1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet June 2003 2 223 31_Butterflies, wheels and culture13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Mon, 2 Jun 2003 21:44:36 +0200512_windows-1255 Well, it's been awfully quiet here for a while. I guess that's what happens when Amnon goes on vacation. Anyhow, I though I'd share this article I found on a cool web site about culture and cultural values called Butterflies and Wheels: http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/ The site runs articles and other features which attempt to debunk all kinds of popular and trendy ideas, but from a somewhat progressive point of view. Anyhow, if the article is to your taste, check out the site itself. [...] 226 59 24_trip to u.s.a. Baltimore7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:16:21 +0200368_windows-1255 I would love to see chevra and chanichim that I have not seen in over 40 years from the baltimore/ washington area.

I shall be in Baltimore for my work on June 15 and possibly 16. Please contact me at my email address with your contact numbers. I shall do my darndest to get to the kumsitz. Look forward to meeting you all. b'virkat chaverim, pearl 286 34 21_Israeli Film Festival11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:11:34 -0700585_iso-8859-1 Southern California 'netters

In case you have not gotten the word, The Israeli Film Festival is in full swing at several Laemmele venues. It is rich in quantity and quality and a shame to miss.

A smaller Jewish film festival is also under way.

Enjoy!

Steve







------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 321 40 22_New site/ Nextbook.org11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org30_Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:02:12 -0500498_us-ascii Subject: NEW WEBSITE: Nextbook.org

We are delighted to announce the launch of Nextbook.org, an online gateway to Jewish literature, culture & ideas.

The homepage of Nextbook.org features a lively, eclectic, and timely digest of Jewish cultural news and reviews. With a quick daily visit to Nextbook.org-or a free subscription to our daily email-you can keep up with the wide world of Jewish books and culture, and explore topics of particular interest in greater depth. [...] 362 730 60_Chicago Tribune caricature and commentary fron the Sun Times11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org30_Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:56:37 -0500381_us-ascii Caricature assassination

Newspapers tend to ignore each other's faults with a there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I shudder and silence. Or else they tweak their rivals in a playfully malicious way. Neither reaction is appropriate when confronted with the vile, blatantly anti-Semitic cartoon by Dick Locher the Chicago Tribune ran on its editorial page May 30. [...] 1093 39 25_Kumsitz in one more week!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Thu, 5 Jun 2003 03:59:04 EDT393_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh,

Once again, people are driving in and flying in for the Kumsitz on Sat. night June 14th. Please read the links below and rsvp if you haven't already.

See you then, Aliya

Everyone,

Attached is the information about the East Coast Habonim-Dror Foundation Kumzitz, to be held in NYC on 14 June. To view the information, go to the webpages: [...] 1133 171 50_NYC Kumsitz location different from previous years0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:44:13 EDT352_ISO-8859-1 Aliyah, Shalom

Forgive me for belaboring this point, but after sauntering in to our traditional Kumzitz location for the past - what's it been? - 5 years, a new Kumzitz location needs to be trumpeted loud and clear. "Automatic pilot" will no longer suffice to reach the kumzitz.

THE KUMZITZ THIS YEAR IS IN A NEW LOCATION [...] 1305 89 60_Virus Alert!! Warning... Do not open any attachments........9_Mark Seal21_mogzeal@earthlink.net30_Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:20:45 -0400477_iso-8859-1 Please read this email.

On June 5th I was infected by the Bugbear (http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=100358) and Exploit-ByteVerify (http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=100261) viruses. If you received email from me on the 5th many with the subject RE: In Touch or something similar with a message containing a meaningless piece of information, delete immediately.

DO NOT TRY TO OPEN ANY ATTACHMENTS. THIS WILL SPREAD THE VIRUS. [...] 1395 152 16_NY Kumsitz Flier0_22_bergman@mindspring.com36_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 06:20:37 -0700 (PDT)166_us-ascii Everyone,

Aliya provided a bad link for the Kumsitz next weekend. The correct one is:

http://www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/kumsitz.html

1548 36 15_Hi, old friends14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com36_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:10:19 -0700 (PDT)547_us-ascii Hi, everyone. This summer I am moving from Massachusetts (after living here for 20 years) to New Mexico. I was wondering if any Habonums live out there in the southwest... It would be great to see old friends or meet new people who share that Habonim experience. I went to Galil in '72, '73, and '74, I think we were MB '75 or was it '76? Can't remember... I lived in Israel for three years beginning in 1977. Hope everyone is well, take care! Helen Stein (formerly known as Jamie Beaumont - derivation of "What a funny place to put [...] 1585 51 19_RE: Hi, old friends12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:33:06 -0400574_iso-8859-1



> -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Beaumont [mailto:jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:10 PM > To: habonet@shamash.org > Subject: Hi, old friends > > > Hi, everyone. This summer I am moving from > Massachusetts (after living here for 20 years) to New > Mexico. I was wondering if any Habonums live out > there in the southwest... It would be great to see > old friends or meet new people who share that Habonim > experience. I went to Galil in '72, '73, and '74, I > think we were MB '75 or was it '76? Can't [...] 1637 59 19_Re: Hi, old friends0_14_KBob24@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:45:03 EDT413_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/7/03 7:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NStopak@orionsci.com writes:

> if my memory serves you stowed away on our bus back to > MB from Mifgash Bonim in 1975 only to be foiled when our bus broke down at > Delaware Water Gap. >

Noam - you have an unbelievable memory - bus breakdowns on the way back from mifgash in 1975? Was I there? Maybe I stayed back at Hunter? [...] 1697 89 19_RE: Hi, old friends12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 19:49:09 -0400476_iso-8859-1 Who are you?

-----Original Message----- From: KBob24@aol.com [mailto:KBob24@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:45 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Hi, old friends



In a message dated 6/7/03 7:31:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NStopak@orionsci.com writes:





if my memory serves you stowed away on our bus back to MB from Mifgash Bonim in 1975 only to be foiled when our bus broke down at Delaware Water Gap. [...] 1787 38 19_Re: Hi, old friends0_14_KBob24@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:04:32 EDT44_US-ASCII Noam:

Ken Bob? Your Rosh MB? 1826 82 19_RE: Hi, old friends12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com30_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:18:21 -0400468_iso-8859-1 Oh come on Ken, surely you didn't really take me seriously? It was a joke in response to your tribute to my memory :-)

Actually I have no idea whether you are on the bus, but somehow as Rosh I'd be surprised if you weren't sharing that joyous experience with us, though I suppose it is possible you traveled by alternate transit. Was quite memorable because the site was magnificent - I can't imagine a nicer place to get stuck for a few hours. [...] 1909 533 39_Ha'aretz article from one of our chevre0_14_KBob24@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:12:33 EDT337_US-ASCII I know a lot of you read Ha'aretz online so you may have already seen this, but for the rest of you, here is an interesting article from an old friend from Berkeley and Kibbutz Gezer.

Ken ------------------

Background / If Sharon makes peace, is he in mortal danger? By Bradley Burston, Haaretz Correspondent [...] 2443 61 19_Re: Hi, old friends0_14_KBob24@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jun 2003 22:15:32 EDT337_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/7/03 9:17:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NStopak@orionsci.com writes:

> > Oh come on Ken, surely you didn't really take me seriously? It was a joke > in response to your tribute to my memory :-) >

I confess that I missed your subtlety....I'll try to be quicker on the uptake next time :-). [...] 2505 318 51_Kumsitz Address Correction - Replace Previous Email0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jun 2003 01:59:30 EDT395_UTF-8 Dear Habonetters,

The address on the previous flyer was mistaken - it is 190 Amsterdam not 190 West End Avenue. Thanks to Ariel Tesher for catching this.

and thanks to Steve Weinberg, we now know that the kumsitz flier wasn't opening properly. I am therefore pasting this into an unformatted email so everyone can read it easily even though it may not look so gorgeous. [...] 2824 47 20_Re: NY Kumsitz Flier0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:09:26 EDT326_US-ASCII Thanks to Sam for correcting the mistaken link address, but PLEASE NOTE - THE CORRECT ADDRESS FOR THE EAST COAST KUMSITZ IS 190 AMSTERDAM AVENUE, AS STATED ON THE DIRECTIONS,NOT 190 WEST END AVENUE AS STATED ON THE FLYER -- TOTALLY ADORABLE IN ITS DESIGN, BUT FEATURES AN ERROR IN ADDRESS. See many of you soon! [...] 2872 46 19_Re: Hi, old friends15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Sun, 08 Jun 2003 15:54:38 -0400526_iso-8859-1 > Must have been 1976 - if my memory serves you stowed away on our bus back to > MB from Mifgash Bonim in 1975 only to be foiled when our bus broke down at > Delaware Water Gap.

Speaking of breakdowns during Machaneh ... In 1980 (I think), I was working at Mosh... Revolution had struck, and the tzevet piled into a van and some other vehicles and headed for our day away. Shortly into the trip, the van broke down. I don't remember what happened, but I do know that Jeff Cohen and I agreed to stay and [...] 2919 27 21_australia/new zealand0_12_SHX2@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:27:04 EDT480_US-ASCII I would like to get in touch with habonums in australia and new zealand...i know there is a list serve there, but can't find an e-address...can anyone help please?

thank you...

steven hancoff

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 2947 49 25_Re: australia/new zealand0_17_Mctracker@aol.com28_Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:11:57 EDT414_US-ASCII i tried that once.. it was very difficult...try contacting some people from the website. you can get it off the habonim dror page. i was looking for someone who had been on shnat when i was on workshop and i only know his first name.. i haven' t found him yet. if you happen to come across someone by the name of steve who was on shnat in '92, please let me know. it sucks to lose touch with people. [...] 2997 43 25_Re: australia/new zealand7_Shirley21_lirshnel@iinet.net.au30_Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:41:10 +0800490_iso-8859-1 The Australian Website is http://www.hdoz.com/ and to email the mazkir : mazkir@hdoz.com Shirley Atlas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: australia/new zealand



> I would like to get in touch with habonums in australia and new zealand...i > know there is a list serve there, but can't find an e-address...can anyone help > please? > > thank you... > > steven hancoff > > > [...] 3041 94 19_RE: Hi, old friends14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com36_Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:04:30 -0700 (PDT)583_us-ascii I vaguely remember doing that! I always had friends who were older than me and younger than me as well as my own age at Habonim. That was very common, probably, we were like a big family... I wax nostalgic. Jamie/Helen

--- "Stopak, Noam" wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jamie Beaumont > [mailto:jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:10 PM > > To: habonet@shamash.org > > Subject: Hi, old friends > > > > > > Hi, everyone. This summer I am moving from > > Massachusetts (after living here for 20 [...] 3136 63 19_RE: Hi, old friends14_Jamie Beaumont24_jamie_beaumont@yahoo.com36_Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:07:21 -0700 (PDT)574_us-ascii I guess I am more memorable than what's his name. :o) Jamie

--- "Stopak, Noam" wrote: > Who are you? > > -----Original Message----- > From: KBob24@aol.com [mailto:KBob24@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:45 PM > To: habonet@shamash.org > Subject: Re: Hi, old friends > > > In a message dated 6/7/03 7:31:57 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > NStopak@orionsci.com writes: > > > > if my memory serves you stowed away on our bus back > to > MB from Mifgash Bonim in 1975 only to be foiled when > our bus broke down at > Delaware [...] 3200 635 18_FW: Arab "victims"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:08:05 -0700354_iso-8859-1 I don't know if there is anything new in the article below, but it might be of interest to someone out there.

Note: Just came back from lunch with Rozzie (Boxer) and her fairly-new husband Gene and Sue (Friedman) Liberman. great time was had by all. Roz and Gene were passing through this area to continue on to HWY 1 and Montrey. [...] 3836 25 36_Another side of the new antisemitism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:31:18 -0700706_iso-8859-1 This site was sent to me by a friend.



Steve

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or

http://ctc-tribletter@tribune.com



Steve

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> CHICAGO — Ten days after a provocative editorial cartoon ran in the Chicago

> Tribune, the newspaper apologized for failing "to recognize that the

> cartoon conveyed symbols and stereotypes that slur the Jewish people and

> that are offensive."

> Http://www.jta.org/story.asp?id=030609-trib

>

3958 40 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism15_Lorraine Kotler20_lorraine@infinet.com31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:39:46 -0400498_iso-8859-1 What a super, concise summary of Arab-based Antisemitism! Thank you so much for sending it. I will send it on to many others.

Lorraine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Klein" To: "Habonet" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: Another side of the new antisemitism



> This site was sent to me by a friend. > > > > Steve > > > [...] 3999 22 20_Middle East Newsline11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:26:54 -0500703_us-ascii You can find hwere an article about Israel accepting a "tolerable" level of terror.

http://www.menewsline.com/

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I suppose I'm just off in left field again, but it seems to me that the recent spate of anti-islamic invective on this list is just as abominable as the behavior it it austensibly condemns.

I know it isn't a scientific survey, but I'd love to hear what everyone on this list thinks about this. [...] 4095 30 40_RE: Another side of the new antisemitism12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 20:40:25 -0400537_us-ascii Noam,

As you probably already know, I agree with you 100%.

The senseless bigotry and stereotyping that take place in the name of "combatting antisemitism" -- on this list and elsewhere in the Jewish community -- are a disgrace.

David



------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 4126 31 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism15_Brian S. Cooper21_brian@cooperspace.net31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 23:25:16 -0400313_iso-8859-1 > So the question is, is it ok for Jews to demonize > Islam, but not vice versa, or is it wrong to slander > an entire group of people rather than those who may > be acting in an offensive manner? > > Noam

Uh, I vote for not OK and wrong. No - Right. No, um, could you repeat the question? [...] 4158 70 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism15_Lorraine Kotler20_lorraine@infinet.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:13:16 -0400480_iso-8859-1

> > So the question is, is it ok for Jews to demonize > Islam, but not vice versa, or is it wrong to slander > an entire group of people rather than those who may > be acting in an offensive manner? > > Noam That question is a little like the classic "Did you stop beating your wife yet?" The answer is, of course, pre-programmed. That great website did not demonize all of Islam, only that part that has been defaming and attacking the Jews and the West. [...] 4229 39 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:24:10 EDT95_US-ASCII Thank you Lorraine for saying what I wanted to say, only better. Ellen Mayers Ginsburg 4269 946 37_FW: Queen Noor's Anti-Semitism.......11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:43:35 -0700566_iso-8859-1 Habonetters

Here is the full article. The attachment does not have to be opened. It's certainly well worth reading. I had supposed the Queen Noor was one of the more enlightened ones. I can''t imagine she could write this way when her husband was alive. It is depressing that someone so educated could be so absorbed into this sick, convoluted, antiquated way of thinking. Still, hope springs eternal. It is hard to forget that a visionary did arise in our midst for the briefest of moments. His name was Anwar Sadat. Where is his successor?! [...] 5216 77 40_RE: Another side of the new antisemitism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:50:06 -0400542_iso-8859-1



> -----Original Message----- > From: Lorraine Kotler [mailto:lorraine@infinet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:13 AM > To: habonet@shamash.org > Subject: Re: Another side of the new antisemitism > > > > > > > So the question is, is it ok for Jews to demonize > > Islam, but not vice versa, or is it wrong to slander > > an entire group of people rather than those who may > > be acting in an offensive manner? > > > > Noam > That question is a little like the classic "Did you stop > beating your wife [...] 5294 104 41_RE: Another side of the new anti-kleinism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:12:34 -0700542_iso-8859-1

Dear whoever you are

We had a deal. At least I thought we did. The deal was, just to remind the players, to stay away from each other. This was for the good of Habonet and also for reasons of maintaining one's own personal sanity and serenity. We were not to mention each other's names, nor were we going to slur each other's beliefs or ideas. We are obviously on disparate courses. You do not need to believe as I do, or understand things in the way that I do, or choose to interpret things the way that I do. [...] 5399 73 41_RE: Another side of the new anti-kleinism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:28:50 -0400406_iso-8859-1 Steve,

I made no such deal. Rant all you want, but if you post to a public list, I am free to respond. Happily you don't make the rules here.

I have no intention of yielding the sole use of this forum to those who share your perspective.

I'm not attacking you, I'm objecting to the views you choose to bombard us with. You are free to espouse a viewpoint, and so am I. [...] 5473 191 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:49:35 +0200687_iso-8859-1 Hey Noam.

Just to make sure that we're all talking about the same thing, I went back and watched the Anti-Semitism and Islam presentation again( http://conceptwizard.com/pipeline_of_hatred.html ). That's the subject of this discussion, is it not? I can see why some one could have problems with this version of history and current events. The "money paragraph", as Andrew Sullivan would say, is where the authors try to make a conspirational connection between radical Islam and radical anti-globalism which then targets "Jewish Global Capitalism". Of that I'm not convinced. This smacks of David Horowitz's hyperventilating. What ever your views of globalization [...] 5665 45 41_Re: Another side of the new anti-kleinism13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:28:15 -0400396_us-ascii Dear Steve,

There is another rule on Habonet---don't send something you don't want discussed.

Personally, I found the website interesting but over the top. For example, it characterizes the war in Iraq as related to radical Islam and anti-Semitism. And it makes much of anti-Semitic covers of books and magazines but doesn't tell us the prevalence of items like this. [...] 5711 195 12_reply to Jon12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:10:25 -0400494_iso-8859-1 Hi Jon,

Actually the slide show is only one element of the barrage of messages to which I referred.

The earlier piece entitled 'Arab "victims"' is what actually got me started thinking about this subject. The implication was that just because there were a few cases where reports of post-911 backlash victimization were fraudulent, perhaps all were, or there was some kind of media conspiracy to suppress the truth. To me this was reminiscent of holocaust denial. [...] 5907 116 16_Re: reply to Jon13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 20:51:17 +0200524_iso-8859-1 Hi Noam.

In light of what I was just watching on TV, I guess it's hard to maintain a clear-headed perspective. Did the news in the US show Rantissi's hospital bed interview? Basically he said that if the Jews want security, they should go back to where they came from. The Hamas claimed today's attack was revenge for the assasination attempt on Rantissi, but of course this was something prepared long before today. Ah, the Middle East. Nothing like a "peace process" to really jack up the violence. [...] 6024 43 16_RE: reply to Jon12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:13:54 -0400460_iso-8859-1 Hi Jon,

Didn't see much of the TV news coverage (I do occasionally work during the day) but I understand your point about the difficulty of maintaining perspective at a time like this - I just finished writing to a friend about how ridiculous it is to hear Bush's remarks about the attempt to assasinate Rantissi after he espoused the view you mention in light of the invasions Bush launched in his attempts to get bin Laden and Saddam. [...] 6068 30 11_Heblew spam11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:38:32 -0600394_us-ascii Wow! I just got my first spam in Hebrew, but it's been so long since I had to read from right to left, I need help with this site: http://www.taly.co.il/

It seems to be Purim-related, what with the masks and all. Nice to see that Israelis have kept abreast of the latest trends in entertainment. Caution: may offend those who don't like to see people smoking and gambling. [...] 6099 77 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:16:32 +0200463_iso-8859-1 I would also like to thank Lorraine for expressing herself in an articulate and intelligent manner. I would also like Noam to explain why liberal Jews tend to speak up for all and any groups, except the Jews. Is it in order to be "'whiter than white"?

Shalom Rav, Mollie Marx ----- Original Message ----- From: Emabear@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Another side of the new antisemitism [...] 6177 50 43_RE: Another side of the new liberal Judaism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:42:37 -0400494_iso-8859-1 Hi Mollie,

I can't speak for liberal Jews as a group. I'm not even sure if I qualify for group membership. I've already pointed out that I have and continue to speak up for Jews.

Can you explain why it is that "non-liberal" Jews (what shall we call you folks who refer to liberal Jews as if they were "those other Jews"?) feel the need to insist that any Jew who speaks out against the slander and oppression of others is ignoring the plight of their fellow Jews? [...] 6228 131 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:43:59 -0400318_iso-8859-1 Well I can not speak for Noam, but I can say that I tend to speak up for all and any groups, except the Jews, because the Jews are always wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: molieric To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Another side of the new antisemitism [...] 6360 284 26_SPME Online Digest 6.11.0311_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:14:25 -0500589_us-ascii



Scholars For Peace in The Middle East Online Digest 6.11.03

A Call for UN & World Leaders to Make Suicide Bombings & Acts of Terror Against Civilians "War Crimes" Petition SPME Briefs Anti-Semitism Task Force of International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists...16 die in Jerusalem Blast; 7 in Gaza Hit.Palestinians fire anti-tank rockets at troops in Gaza Strip.Police disperse dozens of anti-Arab protesters near J'lem bomb site.The Rantisi Strike. OSCE to hold international anti-Semitism conference in Vienna.Myths and Facts.Shades on Oslo [...] 6645 378 24_A piece by Daniel Gordis11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:21:42 -0500587_ISO-8859-1

Over the past few years, particularly on days like today when life here is anything but idyllic, people have asked us more than once why we stay. It's the kind of question that I'm never entirely certain how to answer. It's about Zionism, of course, and the belief that the Jews need a place to call our own. And it's because there are specific qualities of our lives and our communities here that we could never duplicate anywhere else. And it's because you don't run and hand them a victory. And it's because there's something indescribable about living in the [...] 7024 33 42_received an invite to Yahoo group - MewBkd12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:43:54 -0400347_iso-8859-1

Hi,

Apparently out of the blue I received an invitation to join a Yahoo Group related to middle east news, apparently from someone named Ami Isseroff. I don't find him on the list of current habonet subscribers, so I'm not sure how he got my address.

Does anyone know anything about the Yahoo Group "MewBkd"? [...] 7058 30 46_Re: received an invite to Yahoo group - MewBkd12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:04:55 -0400 7089 100 46_Re: received an invite to Yahoo group - MewBkd0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 13:52:10 EDT343_UTF-8 Noam, a quick search revealed the following. Don't know any direct connection with Habonet, but perhaps someone on the list decided you'd appreciate his views. I wonder if anyone else got that as well.

I get NYTimes headlines via email, and today's quote really affected me (I despise use of the fabricated verb "impacted"). [...] 7190 27 21_Daniel Gordis article11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:10:17 -0700487_iso-8859-1 How do I contact Daniel Gordis in order to send his article onward for publication?

It is a rare "Article of Faith" and one of a determination that says so much more than any other response.

Steve

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 7218 30 55_Tough Times- Some Laughter- Avi's Comedy Tour to Israel0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:32:40 EDT356_US-ASCII To all chevre in Israel- Avi, my son, will be leaving for Israel next week on a tour with 3 other stand-up comics from America- The tour is called" Stand Up and Laugh, and will be performing at the following venues: Tel Aviv- Merkaz Einav- June 21 Haifa- Rappaport Hall- June 23 Ra'anana- Mofet Hall- June 24 Jerusalem- Rebecca Crown- July 1 [...] 7249 35 25_Re: Daniel Gordis article13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:39:43 -0400366_us-ascii Daniel Gordis is fairly widely published so I am sure he has his own contacts.

Warmly, Judy Gelman

Steve Klein wrote:

> How do I contact Daniel Gordis in order to send his article onward for > publication? > > It is a rare "Article of Faith" and one of a determination that says so much > more than any other response. > > Steve > [...] 7285 25 47_For all those who want to contact Daniel Gordis11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:53:58 -0500383_us-ascii You can subscribe to the list at www.danielgordis.org (see the box on the top left of the screen) or at www.topica.com/lists/gordis. You can also subscribe by sending a BLANK email to: gordis-subscribe@topica.com. Topica will automatically send you a confirmation message to which you must reply. Unsubscription information is included automatically in each newsletter [...] 7311 44 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:47:36 EDT226_US-ASCII Am I missing something in this message? Are you serious about the Jews always being wrong? Like I used to tell my kids, always is a long time. It goes with the words like would, should, could, never, etc.

Ellen 7356 92 40_RE: Another side of the new antisemitism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:23:52 -0700546_us-ascii Ellen

I'm not sure, but I think it was meant to be humor.

Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Emabear@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:48 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Another side of the new antisemitism



Am I missing something in this message? Are you serious about the Jews always being wrong? Like I used to tell my kids, always is a long time. It goes with the words like would, should, could, never, etc. [...] 7449 47 59_RE: Tough Times- Some Laughter- Avi's Comedy Tour to Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:37:28 -0700669_us-ascii sue

Yesher Koach!

Steve

-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of LiberHawke@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:33 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Tough Times- Some Laughter- Avi's Comedy Tour to Israel



To all chevre in Israel- Avi, my son, will be leaving for Israel next week on a tour with 3 other stand-up comics from America- The tour is called" Stand Up and Laugh, and will be performing at the following venues: Tel Aviv- Merkaz Einav- June 21 Haifa- Rappaport Hall- June 23 Ra'anana- Mofet Hall- June 24 Jerusalem- Rebecca Crown- July 1 [...] 7497 41 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:51:26 EDT58_US-ASCII Steve, Thanks for the clarification.

Ellen 7539 130 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 04:32:18 -0400548_iso-8859-1 As if to prove my point, Steve, you are wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM Subject: RE: Another side of the new antisemitism



Ellen

I'm not sure, but I think it was meant to be humor.

Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Emabear@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:48 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Another side of the new antisemitism [...] 7670 150 29_Fwd: Information for a Peulah0_18_RickGlaser@aol.com29_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:45:08 EDT132_US-ASCII Mosh madrichim want to know about alumni self-actualization. please respond to mirglaser@aol.com

Rick Glaser Moshava 7821 50 42_Another slide show on Israel and the Arabs6_leodie18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:54:45 +020089_us-ascii Here is a website of another slide show: http://www.infoclick.org/nutshell3.html 7872 45 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:56:40 EDT260_US-ASCII Dear RD Smith (I don't know you or your name), How about answering me directly instead of going through Steve? Whatever you have with him has nothing to do with me. I truely did not understand the meaning of what you wrote and was asking.

Ellen 7918 177 40_RE: Another side of the new antisemitism11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:25:25 -0700455_iso-8859-1 Dear Richard Smith

Now I am totally confused. If the statement is that you really believe "the Jews are always wrong" is true, does that not constitute one of the grossest, lowest examples of unadulterated anti-semitism? And if you are such a virulent anti-semite, why all the polemics? Why all the arguing? Just write "I'd like to see you all dead", and spare us all the stuff in the middle about why it is OK to want us all dead. [...] 8096 208 40_Re: Another side of the new antisemitism13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:17:11 -0400620_iso-8859-1 Oops, guess I was wrong, but that of course makes me right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Klein To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: RE: Another side of the new antisemitism



Dear Richard Smith

Now I am totally confused. If the statement is that you really believe "the Jews are always wrong" is true, does that not constitute one of the grossest, lowest examples of unadulterated anti-semitism? And if you are such a virulent anti-semite, why all the polemics? Why all the arguing? Just write "I'd like to see you all dead", and spare us [...] 8305 135 6_Behold12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 15 Jun 2003 22:54:53 +0200567_us-ascii Haverot/im I am beholden to Hiam for a memorable Shavuot. On our way home from Chicago to Jerusalem, we had a great Kabbalat Shabbat at his house; he doesn't consider a Kabbalat Shabbat proper unless there's a discussion about parashat ha'shavuah. With no time to really prepare, I had to wing it. There on his wall it was staring me in the face. ("The righteous are granted that their labor be done for them by others.") It was a new painting "In Peace You Shall Be Led" by Myra Mandel. Interspersed in the picture of an imposing tree were tablet-like [...] 8441 134 6_Behold12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:07:00 +0200567_us-ascii Haverot/im I am beholden to Hiam for a memorable Shavuot. On our way home from Chicago to Jerusalem, we had a great Kabbalat Shabbat at his house; he doesn't consider a Kabbalat Shabbat proper unless there's a discussion about parashat ha'shavuah. With no time to really prepare, I had to wing it. There on his wall it was staring me in the face. ("The righteous are granted that their labor be done for them by others.") It was a new painting "In Peace You Shall Be Led" by Myra Mandel. Interspersed in the picture of an imposing tree were tablet-like [...] 8576 67 28_Educators' mission to Israel11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 06:20:31 -0500482_us-ascii SPME Conference Study Mission Set for 12.28.03-1.4.03 Tentative Sessions Announced (Subject to Change)- Apply for Registration Packet Now to ScholarsforPeace@aol.com









Now is the time to request your registration packet for the First Annual SPME Conference Study Mission to Israel set for 12.28.03-1.4.03 to register for Early Bird Fees. The tentative events and topics included but are not limited to (and subject to change) are: [...] 8644 49 41_Michael Oren/ WSJ on-line/The 36 Year War11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:07:37 -0500474_us-ascii The 36-Year War There will be no peace until the Arabs accept Israel.

BY MICHAEL B. OREN Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

Few people in June 1967 would have imagined that 36 years later, controversy would still engulf the territories won by Israel in the Six Day War. Numerous peace plans have sought to resolve the status of the West Bank and Gaza, but without success. Now, on the anniversary of that war, George W. Bush is trying again. [...] 8694 22 22_New York Times protest11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:11:50 -0500650_us-ascii Did you know this existed?

http://www.nytimesprotest.com/

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Amnon- so nice to hear mention of my recording in your e-mail (and to see the title in the subject heading-I love the Hebrew word Haray; Behold! with an exclamation point comes close) I am always inspired by your insights that you share with us on Habonet. Indeed the last word of the verse you mention in Eretz Shivat Haminim (words by Dudu Barak and music by [...] 9138 219 10_Re: Behold16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:37:31 -0700600_us-ascii You can download some samples from our latest recording Heart Beat from CD Baby- Linda

aviva grosbard wrote:

> Linda-is there somewhere I can download your music? It sounds > fascinating. Aviva Grosbard-Omer Israel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Hirschhorn > To: habonet@shamash.org > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:02 PM > Subject: Re: Behold > Amnon- so nice to hear mention of my recording in your > e-mail (and to see the title in the subject heading-I love > the Hebrew word Haray; Behold! with an exclamation point > comes close) I am always inspired [...] 9358 304 10_Re: Behold14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:09:00 +0200382_iso-8859-1 Thanks Linda but- I need a few more details...is that a site? the name of the CD? Not your biggest techie person here...do have Kaza and G-nutella-for downloading music-is CD Baby another music engine? Please enlighten:) Thanks-Aviva ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Hirschhorn To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Behold [...] 9663 182 22_Let the word go forth!0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:32:02 EDT382_ISO-8859-1 Hear ye! Hear ye!

October 25th, 2003.

What shall be done for the man that the people desireth to honor? (to paraphrase Achashverosh)

How can the Galil community show its appreciation to the chaver who has served as our Registrar for 17 selfless years, bringing Galil back from the brink of disaster (110 campers) to great health (230+ campers)? [...] 9846 277 10_Re: Behold16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:47:56 -0700609_us-ascii CD Baby is an online music store. You could also go to our website www.vocolot.com and it will direct you to CD baby (eventually). good luck from another non- techie person- Linda

aviva grosbard wrote:

> Thanks Linda but- I need a few more details...is that a site? the > name of the CD? Not your biggest techie person here...do have Kaza and > G-nutella-for downloading music-is CD Baby another music engine? > Please enlighten:) Thanks-Aviva > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda Hirschhorn > To: habonet@shamash.org > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:37 PM > Subject: Re: [...] 10124 89 36_FW: Harvard Petition/Islamic Studies11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:57:30 -0700497_iso-8859-1 I don't know if this has gotten to our net yet, but here 'tis, a petition against hate. (I don't even know what sense it makes to consider the money "found money" that is difficult to give back (As the NPR broadcast puts it), as the money was ONLY donated to set up the hate-class in the first place. Rudy Giulliani(sp?) attained his wonderful moment in the moral sun when he refused the tainted 10 million dollars fro whatever prince that was. Does Harvard have any sense at all? [...] 10214 147 40_The differences that unite us. Isaiah II12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:06:19 +0200605_us-ascii Haverim/ot Yesterday I wrote about the notion that there was more than one prophet Isaiah. This view holds that the two actually lived in different lands and 200 years apart. The virtually unanimous opinion in modern scholarship is that Isaiah is to be considered the work of two distinct authors: First Isaiah (chs. 139) whose prophetic career in Jerusalem covers the years c. 740700 B. C.E., and that of an unknown prophet Deutero-Isaiah, chs. 4066; whose prophecies reflect the experience and events of the Babylonian Exile c. 540 B.C.E. One can sum up the figure and career of the First [...] 10362 132 19_Seeing is believing11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:14:58 -0500409_ISO-8859-1

SEEING IS BELIEVING By Rick Dorfman June 13, 2003











Rick Dorfman is a senior at The University of Michigan, and is an executive for the North American Jewish Student Alliance. He is also a student member of Scholars for Peace in the Middle East and asked to have this published in our SPME Online Digest.He can be reached at info@najsa.org [...] 10495 31 14_Trip to Israel11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:41:17 -0700367_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh: I'm going to be in Jerusalem October 22-28 for a reunion of Machon graduates. It's been 40 years since I was on machon in 1962. I was very young back then--only 17!

I'd like to visit Urim and Gesher. Can someone write back to me to help me come there and perhaps stay a night there. I hope to see some chevrah in Jerusalem as well. [...] 10527 85 6_Behold12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:40:22 +0200380_us-ascii Linda, Thanks for the information about Dudu Barak and Nahum Heyman and for letting me know who you are and how you got that way. You mention Habonim and workshop - natch. What I didn't know was that I missed you when you were here in '65. A near miss. I had been a teacher and later a madrich of 6 workshops from '59 to '64. Couldn't you have come a little sooner? [...] 10613 72 16_Biblical Sources14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:29:35 -0700510_iso-8859-8-i 17 June 2003

Shalom Amnon,

In your posting, THE DIFFERENCES THAT UNITE US ISAIAH II, you wrote,

"" The virtually unanimous opinion in modern scholarship is that Isaiah is to be considered the work of two distinct authors: First Isaiah (chs. 1-39) whose prophetic career in Jerusalem covers the years c. 740-700 B. C.E., and that of an unknown prophet Deutero-Isaiah, chs. 40-66; whose prophecies reflect the experience and events of the Babylonian Exile c. 540 B.C.E. "" [...] 10686 98 10_Re: Behold16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:52:06 -0700516_us-ascii Well cooking can mean a lot of things to a musician, but if you are referring to food I wouldn't win any prizes- on the other hand I've been known to read and follow a good recipe from time to time- Linda

Amnon Hadary wrote:

> Linda, > Thanks for the information about Dudu Barak and Nahum Heyman and for > letting me know who you are and how you got that way. You mention > Habonim and workshop - natch. What I didn't know was that I missed > you when you were here in '65. A near miss. [...] 10785 73 10_RE: Behold12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:52:37 -0400270_iso-8859-1 Do you?

Noam

-----Original Message----- From: Amnon Hadary [mailto:amriv@netvision.net.il] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:40 PM To: Habonet@shamash.org Subject: Behold



... I'm completely smitten; do you cook?

Amnon

10859 35 17_for: Amnon Hadary11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:09:05 -0700555_iso-8859-1 Dear Amnon

Greetings once more from the San Fernando Valley in Southern Calif.

We attended a graduation ceremony for a godson last night at a local Jewish School. After the ceremony, we met a lady who not only said she knows (or knew) you, but got very got quite excited over the idea of actually making contact to say hello and even catch up a little. Do you remember a Sarah Maltun? She told us she was a founding member of Gesher Haziv, and stayed a year before going off to get married. Her memories of you and the bunch [...] 10895 45 18_Re: Trip to Israel14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:49:31 +0200523_iso-8859-1 Hi Jack- as I mentioned before you are more than welcome to stay with us here in Omer which is not far from Urim-you could easily get there by bus and this invitation is extended to anyone else who would like to take advantage of it:) I have plenty of room and I cook:) Aviva Grosbard. home phone-972-8-6469686 and e-mail-deang@netvision.net.il ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Porter" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Trip to Israel [...] 10941 841 16_FW: A commentary11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:45:51 -0700412_iso-8859-1 habonet

This joke is only to illuminate a point. It is not meant to cast aspersions on people of color, cannibals or the three personages mentioned as foils in the joke, not the groups of people they may represent.

Steve -----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:34 PM To: Steve Klein Subject: Fw: You'll Like this, [...] 11783 85 23_Re: HABONET digest 261112_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:19:20 +0200560_us-ascii Steve, Is there a finder's fee? It's a bit of a stretch - more like 55 years - but yes I do remember Sarah. Pease say hello and give her my email.

b'yedidut Amnon



At 00:33 19/06/03 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Amnon > >Greetings once more from the San Fernando Valley in Southern Calif. > >We attended a graduation ceremony for a godson last night at a local Jewish >School. After the ceremony, we met a lady who not only said she knows (or >knew) you, but got very got quite excited over the idea of actually making >contact to [...] 11869 128 23_Re: HABONET digest 261112_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:27:06 +0200492_us-ascii Linda, Apropos cooking. Vovolot's rendition of Eretz Shivat Haminim (words by Dudu Barak and music by Nahum Hyman) is a "miechel" you took a straightforward text and turned into a tour de force piece of music. So I've got another one for you, Leah Goldberg's B'Eretz Ahavati Ha-Shaked Poreyach. Moni Amarillio did the music and arrangement. It has been performed by Ruhama. I think that if anyone, you can bring it into the 21st century Here's a quick translation of the words. [...] 11998 63 18_Re: Trip to Israel17_Annette Bar-Cohen22_barcohen@starpower.net31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:48:33 -0400524_iso-8859-1 Dear Aviva, How nice to hear about someone from Omer - our old hometown. We lived there from 1975 to 1984 on Rehov Shaked in the dome next to Mordecai (Gingy) Cogan behind the Bergmans - all Habonim chevre. My son, Raanan, will be in Omer next week - maybe he'll run into you at the mercaz. Kol tuv, Anat Bar-Cohen (Annette Pavony Markowitz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "aviva grosbard" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Trip to Israel [...] 12062 129 7_on tour0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:32:59 EDT470_UTF-8 Dear Habonetters,

...TIME TO HIT THE ROAD AGAIN...

BUDDY WACHTER, THE GREAT BANJOIST, AND I ARE ON OUR WAY TO PLAY IN AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND...IF YOU --OR YOUR FRIENDS-- HAPPEN TO BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COME ON IN!

Steven Hancoff www.stevehancoff.com





Buddy Wachter and Steven Hancoff in Australia

PERTH

Monday, June 23:

0900 Masterclass, Mount Lawley School, Woodsome Street, Mount Lawley. [...] 12192 88 18_Re: Trip to Israel14_aviva grosbard18_deang@bezeqint.net31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:40:35 +0200569_iso-8859-1 Hi Annette-Seems we were ships that passed in the night-we also came in 1984 after 15 years on Urim. Its still a nice place to live and raise kids although I have kind of finished doing that:). I have a kind of strange question-could you possibly be related (by marriage of course) to Anna Markowitz? We were at Machaneh Bonim in 1969 and lost touch-would love to hear how and where she is now. Would appreciate your answer.I live on Rotem just across from the school-if Raanan needs a drink or a phone or anything else.... Aviva ----- Original Message [...] 12281 1999 20_Fwd: Avi in Ha'aretz0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:11:54 EDT229_US-ASCII Lorie sent this to me--if anyone is interested in getting group rates, please email me--I know the dates have changed since I first posted something---But the comics will be in Haifa, Tel Aviv,Jerusalem,and Ra'anana..sue 14281 142 23_RE: HABONET digest 261111_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:33:26 -0700517_us-ascii Amnon

Please send your e-mail address to : http://mplager@socal.rr.com

I'll send it along to Sarah.

Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Amnon Hadary Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:19 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: HABONET digest 2611



Steve, Is there a finder's fee? It's a bit of a stretch - more like 55 years - but yes I do remember Sarah. Pease say hello and give her my email. [...] 14424 21 11_Re: on tour0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:46:51 EDT649_US-ASCII Steve!- Mazal tov- when will you be out here iin LA again?..sue

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Do you ever play locally? Those of us in the 'hood would like to hear you play too...

Noam

> -----Original Message----- > From: SHX2@aol.com [mailto:SHX2@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:33 AM > To: habonet@shamash.org > Subject: on tour > > > Dear Habonetters, > > ...TIME TO HIT THE ROAD AGAIN... > > BUDDY WACHTER, THE GREAT BANJOIST, AND I ARE ON OUR WAY TO > PLAY IN AUSTRALIA > AND NEW ZEALAND...IF YOU --OR YOUR FRIENDS-- HAPPEN TO BE IN > THE NEIGHBORHOOD, > COME ON IN! > > Steven Hancoff > www.stevehancoff.com > [...] 14494 25 11_Re: on tour0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:50:41 EDT682_US-ASCII NOAM--

I PLAYED A CONCERT HERE IN NOVEMBER...A FEW HABONETTERS SHOWED UP...

STEVEN

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lisa ps--rained out again

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http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=8100

Arabs Colluded To Expel Jews, Group Claims Report charges a dozen Arab countries conspired more than 50 years ago. Eric J. Greenberg - Staff Writer

Did Arab leaders secretly conspire to expel Jews from their native Arab homelands after 1948 in retaliation for the creation of the State of Israel?

Did this "collusion" of Arab nations create a large but little-known refugee population of nearly 900,000 displaced Jews - more than the approximately 650,000 displaced Palestinians at the time? [...] 14738 61 20_apropo Leah Goldberg12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 19 Jun 2003 22:44:51 +0200391_iso-8859-1

Amnon,

Funny you should mention Leah Goldberg. Last Sunday night the final concert of the Israel Festival was dedicated to her songs. HOWEVER, they were all performed by rock/pop singers who destroyed my eardrums and any sweetness the songs may have once had. Imagine "Be'Eretz Ahavati" with an underlying bass rumble to it! And "Yakinton" on acoustic guitar! [...] 14800 74 59_Stand-up and laugh review(Avi Liberman) /Haaretz Anglo File11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:46:38 -0500477_us-ascii Anglo audiences in Israel are in for a long overdue laugh

By Neil Bar-Or





This Monday night in Haifa, "Stand Up and Laugh: The Best of American Standup Comedy," kicks off its two-week tour in Israel. Staring Avi Liberman, Wayne Federman, Dan Naturman, and Gary Gulman, the shows promise to be full of American and Jewish humor, "and don't think that Jewish humor has to mean Jackie Mason, not that he's not brilliant," says Liberman. [...] 14875 71 58_FW: Update: The Anti-Incitement Petition. Have you signed?11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:13:22 -0700479_iso-8859-1

This has been a major issue for me over the last decade, something that I feel has bred hatred and inculcated it into generations of children sitting in Arab classrooms. I hope you can take the time to send it on to other friends of peace. -----Original Message----- From: info@standwithus.com [mailto:info@standwithus.com] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 3:50 PM To: kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com Subject: Update: The Anti-Incitement Petition. Have you signed? [...] 14947 51 28_The Anti-Incitement Petition13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:53:50 -0400546_us-ascii Dear Steve and others,

While I of course find the bias in Palestinian textbooks appalling, I am more than a little skeptical about this petition and how it seeks to accomplish its goals. I am sorry to sound so cynical, but when I see a petition from a group who aims to fight "bias" but where the American Jewish COngress is by far the most left wing of the organizations it lists in its resources, I have to wonder whether this is a petition I want to sign--no matter what I think of the issue on the surface. Personally, I [...] 14999 79 32_RE: The Anti-Incitement Petition11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sat, 21 Jun 2003 08:22:33 -0700690_us-ascii Judy

No argument- and a lot of agreement- with everthing you wrote.

Steve

-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Judith Gelman Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:54 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: The Anti-Incitement Petition



Dear Steve and others,

While I of course find the bias in Palestinian textbooks appalling, I am more than a little skeptical about this petition and how it seeks to accomplish its goals. I am sorry to sound so cynical, but when I see a petition from a group who aims to fight "bias" but where the American Jewish COngress is by far the most [...] 15079 267 21_Petitions and Justice12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:15:46 +0200573_us-ascii



Steve, I'm taken by the indefatigable energy you invest in "shmira." You never take a break from guard duty.The latest example is in your statement that anti incitement has " been a major issue for me over the last decade, something that I feel has bred hatred and inculcated it into generations of children sitting in Arab classrooms. I hope you can take the time to send it on to other friends of peace." It may sound cute, (I'll be serious in a moment,) but it's like preaching love by wanting to kill everyone who isn't for peace. For the [...] 15347 222 40_Fwd: [Zepps_News] #The new anti-Semitism0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:08:23 EDT17_US-ASCII

15570 399 25_RE: Petitions and Justice11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:50:17 -0700560_us-ascii Amnon

I am taken aback by your comments. Where and when have I ever advocated "killing everyone who isn't for peace"? I would never have expected you to make that kind of comparison. How in the world does advocating or petitioning the ceasing of formal teaching of hatred in a classroom equate with "killing for peace"? Are you saying that you know we teach hatred the same way? If you feel that way, I am sorry that you do. I certainly can't help that. I have never been in favor of teaching hatred, nor do I advocate teaching of hatred. [...] 15970 145 25_Re: Petitions and Justice13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:31:06 -0400 16116 107 25_Re: Petitions and Justice0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:00:56 EDT595_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/21/2003 9:48:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:

> I am taken aback by your comments. Where and when have I ever advocated > "killing everyone who isn't for peace"?

Steve!- While I don't think Amnon meant that YOU were of the opinion of "killing everyone who oo isn't for peace" ( he stated that circulating the petition was LIKE"..blah blah blah ( used as a simile)-- I am not so sure that this seemingly horrible statement isn't exactly what is being, and may have to be, done in order to have some kind of peaceful [...] 16224 57 21_Palestinian Textbooks14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:32:23 +0000542_- 22 June 2003

Shalom Judy,

In your posting of 20 June 2003, you wrote,

"" ... in the 36 years that Israel has been controlling the territories, it never took up the issue of educational reform in schools in the Palestinian sector. Israel was collecting the taxes and ... therefore that it was the Israeli government's money that eventually went to purchase these textbooks.... the issue of textbooks is a great illustration of how Israel was penny-wise and pound foolish in its administration of the territories."" [...] 16282 57 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:16:57 -0400116_iso-8859-1 As a teacher, I can tell you that what's in the textbook doesn't influence my students very much.

16340 91 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com29_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 18:23:58 EDT382_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/22/2003 6:13:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:

> As a teacher, I can tell you that what's in the textbook doesn't influence > my students very much. >

REALLY -- Betting that most if not all of your students (and I don't even know what grade you teach) Still think we fought the Civil War to "free the slaves". [...] 16432 92 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:54:04 -0400338_iso-8859-1







REALLY -- Betting that most if not all of your students (and I don't even know what grade you teach) Still think we fought the Civil War to "free the slaves".



My students have little or no idea what the Civil War was. But for my edification, what did "we" fight the Civil War for? 16525 99 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com29_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 21:53:28 EDT419_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/22/2003 9:50:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:

> >> REALLY -- Betting that most if not all of your students (and I don't >> even know what grade you teach) Still think we fought the Civil War to "free >> the slaves". >> > > > My students have little or no idea what the Civil War was. But for my > edification, what did "we" fight the Civil War for? > > [...] 16625 27 25_Re: Petitions and Justice13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:22:06 -0400743_us-ascii Dear Susie,

There are several existing programs that do what you envision. The problem in getting more exposure for them is money.

Warmly, Judy

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For the same thing that all wars are fought for ... power It was determined that joining the union was irreversible ... kinda like being Jewish ... there ain't no place to go to resign Quite off topic for this form, but a pet peeve of mine is this idea that the American Civil War was not fought over slavery, of course it was. You say power, well in this case it was the power of the federal government to limit the spread of slavery that caused the South to try and "resign." So the Civil War was about slavery, [...] 16752 53 25_Re: Petitions and Justice0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 01:37:19 EDT552_US-ASCII Hmmn- yeah- I knew that was a big part of it- but a funny thing has happened to me on the way to Medicare--The guy I work for--Phil Blazer--has ideas and finds ways to get them done, then worries about the money. Actually an ass-backwards way of doing things- but the amazing thing is he does them- "Let's do Chanuka at Universal Studios,"--"Let's get a ship from the Coast Guard and turn it into a museum; let's do a tennis program for the kids in South Central; let's do a film festival for Jewish Films; let's--etc. etc. and so forth. [...] 16806 92 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com29_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 06:59:41 EDT545_US-ASCII In a message dated 6/22/2003 11:32:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rdsmith1957@msn.com writes:

> Quite off topic for this form, but a pet peeve of mine is this idea that > the American Civil War was not fought over slavery, of course it was. You say > power, well in this case it was the power of the federal government to limit > the spread of slavery that caused the South to try and "resign." So the > Civil War was about slavery, it's result was the end of American slavery and many > people on both sides thought that was [...] 16899 147 53_RE: civil war and other historical points of interest12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:06:24 -0400469_iso-8859-1 "many is a word which always leaves you guessing. guessing 'bout a thing, you really oughtta know..."

just the fax ma'am

Noam Stopak

p.s. Perhaps you mean weapons of mass deception? p.p.s. One more useless internet petition - visit VoteToImpeach.org



-----Original Message----- From: LHIAM1@aol.com [mailto:LHIAM1@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:00 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Palestinian Textbooks [...] 17047 1358 39_Fw: If a leader is just - June 23, 20038_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:52:28 +0200370_iso-8859-1 Beliefnet Daily ReadingHi All,

I'm sending you the following message because it's just as relevant, today, as it has been since time began.

Have a nice week, Mollie Marx ----- Original Message ----- From: Beliefnet Jewish Wisdom To: molieric@NETVISION.NET.IL Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: If a leader is just - June 23, 2003 [...] 18406 140 21_Petitions and Justice12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:50:57 +0200567_us-ascii Dear Steve, Yes I mean dear. Your past counts for something. Your current advocacy of Jewish and Israeli causes counts for a great deal too. Even if I don't hold with some positions you support, the sheer commitment also counts for something. So in my book you are way ahead on points. I suspect that you sense this feeling i have for you, which would explain " Where and when have I ever advocated "killing everyone who isn't for peace"? I would never have expected you to make that kind of comparison." Well here's what I actually wrote: "it's *like* [...] 18547 210 8_Hebonics13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 20:35:11 +0200311_windows-1255 NEW YORK - The New York City school board has officially declared Jewish English - now dubbed Hebonics - as a second language. Backers of the move say the city's School District is the first in the state to recognize Hebonics as a valid language and significant attribute of New York culture. [...] 18758 103 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:41:03 -0400490_iso-8859-1

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Far be it from me to get between you and a pet peeve... (though the fact that "many people thought that was the cause" is not too strong a proof ... It's not the only proof I provided, though you provided no proof at all to support your contention. I mentioned that slavery was, in fact, ended by the Civil War. 18862 266 25_RE: Petitions and Justice11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 11:41:43 -0700590_us-ascii Dear Amnon

Points well taken. Also those about dogs and fleas, allowing for a minor commentary. When I was on an Ulpan in kibbutz Mizra near Afula, I spoke to a Holocaust survivor about Israel's intensive trade with Germany and the seeming moral ambivilances involved. He pointed to his wife and his young son and answered that he would trade with whomever he had to, especially when traditional friends let you down and traditional enemies are willing to help. (A great case in point was during the Yom Kippur War, when America held back sending us gas masks in order [...] 19129 163 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 14:48:55 -0400390_iso-8859-1 As an after thought, if you are really interested, check out James Mcpherson's book, A Battle Cry of Freedom which demonstrates quite well that slavery was the issue which caused the southern states to attempt to leave the Union. In a county by county study it shows the the higher percentage of slaves in a county corresponded directly with that county's desire to secede. [...] 19293 84 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 22:11:19 +0200515_iso-8859-1 In an exchange between Hiam and Richard, Richard asked "what did "we" fight the Civil War for?"

I was reminded that in high school Rivka and I had the good fortune to study history with Miss Farrel a truly remarkable teacher. Using primary sources and a balanced diet of historians she opened our minds to skepticism, to the notion that truth is relative and not necessarily so. One husband and wife team of historians she introduced us to regarding the civil war were Charles and Mary Beard [...] 19378 32 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:43:07 EDT589_US-ASCII When Queen Noor was interviewed by Larry King not too long ago, she stated the fact, shly, that the Arab community was greatly flawed in its distribution of wealth, and that too much money was in the hands of the few at the top, while so amny poor were at the bottom of the pyramid-- and that that situation neede to be ameliorated. One could tell that, although simplistic, the bottom line here was emabrrassing to her, and that it was the main truth. If the "Palestiians" had enough moeny for food, clothing, cultural programming, progressive education, decent housing and [...] 19411 107 43_Re: Another side of the new liberal Judaism8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:36:55 +0200602_iso-8859-1 Dear Noam,

I do apologies for not answering you sooner. According to the Oxford dictionary a Liberal is a person who, among other things, is generous, open-minded, candid and unprejudiced.

Is a person, who prefers to argue rather than present his case a Liberal? Is a person, who shows anger whenever someone (dares) to express an opposite opinion a Liberal? Is a person, who shows prejudice when it concerns someone else's opposing and legitimate opinion a Liberal? Is a person, who in order to (try) and win his argument will blow hot and then cold (I said this, but, I [...] 19519 338 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:36:42 -0400357_iso-8859-1 I am sorry if this is boring everyone else, but the one thing I know about (making me a liberal I guess, by Mollie's definition) is the American Civil War.

The Beard's Marxist interpretation of history and the Civil War in particular, is interesting, but does not contradict my insistence that slavery was the major cause of the war. [...] 19858 378 43_Re: Another side of the new liberal Judaism13_richard smith19_rdsmith1957@msn.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 17:52:25 -0400378_iso-8859-1 Your second paragraph, seems to me, to describe those people with which Noam, and sometimes I, is frequently arguing.

I think Noam makes his case well and shows an open-mindedness I sense is lacking in many of those on the other side. Of course one always seems to think the people on the other side of the argument is close minded because they disagree. [...] 20237 102 43_RE: Another side of the new liberal Judaism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:12:56 -0400365_iso-8859-1 Dear Mollie,

In the grand scheme of things I've presented my case on a number of subject on habonet, so I'm not sure exactly what you mean. A brief review of the archive will prove my point. Oh, sorry am I arguing? That happens here too. Presenting views which are sometimes in opposition is part of a candid open-minded exchange in my book. [...] 20340 34 43_RE: Another side of the new liberal Judaism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:16:57 -0400413_iso-8859-1 One more thing Mollie - can you answer my question?

Here it is again:

> > > > Can you explain why it is that "non-liberal" Jews (what > > shall we call you folks who refer to liberal Jews as if > > they were "those other Jews"?) feel the need to insist > > that any Jew who speaks out against the slander and > > oppression of others is ignoring the plight of their > > fellow Jews? [...] 20375 141 69_Statement issued by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 06:46:42 -0500712_us-ascii



June 23, 2003

To the sons and daughters of our great people!

To those who have fashioned our glory and the intifada and resistance!

To our heroic prisoners!

We salute you with admiration and in resistance and steadfastness!

These days, as the daily killing, the destruction of houses, the colonial settlement, the Zionist terror, and the genocidal war against our people, against our militants, and against the very foundations of their human existence continue, the American Administration is encouraging measures to ensconce its colonialism of fraternal Iraq, to liquidate the just cause of our people, and their legitimate resistance struggle; [...] 20517 109 43_Re: Another side of the new liberal Judaism8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:21:10 +0200600_iso-8859-1 Dear Judith, Noam and Richard,

Isn't Email wonderful. I wrote my letter this afternoon (Israeli time) and you all have already responded. Thank you.

You all really read in my letter things I never implied, thus, never meant. I certainly do not feel that all demagogues and populists are liberals. This is twisting my words, but, heh, I'm liberal enough not to take offense. Maybe I should not have included a list of world personalities, whose influence on humanity was so great and positive, for it didn't explain anything to you. If you all see a "liberal" as one who [...] 20627 57 43_RE: Another side of the new liberal Judaism12_Stopak, Noam20_NStopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:36:10 -0400300_iso-8859-1 One correction. Just so we are clear about who is twisting words or perhaps who is not.

... > > Noam, I never said, that the non-liberal Jews speak out > against the slander > and oppression of others is ignoring the plight of their > fellow Jews.

Here's what you said: [...] 20685 27 43_Re: Another side of the new liberal Judaism12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT)301_us-ascii >>> Example: a Liberal is one who will join any protest, any ause with open arms for that is what is in fashion at the moment. Another person perhaps will also join protests and causes, but, only after he has examined the problem from more than one side before he makes up his mind. <<< [...] 20713 65 50_[Fwd: Re: Another side of the new liberal Judaism]13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:32:15 -0400598_us-ascii Dearest Friends,

Since Mollie saw fit to include me in her latest jab-and-retreat attack to the listserve, I thought I would forward to you my previously PRIVATE communication with her. That way you can judge what I said for yourselves.

I personally don't get what Mollie is trying to prove. But having been cast as the Habonet LIBERAL straw woman, I join my crackly straw hands with Noam and Richard in solidarity, laughing at the ridiculousness of this entire attack. And I say to my Mosh boys, in the words of the Oz Scarecrow (another empty headed liberal) "Why I'd [...] 20779 21 25_Re: Palestinian Textbooks0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:54:10 EDT633_US-ASCII I think I quoted an article - not write it.....

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-----Original Message----- From: Steve Klein [mailto:kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 8:44 AM To: habonet@shamash.com Subject: FW: Judophobia...... by Yashiko Sagamori



habonet

A search of Google turned up a whole spate of articles by Yashiko Sagamori, but I haven't found a bio yet, and I don't know to whom he/she might be connected, if to anyone. The article is interesting, and I felt that if I didn't send it along, it would be a form of "passive censorship" on my part. Sagamori's theory of Judophobia seems outlandish to me, but others may find a nerve or two. [...] 22022 51 44_Re: FW: Judophobia...... by Yashiko Sagamori0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:39:20 EDT474_US-ASCII Steve he was doing very well by my logic until he came to the punchline. Its much simpler to believe that US policy in the region has far less to do with Israel, than it does with Arab (read OIL) relations. When the Arabs let it be known that -- if there were a broader conflict or territorial retention, or whatever, it could interfere with the flow and price of OIL -- the US listens and reins in Israel in ways that are no immediate threat to its survival. [...] 22074 25 15_Machon Reunion!11_Katz, Alisa22_ABKatz@bos.co.la.ca.us31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 09:47:24 -0700558_iso-8859-1 Hey all of you who went on Machon L'Madrichei Chutz La'Aretz - do you know there is a Reunion for all Machonnikim, October 23-26 in Jerusalem?!! For info go to www.jafi.org.il/education/dept/bogreimachon/indexenglish Hope to see you there...Alisa Belinkoff Katz (Machzor Mem Zayin)

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...] 22100 84 44_RE: FW: Judophobia...... by Yashiko Sagamori11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:06:09 -0700368_us-ascii Dennis

One correction: I don't think Israel is as dependent on cheap Arab labor as it once was. There are tens of thousands of other minorities now in Israel that have filled a large portion of the gaps.

The "thorn" that is Israel is that it is a Western enclave in a very Middle-Eastern setting. I don't know what the solution to that is. [...] 22185 28 44_Re: FW: Judophobia...... by Yashiko Sagamori0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:25:14 EDT368_US-ASCII

In a message dated 6/25/03 10:04:38 AM, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:

<< I don't know what the solution to that is. >>

Steve - why should there have to be a "solution" to that- WHy isn't it possible for Irael to exist as a progressive Western society....to have a personality of its own even in a sea of something else?..susie [...] 22214 51 19_Re: Machon Reunion!11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:34:21 -0700697_US-ASCII on 6/25/03 9:47 AM, Katz, Alisa at ABKatz@bos.co.la.ca.us wrote:

> Hey all of you who went on Machon L'Madrichei Chutz La'Aretz - do you know > there is a Reunion for all Machonnikim, October 23-26 in Jerusalem?!! For > info go to www.jafi.org.il/education/dept/bogreimachon/indexenglish > Hope to see you there...Alisa Belinkoff Katz (Machzor Mem Zayin) > > ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ > Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org > A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an > online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > > * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * > Shamash invites you to [...] 22266 122 22_articles for Chadashot22_Rachel Jenkins-Stevens26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:25:21 -0400614_iso-8859-1 Dear Habonetters,

The Habonim Dror Foundation is putting together another issue of Chadashot, our newsletter, to be mailed out to all HDNA alumni in our database at the end of the summer. This is a good time to update your mailing address in the Habonim Dror People Finder www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/people, to make sure you receive your copy. This issue of Chadashot is in commemoration of 70 years of Habonim camping. We are looking for articles to go in the newsletter, and if any of you are inspired to share stories about your experiences at Machaneh, we would love to receive them. [...] 22389 273 50_US MEDIA Contacts & Links - Good Reference to keep11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:23:21 -0500750_us-ascii

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Network/Cable Television ABC ABC News 47 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023 Phone: 212-456-7777 General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com [...] 22663 28 36_Socialist version of Zionist history11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:31:11 -0500325_us-ascii

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/irae-j21.shtml http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jun2003/isr2-j23.shtml Their version of Zionist "history"

I located these, however on a different site: http://www.rense.com/index.htm - Nationwide Talk Radio Network (British). Eye opening 'stuff' out there... 22692 101 19_Gedalya's synagogue7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 26 Jun 2003 23:50:26 +0200375_windows-1255 "It was not the priests that bore the Ark, but the Ark that bore its bearers."

We were reminded of this saying several times over on Tuesday, when we went to inaugerate the mobile synagogue that Penina and Simcha donated to Battalion 51 of the Golani Brigade. Many units in the army wanted that synagogue, but their beloved Battalion 51 received it. [...] 22794 271 39_Gedalya's synagogue - Barukh Dayan Emet12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:40:51 +0200582_iso-8859-1 Haverim/ot One of the classics of early Israeli prose was Moshe Shamir's novel B'MO YADAV - With His Own Hands whose hero Alik, was dedicated to Shamir's older brother. He was patterned on Moshe Shamir's own unripe Canaanite-Sabra-ite views. With his own hands implies that Sabra culture owes nothing, not even respect, to Jewish tradition. The work's first words were "Alik was born from the sea." The flesh and blood Alik fell in January 1948, one of the early casualties of the War of Independence. He was in command of a tender pickup truck at he head of a food [...] 23066 291 82_FW: MEF Wire: P. Roush on "Saudi Abductions and the Betrayal of American Families"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:22:15 -0700423_iso-8859-1 I am sending this along FYI. The article does not mention the long-standing "personal" relationship with the Royal Family, but maybe it doesn't have to.

Steve



-----Original Message----- From: MEF News [mailto:mefnews@meforum.org] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 1:04 AM To: kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com Subject: MEF Wire: P. Roush on "Saudi Abductions and the Betrayal of American Families" [...] 23358 60 35_Fwd: Jerusalem's `Bilingual School'12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:27:26 +0200463_us-ascii







>>Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:09:17 +0200 >>From: Amnon Hadary >>Subject: Jerusalem's `Bilingual School' >>X-Sender: amriv@mail.netvision.net.il (Unverified) >>To: amriv@netvision.net.il >>X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 > >Just look at this > >Rivka and Amnon > >>http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=312064&contrassID=2&subContrassID=15&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y 23419 401 36_FW: "I" before "e" except after "c,"11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:32:41 -0700530_iso-8859-1 Passing this along, as depressing as the truth of it is.

Steve



-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:06 PM To: Elly Krapek; George Briggs; Joyce Kishineff; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw: "I" before "e" except after "c,"























Subject: Fwd: "I" before "e" except after "c,"

Except When You're Targeting Jews by Jeffrey Dunetz [...] 23821 26 16_Bilingual School11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:05:21 -0700700_iso-8859-1 Amnon

Thank you for the article on the success of the bilingual school. It is a ray of hope.

Steve

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Please find attached my unreserved apology for what I have done. I was wrong.

Please feel free to circulate this letter.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Wilkie





========= Andrew Wilkie Nuffield Professor of Pathology, Weatherall Institute of Molecular Medicine, The John Radcliffe, Headington, Oxford OX3 9DS, UK.



Dear Professor Wilkie, [...] 23936 141 23_Re: Gedalya's synagogue8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 28 Jun 2003 10:17:22 +0200541_windows-1255 Dear Pearl,

Thank you so much for sending us this beautiful article of Fath and the community spirit. I have sent it on to friends, whom I think will all appreciate reading it.

Sabbath Shalom, Mollie ----- Original Message ----- From: "skolnik" To: "Cookie Cohen" ; ; ; ; ; "Don Goelman" Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:50 PM Subject: Gedalya's synagogue [...] 24078 136 17_Re: From a friend13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Sat, 28 Jun 2003 12:08:44 +0200426_iso-8859-1 More on the Wilkie story from Eugene Volokh (http://volokh.com/):

The heading was "Antisemitism at Oxford," and while I'm not sure that it was quite anti-semitism, but it certainly seemed like bigotry, hatred of people (Israelis even if not Jews) because of what their government does. Moreover, it seemed like an odd way for a university official to make decisions about what his department should do. [...] 24215 45 28_Prof. Wilkie loose at Oxford11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:18:15 -0700552_iso-8859-1 Thank you Roz and Jon (and others) for bringing the Wilkie affair to our attention.

It is rare for something like this to disturb me the way it did, and still does. Mr. Wilkie can apologise from here to god-knows-where and still not make up for his level of bias and certainly not for his monumental stupidity in letting his opinions out in this manner. "Others have similar views" certainly doesn't explain away his own lack of ability to put thoughts and actions together. And he is a professor! At Oxford! What hope is there? [...] 24261 350 34_FW: Fw: BOB HOPE AND THE HOLOCAUST11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sat, 28 Jun 2003 08:22:59 -0700829_iso-8859-1

-----Original Message----- From: stan klein [mailto:popeye337@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 7:56 AM To: richarnow@aol.com; marc@sunny-net.ne.jp; kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com; jsplan@ez2.net; hwgluckman@zapcom.net; hemenite@aol.com; Bodacious@netzon.net Subject: Fwd: Fw: BOB HOPE AND THE HOLOCAUST











>Bob Hope &the Holocaust: No Laughing Matter >by Dr. Rafael Medoff >(Dr. Medoff is director of The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, which focuses on issues related to America's response to the Holocaust www.WymanInstitute.org) > > > Bob Hope's 100th birthday has been the occasion for an outpouring of heartfelt tributes to one of America's greatest comedians. Among his many achievements, Hope is perhaps best known as the premier [...] 24612 175 23_Re: Gedalya's synagogue7_skolnik25_pskolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 28 Jun 2003 21:18:13 +0200647_windows-1255 shalom, thanks so much for your kind words. I am glad you sent it on for others to read. shavua tov, pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: "molieric" To: Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Gedalya's synagogue



> Dear Pearl, > > Thank you so much for sending us this beautiful article of Fath and the > community spirit. I have sent it on to friends, whom I think will all > appreciate reading it. > > Sabbath Shalom, > Mollie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "skolnik" > To: "Cookie Cohen" ; [...] 24788 119 14_e-mail ???????13_moshe sheskin24_moshes7@netvision.net.il55_Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:14:54 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time)296_iso-8859-1 O.k. dear friends. This is another of those little gems that you should have at least for the first time.

If you think you are technologically advanced, read this and learn something about the media which we call e-mail

Moshe

http://www.howstuffworks.com/email.htm 24908 234 39_Friedman covers up for lies on Iraq war11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Sun, 29 Jun 2003 10:41:04 -0600539_us-ascii World Socialist Web Site www.wsws.org

Friedman: We did it "because we could" New York Times covers up for lies on Iraq war By Bill Vann 6 June 2003

In the face of a mounting international scandal over US and British falsehoods about weapons of mass destruction, advanced to justify the invasion and occupation of Iraq, Thomas Friedman, the New York Times's chief foreign affairs columnist, has leapt into the breach to assure the paper's readers that whether Bush and Blair lied about WMDs is beside the point. [...] 25143 259 43_RE: Friedman covers up for lies on Iraq war11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:39:13 -0700528_us-ascii habonetters

I just read the article below with its musings about "Ariel Sharon's bloody exploits". I know this phraseology has been put forward as truth and has taken on a life of its own (much like the "Protocols") ever since Sabra and Shatila, and was and is a wonderful tool in the hands of Arab propagandists. And yes, it has grown and flourished out there, obviously. Is there somewhere to find out the untainted story of what took place? Does it justify a tag of "bloody exploits"? Please illuminate. [...] 25403 55 43_Re: Friedman covers up for lies on Iraq war0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:28:34 EDT565_US-ASCII Those who know and have followed Tom Friendman know that he is a class act. He knows the turf he covers well and has really taken some stands that have made him unpopular with everyone in the region. Nevertheless, he still has universal access to the leaders there because they respect him even when they don't like him. Everyone is strugling on this war in Iraq business. Tom Friedman has a point of view that hardly cynical. He cares deeply about the region and if he sometimes writes cynically, that is a matter of style. I don't always agree with [...] 25459 55 44_Palestine: Nation or Cult/ WSJ /Cynthia Ozik11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:08:06 -0500675_us-ascii ON THE ROAD

Where Hatred Trumps Bread What does the Palestinian nation offer the world?

BY CYNTHIA OZICK Monday, June 30, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT



And what rough beast, its hour come at last, Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?

--W.B. Yeats When, some years ago, Golda Meir contentiously remarked, "There are no Palestinians," she was historically correct and evolutionally mistaken. She was right because the people who had only recently begun to take on the name "Palestinian" were ethnically and civilizationally Arab, part of what the Arabs themselves were pleased to call, with the poetic resonance of indivisibility, "the [...] 25515 73 44_Re: The differences that unite us. Isaiah II0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Mon, 30 Jun 2003 11:41:36 EDT504_US-ASCII Amnon, You write on a theme close to my heart. As a Gault Jew I am full of the melancholy and detachment that comes from existing in a world of unreality. I am an idealist because the world in which I exist does not exist for me. I must conceive of my own world. It truly flows with milk and honey. It is over-brimming with idealism, it extends its hand to all others with good will and brotherly love. Steeped, as I am, in the books of my faith, I see the world as it should be, not as it [...] 25589 136 18_Re: e-mail ???????8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:37:38 +0200568_iso-8859-1 Dear Moshe,

Thank you for sending us this very useful information. It's just mind bogging, so, I'm sending it to others, who may or may not (moi) understand it. We all will get the essence, and with a lot of patience and study will eventually understand it.

By they way, we also use Netvision and we get their newsletter via the Email. In a recent one (23.6.03) there was an item about micro soft intending to stop production of parts for Window 98, hoping that that will force us to buy their newer products such as, Window 2000 and XP. [...] 25726 221 17_Dejavu Been There12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:58:48 +0200535_iso-8859-1

Haverim/ot Today, the army began to pull back from Bet Hanun in the northern part of the Gaza strip. Rahel the poet has this wonderful take on nostalgia: V'ulai, maybe those things never happened. Perhaps it never was, Perhaps I never rose at dawn and went to the field, To cultivate it in the sweat of my brow Nor on long blazing harvest days Atop a sheave-laden wagon Raised my voice in song Nor purified myself in the calm blue Waters of innocence Of my Kinneret …O my Kinneret Were you real or did I dream? [...]