparticipants of >the Washington/Mosh Kumsitz. My apologies in advance >for bad or missed photos... > >EVERYONE: please look and FILL IN THE MISSING NAMES-- >when you do, the names immediately appear for everyone >else to see. If we all do this, we'll know who was >present -- there were so many generations and we haven't >seen some of you for so [...] 38410 44 31_Re: PHOTOS from Washington/Mosh20_Naomi Goldberg Honor18_naomijgh@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:20:17 -0700605_iso-8859-1 Kol ha-kavod, Sam! Even though I could not make it to the kumzitz, I enjoyed seeing the photos of people whose names take me back to Mosh in the 60s and 70s

Naomi Goldberg Honor



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The Mosh/Kumsitz photo page is an experiment in collaboration. I placed 110 photos of people with NO IDENTIFICATION and asked you all to click on photos and add/correct names and info about the people, which many of you did. Some of you missed that fine point and asked me to add/change info. Please go back to the page and let's see if we can, between us, identify everyone and provide info about everyone. (See the info by HOVERING YOUR MOUSE over a photo, enlarge photo and add/change information it by CLICKING on the photo.) [...] 38596 93 59_Re: HABONET Digest - 14 Oct 2005 to 15 Oct 2005 (#2005-286)0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:10:11 -0700557_us-ascii Because of the way Honda uses the electric motor assist, the Civic hybrid has more power and pick-up available than the non-hybrid Civic. The hybrid's gas-powered engine is sized smaller than the non-hybrid (for better fuel efficiency), and the electric kicks in when demand is high (climbing hills, passing, general pedal-to-the-metal occasions, etc.). I have driven Civics for many years (so maybe I'm a poor judge of power and pick-up), and the hybrid has more of both than any of my earlier Civics except the CRX that I drove for a while. [...] 38690 480 34_Re: Here is my latest contact info11_Sue Freeman19_sfreeman@CFL.RR.COM31_Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:46:16 -0400482_iso-8859-1 My Contact Info ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Skolnik To: Habonet Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 2:27 PM Subject: Here is my latest contact info



Habonet,

Here is my latest contact info for your records.

My new email address is: emskol@comcast.net

Martin



*If you want my contact info automatically updated in your address book or if you want to get your address book up-to-date, you should try Plaxo too. [...] 39171 85 32_Fw: Astronomy Pix Fantastic Site11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:30:49 -0700352_iso-8859-1 I thought long and hard about sharing this with you. It isn't political, it isn't Jewish, it doesn't fit any of the usual categories. It isn't even controversial. It is just one of the neatest sites you will ever come across.

If there is moaning or umbrage, please send it to me offline, as not to spoil the enjoyment of others. [...] 39257 19 31_Re: PHOTOS from Washington/Mosh8_cpristoo17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:16:51 -0400465_ISO-8859-1 And for me, chevre from the 50's. Way to go. Sorry I had to be elsewhere. Allan S. Pristoop

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Any thought of doing another??

Shana tova, Deborah (Meyer -- Moshava, 67-76)



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Hag sameach.

The timing of the kumsitz was poor this year. Saturday evening and Sunday I was busily working on my sukkah. A trip to Maryland just would not have fit in, but maybe next year...

Take care,

Naomi



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http://www.ameinu.net/DCKumsitz/mugshots.php

Sam

At 12:00 AM 10/21/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:20:38 +0200 > >Hey Sam, where is YOUR picture?? >Kol tuv, Trudy

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http://www.ameinu.net/DCKumsitz/mugshots.php

Sam

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===== Original Message From Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh ===== >There are two people in the fourth row who have >not been identified. Aren't they Maiman and >Barbara Cohen (Shlomo's brother and sister-in-law)? >Someone from Baltimore must know... > >http://www.ameinu.net/DCKumsitz/mugshots.php > >Sam > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The HABONET mailing list is hosted by >Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, >a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and >an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > >To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 39579 47 25_Three D.C. Memorial Sites12_amnon hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:46:34 +0200613_us-ascii Haverim/ot Because of time limitations on a previous visit to Washington I had to chose between the Holocaust Museum and the Vietnam Memorial. Since I had visited and studied at Jerusalem's Yad Va'Shem holocaust study center many times we chose the Vietnam War Memorial. It was easier to decide because I believe not only in the brotherhood of man/woman but in the universality of all who suffer . There was, I believe, an inseparable link between mass annihilation of Jews and Japanese victims at Auschwitz and Hiroshima. It is denial of the humanity the "the other." Genocide is the determination [...] 39627 81 29_Re: Three D.C. Memorial Sites16_Esther & Richard23_cohensteacy@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:46:44 -0400476_iso-8859-1 This is lovely. One point of clarification, though - it's the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, not the Vietnam War Memorial - an important distinction, particularly given the history of the memorial, and the lingering distaste for the war itself.

Esther Cohen Washington, DC

----- Original Message ----- From: "amnon hadary" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Three D.C. Memorial Sites [...] 39709 115 29_Re: Three D.C. Memorial Sites0_14_LHIAM1@AOL.COM29_Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:39:58 EDT425_US-ASCII Esther, Thank you for the distinction but probably all memorials, no matter their name, are memorials to the men and women of the war and never to the supposed driving forces that pitted one nation against another. Thank you for reminding us that it is never the war or even the victory that requires or deserves an imposing stone edifice but the souls of those who were tied to the leashes of the dogs of war. [...] 39825 55 29_Re: Three D.C. Memorial Sites0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:59:36 +0000548_- Not to make too fine a point of it, but I object to equating the Jewish (and Gypsy, homosexual, communist, Polish and other) victims of Auschwitz and the victims of Hiroshima. In their victimhood, I suppose, they are indeed united but in numerous other ways they are not. One group were the victims of mass, cold blooded, systematic murder the other, innocent (perhaps) victims of war. One was done in an attempt at genocides, the other to end a war. There was no attempt at the genocide of Japanese. The suggestion that there was is false. [...] 39881 101 29_Re: Three D.C. Memorial Sites12_amnon hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:26:36 +0200632_us-ascii Esther, Thanks for the very telling clarifying distinction. Amnon



>This is lovely. One point of clarification, though - it's the Vietnam >Veterans Memorial, not the Vietnam War Memorial - an important distinction, >particularly given the history of the memorial, and the lingering distaste >for the war itself.



Richard, Your distinction, too, is well taken up to a point. Where the US Hiroshima raid and the Nazi gas chambers at Auschwitz coincide is that the perpetrators decided to do the deed because a) they wanted to do it, b) they had the means, c) the victims were "hefker - in no [...] 39983 110 29_Re: Three D.C. Memorial Sites0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 24 Oct 2005 03:17:46 +0000600_- Perhaps there is something wrong with me but I am unable to check my response.

Amnon you are right, it was no accident that the Atomic bomb was not used in Europe, the Germans, Hungarians and Italians had surrendered before the bomb became operational. While I would never deny racism within the American government, I would deny that it was the primary reason for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There were plenty of other reasons. And while we didn't drop an Atomic bomb on Germany, the Western allies seemed to have few qualms about destroying Dresden with conventional [...] 40094 567 12_I am no poet0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:27:29 -0400341_us-ascii Each year the Rosh Ha'Shannah torah service gets me thinking. I've tried this year, after reading some modern poetry on the subject to put my own thoughts down. I'd very much appreciate anyone's comments and criticism from any perspective. (Now that's an open invitation, if I ever heard one). Anyway, I hope you enjoy. Dennis [...] 40662 39 15_I am not a poet0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:29:05 -0400447_us-ascii Just to get the ball rolling... altar is not spelled "alter" Dennis



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We've read about the bomber and her intentions of blowing up the hospital. This article focuses on the people that encourage atrocities such as this one to take place.

Steve









Her instructions from the Fatah-al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, who Wafa Samir Ibrahim al-Biss admitted during the interview, had dispatched her on her deadly mission, had been to detonate the bomb inside the hospital and to kill as many people (Jews) as she could, especially children. [...] 41317 137 34_Fw: People and Places of the world11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:19:03 -0700586_iso-8859-1

No need for passports, shots, luggage, or tickets. There's enough here for the nest few years!

Steve



Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Fwd: People and Places of the world







Note: forwarded message attached.

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I like this clip especially for the insight it may give about how a person (or a whole people) can delude themselves into thinking the most bizarre thoughts, with the most bizarre thought processes. I am sure this man has bought his own bu_sh__ and believes every word he is saying. Sad. [...] 41547 120 32_"Shotei Hanevua" to play in U.S.11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:56:11 -0500687_ISO-8859-1 Shotei Hanevua to tour U.S.





'Fools of Prophecy,' hot Israeli band, making first U.S. tour under sponsorship of pro-Israel group, Israel at Heart Ynetnews





Shotei Hanevua (The Fools of Prophecy), one of Israel’s most popular bands and winners of Israel’s Band of the Year Award, is marking its first American tour.





The band is scheduled to tour 11 college campuses throughout the country in an attempt to expose Israeli culture to American students and present a different image of Israel than the one the average college student encounters on campus (There will be one large concert in New York October [...] 41668 259 71_Fw: LOOK at this - anti-Semitic poem in childrens school book in the UK11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:07:57 -0700531_utf-8

Excellent example of "free speech" debate.

steve



Subject: Fw: LOOK at this - anti-Semitic poem in childrens school book in the UK







Anti-Semitic poem in children’s school book



By Jeremy Last European Jewish Press

http://www.ejpress.org/article/news/3663 Updated: 16/Oct/2005 20:04

A poem which praises the murder of Jews by the Nazis has been included in a book of children’s poetry to be distributed amongst schools in the UK. [...] 41928 108 9_Fw: syria11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:43:53 -0700320_iso-8859-1 If you've ever been curious as to how low and how stupid and how nefarious people can stoop, you must see this skit, put on by Arabs dressed as Jews. When the "Jews" give their final toast to world domination, they lift their glasses, but do not say "L'Hayim!". Dead giveaway. Entertainment at its best. [...] 42037 195 70_Fw: spreading influence of Palestinian Christians and their Jew-hatred11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:50:09 -0700556_iso-8859-1

It saddens even to send this onward. . .

Steve



Subject: spreading influence of Palestinian Christians and their Jew-hatred





a.. Old Prejudices Revived (at Sabeel Conferences)

Blood Libel Cartoon By Roz Rothstein FrontPageMagazine.com October 24, 2005

Throughout October, a largely unseen wave of anti- Semitism has been washing up across North America in a series of conferences run by a Jerusalem-based organization called the Sabeel Ecumenical Liberation Theology Center. [...] 42233 80 27_[Fwd: olive workers needed]21_brian@cooperspace.net21_brian@COOPERSPACE.NET31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:05:25 -0400401_ISO-8859-1 Dear Habonet, My good friend Dani Livney, a member of Kibbutz Gezer, is looking for volunteers to help out in the olive harvest. He asked me to post the message below to Habonet. Please read! If you are interested, please get in touch with Dani - his contact info is at the bottom of the message. I guarantee you will have a great time, work hard, and learn a lot. You won't be sorry! [...] 42314 38 21_change e-mail address0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:42:07 -0400444_us-ascii please forward the web address or instructions on how I change the e-mail address to which my Habonet mail comes. Thanks, Dennis Lerner

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 42353 171 32_On not Hating Arabs by Abba Oren12_amnon hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:44:51 +0200414_us-ascii Haverim/ot Abba Oren was my pen name after Oren fell on October 24, 1973 on the last day of the Yom Kippur War. The following is a reprint of an article I wrote in 1978 on his fifth Yom Hashana.

Abba Oren was my pen name after Oren fell on October 24, 1973 on the last day of the Yom Kippur War. The following is a reprint of an article in Forum that I wrote in 1978 on his fifth Yom Hashana. [...] 42525 348 77_Fw: "Israel should be 'wiped off the map" says Iran By Gareth Smyth in Tehran11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:51:43 -0700378_iso-8859-1 There is a comment at the end of the article that I find little fault with. I think that to wait beyond this point would constitute a desire for national suicide.

We will be in Israel in December for a wedding. We'll let you know what happens.

Steve



Subject: "Israel should be 'wiped off the map" says Iran By Gareth Smyth in Tehran [...] 42874 726 58_Fw: Powerful New Documentary Exposes European Antisemitism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:22:50 -0700573_iso-8859-1 Untitled Document Though I am sending a donation to the Center, I think a film of this sort only shows the obvious; that Europe is once again providing a bed for hate against the Jews. This is not going to prevent that or slow it. Islamists and Nazis. What a colorful combination! A better idea might be to create a film that shows Europe of 2025 in which Arabic is the dominant language and it is the Christians that are now being oppressed. Mosques where churches once stood. Street signs in beautiful, flowing Arab script, and the language police (which [...] 43601 29 16_national suicide11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:24:20 -0400364_- Hi Steve,

I'm puzzled about a few things, and I'm trying not to overreact to your note. Hopefully you can clarify a few points to allay my concerns.

Where exactly do you propose to test the alleged weapon? Is there a way to ensure it lands on the ayatolahs and the new president of Iran and not on hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? [...] 43631 83 20_Re: national suicide11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:02:20 -0700517_iso-8859-1 Noam

I appreciate your measured tone, as it would have been easy to criticise the bellicose (and simplistic) way I put my feelings out on this matter.

I don't really know what your concerns on this matter are; You only spoke of your concerns for innocents in Iraq, but I have to guess you have broader concerns. So do I. I would compare it to the concerns I had in the early eighties, when the reactor was being constructed in Iraq, but multiply the concerns by a factor of one hundred. [...] 43715 259 36_Re: On not Hating Arabs by Abba Oren12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:46:46 -0700593_iso-8859-1 I have found myself in a cosistant conflict in the question of "being normal"; my ZIonist education was based in "The Zionist Idea" and Hans Kohn's "Nationalism"- which instructed us that to be normal was to have our own "nationalism."- But at the same time, our history and religious blood flowed with such prayers as "Aleinu" ( shelo asanu k'goyei ha'aratzot")-- etc etc..... I have - in my own old age- come to the conclusion that we can never be "normal"- mainly because of the exterior pressures placed on US being "hated"-- Just note the recent statements by the Iranian [...] 43975 38 20_Re: national suicide11_Noam Stopak21_nstopak@STARPOWER.NET31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:13:20 -0400379_- Steve,

Your post, to which I replied, stated that you found little fault with Harry's comment at the end which said

"( * Note: It strikes us that this would be an ideal time for Israel to test its (alleged!) supply of nuclear weapons, and Iran would be the perfect place to do it. This would be a huge service to the rest of the rest of mankind !!! harry )" [...] 44014 161 17_OK, WE GIVE UP...8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:17:59 +0200386_us-ascii Israel Dismantles; World's Problems End



Persistent rhetoric coming from concerned progressive critics worldwide has finally convinced Israeli officials that the state of Israel has no moral right to exist. "That's it," Prime Minister Ariel Sharon explained at a press conference. "We are dismantling the Nation of Israel. I'm leaving for Poland next week." [...] 44176 58 19_On not Hating Arabs12_amnon hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:06:28 +0200521_us-ascii Susie, To tell you the truth, after all the years of missing him and burnishing his image I don't know what Oren would be feeling.He hasn't been feeling anything for 32 years now. For the sake of integrity, if he would be feeling it ought to be in keeping with his image, not the one you and I and many many people who knew and loved him in his varied manifestions now impute to him. So I admit that wondering about his thoughts is really a conceit (as in an elaborate poetic image or a far-fetched image.) [...] 44235 224 36_Fw: Islam in American public schools11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:39:49 -0700335_iso-8859-1

This is the scariest yet! The image of small, impressionable children sitting in a classroom sucking up Islamist material frightens me to death. I have seen children small enough to require carseats for travel- in Nazi uniforms and in hoods and sheets yelling "White Power" and "Death to the Jews and Niggers". [...] 44460 560 71_Fw: Iranian President: This Stain of Disgrace [i.e. Israel] Will Vanish11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:11:32 -0700347_utf-8

I know this sounds like "more of the same", and if you've had enough of it, pass it by. Those that read onward will find a poetry beginning to form for the Islamic "mind", including the idea that if the Soviet Union rose and fell during "our short lifetimes" then surely Israel will be a piece of cake, or ideas to that effect. [...] 45021 1270 23_Fw: FW: Nobel Laureates11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:28:03 -0700597_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: Steve Klein Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Fw: FW: Nobel Laureates















Whenever I see this chart as it crops up, I think of several things:

"Oh great- another reason to hate us!"

I also muse with sadness on the wasted human resources, Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, Jain, Bahai- that were not given their opportunity to share their genius and thought to mankind; the billions slaughtered by teaching hatred instead of love. [...] 46292 77 37_II Three D.C. Sites: The FDR MEMORIAL12_amnon hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:21:52 +0200543_us-ascii Haverot/im I had the good fortune to be born in Palestine which later, when I was 19, became the State of Israel, then one of the world's youngest democracies. A dramatic time.

In drama, timing is everything. When I was eight my family moved to the US. Roosevelt had just begun his second term and the country was deep into social unrest caused by one of capitalism's recurrent flaws, massive unemployment and actual hunger. His New Deal (based on an enlightened capitalism) may have kept the US from a social revolution. [...] 46370 45 25_Re: change e-mail address11_Sam Bergman22_sambergman@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:02:05 -0400464_us-ascii Dennis (and everyone else)...

Don't forget to change your email on the HabonimDrorFoundation website too: www.habonimdrorfoundation.org

Sam

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46416 272 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:11:37 +0000395_- Interesting that not one concreat example is given. What one person considers Islamist propaganda another may simply see as education so without real examples this is meaningless.

One of the complaints is that the text suffers from, "oversimplification of complex issues." As an ex-history teacher I can assure you this is true of every history textbook on every issue considered. [...] 46689 82 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:48:37 EDT493_US-ASCII In a message dated 10/29/2005 5:12:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes:

Besides, why get up in arms about what is taught in school, very few Americans are paying attention to what their taught in school anyway. A recent poll finds that only 15% of Americans believe in evolution.

This is a shocking failure of our education system. The enemies of evolution on the right are trying to make sure that evolution is not taught in the schools. [...] 46772 65 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:39:17 -0800391_iso-8859-1 Richard

A lot of what you say is true- and lamentable. However, the logic behind your arguments against investigation and vigilence baffles me. "Everything else is oversimplified" and "Nobody pays attention anyway" do not sound like persuasive reasons not to find out and do battle against Islamic propaganda. I don't want to end up later saying, "I was with stupid". [...] 46838 72 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:50:03 +0000442_- The problem, Steve, is that what you sent wasn't an investigation nor was it evidence, it was, rather, just an accusation, without, as I pointed out and you ignored, one example. My point about oversimplification was simply that history books used in grade school, middle school and high schools are all oversimplified and, therefore, the accusation that these books were oversimplifying the Middle East isn't really very significant. [...] 46911 141 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:30:43 -0800520_iso-8859-1 JTA did a year study and is publishing a three part iintense study of what they found- We have the whole series and are printing it in three parts + a side=bar in our paper- It is really scary- Suudi Arabia has a strong arm in this- and is "quietly" influencing the educational system by buying into reputable textbook publishers.Don't be fooled. You can try and be intellectual about it- but this is ot an "intellectual" fight- it is another form of terrorism using our own capitalistic tools..sue(sie) [...] 47053 148 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:19:26 +0000554_- It is downright Orwellian to claim that anything written in a textbook, or anywhere else for that matter, is a form of terrorism. Have words totally lost any meaning?!?! You are equating what may be biased textbooks to killing people?



> JTA did a year study and is publishing a three part > iintense study of what they found- We have the whole > series and are printing it in three parts + a side=bar > in our paper- It is really scary- Suudi Arabia has a > strong arm in this- and is "quietly" influencing the > educational system [...] 47202 35 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools14_Tova Silverman26_tovasilverman@NETSCAPE.NET31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:28:41 -0500434_iso-8859-1 rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote:

>It is downright Orwellian to claim that anything written in a textbook, or anywhere else for that matter, is a form of terrorism. Have words totally lost any meaning?!?! You are equating what may be biased textbooks to killing people?

DEAD ON! Voltaire said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!" (In French of course). [...] 47238 148 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:51:57 -0500592_us-ascii The content of textbooks isn't exactly "free speech" but it also isn't terrorism. Curriculum manipulation is an old tool. Many of us would like to control the content of textbooks but unless you have deep enough pockets to make your text available less expensively than others, it is difficult to do. Textbook adoption is big business. In most cases, a book needs to be adopted in Texas or California to make it economically and so their standards generally rule the market. With deep enough pockets, the Saudis could create an exception to that rule but it still would need to [...] 47387 134 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:35:08 -0800578_iso-8859-1 I am sorry if you didn't understand the seriousness of this- I will defend my right to call this a form of terrorism- it is sneaking into our own educational system a method for promoting fundamentalist Islam while denouncing Israel and stereotyping Jews--- the kind of propoganda that the kid form California accepted when he was lured into praying in a mosque- denouncing America, then going over to Afghanistan to train at an Al QUEDA camp. You can dismiss this if you want, and condemn me for my words, but people more intelligent than I have spent a lot of [...] 47522 417 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:56:35 -0500626_us-ascii I understand the seriousness of it. I am more than willing to call it propaganda, but it alone isn't terrorism. Judy



Sue Liberman wrote:

>I am sorry if you didn't understand the seriousness of >this- I will defend my right to call this a form of >terrorism- it is sneaking into our own educational >system a method for promoting fundamentalist Islam >while denouncing Israel and stereotyping Jews--- the >kind of propoganda that the kid form California >accepted when he was lured into praying in a mosque- >denouncing America, then going over to Afghanistan to >train at an Al QUEDA camp. [...] 47940 238 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:16:00 -0800573_iso-8859-1 This is a calculated attack on the minds of our children- it isn't just propoganda...sorry- I don't see it that way--sisoe

--- Judith Gelman wrote:

> I understand the seriousness of it. I am more than > willing to call it > propaganda, but it alone isn't terrorism. > Judy > > > Sue Liberman wrote: > > >I am sorry if you didn't understand the seriousness > of > >this- I will defend my right to call this a form of > >terrorism- it is sneaking into our own educational > >system a method for promoting fundamentalist Islam [...] 48179 247 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:10:01 +0000560_- There still hasn't been established, on this list anyway, what it is the complaint is about. I've spent a part of the afternoon and evening checking out on line what it is that is in these textbooks that are so dangerous. One of the textbooks that is complained about I actually own (or at least appropriated from Baltimore City Public Schools) and noticed that, at least in a few cases, the text is misquoted in the complaint. At least one source of complaint I found at a number of different sites, claimed the text promoted Islam and was, in effect, [...] 48427 110 55_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools and other lies0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:36:14 EST616_US-ASCII In a message dated 10/31/2005 12:18:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes:

This is a calculated attack on the minds of our children- it isn't just propoganda...sorry- I don't see it that way-



The calculated attack for the minds of our children is called intelligent design. This is an attempt to take Evolution and put on the same level as a phony theory called "Intelligent Design." It is an attempt to bring "God" in to the public school and indoctrinate kids with phony science. This to me is a big deal in particular because we have one supporter of this [...] 48538 237 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:29:16 -0800564_iso-8859-1 Richard- I will post the entire three part series on Habonet- although I may get in trouble for that- then you can see what all of the hoopla is about- sue

--- rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote:

> There still hasn't been established, on this list > anyway, what it is the complaint is about. I've > spent a part of the afternoon and evening checking > out on line what it is that is in these textbooks > that are so dangerous. One of the textbooks that is > complained about I actually own (or at least > appropriated from Baltimore City [...] 48776 229 17_Fw: Did You Know?11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:09:15 -0800510_iso-8859-1

I got this in my e-mail. Any of it true?

Steve















DID YOU KNOW THIS?

Did you know that 47 countries have reestablished their embassies in Iraq?

Did you know that the Iraqi current government employs 1.2 million Iraqi people?

Did you know that 3100 schools have been renovated, 364 schools are under rehabilitation, 263 schools are now under construction and 38 new schools have been built in Iraq? [...] 49006 262 74_Fw: Suicide Bomber's hometown celebrates Hadera attack=?iso-8859-1?Q?=A0?=11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:22:18 -0800577_iso-8859-1

It's with sadness I pass this along.

Steve



Subject: Suicide Bomber's hometown celebrates Hadera attack











Bomber's hometown celebrates attack Khaled Abu Toameh

THE JERUSALEM POST Oct. 27, 2005 www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1129540616943&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Kabatiya, south of Jenin, Wednesday night to celebrate the suicide bombing in Hadera, which was carried out by local resident Hassan Abu Zeid. [...] 49269 156 27_Fw: Fw: FW: Nobel Laureates11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:48:22 -0800583_iso-8859-1

Sam

Since you took our discussion public, I thought I'd at least provide the original discussion between me and you. For those that need a bit of help, I need to make it clear that I do not subscribe to any one framework of thought. Not Pat Robertson's, not George Bush's, not Noam Chomsky's, not Grace Metalious's. I am not advocating anyone's religious idea of Intelligent Design. I merely tried to say that I see little harm in looking for intelligent design, little i, little d, though I have little faith (may I use the word faith?) that we could [...] 49426 638 52_JTA series- Part 1- Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:30:21 -0800335_iso-8859-1 For anyone interested- I am attaching the series in three separate emails ( they are long)- but worth reading- sue Editor’s note: The following article is the first in a three-part series focusing on the problems idiginous in the teaching of the Middle East, its history and culture, to our children in public schools. [...] 50065 357 19_JTA series- Part 2-12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:33:02 -0800637_iso-8859-1 TAINTED TEACHINGS What textbooks have to say about Israel, America and Islam JTA Staff Report

NEW YORK, Oct. 23 (JTA) -- The state of California is on the brink of a major election that involves neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Clint Eastwood. The candidates are textbooks and other teaching materials that will influence what schoolchildren across the state -- and across the United States -- will learn for more than a decade. With a debate under way over evolution and intelligent design in science textbooks, a less-publicized battle is being waged over the content of social studies and history materials -- [...] 50423 270 19_JTA series- Part 3-12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:41:01 -0800667_iso-8859-1







TAINTED TEACHINGS What teachers are learning about Islam, Israel and the Mideast By JTA Staff Report

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (JTA) -- Chairs are lined up in neat rows. Coffee is brewing, muffins arrayed. The table is thick with handouts. One of them is Saudi Aramco World, a magazine published by Aramco, the Saudi government-owned outfit that is the largest oil company in the world. ``The Arab World in the Classroom," published by Georgetown University, thanks Saudi Aramco on its back cover. Alongside it is the brochure of The Mosaic Foundation, an organization of spouses of Arab ambassadors in America, whose [...] 50694 542 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:06:43 -0800563_us-ascii I believe it is far better to fight propaganda by teaching our children (and ourselves) to think, rather than by trying to keep propagande out of their hands. Even if all the textbooks used in every school were completely unbiased (an impossibility, of course), there would still be venues such as the Internet. If people (and that includes children) do not know how to think and evaluate what they read or hear, then they have no way of discerning between propaganda and information. I believe we see evidence of this on our own Habonet sometimes. [...] 51237 531 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:02:18 -0800551_us-ascii PLEASE post a link, not the whole thing.

Sharon









Sue Liberman Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 10/31/2005 07:29 AM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh



To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG cc: Subject: Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools



Richard- I will post the entire three part series on Habonet- although I may get in trouble for that- then you can see what all of the hoopla is about- sue [...] 51769 108 25_Re: change e-mail address0_18_dlerner569@AOL.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:06:19 -0500353_us-ascii Sam, Years ago my aptitude tests told me avoid anything clerical. Little did I realize then the world was controlled by the clerical interests. I went to the foundation webpage very interesting, but I don't see how I change my e-mail address. I want to shed my monthly AOL bill which I've been keeping only for the sake of Habonet. Dennis [...] 51878 286 23_Fw: JTA series- Part 3-11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:53:54 -0800600_iso-8859-1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: JTA series- Part 3-



> > > > > TAINTED TEACHINGS > What teachers are learning > about Islam, Israel and the Mideast > By JTA Staff Report > > WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (JTA) -- Chairs are lined up > in neat rows. > Coffee is brewing, muffins arrayed. The table is thick > with handouts. > One of them is Saudi Aramco World, a magazine > published by > Aramco, the Saudi government-owned outfit that is the > largest oil company [...] 52165 247 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:59:17 -0800593_iso-8859-1 Firstly, I could not post a link since these were sent to us ( a newspaper) for our own publications ( we pay for these)..Secondly, I am not too worried about our own children, but rather those whose parents are not an integral influence and part of their intellectual studies and pursuits...remember- these are for textbooks for all of America ( but, of course, approved by state educational systems)..which includes a lot f kids who are sucked in by the propoganda....and may include a neighbor or someone who, looking for something to which to belong- as we did in Habonim- [...] 52413 661 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:05:57 -0800578_iso-8859-1 Yes, Sharon, it is good to teach our children to think. Those of us that have had experience with teaching children know how malleable and impressionable they are, up to a very late age in development. That is the reason they were so easily exploitable by the Catholic priests. That is why they made up and told horrific lies when giving testimony at the McMartin trials (Sunday LA Times). I have seen toddlers in KKK robes and infants in SS uniform. We have all been witness to children strapping explosives on their bodies to gleefully blow up other children. [...] 53075 109 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:11:36 EST484_US-ASCII



In a message dated 10/31/05 1:00:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes:

Firstly, I could not post a link since these were sent to us ( a newspaper) for our own publications ( we pay for these)..





This was sent from the JTA. Anyone can get their daily briefings AT NO COST. Try _www.jta.org_ (http://www.jta.org) . If it's to be reprinted as in your paper, Susie, I guess it would cost the paper something. [...] 53185 84 40_Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:42:03 -0800386_iso-8859-1 Soory Deb- you won't convince me this time--This kind of manipulation is akin to providing the powder and nails needed to blow up people...It isn't "simple propoganda"- propoganda is basically static- it can be "inhaled" or not; but teaching text is active, and it ingrains ideas into the minds of children who are vulnerable; and YOU TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THIS!!! [...] 53270 82 43_PS-Re: Fw: Islam in American public schools12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:44:24 -0800553_iso-8859-1 and yes- while anyone can go to JTA and read- you don' t have permission to reprint articles; we also get other ones which are not on the website but emailed directly to us, along with coop artilces form other papers--We don't just "copy and paste"--sue

--- DebALev@AOL.COM wrote:

> > > In a message dated 10/31/05 1:00:07 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes: > > Firstly, I could not post a link since these were > sent > to us ( a newspaper) for our own publications ( we > pay > for these).. > > > [...]