1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet March 2005 2 343 71_Re: Fw: Dangerous Indoctrination About Islam in American Public Schools5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:53:59 -0800406_iso-8859-1 Richard

I have a question for you: If the investigative mind were open from the very beginning of the investigative process, and eager to learn more about a subject (such as Islam), and if that mind found the more it learned, the more there was to be genuinely concerned about, does that automatically qualify as prejudice? Wouldn't that be just "judice", or judging through reason? [...] 346 401 31_Support Study Abroad to Israel!16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:52:38 -0500334_ISO-8859-15 Dear Chevreh, As you may know, virtual all semester abroad programs in Israel have been cancelled because schools do not want to risk sending students to a country on the State Dept warning list. Please sign this petition to the State Dept so more students have the opportunity to study in Israel Shalom- Judy Gelman [...] 748 359 71_Re: Fw: Dangerous Indoctrination About Islam in American Public Schools16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:04:09 -0500392_ISO-8859-1 Just by the numbers, Muhammed is ahead of Jesus, but Lenin/Mao (take your pick) beats them both. My kids all studied a similar curriculum in 5th grade and it seemed quite appropriate to me. My daughter in 7th grade had a project in which she had to plan a Hadj and keep a fanciful journal on her journey. She learned a lot by doing it and I learned a lot in just helping her. [...] 1108 39 35_Re: Support Study Abroad to Israel!0_22_ILANAATBARGATE@AOL.COM28_Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:42:33 EST453_US-ASCII I would like to sign the petition but it was not attached. Thanks Ilana Goldstein

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 1148 93 35_Re: Support Study Abroad to Israel!16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:07:05 -0500755_us-ascii I came through for me so I am not sure what the problem is . I hope this works for you:

http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/Study_Israel/

Judy



ILANAATBARGATE@AOL.COM wrote:

> I would like to sign the petition but it was not attached. Thanks > Ilana Goldstein > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network > , a service of Hebrew College > , which offers online courses and an online > MA in Jewish Studies . > > To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG > > [...] 1242 39 35_Re: Support Study Abroad to Israel!0_22_ILANAATBARGATE@AOL.COM28_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:51:21 EST411_US-ASCII Thanks Judy, It worked this time. Ilana

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 1282 174 35_Re: Support Study Abroad to Israel!12_Esther Cohen22_richard.steacy@GTE.NET30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 07:09:53 -0500331_iso-8859-1 Judy -

A friendly note - I didn't see a date on this petition, so when it starts circulating for the third or fourth time, a year or more from now, people may not realize that it's old, out of date (hopefully!), already sent...

esther cohen washington, dc mosh 70-75+ mb 76 workshop 27 (gesher haziv) [...] 1457 205 35_Re: Support Study Abroad to Israel!16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 08:44:00 -0500508_us-ascii Since it is on a website, I hope they will pull it when it is done! Judy

Esther Cohen wrote:

> Judy - > > A friendly note - I didn't see a date on this petition, so when it > starts circulating for the third or fourth time, a year or more from > now, people may not realize that it's old, out of date (hopefully!), > already sent... > > esther cohen > washington, dc > mosh 70-75+ > mb 76 > workshop 27 (gesher haziv) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Judith R. Gelman [...] 1663 357 27_[QUAR]Thinking of Jackasses13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:23:42 +0200408_windows-1255 The Atlantic Monthly | April 2005

Books & Critics Books

Thinking of Jackasses

The grand delusions of the Democratic Party by Marc Cooper ..... Don't Think of an Elephant!: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate by George Lakoff Chelsea Green Publishing

What's the Matter With Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America by Thomas Frank Metropolitan Books [...] 2021 673 85_Fw: The Holy Land's Most Prestigious Christian Prelates Speak Out against...the Jews!5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:42:43 -0800575_iso-8859-1

Good to know.

Steve

Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: The Holy Land's Most Prestigious Christian Prelates Speak Out against...the Jews!







Sixty years after the liberation of Auschwitz's prisoners, it is an ironic obscenity for alleged men of God to promote the most pernicious forms of anti-Semitism.

B"H

"Peace" Through Anti-Semitism By Joseph D'Hippolito FrontPageMagazine.com | February 9, 2005 Isralert.com source: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=16864 [...] 2695 431 47_Fw: PA OFFICIAL MEDIA: KILL A JEW--GO TO HEAVEN5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:38:25 -0800552_iso-8859-1

One would think the elimination of this stuff would be a prime prerequisite for a peace agreement.

Steve



Subject: Fw: PA OFFICIAL MEDIA: KILL A JEW--GO TO HEAVEN









Natan Sharansky draws attention to Nazi-like Palestinian anti-Semitism . . . depicting Jews as subhuman. . . portraying Jews as a threat to the existence of Palestinians in particular and the Arab world in general. . . Jews control all media. . . Jews started the Second World War and the Holocaust . . . [...] 3127 29 20_Of Interest, perhaps11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:53:37 -0600682_us-ascii ACHI- American Congregations Helping Israel is a program established in North America to create a continuing positive and significant impact on the Israeli economy. ACHI calls upon all Congregations, Organizations, schools and private households to participate in this endeavor so that together we can accomplish this goal. The idea is simple -- serve products from Israel whenever and wherever you can: Kiddush, Brit, Bar/Bat Mitzvah, dinners, fundraisers,in snack machines, at meetings, etc. To further bolster the Israeli economy, ACHI asks everyone to encourage local supermarkets and stores to expand their Israeli product line. Learn more about ACHI and see how [...] 3157 66 17_Jesse Ostroff z"l16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 2 Mar 2005 22:14:41 -0500373_us-ascii Dear Friends,

I just came home from the memorial service for Jesse Ostroff z"l of Rochester Habonim (in the 1930's). I had known him for 13 years through my congregation and had not realized that we had this connection until I saw who had come to mourn him and heard the eulogies. It turns out that his daughter Vivian was my chanicha in 1072 at Mosh. [...] 3224 36 35_Interesting Islam Refusnik web site0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Thu, 3 Mar 2005 13:52:11 +0000336_- http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

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3261 37 13_anti-semitism16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Thu, 3 Mar 2005 09:14:43 -0500624_ISO-8859-1 Panel discussion at the Museum of Jewish Heritage.

Sunday, March 13th, at 2:30 p.m.

"Those Who Forget the Past: The Question of Anti-Semitism," which is also the title of a Random House paperback published last year. The panelists are Ron Rosenbaum, Paul Berman, Marie Brenner of Vanity Fair, and Nat Hentoff.

How do we know when to be alarmed, and when we are being alarmist, about anti-Semitism? What is 'new' about contemporary anti-Semitism? When does anti-Zionism become anti-Semitism? Ron Rosenbaum and a distinguished panel of writers will grapple with these and other questions. [...] 3299 136 14_from the Times13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:45:54 +0200383_windows-1255 March 04, 2005

What have the Americans ever done for us? Liberated 50 million people... Gerard Baker



ONE OF MY favourite cinematic moments is the scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian when Reg, aka John Cleese, the leader of the People’s Front of Judea, is trying to whip up anti-Roman sentiment among his team of slightly hesitant commandos. [...] 3436 55 18_Re: from the Times0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:49:17 +0000420_-

"It’s too early, in fairness, to claim complete victory in the American-led struggle to bring peace through democratic transformation of the region."

I fear that is the understatement of the century, at least thus far.

I also question the Bush administrations role in the renewed peace prospects between Israel and the Palestinians, unless Bush had something to do with the death of Arafat. [...] 3492 181 18_Re: from the Times13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:09:52 +0200521_windows-1255 Well, Richard, nobody in the administration is claiming complete victory. When I heard Condi's comments after she met the French foreign minister about Syria, she specifically stated that the road ahead would be long and hard, although there were hopeful signs. The trend seems to be positive - and you can throw in Ukraine, if you like - and what is taking place in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Egypt, and Libya is not just a coincidence, as the Marxists say. At least give credit where credit is due. [...] 3674 143 18_Re: from the Times11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:32:25 -0500377_windows-1255 Indeed, but where is it due? Lebanon is on your list - was Bush responsible for Hariri's assasination?

I give the administration credit for hypocracy:

“The world has a clear interest in the spread of democratic values, because stable and free nations do not breed the ideologies of murder. They encourage the peaceful pursuit of a better life.” [...] 3818 200 18_Re: from the Times13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:50:05 +0200400_windows-1255 I see this thread is deteriorating. Nothing like fart jokes to make a political discussion more serious. Never mind.

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: from the Times



Indeed, but where is it due? Lebanon is on your list - was Bush responsible for Hariri's assasination? [...] 4019 267 18_Re: from the Times11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 06:54:39 -0500429_windows-1255 How can you bring up Monty Python and then object to fart jokes?

Nice way to sidestep the substance of my message though.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:50 AM Subject: Re: from the Times



I see this thread is deteriorating. Nothing like fart jokes to make a political discussion more serious. Never mind. [...] 4287 357 18_Re: from the Times13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:34 +0200579_windows-1255 Not side stepping. It's just that I hopped that, for once, we could discuss American affairs without resorting to vitriol and obscenities. If your hatred for your President won't allow you to see that maybe, just maybe, some part of his program might be slowly succeeding than I just feel like there's nothing serious to discuss here. If people here can accept that even Ariel Sharon gets things right sometimes than I would expect that a Democrat can see the occasional right trend, even if he doesn't like the path taken to get there. If you want to take the [...] 4645 173 18_Re: from the Times0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:03:22 EST577_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/4/2005 7:08:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

Not side stepping. It's just that I hopped that, for once, we could discuss American affairs without resorting to vitriol and obscenities.

Jon ...

Well he wasn't doing vitriol. He was just referring to the Monty Python movie the Holy Grail where the French threaten "to fart in the general direction of the English Canigits" It was just this weekend that I had the epiphany that "English Canigits" was the phonetic pronunciation of "English Knights" [...] 4819 450 18_Re: from the Times11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:04:07 -0500555_windows-1255

Vitriol and obscenities? Sorry, again, it's hard to quote much monty python without a bit of good natured name calling.

I agree that some good things are happening in the world. I just don't see all them as a result of Bush's actions - I think it is at least as correct to attribute recent events to a trend started with the collapse of the Soviet empire, and no I don't give Reagan all the credit their either :-) and I think the triumphalism of those on the right is overblown and premature. I don't hate the man, but I [...] 5270 202 18_Re: from the Times0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:11:23 +0000498_- Look, I truly hope that it all works out well but I sincerely doubt it will. Certainly the election in Iraq is a good sign but it is much too early to claim victory. I'm not too sure democracy, in the majority rule sense of the word, in Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Iraq would be a particularly good thing for us. Bill Maher has a joke which rings true to me. He says, if given a choice between having Saddam as their leader or having their sister wear a mini-skirt most Iraqis would pick Saddam. [...] 5473 180 18_Re: from the Times9_carmidave20_carmdave@URIM.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:13:23 +0200546_iso-8859-1 Ahhhhh - time to crank out the old Monty Python films and brush up on them (the Holy hand grenade & What is your favorite color?) -------Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: Re: from the Times



In a message dated 3/4/2005 7:08:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes: Not side stepping. It's just that I hopped that, for once, we could discuss American affairs without resorting to vitriol and obscenities. [...] 5654 228 39_Re: Fw: Outrage! "A Family in Mourning"16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:18:27 -0500323_us-ascii I was away and didn't see this. Why not feature a story on the geniune mourning of the families of the bomber? Esp because there is a perspection that families want their children involved in these horriifc acts. The only way there weill ever be peace is if both sides decry the deaths these acts cause. Judy [...] 5883 353 39_Re: Fw: Outrage! "A Family in Mourning"5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:24:49 -0800523_iso-8859-1 Judy

I am genuinely surprised. I want to say you missed the point, but I realised that you never miss the point. So, something is going on that I cannot fathom, and maybe you can help me with it. People of good conscience DO decry the deaths on both sides. I have gone much further than that, and have never wavered in my mourning over the loss not only of the lives, but of the very childhoods of the victims on both sides, always. That is not what this was about, at least not to my understanding. [...] 6237 167 39_Re: Fw: Outrage! "A Family in Mourning"0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:37:19 +0000379_- Being a late night person, I am awake quite often at night when NPR runs BBC news and I can say I have not heard such reports over and over and over again. I have found BBC news to be rather unbiased. I also think NPR is also a good news source. There are too many people who feel one report which doesn't show Israel as the "white hats" is an indication of antisemitism. [...] 6405 285 60_Fw: The latest statistics - from Rena Cohen in Tzfat, Israel5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:33:27 -0800728_windows-1255

Forwarding for comments and ideas.

Steve

11:20 PM Subject: Fw: The latest statistics - from Rena Cohen in Tzfat, Israel





----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Cohen To: undisclosed-recipients@sa10.bezeqint.net Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: The latest statistics



For those who don't believe.... From Media Line, March 2, 2005

POVERTY AMONG ISRAELI CHILDREN WORSE THAN IN WESTERN NATIONS… A comparison of figures in a report by UNICEF (which did not include Israel) and those of Israel’s National Insurance Institute show a higher level of children living below the poverty line in Israel than in 25 Western nations studied. [...] 6691 1369 41_Fw: A New Face Using The Same Old Tactics5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:05:39 -0800600_iso-8859-1 While I agree with the tenor of this article, I think a very important point has to be made here in order to understand the depth of the problem that we and the Palestinian Arabs are facing. Whether for self-ish (self-interest) reasons or not, there are two dynamics taking place in the so-called glorification of the suicide bomber. One dynamic is political. The Palestinian Arabs have never been closer to achievement than they are at this historical juncture. Even the least astute (politically) know that to gain what they have longed for so long, a period of relative peace (and [...] 8061 1203 72_Fw: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Thursday, March 3, 2005 and 22 Adar 1st 57655_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:12:55 -0800654_iso-8859-1

There is too much of interest in this not to forward it. My apologies.

Steve



Subject: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Thursday, March 3, 2005 and 22 Adar 1st 5765



The NEWS from ISRAEL



News Resources - North America, Europe, and Asia:



a.. U.S. Turns Up Heat on Syria to Leave Lebanon - Robin Wright President Bush lashed out at Syria Wednesday as his administration outlined a strategy to increase pressure on Damascus to quickly pull out of Lebanon. Bush said a new joint U.S.-French effort declared "loud and clear to Syria: You get your troops and your secret services [...] 9265 125 18_Fw: Fw: Chandelier5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:14:47 -0800682_iso-8859-1

My sentiments exactly.

Steve



Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Chandelier









Subject: Chandelier



Old Rabbi Wolfson was begging his board of directors to buy a new chandelier for the synagogue. Pleading for more than an hour, he sat down sullen and hopeless in his ambition to acquire a chandelier.

Then the elder president of the board stood up. "vhat are we vaisting time talkin' for?" he said rhetorically. "Foist of all, a chandelier, ... we ain't got nobody who could even spell it. Second, we ain't got nobody who could even play it. And Thoid, vhat [...] 9391 762 66_Fw: ADL Headlines: A Weekly Update from the Anti-Defamation League5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:31:30 -0800752_iso-8859-1 ADLThere is stuff here to keep one busy for the next week. If you don't have time, don't even start!

Steve



----- Original Message ----- From: Anti-Defamation League To: kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: ADL Headlines: A Weekly Update from the Anti-Defamation League









a.. Why Israel Should Invest in American Jewry a.. Holocaust Denier Zundel Deported to Germany a.. Again, Farrakhan Blames Jews for Slave Trade a.. Senator's Hitler Comparison 'Offensive and Insensitive' a.. Disengagement-Holocaust Analogies Offensive a.. Rabbi's Stand on Civil Disobedience Lauded a.. Illinois Murders Bring New Scrutiny to Matt Hale a.. Hate Music [...] 10154 64 7_Article5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:05:27 -0800482_iso-8859-1 Lengthy but spell-binding article about an aspect of Islam in the US and elsewhere. Must-know information.



Steve

http://www.meforum.org/article/686

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10219 405 39_Re: Fw: Outrage! "A Family in Mourning"16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:41:56 -0500550_us-ascii Like Richard, I listen to BBC regularly and I find it to be insightful and intelligent reporting. most of the time. From my point of view, this not the story of Palestinians who encourage their children to go up in smoke but of people who are in mourning because a radical element recruited their child to kill himself as a way of murdering others. This is a story about how Palestinians are also suffering in the most terrible way at the hands of the terrorists in their midst. That seems to me to be very different than a story about [...] 10625 202 10_Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 23:37:47 +0200312_windows-1255 Hey Noam,

First of all, I'd like to apologize if I responded to your post with too much heat. I should probably take a deep breath or get up from my desk and walk around a bit before I write back to folks. No offense, I hope. It's amazing how diner and a drink can adjust your attitude. [...] 10828 53 11_Re: Article0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:51:41 EST444_US-ASCII

Steve

Why are you so obsessed with Islam? What is up with that? The baseball season is starting. What about the Red Sox.

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 10882 85 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:43:25 +0000479_- I hope you aren't too offended Jon, but I think for a person living in Israel to vote in the US election is immoral.

-------------- Original message --------------

Hey Noam,

First of all, I'd like to apologize if I responded to your post with too much heat. I should probably take a deep breath or get up from my desk and walk around a bit before I write back to folks. No offense, I hope. It's amazing how diner and a drink can adjust your attitude. [...] 10968 78 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Fri, 4 Mar 2005 22:00:24 EST348_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/4/2005 8:44:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes:

can understand it if there are aspects of Bush's domestic program you oppose. I'll admit that issues like Social Security or health care or abortions or gay marriage aren't central ones for me since I don't have to live with them. [...] 11047 139 14_Re: Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:31:11 +0200533_iso-8859-1 Sure. Absolutely. Where do I sign? ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Sorry Noam



In a message dated 3/4/2005 8:44:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes: can understand it if there are aspects of Bush's domestic program you oppose. I'll admit that issues like Social Security or health care or abortions or gay marriage aren't central ones for me since I don't have to live with them. [...] 11187 301 14_Re: Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:41:23 +0200459_windows-1255 Nope, I'm not offended. I used to feel the same way myself. But since over half a million Americans living abroad voted in the last election, I'm in good company. ----- Original Message ----- From: rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:43 AM Subject: Re: Sorry Noam



I hope you aren't too offended Jon, but I think for a person living in Israel to vote in the US election is immoral. [...] 11489 101 11_Re: Article13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:49:00 +0200377_iso-8859-1 Steve, Many thanks for bringing the article to my attention. I won't complain if you send additional info.

Moshe ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Article



Lengthy but spell-binding article about an aspect of Islam in the US and elsewhere. Must-know information. [...] 11591 53 16_solve my problem8_stangold21_stangold@INTER.NET.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:16:35 +0200450_iso-8859-1 Although I would like to see Syria out of Lebanon WHO ELECTED the U.S to stick it's nose in? HOW do I deal with this conflict of feelings ?

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 11645 113 20_Re: solve my problem13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:47:29 +0200379_iso-8859-1 Answers:

a) the American voting public. b) have a drink

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: stangold To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: solve my problem



Although I would like to see Syria out of Lebanon WHO ELECTED the U.S to stick it's nose in? HOW do I deal with this conflict of feelings ? [...] 11759 127 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:42:52 +0000293_- So, when a lot of people do an immoral thing it makes it OK, I see. With ethics like that there is little doubt you would support Bush. But then again I suppose your vote was counted in PA where Bush lost so maybe I shouldn't care.

-------------- Original message -------------- [...] 11887 95 20_Re: solve my problem0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:17:09 EST620_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/5/2005 4:15:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stangold@INTER.NET.IL writes:

Although I would like to see Syria out of Lebanon WHO ELECTED the U.S to stick it's nose in? HOW do I deal with this conflict of feelings ?



Stan here are some things to think about.

America is not alone in asking Syria to get out of Lebanon. The UN has passed a resolution demanding that Syria leave Lebanon. There is also a UN resolution demanding Hizbollah disarm. These two resolution are receiving strong support from The European Union, Russia and even Saudi Arabia. Their is a [...] 11983 89 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:23:13 EST575_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/5/2005 1:30:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

Sure. Absolutely. Where do I sign?



I suppose you are responding to me Jon. So sign the following make a posting that says you are opposed to the Bush tax cuts. Tell the Habonet community Jon, that if Bush wants to fight a war, and its a good war, the costs of this war should not be foisted on those who are least able to pay for it. Tell the Habonet community that you are appalled ( as are all the governors) about the proposed cuts to medicaid [...] 12073 421 14_Re: Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:39:28 +0200459_windows-1255 I see. My real sin is not that I voted but rather who I voted for. I doubt you would have objected if I had voted for Kerry. Talk about your "moral issues." By the way, if it makes you feel better, my vote was counted in PA but my two friends who voted for Bush here were counted in red states. ----- Original Message ----- From: rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Sorry Noam [...] 12495 159 14_Re: Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 16:45:31 +0200363_iso-8859-1 Sam , I should apologize again. I was being facetious in my previous post. Like I said before, these are not central issues for me. I also have the feeling that the situation is not exactly as you paint it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Sorry Noam [...] 12655 74 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 09:57:01 EST460_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/5/2005 9:44:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

I also have the feeling that the situation is not exactly as you paint it.

You can't have it both ways Jon. If you think that the situation is not as I paint it give your take. If you don't want to be concerned with these issues take my word that things are bad with the transfer of wealth to the wealthy in the US. Ignorance is no excuse. [...] 12730 155 14_Re: Sorry Noam13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:16:08 +0200533_iso-8859-1 Ok Sam. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. Social conditions in the USA is not an area I devote any time to. They weren't a factor in my decision whether and how to vote. My decision was based on how I perceived the two candidates and their parties would handle the war on terror and the Middle East in general. I also felt that we here at Sasa had an economic incentive. I don't really know about Medicare or Medicaid. If all this conflicts with the views I had when I was a member of a youth movement 25 years [...] 12886 137 21_Re: Sorry Sam and Jon11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:26:02 -0500488_iso-8859-1 Please take my name off the subject when you wander off into other areas of discussion. Or better yet, leave it out in the first place.

Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: Sorry Noam



In a message dated 3/5/2005 9:44:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes: I also have the feeling that the situation is not exactly as you paint it. [...] 13024 334 21_no hard feelings here11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:43:08 -0500556_windows-1255

----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Sorry Noam



Hey Noam,

First of all, I'd like to apologize if I responded to your post with too much heat. I should probably take a deep breath or get up from my desk and walk around a bit before I write back to folks. No offense, I hope. It's amazing how diner and a drink can adjust your attitude. Sure no problem Jon. I pop off without thinking all the time - I'm sure you've noticed :-) [...] 13359 93 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 12:02:00 EST631_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:15:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

Ok Sam. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. Social conditions in the USA is not an area I devote any time to

But you are none the less expressing opinions on these issues. If that is the case you owe it to yourself and to those people who are being negatively impacted to understand the implications of your vote and your opinions. Your view about the unemployment in the United States is misleading. Remember that unemployment is measured very differently in the United States and Israel. Also remembered [...] 13453 178 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:08:50 +0000539_- I believe your logic is somewhat skewed. I never said it would be alright if you voted for Kerry. Didn't mean to imply it either. If my family in Israel would have voted it would have made up for you and your friends votes and more so.

It is obviously ethically questionable, at the least, to vote in the election of one country when you live in another. It would probably delight all the populists you sent that article about to know that people whose loyalty and tax money goes to another government vote in our elections. [...] 13632 83 22_health care in America12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:50:45 -0800517_us-ascii I am one of the 45 million in America who are uninsured- many of them people between the ages of 50-65 who either lost their jobs or are in a second career, or just plain out of work. This age group is priced out of any chance of being covered not only by the private companies, but by state programs which are supposed to cover you, but set ridiculous payment schedules ( for me to be covered by the state's fund, I would have to pay out $990 a month!- unless I was on welfare, or an illegal alien, or [...] 13716 36 58_Webcast of Academic Integrity and Mid-East 3.6.05 10AM-6PM11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:54:35 -0600703_us-ascii ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ScholarsforPeace@aol.com Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:34:57 EST



I have just been advised that the Columbia University Conference on Academic Integrity and the Middle East, which I will address and co-host on Sunday morning and which is scheduled for 10AM-6PM on Sunday March 6, 2005 will be webcast at that time on _http://puck.gsb.columbia.edu:8080/asxgen/wmtencoder/spme.wmv_ (http://puck.gsb.columbia.edu:8080/asxgen/wmtencoder/spme.wmv) Featured presenters include: Alan Dershowitz, Elie Wiesel, Natan Sharansky, Nat Hentoff, myself and many other speakers We hope to showing Columbia Unbecoming as well. [...] 13753 320 14_Re: Sorry Noam12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:38:17 +0200533_windows-1255 Why, Richard? The US govt obliges US citizens living abroad to file and pay (depending on financial situation) US taxes. I, for example, am obliged to pay SS b/c I'm self-employed, even though I pay it in Israel as well, and earn far less than the income tax exclusion limit. Shouldn't I be able to vote? Or is it ok for me to vote b/c my vote suits your political priorities and not ok for Jon? It is legal to do many things that are immoral, but in my opinion,voting if you live abroad is not one of them. Shavua [...] 14074 149 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:58:17 +0000363_- Once again, it has nothing to do with who you vote for. If you are a citizen of another country, if you are loyal to another country, I think it is immoral to vote in the elections of another country.

I'm not quite sure about the tax thing. Are you saying that you have to pay income tax in the US? Social security? What would happen if you didn't? [...] 14224 200 45_Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 08:33:21 EST547_US-ASCII

Ok Sam. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. Social conditions in the USA is not an area I devote any time to

Jon, Richard says you should not vote in the US. I have a different view.

So Jon here is my feeling. If you want to vote in our election why not take an interest in the whole range of issues. You have been very vocal expressing your feelings about the situation in the Middle East. Your vote has had impact on the social conditions in the USA. You may not be interested, but now that your vote and [...] 14425 90 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:26:53 +0000345_- Since my integrity has now been challenged by two people let make this very clear, or crystal clear as Nixon use to say, I am against Jon voting in the PA election as Sam suggests too. Jon said it very clearly himself, he is not interested in gay marriage, social security, health coverage... And why should he be? It doesn't effect him. [...] 14516 295 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:48:54 +0200298_iso-8859-1 Dear Sam,

Alright, I see your point. But what if I take the time to study these issues and come to the conclusion that I agree with the Republican platform on these issues? Or if I don't want the President's support in the Senate weakened? Should I vote for Santorum in '06? [...] 14812 78 14_Re: Sorry Noam0_15_Emabear@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:20:29 EST540_US-ASCII An American citizen, living abroad, is required to pay U. S. income tax. What would happen if one didn't? We never chose to find out, being law abiding and all that. We even filed for our daughter once she was working. Her earnings were too little to pay tax but her return was filed. We could only vote in national elections, not state or municipal. I was once at the Embassy when S.S. checks arrived for American seniors living in Israel. Want to stop that too? As far as the Army, Aimee had to go to the Embassy with proof [...] 14891 105 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 10:56:41 EST395_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/6/2005 9:48:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

Dear Sam,

Alright, I see your point. But what if I take the time to study these issues and come to the conclusion that I agree with the Republican platform on these issues? Or if I don't want the President's support in the Senate weakened? Should I vote for Santorum in '06? [...] 14997 512 58_Re: Sorry Noam - for leaving your name in the subject line12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:24:32 +0200490_windows-1255 My feeling is that I should act wherever I can exercise a difference in the world. That includes exercising all privileges, whether it is moral to have them or not. If I were a millionaire I would give tons of money to causes I believed in. Is that moral? No, you might argue, since the fact that I would be able to exert more influence than others would be entirely arbitrary. But would I use it to act in a way that I thought made the world better. My moral obligation! [...] 15510 231 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 18:38:32 +0200539_iso-8859-1 Dear Sam,

I'll have to get back to you about all this. I'm willing to take the time to delve into these issues a little deeper. But I have the feeling that I still won't form any hard and fast opinions about many social and economic issues in the USA for the simple reason that I think that voters form their views on fiscal questions based on self-interest. If I lived and worked in the US, had to pay taxes, wouldn't my opinions be, at least, partially shaped by what kind of salary I earned or whether my job did [...] 15742 105 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_14_Ohanka@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 11:42:52 EST563_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/6/05 8:33:49 AM, Smfgrappa@AOL.COM writes:

<< Ok Sam. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. Social conditions in the USA is not an area I devote any time to

Jon, Richard says you should not vote in the US. I have a different view.

So Jon here is my feeling. If you want to vote in our election why not take an interest in the whole range of issues. You have been very vocal expressing your feelings about the situation in the Middle East. Your vote has had impact on the social conditions in the USA. You [...] 15848 200 29_To hank, Ken Bob, Judy G, Sam12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 09:10:12 -0800537_us-ascii While we are talking about actions, what about the possibility that the LZOA could start up a national insurance plan for people between the ages of 40-64? One of the problemes What better way to exert social action than to care about the health of members?...I had was that I had to join a group in order to be accepted. The only "group opentyo me was one set up by Bnai Zion (perhaps someone could talk to someone there)- it was a national group and had acceptable rates. In order to get the plan, one had to be a member [...] 16049 197 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 12:14:19 EST575_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/6/2005 11:38:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL writes:

Dear Sam,

I'll have to get back to you about all this. I'm willing to take the time to delve into these issues a little deeper.



That is really good. It means that we are really talking and you have heard what my point is. It is a rare moment in a chat room that people actually listen to one another and make accommodations. I very much value the fact that you have. I want to say that stronger. I feel very moved that you read my posting [...] 16247 137 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 17:20:12 +0000448_- I am at a loss to understand this. Jon doesn't pay taxes. My brother doesn't pay taxes. Are they breaking some kind of law?

I have no objection to people who paid into Social Security to receive their payments where ever they are.

If it correct that you dual citizenship folks can't vote in state elections (which, by the way, all election in the US are) then how can Jon vote in the Senate election you are all talking about? [...] 16385 86 39_americans in israel, medicare and taxes13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:22:42 +0200565_windows-1255 I do not vote in the U.S. elections, because I do not feel qualified to understand the issues there, having lived in Israel most of my life.

Nevertheless, I still must pay social security taxes of some $8,000 + a year, as is the law for self-employed Americans living abroad. However, I am not allowed to receive medicare or medicaid, unless I go to the states. The US government would do well to change this ruling, because medical care here is so much cheaper than in the States. I know Americans who go to the States for medical care on [...] 16472 414 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)12_Jessica Bonn21_jessicab@BEZEQINT.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:35:13 +0200602_windows-1255 Good q. about the exact rights to vote in State elections. Taxes: all are required to file. Most don't need to pay income tax (exclusion is around 75,000) but are still supposed to file as long as they retain citizenship. All self-employed must pay self-employment tax, no matter the earnings. No consequences unless you're audited, or you try to renew a passport and they've cross-referenced you with the IRS (I never heard of it happening but Iknow that it is a theoretical consequence of non-filing). Of course, if you have US investments you must also pay. No castigation from me [...] 16887 35 33_Re: To hank, Ken Bob, Judy G, Sam0_14_KBob24@AOL.COM30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 14:40:34 -0500569_iso-8859-1 >> Sue wrote: While we are talking about actions, what about the possibility that the LZOA could start up a national insurance plan for people between the ages of 40-64?>>

Hi Sue:

With the reorganization of the LZA as Ameinu, I am open to any idea that serves our mission (along the lines of Mao's "let a thousand flowers bloom.") As President, I would be willing to entertain something like this, but here is the deal. We are heavily a volunteer organization as we have very little staff. For example, a few Habonetters chair committees: [...] 16923 168 43_Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:20:35 -0500562_iso-8859-1 Hi Richard,

Hi Richard,

If you feel it is immoral for folks living abroad who have given their loyalty to a foreign government to vote, how do you feel about the fact that there are many US citizens who live in the US, serve in the armed forces, many of whom even serve the federal government, who cannot vote for a senator or representative in congress? I'm speaking at the moment about the residents of the US capitol, on land which was once part of our home, the sovereign state of Maryland. Is it moral that those who clean the [...] 17092 71 43_Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM28_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:28:12 EST638_US-ASCII

In a message dated 3/6/2005 3:21:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nstopak2@COMCAST.NET writes:

Is it moral that those who clean the halls of congress have no representatives (at least none with effective voting rights) tracking dirt across those floors?







No DC should be given Statehood

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 17164 231 43_Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)12_Esther Cohen22_richard.steacy@GTE.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 15:33:37 -0500613_iso-8859-1 Thank you!

esther cohen washington, dc mosh 70-75+ mb 76 workshop 27 (gesher haziv) ----- Original Message ----- From: Noam Stopak To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)



Hi Richard,

Hi Richard,

If you feel it is immoral for folks living abroad who have given their loyalty to a foreign government to vote, how do you feel about the fact that there are many US citizens who live in the US, serve in the armed forces, many of whom even serve the federal government, who cannot vote for a [...] 17396 105 43_Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:48:39 +0000593_- No, I don't.

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Hi Richard,

Hi Richard,

If you feel it is immoral for folks living abroad who have given their loyalty to a foreign government to vote, how do you feel about the fact that there are many US citizens who live in the US, serve in the armed forces, many of whom even serve the federal government, who cannot vote for a senator or representative in congress? I'm speaking at the moment about the residents of the US capitol, on land which was once part of our home, the sovereign state of Maryland. Is [...] 17502 63 43_Re: taxation and the Senate (and the House)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:50:56 +0000520_- I'd have no problem with DC voting in Maryland Senate and Congressional elections, which is much more likely to be acceptable to Congress than statehood which would mean two more Democratic senators.

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In a message dated 3/6/2005 3:21:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, nstopak2@COMCAST.NET writes: Is it moral that those who clean the halls of congress have no representatives (at least none with effective voting rights) tracking dirt across those floors? [...] 17566 190 49_Re: Jon and Richard and the Senate (long but fun)0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 22:17:47 +0000566_- I found the answer to my question with a small amount of research:

Incidentally, US citizens living abroad (whether or not they happen to be dual citizens) should be aware that they may be legally entitled to vote in US federal elections. Even if you have not had any residential ties to the US for years and have no plans to return, you may still vote in federal elections based on your last place of residence before moving away from the US. In such cases, federal law prohibits your former state from declaring you a resident for state tax purposes [...] 17757 35 8_Sad News12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM30_Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:48:26 -0500327_us-ascii It is with great sadness that I relay news of the passing of my uncle, Gerald (Yehudah) Goldfeder, who attended Camp Habonim in Red Hook, New York, from the mid-50's through the early 60's. Gerald was also active in Bronx Habonim.

Contributions in his memory may be made to the Habonim Dror Foundation at: [...] 17793 42 16_political trains0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:34:34 -0800545_us-ascii Sam wrote: Israel is like a third rail of American politics.

I thought Social Security was the third rail of American politics. Maybe political difficulties with science are extending to difficulties with mathematics. ;-)

Sharon

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ 17836 73 43_Re: americans in israel, medicare and taxes0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV30_Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:46:43 -0800584_us-ascii Pearl made a couple of comments that I just have to respond to:

>Nevertheless, I still must pay social security taxes of some $8,000 + >a year, as is the law for self-employed Americans living abroad. >However, I am not allowed to receive medicare or medicaid, unless >I go to the states. If you pay into Social Security, you (at least for now) are entitled to collect Social Security when you qualify. Paying into Social Security is not like paying for highway construction -- something that you only benefit from if you are physically in the U.S. And Pearl has [...] 17910 472 94_Fw: Not anti-Semitic, just an Israel hater - By Sever Plocker, Yedioth Ahronoth, March 6, 20055_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Mon, 7 Mar 2005 12:43:48 -0800618_UTF-8

Meet the mayor.

Steve



Subject: Not anti-Semitic, just an Israel hater - By Sever Plocker, Yedioth Ahronoth, March 6, 2005













Beyond the Facts http://www.MidEastTruth.com



What do you think about this op-ed? You can leave your comments: http://www.mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8149



Let mayor Livingstone know what you think:

By email: mayor@london.gov.uk

In writing:

Ken Livingstone Mayor of London Greater London Authority City Hall The Queen's Walk London SE1 2AA [...] 18383 159 47_Sharon: americans in israel, medicare and taxes13_Pearl Skolnik25_pskolnik@NETVISION.NET.IL30_Mon, 7 Mar 2005 22:56:13 +0200554_iso-8859-1 sharon, I do not think of cost/benefit of US citizenship. I have been eligible for social security for at least two years but never asked for it. I prefer to work. (Most of my benefits were accrued before I made aliya and over a two year period when a family crisis temporarily forced me back to the States.) By the way, Israelis are much better off with our own pension plans and forced savings than we are with social security, or so I am told. The return for investment is higher. I don't need medicare, because medical care in Israel [...] 18543 26 72_Re: Sharon: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0?= americans in israel, medicare and taxes0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM30_Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:15:39 -0500305_iso-8859-1 Pearl says

I have been eligible for social security for at least two years but never asked for it. I prefer to work.



You can work and get social security too. That is one of the changes the made to the law. You might as well take advantage of it if you paid into it. [...] 18570 75 28_Crossing the Lines/ NY Times11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:26:44 -0600523_ISO-8859-1 A bit simplistic, but food for thought instead of the arguments going on here lately.

Class Requirement: Crossing Lines on the Middle East By DAVID GONZALEZ

ecades before the rest of the world followed suit, the United Nations briefly lived in Queens. The Secretariat building may now tower over Manhattan, but the borough across the East River has arguably done a better job of bringing together people born under every flag on earth - including a few banners once carried by warring armies. [...] 18646 71 48_ISO current U Wisc Madison grad and law students16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 14:02:02 -0500426_us-ascii Dear Chevreh,

As you may know, there is a divestment fight coming up before the Union of TAs at U WIsc Madison. Eligible, warm bodies are needed for the meeting, which is next week.

Do you know any CURRENT Jewish (or fellow traveler) grad students or law students at U Wisc Madison? Please help me find them. No, this is not best done from DC but I will get them connected to people on the ground. [...] 18718 1504 71_Fw: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Monday, March 7, 2005 and 26 Adar 1st, 57655_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:26:51 -0800709_iso-8859-1

oo much of immediate interest not to send along.

Steve



Subject: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Monday, March 7, 2005 and 26 Adar 1st, 5765



The NEWS from ISRAEL



News Resources - North America, Europe, and Asia:



Bush: First PA Reform Must be Dismantling Terrorist Organizations

President Bush said Saturday in his weekly radio address: "President Abbas declared that his government is committed to chasing down and punishing those responsible for last weekend's terrorist attack in Tel Aviv. Such action is critical, because that attack is a reminder that there are still groups and individuals who will kill to prevent [...] 20223 36 6_voting0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:26:50 +0000554_- Well the tax issue will make me rethink my views on Israeli Americans voting. I had no idea that taxes were required of dual citizens in another country. However voting in the elections of two different countries does seem a tad politically polygamous to me.

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----- Original Message ----- From: rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: voting



Well the tax issue will make me rethink my views on Israeli Americans voting. I had no idea that taxes were required of dual citizens in another country. However voting in the elections of two different countries does seem a tad politically polygamous to me. [...] 20375 282 44_Daniel Pipes: "A Neo-Conservative's Caution"16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:05:10 -0500635_us-ascii



A Neo-Conservative's Caution

by Daniel Pipes March 8, 2005 http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2447



I have never quite figured out what views define a neo-conservative, and whether I am one or not, but others long ago decided this matter for me. Journalists use "neo-conservative" to describe me, editors include my writings in a neo-conservative anthology , critics plumb my views for insight into neo-conservative thinking, and event hosts invite me to represent the neo-conservative viewpoint. [...] 20658 263 46_Not that there's anything wrong with it but...11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM30_Tue, 8 Mar 2005 21:45:35 -0700393_iso-8859-1 The deeply perverted nature and actions of the neoconmen has started to surface like a boil that indicates the underlying infection and may have come to a head(!) and may soon burst. Not only do they pervert the rules of logic and debate, twisting the truth at every turn, they actually practice perversions in the privacy of their penthouses and playpens like Bohemian Grove. [...] 20922 810 50_Re: Not that there's anything wrong with it but...13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL30_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:16:45 +0200350_iso-8859-1 Thanks Phil, I haven't laughed so hard in months! God, where do you find this stuff? Even Ted Rall wouldn't write stories like this. Keep up the good work.

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Safier To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 6:45 AM Subject: Not that there's anything wrong with it but... [...] 21733 428 18_[Fwd: Caterpillar]16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM30_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:38:00 -0500592_ISO-8859-1 I got this from a friend on Shomernet. CAT stock is about $99. You just need one share to be a "shareholder". Judy Gelman * ACTION ALERT* * * · *SUPPORT CATERPILLAR COMPANY'S BUSINESS WITH ISRAEL* * * · *COUNTER THE ANTI-ISRAEL PRESSURE ON THE CATERPILLAR COMPANY* * * · *BUY CATERPILLAR STOCK if possible* * * *_BACKGROUND_* *_ _* *A coalition of anti-Israel groups, "Stop Caterpillar,"* is zeroing in on Caterpillar to make it stop selling bulldozers to Israel. Their strategy is to target a small, specific "winnable" action and use it as a launching pad to begin boycotts [...] 22162 885 65_Fw: matermind of Tel Aviv suicide bombing taught at US university5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:42:16 -0800422_iso-8859-1

So much to know: So little time!

Steve

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If your email program has difficulty viewing this page, see web version. DAILY ALERT March 9, 2005 [...] 23048 76 18_Muslim Brotherhood5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM30_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:55:09 -0800585_iso-8859-1 The Muslim Brotherhood's Conquest of Europe

by Lorenzo Vidino Middle East Quarterly Winter 2005 http://www.meforum.org/article/687





Lengthy and in depth.





Steve

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Phil probably doesn't need our encouragement when he is having his LSD-like flashbacks.

Phil- Watch your language (please). You have turned enough people off the Habonet without lowering the level of choice of swearwords. I don't have anything against Howard Stern, but this isn't a Howard Stern forum.

Steve

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So sad and so important to know.

Steve



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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 27753 60 52_Re: ISO current U Wisc Madison grad and law students0_13_JLCAA@AOL.COM28_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 13:35:38 EST564_US-ASCII I want to second Judy's request. The TA's at UW-Mad are more than bit left of center and wouldn't take kindly to interference from outsiders, which limits what the AFT in Washington can do. We need folks on the ground in Mad to take the lead. The person putting the resolution forward is from Al-Awada, a Palestinian student group. He is opposed to a two state solution and thus is opposed to Abbas and the current peace process. His efforts at divestment are not geared so much as to hurt Israel as they are to defeat Abbas. The divestment campaign [...] 27814 245 69_Re: Fw: matermind of Tel Aviv suicide bombing taught at US university12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM30_Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:53:12 -0800343_us-ascii South Florida is notorius for harboring terrorists- Perhaps it is an unsuspecting "haven" because of all of the Jews in Miami , etc...There was an incident last year at FSU regarding someone who was on the faculty and found out to be a "person of interest"....go figure...sue

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Special Dispatch - Saudi Arabia/Jihad & Terrorism Studies Project March 11, 2005 No. 877 [...] 29020 216 60_Galil dinner honoring the Schulman's of Princeton March 26th15_Steven Weinberg19_chaversteve@MAC.COM31_Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:07:19 -0500391_WINDOWS-1252 Chevre, Shalom

Camp Galil will be honoring the Schulman family of Princeton at a dinner on Saturday, March 26th at Temple Adath Israel in Lawrenceville, NJ right off I-95.

If every Haboniim camp had but one family like this one supporting it, we would be very lucky.

For more info on this extraordinary Galil event, please see www.campgalil.org/dinner [...] 29237 59 64_Re: Galil dinner honoring the Schulman's of Princeton March 26th16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:20:26 -0500496_us-ascii Dear Steve, Thank you for sharing this. It is truly inspiring to see what this family has done to ensure that their daughter's memory is a blessing to so many. Judy Gelman





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Dorian Lynskey Friday March 11, 2005

Guardian

Rappers feud with each other the world over. Sometimes there's a reason, such as a perceived slur or a business arrangement turned sour; other times it's simply a matter of colliding egos. And sometimes, it's about the future of the state of Israel. Kobi Shimoni and Tamer Nafar are [...] 30084 37 3_BBC0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:32:19 +0000289_- Was listening to BBC radio news two nights ago when they had a story in a series they had been running on people who had been effected by terrorism. In this story they had the widow of one of the Israeli athletes killed in Munich in 1972. Another example of their anti-Israel bias. [...] 30122 44 19_The Bible as it was11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:01:51 -0600596_ISO-8859-1 In late March 2005 the Nahum Goldmann Alumni Online Magazine will open its second online course in cooperation with the Jewish Heritage Online Magazine. You may register on the homepage of JHOM.com. http://www.jhom.com

The course, to be moderated by Prof. James Kugel of Harvard University and Bar Ilan University, is entitled The Bible As It Was, based on his awarding-winning book of the same name. The 6-lesson course is free, and will be conducted via email listserve over a period of six weeks. We will also have accessible online an audio interview with Prof. Kugel. [...] 30167 125 7_Re: BBC13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:32:57 +0200700_windows-1255 Richard - and anyone else who is interested in the BBC's anti-Israel bias - you should read this:

http://www.bbcwatch.com/july04.html

All the best,

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: BBC



Was listening to BBC radio news two nights ago when they had a story in a series they had been running on people who had been effected by terrorism. In this story they had the widow of one of the Israeli athletes killed in Munich in 1972. Another example of their anti-Israel bias. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [...] 30293 96 7_Re: BBC0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:10:28 +0000380_- I read it. As I read it it seems to refer to BBC TV which I don't, and can't, watch and therefore will not try to defend. The authors make some compelling arguments but I would like to see the shows they refer to as anti-Israel before I accept their interpretations. I can only listen to BBC radio after midnight here and from what I've heard its seemed pretty good to me. [...] 30390 195 17_Re: Over the line5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:13:06 -0800462_iso-8859-1 Richard

My suggestion about taste and decorum had nothing to do with persecuting or prosecuting either Lenny Bruce or Phil. It was only about taste and decorum, and it was only a request and a suggestion. I often find it hard to understand how you get these things jumbled.

Just as a reminder, Richard Nixon used the word far more often than Lenny Bruce. I enjoyed Lenny. I hated Nixon (and his token Jewish sychophant, Kissinger). [...] 30586 97 17_Re: Over the line11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:28:31 -0500571_iso-8859-1 Thanks Steve, I needed a good laugh. Taste and decorum and how others get things jumbled. Keep 'em coming. ROTFLMAO

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: Over the line



Richard

My suggestion about taste and decorum had nothing to do with persecuting or prosecuting either Lenny Bruce or Phil. It was only about taste and decorum, and it was only a request and a suggestion. I often find it hard to understand how you get these things jumbled. [...] 30684 257 46_Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:49:10 -0800498_iso-8859-1 Fellow Habonet members

Below is recent correspondence between Richard and me. While you are reading the exchange, please know that I do not care about the acrimoniousness of the discussion. That has become routine and even boring. What I am concerned with is the crossing of certain lines of not only good taste, but of libelousness. I don't know how we got to this low point, but I fear that the lack of boundaries will cause our wonderful asset, Habonet, to self-destruct. [...] 30942 105 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:03:25 EST429_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM writes:

1. Am I too sensitive about the fragility of Habonet?

2. Do we wish to have Habonet open to no-limit obscenity?

3. Do we wish to have Habonet open to no-limit name-calling, as example below?

4. What are your varied opinions on what a response could or should be to Richard's accusations?' [...] 31048 136 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:34:17 -0500474_us-ascii Dear Steve,

I know you are really upset. I am not defending Richard for sending you this email but these are private emails. If you didn't send them to Habonet, no one else would know about them.

I am not a lawyer but my understanding of the law is that it is only libel if someone makes false allegations in public. What he says to you privately may be nasty and hurtful but it is a private issue of your very bad relationship with one another. [...] 31185 46 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve0_13_SC523@AOL.COM29_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:20:30 EST475_US-ASCII Judy,

So well-said for many of us!

Thanks for a careful and well-focused response - Aliya

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So you encourage people to send private email, but you make clear that you have no problem with publishing private communications which you have solicited on other occasions. Your promise of anonymity is ludicrous.

You are "sensitive about the fragility of Habonet" while continuing to serve as a funnel for all sorts of venomous hate filled messages from various sources, while attacking those who write their own views (the purpose of this forum) which happen to differ from your own. Can you articulate how your actions work toward preventing the destruction you fear? [...] 31595 491 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:14:03 -0800368_iso-8859-1 Dear Noam

First of all, thank you for your input. It is valuable. I am not sure how to tally it, but I may put it into a third category, advocating the status quo. That may, after all, be the general opinion finally expressed. I am assuming a total "registered voter" list of around 330. Abstentions will probably have to go into this category. [...] 32087 242 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 09:31:50 -0800299_iso-8859-1 Judy

Well said and well taken. I appreciate your taking the time and effort to help me (and others) deal with the problem. I am still human, and some of the stuff makes me nuts. I vow to let most of it go. I will probably get better at it in time, and become a better person. [...] 32330 54 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:38:01 -0500 32385 311 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0500541_us-ascii Dear Steve,

What does it matter if 85% of the people say "it's not nice to use bad words" or if only 15% do?

I gave you my advice in detail and so I am not going to comment on whether I think it is more or less insulting to call someone a "c--ks--k-r" vs calling someone an obnoxious, groveling ignoramus. My viewpoint doesn't fit neatly into some sort of scoring system of "for bad words" vs "against bad words". I am not going to be drawn into that dichotomy because I think it is irrelevant. The point is that [...] 32697 22 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:22:33 -0500517_us-ascii PS - I know, I know: I thought I'd say it myself before anybody else bothers to say it.

I need to follow my own advice more often. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

David

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This is an old posting from "the Onion" an On-Line Satire magazine. I read it there. I hope you know that this is satire and posted it in that spirit. But being that you did not cite as being from an on-line satire you leave open the possibility that someone would not know that this is a joke. Or maybe I missed it and you did say that was taken from "The Onion" [...] 32931 109 47_re Azmi Bishara , member of the Israeli Knesset13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:03:17 +0200344_iso-8859-1 Most of you know my position vis a vis the Arab members of the Knesset. I have written about it in the past and will continue to do so until such time that their loyalty to the State of Israel changes. That may be never but in the meantime, the following shoulld enlighten you about the Fifth Coloumn in our midst, Azmi Bishara [...] 33041 67 25_Re: psychological warfare0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:52:05 +0000672_- Perhaps when they finish in Afghanistan they could do their work in a number of red states here, but we'll call them Freedom Intellectuals.

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French Intellectuals to be Deployed in Afghanistan To Convince Taleban of Non-Existence of God The ground war in Afghanistan hotted up yesterday when the Allies revealed plans to airdrop a platoon of crack French existentialist philosophers into the country to destroy the morale of Taleban zealots by proving the non-existence of God. Elements from the feared Jean-Paul Sartre Brigade, or 'Black Berets', will be parachuted into the combat zones to spread doubt, [...] 33109 61 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:15:22 -0700430_us-ascii Steverino,

Worrying about being called homophobic is sooo gay! Is that why the C word bothers you so? As far as the racist charge... it sounds like one of those damned Sand Niggers put Richard up to it.

Hang tough amigo. Don't let the bastards get you down. You keep on dishing it out and racking up those brownie points in the Book of Life(tm). Just because you can't take it don't mean diddly squat. [...] 33171 150 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:24:13 -0500329_iso-8859-1 Phil,

Personal insults and offensive language have there place (I love Zappa, an equal opportunity offender if there ever was one), but really, I think this is too much. I completely understand your desire to lash out at Steve because he attacked you, but have you considered, um, turning the other cheek? [...] 33322 218 50_Re: Interesting exchange between Richard and Steve11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:15:19 -0500346_iso-8859-1 Dear Steve,

Regarding your tally difficulties. If you are really interested in binary votes, please present the choices clearly. For what it's worth, I'm with David for more free speech rather than less, though if the truth be told I'd rather see more personal expression and less forwarding of articles written by others. [...] 33541 125 24_Re: Psycholgical Warfare13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:27:02 +0200591_iso-8859-1 Sam, I didn't find it at The Onion. Yes, I know it's satire.

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Psycholgical Warfare



Jon

This is an old posting from "the Onion" an On-Line Satire magazine. I read it there. I hope you know that this is satire and posted it in that spirit. But being that you did not cite as being from an on-line satire you leave open the possibility that someone would not know that this is a joke. Or maybe I missed it and you did say [...] 33667 37 35_Where in the World is Amnon Hadari?12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:25:54 -0800555_us-ascii I may be alone in this, but it seems as if the "level of Habonet" has deteriorated to be a location of "little boy battles," and a place where male egos can be fed by name-calling. To me, it is saved only by Judy's sensible interjections, and Roz Barland's interesting postings of links of scholastic interest. Anything else I need to know, I can get from kol yisrael or JTA. I am by no means gay, but unfortunately, the boys on the list, except for maybe Phil Safier's knife-wielding humor, have turned me off from even reading most of the [...] 33705 208 51_Re: re Azmi Bishara , member of the Israeli Knesset12_David Mandel20_dlmandel@PACBELL.NET31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:29:08 -0800632_iso-8859-1 And what, exactly do you find to be the problem with what Azmi Bishara said? You may support the Sharon government's (and its predecessors') opportunistic meddling in regional politics while he (and many other Israelis) oppose it, but do you really have any doubt that it's a reality? As for the substance, "meddling" is really much too weak a term. Invading, occupying and threatening one's neighbors while occasionally (at least) engaging in covert sabotage inside their borders is hardly an effective way to build the good relations with them without which it's hard to envision anything approaching a secure and [...] 33914 221 51_Re: re Azmi Bishara , member of the Israeli Knesset11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:40:56 -0500587_iso-8859-1 Regardless of what one thinks about the loyalties of the Arab members of the Knesset (or of the loyalties of Likud members of the Knesset or those of any other party for that matter), I find Bishara's quotes below to be an accurate description of what is going on in terms of the pressure on Syria. I'm guessing that your objection is to the reference to occupied Arab territories as well as the reference to national resistance movements. One can find statements from the leaders of the settlers movement and their friends in the Knesset which are equally dismissive of [...] 34136 193 32_First notice--Ameinu Event in DC16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:32:20 -0500409_ISO-8859-1 *DC AND BALTIMORE AREA HABONET MEMBERS* --I URGE YOU TO COME AND BRING FRIENDS. Also please forward this to local listserves of people interested in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.



Ameinu presents

Admiral (ret) Ami Ayalon of "The People's Voice"

Monday, April 11, 7:45 pm in the Adat Shalom Sanctuary

(Refreshments will be served in the foyer at 7:15pm.) [...] 34330 191 12_This just in0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:12:50 EST387_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/15/2005 6:51:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, nstopak2@COMCAST.NET writes:



I think there will always be conflict in the region until both sides learn to view each other and live as neighbors rather than seeing the other as a fifth column.

That probably goes for habonet too :-)

The Weekly Reader March 15 2005 Eyove HaSovail [...] 34522 51 16_Re: This just in16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:14:17 -0500419_us-ascii Sam, Kol hakavod on your exclusive report! Judy

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-----Original Message----- From: Judith R. Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:14:17 -0500 Subject: Re: This just in



Sam, Kol hakavod on your exclusive report! Judy





The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies. To unsubscribe email HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG [...] 34849 2158 46_Shamir becomes first kibbutz company on Nasdaq16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:53:02 -0500 37008 724 11_Purim in NM11_Phil Safier17_psafier@ELIXA.COM31_Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:43:53 -0700396_iso-8859-1 Sam,

Thanks for the wonderful peace piece. You are truly spreading freedom and democracy. I laughed. I cried.

While some on this list would cast Pearl before swine, I'd love to shake my large wooden grager* like a big dog with her at one of our local Purim bashim. As my festive friend Rabbi Flicker says below... “Purim is supposed to be fun for Jews of all ages.” [...] 37733 115 50_Re: Shamir becomes first kibbutz company on Nasdaq11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:37:17 -0500477_iso-8859-1 Hmmm. Presbyopia - the inability to focus on things nearby, corrected by progressive lenses from kibbutz.

Sounds like there is a religio-political joke just waiting to be born here....

Get down tonight*! Shake your grager!

Noam

*ok, how about next Friday night? ----- Original Message ----- From: Judith R. Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Shamir becomes first kibbutz company on Nasdaq [...] 37849 412 18_Looking for a home0_14_LHIAM1@AOL.COM29_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:24:24 EST552_US-ASCII

Chevre, I have good news and I have bad news. Habonim Dror Camp Naaleh is growing and with hope will fill it's rental site to capacity this summer. For us to continue to grow and to make the impact on the New York plus Jewish community that we can and that the community needs and deserves, we need a bigger place. We are looking to find a permanent home and as such have created a Site Search Committee. The committee is being chaired by Barry Temkin a Naaleh graduate and an active member of our Camp Committee. Barry has asked [...] 38262 175 34_Re: Ameinu event--In a larger font0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:54:58 +0000363_- Judy,

While using map quest to find directions to the event it claimed that they could find no Persimmon Tree Lane but could find Persimmon Tree Road. Would that be the same?

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I am told that the last version came to some people in an iitty-bitty type so I am trying my best to enlarge it. [...] 38438 171 34_Re: Ameinu event--In a larger font0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:55:22 +0000414_- Didn't mean to send that to everyone, sorry.

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I am told that the last version came to some people in an iitty-bitty type so I am trying my best to enlarge it.

DC AND BALTIMORE AREA HABONET MEMBERS --I URGE YOU TO COME AND BRING FRIENDS. Also please forward this to local listserves of people interested in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. [...] 38610 174 59_Fw: Denmark mosque: Women who go to hairdressers go to Hell5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:56:48 -0800495_iso-8859-1 Fellow Habonetters

I think I have finally figured out the reasons for the accusations of "racism" and "hate mail" that were directed toward me. It took me a while, but here is my theory: In the past, I have sent along links to articles and written some of my own, on the subject of my fears, concerns and yes, paranoia, associated with the spread of radical and militant Islam, and focus on the horrors of many of the actions that its adherents have commited in its name. [...] 38785 42 19_Purim In New Mexico0_17_smfgrappa@AOL.COM31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 15:59:23 -0500546_us-ascii Phil

Go figure that you would be so quick to start the peace dialgouge. Purim in New Mexico is the key to peace on Habonet. I will write to Eeyove HoSovail at the weekly reader and let him know what an nice Job you did.

Sam

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http://www.edu-negev.gov.il/ron/

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 38851 191 42_Directions to April 11 Ameinu Ayalon Event16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:29:04 -0500340_us-ascii hope all of you in the DC and Balt area come to hear Adm (ret.) Ami Ayalon on April 11. . I will send more about his People's voice Initiative as the event approaches.



Adm Ayalon is also coming to NY, Detroit, LA and one other city (either Chicago or SF--it isn't uncertain, it is just my memory that is bad, ) [...] 39043 61 22_Re: Looking for a home0_18_normk@ADELPHIA.NET31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 21:53:36 -0500587_utf-8

Well I am green with envy. I can only suggest you contact the local American Camping Association. They list camps for sale or rent.

Best of Luck

Norm



---- LHIAM1@AOL.COM wrote:

Chevre, I have good news and I have bad news. Habonim Dror Camp Naaleh is growing and with hope will fill it's rental site to capacity this summer. For us to continue to grow and to make the impact on the New York plus Jewish community that we can and that the community needs and deserves, we need a bigger place. We are looking to find a permanent home [...] 39105 676 9_must read11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:18:16 -0500555_iso-8859-1 So is it bias against Jews, or coincidence?

You make the call

Noam

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March 16, 2005 Case Stirs Fight on Jews, Juries and Execution By DEAN E. MURPHY

AKLAND, Calif., March 15 - The convictions of dozens of death-row inmates in California are coming under legal scrutiny because of accusations that Jews and black women were excluded from juries in capital trials in Alameda County as "standard practice." [...] 39782 151 37_Ameinu Ayalon Events in North America0_14_kbob24@AOL.COM31_Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:48:16 -0500465_us-ascii Just to help Judy's memory :-).

Amy Ayalon will be speaking in NY, Washington, SF and LA on April 10-17, sponsored by Ameinu. AS soon as we have a reasonable final schedule, we will post on the Ameinu website and I will put the link here.

Ken Bob

-----Original Message----- From: Judith R. Gelman To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: Directions to April 11 Ameinu Ayalon Event [...] 39934 124 13_Re: must read0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:59:28 -0800477_us-ascii While I condemn racial and religious profiling, I'd call this bias in favor of Jews. If people assume that because someone is Jewish, they automatically oppose the death penalty, then we have an undeserved and IMHO good reputation.

Sharon









Noam Stopak Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 03/16/2005 07:18 PM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh [...] 40059 123 41_Re: Ameinu Ayalon Events in North America12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:25:28 -0800546_us-ascii Ken- do you have a short bio- adn schedule for LA??- Perhaps we could do an interview for our TV show, or article for the paper...sue --- kbob24@AOL.COM wrote: > Just to help Judy's memory :-). > > Amy Ayalon will be speaking in NY, Washington, SF > and LA on April 10-17, sponsored by Ameinu. AS soon > as we have a reasonable final schedule, we will post > on the Ameinu website and I will put the link here. > > Ken Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judith R. Gelman > To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG > Sent: [...] 40183 112 27_Triangle Fire Commemoration16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:51:07 -0500485_us-ascii Triangle Fire Commemoration 94th Anniversary of Workplace Disaster

What: In 1911, 146 young immigrant garment workers died in a tragic fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in New York City. This tragedy galvanized a city to fight for labor reforms and for fire safety in the workplace.

Each year, UNITE HERE joins with the Fire Department of New York to commemorate those who died and to rededicate ourselves to the struggle for safety in the workplace. [...] 40296 175 31_Re: Triangle Fire Commemoration0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:00:47 -0800750_iso-8859-1 I wish I could be there to play the pipes -- it sounds like a wonderful commemoration.

Sharon







"Elihu D. Davison" Sent by: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh 03/18/2005 09:51 AM Please respond to Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh



To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG cc: Subject: Triangle Fire Commemoration



Triangle Fire Commemoration 94th Anniversary of Workplace Disaster What: In 1911, 146 young immigrant garment workers died in a tragic fire at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory in New York City. This tragedy galvanized a city to fight for labor reforms and for fire safety in the workplace. Each year, UNITE HERE joins [...] 40472 649 56_[QUAR]Letting Israel Sell Itself - IPF Friday Volume 21816_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:42:16 -0500587_us-ascii

Washington DC, March 18, 2005 Issue # 218

Letting Israel Sell Itself

A new poll on the attitudes of American Jews had some disturbing, if not surprising results. The poll is the work of Professor Steven M. Cohen of the Melton Center at the Hebrew University.*

Cohen is the most distinguished pollster specializing in Jewish attitudes and, accordingly, his polls are always eagerly awaited in the community. Cohen polls affect the programs and policies of Jewish organizations and one can expect his latest findings to resonate for a long time. [...] 41122 93 17_Clean our mess up11_lewis levin19_lyaron@INTER.NET.IL31_Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:11:23 +0200627_windows-1255 American woman that was interviewed said proudly that even her dog has marked out her territory and that she had cleaned up after it. She then added that we should always clean our mess up.





I think that this exactly what Sharon is trying to do. Clean our mess up.





arie

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Judy Gelman

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A letter showing CAIR's progress toward justice, tolerance and mutual understanding.

Steve



Subject: Dell Computers must accommodate Muslim prayer 5 times a day







- Alhamdulillah (Praise be to God.)

MUSLIMS REACH SETTLEMENT WITH DELL, SPHERION ON WORKPLACE PRAYER Deal includes reinstatement, back pay and religious accommodation

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/17/05) - A prominent national Islamic civil rights and advocacy group today announced that Muslim contract employees at a Dell Inc. plant in Nashville, Tenn., have reached a settlement with the computer giant on issues related to a recent dispute over prayer in the workplace. [...] 41693 31 35_Alte Kaker aliyah and great website12_Sue Liberman20_fiddlebach@YAHOO.COM31_Sun, 20 Mar 2005 09:05:49 -0800505_us-ascii Shavua tov- firstly- is there anyone out there still thinking of aliyah or "re-aliyah" sometime in the future- 6-07??? If so, please email me privately. Secondly, there is a terrific website if you are interested in Jerusalem..it is: www.jerusalem.muni.il.....anything you want to know is there and very updated...enjoy-sue





__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ [...] 41725 343 24_Fw: Turn Off The NPR Tap5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:32:35 -0800560_utf-8 I know we have a lot of NPR fans, but it is good to hear other sides of the story. This is not being forwarded out of hate or racism.

Steve

Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:57 PM Subject: Turn Off The NPR Tap



When NPR comes 'tapping on your door' asking you to support their effort, keep the information below in mind as you tell them why you are turning off the tap. Please share this message with all those on your list. This is the message that NPR will understand. Jack ============================================= [...] 42069 101 28_Re: Fw: Turn Off The NPR Tap0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:19:47 EST586_US-ASCII

In a message dated 3/20/2005 5:35:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM writes:

I know we have a lot of NPR fans, but it is good to hear other sides of the story. This is not being forwarded out of hate or racism.

Steve







You know what Steve. I listen to NPR all the time and this babe is full of crap. I have learned so much about the dangers of Hizzbollah and Hamas from the likes of Terry Gross. I don't know where you find this crap but it was one more indication that you need to stop watching Fox [...] 42171 125 28_Re: Fw: Turn Off The NPR Tap0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:03:15 +0000523_- Andrea Levin and CAMERA are so one-sided, so myopic, so paranoid that, "taking their word for it," could be used against someone at a competency hearing.

Three years ago they were lionizing the New Yorker writer Jeffrey Goldberg for his articles on Hizballah while last year he was the victim of their hit machine when he wrote an article critical of the West Bank settlers, accusing him of self-hatred and worse. Goldberg himself has accused CAMERA of not being pro-Israel, but of being pro-settler instead. [...] 42297 170 28_Re: Fw: Turn Off The NPR Tap14_Allan Pristoop17_cpristoo@BCPL.NET31_Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:03:56 -0500348_iso-8859-1 This is such a flaming response, and so distasteful and offensive as to make me consider signing off Habonet altogether. Please be more respectful of each other. Allan S. Pristoop ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Turn Off The NPR Tap [...] 42468 106 54_Re: excluding Jews from juries for death penalty cases11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:38:13 -0500400_iso-8859-1 Sharon,

While many prefer to avoid jury duty, especially in capital cases, I think it is very dangerous to permit any group to be excluded from the civic duty/right to participate in deciding these important issues.

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: must read [...] 42575 17 56_And more anti-Semitism on college campus- Hunter College11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:18:54 -0600435_us-ascii http://www.campusj.com/index.php?section=news&id=28&album_id=21

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 42593 70 25_ADDITIONAL E-MAIL ADDRESS13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:18:42 +0200300_iso-8859-1 As a result of the various articles that I send, my server continues to remind me that my e-mail box is full and I will lose messages sent unless I download them. This isn't always possible and in order to ease the pressure, I would appreciate if you would send your e-mail to me at: [...] 42664 18 31_The new Yad Va'Shem museum site11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:46:29 -0600423_us-ascii http://www1.yadvashem.org/new_museum/galleries.html

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 47377 331 26_Islamic Obsessive Disorder0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:46:16 EST700_US-ASCII



Deconstructing Islamic Obsessive Disorder Abraham Meshuneh Ph.D.& Isaac Moozar M.D. Journal of Subjective-Objective Psych March 2005 Volume 51, 221-223

Abstract: Recent preoccupation with Islamic fundamentalist may be leading to a new diagnostic category, Islamic Obsessive Disorder. A case study is offerred to expidite further clinical research.

Since the recent terror attacks in New York (New York Time, September 12th 2001) and the ongoing war on terror, there have been increasing literature of a new type of obsessive where the total of the focus of the obsession is Islam (Levy & Bootras 2003:Smith, Smith, Smith, Abdul & Lebowitz 2002). While the [...] 47709 116 22_Re: Dylan - Chronicles14_Tova SIlverman26_tovasilverman@NETSCAPE.NET31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:45:04 +0200643_us-ascii KBob24@AOL.COM wrote:

>>>BTW- Dylan's book is very enjoyable though not particularly revealing. Anyone else read it yet? >>> >>> > >Yup, enjoyed it. Being from Mpls, I particularly liked the sections on the folk scene there before he hit the Village. > >Ken > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > .Dear Ken,

Did not know you in Minneapolis. Northsider myself. In fact, I entered the University of Minnesota at the same time as Bob Dylan. He came off the Rock and Roll Circuit at the time and came into the city. I understand he joined SAM (Sigma Alpha Mu) but did not like [...] 47826 37 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder0_26_Sharon_Gates@LONGBEACH.GOV31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:08:48 -0800348_us-ascii Wonderful! Thanks, Sam.

Sharon

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47864 363 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:37:35 +0200615_iso-8859-1 Steve Shalom, I too have been accused of racism and being obsessed with Islamic fundametalists. I can now assume that we are one of the few crazy ones. Yes, like that Quaker saying, "all the world is crazy except thee and me.....". Perhaps the both of us should now join and organize a support group dealing with Deconstructing Islamic Obsessive Disorder. Perhaps you know of Muslims who have the same debiletating disease but naturally against non-Muslims, perrhaps we can arrange a mutual support group. I guess that being obessessed means that our meeting would be held under police scrutiny and [...] 48228 662 58_Fw: Speech Brigitte Gabriel Columbia Univ Mar 6 2005-Lenny13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:02:43 +0200439_utf-8 An interesting item I just received and would like to share with you all. your number two racist.

Moshe Hulda

To: moshe-gmail Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: Fw: Speech Brigitte Gabriel Columbia Univ Mar 6 2005-Lenny



Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Speech Brigitte Gabriel Columbia Univ Mar 6 2005-Lenn ========================================================= [...] 48891 420 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@SASA.ORG.IL31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:08:18 +0200606_iso-8859-1 Steve,

Jeremiah 5:21

Ezekiel 33:7

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Islamic Obsessive Disorder





Deconstructing Islamic Obsessive Disorder Abraham Meshuneh Ph.D.& Isaac Moozar M.D. Journal of Subjective-Objective Psych March 2005 Volume 51, 221-223

Abstract: Recent preoccupation with Islamic fundamentalist may be leading to a new diagnostic category, Islamic Obsessive Disorder. A case study is offerred to expidite further clinical research. [...] 49312 181 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:38:27 +0000502_- And now we are down to sending coded messages.

-------------- Original message --------------

Steve,

Jeremiah 5:21

Ezekiel 33:7

Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: Smfgrappa@AOL.COM To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: Islamic Obsessive Disorder





Deconstructing Islamic Obsessive Disorder Abraham Meshuneh Ph.D.& Isaac Moozar M.D. Journal of Subjective-Objective Psych March 2005 Volume 51, 221-223 [...] 49494 63 20_The Red State danger0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:45:30 +0000580_- There have been those on this list who have poo-pooed some of our concerns about what the support for Bush in this country means for our future. I think this article from the AP (I am sure they are liberal-biased):

Evolution Reference Hurts Volcano Film By Associated Press Wed Mar 23, 10:00 AM CHARLESTON, S.C. - IMAX theaters in several Southern cities have decided not to show a film on volcanoes out of concern that its references to evolution might offend those with fundamental religious beliefs. "We've got to pick a film that's going to sell in our area. If [...] 49558 90 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:07:40 EST423_US-ASCII In a message dated 3/23/2005 6:39:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET writes:

And now we are down to sending coded messages.



-------------- Original message -------------- Steve,

Jeremiah 5:21

Ezekiel 33:7





These are the kinds of things the born agains hold up at football games to get people to read a specific passage in the bible. [...] 49649 52 24_Re: The Red State danger0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:08:41 EST475_US-ASCII Thank you for posting this. Liberal bias or not this anit evolution stuff is very worrisome.

Sam

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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 49702 30 8_Sad news17_Annette Bar-Cohen22_barcohen@STARPOWER.NET31_Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:57:39 -0500420_iso-8859-1 We are saddened to let you know that Shimshon Markowitz, z"l, father of Avi (Markowitz) Bar-Cohen passed away yesterday at the age of 91 in Washington DC. He was born in Jerusalem and was part of 6 generations of family born in Israel. He was active in Poale Zion and Habonim along with his beloved wife, Dutchy Markowitz, z"l and will be buried next to her in Jerusalem on Friday at Etz Chaim cemetery. [...] 49733 17 28_New Website: Israelis Abroad11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:17:12 -0600421_us-ascii http://www.israelisabroad.com/?agent_camp=6514001

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pearl

----- Original Message ----- From: "Annette Bar-Cohen" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 3:57 AM Subject: Sad news



> We are saddened to let you know that Shimshon Markowitz, z"l, father of Avi > (Markowitz) Bar-Cohen passed away yesterday at the age of 91 in Washington > DC. He was born in Jerusalem and was part of 6 generations of family born > in Israel. He was active in Poale Zion and [...] 49803 120 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:11:47 -0500314_iso-8859-1 Hi Jon,

Not sure I can crack the code.

Re: Jeremiah 5:21 - are you saying we should fear God or Islam or ???

Re: Ezekiel 33:7 - are you saying that Steve is, in the immortal words of Jake and Elwood Blues, "on a mission from God"?

"Buy as many Blues albums as you can!" [...] 49924 167 58_Re: Speech Brigitte Gabriel Columbia Univ Mar 6 2005-Lenny11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:59:52 -0500470_utf-8 Did someone call you a racist Moshe or are you self-selecting?

I agree with one thing from the article for sure: "I believe hate-motivated indoctrination fosters irrational thinking and faulty reasoning".

Happy Purim, drink a shot of schnaps for me...

Noam ----- Original Message ----- From: moshe sheskin To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Fw: Speech Brigitte Gabriel Columbia Univ Mar 6 2005-Lenny [...] 50092 59 23_Re: C-SPAN controversy]11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak2@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:38:22 -0500610_iso-8859-1 Here's a follow up to the item Judy sent last week.

Noam

+++ March 25, 2005 C-Span's Coverage of a Book About the Holocaust

To the Editor:

Re "C-Span Plan to Cover Talk on Holocaust Is Under Fire" (news article, March 18):

C-Span's statement that it was prevented from covering my new book, "History on Trial," because "Professor Lipstadt closed her book discussions to our cameras," is disingenuous. I told C-Span that I would welcome coverage, but not if my talk was juxtaposed with one by David Irving, a man British courts found to be a Holocaust denier. [...] 50152 92 23_Re: C-SPAN controversy]0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:32:27 +0000537_- Completely off topic, but can someone explain to me why my e-mail claims that Noam's message below was recieved at 11:42 on March 25 when it is 7:32 on March 25 right now?

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> Here's a follow up to the item Judy sent last week. > > Noam > > +++ > March 25, 2005 > C-Span's Coverage of a Book About the Holocaust > > To the Editor: > > Re "C-Span Plan to Cover Talk on Holocaust Is Under Fire" (news article, > March 18): > > C-Span's statement that it was prevented from [...] 50245 2227 71_Fw: Group files civil rights complaint against Univeristy of California5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:53:12 -0800594_iso-8859-1 Message Following action (and inaction) at the Irvine campus.

Steve



Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:12 PM Subject: Fw: Group files civil rights complaint against Univeristy of California





















Courtesy of the Jewish Journal





Muslim cleric Amir Abdel Malik Ali speaks at a Muslim Student Union event at UC Irvine, Feb. 2.









www.jta.org/

Group files civil rights complaint against the University of California [...] 52473 299 76_Fw: please subscribe to Muslim World Today!! We must help our Muslim friend!5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:59:49 -0800438_iso-8859-1

I've heard Sayyed speak, and I subscribe to his paper. I am sending in another contribution for him to continue his valuable work. Check himout, please.

Steve



Subject: please subscribe to Muslim World Today!! We must help our Muslim friend!











PLEASE HELP SUPPORT A MUSLIM HERO TASHBIH SAYYED

Fighting the War Against Islamic Fundamentalism [...] 52773 463 66_Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:46:03 -0800551_iso-8859-1

Please help the companies (including Caterpillar) that continue to support Israel. The pro-divestment criminals would love your inaction on this matter.

Steve



Subject: Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure





-------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- To: "active4israel@socal.rr.com" Subject: Your LETTER NEEDED !ASAP! to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:06:44 +0000 Dear Friends of Israel, [...] 53237 1501 75_Fw: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 and 12 Adar 2nd, 57655_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:51:05 -0800710_iso-8859-1

Too much news of interest and importance not to send.

Steve





PM Subject: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Wednesday, March 23, 2005 and 12 Adar 2nd, 5765



The NEWS from ISRAEL



News Resources - North America, Europe, and Asia:



Sharon: Israel Has No Intention of Striking Iranian Nuclear Sites

"Israel has no intention of attacking Iran and continues to support the diplomatic efforts of the international community, in particular the U.S., to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons," a top official quoted Prime Minister Sharon as saying during talks with a visiting delegation from the U.S. Congress. (AFP/Yahoo) [...] 54739 73 70_Re: Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure0_13_Mmxmm@AOL.COM29_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:53:44 EST564_US-ASCII

Steve,

I am not for divestment however calling someone who believes this to be a reasonable strategy 'criminal' is simply criminal....maybe nuts...which is it?

marc margolis

The pro-divestment criminals







------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 54813 224 24_Re: The Red State danger5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:59:23 -0800448_iso-8859-1 I don't know if I am on the list of those that "poo-poo", but regardless, I am appalled by this sort of highjacking by the religious fundamentalist nutcases, and disgusted with the cow-towing to them. It is dangerous and backwards. While I am up here on the soapbox, let me add that Bush and company's stand on the Shiabo case will come back and bite them. Hannety, O'Reilly, Limbaugh. . . .are all shooting themselves in the foot. [...] 55038 552 30_Re: Islamic Obsessive Disorder5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:11:29 -0800482_iso-8859-1 Richard

What can I tell ya. A fine piece of writing. Even though I might be the "K" in question, I got a good deal of enjoyment from the satire. Your talent is wasted. I mean that in the best of intentions. Have you published? You should. You put a whole boatload of effort into this piece (I am honored), but it will be read by very few. I know you don't need it, but you have my permission to send this out for any kind of publication you wish. It is GOOD! [...] 55591 60 10_Correction5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:19:29 -0800532_iso-8859-1 I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest. I mistakenly gave credit for an article that Sam wrote to Richard. It was not my intention to create a rift between these two very good friends. "Richard" should read "Sam".

Steve

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Good call. Should have read "criminal behavior".

Thanks

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Steve,

I am not for divestment however calling someone who believes this to be a reasonable strategy 'criminal' is simply criminal....maybe nuts...which is it? [...] 55795 21 21_Shimshon Markowitz zl0_22_barcohen@STARPOWER.NET31_Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:16:33 -0500529_us-ascii The family is sitting shiva at the Dan Hotel in Tel Aviv onN Sunday and Monday and in Omer at the Warshawski's on Tuesday. Beth - Chanie's last name is Fedrick and she's at the Dan-call. We would be happy to see friends.

------------------------------------------------------------------------- The HABONET mailing list is hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network, http://shamash.org, a service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 55817 76 5_Purim12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Sat, 26 Mar 2005 23:16:03 +0200587_us-ascii Haverot/im Put simply, the divergence between Hasidim and Mithnagdim was about fun and joy vs. seriousness and rigor. Purim is a prooftext. Because of the noisemaking gragger and the instruction to drink to the point of inebriation - inability to differentiate between blessed be Mordechai and cursed be Haman - We tend to think of Purim as definitely belonging in the frivolity camp. Few remember that even the fun filled Jewish Mardi Gras is preceded by the Fast of Esther Thirty five years ago when I wrote a book about American Jewish lit I called it To Royal Estate ( [...] 55894 157 47_All Peace Radio--World wide English Debut today16_Judith R. Gelman16_gelman@EROLS.COM31_Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:43:38 -0500387_us-ascii ALL FOR PEACE grassroots Palestinian-Israeli radio has established a model for others to follow. They broadcast all day, every day:

1. 107.2 FM in Israel and the Palestinian Authority 2. on the Web at http://www.allforpeace.org heard worldwide

RAINBOW -- the English language broadcasts hosted by Mike Brand -- will be every Sunday, and repeated on Tuesdays: [...] 56052 220 70_Re: Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure15_David L. Mandel20_dlmandel@PACBELL.NET31_Sun, 27 Mar 2005 15:56:13 -0800635_iso-8859-1 And using Caterpillar equipment to destroy thousands of homes, killing several of their occupants who happened to be inside and a nonviolent protester who was trying to protect them. ... that's legal, moral behavior in your book, I assume. The one good thing in the call to defend this particular representative of corporate America is the link to the campaign to stop Cat sales to the Israeli military. Please do read it and become educated -- http://www.catdestroyshomes.org/ so you don't have to scroll through the rest if you don't want. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: HABONET@SHAMASH.ORG Sent: [...] 56273 180 33_The Son of Detroit Habonim Alumni15_Nechemia Meyers23_meyers@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:11:07 +0200719_windows-1255 Subscribers to Habonet: Since the person to whom this column is devoted is the son of Detroit Habonim alumni Gloria and Ancel Zeitek, I thought it might be of interest to you. NM.















N. Meyers

P.O. Box 2484

Rehovot, 76124, Israel



Police Chief Wins Confidence of Bedouin

Nechemia Meyers



When I came into the spartan office of Superintendent Yoni Zeitak, police commander in the Bedouin town of Rahat, he was busy trying to defuse a clan squabble involving a woman who had married without obtaining her father's permission and was therefore in danger of falling victim to an "honor killing." [...] 56454 129 11_caterpillar0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:50:24 EST568_US-ASCII I wrote David off line to thank him for posting what he posted about Caterpillar. I think we would be wise to recognize that Caterpillar has become a symbol of a policy that has been at best unwise. I say this with some reserve, because I don't like these divestment movements. But this is different. People are targeting one specific company associated with a specific policy. I wrote a private note to David thanking him for his courage in posting the web-site with the information. I also pointed out to him that it was an strange irony that the very [...] 56584 345 70_Re: Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:29:26 -0800337_iso-8859-1 David

I read the articles you recommended. As an aside, Amnesty International agrees with your position, and they are usually pretty good watch dogs. I should have said "agreed", as I broke off with them a while ago. They felt a lot like you do. They, too, are people of good conscience and superior moral ground. [...] 56930 389 32_Fw: Don't neglectChristian Arabs5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:35:11 -0800868_UTF-8

Excellent article and a call for our attention.

Steve



Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Fw: Don't neglectChristian Arabs















Don't neglect Christian Arabs





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A Christian resident of the village of Mughar knew whom to blame last week for the riots that destroyed so much local Christian property there recently – it was not the fault of Druse assailants as much as the absence of a police station. Though it may be a bit facile to blame the government for this incident, there is something to the charge of neglect [...] 57320 80 20_Fw: Return to Poland5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:43:10 -0800602_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: Steve Klein Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: Return to Poland



http://www.worldandi.com/subscribers/searchdetail.asp?num=24309

A friend of mine wrote this article and allowed me to share it.

Steve

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I finally got a chance to look up Jeremiah and Ezekiel. Great reading and wisdom.

Thanks

Steve

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57463 3244 10_Fw: Poland5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:47:38 -0800625_iso-8859-1 I received feedback that this did not come through as a viable link. I am sending this to you in this format.

Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve To: Steve Klein Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: Poland









A Jewish Emigre Returns to Poland

Article #: 24309 Section: CULTURE - HERITAGE File Size: 4,102 words Issue Date: 3 / 2005 Start Page: Author: Roberto Loiederman Roberto Loiederman is co-author of The Eagle Mutiny (Naval Institute Press, 2001), a nonfiction account of the only armed shipboard mutiny in modern American history. [...] 60708 55 70_Re: Fw: Your LETTER NEEDED ASAP to CATERPILLAR To Counter The Pressure0_17_Smfgrappa@AOL.COM29_Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:55:28 EST475_US-ASCII Steve

You have yet to answer or address the issues raised by your attack on NPR?





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To unsubscribe email: HABONET-unsubscribe-request@SHAMASH.ORG 60764 30 31_Another Amichai coming your way12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@NETVISION.NET.IL31_Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:37:43 +0200417_us-ascii From the Scroll of Esther, I filtered out the sediment Of coarse joy, and from the Book of Jeremiah The wailing of pain in your guts. And from The Song of Songs, the endless search Of love, and from Genesis The dreams and Cain, and from Ecclesiastes The despair, and from the Book of Job, Job And from the leftovers, I pasted together a new Bible for myself. I live censored, pasted, limited, in peace. [...] 60795 98 26_Jewish football in Holland0_23_rdsmith1957@COMCAST.NET31_Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:17:39 +0000321_- This is from yesterday's New York Times but I think you have to register to them to get it on line so I have copied it and put it below. The actual article has a nice picture to go along with the article.

March 28, 2005 AMSTERDAM JOURNAL A Dutch Soccer Riddle: Jewish Regalia Without Jews By CRAIG S. SMITH [...] 60894 36 50_The Apparition in the Levant/ Fouad Ajami/ US News11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@MJDS.ORG31_Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:23:20 -0600594_us-ascii By Fouad Ajami The apparition in the Levant

Here's the smell of the blood still: All the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand. Oh, oh, oh! William Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act V, Scene 1

Lady Macbeth could never believe that Duncan, the murdered king, could have "had so much blood in him." The assassins of Lebanon's former prime minister, Rafiq Hariri, who took the life of this good man who had done his best for his captive country, are now in a world familiar to those who know Shakespeare's great tragedy. They had struck down Hariri, on February [...] 60931 283 14_JTA Print News16_Elihu D. Davison25_elihu.davison@VERIZON.NET31_Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:23:44 -0500438_us-ascii

http://www.jta.org/page_print_story.asp?intarticleid=15207

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Cute, with aJewish connection.

Steve





"Translator"

A judge is ready to go through the day's business and he is very rushed.

The first case up involves an elderly Jewish gentleman with a long beard, payes, the works.

The judge, without asking a question, says to the clerk, "Get me a translator."

Translator shows up and the judge says, "Ask him what his name is, how old is he and where does he come from?" [...] 61330 551 111_Fw: The Death of France's "Multiculturalism" By Nidra Poller FrontPageMagazine: Interview on ABC radio tomorrow5_Steve26_kleinsdesigns@SOCAL.RR.COM31_Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:26:33 -0800523_iso-8859-1

It is always interesting to watch events in France. Good article.

Steve



Subject: Fw: The Death of France's "Multiculturalism" By Nidra Poller FrontPageMagazine: Interview on ABC radio tomorrow







Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 07:06:23 EST Subject: The Death of France's "Multiculturalism" By Nidra Poller FrontPageMagazine To: RuthSKing@aol.com



The Death of France's "Multiculturalism" By Nidra Poller FrontPageMagazine.com | March 30, 2005 [...] 61882 227 60_Fwd: Columbia University Responds to Charges of Antisemitism12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@PIPELINE.COM31_Thu, 31 Mar 2005 19:05:23 -0500