1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet May 2005 2 63 30_Yom Hashoah documentary on MTV11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Sun, 1 May 2005 08:25:21 -0500613_us-ascii MTV: Music Television will commemorate the > anniversary of the end of > the > Holocaust with one-hour documentary I'm Still Here, > set to debut > Wednesday, > May 4 at 8 p.m. (EST/PST). > > http://www.mtv.com/onair/schedule/index.jhtml?date=20050504&time=18&submit=Go# > > The film "brings to life the diaries of young people > who witnessed > first-hand the horrors of the Holocaust" with > archival footage, > personal > photos and text from the diaries themselves, the > network said. > > I'm Still Here is narrated by MTV News' John Norris, > with a special > introduction from Zach Braff and [...] 66 23 34_Re: Yom Hashoah documentary on MTV12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Sun, 1 May 2005 13:57:56 -0400481_us-ascii Oy vey! An MTV documentary about the Shoah? I wonder what Mariah, Britney, and Xtina will say?!?

Isn't that one of the signs that the Messiah is coming?

David

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Amnon



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MTV: Music Television will commemorate the > anniversary of the end of > the > Holocaust with one-hour documentary I'm Still Here, > set to debut > Wednesday, > May 4 at 8 p.m. (EST/PST). > > http://www.mtv.com/onair/schedule/index.jhtml?date=20050504&time=18&submit=Go# > > The film "brings to life the diaries of young people > who witnessed > first-hand the horrors of the Holocaust" with > archival footage, > personal > photos and text from [...] 198 19 27_Yom Hashoah MTV documentary11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Mon, 2 May 2005 09:37:24 -0500418_us-ascii To all you naysayers, Do not judge a book only by its cover. After the show, if you have seen it, then judge.

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The Haifa and Bar-Ilan Boycott

By Fania Oz-Salzburger May 2, 2005; Page A18



On the eve of Passover, the British Association of University Teachers (AUT) took a decision to boycott two of Israel's eight universities -- Haifa and Bar Ilan -- for their alleged collusion with the Israeli government in its mistreatment of the Palestinians. Haifa was also accused of curbing academic freedom. This decision is breathtaking, and will surely feature in the annals of the European radical left and its perverse contribution to peace in the Middle East. [...] 823 102 58_Re: Fw: Iran Freedom Foundation Ad Rejected by TV Stations0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Mon, 2 May 2005 07:42:17 -0700672_us-ascii I hate to break it to you, Sam, but we're all going to die anyway ;-{

Sharon







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In a message dated 4/27/2005 5:15:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes: I am sending this along ONLY to help us keep pace with the influence of fear in shaping our daily lives. I doubt that this is the worst of it or the last of it. [...] 926 311 44_Fw: Sugihara documentary to air May 5 on PBS5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 2 May 2005 09:51:56 -0700431_iso-8859-1 I saw this at an early showing. No to be missed!

Steve



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----- Original Message ----- From: VisasForLife@cs.com To: VisasForLife@cs.com Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Sugihara documentary to air May 5 on PBS [...] 1238 134 35_Fw: FW: the lower Gallile [Israel ]5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 2 May 2005 09:48:45 -0700423_iso-8859-1 Subject: Fwd: FW: the lower Gallile [Israel ]







Note: forwarded message attached.

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1373 20 11_Re: Oy vey!11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@EARTHLINK.NET30_Mon, 2 May 2005 10:20:53 -0700448_us-ascii I'm actually impressed that MTV even knew of this date, recognized its importance and took the time to put something together.

Batel

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You are absolutely right, Roz. I hope that everybody knows that my comments were meant as a joke.

As you suggested, I intend to record the program and watch it later. I do hope that the program is deeper than the typical MTV fare (e.g., Cribs), but that's not a very high bar. [...] 1421 24 11_Re: Oy vey!12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Mon, 2 May 2005 14:19:08 -0400516_us-ascii > I'm actually impressed that MTV even knew of this date, > recognized its importance and took the time to put > something together.

Why are you surprised? Don't we control the media? ;-)

David

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At 06:00 03/05/2005, you wrote:

>To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG >Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 14:27:39 -0400 >From: David Fleiss >Subject: Re: Yom Hashoah MTV documentary >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > To all you naysayers, > > Do not judge a book only by its cover. > > After the show, if you have seen it, then judge. > >You are absolutely right, Roz. [...] 1486 2567 70_Fw: The Royal Court Theatre, the Guardian backing pro-Hamas production5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 3 May 2005 11:28:20 -0700493_iso-8859-1 I guess there is no way to stop even a piece of one-sided anti-Israel propaganda, but it would be a shame if this were allowed forward unchallenged.

Rachel Corrie's real story may not come out as touchy-feely as the haters would like us to believe, but the damage will still be done. These guys are aiming at the heart, and not the brain. Once again, dead Jews will not stir the emotions in the same way as an addled, adrenalin-crazed (and dead) "freedom fighter" will. [...] 4054 349 53_Fw: United States worried more about horses than Jews5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 3 May 2005 11:41:12 -0700567_Windows-1252 My dad was a great Roosevelt-lover and cried openly when he died.

Steve

Subject: United States worried more about horses than Jews



j. United States worried more about horses than Jews by rafael medoff

Sixty years ago, Gen. George S. Patton ordered U.S. troops to attack a German position in Hostau, Czechoslovakia, to rescue 150 innocent prisoners. The prisoners for whom Patton was willing to risk his soldiers’ lives were not, however, Jewish refugees or other innocent hostages of the Nazis. They were horses. [...] 4404 55 29_Aliyah to kibbutz in the news11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 3 May 2005 18:33:49 -0400632_us-ascii Thought many chevreh would be interested in this article. Judy Gelman

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1115086698103

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A flashy slate of stars and starlets - Elijah Wood, Ryan Gosling, Kate Hudson, Brittany Murphy, Amber Tamblyn, Joaquin Phoenix - grows hushed while reading the diaries of young witnesses to the Holocaust in "I'm Still Here," an inventive and inspired documentary that appears tonight on MTV. [...] 4578 150 66_[QUAR]Freedom and Justice in the Modern Middle east/ Bernard Lewis11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Wed, 4 May 2005 10:28:25 -0500692_us-ascii Freedom and Justice in the Modern Middle East By Bernard Lewis From Foreign Affairs, May/June 2005





-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary: To speak of dictatorship as being the immemorial way of doing things in the Middle East is simply untrue. It shows ignorance of the Arab past, contempt for the Arab present, and lack of concern for the Arab future. Creating a democratic political and social order in Iraq or elsewhere in the region will not be easy. But it is possible, and there are increasing signs that it has already begun. Bernard Lewis is Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern [...] 4729 66 36_(Lengthy) article on Arab Dispersion5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 09:10:41 -0700533_iso-8859-1

Benny Morris's Reign of Error, Revisited The Post-Zionist Critique by Efraim Karsh Middle East Quarterly Spring 2005 http://www.meforum.org/article/711

The collapse and dispersion of Palestine's Arab society

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Guys

Please help and send this along to everyone you know.

Steve



Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:18 PM Subject: Do you recognize this child?]







Do you recognize this child? This little girl is at the et Hospital in Thailand. She does not remember her own name or anything! She has lost her parents. She must be of Western origin. She was a victim when she got caught in the tidal wavedisaster in et, Thailand and nobody knows who she is, so we are hoping if we Distribute this email around the world someone will know her. Please don't break [...] 6823 79 44_Fw: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 09:28:35 -0700479_Windows-1252

Some of you are going to like this; some, of course, will hate it. Too good not to send along.

Steve



Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more



Whoever he is, Pappas writes with real insight. I attached his review of David Horowitz' book “Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left.” Pappas' comments alone is worth the read. I think he's hit the mark on the relationship of the left and Islam. [...] 6903 71 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 12:44:49 -0400562_us-ascii I love it: short, gets right to the point, and utterly devoid of context. I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one, Steve.

David

>Some of you are going to like this; some, of course, will hate it. Too >good not to send along. > >Steve > > >Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more > >Whoever he is, Pappas writes with real insight. I attached his review of >David Horowitz' book "Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American >Left." Pappas' comments alone is worth the read. I think he's hit the mark [...] 6975 42 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 12:47:42 -0400524_us-ascii PS - Who is Pappas and why should I care what he thinks about David Horowitz's book? And if, for some strange reason, I should care, what exactly is Pappas and why should I care what he thinks about David Horowitz's book?

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PS - Who is Pappas and why should I care what he thinks about David Horowitz's book? And if, for some strange reason, I should care, what exactly is Pappas's opinion of David Horowitz's book?

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This picture looks like the child had a recent trauma. If it were from the tsunami, that was 4 months ago. Most of the Western children separated from their parents were Swedish and German and were identified by relatives. This child may have lost her memory but she is old enough to speak and so her primary language could be assessed and made know, thus narrowing the search from "the West" to one or more specific countries. . [...] 7152 533 73_Daniel Gordis on disengagment, Zionism and all the rest - worthwhile read0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 13:31:27 -0400326_utf-8 Someone (Roz?) often posts Daniel Gordis' musings on life in Israel. I think this one very effectively touches upon the pain and necessity of the disengagement from a particularly Israeli point of view. He also answers his son's question of "what will be left" after Israel leaves most of the occupied territories. [...] 7686 109 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 13:32:32 -0400550_us-ascii Dear David,

Jason Pappas says he is an amateur Objectivist (ie Ayn Rand fan)--not exactly a Labor Zionist way of looking at the world. Mr Pappas has a blog and sends out reams of commentary on his blog and on various sites He says he is in finance but that philosophy is his passion. I hope for his sake he is a better financier than a philosopher. As a devoted Capitalist (selfishness and self-interest being at the heart of the Objectivist creed), I would think that he would try to see if he can sell his material in order to [...] 7796 129 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 10:36:43 -0700355_iso-8859-1 David

I apologise. I also don't know who Pappas is, or why you should care. I picked this thing up from an ongoing exchange of ideas, and should have eliminated Pappas from the mix. I was sending it along for the article. I will try to find out who Pappas is, and if successful (and if it is germaine), I will send it along to you. [...] 7926 177 37_Re: Fw: Do you recognize this child?]5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 10:43:15 -0700289_iso-8859-1 Judy

In my mind, you are perfectly correct on every point, as those were my thoughts as I read the request. One caveat may be that she is silent, and they do not know what language she speaks. In that case, or so went my thinking, she could just as well be Israeli. [...] 8104 54 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 13:48:41 -0400345_us-ascii

>I believe that the David Horowitz in question, on the other hand, is a >respected journalist who edits The Jerusalem Report and makes a living >writing about the middle east and Israel.

I think you're mistaken. The David Horowitz in question is the former editor of Ramparts who makes a living denouncing leftists. [...] 8159 129 73_A different David Horowitz (was Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more)0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 13:53:21 -0400371_us-ascii Judy (and others):

Actually this David Horowitz is what is called a "lapsed leftist." He was the editor of Ramparts Magazine in the 60's, active in the New Left and became a neocon. He makes a living these days "exposing" the motives and actions of his former allies. Not that this isn't honest labor, but just good to know who we are talking about. [...] 8289 144 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 10:53:47 -0700374_iso-8859-1 Thank you.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: David Fleiss To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more



I love it: short, gets right to the point, and utterly devoid of context. I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one, Steve. [...] 8434 218 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more13_David Twersky23_dtwersky@AJCONGRESS.ORG30_Wed, 4 May 2005 13:54:35 -0400571_US-ASCII No this was from David Twersky, unless I'm wrong in which case it wasn't





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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of David Fleiss Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:49 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more





I believe that the David Horowitz in question, on the other hand, is a respected journalist who edits The Jerusalem Report and makes a living writing about the middle east and Israel. [...] 8653 34 56_Info relating to tonight's and tomorrow's programs on TV12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 11:10:04 -0700535_us-ascii JTA recently released a graph depicting percentages of people in various countries in their recognition of the places of Auschwitz, Dachau, and Treblinka....I tried sending the graph but it bounced back: The basic bottom line is the fact that while, in European countires (Sweden-(1%, Austria-88%, Poland, Germany & France, high 70s, and Great Britain, 53%) America came in at 44% recognition that these places were concentration/death camps...Just thought that was interesting in light of the shows on MTV and PBS...sue [...] 8688 190 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 11:12:23 -0700445_iso-8859-1 Judy

Once again thank you.

By the way, it's been almost 50 years since reading the Ayn Rand stuff. I hated it then. Every once in a while, I run into someone that has read it and been taken by it. Takes all kinds, I guess.

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more [...] 8879 528 44_Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more13_David Twersky23_dtwersky@AJCONGRESS.ORG30_Wed, 4 May 2005 14:18:39 -0400544_US-ASCII Actually Alan Grenspan was an avid follower, almost part of the inner circle around Rand during the years he dropped out of school and played in the Woody Herman jazz band along with Leonard Garment (later Richard Nixon's law partner and White House counsel).





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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:12 PM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: Leftist Propaganda: the New Lie and more [...] 9408 63 37_Re: Fw: Do you recognize this child?]0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM28_Wed, 4 May 2005 14:17:54 EDT628_US-ASCII Please, please PLEASE check these things out on snopes.com first.......

_http://www.snopes.com/photos/tsunami/lostgirl.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/photos/tsunami/lostgirl.asp)





"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag

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This particular picture had a lot of signs of being obsolete. In that case, it merited some investigation before it was shared. [...] 9607 71 33_Re: Aliyah to kibbutz in the news0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Wed, 4 May 2005 14:49:04 -0700621_us-ascii The article Judy posted contained the following:



"He added that although his family would be a part of the kibbutz community, using its facilities and taking part in kibbutz events, they would not be full members who are obliged to work in the kibbutz. This arrangement has been popular among many who have chosen to move to kibbutzim, says a spokesperson for the Kibbutz Movement. In April, it was reported that most of the secular families being evacuated from Gaza are expected to move to kibbutzim. In preliminary talks between the kibbutzim and those families, most of the settlers have [...] 9679 93 33_reply to Sharon re "not a member"13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Wed, 4 May 2005 17:35:01 -0700567_iso-8859-1 Sharon Replying to your question of what it means not to be a full member of a kibbutz. With the introduction of privatization, many members of kibbutzim pay for all the services that is provided for by the kibbutz, such as health, education, extra-curricular activities etc. Members also pay a municipal tax etc. This means that the chaver living on such a kibbutz and earning a decent salary, pockets most of it. For this he is assured of a kibbutz style of living. That is to say, in a non-polluted area and where his or her children are cared for [...] 9773 103 64_Re: Fw: Do you recognize this child?]--she's not lost anymore!!!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 21:58:19 -0700574_us-ascii Go to snopes- she is a German girl who lost her parents...As of January- she was in Germany with relatives recuperating from her ordeal...Sometimes someone should listen to DEB and check out SNOPES (www.snopes.com)--They clear up all of this myth stuff!==sue --- Steve wrote: > Judy > > In my mind, you are perfectly correct on every > point, as those were my thoughts as I read the > request. One caveat may be that she is silent, and > they do not know what language she speaks. In that > case, or so went my thinking, she could [...] 9877 104 64_Re: Fw: Do you recognize this child?]--she's not lost anymore!!!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 4 May 2005 21:58:19 -0700574_us-ascii Go to snopes- she is a German girl who lost her parents...As of January- she was in Germany with relatives recuperating from her ordeal...Sometimes someone should listen to DEB and check out SNOPES (www.snopes.com)--They clear up all of this myth stuff!==sue --- Steve wrote: > Judy > > In my mind, you are perfectly correct on every > point, as those were my thoughts as I read the > request. One caveat may be that she is silent, and > they do not know what language she speaks. In that > case, or so went my thinking, she could [...] 9982 134 12_OOOPS!-sorry12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 5 May 2005 07:23:57 -0700584_us-ascii Sorry my email came twice--computer glitch---sue --- Sue Liberman wrote: > Go to snopes- she is a German girl who lost her > parents...As of January- she was in Germany with > relatives recuperating from her ordeal...Sometimes > someone should listen to DEB and check out SNOPES > (www.snopes.com)--They clear up all of this myth > stuff!==sue > --- Steve wrote: > > Judy > > > > In my mind, you are perfectly correct on every > > point, as those were my thoughts as I read the > > request. One caveat may be that she [...] 10117 120 37_Re: reply to Sharon re "not a member"0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Thu, 5 May 2005 07:39:07 -0700750_us-ascii In Southern California, we call that a Homeowners' Association.

Sharon









moshe sheskin Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 05/04/2005 05:35 PM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh



To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG cc: Subject: reply to Sharon re "not a member"



Sharon Replying to your question of what it means not to be a full member of a kibbutz. With the introduction of privatization, many members of kibbutzim pay for all the services that is provided for by the kibbutz, such as health, education, extra-curricular activities etc. Members also pay a municipal tax etc. This means that the [...] 10238 436 37_Re: reply to Sharon re "not a member"13_David Twersky23_dtwersky@AJCONGRESS.ORG30_Thu, 5 May 2005 10:42:58 -0400663_US-ASCII Hey Sharon gates!





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From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:39 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: Re: reply to Sharon re "not a member"







In Southern California, we call that a Homeowners' Association.

Sharon











moshe sheskin Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh

05/04/2005 05:35 PM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [...] 10675 43 31_Re: Yom Hashoah MTV documentary12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Thu, 5 May 2005 17:57:42 -0400598_us-ascii >To all you naysayers, >Do not judge a book only by its cover. >After the show, if you have seen it, then judge.

Roz, you were 100% right. The documentary was exceptionally well done!

There was a bit of cognitive dissonance between the booty-shaking at 7:59 and the solemnity at 8:00, but it passed quickly. I thought the producers' approach of focusing on young people, as opposed to interviews with survivors, was a stroke of brilliance. It made the story of the Shoah come alive from a perspective that I don't remember seeing in any previous documentary, and I hope [...] 10719 94 31_Re: Yom Hashoah MTV documentary12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 5 May 2005 15:26:12 -0700588_us-ascii I ALSO FelT IT WAS AN AMAZINGLY WELL-DONE AND PERTINENT PROGRAM. I LOVED HOW IT FOCUSED ON THE YOUTH ASPECTS- AND- DURING TH EINTERMISSIONS-ADDED THE "THINK" WITH THE "I" (oops- sorry about caps) sticking out-I made a freind's 17-year-oldd daughetr watch- and she thanked me. The editing and voiceovers were perfect, and I felt it "talked to" the generation in an adult and mature, not "condescending" way. Just making the statements, as if living the times in the "now"- it was brilliant, and I think it would be nice to let MTV know how effective the program was, and how [...] 10814 26 51_Re: THE SUGIHARA DOCUMENTARY IN LOS ANGELES ON KCET12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Thu, 5 May 2005 15:43:22 -0700667_us-ascii The documentary will not air tonight- but on Sunday, May 15 at 10:ooPM - in Los Angeles. Apparently, the PBS stations are independent in their programming. It is premiering in other cities today.--Sue

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World Briefings

*

Published: May 6, 2005

MIDDLE EAST

GREEK ORTHODOX IN JERUSALEM BREAK WITH PATRIARCH Leaders of the Greek Orthodox Church in the Holy Land said they were cutting ties to Patriarch Eirinaios, who is accused of secretly selling church property in East Jerusalem to Jewish investors. The announcement by 13 bishops and 25 archmandrites said the patriarch was persona non grata, and while Eirinaios remains in his post for now, the move further isolates him. The patriarch has said he had no knowledge of two church buildings that were reportedly sold to the investors. But Palestinians and [...] 11011 5278 37_Fw: re San Francisco State University5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 6 May 2005 11:50:15 -0700798_utf-8

There is a lot here for the lovers and haters of America. Good article in any case.

Steve



Subject: re San Francisco State University







SFSU Hosts a Terrorist

By Lee Kaplan FrontPageMagazine.com | May 2, 2005 http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17915







Lynne Stewart



“Why can’t we get anyone but criminals to come here to SFSU and speak?” Robert Journey, treasurer of San Francisco State University College Republicans asked rhetorically as five members of the campus club met to attend a lecture by Lynne Stewart. The terrorist lawyer, who billed herself as a “Civil Rights Lawyer and Political Prisoner,” was recently convicted of conspiracy and [...] 16290 66 77_Re: Daniel Gordis on disengagment, Zionism and all the rest - worthwhile read0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 6 May 2005 21:55:00 EDT349_US-ASCII Ken. I read every word of this. It is an amazing piece. Thank you for posting it. To me, it is unbelievable that the things that get all the comment are something someone posts from some obscure blog and a piece like this is posted with almost no comment. I think I might just read it again. What a great piece of writing. How moving. [...] 16357 58 77_Re: Daniel Gordis on disengagment, Zionism and all the rest - worthwhile read11_Judy Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 6 May 2005 22:41:12 -0400460_us-ascii I too was very moved, so much so that I used a quote from this piece as a kavannah for a meeting I was chairing last night.

Judy





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--- Judy Gelman wrote: > I too was very moved, so much so that I used a > quote from this piece as > a kavannah for a meeting I was chairing last night. > > Judy > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish [...] 16469 64 77_Re: Daniel Gordis on disengagment, Zionism and all the rest - worthwhile read0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 7 May 2005 04:19:27 +0000538_- In my case, I didn't and couldn't comment on the piece because I don't have it. Would someone be kind enough to send me a copy please?

-------------- Original message --------------

Ken. I read every word of this. It is an amazing piece. Thank you for posting it. To me, it is unbelievable that the things that get all the comment are something someone posts from some obscure blog and a piece like this is posted with almost no comment. I think I might just read it again. What a great piece of writing. How moving. [...] 16534 128 0_12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sat, 7 May 2005 16:30:09 +0200604_iso-8859-1 This piece by Rabbi Jeremy Rosen is one of the uplifting messages that have come out of the sane, civilized and menshlich wing of the Orthodox movement recently. It strengthens the secular Tchernichovski sachki sachki naivete that was prevalent in the Yishuv and in Israel’s early years and is so needed today. The three Rosen brothers are a remarkable breed of humanistic rabbis: Jeremy, director of the Yakar Institute in London, David in Israel is International Dir. of the American Jewish Committee’s Interreligious Affairs, and Mickey is the director of Jerusalem’s Yakar institute. [...] 16663 460 27_Exodus Redux/ Daniel Gordis11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Sat, 7 May 2005 09:55:08 -0500401_ISO-8859-1 Pesach is one of those periods in Israeli life when it seems that everyone takes to the road and hikes, bikes or picnics in some part of the country. Maybe the Seder, and the image of the Israelites and their Exodus into the desert, is what gets everyone out. Or maybe, it's just the fact that people don't take the country for granted, and still love the rocks, the hills, the coast. [...] 17124 374 39_Fw: fyi at Wesleyan College--important!5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Sat, 7 May 2005 09:29:13 -0700676_iso-8859-1

More on the situation at our hallowed institutions of learning. It is hard to believe there are people (much less whole administrations) that defend this manner of academics.

Steve



Subject: fyi at Wesleyan College--important!





The Reign of Jane has Churchill Looking Sane

By Mike Adams Townhall.com | May 4, 2005

FrontPageMagazine

When I was in grammar school there was a kid on my block named David. He often tried to make others look like idiots by accusing them of saying things they never really said. For example, he used to lean over to people as if they were whispering something [...] 17499 257 38_Soviet Jewish Doctors Dissected Hitler16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Sat, 7 May 2005 13:21:01 -0400611_us-ascii

http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050506/39940317-print.html



SOVIET JEWISH DOCTORS DISSECTED HITLER

06/05/2005 13:47

MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti commentator Anatoly Korolyov). Stalin was the first person to publicly state that the war unleashed by Hitler had fundamentally altered the destiny of the Jewish people.

When speaking at a session of the Moscow City Soviet (Council) on November 6, 1941, Stalin said, "The reactionary Nazi Party with their brutal anti-Jewish pogroms are no better than the Russian tsarist regime that allowed the Black Hundred pogroms." [...] 17757 163 14_Company Policy0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Mon, 9 May 2005 11:03:01 EDT516_ISO-8859-1 This is classic human resource talk...

COMPANY POLICY TO ALL EMPLOYEES:

As a result of the reduction of money budgeted for department areas, we are forced to cut down on our number of personnel. Under this plan, older employees will be asked to take early retirement thus permitting the retention of younger people who represent our future. Therefore, a program to phase out older personnel by the end of the current fiscal year, via retirement, will be placed into effect immediately. [...] 17921 287 43_Fw: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 9 May 2005 10:33:57 -0700646_iso-8859-1

Sending this along

Steve



Subject: Fw: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument





----- Forwarded by Joyce Chernick/Hacienda on 05/08/2005 03:41 PM ----- SliwaNews@aol.com 05/08/2005 06:06 AM To SliwaNews@aol.com cc Subject Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument













Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument

Monument to fascism in central Pristina A memorial complex dedicated to the members of the notorious Skenderbeg SS Division, the Kosovo Regiment and the Albanian gendarmerie to be built on a surface of 1.5 hectares [...] 18209 427 90_Fw: [Freemanlist] Jackie Mason & Raoul Felder - Love Is Blind, Deaf,and Dumb (So Are Jews)5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 9 May 2005 10:38:02 -0700412_iso-8859-1

For your eyes

Steve



Subject: Fw: [Freemanlist] Jackie Mason & Raoul Felder - Love Is Blind, Deaf,and Dumb (So Are Jews)





----- Original Message ----- From: Freeman Center For Strategic Studies To: FREEMANLIST A Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: [Freemanlist] Jackie Mason & Raoul Felder - Love Is Blind, Deaf,and Dumb (So Are Jews) [...] 18637 53 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM30_Mon, 9 May 2005 17:53:10 -0400640_us-ascii

Dear Steve.

There is no question that the Albanians colaborated with the NAZI's during the Second World War and the the Palestineans were there to help recruit them. However, given the extremely strained relations betweeon Kosovars and Serbians at this time, one should be careful about posting things directly from the Serbian press without fact checking them. Let us remember that whatever the crimes of the Albanians and the Croats and some of the Bosnians during the WWII, in recent history it was often the Serbians who committed crimes. Those crimes were committed in Croatia, Bosnia and in Kosovo. Their [...] 18691 40 19_Israeli sentencing?0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 10 May 2005 10:58:09 +0000434_- Can someone explain the six months communitee service sentence of a rapist?

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/574687.html

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18732 231 25_TO AVI LYONS!!! URGENT!!!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 10 May 2005 09:15:06 -0700679_us-ascii AVI- PLEASE CALL ME AT WORK ( 818-786-4000) FROM 9-6 LA TIME,OR AT HOME, (818-996-9359) IN THE EVENING--VERY IMPORTANT---SUSIE



--- "Elihu D. Davison" wrote:

> > http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050506/39940317-print.html > > > SOVIET JEWISH DOCTORS DISSECTED HITLER > > 06/05/2005 13:47 > > MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti commentator Anatoly Korolyov). > Stalin was the first > person to publicly state that the war unleashed by > Hitler had > fundamentally altered the destiny of the Jewish > people. > > When speaking at a session of the Moscow City Soviet > (Council) on > November 6, 1941, Stalin said, "The reactionary Nazi [...] 18964 135 23_Re: Israeli sentencing?5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 10 May 2005 15:31:46 -0700368_iso-8859-1 Bizarre!

Richard, these people should be brought up on charges of abetting a serious crime. It is a mockery to a society that believes in any kind of justice or in protecting the weakest. If the soldier was so mentally delicate as to instill fear he might hurt himself, he should have been sent to intensive (and closed) mental hospitalisation. [...] 19100 193 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 10 May 2005 15:57:11 -0700338_iso-8859-1 Sam

Just out of curiosity;

You have so many good and edifying things to say and contribute. Why do you then go ahead and ruin it with the nasty stuff? ("Ripping it off the internet"). Who stepped on you when you were little? I am sorry that happened, if it did. Still, you need to let it go, for gosh sakes. [...] 19294 120 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 10 May 2005 19:06:10 -0400600_iso-8859-1 So it's ok when you put the nasty stuff in the middle?

Just curious how that does any one a service.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument



Sam

Just out of curiosity;

You have so many good and edifying things to say and contribute. Why do you then go ahead and ruin it with the nasty stuff? ("Ripping it off the internet"). Who stepped on you when you were little? I am sorry that happened, if it did. Still, you need to [...] 19415 125 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Tue, 10 May 2005 19:18:44 EDT622_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/10/2005 6:59:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM writes:



You have so many good and edifying things to say and contribute. Why do you then go ahead and ruin it with the nasty stuff? ("Ripping it off the internet").



Steve chill

I have supplied you with lots of good articles from the New York Times whose reliability is high. You seem to ignore real news and real crisis and focus on stuff that is unreliable. I gave you detailed information about the situation in the Balkans not from one article but from a long time of reading [...] 19541 110 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Tue, 10 May 2005 20:04:51 EDT569_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/10/2005 7:19:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Smfgrappa@AOL.COM writes:



You have so many good and edifying things to say and contribute. Why do you then go ahead and ruin it with the nasty stuff? ("Ripping it off the internet").





Steve, I am thinking about what I said. If you were offended I am sorry. I am not one of those who uses unfamiliar sources on the net to get my news and views. I happen to have read a lot about the wars in the Balkans and I try to keep up with what is happening there. [...] 19652 252 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 11 May 2005 08:50:42 EDT540_US-ASCII Steve:

Ok here is a good place to start. I checked out a couple of books.

_The Balkans: Nationalism, War & the Great Powers, 1804-1999_ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140233776/ref=sib_rdr_dp/102-5388580-6680964) by _Misha Glenny_ (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Misha%20Glenny/102-5388580-6680964)



The table of contents of this one looks good. I might get it myself.

Here are some interesting facts for you to know about the region. [...] 19905 22 21_Annual Kumsitz in NYC11_Sam Bergman22_sambergman@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 11 May 2005 09:57:35 -0400491_us-ascii Everyone on/near the East Coast: The annual KUMSITZ is approaching. Save the date: Saturday, June 4th at 7pm. For details, click--

http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/kumsitz

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Steve



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19993 397 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 11 May 2005 13:42:52 -0700564_iso-8859-1 Sam

I read your articles with interest and thank you for sending them to me. It is obviously a complex situation, and yes, you are correct; context is very important. The information you sent was good, but it is not everything, as who better than you knows we can never obtain the whole picture, nor fathom all the events. It is just impossible. Context? You would have to be alive and physically present at the time and place of the folding of the events to even have a chance at understanding what took place. Look at Ruby Ridge and Waco, [...] 20391 739 44_Fw: FRENCH SCHOOLS LURCH TOWARD ISLAMIZATION5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 11 May 2005 14:13:31 -0700462_iso-8859-1 For those of you that favor French, the link leads to the article in French.

The reference to Bat Ye'or is the person that described the rapid Islamization of Europe as a new entity described by her as "Eurabia".

Steve

Subject: Fw: FRENCH SCHOOLS LURCH TOWARD ISLAMIZATION















FOLLOW-UP REPORT ON ANTI-SEMITISM IN FRENCH SCHOOLS Just as Bat Ye'or warned in her book [...] 21131 83 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 11 May 2005 17:25:30 EDT324_US-ASCII

In a message dated 5/11/2005 4:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM writes:

Look at Ruby Ridge and Waco, as examples. So many stories, all of them true- and none of them true. When I sent the article onward, I didn't send it as a truth. I sent it as a piece of the puzzle. [...] 21215 150 43_Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 11 May 2005 14:59:29 -0700619_iso-8859-1 Sam

Thank you, and remain vigilent. I will do my best.

Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Kosovo Albanians to build Nazi monument



In a message dated 5/11/2005 4:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM writes: Look at Ruby Ridge and Waco, as examples. So many stories, all of them true- and none of them true. When I sent the article onward, I didn't send it as a truth. I sent it as a piece of the puzzle. Well yes. Look at Ruby Ridge and Waco and the way [...] 21366 44 25_Re: Annual Kumsitz in NYC14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 11 May 2005 15:59:00 -0700701_us-ascii Oh, my goodness! I will actually be in NYC that day!!! Wowie zowie! Jamie in NM --- Sam Bergman wrote: > Everyone on/near the East Coast: The annual > KUMSITZ is approaching. Save the date: > Saturday, June 4th at 7pm. For details, click-- > > http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/kumsitz > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, > http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: > HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > [...] 21411 53 27_What is the movement up to?0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Thu, 12 May 2005 09:01:52 -0400393_us-ascii

Folks:

Every now and then people here ask to hear more about the movement. If you follow this link, you can hear about some great (and much needed) work that is being done by the Habonim Dror sponsored Union of Progressive Zionists (UPZ) on campus. The report discusses a recent visit to U.S. campuses by Israel Labor Party student activists organized by the UPZ. [...] 21465 60 31_Re: What is the movement up to?0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Thu, 12 May 2005 15:07:58 EDT445_US-ASCII Ken

This was a great posting. I enjoyed it very much. I will reread it now and check out the other links

Thanks

Sam

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penina, please add and correct, but do not seriously change.

Three years have passed since Gedalya fell and the pain is as sharp today as it was then. It does not get easier. Thursday evening was the "sium masechet" learned in his memory, a talk prepared by his cousin's husband, and a meal lovingly prepared by cousins from his father's side of the family. Friday morning the whole family gathered from all over Israel in the [...] 21682 368 28_Fw: HAYARKON RIVER IN ISRAEL5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 14 May 2005 10:57:46 -0700572_iso-8859-1 For your viewing pleasure.

Enjoy.

Steve

(Back from several days of seminar)



Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:23 AM Subject: HAYARKON RIVER IN ISRAEL





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----- Original Message ----- Thought some of you would enjoy this.

Steve

Subject: GREAT "PIRSOMET"









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Some food for thought for those that still think America simply tosses $3 billion dollars a year to Israel. After reading this, it still puzzles why we do toss a couple of billion at Egypt every year, only to receive attitude and not much else in return . I know there are analytic minds out there that that can help explain. [...] 22678 302 7_Fw: Fw:5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 16 May 2005 08:11:58 -0700601_UTF-8 None of this has been checked. Sending it along anyway. Always appreciate help in verification.

Steve

Subject: Fw: Fw:



> >>> Following is an article from JTA - The Global News Service of the Jewish >>> People. For in-depth coverage of the latest developments affecting Jews >> all >>> over the world, click: www.jta.org >>> >>> >>> Iraqi politicians' support for Israel >>> costs him dearly, but he presses on >>> By: Heather Robinson >>> >>> >>> NEW YORK, May 9 (JTA) - For daring to visit Israel, Mithal Al-Alusi has >>> paid with more than his life: It cost [...] 22981 65 33_Re: QUESTION FOR RIKUDEI-AM-NIKS!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 16 May 2005 09:48:37 -0700316_us-ascii Shalom Ron- Have you put Karmon on CD??-- I would like a copy how much??? It might be nice for you to post on Habonet whatt you have available and the prices- I know people who would be interestedin the "old" stuff"!!- Sue (liberman)- My email address has changed....

--- RONOREN@AOL.COM wrote: [...] 23047 156 36_more on israeli aid to usa and world13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 16 May 2005 19:36:43 +0200589_windows-1255 Yoram Ettinger's article only strenghtens what I have learned recently.

I saw an ad in the internet for an amazing invention made by my son-in-law. The ad mentioned that the invention is made in China by a Swiss company, and had recommendations by satisfied buyers, several of whom came from Arab and muslim countries. Nowhere was there mention of the fact that it is a purely Israeli invention. I called my son-in-law to ask why it was being advertised like that and I received the answer that "if the world knew that this was an Israeli invention they would not [...] 23204 86 28_Re: RIKUDEI-AM-NIKS QUESTION0_15_ronoren@AOL.COM31_Tue, 17 May 2005 00:21:59 -0400485_us-ascii Hi Sue, Nice hearing from you! Karmon Israeli is indeed on CD, and there are a couple hundred other Israeli Folk Albums, Folk Dance and various other Israeli/Hebrew music albums available for transfer. I have a temp site up:

http://hometown.aol.com/ronoren

with everything. Thanks! Ron Orenstein ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:48:37 -0700 From: Sue Liberman Subject: Re: QUESTION FOR RIKUDEI-AM-NIKS! [...] 23291 96 28_Re: RIKUDEI-AM-NIKS QUESTION12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 16 May 2005 22:40:29 -0700558_us-ascii GREAT WEBSITE RON!!!-- I can see I will be out a couple of hundred bucks!!!! And it is great that proceeds go to camp--I suggest any Alte kaker out there check it out--Let's keep the old candles burning!!! Just seeing the album covers brought me back to my Bonah days.....sue --- ronoren@AOL.COM wrote: > Hi Sue, > Nice hearing from you! Karmon Israeli is indeed on > CD, and there are a couple hundred other Israeli > Folk Albums, Folk Dance and various other > Israeli/Hebrew music albums available for transfer. > I have a temp site up: > > [...] 23388 156 25_Re: Fw: Israeli aid to US0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 17 May 2005 15:06:21 +0000358_- I suppose those of us in the US have to thank the strong pro-American lobby in Jerusalem for getting Israel to help us so much and so selflessly. I also guess that all the money given to the Israeli lobby in Washington to completely wasted because Israeli aid is so obviously in the US self-interest why would anyone need to be lobbied to support it. [...] 23545 567 25_Re: Fw: Israeli aid to US5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 17 May 2005 10:36:33 -0700474_iso-8859-1 Richard

Believe it or not, I have actually come to enjoy your special style when addressing an opposing opinion. Don't feel embarrassed at maintaining it. Mine is obviously just my own opinion and belief system. I do not know it isn't true. But your saying it doesn't make it so, anymore than sprinkling magic pixie dust does. If you have an opposing opinion, just state it. If you are feeling extra energetic, then feel free to back up your opinion. [...] 24113 52 22_What the heck is this?0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 17 May 2005 20:22:02 +0000413_- I recieved the following message after I sent my last insightful comment to Habonet. What does it mean?

The Subject of the e-mail stated: Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a message sent from your address (SYM:09789795600605348637)

The text said this: Subject of the message: Re: Fw: Israeli aid to US Recipient of the message: "HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG" [...] 24166 74 26_Re: What the heck is this?0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Tue, 17 May 2005 18:09:49 EDT405_US-ASCII I didn't get that, but another list is having problems.......our tv news said that sunspots/solar flares will be interfering with email and cell phones, other electronics

maybe it's that! the good part is that it will be easier to see the aurora borealis

i wonder what the bracha is for that.....



Debbie

"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag [...] 24241 103 47_Re: What the heck is the bracha for the aurora?11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 17 May 2005 21:37:07 -0400375_iso-8859-1 shehechianu I'd think :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: What the heck is this?



I didn't get that, but another list is having problems.......our tv news said that sunspots/solar flares will be interfering with email and cell phones, other electronics [...] 24345 159 47_Re: What the heck is the bracha for the aurora?12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Wed, 18 May 2005 09:35:42 +0200394_iso-8859-1 Oseh ma'aseh bereishit? ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:37 AM Subject: Re: What the heck is the bracha for the aurora?



shehechianu I'd think :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: Re: What the heck is this? [...] 24505 78 47_Re: What the heck is the bracha for the aurora?0_15_DebALev@AOL.COM29_Wed, 18 May 2005 03:45:22 EDT690_US-ASCII



In a message dated 05/18/2005 12:36:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET writes:

Oseh ma'aseh bereishit?



I thought about that.........makes sense. Plus of course sheheheyanu, since I've never seen them before. Now, if only it weren't so cloudy and rainy....

Debbie

"Be serious, be passionate, wake up!" Susan Sontag

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Tammy Schmidt, Registrar Habonim Dror Camp Moshava www.camphabonimdrormoshava.org

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More disturbing news from "Great" Britain.

Steve



















Subject: SOAS in the newspapers The Board of Deputies of British Jews has issued a dossier to SOAS Director Colin Bundy, using evidence and personal statements collected from many SOAS students, detailing suspected breaches of the School's own rules.

I attach three stories that appeared in the last few days: 1) Jerusalem Post, 2) The Guardian, 3) The Times Higher Education Supplement [...] 25183 94 31_Re: RIKUD QUESTION FOR MACHANOT0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Thu, 19 May 2005 03:34:25 EDT516_US-ASCII OK, Chevreh, I am really in the dark here - I'm going to repost what I wrote to Ron several days ago and never got a response to:

I already did exactly what you're talking about but I did it several years ago. I talked to 4 different Habo machanot and took all the dances they do on Friday night - put them in order from simplest to hardest, and then put in extra dances, including some for zugot (which I know they don't do anymore at machaneh like we used to). Then I got David Dassa in LA to [...] 25278 308 28_FYI From the Jewish Ethicist0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Thu, 19 May 2005 09:35:44 EDT649_ISO-8859-1 Curious as to Habonet readers reaction to the following. Avi ******************** SOURCE http://www.aish.com/societyWork/work/The_Jewish_Ethicist_Disorganized_Labor.asp

The Jewish Ethicist: Disorganized Labor by Rabbi Dr. Asher Meir, JCT Center for Business Ethics / April 3, 2005

Q. As a middle manager in a large company, I'm at the highest level of management still represented by the union. Now top management is trying to persuade everyone at my level to leave the union and sign a personal contract. Is this disloyal to my union comrades? The union has done an excellent job of protecting our rights in the past. [...] 25587 354 43_FW: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman12_Alex Sharone22_mazkir@HABONIMDROR.ORG31_Thu, 19 May 2005 10:34:17 -0400841_windows-1250 Can anybody help her out?





Alex Sharone

Mazkir T'nua -- National Director

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From: k.peleg@comcast.net [mailto:k.peleg@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:33 PM To: mazkir@habonimdror.org; mazkir@habonimdror.org Subject: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman





Shalom,

I am researching and writing about Miriam Falk Biderman and would be interested in any archival material you might have or know about. My project started in the archives in Winnipeg with a memorial booklet published by Habonim, New York, 1950. Miriam made [...] 25942 369 43_Re: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman9_Ben Cohen17_bencee@NYC.RR.COM31_Thu, 19 May 2005 11:34:39 -0400436_windows-1250 Esther Sasson, who made aliyah to Kfar Blum from the US and was a member of Habonim, and still a resident of Kfar Blum, might be able to help. Her phone number is, from the USA, 011-972-4-694-8603. Saadia Gelb and others, would also be helpful. Ben Cohen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Sharone To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:34 AM Subject: FW: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman [...] 26312 562 34_Best Israeli Dance Collection Ever0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Thu, 19 May 2005 12:37:58 EDT275_UTF-8 OK, chevreh, I found the list of what is on the 3 Discs we made for all the machanot - I'm sending it as a formatted attachment and also pasting it into this email which may come out unformatted but at least you'll be able to read the list of what's on the discs. [...] 26875 713 38_Re: Best Israeli Dance Collection Ever11_Sue Freeman19_sfreeman@CFL.RR.COM31_Thu, 19 May 2005 12:50:06 -0400564_UTF-8 Would it be possible for 3 Discs of THE BEST ISRAELI DANCE COLLECTION EVER to be available for sale to Habonim Alumni? ----- Original Message ----- From: SC523@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 12:37 PM Subject: Best Israeli Dance Collection Ever



OK, chevreh, I found the list of what is on the 3 Discs we made for all the machanot - I'm sending it as a formatted attachment and also pasting it into this email which may come out unformatted but at least you'll be able to read the list of what's on the discs. [...] 27589 159 38_Re: Best Israeli Dance Collection Ever12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 19 May 2005 11:32:23 -0700540_us-ascii Any possibility individuals can buy these?--susie



--- SC523@AOL.COM wrote:

> OK, chevreh, I found the list of what is on the 3 > Discs we made for all the > machanot - I'm sending it as a formatted attachment > and also pasting it into > this email which may come out unformatted but at > least you'll be able to read > the list of what's on the discs. > > Camp Committee members/business managers of various > machanot: check to see > if you own these discs - you were sent or given them > 3 years ago. [...] 27749 356 42_miriam falk-Biderman's family in Jerusalem13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Thu, 19 May 2005 23:27:26 +0200513_windows-1250 I find this request quite unbelievable because only last year I helped Miriam Falk's cousin find the Falk family here in Jerusalem.

Miriam FAlk-Biderman's brother lives in Jerusalem and can be reached at 972-2-651-4386. His address is 2 Chai Teib Street, Har Nof, Jerusalem, Israel.

Please give my regards.



----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cohen To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman [...] 28106 53 38_Re: Best Israeli Dance Collection Ever0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Thu, 19 May 2005 20:39:41 EDT459_US-ASCII Chevreh,

Please give me a week to get back to you on this question.

Aliya

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IN May 1988, several months after the first Palestinian uprising began, I was called up for reserve duty with my infantry unit, which was to spend a few weeks in a village near the West Bank city of Hebron. I was a staunch opponent of Israel's occupation of the West Bank because I believed it was both politically unwise and morally untenable. So my instinctive reaction was to refuse to serve, as some other left-wing reservists had done then, and are doing now. [...] 28283 360 46_Fw: miriam falk-Biderman's family in Jerusalem13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Fri, 20 May 2005 16:00:42 +0200537_windows-1250





I find this request quite unbelievable because only last year I helped Miriam Falk's cousin find the Falk family here in Jerusalem.

Miriam FAlk-Biderman's brother lives in Jerusalem and can be reached at 972-2-651-4386. His address is 2 Chai Teib Street, Har Nof, Jerusalem, Israel.

Please give my regards.



----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Cohen To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Kibbutz Kfar Blum: Miriam Falk Biderman [...] 28644 60 41_miriam falk biderman's brother and nephew13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 21 May 2005 23:45:07 +0200530_windows-1255 I have twice sent the contact information for Miriam Falk-Biderman's family in Jerusalem, but each time I get a letter back from my server that the letter was not delivered. Therefore, if the person who wants the phone number and address of Miriam Falk-Biderman's brother and extended family in Jerusalem will contact me directly I shall supply the necessary contact numbers directly. If that does not work, give me your contact information and I shall give it to Felix Falk, Miriam's brother. shavua tov, pearl [...] 28705 56 15_Miriam biderman13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 21 May 2005 23:53:56 +0200560_windows-1255 i just sent a letter to habonet concerning the request for miriam biderman's family contact numbers, and though it looked like it was received by habonet, the server sent me a letter again that they do not deliver that letter. For the life of me I can not understand what and why the information in that letter is not acceptable to the server and remains undeliverable. Can one person on the list, say Steve, just write me if the letter was received by Habonet or not. If it was not received, I would like to give the information directly to [...] 28762 98 19_Re: Miriam biderman0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 21 May 2005 22:44:30 +0000474_- i wasv getting the same letters sent me last week when i wrote to habonet too









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Please forward to me the mail that this referred to.

Thanks, coop

rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > Brian or some other puter tech type tell me why I got this when I wrote > my last mesage to Habonet. This is the third time in a row this has > happened. Perhaps something is wrong with either my e-mails (and > apparently Pearl's) or something is wrong on the Habonet end? > > " > *From:* *[Add to Address Book]* > > *[View Source]* > > *To:* > *Subject:* Symantec > Mail Security detected > [...] 28992 1002 16_Fw: Bye Bye Love5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 22 May 2005 21:05:37 -0700505_windows-1255

Forward

Steve



Subject: Bye Bye Love



In the spring of 1957 two Tennessee teenagers took the song Bye, Bye Love and made it their first million record seller.





It was of course, The Everly Brothers.





Nearly 50 years later, the schmaltzy words of this song, which spoke sadly of pending emptiness and a life of loneliness, following the end of a romance, were hijacked for a much more ominous reason. [...] 29995 46 30_Re: This is what I got again!!0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Mon, 23 May 2005 03:20:48 EDT489_US-ASCII I've been getting those Symantec responses too - it's probably some kind of virus-generated thing, although I have a MAC and generally only get those at my pc at work.

Aliya

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__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail [...] 30072 48 30_Re: This is what I got again!!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 23 May 2005 11:44:46 -0700664_us-ascii I am also getting this- and I have macs==sue(sie)

--- SC523@AOL.COM wrote:

> I've been getting those Symantec responses too - > it's probably some kind of > virus-generated thing, although I have a MAC and > generally only get those at my > pc at work. > > Aliya > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, > a service of Hebrew College, which offers online > courses and > an online MA in Jewish Studies, > http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > To unsubscribe email: > HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > [...] 30121 69 30_Re: This is what I got again!!13_David Twersky23_dtwersky@AJCONGRESS.ORG31_Mon, 23 May 2005 20:50:00 -0400667_- --------------------- Sent with ChatterEmail True push email for the Treo Smartphone www.chatteremail.com



-----Original Message----- From: brian cooper Date: Sunday, May 22, 2005 10:54 am Subject: Re: This is what I got again!!

Rich,

Please forward to me the mail that this referred to.

Thanks, coop

rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > Brian or some other puter tech type tell me why I got this when I wrote > my last mesage to Habonet. This is the third time in a row this has > happened. Perhaps something is wrong with either my e-mails (and > apparently Pearl's) or something is wrong on [...] 30191 65 30_Re: This is what I got again!!12_brian cooper25_briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET31_Mon, 23 May 2005 21:30:48 -0400494_ISO-8859-1 I did some investigating with Shamash and this is not from Shamash's servers, nor is it associated with Habonet. It's spam that comes from a forged address that makes it "look" like it comes from Shamash. It could be that someone on the list has a virus - there a re a number of common viruses that read your mailbox and sends an emails to people it finds there, while making it look like it came from someone else it found there too. We've been through this before on Habonet! [...] 30257 91 30_Re: This is what I got again!!12_brian cooper25_briancooper@OPTONLINE.NET31_Mon, 23 May 2005 22:00:01 -0400591_ISO-8859-1 More on this problem: Those messages all seem to be coming from "Administrator@TAKAM.CO.IL" but that address is not subscribed to Habonet. Do one of you have it in your address book? Is someone forwarding email to there?

Please chjeck carefully and let me know.

--brian

brian cooper wrote: > I did some investigating with Shamash and this is not from Shamash's > servers, nor is it associated with Habonet. It's spam that comes from a > forged address that makes it "look" like it comes from Shamash. It could > be that someone on the list has a virus - [...] 30349 100 30_Re: This is what I got again!!14_Paul Fingerman29_paul.fingerman@MINDSPRING.COM31_Mon, 23 May 2005 19:34:31 -0700502_us-ascii Several of the current worms spoof both the sender and the return address. One's address can be captured from some third party who has your address in their address book, so it needn't be someone who is on the list who is infected, but a common correspondent. Sober.O has taken this to a new level of sophistication (90% of my current spam is in German, and contains pointers to neo-Nazi web sites), and there's no real countermeasure that I know of (other than refusing to communicate). [...] 30450 84 14_Bitter Oranges12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 24 May 2005 06:58:11 +0200615_iso-8859-1 Haverim/ot We’ve had any number of messages on Habonet claiming to give us the skinny on public opinion here about the pull-out from the occupied territories. (In my mind the closest comparison is coitus interruptus.) Since I’m neither a trained poll taker nor a sexologist I’ll stick to old fashioned subjective observations. I do have some experience in orange growing. My parents had an orange grove in pre-Israel Palestine and later I worked in the groves of Gesher Haziv. Here are my observations about the orange flags flown by opponents of the hinatkut – withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. They [...] 30535 75 30_Re: This is what I got again!!0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Tue, 24 May 2005 07:22:49 EDT419_US-ASCII

In a message dated 05/23/2005 10:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, paul.fingerman@MINDSPRING.COM writes:

90% of my current spam is in German, and contains pointers to neo-Nazi web sites), and there's no real countermeasure that I know of (other than refusing to communicate).







Everyone I know is getting these German e mails. I just wonder how widespread it is. [...] 30611 56 18_Re: Bitter Oranges0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM29_Tue, 24 May 2005 09:35:58 EDT380_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/24/05 12:58:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL writes:

> a native root stock of > Palestinian oranges

I agree with you as usual Amnon, but lets not politicize oranges by calling native root stock Palestinian. We might just as well call it Ottoman root stock, or perhaps more accurately, Iraqi root stock, etc. Avi [...] 30668 46 20_Weird spam in German20_Naomi Goldberg Honor18_naomijgh@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 24 May 2005 07:32:46 -0700607_us-ascii and I thought it was just me...

I've been getting these emails with United Synagogue and, lately, Bnei Akiva return addresses.

Naomi

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__________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail [...] 30773 68 22_Re: HELP!! Correction!12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 May 2005 09:45:07 -0700376_us-ascii Apparently, the Kooliks now live in Ra'anana--so anyone who could help me with phone numbers would be greatly appreciated--I still also need the contact info for the film archives- Thier website only has an email with no phone numbers and I cannot seem to find it online--THANKS--To Sam- I am emailing the address- but it seems the info may be outdated....Susie [...] 30842 27 29_email getting bounced back???12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 May 2005 10:45:25 -0700634_us-ascii I keep getting emails saying my email had some kind of "bad messgae"- Are they reaching habonet at all?--The emails are from administrator@TAKAM.CO.IL....sue





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------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 30870 45 14_been there....13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 25 May 2005 20:02:52 +0200754_iso-8859-1 Sue: that is the message i got when sending the info on miriam biderman's family in israel. pearl

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: email getting bounced back???



>I keep getting emails saying my email had some kind of > "bad messgae"- Are they reaching habonet at all?--The > emails are from administrator@TAKAM.CO.IL....sue > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by > [...] 30916 92 13_murray koolik13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 25 May 2005 20:16:11 +0200618_iso-8859-1 sue, my sister devora sold murray and marilyn's house some time ago, and she might know how to reach them or their buyer might know. Devora should be back from the states tomorrow and i shall ask her, b'li neder. I shall try to get the info for you. Meanwhile, the telephone number for the Steven Spielberg Film Archives: 972-2-588-2513 or 588-1511. I called one number and left a message for them that you are looking for Marilyn Koolik. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: Re: HELP!! [...] 31009 188 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Wed, 25 May 2005 16:43:17 -0700593_us-ascii In this past issue of our paper, we printed an article about an amazing discovery. Dr. Rena Kamenetsky of Israel's Volcani Institute, along with a few colleagues, examined the root of the Nurit flower- or Perisan buttercup-a plant found in the desert. It seemed that the plant would lie dormant during the hot dry season, but as soon as the rains came, it would flower and bloom...Dr. Kamenetsly and her team decided they wanted to learn what made this phenomenon happen- what helped to keep the plant dormant, then bloom, despite the fact it was exposed to flood-like rains and [...] 31198 213 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 25 May 2005 20:12:24 -0400481_iso-8859-1 A search inspired by Sue's posting below led me, after following a few links, to this page. I'd appreciate any debunking that list members care to provide.

Thanks,

Noam

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/P/Pa/Palestinian_Exodus.htm

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Liberman" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life [...] 31412 104 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 25 May 2005 22:20:11 EDT627_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/25/2005 8:18:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nstopak2@COMCAST.NET writes:

A search inspired by Sue's posting below led me, after following a few links, to this page. I'd appreciate any debunking that list members care to

provide. Here is an part of that page. The history of the Palestinian Exodus is closely tied to the events of the war in Palestine that lasted from 1947-1949. But few other wars in history have produced such a massive refugee flight of one ethnic group as the Palestine war did. The India Pakistan war of independence created millions of refugees. Likewise [...] 31517 101 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 25 May 2005 22:27:06 EDT733_US-ASCII Here is another passage that is misleading from that web page Noam

To make matters worse, Jewish immigration was restricted by both the Quick Facts about: Ottoman Turks A Turk (especially a Turk who is a member of the tribe of Osman I)_Ottoman Turks_ (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/O/Ot/Ottoman_Turks.htm) and the Quick Facts about: British The people of Great Britain _British_ (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/U/Un/United_Kingdom.htm) and diaspora Jews actually wished to immigrate to Palestine, most preferring to move to North America During the period leading up to the Sho-ah, Jews were not allowed to immigrate to the United States or to Palestine. During the the Sho-ah The [...] 31619 129 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 25 May 2005 22:36:03 EDT571_US-ASCII Well in the below portion the writer shoots himself in the foot.

The Peel commission gave the Jewish state something smaller than Gush Dan and gave all the rest to the Arabs. The gist is that Israel would have been Tel Aviv and Palestine would have been everything else. This radical suggestion shocked the Yishuv, but Ben Gurion supported it anyway. He sensed that something was about to happen to the Jews of Europe and he thought that any state no matter how small would provide a refuge. But the Mufti had other ideas. He had already made a pact [...] 31749 104 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 25 May 2005 22:43:35 EDT607_US-ASCII They mean that there was an omnipresent understanding during the war that as many Quick Facts about: Palestinian An ethnic group of Arabs formerly living in Palestine_Palestinian_ (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/P/Pa/Palestinian.htm) _Arab_ (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/A/Ar/Arab.htm) s as possible had to be transferred outside of the _Jew_ (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/J/Je/Jew.htm) ish state, and that that understanding stood behind many of the expulsions that the commanders on the field carried out and the depopulations that occurred. [...] 31854 613 31_Fw: Oprah's Mag Misses the Mark5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 25 May 2005 21:42:38 -0700638_iso-8859-1

For those of you that have not seen the Imam's brotherly sermon previously

Steve



Subject: Oprah's Mag Misses the Mark





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OPRAH'S MAG MISSES THE MARK



Dear HonestReporting Subscriber,







Palestinian imam Ibrahim Mudayris (view video)



As you read the following speech, delivered by imam Ibrahim Mudayris on national Palestinian TV on May 13, ask yourself how these words might influence an impressionable teenage Muslim girl: [...] 32468 161 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 26 May 2005 06:21:31 -0400352_iso-8859-1 Thanks for all your good points Sam. Sometimes the waves of propaganda are so thick it is hard to know where to start when people start talking about the issue and I need help getting some traction. The points about other refuge situations, missed opportunities to avoid the Naqba, and selective application of principles are valuable. [...] 32630 161 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Thu, 26 May 2005 06:56:52 EDT460_US-ASCII

In a message dated 05/26/2005 6:32:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nstopak2@COMCAST.NET writes:

Thanks for all your good points Sam. Sometimes the waves of propaganda are so thick it is hard to know where to start when people start talking about the issue and I need help getting some traction. The points about other refuge situations, missed opportunities to avoid the Naqba, and selective application of principles are valuable. [...] 32792 239 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET31_Thu, 26 May 2005 13:22:03 +0200552_iso-8859-1 To state it otherwise, there is nothing beneficial (or historical) about discarding one erroneous and biased narrative (the one that glorifies and justifies Israel on every count) and replacing it with an equally erroneous and biased narrative (one that makes Israeli out to be a demonic nation that trampled passive and entirely innoccent Palestinian victims). J ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life [...] 33032 1588 32_Lecturers vote on Israel boycott13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:31 -0400 34621 64 15_A small victory8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Thu, 26 May 2005 20:27:55 +0200465_us-ascii

Lecturers overturn Israel boycott... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4582955.stm

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 34686 152 47_Fw: memories of the six day war: 35 years later13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Thu, 26 May 2005 20:21:12 +0200343_windows-1255 No one can feed me a post-zionist version of the Six Day War. I was there every minute of the waiting period, saved my life by sitting in a Jerusalem bunker for 3 days and nights, and then watched the rest of the war in Jerusalem from the garden of that bunker. The period is etched in my memory as if it occurred yesterday. [...] 34839 28 16_Kibbutzim in WSJ11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM31_Thu, 26 May 2005 15:32:45 -0500303_us-ascii Hi All,

There is a great article in today's Wall Street Journal about Kibbutzim in Israel. The outlook is not good if you yearn for the days of old. On the other hand, if you're a kibbutznik with a company that's gone public, it's hello public listings, stock options and Sarbanes-Oxley. 34868 63 47_Re: Bitter Oranges-or When Nature Imitates Life16_Katherine Lavine26_holycowfoods@EARTHLINK.NET31_Thu, 26 May 2005 13:43:38 -0700560_US-ASCII

huh? Elaboration, please.

----- Original Message ----- To me the most forgotten point is that the Palestinians were not innocent by standers during the Sho-ah. They played an active role and bear if not guilt, culpability for the murder of the Jews of Europe.

Sam









The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 34932 61 20_Re: Kibbutzim in WSJ13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Thu, 26 May 2005 15:29:35 -0700609_iso-8859-1 I would be nice to rea the article but I believe it is available only to subscribers. If someone would send the complete article, it would be appreciated.

Moshe ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ferri" To: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Kibbutzim in WSJ



> Hi All, > > There is a great article in today's Wall Street Journal about > Kibbutzim in Israel. The outlook is not good if you yearn for the > days of old. On the other hand, if you're a kibbutznik with a > company that's gone public, it's [...] 34994 189 25_don't forget the children0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Thu, 26 May 2005 18:44:54 EDT413_US-ASCII

In a message dated 05/26/2005 4:44:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holycowfoods@earthlink.net writes:

huh? Elaboration, please.





----- Original Message ----- To me the most forgotten point is that the Palestinians were not innocent by standers during the Sho-ah. They played an active role and bear if not guilt, culpability for the murder of the Jews of Europe. [...] 35184 30 18_"honest reporting"16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 27 May 2005 01:17:38 -0400638_ISO-8859-1 Steve Klein's most recent submission, a blurb from so-called "Honest Reporting," has finally moved me to submit to Habonet for the first time in a while. HR's self-appointed avatars of truth as they want us to know it are sanctimonious flaks for the irresponsible political right. (They are conflated with, and bankrolled by, the religio-fanatics of Aish HaTorah.) Read HR regularly enough, and you'll discover them to be self-important, self-inflated and often wrong. But call them on their factual mistakes and they'll drop you from their daily screed. As a result of my having publicly embarassed "HR," they dropped me [...] 35215 1840 19_Wall Street Journal16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 27 May 2005 01:26:39 -04001408_ISO-8859-1 WORLD NEWS





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Jon

-----Original Message----- From: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [mailto:HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG] On Behalf Of Elihu D. Davison Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:18 AM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Subject: "honest reporting"



Steve Klein's most recent submission, a blurb from so-called "Honest Reporting," has finally moved me to submit to Habonet for the first time in a while. HR's self-appointed avatars of truth as they want us to know it are sanctimonious flaks for the irresponsible political right. (They are conflated with, and bankrolled by, the religio-fanatics of Aish HaTorah.) Read HR [...] 37108 99 51_Re: Fw: memories of the six day war: 35 years later0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Fri, 27 May 2005 15:38:05 EDT559_US-ASCII Pearl

I lived in Israel during the Six Day War too. It is my memory too as it is for millions of Israeli's. I have differnent memories which I might share. But your starting this posting with "No one can feed me a Post Zionist version of that war" is a little hostile. Some of those paratroopers you were climbing over were my friends and I talked with them after the war. They had some interesting reflections on the war which were published in a book called Siach Lochamim. The tzanchanim from my Kibbutz were quite changed by the war. [...] 37208 118 51_Re: Fw: memories of the six day war: 35 years later12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 27 May 2005 14:52:16 -0700574_iso-8859-1 I guess the sad ting about "hindsight" is that it is all "in the eyes of the beholders."- I don't think any of Pearl's memories of the War are really in conflict with yours, Sam. It isn't about "romanticizing" or using any other of those non-specific words, but about memories that made an impression. I wasn't in Israel for that one, but for the Yom Kippur War; I DO, however, remember the feelings I got when-as was different from when we were on Workshop and couldn't go into East Jerusalem- seeing Jordanian soldiers in the windows of houses with rifles [...] 37327 114 51_Re: Fw: memories of the six day war: 35 years later0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Fri, 27 May 2005 18:11:39 EDT569_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/27/2005 5:53:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes:

I guess the sad ting about "hindsight" is that it is all "in the eyes of the beholders."-

Sue

I remember vividly on before the Six Day War was over going on a Tiyul with Gesher Haziv to Beit Arava. We crossed into the Gada near Jenin and road all the way through the newly conquered West Bank to Bet Arava. I remember looking at the faces we passed that day. When we got to Beit Arava, the faces of the Vatikim were lost in the past. Then [...] 37442 86 51_Re: Fw: memories of the six day war: 35 years later12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Fri, 27 May 2005 16:31:46 -0700545_iso-8859-1 The problems with "perhapses" is that we will never know...s

--- Smfgrappa@AOL.COM wrote:

> In a message dated 05/27/2005 5:53:12 P.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM writes: > > I guess the sad ting about "hindsight" is that it > is > all "in the eyes of the beholders."- > > Sue > > I remember vividly on before the Six Day War was > over going on a Tiyul with > Gesher Haziv to Beit Arava. We crossed into the Gada > near Jenin and road all > the way through the newly conquered West Bank to Bet [...] 37529 33 20_Personal Information12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Fri, 27 May 2005 23:32:32 -0400581_us-ascii Hi everybody,

I'm recovering from the crash of my hard drive, so I'm way behind in my reading... but I noticed more than a few messages sent in the past 2 weeks that contained the phone numbers of non-list members.

I know that the people who shared the phone numbers were motivated by the best of intentions, but we should all consider (a) that sending somebody else's personal information to hundreds of other people is probably inappropriate and (b) that messages to Habonet are archived on the Shamash website, which may be accessible to the public. [...] 37563 61 39_It looks like we're all getting this...12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 00:16:56 -0400842_us-ascii Brian et al,

I got this message in response to the message I just sent Habonet.

Is there a Habonet member with a takam.co.il address whose firewall or nannyware could be sending these messages?

David



>Status: U >Return-Path: >Received: from takam.TAKAM.CO.IL ([213.8.99.19]) > by watson.mail.atl.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with > ESMTP id 1dBSAdTo3Nl3qW0 > for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 00:05:57 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mail pickup service by takam.TAKAM.CO.IL with Microsoft >SMTPSVC; > Sat, 28 May 2005 07:05:25 +0200 >thread-index: AcVjQttatwUxCM+rQ9eHjk4k76lbEA== >Thread-Topic: Symantec Mail Security detected prohibited content in a >message sent from your >address (SYM:10585882830877155458) >From: [...] 37625 110 24_Fw: Fw: IMPORTANT TO SEE5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 08:07:19 -0700442_iso-8859-1

I hadn't seen parts of this before. It is entertaining only because it reminds us that this lowlife will see the same end as the Hitler before him. I love the logic. "The Jews were treated badly, therefore it must have been because of something they did". As demented as this speaker is, you can almost see the ideas penetrating the lifeless skulls attending the lecture. A next generation of haters is in the making. [...] 37736 351 30_Fw: the blindness of the media5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 08:25:01 -0700409_windows-1255

Forwarding: Worth reading.

Steve

Subject: Fw: the blindness of the media







You are familiar with the expression which I paraphrase, "Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

On the White House lawn in 1993 Arafat and Rabin shook hands both agreeing to forswear violence. They both received Nobel Peace Prizes. [...] 38088 98 22_Re: "honest reporting"5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:59 -0700499_iso-8859-1 Elihu

I appreciate what you wrote and also how you wrote it. You raise a challenge, but one that allows and sparks dialogue. By now, I am hoping that it is clearer that I subscribe to a wide variety of sources, and read most everything I can get my hands on. Sam would like me to read more, and in depth on certain subjects, and I do try. Habonet is only part of my life (albeit an important part), but I read and correspond with much outside of Habonet, as I hope we all do. [...] 38187 399 34_Re: Fw: the blindness of the media0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 28 May 2005 16:33:00 +0000562_- The article states, "If the Jewish media had warned the world of Arafat's message, perhaps the US would not have nurtured that PLO terrorist, and perhaps some of more than 1000 people murdered in cold blood by the PLO would not have been murdered."

Does this make any sense? How did the US nurturing of Arafat lead to murders? If the US, and Israel, had not recognized the PLO and tried to negotiate with them why would less people have been murdered? I've never heard a convincing arguement that Oslo hurt Israel at all since, at worst, it had no [...] 38587 108 22_Re: "honest reporting"0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 28 May 2005 16:35:25 +0000525_- The writer stated, "Hey, even Bush can say something intelligent every once in a while- "

I question the accuracy of this statement.



> Elihu > > I appreciate what you wrote and also how you wrote it. You raise a > challenge, but one that allows and sparks dialogue. > By now, I am hoping that it is clearer that I subscribe to a wide variety of > sources, and read most everything I can > get my hands on. Sam would like me to read more, and in depth on certain > subjects, and I do try. Habonet [...] 38696 93 34_Re: Fw: the blindness of the media0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sat, 28 May 2005 12:45:57 EDT391_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/28/2005 12:38:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes:

The trouble with this right-wing crap is that the right has no solution that any person with a conscience could possibly accept. If Israel isn't going to negotiate with Abbas, who the hell will they negotiate with? Should Israel or the US appoint the Palestinian leader? [...] 38790 69 15_memories of War13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 28 May 2005 19:07:02 +0200572_windows-1255 I am truly amazed that people read into what I write emotions or ideology or thoughts or cynicism that simply are not there. I was asked to write memories of the war of 1967 for a newspaper. I did so, and then sent it to people I care for whom I thought would not read that newspaper. Every year at this time Israelis do remember the war and memories come tumbling back which reflect our specific experience of that war. We are a nation with historical memory. Our religion is a historical religion. We remember and we commemorate. (Christians celebrate [...] 38860 82 19_Re: memories of War0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sat, 28 May 2005 13:12:01 EDT540_US-ASCII

In a message dated 05/28/2005 1:07:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL writes:

I am truly amazed that people read into what I write emotions or ideology or thoughts or cynicism that simply are not there.





Are you really truly amazed when you started with that "Post Zionist" crap? Is any view different than yours cynicism? Are you not aware that one some levels there are other ways of remembering history? Context is everything Pearl. You know that. Think about it. [...] 38943 85 19_Re: memories of War0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sat, 28 May 2005 13:14:46 EDT354_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/28/2005 1:07:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL writes:

I did not present any political view in what I wrote and I don't think anyone can objectively tell me what my opinion is about disengagement, since I do not express myself concerning this. To surmise something does not make it true. [...] 39029 672 90_Fw: Nightmare in Dhaka - By Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, The Jerusalem Post, May 19, 20055_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 10:40:40 -0700581_UTF-8 From Steve Recommended: Subject: Read: Nightmare in Dhaka - By Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury, The Jerusalem Post, May 19, 2005













Beyond the Facts http://www.MidEastTruth.com



Now in the MidEastTruth Forum:



Israel at 57 This is by Brian Levitan, from Australia. He prepared a great hand-out for Israel's 57th Independence Day anniversary, distilling an enormous amount of information and you may find this useful... (posted by Shanks) http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2394 [...] 39702 560 68_Fw: Bush's preferred Palestinian publishes anti-Semitic screed......5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sat, 28 May 2005 10:42:06 -0700860_UTF-8

Sending onward

Steve Subject: Fw: Bush's preferred Palestinian publishes anti-Semitic screed......







Bush's preferred Palestinian publishes anti-Semitic screed (Please W, say it ain't so)......

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44366

FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAU Abbas publishes anti-Semitic screed Official Palestinian Authority website includes 'Protocols of the Elder of Zion' forgery in Arabic

May 21, 2005 By Aaron Klein © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com JERUSALEM -- An official Palestinian Authority information website directly affiliated with President Mahmoud Abbas has published on its Arabic language section a copy of the ''Protocols of the Elders of Zion,'' a classic anti-Semitic forgery, while the English section does not contain the work, WND [...] 40263 68 33_This would make me go to services8_Jon Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Sat, 28 May 2005 20:55:29 +0200437_US-ASCII

I'm thinking of converting.

http://beerchurch.com/

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 40332 62 8_end this13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 28 May 2005 20:00:50 +0200551_windows-1255 chaverim, I do not wish to get into polemics on an article written with no other intent than to express my own personal memories of the war as I saw it in my corner of Jerusalem. It is a piece of history and everyone has his own piece of history that is his/hers alone. Together these individual memories make up the quilt of history. Each testimony helps to produce a wider picture. I refuse to be drawn into a political battle about events in Israel today, because despite the pain of what is happening here, I am not qualified to [...] 40395 64 12_thanks steve13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 28 May 2005 20:08:54 +0200404_windows-1255 I for one am grateful to have the opportunity to read what Steve sends the list, because of the relevance of the material, and because it gives us the opportunity to learn of other views, not just what the media tells us. Steve, thank you, and please do not give up despite criticism of those with Pravda mentalities. How otherwise can we learn that there are two sides to every story? [...] 40460 108 16_Re: thanks steve0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 28 May 2005 19:25:02 +0000464_- Steve,

Can I sue someone who says I have a Pravda mentality?









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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 40569 34 22_Re: "honest reporting"20_Lon & Shelly Ephraim16_cbma@VERIZON.NET31_Sat, 28 May 2005 20:57:34 -0400395_US-ASCII Richard

I disagree. If someone else writes it and he practices in front of the mirror lots of times, I think he can. Say it, that is.

Shelly



On May 28, 2005, at 12:35 PM, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote:

> The writer stated, "Hey, even Bush can say something > intelligent every once in a while- " > > I question the accuracy of this statement. > [...] 40604 54 22_Re: "honest reporting"5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 29 May 2005 06:31:27 -0700595_iso-8859-1 Shelly

Thank you for your support.

Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lon & Shelly Ephraim" To: Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: Re: "honest reporting"



> Richard > > I disagree. If someone else writes it and he practices in front of the > mirror lots of times, > I think he can. Say it, that is. > > Shelly > > > On May 28, 2005, at 12:35 PM, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET wrote: > >> The writer stated, "Hey, even Bush can say something >> intelligent every once in a while- " >> >> I question [...] 40659 320 20_Fw: Just like Moishe5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 29 May 2005 06:34:59 -0700454_Windows-1252

Guys

I don't think I've EVER sent a joke to Habonet, but this one was so fitting for our group it was a shame not to share it.

Steve



Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Just like Moishe



Just like Moishe



A man walks into the street and manages to get a taxi just going by. He gets into the taxi, and the cabbie says, "Perfect timing. You're just like Moishe." [...] 40980 65 16_Re: thanks steve5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 29 May 2005 06:56:24 -0700582_iso-8859-1 Richard

Heck, you can sue anyone for anything (don't forget- I live in California), Besides- look at the lady that was suing Wendy's for her finding a finger in the chili that she had put in herself! Now, that's chutzpa! The Pravda example would be a little harder to pursue. I don't think you could get too many Americans together to agree on what that actually means. Literally, of course, it means "Truth", if I remember correctly. The mnemonic for remembering it is "There is no pravda in Isvestia and there is no isvestia in Pravda". Pearl, if pushed to [...] 41046 98 15_Two in one day!11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 29 May 2005 11:48:39 -0400604_iso-8859-1 I think that you sent another joke Steve. Being the open and fair minded individual that you portray yourself to be, you will recognize that those who speak for Pearl's right to express her jingoistic attitudes have called for the heads of those who occasionally point out that there is more than the "honest reporting" side of various issues. Expressions of disbelief at various expressions on this list come from all sides of the political spectrum. Name calling too. Questions of sanity roll off your keyboard (and in your direction as well). A brief tour through the archives of this [...] 41145 129 19_Re: Two in one day!13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sun, 29 May 2005 22:24:45 +0200585_iso-8859-1 i was not referring to any particular person "with a pravda mentality," mostly because I did not remember who I was answering. I answer in generalities and not against a particular person. (my husband, a confirmed leftist of communist background, is named after the national head of the communist party in the USA, and he, being a mysogenist, says "I am not prejudiced: I hate everybody."-- that is his joke). I think what gets at me most is people commenting with such knowledge of something they know so little about or with which they have no experience or which is [...] 41275 191 19_Re: Two in one day!0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sun, 29 May 2005 17:38:18 EDT403_US-ASCII In a message dated 05/29/2005 4:25:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL writes:

I think what gets at me most is people commenting with such knowledge of something they know so little about or with which they have no experience or which is based on reading a one-sided view of a subject, not really being able to see or even caring to see both sides of an issue. [...] 41467 28 25_Some interesting websites12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Sun, 29 May 2005 22:48:59 -0400632_us-ascii Here are some interesting websites I came across during the past few days.

I thought some of you might enjoy them, although I'm afraid none of them is likely to spark much debate. ;-)

http://www.dictionary.co.il/index.php

http://www.milon.co.il/

http://www.ibiblio.org/yiddish/Vort/

David

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Sorry to have confused you again. It WAS a joke. A well-intended joke at that, and one I am sure Richard took as such. You can usually tell it's well-meaning when it doesn't include aspersions such as "jingoistic" and "questions of sanity". I am not telling you how to write, Noam; just how to tell the difference. I could be wrong, but if you could help dissect the letter I wrote (below) and point out the pillorying or the nastiness or the name-calling, I would be forever indebted. If you have time to "tiptoe through the archives" and pull [...] 41644 55 27_the land of fruits and nuts13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 30 May 2005 23:02:42 +0200498_windows-1255 steve, your letter reminded me for some reason of the saying:

California: the land of fruits and nuts.

pearl

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BC-MIDEAST-ART-500&ADD-NYT ISRAELI ANCHOR TAKES ON SETTLEMENTS (ART ADV: Photo NYT 28 is being sent to NYT photo clients. Nonsubscribers can purchase one-time rights by calling: 1-888-603-1036 or 1-888-346-9867.) By STEVEN ERLANGER@ c.2005 New York Times News Service@ JERUSALEM – For nearly 40 years, Haim Yavin has been the calm, objective face of Israeli news, the anchor of Channel 1’s broadcast since the founding of Israeli television in 1968. Now 72, Yavin, known here as Mr. TV, is about to deliver a documentary about Israel’s settlements in the West Bank that is pessimistic, angry and intensely [...] 42021 53 19_Re: v hamevin yavin0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 30 May 2005 22:11:32 EDT442_US-ASCII Thank you for posting this Marc

It is very important

Sam

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 42075 59 24_Kumsitz this Sat. night!0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Tue, 31 May 2005 03:19:21 EDT389_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh,

Please remember the upcoming Kumsitz- Sam Flesher will be coming in from Pittsburgh and doing a special "Sam Set;" we've got several different guitarists and banjo players; Tamar Paradise Yablonski's leading dancing; Abba Caspi's leading makhela - should be a great one!

To view the flyer again, go to http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/kumsitz [...] 42135 45 28_Re: Kumsitz this Sat. night!8_cpristoo17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Tue, 31 May 2005 09:50:03 -0400345_ISO-8859-1 >Don't think I'm going to make it this year. Just returned from Israel a week ago, where I attended Rafi's graduation from Med School Did an 11 plus hour round trip yesterday to NYC and back to pack up Eli, and will be driving up to NYC again June 9 for Rafi's reception at Metropolitan Museum of Art. Need a weekend home. Allan [...] 42181 65 16_Tavor From Space11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@WORDMASTER.COM31_Tue, 31 May 2005 08:42:20 -0500531_us-ascii >http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=3031&Y=23210&W=3&qs=59884+Arhur+.L.+Jones+Road%7cThree+Rivers%7cmi%7c&Addr=59884+Arthur+L+Jones+Rd%2c+Three+Rivers%2c+MI+49093&ALon=-85.7119961&ALat=41.9227551

Hi All,

This is a fascinating shot of Camp Tavor from a satellite. 42247 108 19_Re: v hamevin yavin0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Tue, 31 May 2005 10:29:30 -0400397_us-ascii



Marc

The Article about Haim Yavin and "Yoman Masa" that you posted yesterday, just appeared in todays NYT.

I just re read it and it is painful to read.

Because some of the people who post here have been saying that we can't say anything because we are not on the spot to see with our own eyes, this piece about an Israeli icon is very important. [...] 42356 120 19_Re: v hamevin yavin12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Tue, 31 May 2005 07:56:28 -0700583_iso-8859-1 I suppose what bothers me about all of this is complicated- but really simple. If you read Daniel Gordis' article about his trip to Gaza with his children, you find the best questions are from the mouths of his "babes."--I feel that Israel gives and gives and gives and gets nothing back. It gave back in 67, 73, now....no peace. I am also a little skeptical about this "puulout" and what it will mean...You are dealing with uprooting real people from their homes; Gordis' children asked, "What are we getting for our homes, and buildings? Are they paying for them?" [...] 42477 140 19_Re: v hamevin yavin0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Tue, 31 May 2005 11:06:23 -0400504_us-ascii



-----Original Message----- From: Sue Liberman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:56:28 -0700 Subject: Re: v hamevin yavin



I suppose what bothers me about all of this is complicated- but really simple. If you read Daniel Gordis' article about his trip to Gaza with his children, you find the best questions are from the mouths of his "babes." The gist of the Gordis article is that we should be ready to give it all back. [...] 42618 53 19_Re: Two in one day!0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Tue, 31 May 2005 08:49:12 -0700377_us-ascii Pearl wrote: (my husband, a confirmed leftist of communist background, is named after the national head of the communist party in the USA, and he, being a mysogenist, says "I am not prejudiced: I hate everybody."-- that is his joke).

She probably meant he was a misanthrope, but saying one's husband is a misogynist is pretty funny, in a sick sort of way. [...] 42672 112 17_sharon is correct13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:00:12 +0200454_iso-8859-1 you are absolutely right -- I used the wrong word, and that is really funny. I am at the point in life where my hebrew is better than my english, and it is a big loss in my life.

reminds me of when my son at age 4 said he wanted to play piano like Ludwig van Volkswagen or when he was older, reading ingredients on a bottle and i asked him what he was looking for, he answered "I want to see if it has motorcycle glutamate in it." [...] 42785 220 21_Re: sharon is correct11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 31 May 2005 19:25:51 -0400403_iso-8859-1 some of the best I've heard along these lines come from one of the kids in the book "The World According to Garp". Two that I recall off the top of my head: "undertoad" for "undertow" and my favorite "gradual school" for "graduate school"

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Pearl Skolnik To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: sharon is correct [...] 43006 106 22_Fw: AF Officer Debrief5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Tue, 31 May 2005 16:43:29 -0700572_iso-8859-1 >I am sending this along.. My daughter-in-law in Iraq did not write this >one, but it echoes what she has been sending over the past year. Well >worth reading.

Steve



> >Hi Everyone > Just wanted to thank all of you for your emails, jokes, packages, > hospital supplies, cookies, cards, letters, newspapers, etc. You've all > made this tour just a little bit easier and for that I thank you. I will > be departing Baghdad on Sunday, 22 May. After Saturday morning, 21 May I > will no longer have access to this email account. > > It's [...]