1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet September 2003
2 83 23_Re: Columbia's Problems13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:19:56 -0400
86 53 23_Re: Bar/Bat Mitzvah Age11_Roslyn Lang20_langr@georgetown.edu31_Tue, 02 Sep 2003 10:11:37 -0400503_us-ascii Age 13 seems to when young people begin thinking about the larger issues of what the world is, why they are here, whether or not there is a God, etc., so from a more spiritual point of view, 13 is probably the right age for a Bar or Bat Mitzvah. Perhaps we should think of it as the age the child begins searching spiritually and/or philosophically, rather than the age they become an adult. (As the mother of two young men in their 30's, I'm still wondering sometimes what THAT age is :) [...]
140 258 23_Re: Bar/Bat Mitzvah Age0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:17:14 EDT560_UTF-8 Roz, You may be interested in the attached fragment I wrote recently on the subject of childhood and adulthood and their relationship. My thesis is that childhood is that state of being where "I" am the center of the world, where gratification needs to be immediate, where the present moment rules, where ther is minimal consideration of consequences, and where imagination (a make-believe world of black and white) predominates over over a more complex world of multi-variables and nuances of grey. By this definition childhood is not age related. [...]
399 129 21_Shooting at reporters14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Tue, 2 Sep 2003 12:26:15 -0700583_iso-8859-1 Opinion time?<br><br>I was glad there were reporters and photographers in Vietnam during the American war years there. The American people would never have become so involved were it not for the pictures. These photos served a noble purpose; of helping put an end to an unjust and rediculous war.<br><br>This is not the case in Israel, both in and outside the West Bank. The reporters have shown huge bias in favor of the "underdog". Israel is fighting for her (and our) survival. Biased reporters and photographers only demoralise our already-stressed-out soldiers. [...]
529 82 25_Re: Shooting at reporters13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:39:40 -0400568_iso-8859-1 When Steve agrees with reporters (i.e. the reporting from Vietnam) they are doing a good job; when he disagrees with them (i.e. the reporting from Israel) they are biased and unfair.<br><br>I would be interested in any actual proof, or evidence, that the Red Cross is spying for the Palestinians.<br><br>I would like to know what ABC is doing in the literal bed with the Arabs? Is ABC screwing the Arabs or are they making passionate love? But I am being a tad facetious here, but only a tad. I really think Steve has made a great concession in saying [...]
612 68 23_Re: Bar/Bat Mitzvah Age0_13_JLCAA@aol.com28_Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:18:57 EDT600_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/2/03 11:18:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DLerner569@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> . My thesis is that childhood is that state of being where "I" am the > center of the world,<br><br>Dennis: If you have a chance, take a look at the work of Jane Leovinger from Wash U. who did pioneering studies on stages of ego development. There have been some attempts to studying adults and forced changes in ego development (Harry Lasker I believe). As I remember the results were often quite traumatic, if not for the person attempting to change, then for the social network [...]
681 163 19_Israel Technologies11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org30_Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:41:24 -0500398_us-ascii ISRAEL Technologies-This is worth circulating<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Good evening. My name is Len Rosen, and I'm a Managing Director at Lehman Brothers in our investment banking unit. There I have a few roles: I am head of our Israel business, and Lehman Brothers has for a long time been the predominant investment bank in Israel, and I am also a technology industry banker. [...]
845 72 9_reporters7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 03 Sep 2003 10:14:44 +0200571_windows-1255 the current discussion on reporters reminded me of a very unpleasant day I once had with ABC reporters.<br><br>It was during the first intifada and it was Independence Day, a day that Israelis like to go on day trips. I went on a day trip to Hebron, and on the way our buses stopped at Herodion and Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem. We noticed that everywhere our buses went the ABC tv crew followed us, photographing us and our innocent tiyul when we alighted from the buses. The crew of three made themselves super noticeable, and followed us as closely as [...]
918 170 13_RPG or Camera14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@hotmail.com30_Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:38:13 +0300358_iso-8859-1 How fast can you tell the difference in a cloud of dust and smoke? How long will it take for him to blow you away? I set up a telescope every night to view the stars and security people regularly check me out when I'm setting up. Just another aspect of journalistic safety. As a Shirionaire they always taught me that RPGs are bad for your health.
1089 152 26_MEMRI: prepare your lawyer13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Wed, 3 Sep 2003 18:56:15 +0200506_windows-1255 Egyptian Jurists to Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation for 'Trillions' of Tons of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt<br><br>The August 9, 2003 edition of the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi featured an interview with Dr. Nabil Hilmi, Dean of the Faculty of Law at the University of Al-Zaqaziq who, together with a group of Egyptian expatriates in Switzerland, is preparing an enormous lawsuit against "all the Jews of the world." The following are excerpts from the interview: [...]
1242 23 30_Re: MEMRI: prepare your lawyer12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com36_Wed, 3 Sep 2003 13:03:15 -0400 (EDT)709_us-ascii I'm pretty sure that somebody is pulling somebody's leg, although MEMRI is not known to have a sense of humor.<br><br>David<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1266 70 15_Bar Mitzvah Age14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:03:23 +0000332_- 3 September 2003<br><br>A little food for thought for the Bar Mitzvah Age discussion.<br><br>1. To the best of my knowledge, the Tanach never mentions the expression "Bar Mitzvah". Also, to the best of my memory, the Tanach never expressly sets the age for the onset of adulthood at 13/12 years for boys/girls, respectively. [...]
1337 39 30_Re: MEMRI: prepare your lawyer7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:25:39 +0200440_iso-8859-1 no, they are not pulling your leg, the papers here have written about the case. ein milim. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Fleiss" <dfleiss@pipeline.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: MEMRI: prepare your lawyer<br><br><br><br>> I'm pretty sure that somebody is pulling somebody's leg, although MEMRI is not known to have a sense of humor. > > David > > > [...]
1377 82 65_Red Crescent Participation in Palestinian Struggle Against Israel14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:17:15 +0000475_- Shalom Richard,<br><br>In your recent posting to Steve Klein, you wrote, "" I would be interested in any actual proof, or evidence, that the Red Cross is spying for the Palestinians. ""<br><br>The following article from the ADL website provides some information on the subject of Red Cross/Crescent working with Palestinians in their struggle against Israel. The article is from about 3 years ago. However, I expect that more recent info is available on the internet. [...]
1460 63 69_Re: Red Crescent Participation in Palestinian Struggle Against Israel13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Wed, 3 Sep 2003 17:49:12 -0400246_iso-8859-1 Thank you Marty for this information, though I seem to remember these incidents from the time. I was asking about Steve's assertion that the Red Cross "spys" for the Palestinians. But still, this kind of activity is bad enough I guess.
1524 26 5_memri16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 04 Sep 2003 09:06:09 -0400350_us-ascii The Memri report of Egyptians preparing to sue the Jewish people for Pharaonic gold is true, believe it or don't. The only appropriate response, it seems to me, is to countersue for damages due to the Jewish people for our 400 years of involuntary servitude (slavery) and to demand even greater reparations than the Pharaonic gold. :-) [...]
1551 57 37_Impartial International Organizations14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Thu, 04 Sep 2003 17:18:53 +0000502_- Shalom Richard,<br><br>In your posting to me about collaboration of the Red Cross with Palestinians in their struggle against Israel, you wrote,<br><br>"" I was asking about Steve's assertion that the Red Cross "spys" for the Palestinians. But still, this kind of activity is bad enough... ""<br><br>I don't understand your point. Isn't Palestinian use of Red Cross/Crescent ambulances as mobile fighting platforms and as secure transportation to and from battles at least as serious as spying? [...]
1609 495 18_From The Spectator13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Thu, 4 Sep 2003 21:24:21 +0200541_windows-1255 Biological warfare Douglas Davis reveals Arafat’s plan to achieve a single Palestinian state by encouraging his people to breed<br><br>The moment has come for the long queue of diplomatic high-wire artists to bite the bullet: there is no immediate prospect of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. No matter how much Tony Blair huffs and Jack Straw puffs, the painful reality is that the Middle East ‘road-map’ is destined to join the slew of failed peace plans in the garbage can marked ‘Diplomatic Good Intentions’. [...]
2105 65 20_Reparations to Egypt14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Thu, 04 Sep 2003 18:37:06 +0000382_- Shalom Pearl,<br><br>If the report about modern day Egyptians seeking reparations for silver and gold taken by Jewish slaves 3300 years ago is true, then you are doubly correct that there are no words (ain milim) for this chutzpah.<br><br>I continue to wonder if the report is a hoax because it is so similar to the following passage which I have translated from the Gemara: [...]
2171 120 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 04 Sep 2003 22:29:27 +0200332_windows-1255 zeh rak mareh: ki ein chadash metachat l'shemesh or "the more things change the more they remain the same."<br><br>I can tell you, but not to the list, that morale is low in many places here: we wonder if there will be an Israel in another 20 years, and if there will be an Israel what kind of country it will be. [...]
2292 65 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Thu, 4 Sep 2003 18:51:06 -0400236_windows-1255 Pearl states: " I often think that on a certain level the goyim of the U.S. are on a higher plain than some of the people we have imported here. "<br><br>Where does anyone get the idea that religious Judaism and the Israeli
2358 88 41_Re: Impartial International Organizations13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Thu, 4 Sep 2003 19:18:27 -0400541_iso-8859-1 Martin Goodman stated:<br><br>Shalom Richard,<br><br>In your posting to me about collaboration of the Red Cross with Palestinians in their struggle against Israel, you wrote,<br><br>"" I was asking about Steve's assertion that the Red Cross "spys" for the Palestinians. But still, this kind of activity is bad enough... ""<br><br>I don't understand your point. Isn't Palestinian use of Red Cross/Crescent ambulances as mobile fighting platforms and as secure transportation to and from battles at least as serious as spying? [...]
2447 103 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:07:23 +0200580_windows-1255 rrichard, I am not religious nor am I on the right: facts are facts: the use of drugs in secular schools has doubled and in a study written about in today's paper, it is admitted that in religious schools this problem is barely a problem. Today's radio had a program about the widespread crime which accompanied a certain type of Russian immigrant: white slave trade, prostitution, and protection rackets to name just three. These are very widespread crimes in Israel today. It is no secret to those of us living here that the quality of our lives has gone down [...]
2551 33 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:49:50 EDT603_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 9/5/03 5:08:41 AM, pskolnik@netvision.net.il writes:<br><br><< I would have preferred to see these people, leftests that most of them are, to contribute to our country rather than to Canada. >><br><br>It seems Canada has learned to take from all of us- the film industry has "moved " there as the government offered producers a 30% rebate on the production budgets, and many of my friends lost nor only their jobs, but their careers--It is now all being felt as the domino effect in California, where we have lost BILLIONS in production funds over the past 8-10 [...]
2585 135 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:00:14 -0400530_windows-1255 You've succeeded in missing my point entirely, for which perhaps I have myself to blame. I have no doubt that the things you mention about the new immigrant to Israel are how you describe them. That was not what I meant to call attention to. The quote I referred to, "I often think that on a certain level the goyim of the U.S. are on a higher plain than some of the people we have imported here," assumes that Jews in general are on a "higher plain" than non Jews. I don't think this is true, and though no one [...]
2721 392 28_Fw: Highway safety warning !14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:28:20 -0700577_iso-8859-1 I am sending this along because "the Life You Save May Be Jewish".<br><br>(Just kidding. Hold back the hate mail. Although some of the lives that may be saved may be Jewish, I expect the usual laws of probability to hold sway.)<br><br>Love<br><br>Steve<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Odis and Nita Richardson ; Sherry and Angela Roby Rigaud ; Madelon Graham ; Eitay ; Peter Van Ark ; Bill Ronayne ; Yankele and Iris ; Jackie Krieg ; Linleigh ; Peggy Felice ; Jean Binnion ; Steve and Monica Huss ; Esta Dilley ; Glenn Petty [...]
3114 194 24_Re: Reparations to Egypt13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@netvision.net.il55_Fri, 05 Sep 2003 17:36:43 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)532_iso-8859-1 <br><br>Far be it from me to take Canada's part in this debate but I guess there are injustices on both sides of the border. If the film industry in the USA moved to Canada it is because of the cost of production. Remember, Canada's dollar is not on a par with the Americans. On the other hand, let us look at the punishment the US is dishing out to Canada by not allowing the import of cattle. Imagine, one cow with 'mad cow' disease and it turns the whole world upside down. By the way, as a vegetarian, I routing [...]
3309 48 32_Re: Fw: Highway safety warning !0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:44:22 EDT172_US-ASCII While the story might or might not be true, this is basically correct about cruise control. For more info, check out http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/wetroad.asp
3358 299 9_Parasites13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Sat, 6 Sep 2003 19:17:42 +0200525_windows-1255 No more than parasites By Nehemia Strasler<br><br>"Anyone who has evil thoughts about the yeshiva students and calls them parasites is a scoundrel, a heretic, and killing him is permitted," Shas's spiritual mentor, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, declared a few days ago in his weekly sermon. He appears almost to be testing the boundaries of freedom of incitement and continues to pose challenges to the attorney general, Elyakim Rubinstein. Does Rubinstein consider the encouragement of murder to be legitimate, too? [...]
3658 222 24_Don't Rain on Our Parade12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:59:40 +0200621_us-ascii <br><br>>Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 19:56:24 +0200 >To: >From: Amnon Hadary <amriv@netvision.net.il> >Subject: Don't Rain on Our Parade > >Haverot/im >The first attempt at sending this communication was yesterday, Friday, >September 5. I'll try again. It's Shabbat now. > > >When Rivka sent our granddaughters, Noa and Barr to the grocery store to >buy a challah this morning they scurried back laughing. It rained a few >drops and there's nothing as delicious and as life enhancing as a child's >delight at a first rain. Tonight, at our Kabbalat Shabbat we will have a >chance to teach them the prayer: mashiv [...]
3881 48 13_Re: Parasites0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Sun, 7 Sep 2003 02:51:50 EDT358_US-ASCII Very cogent article - thanks for sending, Jonny - perhaps Pearl will send it to her brother and he'll write a Conservative tshuva explaining that charedi boys who do not serve in the army are not parasites. . . . . . . whoops, I should have caught myself before I lapsed into sarcasm, but this article has had a mysterious effect . . . . . . . [...]
3930 152 13_Re: Parasites7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 07 Sep 2003 11:25:29 +0200550_iso-8859-1 your sarcasm is ill placed. I believe in Torah and Avoda, and that is the history of our family. My great-grandfather, who lived in Tzfat, was called Reb David, der Bolshevik, even tho he was a chasid and rabbi. He begged those who sat and waited for the chaluka to arrive (tzedaka) to go out and look for work to support their families. Because he would not take charity he returned to Poland to work as a textile engineer in order to save up money to return to Israel and to help his children who lived in Kibbutz Ayalet Hashachar. [...]
4083 66 13_Re: Parasites0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:30:54 EDT623_US-ASCII >From my humble background, it seems to me that there has always been a segment of Jewish society which was excluded from the "tzibor" for purposes of purity and learning...(although in Pirkei Avot" it is particularly stated "al tifros min ha tzibor.") Were not the cohanim excluded from much of the general types of activities which were carried on by the rest of the community?--and during the rest of modern history- in Europe- the Yeshiva institutions helped to perpetuate learning AND controversy which sparked a return to Zionism, chassidut, etc etc.. Secular Judaism -and those who practice it -is not [...]
4150 29 13_Re: Parasites13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 07 Sep 2003 14:49:00 -0400302_us-ascii Maybe, since they are willing to let their wives support them, their wives could serve in the army for them too.<br><br>On "house husbands" in America--this is more hype than truth. I know some men at home but all were initially laid off from jobs and all the one's I know work parttime. [...]
4180 69 25_Fwd: Savage Anti-Semitism12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Sun, 07 Sep 2003 17:56:56 -0400
4250 171 28_Re: Don't Rain On Our Parade14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:27:36 +0000476_- Shalom Amnon,<br><br>The portrayal of Orthodox Jews and Judaism in your posting ‘DON’T RAIN ON OUR PARADE’ is substantially different than my understanding, as described below:<br><br>1. You write that, “...Rabbi Soloveitchik's position regarding the centrality of Israel for the full realization of the Torah as a way of life is in sharp opposition to those ultra religious trends in Judaism which regard the Zionist quest for normalcy as a revolt against the Torah.” [...]
4422 34 46_shake it Sugaree, I'll meet you at the Jubilee12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:41:46 -0400567_iso-8859-1 <br><br>The idea of the Jubilee year came up at my cousin's Bar Mitvah this weekend and also in my old friend Marty's email which was waiting in my mailbox this morning. Other than the mention in a Grateful Dead song that I reference in the subject line, I didn't have much familiariarity with this idea. I have two questions. First, in terms of property, what exactly is returned during the Jubilee year? Is this forgiveness of debts or something else entirely? Second, where are we in the counting of a week of weeks of years, i.e. when is the next [...]
4457 28 29_another generational question12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:50:18 -0400353_iso-8859-1 <br><br>While attending a wedding this weekend (yes, a very busy weekend, full of simchas!) it came to my attention that Galil has been graced by father and son Roshi Machaneh - Avi and Yoni Hakley. Perhaps I missed mention of this during the previous discussion of m,ulti-generational Habonim families Are there other similar examples? [...]
4486 57 24_closing down for a while13_Yehuda Riemer20_aminadav@urim.org.il30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:20:21 +0200303_iso-8859-1 Hi everybody, Beginning tomorrow, 9/9, I will not be receiving e-mail for about two weeks. I will let you know when I'll start again. The last time I did this there were hundreds of messages, mostly spam, that made downloading impossible, so I had to erase the whole lot. Be well, shana tova,
4544 83 13_Re: Parasites14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:01:19 +0000357_- Shalom Jonathan:<br><br>The article “No More Than Parasites” by Ha’Aretz writer Nechemia Strasler is a good representation of the animosity of left-wing Chilonim against Orthodox Jews in general and against R. Ovadyah Yosef (the leader of the SHAS ultra-Orthodox political party) in particular. However, it is hardly unbiased or complete journalism. [...]
4628 1090 26_Imperative to read and act14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:06:00 -0700425_iso-8859-1 Habonet<br><br>I am forwarding this in its entirety. I don't agree that Peres and the rest that were mentioned within would have sold us out in the manner described.<br><br>Steve<br><br>ACTION: WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN IMMEDIATELY www.vote-smart.org <http://www.vote-smart.org/> "Israel must be allowed to defend herself"<br><br><br><br>ACTION: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR - See attached list for many media contacts [...]
5719 473 21_Fw: The Kinzey Report14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:17:42 -0700596_iso-8859-1 I'm surprised Mr. Kinsey did not mention directly the fabrications CNN admitted to a few months ago, in their non-reportage of the misdeeds of Uday and Kusay Hussein. The article is well worth reading. I still watch CNN occasionally, to see what they are up to.<br><br>Steve<br><br>PS I didn't realise the last article I sent had an attachment. I hadn't needed to click to read it. Those of you that do not open attachments, please don't. The article should be readable without. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Elly Krapek ; George Briggs ; Joyce Kishineff ; [...]
6193 490 74_Fw: France And Germany: Recognize All Of Hamas As A Terrorist Organization14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:25:56 -0700305_iso-8859-1 Simon Wiesenthal CenterI do not forward the Wiesenthal newsletter on the guess that most of you get it anyway. Maybe all of you. This one is for an anti-Hamas petition that is too important to chance missing. (I know that some of us think petitions are a waste of time. I obviously don't) [...]
6684 39 13_Savage Nation14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:25:02 +0000562_- After the forward from David Fleiss about Michael Savage, I checked out the Savage Nation webpage (http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/). Based on this webpage, I surmise that Savage is a Rush Limbaugh clone. Some of Savage's positions from the website include:<br><br>- Close the borders now. - Deport all illegal immigrants now. - Eliminate bilingual education in all states. - Require health tests for all recent foreign born immigrants. - Make tax cuts permanent. - Reduce the number of Federal Employees. - Tort Reform - Stop Class Action Lawyers. [...]
6724 113 30_RE: Imperative to read and act12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:34:46 -0400553_iso-8859-1 Steve,<br><br>I don't get the connection to project vote smart. Can you explain? This message has nothing to do with them or the service they provide.<br><br>Noam<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Kleins Designs [mailto:kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:06 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Imperative to read and act<br><br><br><br>Habonet<br><br>I am forwarding this in its entirety. I don't agree that Peres and the rest that were mentioned within would have sold us out in the manner described. [...]
6838 93 13_Re: Parasites13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:02:59 +0200595_windows-1255 Dear Martin,<br><br>Thanks for your measured response to the article. All - or most - of what you had to say is true. None of that can mitigate the fact that the hard-working, tax-paying, army-serving majority has to support a population of "ticks" who detract from rather than contribute to the social and economic well-being of the state. As far as I'm concerned, anybody who believes that men (not women, God forbid) who study Torah should be exempt from work can help contribute to a charitable fund to support these deadbeats. I don't care to. While I'm familiar with Rav [...]
6932 222 28_Re: Don't Rain On Our Parade7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 08 Sep 2003 22:05:00 +0200660_windows-1255 Marty yesher koach! cogent and comprehensive. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Goodman" <martinjgoodman@hotmail.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: Re: Don't Rain On Our Parade<br><br><br><br>> Shalom Amnon, > > The portrayal of Orthodox Jews and Judaism in your posting ‘DON’T RAIN ON > OUR PARADE’ is substantially different than my understanding, as described > below: > > 1. You write that, “...Rabbi Soloveitchik's position regarding the > centrality of Israel for the full realization of the Torah as a way of life > is in sharp opposition to those ultra religious trends in [...]
7155 349 12_Lansky et al14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:38:58 -0700364_iso-8859-1 Passing along a little "different"iece of history.<br><br>Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Carol Nalin ; Barry Szemere ; Bob and Barbara Fruitman ; Eileen Kelmanson ; Avravraham and Malka Czyzyk ; Arvin Tunick ; Geoff and Linda Remes ; Connie Tunick Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Fw: Fwd: (no subject) [...]
7505 631 16_RE: Lansky et al0_25_batel_libes@earthlink.net30_Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:08:41 -0700492_iso-8859-1 Had you been part of MB Yud, you would have had the opportunity to partake in a chug focusing on Jewish gangsters, courtesy of two madrichim who had written papers about the subject. We also had a granddaughter of a gangster (don’t recall which) as a chanicha.<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Kleins Designs Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 8:39 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Lansky et al [...]
8137 270 29_UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Mon, 08 Sep 2003 23:05:30 -0600
8408 99 37_Ticks, Parasites, and the Labor Party14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:39:11 +0000420_- Shalom Jonathan,<br><br>I. In your posting to me, you wrote, ""the hard-working, tax-paying, army-serving majority has to support a population of "ticks" who detract from rather than contribute to the social and economic well-being of the state... anybody who believes that men ... who study Torah should be exempt from work can help contribute to a charitable fund to support these deadbeats. I don't care to."" [...]
8508 82 50_Re: Shake it Sugaree, I'll meet you at the Jubilee14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:33:04 +0000395_- Noam, Shalom u'Bracha!<br><br>I never knew, but after all these years I should have realized, you're a Dead Head. 'Wo, oh, what I want to know, where does the time go?'<br><br>Enclosed is some info about the Sabbatical and Jubilee years.<br><br>Leviticus (Chapter 25) and Deuteronomy (Chapter 15:1-11) are the principle sources of the mitzvot of the Sabbatical year and the Jubilee year. [...]
8591 112 41_Re: Ticks, Parasites, and the Labor Party13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:27:18 +0200617_windows-1255 Shalom Martin<br><br>a.. Sorry you don't like my entomoligical similes. Too bad. That's exactly how I feel about them. b.. Thanks for the history lesson, but I'm perfectly aware who and which political party is responsible for this miserable state of affairs. The allowance of the Ultra-orthodox draft exemption was Ben-Gurion's greatest blunder. c.. The Charedim who can't be bothered to work or serve in Tzahal aren't victims of anyone. Their situation suits them right down to the ground. And what they would think of this exchange doesn't interest me. I just love being though of as a sucker by [...]
8704 28 34_Kudos to Habonim from South Africa9_Ilana Ron20_ilanaron@hotmail.com31_Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:36:44 +0000
8733 34 50_RE: Shake it Sugaree, I'll meet you at the Jubilee12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:17:14 -0400579_iso-8859-1 Thanks Marty - and you aren't "OLD" (since you are close to my age!-) or (overly) long winded. I find your scholarship admirable and I'm always pleased when you share it with us.<br><br>Regarding property ownership - another friend said the holdings which were returned were within a walled city - are you sure? In either case, if the goal was to prevent a landless class the practice seems counter intuitive - if the population increases, but the land cannot be sold and divided, it seems to me the number of landless grows over time. Mysterious are the ways... [...]
8768 64 33_Re: UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:00:25 -0400173_iso-8859-1 Phil write: I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.<br><br>Far be it for me to defend the little shrub, but what is this in
8833 187 27_Apples Carobs and Parasites12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 09 Sep 2003 23:08:04 +0200573_us-ascii Marty, I love the occasional midrash. As long as it is recognized for what it is, a legend. At best midrashim are somewhat like the growth rings of a felled tree they tell you if a given period was rainy or parched . Furthermore they can show that this ring dates back to a time of the garden of eden, that one to the Roman conquest of Judea. But midrashim are seldom primarily innocent lessons in the history of our people. They are generally tendentious, contrived and meant to massage the modalities and behaviors of believers. Sticking with legends about [...]
9021 21 16_Re: Lansky et al0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:53:46 EDT651_US-ASCII Steve- what is the origin of this piece? who is the author?...sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
9043 98 33_Re: UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME20_Gayle, Mark and Ayah18_sarazen@rogers.com30_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 20:17:09 -0400349_iso-8859-1 Did he not have a DUI conviction on his record?<br><br>Gayle Charach ----- Original Message ----- From: richard smith To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: Re: UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME<br><br><br><br>Phil write: I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. [...]
9142 55 33_Re: UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com30_Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:13:12 -040080_iso-8859-1 I believe it may have been an arrest, not a conviction, or so that is
9198 56 7_Jubilee14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:49:41 +0000521_- Shalom Noam:<br><br>The practice of returning property to it's original owner in the Jubilee year does NOT apply to property in walled cities. The source for this is Leviticus, Chapter 25, verses 29-31.<br><br>In your posting, you wrote, "" ... if the goal [of returning property in the Jubilee year] was to prevent a landless class, the practice seems counter intuitive. If the population increases, but the land cannot be sold and divided, it seems to me the number of landless [individuals] grows over time. "" [...]
9255 61 19_Charedim: Continued14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:25:18 +0000584_- Shalom Jonathan,<br><br>I. In your last posting, you wrote, "" The Charedim who can't be bothered to work or serve in Tzahal aren't victims of anyone... If you disagree, why did you vote for Shinui? ""<br><br>I do disagree with your assertion that Charedim aren't victims because they are locked in a welfare and educational system from which there is no practical exit. That is one of the reasons that I bothered to vote for SHINUI. Parenthetically, if we ever hope to integrate Charedim into the work force and into Tzahal, then Chilonim have to be friendly to the Charedim, [...]
9317 32 9_Get a Job14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@hotmail.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:39:05 +0300525_iso-8859-1 As one of Marty's best friends and one who really enjoys his educated opinions I urge all of you to keep your eyes open for a job for a great Geophysical engineer in the Bay area. He has too much time on his hands and you are all encouraging him too much lately to flaunt his stuff. I'm afraid he likes doing this more then working An alternative is to take up a collection to support Marty so he can write tombs of his unusual opinions or maybe publish "a dialogue Amnon and Marty". While I'm at it he would [...]
9350 50 13_Re: Get a Job13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:42:55 +020095_iso-8859-1 ...or Marty could come to Israel and study Torah full time. Just kidding.<br><br>Jon
9401 36 16_Re: Lansky et al14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:57:39 -0700591_iso-8859-1 Sue<br><br>Sorry. I don't know. It may have gotten thrown out.<br><br>Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <LiberHawke@aol.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 2:53 PM Subject: Re: Lansky et al<br><br><br><br>> Steve- what is the origin of this piece? who is the author?...sue > > ><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
9438 71 19_Another Blood Libel14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 19:24:11 +0000450_- I have not seen the information in the following article from Arutz 7 anywhere else in the English language press, so, I have prepared the following translation:<br><br><br><br>A NEW BLOOD LIBEL IN EGYPT 10 September 2003<br><br>The official website of the Egyptian Ministry of Science is publicizing an anti-Semitic book which alleges that two thousand years ago, Jews committed acts of murder consisting of the slaughter of 144,000 infants. [...]
9510 43 23_Re: Another Blood Libel0_13_JLCAA@aol.com29_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:25:31 EDT246_US-ASCII Marty: Have you, or anyone else on this list checked out the Egyptian government website mentioned? It may well be a factual accusation on the part of Arutz 7 but, why not list the Egyptian URL and send people directly to the source. Avi
9554 68 79_Subsidizing Families with Many Children: What Should Be the Policy of the Left?14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 21:09:50 +0000604_- Translated from today’s Ma’ariv newspaper:<br><br>NETANYAHU: INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT MONEY SHOULD NOT HAVE MANY CHILDREN<br><br>“It is not possible for families to bring children into the world and to support themselves on subsidies” – so said the Minister of the Treasury, Benjamin Netanyahu this morning in an interview with Galey Tzahal.<br><br>“When a family says, ‘Wait a moment, let’s have a third child or a fourth’, then the husband turns to the wife and says to her, ‘Shifrah, what do you think? Can we afford this?’ Then she says ‘We will work a little more.’ But I don’t think that someone [...]
9623 459 33_Re: UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@nycap.rr.com31_Wed, 10 Sep 2003 23:35:15 -0400578_us-ascii forgot one: 1st president to choke on pretzel. At 11:05 PM 9/8/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> UPDATED GEORGE W. BUSH RESUME >> The White House, USA >> >> ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT: >> I attacked and took over two countries. >> I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the Treasury. >> I shattered the record for biggest annual deficit in history. >> I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any >>12-month period. >> I set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock >>market. >> I am the first president in decades to execute [...]
10083 89 12_Two Years On13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:42:55 +0200648_utf-8 Two Years On, A Weary Nation Takes Stock<br><br>Sunday, December 5, 1943 NEW YORK (Routers) Concerned about inflaming passions that might further widen the war unnecessarily and result in more hate crimes against Asians, both here and abroad, most papers and radio stations will maintain regular formats and programming this coming Tuesday, the second anniversary of that unfortunate incident at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. "We may do some special reports on the victims, and how they feel today," said one CBS radio broadcast executive. "We'll be interviewing survivors, and the families of those killed. How has this affected the women, and [...]
10173 60 20_latest terror attack0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:33:40 EDT313_US-ASCII Folks:<br><br>You may have already read as much as you need to read on the latest attack, but this JTA article was written by Jon Medved, a fellow I know from Berkeley in days gone by and from current high tech business stuff.<br><br>http://www.jta.org/story.asp?id=030910-medv<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Ken
10234 44 24_Re: latest terror attack13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:39:05 +020040_iso-8859-1 Thanks Ken, good article. Jon
10279 57 19_What kind of world?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:04:30 EDT535_US-ASCII What kind of world is this where children stand on a podium reading the names of the dead and their relatives, where children are blown apart, where children -- instead of playing with balls and toys-- learn to kill with rifles at the ripe old age of three? What kind of world is this? Where are the leaders who believe in peace and equality and life? It is as if the entire world is a concentration camp of fear. I am scared and fearful and sad. How is it that one faction of a fundamentalist group has the entire world [...]
10337 65 3_NPR13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:32:56 -0400364_iso-8859-1 For all of you who have been so critical of NPR coverage of the Middle East I suggest you listen to yesterday's report on the death of Dr. Applebaum (forgive me if I got the name wrong) in the Jerusalem bombing the other day. It was very symapthetic, incredibly moving, and, because it was NPR, very in depth. I believe old reports are archived at NPR's
10403 47 23_Re: What kind of world?13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 22:32:59 +020089_iso-8859-1 Got news for you Sue. It isn't any better in Africa. Rwanda, Liberia, etc. Jon
10451 129 47_re: What kind of world? - rose colored glasses?12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:19:15 -0400457_iso-8859-1 Hi Sue,<br><br>I fear it has always been thus. I didn't live though much of the 50's but my last house was built then and included a small room intended as a fallout shelter. Weren't there lots of people building shelters back then?<br><br>I share your feelings of despair at the quality (seems an ill-fitting word) of the leadership in so many parts of the world. Difficult to understand how they seethe current path as the best available. [...]
10581 66 23_Re: What kind of world?13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 17:22:34 -0400351_iso-8859-1 It is wise to remember that childhood, as we understand it, playing and carefree, is an extremely new phenomenon. For most of the human past, historic and prehistoric, childhood (the playing and carefree part) ended at a very young age, under ten, and work, either farming, or hunting/gathering, or chained to machines during the industrial
10648 52 7_Re: NPR0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:30:40 EDT219_US-ASCII I heard that report too; it was wonderful, poignant, sympathetic.<br><br>The report was by Linda Gradstein (sp?). I've liked her reports when I've heard them. She is based in Jerusalem, I believe,<br><br>Debbie
10701 50 47_Re: What kind of world? - rose colored glasses?0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:14:11 EDT503_US-ASCII This morning I attended a staff meeting at the Outreach Counseling where I facilitate a support group. We began the meeting with a Moment of Silence. After that anyone who wanted to speak had the opportunity. After we went around the room we began to speak about feelings of hopelessness. One woman said that she can not live in despair. She spoke about repairing what was needed in her little corner of the universe. That kept her from the despair. Perhaps that's what we all have to do. Ellen
10752 63 47_Re: What kind of world? - rose colored glasses?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 11 Sep 2003 23:32:18 EDT580_US-ASCII thanks to everyone who has responded. noam- and richard- except for the Japanese kamikazies of WW2 ( which was all-out war) I don't remember ever such things as suicide bombers who would just blow up people and who have no regard for life. Yeah- we did do nuclear bomb rehearsals....hiding under desks, and going into the hallway at school and holding our necks....but it was just " drills" --somehow the horror and terror of today is more real and far-reaching. While it may be true that there has been killing and murder since the dawn of civilization, it is also [...]
10816 21 11_SET Habonet12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:26:46 +0200594_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
10838 54 7_Re: NPR12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:31:08 +0200432_ISO-8859-1 Linda Gradstein is based in Jerusalem, and lives in the general area of the Emek Refaim homicide bombing. She is Orthodox and considered extremely left-wing pro-Palestianian.<br><br>I didn't hear the report (I'm in Jerusalem), but someone at work actually remarked that it would be interesting to hear how Linda reported on the bombing. I'm happy to hear that it was sympathetic, and will pass it on to my coworker. [...]
10893 27 14_I don't get it14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@hotmail.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 12:53:38 +0300576_iso-8859-1 Can someone tell me what these guys did that was wrong, They didn't pull people off the street, they were dealing with bad guys that had guns and wanted to kill them.<br><br>http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=339641&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0<br><br>Ethan<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
10921 59 7_Re: NPR13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:21:09 -0400127_iso-8859-1 Doug Greener wrote: Linda Gradstein ... She is Orthodox and considered extremely left-wing pro-Palestianian.<br><br>
10981 95 7_Re: NPR12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 06:50:50 -0400471_iso-8859-1 Hi Richard,<br><br>I often find her reporting to be more sympathetic to Palestinians. On the other hand, I've never thought of her as Orthodox ;-)<br><br>Noam<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: richard smith [mailto:rdsmith1957@msn.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:21 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: [spam] Re: NPR<br><br><br><br>Doug Greener wrote: Linda Gradstein ... She is Orthodox and considered extremely left-wing pro-Palestianian. [...]
11077 37 7_Re: NPR13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:00:32 -0400605_us-ascii I have always found her quite balanced and thorough, esp relative to FOX News and CNN. She does show that there is viewpoint and story of the ordinary Palestinian.<br><br>In my experience, the story of the ordinary Palestinian and his/her hardships under closures and his/her aspirations--which Linda Gradstein frequently tells on NPR. are seen by Israelis as being, at best as whiny and demanding and getting too much attention, and, at worst, as pure propaganda. THey forget how many stories she does on the victims of bus bombing and on what it means to live under the constant threat of [...]
11115 35 20_A Couple of Comments6_meyers23_meyers@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:42:18 +0200591_us-ascii I have a couple of comments on yesterday's digest. 1. I thought Jonathan's "Two Years On" was a wonderful spoof that, for a moment, I almost believed. 2. Sue is wrong to say they were no suicide bombers between the Japanese in World War II and the Islamists of today. To quote Walter Laqueur's recently published "No End to War, Terrorism in the 21st Century", "Considering the small number of people involved, there were proportionally many more suicide attacks in Sri Lanka than in the Middle East." The bombers were Hindus, not Moslems, and they also killed an Indian prime [...]
11151 123 18_Re: I don't get it0_26_Sharon_Gates@longbeach.gov31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 08:04:56 -0700610_us-ascii I guess I've lurked on this list long enough, and now I need to speak up.<br><br>What did these guys do wrong? For one thing, they violated the Geneva Convention against torture (http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html) , which defines torture as "... any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or [...]
11275 79 12_Today's News14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 09:42:39 -0700375_iso-8859-1 Habonet<br><br>Most of you have probably already heard or read this, but I haven't seen any response so far. Not that a response is necessarily appropriate. This certainly gives something to ponder.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Today's news included: An admonition to Israel, by Washington, not to expel Arafat.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>What in the world?!<br><br>
11355 90 16_Re: Today's News11_David Ferri26_david-ferri@wordmaster.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:55:52 -0500349_us-ascii At 9:42 -0700 9/12/03, Kleins Designs wrote: >Habonet > >Most of you have probably already heard or read this, but I haven't >seen any response so far. Not that a response is necessarily >appropriate. This certainly gives something to ponder. > > > >Today's news included: An admonition to Israel, by Washington, >not to expel Arafat. [...]
11446 78 23_Re: What kind of world?11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 11:35:48 -0600
11525 39 23_Re: What kind of world?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:07:16 EDT563_US-ASCII I never said we, as Americans, or Jews , or citizens of democracy, were totally blameless in this. I 'm just perhaps feeling hopeless and full of despair ( although I am not yet at the point where I don't function) at the total mess of the world, and what it is doing with the innocence of childhood. Yes, children worked in the fields centuries ago. Yes, many suffered during the industrial revolution, and yes, there are probably many other instances of suicide bombings in the annals of history. But I say "so what" to all of that. Obviously, we [...]
11565 456 60_Fwd: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:09:47 EDT70_US-ASCII The only way to get rid of a Hitler is to get rid of him--sue
12022 23 64_Re: Fwd: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 15:21:33 -0400635_us-ascii Great idea--make him a martyr!<br><br>Judy Gelman<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12046 24 8_Vacation12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:31:08 +0200682_us-ascii We will be on vacation for a week from Sept. 14 thru 21. Enjoy the break :)<br><br>Amnon<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12071 27 59_Re: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:53:17 EDT521_US-ASCII Well- leaving him where he is doesn't seem to work. Too bad the Israeli governemnt doesn't have the "betzim" to bombard the Palestinian people with the truth about him- his money,how he has done nothing really for "his people"- his corruption---and about the corruption in the PA....all the while encouraging suicide bombings instead of peaceful co-existence..You do realize that he has the power to preach what he wants....Do you suggest that Israel continue with the "status quo?".....shabbat shalom--sue [...]
12099 22 12_Re: Vacation0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:55:38 EDT685_US-ASCII I, for one, will miss the intellectual stimulation and punishments!--Have a nice vacation!-sue(sie)<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12122 94 59_Re: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:41:17 -0400605_iso-8859-1 If only the Israeli government would tell the Palestinians what Arafat is really like? Are you aware of just how silly that sounds?<br><br>Does anyone actually believe that killing or exiling Arafat will do one bit of good except making you feel better, that is until the retaliation starts?<br><br>Sue you ask, "what good has letting him stay there done?" By that reasoning certainly you would be against the targeted assassinations the Israelis have been practicing for the last few years. It certainly hasn't done a lot of good. If we are to believe what the Sharon government has been [...]
12217 41 59_Re: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:05:09 -0400584_us-ascii Thank you, RIchard! I read that and despaired of replying. Joe Farah has made a living out of being a right wing columnist whose writing can be labeled "Arab American." I believe he is a Christian of Lebanese descent. He is pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian. His heritage doesn't make him any wiser than the fools who read him and agree with his tripe. Merely the threat of exile results in thousands to gather in Ramallah and people wonder what would happen with an actual exile, let alone an assassination? Palestinians know he is corrupt and talks out of both sides of [...]
12259 2919 42_Fw: I just thought you'd be interested....14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:01:10 -0700450_iso-8859-1 Sun-Sentinel: PanthersYou probably do not need to open the attachment to read this. Well worth the read............<br><br>Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Carol Nalin ; Barry Szemere ; Bob and Barbara Fruitman ; Eileen Kelmanson ; Avravraham and Malka Czyzyk ; Arvin Tunick ; Geoff and Linda Remes ; Connie Tunick Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Fw: I just thought you'd be interested.... [...]
15179 82 59_Re: From Arab-American, Joseph Farah: A Solution for Arafat0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:17:11 EDT619_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/12/2003 5:37:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:<br><br>> If only the Israeli government would tell the Palestinians what Arafat is > really like? Are you aware of just how silly that sounds? > ><br><br>I don't think it is "silly." It seems obvious to me that nothing is working or has worked to stop this insanity. I don't have any answers...but why hasn't the Arab "people" done anything to help the Palestinians --except for paying families of suicide bombers----like the Jewish people did to help those immigrants who came to Israel with nothing and eventual [...]
15262 90 17_Politics External14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:38:43 -0700664_iso-8859-1 (Faux News) "In a surprise move today, the Israeli government demanded that the United States cease and desist from any and all further actions involving the search for (and the subsequent removal of) Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. Reasons cited were, oddly enough, that given their recent uprooting and relative isolation from regular activities, these two Arab leaders have probably suffered enough. More so, since these are the designated figureheads and representatives of a massive constituency of Moslems, it seems foolhardy and reckless to take the risk of further angering the Arab-in-the-street who otherwise might only simmer in his [...]
15353 47 23_RE: HABONET digest 269628_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:58:48 +0200495_US-ASCII Susie, you wrote:<br><br>"Too bad the Israeli governemnt doesn't have the "betzim" to bombard the Palestinian people with the truth about him- his money,how he has done nothing really for "his people"- his corruption---and about the corruption in the PA..."<br><br>Do you really think that the average Palestinian doesn't know about the corruption in Arafat's PA? Of course they do. However, if you think that you feel powerless, you should talk to some of the Palestinian amchah. [...]
15401 167 11_Bad tactics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 10:16:02 +0200555_windows-1255 The Leader from today's Telegraph:<br><br>Getting rid of Arafat (Filed: 13/09/2003)<br><br><br><br>A truly ruthless Israeli government would have killed Yasser Arafat in a surprise raid on his headquarters in Ramallah. It would have counted on long-term indulgence from the Bush Administration, even if the first reaction had been critical. And it would have calculated that Arab fury would gradually abate as the Palestinians realised they at last had the chance of choosing a new leader to rescue them from the cul-de-sac of violence. [...]
15569 57 23_Re: HABONET digest 26960_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 11:26:55 EDT591_US-ASCII frankie- so if they know and care, why don't they do something constructive? (maybe because they don't want to!!!)why does the entire world condemn Israel for trying to oust a terrorist leader, yet go to war and drop 5 ton bombs to try and get rid of Hussein and go to war over ben laden--what is wrong with this picture?????????? a lot of anti-Semitism and unfair reporting, and dislike for 'Israel.....it's a mess,......and now where is Bush after he said he would be "right there" to make sure his little road map provides the real peace map--well, DUH..........OK I ranted [...]
15627 22 23_Re: HABONET digest 26960_13_JLCAA@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:14:57 EDT617_US-ASCII As a matter of fact it was. Avi<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
15650 64 7_Re: NPR0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:00:47 EDT568_US-ASCII I heard the report and I agree. I wonder who saw Ted Koppel's Nightline report about reporting in a war zone. I found it very sad and compelling.<br><br>In a message dated 9/11/03 3:28:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:<br><br>> > For all of you who have been so critical of NPR coverage of the Middle East > I suggest you listen to yesterday's report on the death of Dr. Applebaum > (forgive me if I got the name wrong) in the Jerusalem bombing the other day. It > was very symapthetic, incredibly moving, and, because it was NPR, [...]
15715 35 31_to avi--Re: HABONET digest 26960_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:06:46 EDT58_US-ASCII avi? to what were you referring???????????--susie
15751 59 35_Re: to avi--Re: HABONET digest 269613_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sat, 13 Sep 2003 20:43:38 -040068_iso-8859-1 avi? to what were you referring???????????--susie<br><br>
15811 141 12_Reply to Sue28_Michal and Efraim Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:33:25 +0200462_us-ascii Sue, you wrote:<br><br>" ... so if they know and care, why don't they do something constructive? (maybe because they don't want to!!!)"<br><br>They can't. The Palestinians are under occupation by the "Tunesians" and it is a far more severe occupation than anything they experienced under Israeli military rule. A Palestinian who publicly complains about the regime or even advocates peace with Israel, runs a high risk of landing in jail or worse. [...]
15953 248 34_[Fwd: One Wall, One Man, One Vote]16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 09:37:44 -040017_us-ascii <br><br>
16202 79 16_Re: Reply to Sue13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:45:03 -0400398_iso-8859-1 I am the one who called Sue's comment silly. I am sorry if this was offensive and it was not meant to be an insult, it really wasn't. It was in reference to Sue's question as to why the Israelis don't tell the Palestinians the truth about their leadership. I think Sue knows that the Palestinians wouldn't pay any attention to Israelis telling them anything about their leadership. [...]
16282 517 62_robert fulford-yasir arafat- reprinted from the National Post.13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@netvision.net.il55_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:35:57 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)608_iso-8859-1 YASIR ARAFAT AND THE POLITICS OF DENIAL By Robert Fulford<br><br>Yasir Arafat ended his speech to the UN General Assembly on Nov. 13, 1974 with the words, “I come bearing an olive branch and a freedom-fighter’s gun. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand.” It was an obnoxious child’s insolent threat. Arafat was saying that the adults (the West, the UN, etc.) were responsible for his actions, however murderous they might turn out to be. He himself could go either way. Certainly he was innocent. All Palestinians were victims of imperialist aggression, which meant they couldn’t be [...]
16800 1038 38_Fwd: Another last chance for Arafat...0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:44:01 EDT208_US-ASCII Given our recent Habonet discussions about Arafat, I just had to forward the cartoon below to the list.<br><br>At least we can bolster ourselves with a bit of humor, and here's to better times, Aliya
17839 61 29_Need San Francisco networking0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:27:03 EDT605_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh,<br><br>Anyone know anybody living in San Francisco (the city, not Berkelely or Oakland or Marin) -- twentysomethings with Habonim-type politics who are looking for a roommate? Our daughter Orli (Galil chanicha and Naaleh and Galil tzevet/Merakezet Chinuch) starts work as the Field Media Specialist for Sierra Club on Wednesday. She has the possibility of one apartment in The Mission district but it is a rather "sketchy" part of The Mission and we're just casting the net a little wider to see if she might have a few more choices before she jumps into an unsafe one. If you [...]
17901 1107 30_Fw: Fwd: Fw: The chosen people14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:42:23 -0700556_iso-8859-1 The fact that this is good for a laugh says a lot for human resilience.<br><br>Steve<br><br>ps : Attachment does not have to be opened.<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Bill Ronayne ; Peter Van Ark ; Eitay ; Madelon Graham ; Sherry and Angela Roby Rigaud ; Odis and Nita Richardson ; Frank McCoy ; Dorothy Shapely ; Donna Pulliam ; Evan and Julie Rossio ; Randy and Gloria Adams ; Ernest Brown ; Geoff and Linda Remes ; Lynn Johnson ; Marlene and Max Gasser ; Glenn Petty ; Esta Dilley ; Steve and Monica [...]
19009 70 33_Re: Need San Francisco networking16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:00:31 -0700611_us-ascii Don't know anybody at the moment but i will keepmyears open- Linda<br><br>SC523@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> Dear Chevreh, > > Anyone know anybody living in San Francisco (the city, not Berkelely > or Oakland or Marin) -- twentysomethings with Habonim-type politics > who are looking for a roommate? Our daughter Orli (Galil chanicha and > Naaleh and Galil tzevet/Merakezet Chinuch) starts work as the Field > Media Specialist for Sierra Club on Wednesday. She has the possibility > of one apartment in The Mission district but it is a rather "sketchy" > part of The Mission and we're just casting the [...]
19080 236 54_Fwd: U.S.: "Kill Osama"; Israel: "Don't Touch Arafat!"0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:45:01 EDT82_US-ASCII I brought this up before- now I feel there is a little legitimization-sue
19317 66 6_NPR II13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:17:50 -0400364_iso-8859-1 I hope no one thinks this is a rerun on my part. I used to argue with people here that NPR was not pro-Palestinian but rather unbiased. After this morning's report by Linda Gradstien I think it may be biased in favor of Israel. She reported on the happy residence of Nablus who were so glad the Israeli soldiers returned and made the streets safe again.
19384 83 12_kill Arafat?16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 08:07:34 -0400476_us-ascii Ehud Olmert has got to be one of the dumbest clucks ever to hold a portfolio in an Israeli government. Albeit that's a rather broad statement, given the other clucks running the right-wing gambit in Israel's so-called "security cabinet," who also vie for the dumbest cluck award.<br><br>It's a close thing to guess which was the dumber statement: The Security Cabinet's policy vote on exiling Arafat, or Olmert's voiced opinion on the utility of killing Arafat. [...]
19468 58 16_Re: kill Arafat?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 10:27:41 EDT484_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/16/2003 5:07:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EliD@worldnet.att.net writes:<br><br>> Making irrelevance meaningful was > both passive and functional. And always, silence is still golden. > ><br><br>well- you may be right elihu- but haven't they tried this and it didn't work?????????/--personaly, i don't think anything will work until there is a sweeping housecleaning in some way on both sides, or the UN goes in and separates the wheat from the chaff..sue
19527 1273 16_Fwd: middle east0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 11:33:05 EDT453_US-ASCII I received the attached article by Avraham Burg from an Arab friend. My response follows:<br><br>I agree that Israel is caught in a conundrum between its moral/ethical philosophy and its political existance. As a zionist I and my fellows and sisters are plagued with the conflict between the standards of behavior and morality that are central to our values and actions as Jews, and the standards of the pragmatic politics of nationalism. [...]
20801 56 16_Re: kill Arafat?13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 14:56:16 -040083_iso-8859-1 Seldom have I been able to say what I say about Elihu Davison's comments
20858 100 13_Berg article.14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 16 Sep 2003 12:32:41 -0700379_iso-8859-1 Dennis<br><br>Dennis So beautiful an article in response to Berg's rantings. Nice job!<br><br>With your permission, I will share it with others.<br><br>If you ever get to talk with Berg, let him know we are only too aware of the Arabs' needs and dreams. They DREAM of a world with no Israel and no Jews and they NEED the weapons and the backing to accomplish it. [...]
20959 49 3_REV3_leo18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 07:41:18 +020031_us-ascii REView Habonet<br><br>
21009 26 16_Re: kill Arafat?0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com31_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 09:50:40 -0400421_iso-8859-1 Elihu. I second everything you said. I am very worried about the compentence of this security cabinet. Ehud Olmert is dangerous and incompetent. Saying that they are going to kill Arafat is just plain dumb. Elhiu should be promoted to Sgan Rosh Memshala and proceed to implement his well thought out policy. They should give him Tik Ha bitachon too. I am not being sarcastic. We are in trouble with Ehud. [...]
21036 1325 57_Israel Should Never Again Negotiate Peace With Terrorists16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:53:18 -0400101_us-ascii <br><br>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-halevi12sep12,1,1138546.story
22362 244 30_Fw: Gene Wilder's Yiddish poem14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 08:33:57 -0700597_iso-8859-1 <br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Avravraham and Malka Czyzyk ; Eileen Kelmanson ; Bob and Barbara Fruitman ; Barry Szemere ; Carol Nalin ; Connie Tunick ; Geoff and Linda Remes Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 9:03 PM Subject: Fw: Gene Wilder's Yiddish poem<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>This Yiddish poem is credited to Gene Wilder. You'll recognize some expressions, even if you are not fluent. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yiddish was the secret code, therefore I don't farshtaist, A bisseleh maybe here and there, the rest has gone to waste. [...]
22607 33 5_in NM14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT)350_us-ascii Hi, Here I am in New Mexico with my New Jersey accent after living in New England for twenty years. I am still looking for Habonim people! Someone had kindly sent me some contact information for two people but I wasn't able to locate them. Maybe they have moved on? If anyone has any other ideas, let me know! Take care, Jamie Beaumont [...]
22641 50 9_Re: in NM13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:57:43 +020086_iso-8859-1 Jamie, why are you in New Mexico? What did you do?<br><br>All the best, Jon
22692 220 128_=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fwd:=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20Editorial=20in=20NY=20Ti?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?mes=20challenging=20the=20population=20study?=0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:11:01 EDT119_US-ASCII This quality critique of the latest dubious population study is written by Habonim's JJ Goldberg.<br><br>Aliya
22913 138 37_Saving Mid-East studies/ Daniel Pipes11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:36:18 -0500749_ISO-8859-1 <br><br>Saving Mideast Studies<br><br>by Daniel Pipes New York Post September 18, 2003 http://www.danielpipes.org/article/1251 http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/6060.htm<br><br><br><br>"'Intellectual thugs," huffed Rashid Khalidi, now of Columbia University. "Cyber-stalking," whined Juan Cole of the University of Michigan. "Crude McCarthyism" sniffed David Bartram of the University of Reading. "Totalitarian" thundered Jenine Abboushi of New York University.<br><br>What so outrages these academic specialists on the Middle East? It's called Campus Watch (campus-watch.org), and it's a project I started a year ago today to "review and critique Middle East studies in North America, with an aim to improving them." [...]
23052 29 30_Baffled by different headlines11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:52:17 -0700440_iso-8859-1 For the last two days Galie Tzhal's website has been headlining Israel's actions in Jenin. Yet Ha'aretz's English site has no mention of this except for the IDF blowing up a car meant to be used in a terror attack. On the other hand, Ha'aretz does give second bill to a story on: Reserve pilots group to refuse to carry out targeted killings of Palestinians (this link is to the English version of the story). Any thoughts? [...]
23082 68 9_Re: in NM14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:29:51 -0700 (PDT)517_us-ascii Hi Jon, You make it sound like I am in prison! What kind of question is that, what did you do! After highschool I lived in Israel for 3 1/2 years then in West Germany for 1 1/2 years. I moved to Massachusetts to go to college and ended up getting stuck there for twenty year, studying and working. I haven't made definate long term plans for a long time, just kind of made decisions based on options that came up. I decided to be more conscious about what and where I am. I have wanted to move here for [...]
23151 47 9_Re: in NM13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 15:34:45 +020098_iso-8859-1 Hey Jamie. I was only kidding. I'm glad to hear that you're doing interesting work. Jon
23199 32 9_Re: in NM14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:44:01 -0700 (PDT)393_us-ascii If I get the job. Cross your fingers for me! I knew you were kidding. :o) Jamie --- Jonathan Baum <jonbaum@sasa.org.il> wrote: > Hey Jamie. I was only kidding. I'm glad to hear that > you're doing interesting work. Jon ><br><br><br><br>__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com [...]
23232 122 10_chat rooms13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 11:14:21 -0400371_iso-8859-1 I suppose it's a sign of too much free time on my hands, but for the last week and a half I've been dropping in on chat rooms on msn whose topic was the Middle East.<br><br>Having been almost totally ignorant of what goes on in chat rooms, my closest and only experience being Habonet, I was a bit shocked at the opinions expressed by the people in them. [...]
23355 35 34_Re: Baffled by different headlines15_Judith R Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 19 Sep 2003 18:50:43 -0400544_us-ascii I read about the car a couple days ago on Ha'aretz. Judy<br><br>Batel Libes wrote:<br><br>> For the last two days Galie Tzhal's website has been headlining Israel's > actions in Jenin. Yet Ha'aretz's English site has no mention of this except > for the IDF blowing up a car meant to be used in a terror attack. On the > other hand, Ha'aretz does give second bill to a story on: Reserve pilots > group to refuse to carry out targeted killings of Palestinians (this link > is to the English version of the story). Any thoughts? > > [...]
23391 161 61_Re: Want to hear JJ rock the Jewish establishment in person??0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:29:24 EDT507_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/19/03 12:10:59 AM, Aliya writes:<br><br>> This quality critique of the latest dubious population study is written by > Habonim's JJ Goldberg. > > Aliya > "We can't afford to wait a decade before these figures are revised. The false population decline must be corrected before it further sours communal discourse. The United Jewish Communities owes it to itself and its public to step forward and state plainly what it knows to be true: American Jews are not disappearing. [...]
23553 144 14_Re: chat rooms0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Sat, 20 Sep 2003 01:38:38 EDT373_ISO-8859-1 <br><br>Chevre, Shabat Shalom<br><br>Richard is right, you know. So much so that I've said before and I'll say again that if someone of us would take the time to edit the archives of Habonet, and get the necessary permissions from those excerpted, you'd have a damned good book to publish - profits shared 50-50 with the Habonim Dror Foundation, of course. [...]
23698 301 53_Fwd: Wesley Clark's Jewish Roots / thoughts on Israel0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:32:09 EDT176_US-ASCII I have a feeling that Clark may be a bit too military-minded for many of us on this list, but I thought you'd find this article interesting in terms of heritage. Aliya
24000 118 11_Re: Jubilee14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 02:01:23 -0700 (PDT)456_us-ascii This is a little late, but, yes, speaking for myself, I am reading your posts but have no knowledge about the subject so I certainly couldn't correct you. Thanks for explaining the nuances of the law. I found it interesting. It reminds me of how most public libraries have a grace period (usually once a year) when people can bring back overdue materials and have their fines erased. Maybe this was influened by the Jubilee? Take care, Jamie [...]
24119 725 31_But is Chabad Lubavitch Jewish?16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:20:13 -0400143_us-ascii <br><br>http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/21/magazine/21SCHNEERSON.html?ei=1&en=5c5c618afbdcee37&ex=1065130356&pagewanted=print&position=
24845 603 53_Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:00:18 EDT597_ISO-8859-1 Chevre, Shalom v'shana Tova<br><br>Just opened my Habonet digest for yesterday only to find that my two messages were the only ones posted! "Chaver Steve Day" on Habonet?? Hmmm.<br><br>Which made it especially painful to see how each message came first as an OK formatted text message, more or less the way that I thought I sent it. But right after the "normal" version there appeared a duplicate message with all sorts of internet gobbledygook (see below for how it come out on my computer). This seems to accompany many messages posted to Habonet that I receive via digest mode. [...]
25449 301 57_Re: Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:23:44 -0400400_iso-8859-1 Comrade Nevets,<br><br>Some subscribers still send HTML-formatted messages to Habonet, although I have many times asked that this not be done (same thing goes for attachments). You probably have your mail set for text only, so it converts the HTML to text, and adds the original HTML as well at the end (the gobbledygook). For a more detailed explanation look up MIME and HTML email. [...]
25751 38 14_Re: chat rooms15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:24:40 -0400421_iso-8859-1 I will have to agree wholeheartedly with Richard.<br><br>--brian<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "richard smith" <rdsmith1957@msn.com> To: "habonet" <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: chat rooms<br><br><br><br>> .... > I think we should congratulate ourselves for the high level of our discussions and the civility we show each other. > > Richard > [...]
25790 56 14_chabad article7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:17:16 +0200413_windows-1255 thank you Eliahu for sending the article in. I found it very interesting. I also was shocked when I went to 770 last year and found the lettering about the Rebbe's death scratched out of the stone. After that I walked the streets of Crown Heights with my Lubavitcher brother-in-law, shouting at the top of my lungs He's dead! He's dead!! Nothing happened to me. (Did I ever claim to be normal?) [...]
25847 46 18_Re: chabad article13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:00:40 +020073_windows-1255 Pearl, maybe they thought you were shouting about Elvis. Jon
25894 41 57_Re: Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:47:06 EDT331_US-ASCII Brian, I don't remember you asking us to send in plain text. Sorry.....some of my posts probably came through with that gobbledegook.<br><br>The default for AOL is rich text format. There are two solutions that I know about.<br><br>1. AOL folks can go to the AOL web site, www.aol.com, and do their email from there. [...]
25936 31 18_Re: chabad article15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:07:31 -0400555_windows-1255 But Elvis isn't dead.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Baum" <jonbaum@sasa.org.il> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 5:00 PM Subject: Re: chabad article<br><br><br><br>> Pearl, maybe they thought you were shouting about Elvis. Jon ><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
25968 34 19_Gilboa needs a site11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:02:56 -0700430_iso-8859-1 Gilboa is looking for a site to rent for its machane for next summer. If anyone on this list is a real estate agent or knows of someone who is and who can help us fund such a site, please have them contact either myself or the Gilboa camp committee a.s.a.p. Without a site we are unable to start promoting next summer and therefore there is a very good chance there will not be a camp on the West Coast next year. [...]
26003 36 57_Re: Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:24:04 EDT69_US-ASCII I got it on single list without any of the gobbledegook. ACC
26040 63 13_chat rooms II13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:11:39 -0400225_iso-8859-1 I can not believe I failed to tell my fellow Haboneters the rest of the story.<br><br>During my week and half fascination with political chat rooms I succeeded in being "booted" (kicked out) of both pro-Israeli and
26104 97 17_Re: chat rooms II14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:36:58 +0200341_iso-8859-1 You could try foot fetishes or bagpipe chat next time-maybe meet some nicer people:) (Just kidding) Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: richard smith To: habonet Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: chat rooms II<br><br><br><br>I can not believe I failed to tell my fellow Haboneters the rest of the story. [...]
26202 62 17_Re: chat rooms II13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:46:11 -0400124_iso-8859-1 You could try foot fetishes or bagpipe chat next time-maybe meet some nicer people:) (Just kidding) Aviva<br><br>
26265 45 23_RE: Gilboa needs a site6_Kathee26_holycowfoods@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:27:00 -0700631_iso-8859-1 I do believe Camp Miriam qualifies as being on the West Coast!<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Batel Libes Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:03 PM To: Habonet Subject: Gilboa needs a site<br><br>Gilboa is looking for a site to rent for its machane for next summer. If anyone on this list is a real estate agent or knows of someone who is and who can help us fund such a site, please have them contact either myself or the Gilboa camp committee a.s.a.p. Without a site we are unable to start promoting next summer and therefore there [...]
26311 54 23_RE: Gilboa needs a site5_Batel25_batel_libes@earthlink.net43_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 11:20:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00)554_us-ascii let's not go there with the competition, etc. Gilboa needs help and that's what this should be about.<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Kathee <holycowfoods@earthlink.net> Sent: Sep 22, 2003 10:27 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: RE: Gilboa needs a site<br><br>I do believe Camp Miriam qualifies as being on the West Coast!<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Batel Libes Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:03 PM To: Habonet Subject: Gilboa needs a site [...]
26366 26 57_Re: Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages11_Roslyn Lang20_langr@georgetown.edu31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:27:08 -0400325_ISO-8859-1 I also have a hard time reading the digest of gobbledegook, but I am not on AOL, and my mail normally shows HTML just fine. Nevertheless, Habonet comes out with so much unreadable information that it is difficult and annoying to go through it. Any suggestions? (I'm on Netscape, now called Mozilla). Roz Lang [...]
26393 57 57_RE: Eliminating the messy duplication in Habonet messages12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:07:08 -0400332_- If you don't read the digest most email systems display the HTML just fine. The digesting process interferes with the codes which tell the email software how to display a particular message. The only thing that really works is if everyone cooperates and only sends plain text.<br><br>Good luck (i.e. that will never happen)! [...]
26451 55 51_Fw: Shana Tova + Free Jewish Holiday Reference Card7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:57:08 +0200527_iso-8859-1 following is Jacob Richman's holiday references which are even more organized and advanced than before. Hope they will be of good use to you all! shana tova, pearl<br><br>Hi Everyone!<br><br>Rosh Hashana, the Jewish New Year 5764, begins Friday evening, September 26, 2003 and continues until Sunday evening, September 28, 2003.<br><br>I created a three year Jewish holiday reference card which I posted on my website for you to view, download or print. The address is: http://www.jr.co.il/index2.html#calendar [...]
26507 74 21_Re: Fw: Hole in Sheet7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:18:56 +0200376_iso-8859-1 eliot, I think they don't take this too seriously. (see below). thanks a lot for helping with your responses. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Baum To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Hole in Sheet<br><br><br><br>Never mind this "hole in a sheet" stuff. What does Jewish law state about handcuffs? [...]
26582 63 17_Re: chat rooms II0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:45:07 EDT387_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/22/03 7:07:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:<br><br>> > > I can not believe I failed to tell my fellow Haboneters the rest of the > story. > > During my week and half fascination with political chat rooms I succeeded in > being "booted" (kicked out) of both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian rooms. > I did this without cussing. > [...]
26646 47 27_RE: RE: Gilboa needs a site6_Kathee26_holycowfoods@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:31:30 -0700589_iso-8859-1 Batel: For some reason I'm not able to answer your last reply directly.... strange computer things ...so I haven't copied your comment.. So at the risk of repeating myself (if any of my other attempts eventually go through) I will repeat my reply to your reply......<br><br>As a Gilboa girl myself (and former rosh machaneh), I was hardly being "competitive" by correcting a factual error. FYI: although Miriam is closer to us physically, I chose to send my kids to Gilboa to support the machaneh. The other 3 Habonim families here in Eugene go to Miriam. So, for those of [...]
26694 24 47_Shanah Tovah (caution links to site with sound)11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:08:22 -0500712_us-ascii Wishing you a year of peace, health, and prosperity, Rozzie<br><br>http://212.68.158.143/kehil/music03/music/tali1.swf<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
26719 59 23_RE: Gilboa needs a site13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:06:07 -0400128_iso-8859-1 I came very close to sending the same comment Kathee did so share her feelings about the response it brought.<br><br>
26779 224 23_RE: Gilboa needs a site0_25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0700360_iso-8859-1 Hi, I guess being faced with the closure of Gilboa increases sensitivity. Your posting seemed to be sarcastic and lacking any compassion. I did make a factual mistake, but I don’t think it changes the essence of the situation which is really what should have been addressed. I apologize if in my haste my reply was too strong and offended you. [...]
27004 286 18_Fw: The Cow Theory14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:45:35 +0200593_iso-8859-1 Anyone want to try penning a Jewish cow? An Israeli one? Perhaps a kibbutz cow? Could be fun-there are so many clever Habonetters out there....and Happy New year to them all! Aviva -----<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>THE COW THEORY DEMOCRAT:<br><br>You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous. Barbara Streisand sings [...]
27291 55 18_Re: The Cow Theory13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:02:42 +0200173_iso-8859-1 Kibbutz cows:<br><br>You have 400 cows. They get milked 4 times a day... by your Thai workers, so you never have to see or smell them. They're good for cash flow.
27347 326 18_Re: The Cow Theory14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:33:24 +0200451_iso-8859-1 Ultra -orthodox Jewish cows-now extinct-the bulls couldn't find the holes in the sheets. ----- Original Message ----- From: aviva grosbard To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: Fw: The Cow Theory<br><br><br><br>Anyone want to try penning a Jewish cow? An Israeli one? Perhaps a kibbutz cow? Could be fun-there are so many clever Habonetters out there....and Happy New year to them all! Aviva ----- [...]
27674 62 18_Re: The Cow Theory14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:34:45 +0200292_iso-8859-1 Funny - I remember seeing a sign at the freezer locker place in White Pidgeon, Michigan where we stored the frozen meat for Tavor. The sign had the socialist, communist and capitalist situations. The owner of the place was a John Bircher, BTW................<br><br>Holtzer<br><br>
27737 60 18_Re: The Cow Theory0_23_jacknusan@earthlink.net43_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:09:00 -0800 (GMT-08:00)887_us-ascii -----Original Message----- From: Holtzer Family <carmdave@urim.org.il> Sent: Sep 23, 2003 10:34 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: The Cow Theory<br><br><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2730.1700" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Funny - I remember seeing a sign at the freezer locker place in White Pidgeon, Michigan where we stored the frozen meat for Tavor.&nbsp; The sign had the socialist, communist and capitalist situations.&nbsp; The owner of the place was a John Bircher, BTW................&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Holtzer</DIV> <P></P></BODY></HTML> [...]
27798 210 23_RE: Gilboa needs a site6_Kathee26_holycowfoods@earthlink.net31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:53:47 -0700515_iso-8859-1 Hey Richard, I was trying for an alliteration of the Yiddish, shmist….you know “creamed”,” cut into pieces”,….does anyone know the spelling to convey this word? Maybe the “t” part is really English “ed” for past tense added to a Yiddish word. Any Yiddish experts out there?<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of richard smith Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 8:06 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: RE: Gilboa needs a site [...]
28009 226 23_Re: Gilboa needs a site20_Gayle, Mark and Ayah18_sarazen@rogers.com31_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:49:42 -0400530_iso-8859-1 Not a Yiddish expert, but I might spell it "shmiced", like "diced" : )<br><br>Gayle ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathee To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: RE: Gilboa needs a site<br><br><br><br>Hey Richard, I was trying for an alliteration of the Yiddish, shmist..you know "creamed"," cut into pieces",..does anyone know the spelling to convey this word? Maybe the "t" part is really English "ed" for past tense added to a Yiddish word. Any Yiddish experts out there? [...]
28236 56 12_(no subject)0_14_Gezer2@aol.com29_Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:43:36 EDT338_US-ASCII I don't usually post a message, but I felt this book is really worth reading<br><br>Our Hearts Invented a Place by Jo-Anne Mort and Gary Brenner is a fascinating study of what happened to Kibbutz and the changes taking place as well as how it has affected people.<br><br>A must read for anyone who has ever lived on Kibbutz [...]
28293 27 19_FYI- lecture in NYC11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 05:52:57 -0500385_us-ascii FYI:The Skirball Department of Hebrew and Judaic Studies and the Taub Center of Israel Studies announce a public lecture by famed Israeli author, Sami Michael: "East and West in Israeli Culture" at 5:30pm on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 In the Kimmel Center, Room 808. [60 Washington Square South] Refreshments. Please RSVP to Shayne Figueroa at (212) 998-8980 slf1@nyu.eud [...]
28321 25 13_A real Mitzva14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@hotmail.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:54:13 +0300493_iso-8859-1 We need someone to bring a Torah to Israel from Pittsburg. If anyone knows someone who maybe able to help please contact me. We really need a proper kosher Torah. We will arrange to get it down to Eilat.<br><br>Ethan<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
28347 550 49_Fw: KGB Helps Orchestrate the Palestinian Problem14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:55:39 -0700632_iso-8859-1 <br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Steve Klein Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Fw: KGB Helps Orchestrate the Palestinian Problem<br><br><br><br>Habonet<br><br>This is about as riviting as it gets.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Plager To: Marcia Plager Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 8:25 PM<br><br><br><br>Friends,<br><br>Birthday boy Shimon Peres, who rehabilitated Yasir Arafat, worked right into the hands of the KGB poster boy. Read this unbelievable eye-opener about Arafat from a former head of Romanian intelligence... [...]
28898 51 17_Re: A real Mitzva0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:21:58 EDT275_US-ASCII Ethan, Idon't quite understand. Do you mean Pittsburgh, PA? Why does it need to come from there? I might be able to put you in touch with some possibilities, but it seems like bringing coal to Newcastle and they are going to need lots more information.<br><br>Debbie
28950 140 15_Chiune Sugihara14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:19:54 -0700593_iso-8859-1 Fellow Habonetters<br><br>One of the most meaningful experiences of my short life took place the other night at a temple not far from my home. It was a screening and discussion of the documentary about the life of Chiune (Chee-oo-nay) Sugihara, the Japanese consulate in Lithuania at the time of the German invasion. The movie itself was a full two hours, but they are cutting it down to 86 minutes for a PBS special in April (Hopefully, as they still need a corporate sponsor). This is the story of compassion at its greatest, even more poignant considering that the Japanese [...]
29091 59 10_correction14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:30:53 -0700120_iso-8859-1 Sorry<br><br>It is the e-mail, not URL for the Sugihara documentary.<br><br>E-mail: diestelle@aol.com<br><br>
29151 131 23_THE COW THEORY - Jewish0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:36:41 EDT382_US-ASCII Oops. I got carried away. Here's a couple of Jewish cows:<br><br>You have one cow. You could have at least had two.<br><br><br><br><br><br>You have one cow. The Cohens have two. You gossip about that with the Rabbi. He talks you into donating your one cow to the building fund.<br><br><br><br><br><br>You have one cow. It's kosher. Shabbat dinner is going to be a-ok. [...]
29283 131 39_More original Cow Theory from my friend0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:45:14 EDT486_US-ASCII Remember: You heard it first here on Habonet<br><br>Chaver Steve<br><br>Shana Tova =========================================<br><br>Al Qaeda:<br><br>You have one cow. You detonate it in a crowded marketplace. Everyone gets free hamburgers. You are declared a martyr.<br><br>Arnold Schwarzenegger:<br><br>You "befriend" 5 cows. All at once. In 1976. You take same steroids as your 5 cows. You get as big as 5 cows. You threaten democracy in California. Everyone has a cow. [...]
29415 153 27_Re: THE COW THEORY - Jewish14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:22:57 +0200357_ISO-8859-1 These made my day Steve-did you make them up yourself? or are they "borrowed"? In any case-Thanks for sharing-Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: NEVETS2@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: THE COW THEORY - Jewish<br><br><br><br>Oops. I got carried away. Here's a couple of Jewish cows: [...]
29569 48 0_12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:56:57 +0200240_us-ascii Jack,<br><br>I'm glad you're coming in October. I've been out of the loop for a while so I don't have a clue how you can contact Sari Nusseibeh. When you get to Jerusalem our phone number is 6733253.<br><br>l'hishtamea<br><br>Amnon
29618 21 11_Shana Tova!0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:07:09 EDT648_US-ASCII To everyone who is on this list- Shana tova, shnat shalom--sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
29640 50 17_ON THE ROAD AGAIN0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:34:23 EDT357_UTF-8 ON THE ROAD AGAIN<br><br>SHANA TOVA<br><br><br><br>BUD WACHTER, THE GREAT BANJOIST, AND STEVE HANCOFF ARE GOING ON TOUR AGAIN FROM SEPTEMBER 29 UNTIL NOVEMBER 1, THIS TIME TO THE FAR EAST! AND BETH TROY IS COMING TOO, AND SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO PRACTICE!<br><br>WE WILL BE APPEARING IN:<br><br>TAIWAN –- TAIPEI, ZHONG-LI, TAO-YUAN, KAOHSIUNG [...]
29691 58 21_Re: ON THE ROAD AGAIN13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:14:26 -0400112_UTF-8 BUD WACHTER, THE GREAT BANJOIST<br><br>Never heard of this fellow. Is he really better than Bela Fleck and
29750 54 21_Re: ON THE ROAD AGAIN13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:15:08 -040075_UTF-8 Sorry, I can't read, thought it said greatest, please ignore the last
29805 90 23_FW: Young Professionals11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:30:47 -0500527_us-ascii ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Peter Geffen" <pgeffen@nyc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:13:52 -0400<br><br>Dear Kivunim Friends:<br><br>The Jewish Agency is offering a free program in Israel to young professionals working in the Jewish community...JCC workers, community organization people, synagogue folks, etc...please read the attached website materials and then pass it to people in this category...they have spaces available and cannot fill them, which is a pity. [...]
29896 33 21_Re: ON THE ROAD AGAIN0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:19:51 EDT598_US-ASCII <<BUD WACHTER, THE GREAT BANJOIST<br><br><br><br>Never heard of this fellow. Is he really better than Bela Fleck and Alison Brown?>><br><br>RICHARD,<br><br>THERE IS A SAYING IN THE MUSIC WORLD: HE'S SO GOOD NOBODY'S EVER HEARD OF HIM. I CAN TELL YOU BELA STOLE BUD'S ARRANGEMENT OF "IN MOTO PERPETUO."<br><br>STEVEN<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
29930 77 14_Re: Cow Theory0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:29:05 EDT457_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 9/25/03 12:48:31 AM, Aviva writes:<br><br><br><br>> These made my day Steve-did you make them up yourself? or are they = > "borrowed"? In any case-Thanks for sharing-Aviva > ================================================== Aviva, Shana Tova<br><br>Thanks for the feedback.<br><br>I have a secret source for great original humor - my son-in-law, Geoff who is a very gifted copywriter. He just wrote them yesterday! [...]
30008 132 14_Re: Cow Theory14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:22:25 +0200409_ISO-8859-1 nice to hear in-laws "kvell" I have two "gems" of my own-and one even participated in providing me with a grandson :) Happy New Year to you all-Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: NEVETS2@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Cc: gskigen@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: Re: Cow Theory<br><br><br><br><br><br>In a message dated 9/25/03 12:48:31 AM, Aviva writes: [...]
30141 3168 6_update14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 06:54:32 -0700 (PDT)543_us-ascii Hi, Just wanted everyone to know that I was offered the schoo librarian job I wanted (and one I didn't want which I declined) at the Native American reservation. I am very excited about this special opportunity to learn and contribute. Thank you to those who replied to my query about there being Habonim people out here in NM. I have gotten in touch with one person and am meeting the friend of a Habonimnik. I am attaching a picture of the view from my back courtyard. If anyone comes to NM feel free to look me up! Take care, [...]
33310 186 36_Rutgers and the Middle East/ Haaretz11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:23:54 -0500462_us-ascii Rutgers campus politics makes Mideast a local New Jersey issue<br><br>By Nathan Guttman<br><br><br><br><br><br>WASHINGTON - Ever since the intifada began, college campuses have been the principal battlefield for pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian organizations in America. The most recent engagement took place at Rutgers University in New Jersey - and it has already drawn in local politicians, Jewish organizations and the university administration. [...]
33497 219 23_Re: Israel Technologies8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:44:05 +0200441_ISO-8859-1 Dear Ros,<br><br>Many thanks for this important information. For those of us who live in Israel, it's a big boast to our moral and will help us hold our heads high among nations who look down on us.<br><br>??? ????<br><br>Mollie Marx<br><br>Many thanks for ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Barland" <rbarland@mjds.org> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:41 AM Subject: Israel Technologies [...]
33717 44 10_Earl Jaffe14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com37_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT)565_us-ascii Hi, Does anyone remember Earl Jaffe and know what happened to him? He probably doesn't remember me but Noam did, which amazed me. He was a madrich at Galil in '72 or '73 when I was a chanicha. I had a huge crush on him. He was may little brother, Steven (or Howie, his nickname)'s madrich and Steven really looked up to him. Sorry I am sending such self-centered emails lately. I do read and appreciate all the political, religious, philosophical and humorous postings here! I have been forwarding some of them to my dad, even though he didn't belong [...]
33762 60 14_Re: Earl Jaffe13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:19:15 -0400127_iso-8859-1 especially since now in retrospect he thinks all people in Habonim were and are potheads and anti-religious.<br><br>
33823 26 20_Hoot leaders wanted!0_15_RONOREN@aol.com31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:11:57 -0400421_iso-8859-1 The Habonet folk come up with some pretty amazing contacts, so I thought I'd give this one a try. I'm researching the setup of a folk music program in the Los Angeles area for schoolchildren. Anyone know of hoot/songleaders in the area? Emphasis is on the classic American folksongs, Guthrie/Seeger tradition. You/they can reply to me personally: ronoren@aol.com Todah rabah! Ron Orenstein Gilboa Wksp 25 [...]
33850 435 13_Good riddance13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:40:07 +0200435_windows-1255 >From today's Telegraph:<br><br>Edward Said (Filed: 26/09/2003)<br><br><br><br>Edward Said, who has died aged 67, was the American literary scholar responsible for launching "post-colonial studies"; he was also a strenuous advocate of Palestinian rights, although his own identification with refugees and victims became the subject of bitter dispute after it emerged that he had exaggerated details of his childhood. [...]
34286 188 10_IM mitzvah13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:58:10 +0200515_windows-1255 Do you get the feeling that the whole cell phone scene is getting out of hand?<br><br>A Happy and Peaceful New Year to everyone on the Habonet.<br><br>Jon<br><br>Israelis Send Text Prayers to Western Wall Thu Sep 25,10:40 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!<br><br><br><br><br><br>JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Jews too lazy or busy to visit Jerusalem's Western Wall are sending their prayers by mobile phone text message to a rabbi who places a printed copy in the holy site's stone crevasses. [...]
34475 37 17_Re: Good riddance15_Judith R Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:49:05 -0400588_us-ascii I read his autobiography of his childhood and it is the best case I know for the argument that there is no such thing as a Palestinian. His family was spread from Egypt to Lebanon before 1948 with winter homes and summer homes and businesses and relatives throughout. It would be like my being expelled or displaced from DC and raising my children for the cause of Washingtonianism. His family may have lost property (debatable) but they did not lose their identity or culture, which was extremely cosmopolitan and independent of that accident of place at the moment he was [...]
34513 54 17_Re: Good riddance13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 06:53:06 -040013_windows-1255 
34568 395 52_The Old Man and the Dream/ Doron Rosenblum, Ha'aretz11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 07:34:17 -0500316_us-ascii The Old Man and the dream<br><br>By Doron Rosenblum<br><br>A tale for the Days of Awe<br><br>One fine fall day in the late 1950s, a man no longer young and a bit odd looking - dwarfish, flat-nosed, with flashing eyes and a halo of hair enclosing a bald pate - went to lie down for an afternoon siesta. [...]
34964 61 17_Re: Good riddance13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:54:49 +0200282_windows-1255 Perhaps you're right Richard. Not joy...just a somber satisfaction that the world is a slightly better place this day. One less terrorism supporter, one less apologist for racism and violence, one less enemy. I wish him his 72 virgins.<br><br>Happy New Year,<br><br>Jon
35026 523 50_Steve & Dorna Weinberg has sent you an Apple iCard12_Apple iCards15_nevets2@aol.com31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:14:13 -0700
35550 59 17_Re: Good riddance15_Judith R Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:43:03 -0400380_us-ascii I don't think Christians get virgins from Allah.<br><br>shana tova, Judy<br><br>Jonathan Baum wrote:<br><br>> Perhaps you're right Richard. Not joy...just a somber satisfaction > that the world is a slightly better place this day. One less terrorism > supporter, one less apologist for racism and violence, one less enemy. > I wish him his 72 virgins. Happy New Year, Jon
35610 44 17_Re: Good riddance13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:09:05 +020053_iso-8859-1 Good point. Thanks for the correction. Jon
35655 128 39_The immorality of the Ten Commandments.11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:21:46 -0600645_iso-8859-1 The immorality of the Ten Commandments. By Christopher Hitchens Posted Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 2:04 PM PT<br><br>The row over the boulder-sized version of the so-called "Ten Commandments," and as to whether they should be exhibited in such massive shape on public property, misses the opportunity to consider these top-10 divine ordinances and their relationship to original intent. Judge Roy Moore is clearly, as well as a fool and a publicity-hound, a man who identifies the Mount Sinai orders to Moses with a certain interpretation of Protestantism. But we may ask ourselves why any sect, however primitive, would want [...]
35784 54 21_Gush Shalom/Peace Now13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:32:15 -040081_iso-8859-1 Can someone on this list tell me if there is a difference between Gush
35839 92 25_Re: Gush Shalom/Peace Now13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Sat, 27 Sep 2003 22:18:01 +0300344_iso-8859-1 I think Gush Shalom is a coalition of more radical leftist groups while Peace Now is a more moderate leftist organization closely aligned with the Meretz and Labor Parties. Avi Rosenberg Gezer ----- Original Message ----- From: richard smith To: habonet Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 9:32 PM Subject: Gush Shalom/Peace Now [...]
35932 43 26_A chuckle for the new year11_Lon Ephraim14_cbma@erols.com31_Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:39:47 -0400570_us-ascii One Rosh Hashanah morning, the Rabbi noticed little Adam was staring up at the large plaque that hung in the foyer of the synagogue. It was covered with names, and small American flags were mounted on either side of it. The seven-year old had been staring at the plaque for some time, so the Rabbi walked up, stood beside the boy, and said quietly, "Good morning, Adam." "Good morning Rabbi," replied the young man, still focused on the plaque. "Rabbi Bernstein, what is this?" Adam asked. "Well, it's a memorial to all the young men and women who died in [...]
35976 24 21_Gush Shalom/Peace Now6_meyers23_meyers@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:48:58 +0200480_us-ascii The difference between the two, as I see it, is that Peace Now says that we Israelis are sometimes right and sometimes wrong, while Gush Shalom says we are always wrong. Shana Tova, Nechemia Meyers<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
36001 309 17_Fwd: Yamim Noraim12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:32:39 +0200674_us-ascii <br><br>>Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:30:42 +0200 >To: Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh <habonet@shamash.org> >From: Amnon Hadary <amriv@netvision.net.il> >Subject: Yamim Noraim > >In Siach Lohamim, Soldiers Talk About the Six Day War, several poets, >essayists, and just plain soldiers, from kibbutzim, opened a critical >aperture which served as an escape valve for heretofore repressed anguish >and woe. Expression of actual grief was domesticated, no longer a taboo >subject. > >The first of the following two poems "Prayer For the Days of Awe" by >Mordechai Amitai was written after the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and "Blood >Covenant" by Emanuel Tzabar while [...]
36311 150 43_Re: The immorality of the Ten Commandments.7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:00:19 +0200589_iso-8859-1 . I can't understand the necessity to print this ridiculous article in Habonet. It shows a complete and total ignorance of the Bible and the times in which it was written. > If one studies the reasoning behind the various laws and commandments one learns of the morality and ethical behavior involved. e.g., slavery in the days of the Bible was completely different than the slavery we are familiar with in 19th century USA. Slavery was indentured servitude to pay off debt, and it prevented people from starving to death in those days (there was no welfare state). At the [...]
36462 72 43_Re: The immorality of the Ten Commandments.13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:59:01 -0400349_iso-8859-1 Pearl<br><br>This article was a response to an incident in the US this summer in which an Alabama judge insisted on posting a two ton copy of the Ten Commandments in front of the courthouse and tried to disregard a Supreme Court ruling that they had to be removed.<br><br>I assume your didn't understand the context and there is no reason
36535 49 34_Re: Question for listserve manager15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 00:01:08 -0400329_iso-8859-1 Trudy,<br><br>Your subscription is set to "ACK" (i.e., Acknowledge) which means you should receive copies of any email you post to Habonet. The only thing I can suggest is to check if you have any Spam filters or something like that, that may be stopping certaing messages if they look like Spam for some reason. [...]
36585 122 43_Re: The immorality of the Ten Commandments.7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:28:40 +0200583_iso-8859-1 shalom, as an unfortunate reader of 4 newspapers (two on a daily basis), and two others also weekly, I did learn about the decision regarding the 10 commandments decision, however, I read the article as a negative affirmation of not placing the 10 commandments in the courthouse. I have no position on whether this should be done or not, since I do not live in the States. It just seemed to me that such an article, which shows such ignorance of the deeper, historic significance of Jewish laws, could be accepted as legitimate by people with little knowledge of the [...]
36708 65 27_History-Los Angeles Habonim0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 03:05:28 EDT662_US-ASCII An article was just published on the early history of Los Angeles Habonim by Adar Belinkoff (L.A. Habonim 1941-1949, founding member of Kibbutz Gesher Haziv) in the Newsletter of the Jewish Geneological Society of Los Angeles. It can be viewed at http://www.geocities.com/adarelanab/rootskeyarticle/article.html<br><br>Be sure to follow the link at the end of the article to view photos of early Habonim Camps that I supplied from our Shoshana Archives of Los Angeles-Area Habonim. Click the link, which takes you to the Geneological Society Homepage. Click "Enter the world of our Ancestors" and read down the page to "Institutions", and click on [...]
36774 67 0_14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:46:37 +0200218_windows-1255 Going on vacation until Oct 10th. Please dont send mail til I return:) See you then-Best wishes-Aviva<br><br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>
36842 248 20_Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:32:09 -0700492_iso-8859-1 Fwd: Fw: ESTEE LAUDERPassing this along.<br><br>Steve ----- Original Message -----<br><br>Subject: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER<br><br><br><br><br><br>Estee Lauder Corporation (which is also is the parent company of Clinque, Prescriptives, Mac, Bobbie Brown, La Mer, Jo Malone, Origins, Aramis, Aveda and Bumble and Bumble) is being boycotted by a loud and ambitious campaign of the world's Arab and Muslim community due to Ron Lauder's (Estee Lauder's President) support for Israel. [...]
37091 23 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:35:38 EDT460_US-ASCII Steve- I printed out a few copies of this and am passing it around at work--Ron Lauder is a friend of my boss's...But I wonder how effective an Arab boycott of cosmetics is????......sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
37115 112 17_Re: A real Mitzva14_Ethan Schwartz23_arava_eilat@hotmail.com31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:12:39 +0300334_iso-8859-1 M'Pittsburg yotzeh Torah Debbie, The Torah is a Torah that was recovered from Europe. It is being checked and repaired in Pittsburg and has been kindly donated to our growing Conservative, equalitarian community here in Eilat. The Conservative Movement is not supported by the government as are the "Orthodox" groups. [...]
37228 46 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:06:35 -0700535_iso-8859-1 Sue<br><br>If you were trying to be funny, then congrats. If not, it was funny anyway.<br><br>Shana Tova Tova!<br><br>Love<br><br>us<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: <LiberHawke@aol.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER<br><br><br><br>> Steve- I printed out a few copies of this and am passing it around at > work--Ron Lauder is a friend of my boss's...But I wonder how effective an Arab > boycott of cosmetics is????......sue > > > [...]
37275 227 16_Ten Commandments14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:38:49 +0000425_- Shalom Pearl,<br><br>Your objections to Christopher Hitchen's article are consistent with long-standing Jewish tradition regarding Christian interpretation of the significance and centrality of the TEN COMMANDMENTS.<br><br>The Mishnah (Tamid, Chapter 5:1) relates that the TEN COMMANDMENTS were recited before the paragraphs of the Shema as part of the prayer service that accompanied sacrifices in the Second Temple. [...]
37503 88 43_Re: The immorality of the Ten Commandments.11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:08:56 -0600
37592 22 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:45:48 EDT671_US-ASCII I was and thanks- and shana tova to you guys too! When will you be at Roaman's????--s<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
37615 73 14_as years go by12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:21:21 -0400366_iso-8859-1 Got this from my aunt and thought it might be a nice greeting for the new year. I'll take this opportunity to say that I really wish you all well and I hope that those who have been offended by my words in the course of our discussion will forgive me. Let us begin a new year with hope for a more peaceful world and commit ourselves to making it so. [...]
37689 33 10_Ron Lauder16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:31:30 -0400590_us-ascii While being the subject of the Arab boycott is both troubling and something of an honor (what Lee Hays of the Weavers felt about being the subject both of McCarthy witch hunt & later on the Nixon enemies list!) there is something more to be said of Ron Lauder. Lauder is a prominent Republican, Reagan's ambassador to Vienna. He is the immediate past chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations. A die-hard Likud supporter, he has never wavered in taking opportunities to oppose Labor when it was in office in Israel. He has been a consistant opponent of [...]
37723 33 12_Lauder redux16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:18:07 -0400690_us-ascii I neglected to mention that, while he was Chair of the Presidents' Conference, Ron Lauder instigated an attempt to oust LZA from its Presidents' Conference membership. Happily, that putsch failed. Lauder is no longer Conference chair but his efforts remain; now the PC is attempting to change its membership rules so that the right-wingers who run the place can arbitrarily keep--or kick out--those organizations they find inconvenient to be part of their club. Incidentally, it was under Lauder's chairmanship that Meretz USA and the Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association were both denied membership in the Presidents' Conference. Curiously, the Jewish college fraternity [...]
37757 39 14_Re: Ron Lauder0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:48:48 EDT40_US-ASCII How narrow minded.<br><br>Ellen
37797 36 14_Re: Ron Lauder12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:01:20 -0400665_iso-8859-1 How enlightening.<br><br>Are you referring to Lauder or Elihu or the Conference of Presidents of Jewish Organizations or perhaps the idea boycotts in general?<br><br>Noam<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Emabear@aol.com [mailto:Emabear@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:49 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Ron Lauder<br><br><br><br>How narrow minded.<br><br>Ellen<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
37834 41 14_Re: Ron Lauder0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:15:08 EDT119_US-ASCII I was referring to Elihu. But come to think of it, Conference could fall into that category also.<br><br>Ellen
37876 58 14_Re: Ron Lauder13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:23:10 -0400146_iso-8859-1 Estee Lauder makes make up right? Well I boycott all such products and the people who buy those products. I think anyone who doesn't is
37935 32 14_Re: Ron Lauder0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:16:11 EDT580_US-ASCII But Richard, maybe mascara or the false eyelashes would help your appearance! :)--only joking-- The truth is, Ron Lauder doesn't need our help -- he is quite wealthy and his business is fine- but it is a little worrysome that the Arab world can still hold up the rest of the world...I remember when Coke (a Cola) would not sell to Israel because the Arabs threatened boycotts ( we used to get some illegal coke from Jordan or somewhere in the little towns near Jerusalem)..Hey, I guess if you don't want Jewish products into your country, and were consistent, you'd [...]
37968 37 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER14_Kleins Designs26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:26:17 -0700410_iso-8859-1 Roman's is off the menu for right now, due to diet. We can still meet, though. It'll have to be week after next.<br><br>Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: <LiberHawke@aol.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER<br><br><br><br>> I was and thanks- and shana tova to you guys too! When will you be at > Roaman's????--s > > > [...]
38006 26 14_Re: Ron Lauder12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com43_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:32:41 -0400 (GMT-04:00)549_us-ascii Ron Lauder has spent his entire career making an ass of himself. While "boycott" is a strong term to use, I try to avoid doing business with people like him.<br><br>My favorite Estee Lauder story has to do with her origins. She used to tell interviewers that she was born in Austria, but one reporter discovered that she was born Esther Lauder in Astoria, Queens. I also try to avoid doing business with people (like Ralph Lifshitz, better known as Ralph Lauren) who feel that their Jewish heritage is something that should be hidden. [...]
38033 42 14_Re: Ron Lauder0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:39:25 EDT167_US-ASCII Why all make up? Because they use animal products? Or just because you were in Habonim? I don't think I put on lipstick until I was a "grown up"!<br><br>Ellen
38076 59 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 18:35:09 EDT561_US-ASCII Reading all the diatribe that followed this posting, and having no dog in this fight, I marvel that anyone bothers to make a Jew his enemy, we do such a marvelous job of it ourselves. It seems no matter of perspective or conviction is too small to take grand issue with and pledge to do battle to the death - I presume our collective dimise as a consequence of internecene battles. We'd have undoubtedly disposed of ourselves long ago if it wasn't for some outside enemy always managing to be a sufficient threat that we are forced into an uneasy [...]
38136 51 24_Re: Fw: Fw: ESTEE LAUDER0_13_JLCAA@aol.com29_Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:27:20 EDT182_US-ASCII In a message dated 9/30/03 6:42:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DLerner569@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> Warmly (as I bask in God's smile) ><br><br>Is that smile or a smirk?