1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet February 2003
2 53 23_Conference announcement16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 01 Feb 2003 02:53:02 -0500577_us-ascii CONFERENCE: Commentary, the American Jewish Community & American Culture<br><br>Announcement of Conference<br><br>Commentary, the American Jewish Community and American Culture:<br><br>A conference jointly sponsored by The Myer and Rosaline Feinstein Center for American Jewish History, Temple University; The American Jewish Committee; and The Graduate Center, City University of New York.<br><br>The conference is an examination of Commentary's early days; its impact on American foreign and domestic policies, and its influence on American and Jewish culture. [...]
56 84 102_Re: voting, freedom of expression, and a response to the usual snide carping from Steve Klein esquire.11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sat, 01 Feb 2003 09:45:35 -0500435_us-ascii Steve,<br><br>I apologize for my typo, sorry it seems to have upset you. I'm sure you have never transposed any letters ever in your life. I can only aspire to your level of perfection, in both spelling and thought.<br><br>It seems you also want me to apologize for my vote. See, the neat thing about voting is that people can cast theirs, even when they are in opposition to your position. Sorry if that upsets you too. [...]
141 106 50_Ahava, Socialism and Prurience HABONET digest 248712_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:34:08 +0200595_iso-8859-1 Shalom Meir, It's been too long since we've spoken and I don't recall ever having corresponded. I was perplexed by your line about <Right now I'm working on "love". ("School of Love" - ") Seems to me more important than socialism.<br><br>Some time ago when you wrote about your involvement with Temple of Love I didn't look up the web site. Now that I have, I'm bemused (read: "perplexed by many conflicting situations or statements.") The Talmud would paraphrase bemused as "mah inyan shmittah l'Har Sinai? What does letting the fields lie fallow on the seventh year have to do [...]
248 26 22_Re: Going Off the List11_Lon Ephraim14_cbma@erols.com31_Sat, 01 Feb 2003 21:25:39 -0500579_us-ascii Tsippi -<br><br>Good luck!!!!!<br><br>Shelly (Schonebaum Ephraim - Judy's sister)<br><br><br><br>><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
275 37 9_Re: ahava0_15_Emabear@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:08:16 EST362_US-ASCII Thank you Steve. You said it well. I, too, never intended to suggest censoring the posting on Habonet. I was putting forth my opinion on that particular posting. To me, it didn't represent who I think we are, or does it? Don't want to get preachy so I'll stop here. I can always use my delete key as I do with other sites that disturb me. Ellen Ginsburg
313 123 102_RE: voting, freedom of expression, and a response to the usual snide carping from Steve Klein esquire.11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:47:30 -0800575_US-ASCII Noam<br><br>Thank you for your kind words about my spelling and thought. I do try, and I'm glad that is noticed.<br><br>No need to apologise for your vote. That was my whole point. Again, your vote was fine.<br><br>About the "links". I still feel the same; Habonet, by its nature, can often load and overload one's computer screen, and a lot of us are who are working folk find it difficult and time-consuming enough to just get through the regular postings and get on to our regular lives. If we add everything else and hodge-podge the site,I'm afraid it will [...]
437 86 9_RE: ahava11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:59:57 -0800457_US-ASCII Richard<br><br>Thanks for calling that to my attention. On second thought, I realise I feel the same. Have you ever gone through the list of all the things you can do with those little "Bounce" sheets? It's incredible!<br><br>Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Richardrdsmith@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 4:34 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: ahava [...]
524 61 22_RE: Going Off the List11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Sun, 2 Feb 2003 06:59:57 -0800541_US-ASCII Tsippi<br><br>I hope you are taking Bernie Siegal with you! ("Love, Medicine and Miracles").<br><br>We need to talk. I will call you soon.<br><br>In any case, my thoughts are strongly with you on the journey.<br><br>Answer to your question of the day: Testosterone. Nothing more. Sorry.<br><br>]Steve<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Tsippi (Frances) Rudy Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:07 PM To: Habonet@shamash.org Subject: Going Off the List [...]
586 52 39_Re: voting, freedom of expression, etc.11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 02 Feb 2003 17:55:32 -0500526_us-ascii Steve Klein wrote:<br><br>> Noam > ... > > About the "links". I still feel the same; Habonet, by its nature, can often > load and overload one's computer screen, and a lot of us are who are working > folk find it difficult and time-consuming enough to just get through the > regular postings and get on to our regular lives. If we add everything else > and hodge-podge the site,I'm afraid it will become burdonsome and lose the > brilliant (and delicate) essence that it presently has. My vote stays the > same. [...]
639 174 12_ahava a somg0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:15:36 EST360_US-ASCII Dear Noam.<br><br>I wrote my first song since becoming ill. I am not saying it has anything to do with socialism and love but then again maybe that is exactly what it is.<br><br>Too Much Money<br><br>Words and Music by Sam Flesher Copyright 2003<br><br>Everywhere you look its too much money Too much money Too little time for magic and for love [...]
814 62 22_Re: Going Off the List14_Frankie Meppen20_ganenet1@hotmail.com31_Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:52:54 -0800283_- Dear Tsippi, Hope you are hanging in there. I sent you an email a few days ago and just got word it was undeliverable. Just read your last letter on Habonet and it`s to late to phone, so here`s a hug ,a kiss and a laila tov from me . I`ll call you soon, boobie. Love, Frankie [...]
877 566 3_FW:11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:39:30 -0800455_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 3:15 PM To: Doug and Renee Goldenberg-Schwartz; Elly Krapek; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw:<br><br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: marcia plager To: Marcia Plager Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:23 AM<br><br><br><br><br><br>This piece is long and jumps a bit, but is still worth reading - Rabbi Rose. [...]
1444 33 15_Ilan Ramon- z"l0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:48:17 EST569_US-ASCII A few months ago, a stack of posters were delivered to my office with the picture of an astronaut in bright orange, holding his helmet with an Israeli flag in the background. I didn't know much about Ilan at that time- but Phil, my boss, had become freinds with him after he had interviewed Ilan for his TV show, and then asked him totakes some kosher food with him into space, since he was representing the Jewish people. They often spoke and visited. When we had our event, "Chanuka at Universal Studios" this past Thanksgiving week, Ilan came with his [...]
1478 21 14_Ilan Ramon z"l11_Don Goelman25_don.goelman@villanova.edu31_Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:53:36 -0500545_us-ascii See<br><br>http://www.jr.co.il/pictures/israel/history/space.htm<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1500 19 18_Re: Ilan Ramon z"l0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:30:29 EST514_US-ASCII Thanks don- I saw it already--sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
1520 28 7_Re: FW:0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:49:56 EST430_US-ASCII Steve, Dennis here. I read the Falaci article. It reminded me of a book I just picked which I think you would enjoy. Its called Pigs at the Trough about the current generation of robber barons. Arianna Huffington is the author. She's the one behind the Detroit campaign that links driving SUVs with supporting terrorism. As I say, I think you'd enjoy it. It would provoke you and I know you love to be provoked. :-) [...]
1549 156 21_Another Piece on Ilan0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:08:41 EST615_ISO-8859-1 Here's a beautiful piece written by a former shaliach from Hartford , CT:<br><br>From: "Arik Rosenblum" <ArikR@cet.ac.il> Subject: The Colombia Tragedy Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:02:47 +0200<br><br>Dear Friends,<br><br>Like all over Israel and the United States we at the Center for Educational Technology (CET) are stunned by the events that took place yesterday. I guess the only thing that seems to make it even harder to accept is the fact that most of us, myself included, had an on going relationship with Ilan Ramon z"l, and of course the many Israeli professionals in the field of science who [...]
1706 274 13_Dennis Prager13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il30_Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:41:00 +0200422_windows-1255 What the world would like the president to say<br><br>My fellow Americans:<br><br><br><br><br><br>After consulting with our loyal allies in Europe, speaking with United Nations officials, reading major American newspapers, listening to National Public Radio, consulting with Hollywood movie stars, and meeting with professors from our universities, I have changed my mind.<br><br><br><br>They are right. [...]
1981 59 7_RE: FW:11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:26:16 -0800559_us-ascii Dennis<br><br>Thanks for the recommendation! This isn't the first time I've heard of this book, but your heads-up will push me to actually hunting it down. I've got a trade: I heard a review this morning about a new book just out by Susan McDougal. Something about her time in jail, and the whole meat-grinder apparatus that the Republicans (Headed by Ken Star) used to crush everyone in their way in order to bring Clinton to his knees. (Maybe that was a poor choice of words, but you know what I mean). I definitely will look for them both at [...]
2041 25 7_Re: FW:0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:20:16 EST440_US-ASCII Steve,<br><br>I'm afraid 60 comes to the lucky ones. Funny, it only feels lucky when you think about those who didn't make it.<br><br>I check up on Susan McDougal Dennis<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
2067 98 31_Hannah Senesh on the astronauts0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:38:18 EST621_US-ASCII Hope y'all find this as touching as I did<br><br>Chaver Steve ===========================================<br><br><br><br>Hannah Senesh, a young Jewish woman who was captured by the Nazis when she parachuted behind their lines in Hungary to save Jews, wrote a poem called "Yesh Kochavim," "There Are Stars." I thought of it when I heard of the fiery death of the astronauts. A cousin of my wife, Jeff Klepper, has put the poem to music. Unfortunately I don't have a copy myself to share with you (which I suppose would be illegal anyway). The poem was originally written in Hebrew. Its English translate is: [...]
2166 296 11_Fw: VOTE NO6_livney20_livney@barkai.org.il30_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:07:34 +0200584_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-------------------------------- Avi and Bat7 Livney Kibbutz Barkai D.N. Menashe 37860 Israel ----- Original Message ----- From: Shifra Ziv To: Ziv Amitai ; Yehuda Witenoff ; Sandy ; sandra fagen ; sabine & paul pinkus ; ruthlyon ; rinayak ; reuven barneis ; relik ; Nina Baker ; Naomi Sager ; Miriam & Raymond Dayan ; mike barbara gradginsky ; livney ; Krasnik, Oleg ; Jack ; itzhaif ; Idangrod@aol.com ; heckelds ; grams2 ; eishalom ; eddie margo rosen ; Davy & Rezzie Baum ; bergeryd ; boral ; Bob Applebaum ; batya ariel ; Aubrey Chosack ; Aryeh Greenfeld [...]
2463 61 25_FW: Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 09:22:04 -0800762_iso-8859-1 <br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Steve Klein [mailto:kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:21 AM To: kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com Subject: FW: Trial of Ed Rosenthal<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Steve Klein [mailto:kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:54 AM To: Habonet Subject: Trial of Ed Rosenthal<br><br><br><br>Is there anyone out there who knows what is going on with the trial of Ed Rosenthal?! I only heard bits and pieces while driving home last night, Feb. 5. The little I understood was that a federal court in San Francisco had brought a verdict against one Ed Rosenthal for "conspiracy to distribute drugs", and that sentencing was [...]
2525 42 21_Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 08:54:13 -0800584_iso-8859-1 Is there anyone out there who knows what is going on with the trial of Ed Rosenthal?! I only heard bits and pieces while driving home last night, Feb. 5. The little I understood was that a federal court in San Francisco had brought a verdict against one Ed Rosenthal for "conspiracy to distribute drugs", and that sentencing was to take place today or soon. MAXIMUM SENTENCE ON THIS VIOLATION IS 85 YEARS. The federal prosecuters spoke three days; the defence spoke two hours. Reason: The court forbade anyone to speak of the connection to the other party involved in [...]
2568 973 12_ed rosenthal0_15_Marshlf@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:47:30 EST470_UTF-8 steve, and other who may interested in this trial, there are of course several websites following this trial. and of course my link to it is thru old habochevre, who are actively monitoring it. here's some info sent to me this moerning. probably more than you wanted to know.<br><br>--lisa<br><br><br><br>I. Press on jurors II. San Diego passes medical marijuana guidelines III. Upcoming federal MMJ trials need support IV. Rosenthal Grand Jury manipulations [...]
3542 68 49_Re: American Kangaroo Court Trial of Ed Rosenthal0_18_Artbentoby@aol.com31_Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:57:48 -0500744_iso-8859-1 Here is a sample AP article of the jurors' reactions: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0204potking04-ON.html<br><br>The New York Times called the prosecution "mean-spirited" among other things. Here is a set of cartoons from the Village Voice about the War on Drugs:<br><br>http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0306/fiore.php<br><br>Go to www.mapinc.org, www.marijuana.news.com and www.norml.org for some good stories on the subjects.<br><br>No doubt there will be an appeal based on the judges' withholding of information. Reportedly the judge had to go through 80 potential jurors before he found 12 who would cooperate. The jurors literally did not know who Rosenthal was other than the "dealer" that he was presented to [...]
3611 28 25_RE: Trial of Ed Rosenthal0_24_purpleroot8@netscape.net31_Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:41:59 -0500715_iso-8859-1 Thanks for alterting us to what happened to Ed Rosenthal, Steve. Do you know whether he will appeal? Is there a public outcry? -- Shloime (Sol)<br><br><br><br><br><br>__________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp<br><br>Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
3640 108 49_RE: American Kangaroo Court Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:11:26 -0800550_iso-8859-1 dear Arthur<br><br>Thank you so much for the articles! The Village Voice site is especially enlightening (and entertaining), but thy are all eye-openers. Kafka needs to come back and comment on what we are falling into.<br><br>Thanks Again,<br><br>Steve Klein<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Artbentoby@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:58 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: American Kangaroo Court Trial of Ed Rosenthal [...]
3749 48 25_RE: Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Fri, 7 Feb 2003 08:47:26 -0800587_iso-8859-1 Sol<br><br>I'm in the same boat as you are. I definitely would like to be informed of activities toward helping Mr. Rosenthal (and in fighting these b-----ds).<br><br>Steve<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of purpleroot8@netscape.net Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:42 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: RE: Trial of Ed Rosenthal<br><br><br><br>Thanks for alterting us to what happened to Ed Rosenthal, Steve. Do you know whether he will appeal? Is there a public outcry? -- Shloime (Sol) [...]
3798 36 35_Re: Hannah Senesh on the astronauts0_13_JLCAA@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:59:28 EST65_US-ASCII Thanks Steve. I've sent it out to dozens of friends. Avi
3835 36 25_RE: Trial of Ed Rosenthal13_Dan Bernstein17_dsb1@nycap.rr.com31_Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:43:01 -0500648_us-ascii I am going to ask Hilton about his son's coach Mack and Steve Davis has a friend who played soccer in college. That might be enough. We can talk as we get closer. Your friends at work are a good source. We might recruit for the last double game as a tryout. At 09:41 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks for alterting us to what happened to Ed Rosenthal, >Steve. Do you know whether he will appeal? Is there >a public outcry? -- Shloime (Sol) > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp [...]
3872 517 71_Organizational sign-on letter to support AIDS activists in South Africa0_17_ANSAfrica@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:55:09 EST526_ISO-8859-1 URGENT ACTION - PLEASE READ AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY<br><br>Please send organizational endorsements by February 12, 2003, to: ansadeborah@aol.com<br><br>Dear Friends,<br><br>We are writing to ask your organization to sign a letter and take action in support of a major South African mobilization effort to help save the lives of millions of South African people living with HIV/AIDS. Please forward this request for endorsements and action to any organizations you know that might be interested in participating. [...]
4390 226 40_A letter to the Philadelphia Daily News.0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:49:34 EST427_US-ASCII Posted on Wed, Feb. 05, 2003<br><br>ISRAEL IS WORTH MY DAUGHTER'S LIFE By KIMBERLY LINDY<br><br>MY DAUGHTER, Alona, is to be inducted into the Israel Defense Forces in less than a week.<br><br>She is 18 - still a child.<br><br>She is the light of my life, as is her four-years-younger sister. And in three days, I am giving that light to the state of Israel - the ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate fulfillment. [...]
4617 300 52_FW: A Japanese Journalist's View of the Palestinians11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com30_Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:27:22 -0800449_iso-8859-1 Nothing new here, but a reminder nevertheless that there is more than one way to see the issues.<br><br>Steve -----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:51 PM To: Doug and Renee Goldenberg-Schwartz; Elly Krapek; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw:<br><br><br><br><br><br>The Palestinians--from a Japanese Journalist, Nov. '02<br><br>A Japanese View of the Palestinians- [...]
4918 39 56_Re: FW: A Japanese Journalist's View of the Palestinians0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:21:43 EST299_US-ASCII Steve- who is this person and where did he/she come from? It would be nice to list sources (I "tried it and liked it"- but I would like to know if this person is a journalist, student, or student journalist, or government affiliated)...and where has he been? (Is he "available"???,,,:)- sue
4958 77 57_Fwd: FW: A Japanese Journalist's View of the Palestinians0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:29:21 EST44_US-ASCII Somehow I sent this to myself!--sue
5036 19 39_IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:58:27 EST526_US-ASCII Is there a Habonim Alumni in existence?...sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5056 25 43_Re: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:09:35 -0500 (EST)505_us-ascii > Is there a Habonim Alumni in existence?...sue<br><br>I'm not sure I understand the question -- aren't we all Habonim alumni?<br><br>Or are you aking if there is an official (or semi-official) Habonim Alumni Association?<br><br>David<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
5082 25 43_Re: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com31_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:34:43 -0500499_iso-8859-1 <br><br>> Or are you aking if there is an official (or semi-official) > Habonim Alumni Association?<br><br>My questions exactly! If so, then this is it: Habonet! Along with the Habonim Dror Foundation of course.<br><br>--Brian<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
5108 22 43_Re: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:59:14 EST528_US-ASCII Years ago there was a group called "Habonim Alumni"- It wasn't the "Foundation"-- but was some organized group and, I thought, had representationin the national office. I guess I am dredging up something that happened "BC" ( before Christ or computers)..sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
5131 114 56_RE: FW: A Japanese Journalist's View of the Palestinians11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 15:34:31 -0800625_US-ASCII Sue<br><br>I'm not sure. As the article is about viewpoint, it didn't matter much to me. Let me know anyway if you find something.<br><br>Hope all is well. Looking forward to getting back together.<br><br>Steve<br><br>PS It's been REALLY busy around here. We are just now recovering. We just now found a brother that I only heard about recently. He is 67 years old, and has been out here to see me and my family. He has never had family up until now. It's been a whirlwind for us. It must be mind-boggling for him! -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On [...]
5246 20 23_To Steve Klein from Sue0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:51:02 EST612_US-ASCII Wow--I need your phone number--apparently it got thrown out by mistake- and I didn't have it in more than one place!!!!!-thanks sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration Officially launches: http://MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
5267 46 43_Re: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:28:19 EST297_US-ASCII Sue:<br><br>Perhaps you are referring to the American Habonim Association that was active in the 70's. They eventually merged into the LZA. Ben Cohen could provide more details. The official national alumni association, as Brian pointed out, is now the Habonim Dror Foundation.<br><br>Ken
5314 167 56_Fwd: [MidEastWeb] The Wonderful Meeting - Mohamed Mosaad12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:30:05 -0500
5482 37 43_Re: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence?8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:45:40 +0200454_iso-8859-1 Dear Sue,<br><br>If the group from the 2nd Work Shop ('52) who made alyia and still get together can be considered an alumni, then there is still a Habonim Alumni in existence. We even celebrated our 50th Reunion in Israel, last Oct.<br><br>All the best, Mollie Maxr ----- Original Message ----- From: <LiberHawke@aol.com> To: <habonet@shamash.org> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: IS there a Habonom Alumni in existence? [...]
5520 143 24_Regarding Habonim Alumni0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:31:58 EST594_US-ASCII <br><br><br><br><< Thanks for the answers- which go to show that according to the "official" policy- the only organized representative of Habonim Alumni is the Foundation- which means an organization looking for money. Then there are people who say "no" and the people in LA who say yes. To me this is very stange. We have a network of hundreds of people on this list all over the world and, again, no orgaznized representation either in NY or nationally. We struggle for camps to keep existing, and maybe there is a get-together for us "nostalgics" in June in NY...But I believe [...]
5664 521 36_URGENT ACTION - RESPONSE NEEDED ASAP0_17_ANSAfrica@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:47:31 EST526_ISO-8859-1 URGENT ACTION - PLEASE READ AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY<br><br>Please send organizational endorsements by February 12, 2003, to: ansadeborah@aol.com<br><br>Dear Friends,<br><br>We are writing to ask your organization to sign a letter and take action in support of a major South African mobilization effort to help save the lives of millions of South African people living with HIV/AIDS. Please forward this request for endorsements and action to any organizations you know that might be interested in participating. [...]
6186 300 36_FW: WHOSE CONCESSIONS FOR WHAT PEACE11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:58:21 -0800437_iso-8859-1 I know you'll all get a kick out of this, no matter what.<br><br>Steve -----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:55 PM To: Doug and Renee Goldenberg-Schwartz; Elly Krapek; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw: WHOSE CONCESSIONS FOR WHAT PEACE<br><br><br><br><br><br>WHOSE CONCESSIONS FOR WHAT PEACE<br><br>Steven Plaut, Professor at the University of Haifa. [...]
6487 36 23_Re: HABONET digest 24960_18_SOrenst341@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:56:14 EST128_US-ASCII Aliumni group in LA? Pick up the phone and call the LZA office. 323-655-2842. It's called American Habonim Association.
6524 618 18_A very humour game7_NEVETS215_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:31:58 EST
7143 35 22_Re: A very humour game11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 07:10:11 -0600476_us-ascii Is this a virus or worse? I do not open .exe attachments. Did you really send this? Rozzie<br><br><br><br>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: NEVETS2 <NEVETS2@aol.com> Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:31:58 EST<br><br>>><HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY> > ><FONT>Hi,This is a special humour game<br> >This game is my first work.<br> >You're the first player.<br> >I wish you would enjoy it.</FONT></BODY></HTML> > [...]
7179 107 23_RE: HABONET digest 249627_Maxene and Frank Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:37:26 +0200668_us-ascii I have cut and pasted the following from the Wall Street Journal, Opinion Journal on the web. I thought that it might be of interest.<br><br>Efraim (Frank) Perlmutter<br><br><br><br><br><br>ON THE LEFT<br><br>The Antiwar Anti-Semites Peace protest organizers tolerate no dissent.<br><br>BY MICHAEL LERNER Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST<br><br>SAN FRANCISCO--Imagine my surprise when I found out that I am banned from speaking at a peace rally here this Sunday. As editor of Tikkun, the largest-circulation liberal Jewish magazine in the world, I have been an outspoken critic of the proposed war in Iraq. I have also unequivocally condemned [...]
7287 142 23_Re: HABONET digest 24968_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:42:05 +0200352_iso-8859-1 Dear Maxene and Frank,<br><br>And now you know why the Messiah isn't coming! The disunity among us is second to our Nature.<br><br>Today, I feel that Liberians is on the fringe on society. Only Mad dogs and Arabs are in (rather than the English). Don't take it to heart and keep your hopes high that, maybe, one day sanity will return. [...]
7430 449 56_Fwd: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:49:04 EST643_US-ASCII here's something that came out yesterday. don't know if it's just whitewash.... lisa<br><br>> --- answer.general@action-mail.org wrote: > > To: <answer.general@action-mail.org> > > From: <answer.general@action-mail.org> (A.N.S.W.E.R.) > > Subject: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner > > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:17:29 -0500 > > > > FOUR COALITIONS RESPOND TO MICHAEL LERNER > > > > In the last day, as anti-war forces around the country > > have been working together to build for this weekend's > > important mobilizations, we at A.N.S.W.E.R. have been > > taken by surprise by a campaign initiated by Michael [...]
7880 2076 74_FW: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 <> 10 Adar I 576311_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:40:12 -0800556_iso-8859-1 This is a website that I depend upon for up-to-the-moment news about Israel. I have found it to be informative and "objective", meaning that while Mr,. Gluckman's sympathies lie clearly with the continued health and survival of Israel, he reports things just as they happen.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Harry Gluckman [mailto:hwgluckman@zapcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:53 AM To: hwgluckman@zapcom.net Subject: The NEWS from ISRAEL on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 <> 10 Adar I 5763 [...]
9957 93 28_Buy Ahava- fight the boycott0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:41:19 EST316_US-ASCII Ahava has lost it's entire European market due to their boycott of Israel. It's a shame..they are excellent products. If you wish to help against the boycott, when you go the drug store, grocery or department stores, take a break from your usual store brands (many of which are European made products) [...]
10051 627 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:06:19 -0800712_US-ASCII on 2/12/03 12:49 PM, Marshlf@aol.com at Marshlf@aol.com wrote:<br><br>here's something that came out yesterday. don't know if it's just whitewash.... lisa<br><br>--- answer.general@action-mail.org wrote: > To: <answer.general@action-mail.org> > From: <answer.general@action-mail.org> (A.N.S.W.E.R.) > Subject: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner > Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:17:29 -0500 > > FOUR COALITIONS RESPOND TO MICHAEL LERNER > > In the last day, as anti-war forces around the country > have been working together to build for this weekend's > important mobilizations, we at A.N.S.W.E.R. have been > taken by surprise by a campaign initiated by Michael > Lerner and furthered [...]
10679 25 22_Re: A very humour game0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 02:28:14 EST361_US-ASCII That message is indication of the Klez worm virus. It bears that same message over and over. It doesn't come from the computer it says it came from - it gets transmitted secondarily when one's address book is attacked. I'm amazed that it's the first time Rozzie has seen this message (with the incorrect grammar) - I get it about 50 times a week. [...]
10705 56 47_Fouad Ajami from the Wall Street Journal online11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:01:36 -0600643_us-ascii AT WAR<br><br>Iran Expects Will Iraq's liberation help free its neighbor too?<br><br>BY FOUAD AJAMI Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST<br><br>If and when it comes, a military campaign in Iraq would be the third to be waged in the service of the Pax Americana at Iran's doorstep.<br><br>The first was Desert Storm, the second the Afghan war. In both Iran was, for all practical purposes, America's silent partner, a beneficiary of America's technological mastery. A hated Great Power had come and waged devastating war against reviled neighbors. For Iran, those spectacles were loaded with meaning, and ambivalence: Those [...]
10762 23 16_news from Israel16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:48:07 -0500542_us-ascii The Harry Glickman web news about Israel is a direct cut-and-paste of Israeline, the daily internet headline service produced by Israel's New York consulate. You can subscribe to it directly--for free--from Israeline without having it reprocessed by Mr. Glickman.<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
10786 28 14_Lerner's ANSER16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:52:12 -0500584_us-ascii To follow up Jack Porter a bit, Michael Lerner is a self-aggrandizing megalomaniac. Nonetheless, he's finally learned the unhappy truth of the matter, that some of his "leftist friends" are in fact anti-Semites. Investigate ANSER deeply enough and you find that they're derivative of the old Spartacist League. Flagrantly anti-Zionist, and arguably anti-Semitic. Of course, it's amusing that Lerner has been ousted by them. He himself is remarkably intolerant of challenges to his own whacky views. His magazine Tikkun avoids publishing anything too critical of Lerner. [...]
10815 414 55_RE: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:48:51 -0800559_us-ascii I'm curious to know how many of our Habonet people are against neutralising Mr. Hussein. Is it a fringe? A load? What about outside Habonet? How big is this thing? I remember reading about such a movement in World War II (against Hitler). There were pacifists then, also, against war at any cost. I'm glad they were only a fringe, and not enough to hold America back from doing what was right (although I suppose, in some circles, that could still be up for debate). I am glad that the American people stayed resolute then, and I hope more than [...]
11230 56 21_News site from Israel14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:34:49 +0200173_iso-8859-1 For those who don't yet know, the Jerusalem Post has an internet edition - www.jpost.com and for those who read Ivrit, there is alway www.maariv.co.il<br><br>Dave
11287 25 18_Re: Lerner's ANSER12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:00:01 -0500 (EST)488_us-ascii Elihu Davison <EliD@worldnet.att.net> wrote (in part):<br><br>>>> Michael Lerner ... finally learned the unhappy truth of the matter, that some of his "leftist friends" are in fact anti-Semites. <<<<br><br>Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with Lerner, the "truth of the matter" is that Lerner is hardly unaware of antisemitism on the Left. More than 10 years ago, he wrote a book titled "The Socialism of Fools: Anti-Semitism on the Left" on this very subject. [...]
11313 93 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:02:59 EST504_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/13/03 12:23:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> I remember reading about such a movement in World War II (against Hitler). > There were pacifists then, also, against war at any cost. I'm glad they > were only a fringe, and not enough to hold America back from doing what was > right (although I suppose, in some circles, that could still be up for > debate). I am glad that the American people stayed resolute then, and I > [...]
11407 20 25_Re: News site from Israel0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:08:32 EST422_US-ASCII You can also access all of the above at : kolisrael.com- it has links to all of the newspapers, radio, tv, and journalistic photos...a great site!- sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
11428 35 77_Re: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:28:29 -0500 (EST)333_us-ascii Steve Klein <kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com> asked:<br><br>>>> I'm curious to know how many of our Habonet people are against neutralising Mr. Hussein. <<<<br><br>While I am opposed to Saddam Hussein, I am not convinced that an invasion -- whether by the U.S. or by U.N. forces -- is the appropriate response at this time. [...]
11464 51 77_Re: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)11_Don Goelman25_don.goelman@villanova.edu31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:41:24 -0500386_us-ascii I guess we should be grateful that CPD did include Israeli Jews as worthy of living in safety and Palestinian suicide bombers as deserving opprobrium. But their piece also mentioned "terrorism ... by the Israeli military in the Occupied Territories" and "one-sided support [by the US] for Israel in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict." Sorry I don't feel quite so balanced. [...]
11516 334 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:44:17 +0200639_iso-8859-1 Well Steve, to tell the truth, I'm kinda curious myself to know how the folks on this list feel about what seems to be the inevitable war.<br><br>First of all, I'd have to say resolutely that I'm highly ambiguous about the whole deal. As an Israeli, I certainly realize that the Middle East (indeed, the world) will be a safer and happier place to live in without Saddam Hussein. Rather than digress on the man's crimes and highly dangerous ambitions, I would strongly recommend reading Mark Bowden's superb portrait of the Iraqi leader in The Atlantic Online (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/05/bowden.htm). I have [...]
11851 30 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:45:48 EST536_US-ASCII Well- I am one of those "war-mongers"- and have done a complete 180 since my days of "Peace, Love, and Flowers."-- If humanity can not learn from history- it is bound to repeat itself (one hitler was enough), and in a way, I am glad Bush has the "beitzim" to do what he is doing. Hussein needs to be gotten rid of or we will have another Hitler. He doesn't, obviously, care about the rest of the world and laughs at it. While on a philsophical plane, war is horrible, it seems to be the only answer sometimes to masculine [...]
11882 50 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:29:20 EST381_US-ASCII Steve, Dennis here. Thanks for the opportunity to sound off about this impending war and what I think it means.<br><br>First, I think this is a war in the interest of Israel. I think it more than likely that large amounts of the intelligence about what Saddam has and hasn't got comes from the same source as the folks who identified Iraq's plutonium reactor in '81. [...]
11933 40 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:48:22 EST590_US-ASCII Sue, Hussein is not Hitler. His ambitions lie in two areas. 1. To secure and perpetuate his regime. WMD give him deterrence against his neighbors and against anyone else in the sane world (Bush is obviously a different matter). 2. To secure for himself the position of leader of the Arab world. As you know in Messianic terms the Arabs have been looking for theirs since the lost of empire, and the search has intensified (as have the rewards) since Israel's military conquered the combined Arab armies. Here too WMD give Saddam an edge over his rivals (he certainly wouldn't [...]
11974 47 18_Re: Lerner's ANSER11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:30:23 -0800580_US-ASCII on 2/13/03 12:00 PM, David Fleiss at dfleiss@pipeline.com wrote:<br><br>> Elihu Davison <EliD@worldnet.att.net> wrote (in part): > >>>> Michael Lerner ... finally learned the unhappy truth of the matter, that >>>> some of his "leftist friends" are in fact anti-Semites. <<< > > Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with Lerner, the "truth of the > matter" is that Lerner is hardly unaware of antisemitism on the Left. More > than 10 years ago, he wrote a book titled "The Socialism of Fools: > Anti-Semitism on the Left" on this very subject. > > David > > [...]
12022 42 18_Re: Lerner's ANSER11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:32:58 -0800645_US-ASCII on 2/13/03 8:52 AM, Elihu D. Davison at EliD@worldnet.att.net wrote:<br><br>> To follow up Jack Porter a bit, Michael Lerner is a self-aggrandizing > megalomaniac. Nonetheless, he's finally learned the unhappy truth of > the matter, that some of his "leftist friends" are in fact > anti-Semites. Investigate ANSER deeply enough and you find that they're > derivative of the old Spartacist League. Flagrantly anti-Zionist, and > arguably anti-Semitic. > Of course, it's amusing that Lerner has been ousted by them. He himself > is remarkably intolerant of challenges to his own whacky views. His > magazine Tikkun avoids publishing [...]
12065 47 18_Re: Lerner's ANSER12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:59:13 -0500351_us-ascii The fact of the matter is that you are 100% right and also 100% wrong.<br><br>Michael Lerner was excluded because he criticized ANSWER, *but* the reason he criticized ANSWER is because they appear to sanction antisemitism. So, is he being excluded because he wouldn't "play by the rules" or is he being excluded because of antisemitism. [...]
12113 24 55_Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:37:18 EST638_US-ASCII <br><br>In a message dated 2/13/03 2:48:52 PM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:<br><br><< Hussein is not Hitler. >><br><br>Well, ask the Kurds....we all have to start somewhere...s<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration http://www.MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12138 21 19_meetnet.org/ a site11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:22:36 -0600557_us-ascii Here is yet another site on the Middle East situation.<br><br>http://www.meetnet.org/<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration http://www.MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12160 91 44_Re: Lerner's /another perspective altogether16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:25:29 -0800401_iso-8859-1 I thought you might all like to see what Rabbi David Cooper of Kehilla Community Synagogue in Berkeley has to say about the Michael Lerner controversy.<br><br>" There are several speakers there from the Jewish community, most notably Rabbi Stephen Pearce, head rabbi at Temple Emanuel. (Really? Yes.) Other speakers include Rabbi Pamela, myself and an Israeli Refusenik, among others. [...]
12252 155 44_Re: Lerner's /another perspective altogether11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:58:55 -0800608_ISO-8859-1 on 2/13/03 8:25 PM, Linda Hirschhorn at vocolot@mindspring.com wrote:<br><br>> I thought you might all like to see what Rabbi David Cooper of Kehilla > Community > Synagogue in Berkeley has to say about the Michael Lerner controversy. > > " There are several speakers there from the Jewish community, most notably > Rabbi Stephen Pearce, head rabbi at Temple Emanuel. (Really? Yes.) Other > speakers include Rabbi Pamela, myself and an Israeli Refusenik, among > others. > > I know that many of you have heard that there is controversy about Rabbi > Michael Lerner not speaking. Some reports [...]
12408 287 31_Re: Join the Alumni association11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:35:38 -0800644_ISO-8859-1 on 1/23/03 10:07 AM, Omri Kelmer at shaliach@habonimdror.org wrote:<br><br><br><br><br><br>To all Bogrei Machom Lemadrichei Chul:<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>2003­01­12<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Are you a graduate of the Machon L'madrichim ?<br><br><br><br><br><br>The Institute for Jewish Leaders from Abroad was established in 1946 and has trained more then 11,000 students from all over the world since its establishment .<br><br><br><br><br><br>If you are part of this great educational institute, and if you still have great memories from your time at the Machon , join us . [...]
12696 85 12_RE: [ANSWER]12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:45:22 +0200584_us-ascii Steve Please enter me in your "we're in this together column." I believe that although Bush's motives are tainted and that some of those around him are bad people, that you wage war against the greatest evil first.<br><br>Amnon<br><br>I'm curious to know how many of our Habonet people are against neutralising Mr. Hussein. Is it a fringe? A load? What about outside Habonet? How big is this thing? I remember reading about such a movement in World War II (against Hitler). There were pacifists then, also, against war at any cost. I'm glad they were only a fringe, and [...]
12782 21 13_Re: [ANSWER]:12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:59:19 +0200541_us-ascii Jonathan, Your reasoned analysis is a treat. May your "tribe" increase. Amnon<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>MyJewishLearning.com, The Personal Gateway to Jewish Exploration http://www.MyJewishLearning.com/index.htm?source=shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
12804 85 16_Rivka Blumenfeld14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:20:02 +0200465_iso-8859-1 Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings. Rivka (Rita Goldmintz) Blumenfeld of Kibbutz Urim (formerly of Toronto), passed away yesterday after a long illness. She died at home, which is how she wanted it. She spent her last few months at home surrounded by her children and many of her grandchildren. Rivka touched many of our lives and will be missed by family, friends and "adoptees," many of whom have stayed in touch with her throughout the years. [...]
12890 2702 19_FW: Awesome Picture11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:19:50 -0800614_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 9:50 PM To: Odis and Nita Richardson; Sherry and Angela Roby Rigaud; Yolanda Brown; Madelon Graham; Eitay; Debra Aime; Peter Van Ark; Bill Ronayne; Shira Nahari; Peggy Felice; Richard and Sherry Jeffries; Jean Binnion; Steve and Monica Huss; Esta Dilley; A.J. Fedor; Glenn Petty; Marlene and Max Gasser; Lynn Johnson; Geoff and Linda Remes; Ernest Brown; Rosemary Harold; Randy and Gloria Adams; Evan and Julie Rossio; Donna Pulliam; Dorothy Shapely Subject: Fw: Awesome Picture [...]
15593 224 52_FW: Rally TOMORROW Friday Feb 14, to protest Belgium11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:42:38 -0800651_US-ASCII Rally TOMORROW Friday Feb 14, to protest Belgium -----Original Message----- From: Nava [mailto:nava@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:18 PM To: Active4 Israel Subject: Rally TOMORROW Friday Feb 14, to protest Belgium<br><br><br><br>Shalom Friends of Israel,<br><br>Sorry for the short notice this came to us from our friends at Stand With US, What Rally to protest Belgium behavior towards Israel. When: Tomorrow Friday Feb 14, 2003 9.45 am- until 12.00 Where: Meet at Wilshire and Fairfax 6100 Wilshire Blvd LA 90048 More details below. Please if you can not attend at least make your voice heard by sending e-mails and [...]
15818 418 66_FW: Iraqi scientist bares all, for the West to ignore at its peril11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:44:17 -0800427_iso-8859-1 FW: Iraqi scientist bares all, for the West to ignore at its peril -----Original Message----- From: Harry Gluckman [mailto:hwgluckman@zapcom.net] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:01 PM To: hwgluckman@zapcom.net Subject: Fw: Iraqi scientist bares all, for the West to ignore at its peril<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br><br>From: David Meir-Levi<br><br>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:51 PM [...]
16237 68 77_RE: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:11:19 -0800575_US-ASCII Don<br><br>I am 100% behind your response, and I hope enough people of good will are also. I went to the website to find many names that I once idolised. I guess the lesson is, we are all only ordinary humans, capable of taking stacks of facts, and using them to bolster our own previously-formulated opinions. Once again, it doesn't make them (or us) bad people. It is demoralising, though, to think that having been given, over and over, the warning signs and the lessons of much-too-recent history, that people could still believe that all you need to do to [...]
16306 22 70_Re: FW: Iraqi scientist bares all, for the West to ignore at its peril0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:05:00 EST693_US-ASCII Thanks Steve for your articles--I always know they will be strong-minded---interesting and controversial....sue<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
16329 161 55_RE: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:15:06 -0800763_US-ASCII Richard<br><br>Well taken.<br><br>Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Richardrdsmith@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:03 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner<br><br><br><br>In a message dated 2/13/03 12:23:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:<br><br><br><br><br><br>I remember reading about such a movement in World War II (against Hitler). There were pacifists then, also, against war at any cost. I'm glad they were only a fringe, and not enough to hold America back from doing what was right (although I suppose, in some circles, that could still be up for debate). I am glad [...]
16491 54 20_RE: news from Israel11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:26:37 -0800429_US-ASCII Lest there be any misunderstandings:<br><br>It is Gluckman, not Glickman.<br><br>No one pays for Harry sending stuff along. However, it is good to finally know where it all comes from.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Steve<br><br>ps Having had a while to read these articles (which seem objective enough) what about the idea of having the consulate just put Habonet on their mailing list? Could there be an objection to that? [...]
16546 418 32_FW: Why France Does What It Does11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:32:32 -0800805_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Harry Gluckman [mailto:hwgluckman@zapcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:28 PM To: hwgluckman@zapcom.net Subject: Fw: Why France Does What It Does<br><br><br><br><br><br>French interests vs. US values,By URI DAN Feb. 12, 2003<br><br><br><br><br><br>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----<br><br>Everything Israel ever suffered from French governments that lined themselves up with the Arabs is now being experienced by the US in its justified campaign against Iraq. Those familiar with Paris's hostile attitude to Israel in times of crisis will be unsurprised by its current attempt to break ranks with the free world, which wishes to disarm the Muslim-fascist regime in Baghdad of its arsenal [...]
16965 29 20_RE: news from Israel12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:41:08 -0500 (EST)523_us-ascii Steve Klein <kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com> asked:<br><br>>>> what about the idea of having the consulate just put Habonet on their mailing list? Could there be an objection to that? <<<<br><br>I would object, just as I object when list-members forward overly long treatises and massive attachments (not that I'm pointing any fingers).<br><br>I joined Habonet to participate in an on-line discussion with other Habonim alumni. There are countless sources of on-line news, please don't turn Habonet into another. [...]
16995 41 25_Re: Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:33:31 -0500474_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>Steve Klein wrote:<br><br>> Is there anyone out there who knows what is going on with the trial of Ed > Rosenthal?! I only heard bits and pieces while driving home last night, > Feb. 5. The little I understood was that a federal court in San Francisco > had brought a verdict against one Ed Rosenthal for "conspiracy to distribute > drugs", and that sentencing was to take place today or soon. MAXIMUM > SENTENCE ON THIS VIOLATION IS 85 YEARS. [...]
17037 93 11_FW: Lessons11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:46:21 -0800461_windows-1255 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:06 PM To: Stephen and Monica Huss; Chuck and Marilyn Caplan; Elly Krapek; Doug and Renee Goldenberg-Schwartz; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw: Don't miss this one<br><br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: Shira Nahari To: Marcia Plager Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 3:50 PM Subject: Don't miss this one [...]
17131 80 24_RE: Trial of Steve Klein11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:58:10 -0800343_US-ASCII Dear Noam<br><br>It sounds like you had a TERRIBLE vacation. You sound all wound up!<br><br>I am sorry. Next time, perhaps you could choose a more relaxing atmosphere.<br><br>And, by the way, you've convinced me that I was wrong about "Temple of Love". You certainly sound like you need it at the moment. I rescind my objection. [...]
17212 42 77_Re: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:02:17 -0500 (EST)349_us-ascii Steve,<br><br>As I wrote yesterday, I think that Saddam Hussein is a dangerous man, but I'm not convinced that an invasion of Iraq is the right way to deal with him.<br><br>You (and others) may look at Hussein and see Hitler. In your minds, the only way to deal with another Hitler is to "nip him in the bud" and attack pre-emptively. [...]
17255 89 77_RE: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:18:10 -0800638_US-ASCII Dear David<br><br>A small correction. Khaddafi was not stopped until the precise moment when the U.S. dropped a bomb on his step-daughter and shocked Khaddafi into sanity and submission.<br><br>Steve<br><br>PS I have to go to work. Please don't interpret lack of immediate responsiveness as anything but temporary unavailability.<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of David Fleiss Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:02 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner) [...]
17345 149 25_Re: Trial of Ed Rosenthal11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:28:40 -0600487_ISO-8859-1 <br><br>Here is an article from the latest Forward.<br><br>Marijuana Mitzvah? Support Growing for 'Guru of Ganja' By Josh Richman Forward Correspondent OAKLAND, Calif. — To the federal government, Ed Rosenthal is simply a drug pusher, an enemy combatant in the war on drugs.<br><br>To folks like Jane Marcus, however, the Bronx-born Rosenthal is a hero — a Jewish hero, in fact, whose cultivation of marijuana for medicinal purposes qualifies as a life-saving "mitzvah." [...]
17495 23 24_Re: FW: Lessons-to steve0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:48:39 EST449_US-ASCII Steve- I couldn't open this at work- ( we use macs and it goes to AOL proxy and takes hours!)---Coulkd you send this to me at my work address: sliberman@blazergrp.com- Thanks----<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
17519 49 24_Re: Trial of Steve Klein11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:55:15 -0500492_us-ascii Steve Klein wrote:<br><br>> Dear Noam > > It sounds like you had a TERRIBLE vacation. You sound all wound up! > > I am sorry. Next time, perhaps you could choose a more relaxing atmosphere. > > And, by the way, you've convinced me that I was wrong about "Temple of > Love". You certainly sound like you need it at the moment. I rescind my > objection. > > Always glad to help. > > And glad to be your bud, > > Steve > > PS Please allow my vote in favor of not using Habonet for [...]
17569 68 24_Re: Trial of Steve Klein0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:02:25 EST424_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/14/03 3:57:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, nstopak@orionsci.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> I'm afraid you may consider this petty sniping, but I still don't understand > what Ed Rosenthal has to do with anything related to Habonim or Labor > Zionism. Can you clarify? ><br><br>May I answer? The first time I smoked pot was at a Habonim function. I'm willing to bet that is true for many of us. [...]
17638 29 77_Re: Saddam Hussein (Was: [ANSWER]: Four Coalitions Respond to Michael Lerner)12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:35:09 -0500 (EST)483_us-ascii Steve Klein <kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com> wrote:<br><br>>>> Khaddafi was not stopped until the precise moment when the U.S. dropped a bomb on his step-daughter and shocked Khaddafi into sanity and submission. <<<<br><br>Which is precisely my point!<br><br>The United States has *not* exhausted all possible means of "shocking [Hussein] into sanity and submission." Until *all* other avenues have been exhausted, I will continue to oppose a pre-emptive war against Iraq. [...]
17668 32 24_Re: Trial of Steve Klein0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com31_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:38:36 -0500516_iso-8859-1 Richie,<br><br>You always start out ok and then just go too far for me (your conservative friend). I mean, rap music? no way.<br><br>--coop<br><br>> At the same time I would like to take this opportunity to > say what a load of crap the whole medical marijuana issue > is. Marijuana should be legal because in a free country > people should be allowed to smoke marijuana and tobacco, > drink alcohol, eat meat and even listen to rap music simply > because that is what it means to be a free country. [...]
17701 80 24_Re: Trial of Steve Klein0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:14:04 EST291_US-ASCII Noam said to someone in California<br><br>> I'd vote to request that people limit themselves to an average of one > forwarded message per day. I hope you don't feel I'm trying to cramp your > style or limit your ability to express your ideas in this forum. ><br><br>And I say: [...]
17782 162 19_Blackballing Lerner16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 00:58:10 -0500519_iso-8859-1 Following is JJ Goldberg's view of the Michael Lerner imbroglio. I think JJ's got much of it right. Lerner is a megalomaniac. At the same time, both Lerner and Anser, the organization he excoriates, are intolerant of criticism and dissent. As JJ correctly observes about Anser, it is a group whose "determination to squash dissent is entirely in keeping with its totalitareian tradittions and values. What's disappointing is the willingness of other groups on the left to keep such wretched company..." [...]
17945 61 37_Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:56:47 EST454_US-ASCII Shabbat Shalom:<br><br>I thought Habonetters might be interested in the website for the Steven Spielberg Jewish Film Archives. A local Rabbi told me about it. There are documentary clips on the site - One called "A State is Born" has Aubrey Eban reading the declaration of independence. Another is about the Jabotinsky Aviation School in Rockaway New York. There are over 100 clips. reminds me of stuff we saw in Hebrew School in my youth. [...]
18007 89 41_Re: Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!8_molieric25_molieric@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:30:49 +0200673_iso-8859-1 Dear Ken,<br><br>Thank you so much for sending us this fantastic web site. I've already put it on our bookmarks.<br><br>Mollie Marx ----- Original Message ----- From: KBob24@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!<br><br><br><br>Shabbat Shalom:<br><br>I thought Habonetters might be interested in the website for the Steven Spielberg Jewish Film Archives. A local Rabbi told me about it. There are documentary clips on the site - One called "A State is Born" has Aubrey Eban reading the declaration of independence. Another is about the Jabotinsky Aviation School in Rockaway [...]
18097 184 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:18:42 -0800613_ISO-8859-1 on 2/14/03 9:58 PM, Elihu D. Davison at EliD@worldnet.att.net wrote:<br><br>> Following is JJ Goldberg's view of the Michael Lerner imbroglio. I > think JJ's got much of it right. Lerner is a megalomaniac. At the same > time, both Lerner and Anser, the organization he excoriates, are > intolerant of criticism and dissent. As JJ correctly observes about > Anser, it is a group whose "determination to squash dissent is entirely > in keeping with its totalitareian tradittions and values. What's > disappointing is the willingness of other groups on the left to keep > such wretched company..." > [...]
18282 77 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:00:36 EST351_US-ASCII Now just a darn minute. I haven't read the posting to which this is a response, but I think the title shows tremendous insensitivity. I am the Lerner I know best. Some of you like some of what I have to say here, others think I'm a poor excuse for a Habonim Alum. No objection there, but blackballing Lerner is another thing altogether. [...]
18360 76 27_The Jewish War Against Iraq0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 13:35:18 EST552_US-ASCII Dear Friends,<br><br>I listened yesterday to the UN Security Council babble about Iraq. I heard Tariq Azziz say that the US was fronting for Israel in promoting this war. Now occasionally, the world's greatest liars find it advantageous to tell the truth.<br><br>In 1981 it was Israeli intelligence that identified the Iraqi, French provided nuclear reactor as a breeder, and took it out. Do any of us suppose that Israeli intelligence is not a major component of what has the Bush folks persuaded of the need to move now against Saddam? [...]
18437 129 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:09:43 -0800427_US-ASCII on 2/15/03 10:00 AM, DLerner569@aol.com at DLerner569@aol.com wrote:<br><br>Now just a darn minute. I haven't read the posting to which this is a response, but I think the title shows tremendous insensitivity. I am the Lerner I know best. Some of you like some of what I have to say here, others think I'm a poor excuse for a Habonim Alum. No objection there, but blackballing Lerner is another thing altogether. [...]
18567 26 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:26:07 EST333_US-ASCII Jack, My posting was tongue in cheek, so it didn't have much bite. My son Michael has three beautiful young daughters lives in FL and is looking for work. No relation to Rabbi Michael Lerner. But we Lerners are a proud lot, and don't want to be lumped with the occasional obnox that shows up in a litter. ; -- ) Dennis [...]
18594 77 15_Right of Way...0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:13:14 EST557_US-ASCII I was on my way to breakfast at our local deli (Fromin's) to meet some friends; I always turn left at a certain street to avoid lights...and a few yards away, spotted the local Sephardic rabbi walking with his talit gadol to his congregation- a storefront on Ventura Blvd.- the main east-west street in the Valley. He was yards from the corner, but I stopped and watched as some congregants walked towards him with warm smiles. I waited for him to cross the street and watched as his talit swayed to the rhythm of his walk...I was glad he was [...]
18672 42 41_Re: Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:44:19 EST239_US-ASCII Shavuah Tov L'kulam, I opened this site and saw the message about the achives, but found no palce to continue on. My computer is not up to par so I don't know if I am missing something or not. Please advise. Thanks, Ellen Ginsburg
18715 41 41_Re: Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!0_16_Aborciah@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:50:09 EST160_US-ASCII I had the same problem...just bookmarked the site, hoping that I could figure it out another time. Help would be appreciated. Anita Borcia Horn<br><br>
18757 57 41_Re: Jewish Film Archive Website - cool!!!0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:07:25 EST342_US-ASCII Hi:<br><br>Glad people like this site. I think I can help those who don't see how to proceed once you get to the films<br><br>Go to the site : <A HREF="http://sites.huji.ac.il/jfa/kv/index.htm">http://sites.huji.ac.il/jfa/kv/index.htm</A><br><br>and up in the top right corner there is an arrow to click.<br><br>Good luck,<br><br>Ken
18815 5766 17_FW: un_MeadleEast11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:23:17 -0800522_windows-1255 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 10:02 PM To: Danny and Chantal Leven; Carol Nalin; Barry Szemere; Israel and Marlene Zakai; Bob and Barbara Fruitman; Eileen Kelmanson; Avravraham and Malka Czyzyk; Geoff and Linda Remes Subject: Fw: un_MeadleEast<br><br><br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: YANKELE To: îéřé ; solange ; marcia plager Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Fw: un_MeadleEast [...]
24582 25 21_Re: FW: un_MeadleEast0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:28:03 EST623_US-ASCII Steve,<br><br>What is this?<br><br>Dennis<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
24608 35 9_Hello-o-o0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:37:53 EST593_US-ASCII Hi Everyone,<br><br>Is everybody out of town? Are we all still at our march sites?<br><br>I sent you all what I thought was a fairly provocative scenario about the motivation for the US war against Saddam Hussein. Normally, someone or other is provoked (for good or ill) by anything that gets posted here. My posting has met with what I consider a deafening silence. Did I transgress an unwritten boundary? (If so I am deeply sorry.) Have all Lerners now been blackballed? Is it possible that what I consider provocative, is actually beneath deserving a response? Did I miss the [...]
24644 54 28_Fw: 104 websites about Purim7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:11:23 +0200381_iso-8859-1 <br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: mailto:Jacob <jrichman@jr.co.il Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: 104 websites about Purim<br><br><br><br>Hi Everyone!<br><br>Purim, the fun-filled Jewish holiday, falls on the 14th of the Hebrew month of Adar. This year Purim begins Monday evening March 17. (In Jerusalem it is celebrated one day later) [...]
24699 113 31_RE: The Jewish War Against Iraq11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 07:22:04 -0800588_US-ASCII Dennis<br><br>Nice try. What you describe here is a very slowly-happening scenario. It may not happen this way. I was in Israel for the Gulf War. We were on full XXXXXXX alert. The whole time. There were two criteria that would have had us break our promise to stay sitting on our hands. 1) That no gas (or similar were used against us) and 2) that we would not sustain major civilian casualties. "Major civilian casualties' was not defined as 100,000 people. If you have intended your proposed scenario to be tongue-in-cheek, then please save me the embarrassment and tell [...]
24813 58 25_Re: Trial of Ed Rosenthal0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:08:33 EST500_US-ASCII Hey Rozzie<br><br>Leave to Rozzie to find a Labor Zionist Connection to the Ed Rosenthal trial and alert us to the Jewish connection. I do believe that it speaks a great deal to the twisted values of John Ashcroft and his ilk that this is the way he is allowing the Jusitice Department to use its resources. I do believe the discussion of this issue has a place on Habonet. I have no fowarded message to send today, but as far as I am concerned if Rozzie sent 11 I would read them all. [...]
24872 41 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 16:15:25 -0800424_US-ASCII on 2/15/03 4:26 PM, DLerner569@aol.com at DLerner569@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> Jack, > My posting was tongue in cheek, so it didn't have much bite. My son Michael > has three beautiful young daughters lives in FL and is looking for work. No > relation to Rabbi Michael Lerner. But we Lerners are a proud lot, and don't > want to be lumped with the occasional obnox that shows up in a litter. > ; -- ) Dennis > > [...]
24914 973 18_Re:Right of Way...12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:02:37 +0200454_us-ascii Sue you wrote that you spotted the local Sephardic rabbi walking with Talit gadol swaying to his walk and that you will always give him the right of way. I would not run him down but so that you can better understand where I stand, I commend A. B. Yehoshua's essay on the Generation of the State in the attachment (my Norton antivirus says it's safe.) I stand with Buli and will bet all my afikomen money that the Sephardic rabbi does not. [...]
25888 40 31_Re: The Jewish War Against Iraq0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:16:52 EST569_US-ASCII Dear Steve,<br><br>No tongue in cheek here. I think it is likely? the exchange has already taken place and the US Iraq policy is intended to prevent an Iraqi first strike of a chemical nature against Israel at a time when Iraq has Nukes, to counter the Israeli doomsday defense. I don't think this is the whole rationale. I think its seen by the Bushie's as a way of creating an Arab democracy with oil wealth and American support to take "external enemy" pressure off Israel, and provide the Arab street with a reformist model based on full civil right, [...]
25929 26 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:19:52 EST464_US-ASCII Jack,<br><br>You are just right. I have a tendency to assume that people will see my hollering as affect and not be taken in. It is not a fair assumption. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Dennis<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
25956 56 31_Re: The Jewish War Against Iraq0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:48:35 EST415_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/16/03 7:17:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, DLerner569@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> I think its seen by the Bushie's as a way of creating an Arab > democracy<br><br>I hope this is an actual possibility of a post war scenario but I doubt it. Iraq is a Mideast equivalent of Yugoslavia with various ethnic groups and religious sects that has almost no chance of making it as a democracy.
26013 49 31_Re: The Jewish War Against Iraq0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:58:47 EST223_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/16/2003 4:49:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:<br><br>> sects that has almost no chance of making it as a democracy.<br><br>...and America was once ruled by a king...s
26063 101 52_Not so simple to protest the war/ Haaretz, Feb. 16th11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:28:11 -0600510_us-ascii Not so simple to protest the war<br><br>The anti-Israel tone of current peace demonstrations raises a dilemma for American Jews.<br><br>By Nathan Guttman<br><br><br><br>Ever since the 1960s, American Jews have been an inseparable part of the protest movement against war and for peace. Although this has not always been the official position of the Jewish establishment in the United States, the Jewish presence in the protest movements far exceeded their relative weight in the U.S. population. [...]
26165 325 39_Not by bread alone/ Ha'aretz, Feb. 16th11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:29:06 -0600623_us-ascii Not by bread alone<br><br>They are demanding more than just housing: Kikar Halehem members say they want to promote a quiet revolution in Israeli society.<br><br>By Meirav Sarig<br><br>There are many placards in front of the protest tent set up by Avishai Tzur at the entrance to Sderot. "The social gap - a national tragedy," states one, "Everyone talks about peace - no one talks about justice," reproaches another. Tzur relates that he was left homeless after being evacuated from Kfar Gvirol in the northern Negev, together with nine other families. In the 1950s, Tzur's parents immigrated to Israel from [...]
26491 26 21_Re: FW: un_MeadleEast11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:07:07 -0500408_us-ascii <br><br>Hey Brian - I thought attachments were discouraged. 434k attachments should be outright banned in my opinion, as they are an unwarrented burden on those with slow connections.<br><br>Steve - if you really have to pass on images and powerpoint presentations would you consider offering them to those who want them via private email rather than sending them to all of us. Thanks so much. [...]
26518 29 23_subscription to habonet6_livney20_livney@barkai.org.il31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:12:16 +0200355_iso-8859-1 Hello out there...it has been several months and several missives since I wrote and asked to reopen my subscription to Habonet...I had been out of Israel for one month... please put me back on (if- possible-digest form.)..thank you, bot7 Livney -------------------------------- Avi and Bat7 Livney Kibbutz Barkai D.N. Menashe 37860 Israel [...]
26548 51 27_RE: subscription to habonet11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:14:51 -0800763_iso-8859-1 livney<br><br>e-mail: listproc@shamash.org<br><br>with the message: set habonet mail ack<br><br>I have no idea what that means. It just works.<br><br>Steve<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of livney Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:12 AM To: Brianscoop@aol.com; habonet@shamash.org Subject: subscription to habonet<br><br><br><br>Hello out there...it has been several months and several missives since I wrote and asked to reopen my subscription to Habonet...I had been out of Israel for one month... please put me back on (if- possible-digest form.)..thank you, bot7 Livney -------------------------------- Avi and Bat7 Livney Kibbutz Barkai D.N. Menashe 37860 Israel [...]
26600 72 21_RE: FW: un_MeadleEast11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:27:03 -0800538_US-ASCII Dear Noam<br><br>Sorry for the burden. It seems a shame to me for people not to have the choice. For those that do not open attachments, I would say: continue not to, if you desire. For those that have slow computers, I would say: don't open large attachments. For you, I would say: use the delete button whenever you see my name. Just go right on to the next message. It's easy and quick. I figure the time it takes for the human brain to register, and for the responding click, and for the screen to move onward, all take [...]
26673 278 87_FW: 30 sec. action- sign petition -urge European Parliament toinvestigate funding of PA11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:14:52 -0800625_iso-8859-1 30 sec. action- sign petition -urge European Parliament to investigate funding of PAThis doesn't count as a forward. -----Original Message----- From: Nava [mailto:nava@socal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:44 AM To: Active4 Israel Subject: 30 sec. action- sign petition -urge European Parliament toinvestigate funding of PA<br><br><br><br><br><br>Friends of Israel shalom,<br><br>This came from the Simon Wiesenthal Center: ============================================================================ ========= Click here to sign the petition. http://www.wiesenthal.com/mailings_swc/swc_feb15.html [...]
26952 24 37_A musical Tribute to Ilan Ramon (z"l)11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:34:47 -0600527_us-ascii http://homepage.mac.com/israeli_folk_dances/iMovieTheater125.html<br><br>This is an Ilan Ramon Tribute A montage of pictures and video clips in memory of Israel's first astronaut, set to music danced to in Israeli Folk Dance. A fast connection is an asset.<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
26977 74 27_Re: subscription to habonet0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:46:34 EST336_US-ASCII > set habonet mail ack<br><br>> I have no idea what that means. It just works.<br><br>That's correct. ACK means "acknowledge" which basically means you get a copy of your own postings -- you could use "noack" and you would not get your own, but would continue to get all others. For the daily digest version, use "DIGEST" [...]
27052 64 21_Re: FW: un_MeadleEast0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:49:24 EST323_US-ASCII Attachments, in principle, are NOT ALLOWED in Habonet. If you search the archives I have said this over and over. I am simply tired of repeating it! They are NOT ALLOWED. Eventually we will have the capability to remove them, and I will implement that. Until then please respect that, and send a URL instead. [...]
27117 36 23_Re: Spielberg Film Site0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:51:18 EST398_US-ASCII Yes, I have been on this site many times and communicated with the archive while looking for a film featuring the Habonim Chava at Colton, California around 1950. The site has recently added their clips, but they are quite active in finding, archiving and restoring Jewish-themed film. The archives of many major institutions around the world have donated their archives to this one. [...]
27154 69 44_Re: A letter to the Philadelphia Daily News.0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:55:12 EST405_US-ASCII Folks:<br><br>On a snowy day in NY I am catching up on Habonet, reading the posts that I have saved to look at when I get a chance. Sam, thanks for posting the article - Nancy and I read it and were both in tears. Our 18 year old is choosing between colleges rather than getting ready for the army, due to our decision to leave Israel 12 years ago. As Phil Ochs sang "There but Fortune...." [...]
27224 81 31_RE: The Jewish War Against Iraq11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:23:30 -0800565_US-ASCII Dennis<br><br>No matter what Bush's intentions really are, in my mind he is doing the right thing. By this time, it really doesn't matter, does it? Hussein needs to be stopped, and no one in the sane (read: non-muslim, for the sake of this argument)world disagrees. Even those wh_res in the Euronetwork that stand to lose bundles of euros on their Iraqi nuclear investments wouldn't mind losing Saddam as long as they can continue making money off Iraq. No one wants war as a first or second option. No one wanted war in 1940. No one wants it now. As [...]
27306 83 31_Re: The Jewish War Against Iraq0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 20:46:53 EST498_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/17/03 7:38:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> I am glad that we've got > someone that had the temerity to buck the tide<br><br>I actually tend to lean to the pro-war faction, but this is the second time someone has praised Bush's balls for doing what he's doing. It takes very little nerve, or balls, or temerity to send someone else out to kill other people. Mafia bosses do it all the time. So does Saddam Hussein. [...]
27390 124 16_Email techniques0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:51:20 EST690_US-ASCII <br><br>Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 22:07:07 -0500 From: Noam Stopak <nstopak@orionsci.com> To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: FW: un_MeadleEast<br><br><br><br>Hey Brian - I thought attachments were discouraged. 434k attachments should be outright banned in my opinion, as they are an unwarranted burden on those with slow connections. ===============================================================<br><br>Chevre, shalom<br><br>Not to mention that those of us who receive Habonet as a daily digest (like me) simply do not get any of the attachments sent with the individual postings. While this would seem often to be a good thing, I don't want to miss out on worthwhile stuff. [...]
27515 26 31_Re: The Jewish War Against Iraq0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:57:18 EST736_US-ASCII Richard,<br><br>A pipe dream is a direct reference to the effects of opium smoking. Does that mean you are really talking about Afghanistan?<br><br>Dennis<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
27542 1419 20_AlterNet: Rabbi Rift16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:42:13 -0500335_us-ascii Here's another take, with a bit more perspective perhaps, on Michael Lerner. My sense of the matter is that he was never being considered by the SF rally's organizers. Then he inserted himself into the fray by insisting that he'd been blackballed. You gotta give the guy credit: it's a brilliant piece of self-promotion. [...]
28962 614 24_Re: AlterNet: Rabbi Rift11_Jack Porter23_jacknusan@earthlink.net31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:45:28 -0800413_ISO-8859-1 on 2/18/03 6:42 AM, Elihu D. Davison at EliD@worldnet.att.net wrote:<br><br>Here's another take, with a bit more perspective perhaps, on Michael Lerner. My sense of the matter is that he was never being considered by the SF rally's organizers. Then he inserted himself into the fray by insisting that he'd been blackballed. You gotta give the guy credit: it's a brilliant piece of self-promotion. [...]
29577 33 11_re: Vocolot16_Linda Hirschhorn22_vocolot@mindspring.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:55:41 -0800587_us-ascii Just to let you all know that my women's a cappella group , Vocolot, will be in Vancouver at the Chutzpah festival on Saturday night March 1st, in Atlanta Georgia at the Marcus J.C.C. on Saturday night March 8th<br><br>and in Columbia Maryland for the Jewish Federation of Howard County on Sunday night March 9th. In addition I will be doing a workshop in Rockville Maryland for David Shneyer's community Am Kolel on Sunday morning March 9th. Hope to see some of you there- Linda Hirschhorn (Urim- 15th workshop 1965- Machaneh Galil and Machaneh Bonim in the years before) [...]
29611 80 21_Re: FW: un_MeadleEast11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:08:32 -0500420_us-ascii Actually it is not possible for me to avoid downloading your attachments. Nor is it possible for anyone who happens to receive habonet in digest form to either delete your messages or avoid scrolling through a very long blob of gibberish when someone sends an attachment. I had thought that perhaps you would just possibly respond positively to a request for consideration, but I should have known better. [...]
29692 46 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:09:47 -0500500_us-ascii DLerner569@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> Now just a darn minute. I haven't read the posting to which this is a response, but I think the title shows tremendous insensitivity.<br><br>I think responding without reading that to which you respond is a tad insensitive too, don't you?<br><br>> I am the Lerner I know best. Some of you like some of what I have to say here, others think I'm a poor excuse for a Habonim Alum. No objection there, but blackballing Lerner is another thing altogether. [...]
29739 33 23_Re: Blackballing Lerner11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:08:51 -0500572_us-ascii <br><br>DLerner569@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> My son Michael has three beautiful young daughters lives in FL and is looking for work.<br><br>Dennis,<br><br>Seems like he'd be looking for a more steady gig than speaking at peace rallies, or at least looking closer to home? :-)<br><br>Noam<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
29773 104 43_Re: Not by bread alone/ Ha'aretz, Feb. 16th13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:00:32 -0500294_us-ascii Dear Chaverim,<br><br>I have been planning to share some insights from my recent visit to Israel, (one highlight of which was meeting Amnon and Rifka in the flesh!) This email by Roz brought to mind the most most disturbing scene I saw, one I have been meaning to share with you. [...]
29878 211 66_Re: Rome Mayor Refuses to meet with Aziz After Anti-Israel Comment0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:16:52 EST677_ISO-8859-1 Travel to Rome, anyone?<br><br>Chaver Steve ==================================================== In a message dated 2/18/03 1:44:20 PM, BS@jcrcphila.org writes:<br><br><br><br>> Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Philadelphia > 2100 Arch Street, Philadelphia, PA 19103 > Phone: 215-832-0650 Fax: 215-440-7680 > e mail: info@jcrcphila.org > > To: JCRC Hasbara List > From: Burt Siegel > Date: February 18, 2003 > Re: Rome Mayor Refuses to meet with Aziz After Anti-Israel > Comment > > It is nice to see that at least some European politicians haven't lost > their moral compass. > > > Rome Mayor Snubs Aziz After Anti-Israel Comment > February 16th, [...]
30090 51 29_Attachments and email clients14_Paul Fingerman29_paul.fingerman@mindspring.com31_Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:10:24 -0800589_us-ascii First, I have no position on whether attachments should be banned on Habonet or not. I practice "safe computing" -- trust no one, scan everything, and run a firewall at all times. However, I felt it might be helpful to respond to the specific comment below. Most (all that I have encountered, but not necessarily all) email programs have an option to either limit the size of any message (body plus attachments) that is retrieved, or to specifically limit the size of any attachment that is retrieved (body of the message is unencumbred). For example, I use the Eudora email [...]
30142 53 33_Re: Attachments and email clients0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:08:45 EST365_US-ASCII Yes, those are good, if limited suggestions. But best still, is for all subscribers to habonet to respect the guidelines. No attachments, please.<br><br>--Brian<br><br>> First, I have no position on whether attachments should be banned on > Habonet or not. I practice "safe computing" -- trust no one, scan > everything, and run a firewall at all times ...
30196 138 43_Re: Not by bread alone/ Ha'aretz, Feb. 16th13_Joel Winograd15_mail@jelaco.com31_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:42:24 -0600552_US-ASCII Hi Judy,<br><br>What you saw is shocking, all-too-widespread and mostly invisble or easily ignored. Like the teacher you met, there is another grass roots organization working with the kind of poverty you saw; Pitchon Lev, headquartered in Rishon. They provide material support to all comers; i.e. non-Jews also. A major part of their program is to put/keep the reduction of poverty on the national agenda. They also provide training to help in breaking out of poverty. You can find more info about them at: http://www.pitchonlev.org.il/ [...]
30335 98 17_For Joel and Judy0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com31_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:27:11 -050019_iso-8859-1 <br><br>
30434 47 24_Nostalgia reigns supreme0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com31_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:35:06 -0500509_iso-8859-1 I wrote this at work one day- don't know why- but I want to share it...sue ` DREAMS<br><br>At 17, I sat on the hill and watched the sun Set into the Mediterranean "In those days" life was a rush of hormones and adrenalin And in the cool evening thick with Galilee air The lights of distant settlements twinkled along with your eyes Dreams were easy then… Innocent dreams of brotherhood, of homeland, of salty surfs Caressing the stones of ancient dwellings we walked in, Getting our feet wet… [...]
30482 132 43_Re: Not by bread alone/ Ha'aretz, Feb. 16th7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:55:14 +0200590_iso-8859-1 judy, shalom, Please send me the contact numbers for the moadon in Beth Shemesh. I can help with this, as I work in the area. There are caterers who can be contacted to give left-over food from simchas there, and there is a group called l'ma'an echai that helps in such situations. There are many organizations that distribute food to the needy, like Ezer M'Zion or Yad Eliezer, which can be contacted to distribute in that area. I can attest that Arabs also benefit from NGO's -- for instance, Yad Sarah distributes medical supplies free to everyone, Arabs, foreigners and [...]
30615 188 17_"Virtual tourism"11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:01:45 -0600446_us-ascii We personally know of many stores in Israel which have closed for lack of business. The article below describes a very touching idea, called "virtual tourism". Anyone planning a trip to Israel can do it - just take some virtual friends along.<br><br><br><br>If you don't know of anyone planning a trip to Israel but you want to become a "virtual tourist", Mike Levine has experience and can be contacted at: ekimenivel@yahoo.com M. [...]
30804 57 31_The Tide of Madness/ WSJ online11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:59:58 -0600400_us-ascii IN MEMORIUM<br><br>The Tide of Madness The world must stand against the evil that took my son's life.<br><br>BY JUDEA PEARL Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:01 a.m. EST<br><br>Tomorrow will mark the first anniversary of the day the world learned of the murder of my son Daniel Pearl, a reporter for this newspaper. It is time to step back and reflect on the significance of this tragedy. [...]
30862 131 66_A Marijuana Crusader Defends His healing Mission/ Forward ,Feb. 2011_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:39:11 -0600391_ISO-8859-1 <br><br>A Marijuana Crusader Defends His Healing Mission By ED ROSENTHAL There is no doubt among knowledgeable physicians and researchers that marijuana is a medicine. It has proven anti-spasmodic, analgesic and anti-nausea properties, and has an incredible safety record. There are no recorded deaths from its use and overindulgence results in drowsiness and a sound sleep. [...]
30994 331 39_FW: FYI- ACU Position on Muslims in USA11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:14:28 -0800481_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Search4news@aol.com [mailto:Search4news@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 4:21 AM To: Search4news@aol.com Subject: FYI- ACU Position on Muslims in USA<br><br><br><br><br><br>FYI - know the stance of the American Conservative Union (ACU) on muslims<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>The Hill Wednesday, February 19, 2003<br><br>The Right View By David Keene<br><br>Muslim extremists seeking to foster one Islamic world [...]
31326 39 29_Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:46:51 EST432_US-ASCII Last night C Span 2 carried a 2-16-03 conference of the Christian Coalition on the Middle East. Most of the speakers were Christian Arabs. The content was dramatically pro-Israel. Speakers included Daniel Pipes, and Joseph Farah (Worldnetdaily.com). Some of it was also the kind of wacko stuff you'd expect, "everytime someone tries to compromise Israel's covenant right, there is a natural disaster within 24 hours." [...]
31366 27 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:47:02 -0500477_us-ascii The birth rates are extraordinary. Influx from other Arab countries? Why would any individual person leave Kuwait/Egypt/Iraq to go permanently live in a horrible slum?<br><br>Judy Gelman<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
31394 31 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:02:43 -0500 (EST)395_us-ascii Judy Gelman <gelman@erols.com> asked:<br><br>>>> Influx from other Arab countries? Why would any individual person leave Kuwait/Egypt/Iraq to go permanently live in a horrible slum? <<<<br><br>I have heard this "story" many times in the past year or two, and I believe it is the latest right-wing (Jewish and Christian) explanation for why there is no such thing as a Palestinian. [...]
31426 38 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:51:51 EST187_US-ASCII Judy- not everyone in Kuwait, Qatar, Egypt, is (was ) a rich western-oriented Arab. Perhaps families got together, who knows- but I also heard about that "somewhere in time"- sue
31465 23 24_Chava at Colton question0_15_RONOREN@aol.com31_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:07:54 -0500472_iso-8859-1 I'm trying to find out info about a film shot at the Colton, CA chava in 1949. Does anyone know names of people who were there that year who may be able to help? Thanks much!<br><br>Ron Orenstein<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
31489 30 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:24:05 EST541_US-ASCII Judy,<br><br>It appears (from Arab sources used by the UN) that 726,000 refugees in 1949 (including 200,000 in Israel and 1.4 M in Gaza and the West Bank) grew by 1998 into 4.9M. Quite a growth rate indeed. The explanation I have heard from Jewish sources and now from Christian Arab sources is that the relatively open economic engine in Israel and Arab worker access attracted Arabs from many oppressive regimes in the middle east. Incidentally, the UN statistics cite the US as home for 173,000 palestinian refugees. Dennis [...]
31520 39 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 15:38:58 EST648_US-ASCII David,<br><br>I can't vouch for the statistics used but, Labeeb Mikhail (sp) one of the speakers at the CC function referenced a 1906 travel guide (I've heard this reference before) that references Ottoman data citing a Jerusalem population of 60,000 composed of 40,000 Jews, 13,000 Christians, and 7,000 Muslims. He cited these numbers in support of statement to the effect that Jewish presence has been continuous and prominent in Jerusalem, and that Jerusalem (unmentioned in the Quoran) is without religious importance to Islam. He noted further that Mohammed never went there. This seems questionable in light of an early prayer [...]
31560 31 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:15:00 -0500 (EST)494_us-ascii Thanks for the information Dennis. I wasn't aware of the Ottoman census data or the number of post-1967 Arab settlements.<br><br>Still, I can't help but wonder why these facts (if they *are* facts) are suddenly being pushed by right-wing Jewish and Christian groups. Is it a coincidence that these facts are often cited by proponents of "transfer"? As I mentioned, they (i.e., the right wing) are trying to legitimize their viewpoint that there is no such thing as a Palestinian. [...]
31592 27 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:20:26 -0500 (EST)369_us-ascii >>> It appears (from Arab sources used by the UN) that 726,000 refugees in 1949 (including 200,000 in Israel and 1.4 M in Gaza and the West Bank) grew by 1998 into 4.9M. Quite a growth rate indeed. <<<<br><br>Now maybe it's because I was a math major in college, but I can't add 200,000 and 1.4 million and get 726,000. Maybe my calculator is broken <g>. [...]
31620 32 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:38:34 EST361_US-ASCII David,<br><br>Thank you for catching my mistake. 726,000 Arab refugees 1949. 4,942,121 Arab refugees, 1998. The 1998 figure includes: 200k in Israel, 766k Gaza, 653k West Bank, 1,741k Jordan, 408k Lebanon, 445k Syria, 40k Egypt, 275k Saudi Arabia, 34k Kuwait, 105k other gulf countries, 74k Iraq and Libya, 5k other Arab, 173k US, and 220k other. [...]
31653 45 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:15:41 -0500420_us-ascii Dear Friends,<br><br>David Fleiss wrote:<br><br>> Finally, with respect to Mohammed and Jerusalem, while Mohammed never visited the city during his life, it is said that he stopped there (on the Temple Mount, to be specific) on his trip to heaven. Is it true? I don't know.<br><br>Just for the record: Mohammed took this spiritual/astral journey to the Temple Mount and then to heaven during his lifetime. [...]
31699 61 20_Re: Rivka Blumenfeld0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:14:48 EST334_US-ASCII Carmi,<br><br>Things have been absolutely insane here and I just realized I neither wrote nor called. Please once again, pass on my sincerest condolences to Miriam and family on the loss of their Mother Rivka. Please let Miriam know that I will call when she is back. Do you know her plans? When will she be back in NJ? [...]
31761 72 20_Re: Rivka Blumenfeld0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:17:05 EST515_US-ASCII Oops. Of course that was meant for the Holzters. Anyway, Shabbat Shalom, Brian<br><br>In a message dated 2/21/03 7:15:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brianscoop@aol.com writes:<br><br>> Things have been absolutely insane here and I just realized I neither wrote > nor called. Please once again, pass on my sincerest condolences to Miriam > and family on the loss of their Mother Rivka. Please let Miriam know that I > will call when she is back. Do you know her plans? When will she be back in > NJ? > > [...]
31834 83 40_Jews, Arabs, Numbers and religious myths27_Maxene and Frank Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:27:32 +0200603_US-ASCII Re: The number of Arab refugees<br><br>According to the UN a person became a refugee in the 1948 war if he/she had been displaced from a residence that they had been occupying for two years or more. There were several thousand Jewish refugees from that war who were resettled by Israel. In addition about 50,000 Arab refugees who were in areas under Israeli control were also resettled in Israel after the war. In the decade after the war approximately an additional 50,000 Arab refugees were settled in Israel through family reunion schemes. None of these are usually subtracted from the [...]
31918 97 33_RE: Cspan and Christian Coalition11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:00:09 -0800465_US-ASCII Judy<br><br>The kicker to all this is that if you ask any Orthodox Jew, Shabat is above all those mentioned, including Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur.<br><br>Steve<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Judith Gelman Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:16 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition<br><br><br><br>Dear Friends,<br><br>David Fleiss wrote: [...]
32016 34 43_Re: FW: FYI- ACU Position on Muslims in USA11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:00:34 -0500611_us-ascii Hi,<br><br>David Keene states that Wahhabism has "been responsible, in fact, for the slaughter of literally millions of their fellow Muslims in their drive to remake one of the world's major religions in their own image."<br><br>Can anyone point me to where this slaughter of millions has taken place?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Noam<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
32051 58 16_Millions of dead27_Maxene and Frank Perlmutter24_habesor@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:45:51 +0200596_us-ascii Noam:<br><br>I think that millions of dead is an exageration of the situation but like many other extremist movements Wahhabbism can claim many tens of thousands of dead to its credit.<br><br>Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, the founder of the movement, was born in Arabia around 1720. He was convinced that Islam had become corrupt and he founded his movement in order to bring about religious reforms. He was a fundamentalist in the classic sense of that term. He believed that any practice which deviated in the slightest way from the words of the Koran and the Sunne (the laws based [...]
32110 40 20_Re: Millions of dead11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:49:47 -0500543_us-ascii <br><br><br><br>Maxene and Frank Perlmutter wrote:<br><br>> Noam: > > I think that millions of dead is an exageration of the situation but like > many other extremist movements Wahhabbism can claim many tens of thousands > of dead to its credit.<br><br>Thank you for the additional information Efraim.<br><br>I didn't mean to imply that the Wahhabis are folks I want living next door, merely that exaggeration only serves to detract from important arguments about this sect and it's dangerous influence within the Islamic world. [...]
32151 34 33_Re: Cspan and Christian Coalition0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:58:07 EST561_US-ASCII Judy, Wonderful story. On the subject of Jerusalem's significance to Muslims. I understand that the construction of the Dome of the Rock took place under the Ottomans, I think Suliman. There is no question that it has become much more important to them over the last 50 years. Much the same perhaps as the importance of Chanukah has grown for America's secular Jews. At some point (often in the mists of the long past) a lie or a mistake becomes the same as the truth (maybe even stronger). this is not a fate I desire for Jerusalem. Note the lie [...]
32186 280 15_Fwd: population0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:02:13 EST17_US-ASCII <br><br>
32467 51 20_Re: Millions of dead13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:16:20 -0500294_us-ascii Dear Noam,<br><br>Due to the presence of numerous Saudi royalty living here for the embassy, DC is one of the most active centers of Wahhabbism in the US, so you could well end up living next door to one but it would be more likely if you lived in a mansion in Potomac or McLean. [...]
32519 69 26_Re: the wahhabis next door11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:38:24 -0500589_us-ascii Dear Judy,<br><br>Didn't say that I thought it wasn't possible, just not desirable. Of course, as you point out, I'm not likely to live in one of the neighborhoods they favor around here. I think I'll have to settle for the Hari Kirshnas next door.<br><br>I agree with the thrust of the original article, that Wahhabism (shouldn't there be two i's?) is a source of much of the dangerous fanaticism coming out of Islam and further that the Saudis have funded the spread of this danger throughout the world through their funding of schools and mosques which spread the Wahhabi [...]
32589 60 37_question about Jeff's population data11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:11:02 -0500412_us-ascii <br><br>Thanks once again to Jeff Abel for injecting useful facts and scholarship into the discussion.<br><br>One small question regarding the following references to the British Mandate populations from 1922 - do these numbers represent the population before or after the separation of Trans-Jordan from Palestine (in 1922 as I recall)?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Noam<br><br>DLerner569@aol.com wrote: [...]
32650 33 8_Refugees14_Martin Goodman26_martinjgoodman@hotmail.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:33:55 -0800509_iso-8859-8-i 23 February 2003<br><br>In Habonet Digest 2507, F. Perlmutter mentions that the family of Sirhan Sirhan is counted as Palestinian refugees of the 1948 war, even though this classification is inappropriate.<br><br>I don't think it is guilding the lily to add that Yassir Arafat himself was born in Egypt, spent a substantial amount of his childhood in Egypt, and (if memory serves me correctly ) served in Egyptian fedayeen forces that committed acts of terrorism against Israel in the 50's. [...]
32684 31 12_Re: Refugees13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:58:34 -0500563_us-ascii When I visited Kibbutz Meizer last month, I learned that the murderer who entered the kibbutz and shot several people this fall was named Sirhan Sirhan, after his infamous uncle. THe Meizer killer was from a small village just over the hill in the West Bank where the Sirhan family has lived for generations. I don't know why the first Sirhan Sirhan wasn't really Palestinian. Maybe its because I was too young at the time but I don't remember the RFK murder being tied to Arab/Israel politics. At the time I thought it was treated as the work of a [...]
32716 36 26_Re: the wahhabis next door13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:08:58 -0500405_us-ascii Dear Noam,<br><br>I agree that the Wahhabiis aren't the people I would choose for neighbors. Unfortunately, they control the two big Islamic day schools in the DC area. You probably saw the article on the schools in the Wash Post last year that reported on interviews with American born kids whose ambition in life is to become shaheed and who are taught to hate all that the US stands for. [...]
32753 26 68_Not 100, still, 76 Israeli-Palestinian Human Rights and Peace Groups11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:52:33 -0800763_iso-8859-1 http://www.ariga.com/humanrights/index.shtml<br><br>If you want to know about Ariga, click on where it says "online since 1995," the closest thing to a homepage. Batel<br><br><br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/<br><br>* * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------=
32780 94 20_Re: Rivka Blumenfeld24_Nancy via Optimum Online21_bunkins@optonline.net31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:18:48 -0500422_iso-8859-1 Carmi - Thank you for the news. I wish it was good news. Please pass along mine and Gadi's heartfelt condolences to Miriam and the rest of the family. She was a wonderful person and though I was one of the adoptees that didn't keep in touch, she was always special to me. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Holtzer Family To: Habonet Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Rivka Blumenfeld [...]
32875 48 20_Re: Rivka Blumenfeld24_Nancy via Optimum Online21_bunkins@optonline.net31_Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:19:35 -0500288_iso-8859-1 Carmi - Thank you for the news. I wish it was good news. Please pass along mine and Gadi's heartfelt condolences to Miriam and the rest of the family. She was a wonderful person and though I was one of the adoptees that didn't keep in touch, she was always special to me. Nancy
32924 348 15_Student protest13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:47:16 +0200692_windows-1255 Chevre, this statement is from the web site of the Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran. Jon<br><br>SMCCDI: Reflections on "Presidents' Day" in America Reflections on "Presidents' Day" in America<br><br>SMCCDI (Public Statement) February 17, 2003<br><br>The people of the United States of America are celebrating the anniversary of their country's "Presidents' Day". This celebration occurs for the people of a young country, yet the oldest remaining western democracy in the world, under circumstances which, according to the recent statements of the presidency of this country about our country, Iran, the shaky regime of the Islamic Republic has [...]
33273 191 80_FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:18:22 -0800487_iso-8859-1 I guess this is as disconcerting as anything else.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message----- From: marcia plager [mailto:mplager@socal.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:01 PM To: Doug and Renee Goldenberg-Schwartz; Elly Krapek; Baruch Eichenbaum Subject: Fw: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...<br><br><br><br><br><br>Subject: Re: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro... [...]
33465 31 84_Re: FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:39:42 -0500376_us-ascii Dear Steve,<br><br>Who wrote this? What is their expertise? Unsigned, forwarded emails aren't a useful source of information. Is this person advocating we lock up everyone "exposed" on the O'Reilly Factor? Having served on a grand jury recently, I am happy to say that our justice system requires a somewhat higher level of proof than does the FOX News Network. [...]
33497 61 84_RE: FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:18:21 -0800587_US-ASCII Judith<br><br>Thanks for your reply. I, too, don't think the article provided the basis to lock someone up. I thought the thrust was to ring an alarm concerning our slow, ponderous, inefficient system of investigation; that it is worrisome to find out how little we are protected against people wishing us real harm. Hell, O'Reilly hates everyone! I love it when he rips apart the people I don't agree with. I hate it when he rips apart the people on my side. He is vicious, overbearing, unfair, ............and sometimes right. (No pun). He can yell "Lock 'em up" as much [...]
33559 45 84_Re: FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:48:53 -0500563_us-ascii Steve Klein wrote:<br><br>> Judith > > Thanks for your reply. I, too, don't think the article provided the basis to > lock someone up. I thought the thrust was to ring an alarm concerning our > slow, ponderous, inefficient system of investigation; that it is worrisome > to find out how little we are protected against people wishing us real harm. > Hell, O'Reilly hates everyone! I love it when he rips apart the people I > don't agree with. I hate it when he rips apart the people on my side. He is > vicious, overbearing, unfair, ............and [...]
33605 29 40_Fear Prayer Security and other Snow Jobs12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:54:52 +0200605_us-ascii It's supposed to snow tomorrow in Jerusalem. Despite sparse but long experience with snow (it comes but seldom and almost never sticks) Jerusalemites go ballistic when they hear the word. The ones who are rushing to buy milk and bread (well really hoard)get into accidents with others rushing to pick up their kids in case they're sent home early from school. Some check their kerosene heaters - who knows - in case there's a power failure. Then they rush to buy kerosene. There have been three way collisions reported between cars seeking fuel, children, and basic food stuffs. Today Rivka [...]
33635 70 84_RE: FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:33:08 -0800463_us-ascii Noam<br><br>Point taken. I have no idea how to resolve the dilemma of protection without invasion. Ashcroft is scary.<br><br>Steve<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Noam Stopak Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:49 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: FW: Exerpts from terrorism indictment against University of South Florida pro...<br><br><br><br>Steve Klein wrote: [...]
33706 505 34_The Source of those refugee stats?13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:03:34 -0500541_iso-8859-1 Dear Friends,<br><br>Is this the address to the Christian Coalition by Joseph Farah the one to which Dennis(?-I've erased the original emails) was referring in the recent flurry of emails about the origins of the Palestinian refugees? I am not endorsing the veracity of its content; I am giving us all access to it so we can judge the source for ourselves. I received it from a very right wing source who once had a mutual acquaintance forward something I wrote and has ever after been trying to convert me to his viewpoint. [...]
34212 522 38_RE: The Source of those refugee stats?11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Mon, 24 Feb 2003 23:07:58 -0800444_iso-8859-1 Hi, Forgive me if I missed the explanation, but can someone, please, let me know why the number is being discussed? Is there a significance to the actual number as it is being looked at here?<br><br>Batel<br><br>-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Judith Gelman Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 8:04 PM To: habonet Subject: The Source of those refugee stats? [...]
34735 42 18_Thus spake Hadary!11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:50:54 -0700647_us-ascii While listening to This American Life on NPR on Sunday, imagine my surprise when Amnon Hadary's voice boomed out.<br><br>Hear for yourself: http://www.thislife.org/ra/232.ram<br><br>The Real Story 2/14 Episode 232 Act Two. What's the Truth Good For, Anyway? For many years, Israeli citizens learned a sanitized version of what happened during their War of Independence in 1948. They learned that 700,000 Arabs fled the country on their own accord. But in the late eighties, a group of Israeli historians gained access to most of the government documents from the war and started writing a truer, less flattering version of the story [...]
34778 26 38_Re: The Source of those refugee stats?0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 25 Feb 2003 11:23:11 EST455_US-ASCII Judy,<br><br>Your posting is an exact transcript of one of the presentations I heard and the source of the most detailed analysis of the "Palestinian Homeland" issue.<br><br>Dennis<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
34805 71 42_Why Did The Palestinians Run Away In 1948?11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:28:47 -0600621_us-ascii Why Did The Palestinians Run Away in 1948? By Prof. Yoav Gelber http://www.mideasttruth.com/YG.html<br><br>Since the abortive talks at Camp David in July 2000, the Palestinian refugee problem has re-emerged as the hard core of the Arab-Israeli conflict. For five decades, the Israelis have swept the problem under the carpet, while the Palestinians have consistently developed their national ethos around their "Right of Return". Assisted by a few Israeli relativist historians, they have composed a false narrative of deliberate expulsion, stressing the role of Deir Yassin and Plan Dalet in their exodus. [...]
34877 96 18_Thus spake Hadary!12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:31:35 +0200791_us-ascii Phil, it's nice hearing your voice. But with my challenged computer skills I couldn't access the sound of the url in your message. Got any suggestions?<br><br>Amnon<br><br>From: Phil Safier <psafier@elixa.com> Subject: Thus spake Hadary! To: habonet@shamash.org Message-id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030225071739.00ae5fe0@mail.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT While listening to This American Life on NPR on Sunday, imagine my surprise when Amnon Hadary's voice boomed out. Hear for yourself: http://www.thislife.org/ra/232.ram The Real Story 2/14 Episode 232 Act Two. What's the Truth Good For, Anyway? For many years, Israeli citizens learned a sanitized version of what happened during their War of [...]
34974 110 22_RE: Thus spake Hadary!4_Abel15_abel@012.net.il31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:12:54 +0200481_Windows-1252 Phil Safier's posting and that by Roz with Yoav Gelber's 'Why Did The Palestinians Run Away in 1948?' illustrates that you can take the same story and see it differently. Yoav Gelber does not disagree with Benny Morris as regards the use of force (after May 15 and with some nasty massacres in October) nevertheless a totally different picture emerges from his brief depiction. Quite clearly the Arabs were mostly to blame for their disappearance from the scene. [...]
35085 45 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:39:08 -0500601_iso-8859-1 Dear Jeff,<br><br>Whatever was in Israeli curricula, what filtered to members of the movement from madrichim down to their chanichim and to American kids in Hebrew Schools was even rosier.<br><br>I remember the first time I heard of Dir Yassin because it went against everything I knew. With my anti-Vietnam War sensibilities, It made me physically nauseous--which is why I remember it. And I remember who told us--JJ Goldberg. Had it been a lesser light, I don't think we would have believed him. But I remember knowing for about 10 or more years that this was an isolated black mark [...]
35131 67 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:16:28 EST594_US-ASCII > Or is it ok, under some circumstances and at some ages, to shade > the ugly parts of history to promote attachment?<br><br>I don't subscribe to this idea personally, but the teaching and popular understanding of all of American history is based on this principle. Of course, as the saying goes, history is written by the victors. Since the Israeli-Palesitinian conflict it is unlikely to ever produce a clear and singular victor, there will most likely always be two simultaneous histories of that conflict. This will be true even if we think we are telling the whole truth and [...]
35199 194 22_RE: Thus spake Hadary!4_Abel15_abel@012.net.il31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:37:07 +0200637_iso-8859-1 Well Judy,<br><br>I think it is clear that the writing of history is itself part of history and it changes radically as conditions change.<br><br>Here is Yoav Gelber on changing historiography as I paraphrase and (greatly) summarize him:<br><br>Sokolow's 'History of Zionism' at the beginning of the 20th century portrayed the history of Zionism began with the return of the Jews to England in the mid-17th century under the sponsorship of Rabbi Menashe Ben Israel. Sokolow's account ends in 1918. Faithful to the spirit of the age and to the new British-Jewish alliance embodied in the Balfour Declaration, he contended [...]
35394 280 50_FW: Fw: Important information about your telephone11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:58:20 -0800633_iso-8859-1 <br><br>-----Original Message----- From: Harry Gluckman [mailto:hwgluckman@zapcom.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:32 AM To: hwgluckman@zapcom.net Subject: Fw: Fw: Important information about your telephone<br><br><br><br><br><br>PASS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>I received a telephone call last evening from an individual identifying himself as an AT&T Service technician who was conducting a test on telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine(9), zero(0), the pound sign (#), and then hang up. Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. [...]
35675 31 46_Re: Important information about your telephone12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:04:54 -0500 (EST)442_us-ascii Steve,<br><br>Many list-members have repeatedly asked you to *stop* sending us forwarded messages.<br><br>This latest message is a virus-type hoax.<br><br>Please review the list's FAQ's -- you got a copy when you subscr!bed, and it's posted to the list periodically. The FAQ's specifically ask list-members *not* to forward virus messages.<br><br>So I'll ask you one *more* time: Please stop sending us your forwarded messages! [...]
35707 39 46_Re: Important information about your telephone11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:58:58 -0500469_us-ascii David Fleiss wrote:<br><br>> Steve, > > Many list-members have repeatedly asked you to *stop* sending us forwarded messages. > > This latest message is a virus-type hoax. > > Please review the list's FAQ's -- you got a copy when you subscr!bed, and it's posted to the list periodically. The FAQ's specifically ask list-members *not* to forward virus messages. > > So I'll ask you one *more* time: Please stop sending us your forwarded messages! > > David [...]
35747 62 46_RE: Important information about your telephone11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:23:46 -0800489_us-ascii David<br><br>I didn't realise I was sending along a "virus hoax". However, I get your message. I will comply and keep forwarded stuff off the Habonet unless that policy is changed.<br><br>In the past, I have been hit with messages from 3-4 people that I annoy them, not only with forwarded material, but with opinionation that does not jibe with theirs. I didn't realise that that constituted "many", nor do I think that it was the "forwards" that engendered the complaints. [...]
35810 61 46_Re: Important information about your telephone11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:26:59 -0500545_us-ascii Steve Klein wrote:<br><br>> David > > I didn't realise I was sending along a "virus hoax". However, I get your > message. I will comply and keep forwarded stuff off the Habonet unless that > policy is changed. > > In the past, I have been hit with messages from 3-4 people that I annoy > them, not only with forwarded material, but with opinionation that does not > jibe with theirs. I didn't realise that that constituted "many", nor do I > think that it was the "forwards" that engendered the complaints. > > However, as I said, [...]
35872 26 46_Re: Important information about your telephone0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:30:28 EST519_US-ASCII when people send me these "advice pieces" i figure they are just trying to be helpful. in cases like this one where i have already seen this "advice," i just make use of my handy delete key. it takes less time than spouting off.....<br><br>lisa<br><br>------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ [...]
35899 33 46_RE: Important information about your telephone12_David Fleiss20_dfleiss@pipeline.com37_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:48:37 -0500 (EST)618_us-ascii >>> In the past, I have been hit with messages from 3-4 people that I annoy them, not only with forwarded material, but with opinionation that does not jibe with theirs. <<<<br><br>Steve,<br><br>I joined this mailing list to participate in discussions among Habonim alumni.<br><br>I can't speak for anybody but myself, but I enjoy hearing viewpoints other than my own; otherwise it would be a pretty boring list. Having said that, I'm much more interested in hearing what other list-members think than reading long messages written by complete strangers -- hence my low tolerance for forwarded messages. [...]
35933 112 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:48:25 EST576_US-ASCII It is the notion of Israel's purity or divinity, whether it comes from us or it is imposed on us, that causes Jewish human beings to be measured by a different standard than other human beings. Certainly we aspire to a "higher" standard of justice than we have achieved, but it is hubris in extremis to reckon our collective or individual achievement in this regard to be automatically some of order of magnitude higher than that of our fellow humans. If there is a differentiation to be made, it is more likely in our collective and individual awareness of the [...]
36046 57 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:51:28 EST363_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/26/2003 8:17:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brianscoop@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> Since the Israeli-Palesitinian conflict it is unlikely to ever produce a > clear and singular victor<br><br>We have the power. We lack the will. Better a Marshall Plan for the survivors, than a Chamberlain Plan calculated to make us victims. [...]
36104 106 22_RE: Thus spake Hadary!4_Abel15_abel@012.net.il31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:04:33 +0200528_Windows-1252 The military power perhaps - we lack the political strength not necessarily the will. Also I don't think that we should rely on the US (treat or not) or anyone else. The moment her interests are no longer with us we will be dropped like those who were encouraged in the first Iraq war. -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of DLerner569@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:51 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Thus spake Hadary! [...]
36211 68 43_Fwd: RE: Thus spake Hadary!-The bottom line0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:17:05 -050019_iso-8859-1 <br><br>
36280 59 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:35:40 EST589_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/26/03 8:17:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brianscoop@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> I don't subscribe to this idea personally, but the teaching and popular > understanding of all of American history is based on this principle.<br><br>Bullshit Brian. Anyone who has seen a modern curriculum for teaching U.S. history would think it was written by the enemies of the U.S.. Not only that, but unless a person was a woman or a member of a prescribed minority group, the odds are they are not even mentioned in most new history books made for jr. and senior highs.
36340 54 46_Re: Important information about your telephone0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:40:42 EST193_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/26/03 11:37:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfleiss@pipeline.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> Just my two cents, > > David ><br><br>Now Habonet is charging for posting???
36395 36 25_Re: two cents for posting11_Noam Stopak20_nstopak@orionsci.com31_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:59:07 -0500366_us-ascii Richardrdsmith@aol.com wrote:<br><br>> In a message dated 2/26/03 11:37:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfleiss@pipeline.com writes: > >> Just my two cents, >> >> David > > > Now Habonet is charging for posting???<br><br>Not exactly. It works more like public radio - every now and then we get to hear the call for support for the foundation from Ken :-) [...]
36432 82 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:14:54 EST449_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/26/03 1:37:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:<br><br>> Bullshit Brian. Anyone who has seen a modern curriculum for teaching U.S. > history would think it was written by the enemies of the U.S.. Not only > that, but unless a person was a woman or a member of a prescribed minority > group, the odds are they are not even mentioned in most new history books > made for jr. and senior highs. [...]
36515 89 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:15:19 EST641_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/26/03 11:15:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brianscoop@aol.com writes:<br><br><br><br>> Brianscoop@aol.com ><br><br>There was a Canadian who worked at Mosh about 15 years ago that use to wear a T-shirt from the McGill History Dept. which stated, "God can't change history, only historians can." I always liked that.<br><br>Modern history books spend more time studying Native Americans than the revolutionaries that made this country. Slavery, which was barely mentioned in history books when I went to school, are front and center in most history books today, as it should be since it was the major issue in [...]
36605 72 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:02:15 EST589_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/27/03 4:15:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:<br><br>> BTW-the best Custer film I think is Little Big Man, and probably, tho a bit > exaggerated, the most accurate<br><br>Yes, I agree. I thought it was great. But there are a couple of old films I have long forgotten which I remember as interesting if only for their cultural value. By the way, I don't know who any of those people are, but I can safely hide behind my Canadianism here! Anyway, most Americans don't know you burned our parliament buildings in Montreal - and I'm [...]
36678 54 22_Re: Thus spake Hadary!0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:08:02 EST348_US-ASCII By the way, maybe this was said earlier in the thread, (I missed much of the beginning so I apologize) but the Jewish tradition of basing our history on our mythology comes to us honestly -- it began with our communal teaching of the Torah as history, no?<br><br>--brian<br><br>----------------------------- Brian Cooper brianscoop@aol.com
36733 42 18_Forwarded articles13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:09:01 -0500405_us-ascii Dear Chevreh,<br><br>I just want to vote FOR the posting of interesting articles. I especially treasure the ones Roz sends. I understand that it is a pain to digest readers to get long articles that they need to scroll through if they don't want to read them. I am happy to go to websites when URLs are made available and think this is a good alternative that should be used when possible.. [...]
36776 73 44_David Thaler looking for MB Yod Aleph people0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:51:47 EST580_US-ASCII David Thaler asked me to forward this to the list. His email address is h-t@gezer.org.il Please reply to him (not me)!<br><br>Thaler says: "i am looking for chaverim from mb yod aleph (summer of '73) madrichim and chanichim. this summer will mark thirty years since we spent the summer together. i am trying to get a list together of people who were there so i can compile a newsletter. please send me your e-mail (or snail mail address) and if you know the address of anyone else. i would appreciate it. my e-mail is h-t@gezer.org.il. thanks a lot. looking forward [...]
36850 133 20_re:thus spoke hadary0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:15:34 EST413_ISO-8859-1 In a message dated 2/26/03 4:14:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, abel@012.net.il writes:<br><br><br><br>> All attempts by > historians to dispel it and prove that the balance of power between the > contending forces during much of the war inclined in favor of the Jews, are > in vain. I, personally, have met with anger from Israeli audiences when > spelling out the exact figures of this balance.' > [...]
36984 74 21_Re: thus spoke hadary0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:05:32 EST554_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/28/2003 6:18:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, Smfgrappa@aol.com writes:<br><br>> Here a current Israeli myth. I got it from a friend just the other day. "The > settlements are not the problem." Anyone who believes that is entertaining > a dangerous myth. I bet that any astute person on this list can come up > with 10 other dangerous myths that both comfort and endanger the Zionist > psyche. > > Sam- I get the feeling that you sincerely believe if we get out of the west bank, somehow a veil of peace will settle on the [...]
37059 49 21_Re: thus spoke hadary0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:17:50 EST576_US-ASCII Sam,<br><br>I think I lost the thread of what is myth and what is not. I think of myths as stories which are symbolic and have no necessary historical or factual reality. What I see you describing are interpretations of facts, or their misinterpretation for some political purpose.<br><br>My years alive have taught me that truth is a function of perspective. Only an understanding from many points of view can begin to reveal the truth. I take it on faith that this understanding is a scarce commodity and therefore most of the time what we see as the truth is [...]
37109 72 21_Re: thus spoke hadary0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:57:53 EST587_US-ASCII Sue,<br><br>Here is an example of what you referred to as rehashing of positions. Each of the clusters of viewpoints resident of the list and deeply held perceptions of the truth based on the holders experience, learning, logic, and lens.<br><br>I do not presume to speak for Sam, he's too good at that (thankfully) himself, but -- there's always a but, isn't there? -- From my conversations with Sam on the subject, I perceive through my lens, that Sam believes the Settlements (and more the specific occupants of some of the settlements) are a roadblock to peace - not a [...]
37182 23 13_32nd Workshop0_16_JoshCTRS@aol.com31_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:02:57 -0500317_iso-8859-1 Hi everybody. Josh Barol here. 32 workshop, galil km80, Mb81, Galil Tzevet 82, 84, Gesher 85, shk86. Anyone I know out there? Hi Brian, how are you. My sister is doing great, living in Nahariyah, taking art classes, raising her 3 children. Are there any 32nd workshoppers out there?<br><br>Josh Barol [...]
37206 35 17_Re: 32nd Workshop11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:18:17 -0600555_us-ascii Who is your sister? My daughter also lives in Nahariyya. Roz<br><br><br><br>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: JoshCTRS@aol.com Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:02:57 -0500<br><br>>Hi everybody. Josh Barol here. 32 workshop, galil km80, Mb81, Galil Tzevet 82, 84, Gesher 85, shk86. Anyone I know out there? Hi Brian, how are you. My sister is doing great, living in Nahariyah, taking art classes, raising her 3 children. Are there any 32nd workshoppers out there? > >Josh Barol > > > [...]