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2 37 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 00:42:14 EST573_US-ASCII About a month ago, I spent Shabbat lunch at a new friend's home- Candice worked with us on the Exodus project- her father and mother from Morocco via Paris ( he is a dr.)and they speak mostly French - --and it was Sukkot. I arrived around noon to a HUGE sukkah decorated with rugs and drawings and fruit- and about 10 others- After kiddush (and rachataza)- there was singing and food...and more singing and more food- and a discussion of the parasha...I was the only "Ashkenaz"- but I felt very "at home" and extremely Jewish---- then more singing-- and Arak [...]
40 131 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon11_Bruce Arbit17_BARBIT@abdata.com30_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:16:23 -0600576_- Subject: Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:05:53 EST From: DebALev@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org
In a message dated 11/30/01 23:05:53 ESTime, DebALev@aol.com writes:
> Jewish law (halacha) permits American Jews to celebrate Thanksgiving because > it is a secular holiday. Jewish law says Jews can celebrate secular holidays > as long as 1) they are not celebrated with people who bring religious > worship to the celebration and 2) the celebration does not appear to be a > religious ritual. [...]
172 106 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sat, 01 Dec 2001 09:01:35 -0500397_us-ascii Dear Amnon-
If I were an Israeli, I wouldn't celebrate Thanksgiving. I thought it very strange that Maayan Baruch, which otherwise did very little for us in a nurturing, communal way, got a hugh turkey and horrible canned cranberry jell for the workshop in 73. However, I am an American and Thanksgiving is one of two of the great melting pot holidays. THe other is July 4th. [...]
279 89 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 14:41:33 EST572_US-ASCII I'm giving thanks for all the warm and woderful stories shared by my Chaverim on Hobonet. It makes me want to share too. I don't especially care for Thankgiving (speaking as an American) Turkey can be good but rarely is. Stuffing is usually much better, but goes by the same name as the practce of gorging oneself. This year for example we had thanksgiving at my ex-wife's. All three of our children were there. the five grandchildren we share, our respective spouses - some of you have met Mary at the last two workshop reunions. My ex-wife and her husband [...]
369 157 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 01 Dec 2001 18:17:22 +0200541_windows-1255 Two short footnotes to American Thanksgiving:
1. Way back when I was in Habonim in the States, we would always use the long Thanksgiving weekend for get-togethers or kinusim, including traveling in from different cities. This became harder when our chanichim started coming from homes where the parents were American-born, unike our European-born parents, for whom Thanksgiving was not a very prominent holiday. The American-born parents insisted that the children be home for the traditional Thanksgiving dinner... [...]
527 28 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 16:32:46 EST31_US-ASCII All I see is a turkey?
556 59 7_Viruses14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il30_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:43:20 +0200420_iso-8859-1 Twice in the past two days we have received messages from Habonet which our anti-virus program has identified as being infected with W32.badtrans.B... virus. One arrived yesterday morning (I don't remember who it was addressed from) and a second arrived this evening in a message addressed from Pearl. Has anyone else been getting these messages (I couldn't find either in the Habonet archives). Thanks, Carmi
616 26 11_Re: Viruses0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 17:35:43 EST348_US-ASCII Carmi, Ive received those viruses on three other email lists, but so far, not on Habonet.
On those other lists, the virus message comes to me individually and not through the list, although the subject line does refer to a former subject on the list, and the people I'm getting the note from are only known to me on the lists. [...]
643 32 11_Re: Viruses0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com28_Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:23:30 EST41_US-ASCII Hi,
Received Pearl virus.
676 28 48_No apologies to Mark H, Mark M, Noam, and Dennis0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Dec 2001 02:47:24 EST578_US-ASCII While we sit here and reminisce about Thanksgiving, turkeys and stuffing(I am the queen of that, I admit), maniacs are wondering the streets of Jerusalem, murdering innocent people and blowing themselves up. I can no longer try and make excuses to myself or anyone else that this is out of the Palestinian desperation...it is just crazy people who don't want peace or coexistence. Again, I say they want us dead- all of us- Jews, Israelis- Americans. This is a crazy world, and I am scared. I am no longer someone who dreams of peace, but fears for the world, and [...]
705 113 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:55:28 +0200639_iso-8859-1 BEAUTIFUL!!! Thanks for sharing. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: DLerner569@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon
I'm giving thanks for all the warm and woderful stories shared by my Chaverim on Hobonet. It makes me want to share too. I don't especially care for Thankgiving (speaking as an American) Turkey can be good but rarely is. Stuffing is usually much better, but goes by the same name as the practce of gorging oneself. This year for example we had thanksgiving at my ex-wife's. All three of [...]
819 59 52_Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 02:24:07 +0200604_iso-8859-1 Beautiful! thanks for sharing with us. Love, pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: Re: The Thanksgiving Responsa or No Turkey for Amnon
> About a month ago, I spent Shabbat lunch at a new friend's home- Candice > worked with us on the Exodus project- her father and mother from Morocco via > Paris ( he is a dr.)and they speak mostly French - --and it was Sukkot. I > arrived around noon to a HUGE sukkah decorated with rugs and drawings and > fruit- and about 10 others- [...]
879 30 27_Re: No apologies from Susie11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:57:33 -0500451_us-ascii Dear Susie,
No apologies necessary. I too am angry and afraid and discouraged and worried for friends and family. I agree that there are plenty of people who would like nothing better than to see us all dead.
I still dream of peace. We cannot allow this horror to drive us to become like those who oppose peace. I have a young daughter and I will continue to strive to make the world a better place for her and for us all. [...]
910 63 46_=?DOS-862?B?Rnc6IISSgZiEOiBBbm90aGVyIG9uZQ==?=14_Ethan Schwartz24_schwar1@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 19:09:31 +0200361_DOS-862 MessageThis was forwarded to me, I'm forwarding it without permission. I had been posted on the Ravnet.
Dear Colleague
I'm sitting in Cafe Rimon in Zion Square in Jerusalem . The streets that last night were awash with the blood of young Israelis have been washed , but our tears are not washed away and neither is our anger. [...]
974 183 46_Fwd: ICEJ NEWS - SPECIAL BULLETIN - DECEMBER 20_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:31:28 EST17_US-ASCII
1158 86 52_Re: No apologies to Mark H, Mark M, Noam, and Dennis0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:52:14 EST560_US-ASCII I offer what I can... an e-mail hug (O) .
So many of are experiencing unresolved grief and psychic pain. We are good people (most of us, most of the time) and our world of logic, progress, reason and order appears to be falling down around us. Chaos begets chaos. Feelings and events we cannot place in understandable context, overwhelm us and put us first in a state of helpless confusion and then we are moved to act in the flow of chaos. These are the dynamics of mob behavior. When high logic minds are pushed toward chaos they become [...]
1245 70 11_Re: Viruses7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:53:05 +0200427_iso-8859-1 thank you for writing. I can only apologize at this stage. A friend called me last night telling me it was she that sent it to me inadvertantly, and somehow my anti-virus program did not work. I am doing major work on this machine's kishkes now. all the best, v'slicha,, pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Mmxmm@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: Re: Viruses [...]
1316 46 18_apology for virus!7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:58:17 +0200344_windows-1255 shavua tov,
I humbly apologize for sending this awful virus, albeit inadvertantly. Even after I cleaned it out I immediately received five more letters with the same virus! My Norton anti did not work properly and as a result my machine caused havoc around the world. This is one of the meanest viruses to have hit me. pearl
1363 31 9_To Dennis0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:12:51 EST540_US-ASCII I have read your postings with so much admiration- and yet I find it hard not to be reactionary to the terrorist threats and actions. I - personally-could never trust an Arafat. For the Palestinian people to want to be recognized as an entity in the civilized world, they have to start taking responsibility for what is said AND done in their name. I am not sure they have leaders and people who want to do that - their jargon and educational tools refute any longing for peace. We are all in pain, but I am not just in pain, [...]
1395 50 13_Re: To Dennis0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 2 Dec 2001 16:10:35 EST442_US-ASCII Did my hug help? bring a smile?
The US is the key to Israel's survival. I remember after my divorce from Harriet, the kids did all kinds of acting out to prove that I would desert them too. I didn't (though often tempted) and told tham that they couldn't force me to leave them no matter what. They kept trying and I hung in there. Gradually, they accepted that I genuinely loved them and would always be there for them. [...]
1446 66 11_Re: Viruses14_Tana Hemingway16_tanah@zianet.com31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:11:10 -0700484_us-ascii As you all can see at the end of this missive, a good virus protection is the way to go. My daughter got this one for me off the net, and she swears by it for herself, too. The first time I ran it it found some bad stuff and told me two were repaired and four had to be quarantined. Every time I light up it runs a check, and tells me all is well, now. It also updates itself "daily". Since I'm not on the computer daily, I don't know what that means. I was able to set [...]
1513 29 46_Re: Just Like Back in Carnegie Hall in the 60s0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:11:30 EST656_US-ASCII
In a message dated 11/30/01 12:13:52 AM, Aliya writes:
<< We ranged in age from 20 to 52 >> ===================================== Aliya, shalom
On behalf of my good friend Carl Arnold, I thank you.
I know he doesn't look a day over 40.
Chaver Steve Columbia '66 (with Carl) you figure.
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1543 33 23_Re: HABONET digest 20750_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:32:29 EST465_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/2/01 12:05:04 AM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:
<< My father's reward for his role was the part that goes over the fence last. >>
Dennis!! Thanks for your great Thanksgiving stories.
And I thought that my family was the only one to use that wonderful term "the part that goes over the fence last". (Is that an American term or a translation from Yiddish? If so can we please have the original Yiddish?) [...]
1577 128 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Mon, 03 Dec 2001 02:32:02 -0500421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com
Hi Chevre,
Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...]
1706 33 23_Re: HABONET digest 20750_16_Aborciah@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 03:54:01 EST139_US-ASCII Though we generally refer to the navel as a "pupick," the part of the chicken or turkey so referenced is the stomach.
Anita
1740 132 26_Cultural Galut aka Turkeys12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:07:27 +0200566_us-ascii Shalom Bruce, Responding to my posting about cultural baggage you call it a wonderful piece. Thanks. What made it interesting, maybe even good, -- Rivka disagreed with it as I tried out some of its ideas on her even as I was typing them is that it flushes you and others out of the underbrush so that you respond intelligently and cogently yet. I like what you wrote. > He suggested that because the Pilgrims were Goyim, that the celebration of Thanksgiving was, inter alia, a Goyish celebration. < Nice pun - inter aliyah; wish I'd said that. But the [...]
1873 47 29_Kolot's Rosh Hodesh for girls13_Deborah Meyer14_dmeyer@rrc.edu30_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:17:38 -0500628_iso-8859-1 Chevre, especially in the Baltimore area:
Help us give your daughter the gift of Rosh Hodesh! We want your 6th-grade girls in the Baltimore area:
Kolot, the group I work for, is creating a Rosh Hodesh project for adolescents called "Kolot's Rosh Hodesh: It's A Girl Thing!" We are now testing our material on 6th-10th grade girls in Baltimore, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia. (Next year we hope to get local organizations, synagogues and other agencies to run the program in communities all over the US and Canada.) The idea is to build/support self-esteem and positive Jewish identities in a [...]
1921 49 10_who is who12_Stan Goldman17_stan@zahav.net.il30_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:26:23 +0200260_windows-1255 It seems that some of the people around Arafat are turning against him and he may be on his way out. The question is : do they oppose him because he seems to be going toward peace and they don't want it. If so we may be worse off then we are today
1971 32 23_Re: HABONET digest 206114_Neil Korostoff12_npk1@psu.edu30_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:46:12 -0500415_US-ASCII How do I unsubscribe from Habonet? My email is getting too crowded.
On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 12:06 AM, Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh wrote:
> > HABONET Digest 2061 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Re: Concerning Yentl's Revenge > by Norm Kane > 2) Re: Habonim book "Arise and Build" > by Tana Hemingway > [...]
2004 35 23_Re: HABONET digest 206111_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:58:14 -0500776_us-ascii Neil Korostoff wrote:
> How do I unsubscribe from Habonet? My email is getting too crowded.
>From the monthly Frequently asked questions message (FAQ) which I happened to receive this morning:
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2040 22 30_Re: Cultural Galut aka Turkeys0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:09:21 EST436_US-ASCII Amnon - I think you have forgotten one important aspect of Galut- and that is Galut of the soul. There can be Jews in Israel who are- so to speak- "living" in America, while you can have Jews in America "living" in Israel...Maybe this is a cop-out- but the philosophy of Galut doesn't end in the physical measurements of time and place...Judaism is a state of mind; the ingathering of the exiles is a Messianic ideal. Sue [...]
2063 71 23_Re: HABONET digest 20610_18_Brianscoop@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:15:19 EST372_US-ASCII Thanks Noam! And for those of you who may be confused (those who actually READ the monthly FAQ like Noam), by my old email address, it will be corrected -- thanks to Jenny Kay -- in next month's FAQ. Meanwhile, if you are looking for me, my email address is brianscoop@aol.com , and Ken Bob's is kbob24@aol.com. Neither descartes.com address is still valid. [...]
2135 141 30_Re: Cultural Galut aka Turkeys0_14_LHIAM1@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:57:42 EST562_ISO-8859-1 In a message dated 12/3/01 11:11:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, LiberHawke@aol.com writes:
> Amnon - I think you have forgotten one important aspect of Galut- and that > is > Galut of the soul. There can be Jews in Israel who are- so to speak- > "living" > in America, while you can have Jews in America "living" in Israel...Maybe > this is a cop-out- but the philosophy of Galut doesn't end in the physical > measurements of time and place...Judaism is a state of mind; the > ingathering > of the exiles is a Messianic ideal. > Sue [...]
2277 235 22_why aren't you crying?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:27:59 +0200503_iso-8859-1 > > someone sent this to me and I found it very moving, and, unfortunately, too true. What has happened to us? pearl ====================================== > > > > IF YOU DON'T CRY, WHO WILL? > > > > by Yechezkal Chezi Goldberg > > > > * * * > > > > If we become numb to the pain, how can we expect it to ever stop? > > > > 7:30 a.m. Israel time, Sunday December 2, 2001. Eight Hours after the > triple-terror attack on Jerusalem's popular Ben Yehudah pedestrian mall. > > > > He walked [...]
2513 43 30_Re: Cultural Galut aka Turkeys0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:29:45 EST618_US-ASCII A-h-h-h,I see. Perseverence pays off. In the middle I confess I worried a bit. The institutionalization of relevance, is flawed. I do not have to understand the diasporitic context of beaking a glass underfoot at a wedding to perofrm the ritual. In fact over my adult years I have listen to umpteen un-learned explanations of whythe ritual is performed, must with appeal and some degree of relevance, but never with being outside of Israel. the inclusion in every celebration of some symbol of saddness, mourning and melancholy, for the loss of our (collective) homeland seems to be missing something in [...]
2557 36 14_Re: who is who0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:34:03 EST486_US-ASCII Chaos will follow Mr. Arafat. there will be no peace, because there will be no one capable of making peace. would be leaders will need to earn their bones fighting Israeli occupation and then survive the deadly internal struggle. You cannot predict ho long the process will take or the sort of person who will emerge. In my view he isn't ours to take down, and our best strategy is to not become involved, leaving us in the best sted to deal with whoever comes to power. Dennis
2594 32 26_Re: why aren't you crying?0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:38:27 EST488_US-ASCII So who ISN'T crying? But crying is not enough.
I have noticed that the media here in the US seems to finally be "getting it." The CNN commentator actually challenged reps of the PA for saying things and not doing things; for reports that Arafat says one thing in English and another thing in Arabic; other media outlets are beginning to see this as NOT Israel's fault, which is refreshing, and they are actually challenging those who say it IS Israel's fault........ [...]
2627 159 18_It's our fault :-(16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:36:17 -0500630_us-ascii The following piece was passed on to me by a Kach acquaintance in Jerusalem. Howzabout blame the victim? This kind of thinking will likely gain a lot of credance in the very near future. We need to recall that, when Oslo was operative the number of terrorist incidents dropped drastically and economic development, both in Israel and Palestinian areas, increased significantly. The point, I believe, is that both Israel and the Palestinians need a complete, drastic and benign separation from each other. The Palestinians for the moment seem unable and unwilling to be responsible or realistic. Many Israelis at the [...]
2787 28 14_Re: who is who0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:13:39 EST555_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/4/01 2:37:42 AM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:
<< In my view he isn't ours to take down, and our best strategy is to not become involved, leaving us in the best sted to deal with whoever comes to power. Dennis >>
I think this is an impossibility- not to become involved- We ARE involved- since the leaders of the people speak and act in their names...If Arafat decides he has to try and pretend to want peace or be gone- he really has no place to go- Like us Jews- he is damned if he does and damned [...]
2816 20 30_Re: Cultural Galut aka Turkeys0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:29:07 EST365_US-ASCII Hiam- I am with you 100% -- Unfortunately, "humanity" is a broad-based word- As much as we would like to "come in" there are those who want to "keep us out"- and their "humanity" is as real to them as ours is to us.......and what do you do when life gets in the way of getting on a plane and interrupts your fulfillment of kibbutz galuyot?......susie [...]
2837 52 14_Re: who is who13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:29:35 -0500356_iso-8859-1 It is all a matter of American overall strategy in the new global war.
The fact that retired Marines General Antony Zinni was appointed as ME envoy by the Bush Administration means that the strategy devised by the new Bush team, as opposed to the one devised by Bush Senior against Saddam in 1990-92, is radically new and different. [...]
2890 63 14_Re: who is who0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:36:47 EST377_US-ASCII Yuvi, That was very impressive. Where do you get your briefings? Is Israel going to join the US in a land war in Iraq? We are going to meander across Jordan in the process, join with the Jordanian army in joint operations against Jordan's primary trading partner, Iraq? The way you tell it sounds like a novel, which means I have to suspend disbelief. We'll see. [...]
2954 44 26_Cultural Galut aka Turkeys12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:32:27 +0200579_us-ascii Haverot/im Here is a Zionist turkey, but hey, it has more than nostalgiappeal for me.
From the Lay of the Last Minstrel Sir Walter Scott . Canto Sixth I
Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, Who never to himself hath said, "This is my own, my native land!" Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned, As home his footsteps he hath turned, >From wandering on a foreign strand! If such there breathe, go, mark him well; For him no Minstrel raptures swell; High though his titles, proud his name, Boundless his wealth as wish can claim; Despite those [...]
2999 30 33_Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:24:10 EST524_US-ASCII I struggle every day whether or not to get on a plane and "come home." Every day. This is not a nostalgic dream built of airy folk songs and memories of young love on the Giva in Gesher HaZiv, or the sunsets over the Mediterranean - but real desires of my heart - to be able to be "Jewish" without worries (ha!)-- to walk in the footsteps of my history - to fulfill the ideals I had pushed into my head ever since I was old enough to sing Hatikva- to grow old with friends who understand my psyche....And then [...]
3030 38 37_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:18:56 EST367_US-ASCII Suzie, that's a bit dark. I think we all struggle between the tugs of our ideals and principles, and the "practical realities" that keep us turning the stone in place. No need to run a guilt trip on yourself when there are folks in Eretz to do it for you. It just goes to show you even highly perfected people like Amnon, still have a way to go. Best, Dennis
3069 1554 23_Re: HABONET digest 207717_yoninamatz lamdan20_yoninamatz@yahoo.com36_Tue, 4 Dec 2001 11:53:12 -0800 (PST)482_us-ascii
Shalom! I have written a review of Dr. Yehuda Riemer's book on the history of Habonim "Banayich Bonayich". The fine history of our movement is in Hebrew only, so far, but my review is in English. I faxed a copy to Jewish Frontier, in case they're interested. If you'd like a copy for Habonet, please send me your fax number and I'll send you one. Best wishes, Yonina Heller Lamdan, Kibbutz Urim, Negev, Israel. fax:972-8-9920596 [...]
4624 30 37_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Tue, 4 Dec 2001 15:44:32 EST578_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/5/01 12:21:00 AM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:
<< No need to run a guilt trip on yourself when there are folks in Eretz to do it for you. >>
I am a Jewish Mother- what else do you expect- I don't actually feel "guilty"- just terribly "torn".... I once tried to start a group of Alte Kakers who had a "return-aliya" concept in the back of their minds sometime in the next 10-20 years....we exchanged some ideas- but nothing much came of it....I know that if Avi (my son) could find a lucrative job doing stand-up comedy in [...]
4655 30 37_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:55:09 -0500396_us-ascii
LiberHawke@aol.com wrote:
> .....But what do I know- I am only a lowly Galutnikit.....sssssss
You know it just chaps my hide, when all those folks in Israel tell us chutz l'aretz folks how we should feel and what we should do.
You're folks are simply not entitled to have an optionion until you get your post-Zionist credentials in order and "go down". [...]
4686 503 36_Fw: Opinion: The PLO's "Phased Plan"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 05 Dec 2001 01:14:32 +0200481_iso-8859-1 December 2, 2001 ...... 18 Kislev, 5762 .... Jerusalem, Israel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------- Subject: Opinion: The PLO's "Phased Plan"
In 1974 the PLO proposed a "Phased Plan" towards the destruction of the State of Israel. It was adopted at the 12th Session of the Palestinian National Council, Cairo, June 9, 1974. This plan, promulgated 27 years ago, is still relevant today. [...]
5190 28 37_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 05 Dec 2001 23:52:20 +0200558_us-ascii At 00:11 05/12/01 -0500, you wrote: >I shudder every time you bring this up because somewhere behind the poetry is a snide, >tongue-sticking-out dimension that reveals your opinions that we "homeless" are somehow >worth-less Jews- somehow we will disappear from this earth when it is our time to go with >no mark let because we have "chosen" to "ignore" the ideal of being among those who >have succeeded in becoming the participants of "kibbutz galuyot"--- What's another Jew >gone in America- Huh??? But in Israel- we get a box in Ha'aretz.. [...]
5219 62 37_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Wed, 5 Dec 2001 17:05:20 EST544_US-ASCII Amnon, this is Dennis. There is fodder here for very serious discussion. Undoubtedly there are dozens of books on the subject of Zionism and world Jewery and US Jewery. I am ignorant of these books, but nevertheless doubt that there is AN answer.
I am one of those who believe that every Jew must have a strong pair of shoes and a heavy coat, because you can bet that times will change wherever you are, and it will be time to go, probably on very short notice. I am reminded every Pesach, as we re-live the need to get up [...]
5282 66 62_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon- "Responsa Bubba Meisah"0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:16:05 EST630_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/6/01 5:48:26 AM, amriv@netvision.net.il writes: I have two points to say:
1. << I am not holier than thou.
Ahhh...there's the rub. You see, to ME- you ARE " holier than thou."- You sit in Jedrusalem, and with the rest of a true Zionist community, get to celebrate your life- to "eat- drink,--and-be- merry- Jewish, while we sit here and look forward to Thanksgivings and Christmas holidays- many taking pay cuts when celebrating Jewish holidays that cut into their "productivity" as Americans ...OK...Speaking only for MYSELF- I feel "out of place, - "not home" - lacking [...]
5349 118 58_Habonim Dance Ensemble needs 3 more dancers - please help!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 02:12:04 EST422_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh,
For those of you who haven't heard about it before, Greater New York area
Habonim alumni created a dance ensemble last year and re-entered the New
York Israeli Dance Festival (after a 15 year
absence) on the occasion of the 50th Anniversary. We were welcomed warmly,
we danced to a contemporary version of Avadim Hayinu and to our old Habonim [...]
5468 106 62_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon- "Responsa Bubba Meisah"0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:47:35 EST607_US-ASCII Dearest Suzie, I lack your zionist zeal, and patterning Jewish experiences, I view things from a level of detachment because I am always at least a bit detached. Recognizing that we sit in different places enjoying different perspectives, I offer the following, to you and to Amnon:
As I have written on Habonet before, I don't count it an accident that Abraham brought his band of monotheists to an occupied cresent of land constituting the land connection between Europe, Africa and Asia. I don't think there is anything sacred about that land, ecept what we have done there and what [...]
5575 417 43_Fwd: FW: Fwd: Help Israel - an easy mitzvah0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:33:11 EST592_US-ASCII
> Subject: Quick and easy mitzvah > > Here is a simple act we can take to give voice to help Israel. > > > Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Mitch McConnell (R-KY) have proposed > an amendment to the fiscal year 2002 Foreign Aid Bill that would hold PLO > leaders accountable for perpetrating violence on Israel... by imposing > sanctions on them. (including barring their admission to the United States, > downgrading the status of the PLO office in Washington and placing the PLO > and its > constituent groups on the U.S. list of foreign terrorist organizations). [...]
5993 27 20_Re: Trivial Stuffing13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:45:03 -0500515_iso-8859-1 Dennis,
I like your definitions. Can you explain to me how do you "live a life that reflects our current best understanding of that relationship to creation." How do you "far more importantly, live it, and yes, die for it?" Or how do you "live in accordance with our best understanding of that relationship?" Just by reading it and abou it, and then chatting about it on habonet, or are there more concrete steps that are demanded so one can say he/she is living according to it? ___ |Y| ^^^ [...]
6021 82 20_Re: Trivial Stuffing0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:31:23 EST507_US-ASCII
Yuvi wrote >I like your definitions. Can you explain to me how do you "live a life that reflects our current best understanding of that relationship to creation." How do you "far more importantly, live it, and yes, die for it?" Or how do you "live in accordance with our best understanding of that relationship?" Just by reading it and abou it, and then chatting about it on habonet, or are there more concrete steps that are demanded so one can say he/she is living according to it?< [...]
6104 20 20_Re: Trivial Stuffing13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:54:51 -0500499_iso-8859-1 Thanks for sharing the insights, Dennis. I like your answers. There is a lot of thought behind them. Good luck to you and me on making a buck today... ___ |Y| ^^^
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6125 72 19_David Breslau, Z""L0_13_Ezrox@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:13:44 EST618_US-ASCII Dear Habonet,
Greetings from Kvutsat Yovel.
This is Jared Matas and Ezra Weinberg from the 43rd Workshop, writing to you from Jerusalem. We just returned home from an event that caused us to feel connected to the generations of Habonim. We went to Kehilat Mavakseh Derech for the Shloshim Memorial Service for David Breslau. We wore our chultzot to pay our respects to one of the true "Gedolim" of Habonim. It was a nice service with moving tributes from Rabbi Joe Wernick, Rabbi Jack Cohen, Judge David Cheshin and representatives from the AACI. The only dissapointment was the absense of [...]
6198 42 62_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon- "Responsa Bubba Meisah"0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:38:45 EST584_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/6/01 11:49:26 PM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:
<< I conclude from this that the right place for Jews to live is where they can be in enough concentration to support and reinforce their life substance (not style), and provide that exposure that carries the value message. >>
I once brought up the concept of "spiritual galut" ( and got no answers)- The "exodus" from Israel of so many sabras- the fact that they can not find it in their hearts to stay and make it work for them there in the place where they were born- only goes [...]
6241 19 19_Esther Mallach, z"l16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:18:30 -0500548_us-ascii Esther Mallach, mother of David Mallach, died two days ago. David was Rosh at Machaneh Galil in the early 1970's. Anyone wishing to be in touch with David should contact me privately for his address and telephone.
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6261 68 62_Re: Trivial Stuffing.........to Amnon- "Responsa Bubba Meisah"0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:23:52 EST584_US-ASCII Suzie, I tried to be careful about that light unto the people stuff. I thing that that together with the chosen people stuff isn't worth enough to warrant the misunderstanding (internal and external) that goes along with it.
I am more comfortable with fuzzy (not to be confused with soft and fuzzy) concepts, than some. People to need to bring with them to the concept what they can. Contrary to some of our ideas of ourselves, Mensa membership is not required for the practice of Judiasm. My efforts may be wholly duplicative, and may well be wrong (most of our [...]
6330 17 62_Re: Habonim Dance Ensemble needs 3 more dancers - please help!0_17_JackNusan@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 21:59:24 EST416_US-ASCII When and where is the dance festival? And how does one get tickets? Jackie Porter
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6348 21 11_Re: Viruses0_17_JackNusan@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:11:47 EST421_US-ASCII Dear Chevreh--I also had some serious problems. I have an IMAC and a virus crept in and may have destroyed some serious files, not impossible to reduplicate but serious enough. Is there anyone out there who can help me save my files, half were harmed and half are ok. It's scary and confusing. The Imac was in storage for the past month and Ok before than so when did it happen and how? Help! Jackie Porter [...]
6370 37 11_Re: Viruses0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Thu, 6 Dec 2001 23:31:59 EST543_US-ASCII I'm no expert, not even a talented amatuer, but I understand there are worms that go into the various components of your computer and wait unseen for some time and then take some action. I sounds like you situation it as there when you put in storage and now is doing its dirty work. Good Luck. You need to identify the specific virus/worm/etc. and fing a program to scan your computer looking for it or it pieces. The 2 I know of are Norton (the original leader in this area, and McAfee, the current leader.) Again, Good Luck. Dennis
6408 47 7_excuses12_Stan Goldman17_stan@zahav.net.il30_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:34:53 +0200216_windows-1255 I agree with what Yuval wrote to Dennis. I would like to add that if you are not among those of us that must live in Israel thats Ok but please don't make complicated excuses for what you do or don't do.
6456 27 18_Thanksgiving angst16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Fri, 07 Dec 2001 08:10:11 -0500559_us-ascii To Amnon, Suzi, Doug and the rest arguing about how many Jews can eat the giblet dressing of one turkey, or how many turkeys from the Gesher Haziv hodia would make it to a Thanksgiving table, a brief observation. Ben Gurion observed, to a B'nai Brith convention in Jerusalem in 1952, that if you live in Israel you're a Zionist. If you live in the diaspora you're not. I (many of us) live in the diaspora and don't see much likelihood of living in Israel in the forseeable future. So I'm an Israelist. And yes, there is a qualitative difference [...]
6484 46 11_Re: excuses0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:19:22 EST274_US-ASCII Hey Stan, This is Dennis. I don't know if you are referring to me, but on the off chance,let me say that, complicated or not, I offer no excuses, because, frankly I think no excuses are warranted for where we live, and I don't think excuses excuse who we are. [...]
6531 80 22_Re: Thanksgiving angst0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 12:56:23 EST477_US-ASCII To Elihu, As one who gathered turkeys by flashlight (tipping them as one would cows) and grabbing a leg (or drumstick) up and stuffing them into wooden crates at gesher Haziv, I appreciate your observation that there in an ineffable Jewsih quality to life as a Jew among Jews in a Jewish state discussing and plotting about Jewish issues of Jewish survival. I don't know if there is an equivalent for Greeks living in Greece, or whatever, but I suspect there is. [...]
6612 76 7_al-aqsa13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:39:04 -0500592_iso-8859-1 The ongoing war between Palestinians and Israelis is ultimately for the sovereignty over the Temple Mount, which has the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock Mosque built upon it, and which the Palestinians call Haram al-Sharif, or the Holy Sanctuary. Certainly, Jews cannot give away some sort of sovereignty over the site which was first spotted and revered by their ancestors. Wheter there ever was there, on that presumed spot or its environs, a First Temple [of Solomon] or not I believe we will never know for certain, but that doesn't matter at all. By the time the [...]
6689 100 26_Fw: al-aqsa - correction 113_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:43:47 -0500672_iso-8859-1 'Haram al-Sharif' means actully Noble Sanctuary in English, not Holy Sanctuary as I mistakenly wrote below, I believe. Unfortunately I am not [yet] a fluent Arabic speaker. ___ |Y| ^^^
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yuval Warshai" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: al-aqsa
> The ongoing war between Palestinians and Israelis is ultimately for the > sovereignty over the Temple Mount, which has the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome > of the Rock Mosque built upon it, and which the Palestinians call Haram > al-Sharif, or the Holy Sanctuary. Certainly, Jews cannot give away [...]
6790 59 26_Fw: al-aqsa - correction 213_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 15:54:41 -0500665_iso-8859-1 I actually should have said "The Turkish Ottoman Sultan [emperor] Suleiman the Great, in the 16th century...," where I only said "the Ottoman emperor..." ___ |Y| ^^^
----- Original Message ----- From: "Yuval Warshai" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: al-aqsa
> The ongoing war between Palestinians and Israelis is ultimately for the > sovereignty over the Temple Mount, which has the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome > of the Rock Mosque built upon it, and which the Palestinians call Haram > al-Sharif, or the Holy Sanctuary. Certainly, Jews cannot give away some sort > [...]
6850 108 44_I am posting this on behalf of David Koffman14_Jessica Silver26_foundation@habonimdror.org30_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:04:32 -0500342_iso-8859-1 Dear Alumni I am a PhD student at NYU working on a paper about the beginning of Jewish summer camping in America - with a specific focus on Zionist camps of all stripes. I'm most interested in the camps that no longer exist and that weren't absorbed by movements. Needless to say, almost no trace of these camps can be found. [...]
6959 106 21_from the boston globe0_12_SHX2@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:24:35 EST519_US-ASCII The war against Israel goes on
By Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe Staff, 12/2/2001
First of two parts
LAST WEEK retired Marine General Anthony Zinni began a visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority, the latest in a depressingly long line of US envoys sent to nudge along the Israeli-Arab "peace process." Zinni's mission, it seems safe to say, will achieve what all the missions preceding his have achieved; namely, nothing - or at least nothing resembling progress toward real peace. [...]
7066 27 35_Excuses, angst, and everything else0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:00:41 EST663_US-ASCII I have no angst about Thanksgiving- I rather look forward to it; and I don't think that there is anything wrong with expressing feelings about inner conflicts related to Zionism, Israel, American Jewery,the future of the Jewish State, Scott poetry- or Amichai for that matter, Jews Hating Jews, Jews hating Palestinians, Jews loving Jews, Jews Loving Israelis, Jews Hating Israelis, Dance Festivals, Habonim Camps, kumsitz plans, the Shoah Foundation and Museums, Steve Hancoff-Grappa-and Kolot concerts..etc...this is a website for Habonim- and since it is a website- it involves communication- and we have often remarked that we should be able to [...]
7094 173 28_SD article: criticism please0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:25:51 EST516_ISO-8859-1 Chaverim/ot: This was posted on an email list I'm on, which is a feminist one. When I read it, I was sputtering "But.......but........"
I would really appreciate it if y'all would take a look at it and make specific comments. I'm particularly interested in some of his "facts," such as:
The first intifada, starting in 1986, gave formal birth to > Hamas, sponsored by Israel to undercut Arafat. To destroy > the PA is to give more power to Hamas, which is now > Israel's sworn enemy. > [...]
7268 43 32_Re: SD article: criticism please11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:53:22 -0500550_us-ascii DebALev@aol.com wrote:
> Chaverim/ot: This was posted on an email list I'm on, which is a feminist > one. When I read it, I was sputtering "But.......but........" > > I would really appreciate it if y'all would take a look at it and make > specific comments. I'm particularly interested in some of his "facts," such > as: > > The first intifada, starting in 1986, gave formal birth to > > Hamas, sponsored by Israel to undercut Arafat. To destroy > > the PA is to give more power to Hamas, which is now > > Israel's sworn enemy. [...]
7312 77 23_Turkeys - Roger and Out12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:02:38 +0200559_us-ascii Haverim/ot Elihu recounts that Ben Gurion observed, to a B'nai Brith convention in Jerusalem in 1952, that if you live in Israel you're a Zionist. If you live in the diaspora you're not. How reductionist! I disagreed with him then and still do; if for no other reason then because sadly there are so many Israeli Jews who are clearly not Zionists. So, to resort to reductionism, clearly one *is* a Zionist only for a few brief hours in the air while en route from JFK airport to B.G. (airport.) Clearly - also - that is a luftmensch notion B.G. [...]
7390 51 20_explaining to Dennis12_Stan Goldman17_stan@zahav.net.il30_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:04:25 +0200286_windows-1255 Hey Dennis. In myposting about excuses I wrote " if you are not among us who must live in Israel THATS OK But don't make excuses for what you do . I was trying to say as you wrote " no excuses are warrented for where you live " I am sorry that i came across to you as huffy
7442 1840 21_Riemer's book, page 217_yoninamatz lamdan20_yoninamatz@yahoo.com36_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 02:16:14 -0800 (PST)269_us-ascii To Habonet - Here's hoping it arrives as two attachments - the first attempt (at sending two together) did NOT! Shalom and Hag Sameach......Yonina
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9283 30 24_Re: explaining to Dennis0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:50:21 EST58_US-ASCII I wan't sure, Stan. Thanks for clairfying. Dennis
9314 47 27_Re: Turkeys - Roger and Out0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:55:26 EST358_US-ASCII There are some (many) very beautiful people and awesome minds on this net. I am proud to have the chance to be part of the conversation.
Thanks, Dennis
PS Amnon, Having laid turkeys to rest, avis shalom, I this Chanukkah offers some interesting ground for refining futher the US (galut) Israel Jewishness issue. More maybe later. [...]
9362 63 39_Im Eshkachech- from the Nostalgia Queen0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:04:51 EST480_US-ASCII In a message dated 12/8/01 12:59:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, amriv@netvision.net.il writes:
> . But I suggest to > you with great affection that memories -- including those where yours and > mine intersect, are neither an ideology nor a program to be > pursued. They are nostalgia. And I'm not putting down nostalgia when I > quote Omar Khayyam's Rubaiyat "The stars are setting and the caravan/ > Starts for the dawn of nothing - oh make haste! " > [...]
9426 43 12_Two requests0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:27:17 EST346_US-ASCII I have two requests for information from the readers of this list:
1. How do you get to Habonim Friend finder?
2. I am looking for an e-mail address, postal address or phone number for Aynav Barland daughter of Rosie Barland formally of Gesher Haziv currently living in Milwaukee. This is a request for my niece Idit. [...]
9470 35 16_Re: Two requests0_15_Marshlf@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:34:37 EST169_US-ASCII richard-- to get to the people finder, you have to go to the habonim dror home page, then to the habonim foundation page, and then to people finder.
lisa
9506 18 41_Nachlat Achziv-Question for GH chevre....0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:37:01 EST542_US-ASCII I read in Ha'aretz online where there was housing being built next to "Kibbutz Gesher Ziv"--Is this Gesher HaZiv? and what are the specs and prices..Could someone form the kibbutz let us know about this? Sue
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9525 47 39_anti-semitism alive and well on arab tv7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 08 Dec 2001 20:38:19 +0200591_ISO-8859-1 ANTI-SEMITISM ALIVE AND WELL ON ARAB TV > The prototype of modern anti-Semitism, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, > is alive and well in the Arab media. The Middle East Media Research > Institute (MEMRI) reports that several Arab television stations, including > those in Egypt, are broadcasting a special series on the "evidence" of a > Jewish conspiracy to rule the world, as described in the above Czarist > anti-Semitic tract. While "Protocols" is still widely sold in the Arab > world, this is the first television series on the subject purporting to > show how the [...]
9573 19 43_Re: Im Eshkachech- from the Nostalgia Queen0_17_JackNusan@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:11:06 EST599_US-ASCII I want to wish everyone a Happy Chanukah from my family to yours from West Newton and Key West to all of you everywhere. Let's hope a miracle (Nays Gadol Haya Sham)will happen in Jerusalem and we will have some peace. My love to you all--Jack Nusan (jackie) Porter
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9593 16 16_Re: Two requests0_17_JackNusan@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:12:07 EST386_US-ASCII Why not call Alan Barland in Milwaukee? Jack Porter
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9610 32 9_1 request0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:42:07 EST113_US-ASCII This worked so well last time lets try it again.
Does anyone have Esther Robbins' e-mail address?
9643 331 52_Fighting the Flesh Trade in Jerusalem (long article)0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:38:10 EST553_US-ASCII http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/12/02/Features/Features. 39142.html
Fighting the flesh trade By Marion Marrache
(December 5) - Although new laws are in the works to stem the white-slavery trade into Israel, Marion Marrache explains why the authorities must do more to treat the prostitutes as victims rather than criminals
"Woman's flesh for sale, woman's flesh for sale," yells a man in front of the Hamashbir department store in downtown Jerusalem, offering up to passers-by the young woman standing next to him. [...]
9975 22 62_Re: Habonim Dance Ensemble needs 3 more dancers - please help!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:10:44 EST535_US-ASCII The dance festival is on Sunday, March 17th, at Martin Luther King High School in the afternoon.
I will post the performance time and directions on Habonet when tickets go on sale.
Aliya
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9998 114 10_No Subject0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:50:23 EST473_US-ASCII Dear Habonet Subscriber,
Please let me introduce myself. My name is Bennett Lovett-Graff (Na'aleh
'77-83, Galil '85-86, Tavor '87, MB '92, Na'aleh Camp Committee
'95-present), and I am currently managing editor of the Jewish Frontier, the
publication arm of the Labor Zionist Alliance and the voice of labor and
progressive Zionism.
This note is a request for submissions for a forum on the events of [...]
10113 62 21_Yuval's al-Aqsa essay16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:35:30 -0500627_us-ascii In Habonet 2081, Yuval Warshai wrote that
> Not for nothing all three faiths come > from the same scripture > This is not quite correct. Jews and Christians share common sacred text in the tanach. The sacred text of Islam is the Quran, not tanach. Moreover, the Quran retells and recounts any number of bible stories, but differently. Eg the akeda has Isaac's half-brother Ishmael. The Quran has many retold recountings of bible stories, in this manner--sort of a volume of religious "fractured fairy tales" for those old enough to remember the Rocky & Bullwinkle show. The polical/religious implications, [...]
10176 53 25_Re: Yuval's al-Aqsa essay0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:18:33 EST598_US-ASCII I loved Rocky and Bullwinkle.
Its fantasy taught me a lot about reality.
The Quoran is a response to Torah, just as Genesis is a reponse to the religious traditions of the ancient world around it. But it seems to me that rather than elevating the tales like Gilgamesh into a monotheistic/morality story, the Qouran (again. seems to me) to be an effort to create a competitive source of pride and status for the arabs tribes. Perhaps it comes from some enlightened melding of Jewish and Christian thought, but there doesn't seem to be a cohesive thread that runs through [...]
10230 55 15_A News morning.0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:32:27 EST467_US-ASCII For the first time this year there is a light, white blanket of snow on the world as visible from Syracuse, New York. The first snowfall always make me feel as though the canvas of life has been painted with a fresh surface on which we may begin again. It surprises me that there is no holiday of the first snowfall. This year there is and Chanukkah will quite nicely. May all your latkes be crisp and golden on the outside and tender and sweet within. [...]
10286 137 25_Re: Yuval's al-Aqsa essay13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:48:48 -0800592_iso-8859-1 The way I see it, the entire corpus of the Hebrew Scripture is itself a sort of rewriting of an original core of the faith as it is first inscribed in the first four books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers). It is basically a collection of variations on themes that were already first articulated somewhere in those 4 books. Now the Christians have their own new scripture, which although it is clearly developed from the same hard core, is completely new and different, even written in a different language in some parts, or what remains is only the translation into that [...]
10424 31 32_Re: A News morning. To Dennis...0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:21:19 EST584_US-ASCII Dennis- this was beautiful, and thoughtful- Please excuse my "nostalgia"- but I am so happy that we all have reconnected- and that you have become such a contributor to Habonet-- and to Everyone - Chag sameach..susie
PS- When driving around LA in the winter- the snow-cappped mountains around the valleys are visible while it may be 70 or 80 degrees out..Once, when I was living in San Gabriel, we drove up to the Mt. Wilson Observatory about 20 minutes away to go and play in the snow when it was 70 down in the valley...throwing snowballs, and having lunch. We [...]
10456 75 32_Re: A News morning. To Dennis...0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:25:10 EST480_US-ASCII Thanks. :-).
Some thoughts on Chanukkah. Let's see if I get this. The Maccabees threw the Greek/Syrians out of Israel by waging a guerrilla war. The Temple was desecrated the Na'r Tamid extinguished and only a one day supply of properly refined oil could be found, which miraculously burned until new oil could be found. So we give kids presents (gelt) for 8 days and light another candle in the 8 branched candelabra (Chaukkiah) to commemorate the occasion. [...]
10532 16 28_Chinuch shel Chanuka Chanich0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:22:23 EST361_US-ASCII Any correlation?... Amnon?
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10549 309 41_Benny Morris: "The Arabs Are Responsible"0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:37:51 EST468_US-ASCII Chevre, Hag Orim Sameach
If this Benny Morris interview with Yediot has already been posted, please forgive me. Clearly it's a groundbreaking piece in the process of painfully tearing ourselves away from the assumptions underpinning our near messianic hopes for a peaceful Middle East.
How is the left going to absorb the potential reality of an end to Oslo and the inability to prevent the continuation of permanent low level hostilities? [...]
10859 281 23_terrorism & settlements16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:37:06 -0500643_us-ascii Here is JJ's latest, from the most recent issue of the Forward, on the terror and settlements and what ought to be done. I think he's right on the mark. Comments?
A Terrible Clarity
After the pain comes grief. After that, anger. Then, after the anger, a terrible, searing clarity.
The demonic wave of terrorism visited on Israel by Palestinian Islamic militants in recent days has brought just such a clarity to the Middle East conflict. Suddenly it is clear, to anyone unable or unwilling to see it before, that the violence Israel faces every day is not some overly [...]
11141 48 45_Re: Benny Morris: "The Arabs Are Responsible"0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:16:27 EST336_US-ASCII An enterprise psychologist once asked me, "Would you rather win or be right?"
My answer without hestitation was that winning was irrelevant, only being right mattered. That is not a formula for success, and like most I would like to have success. But the answer has not changed. For me it is all about being right. [...]
11190 85 45_Re: Benny Morris: "The Arabs Are Responsible"0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:45:32 EST528_US-ASCII In a message dated 12/9/2001 4:38:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, NEVETS2@aol.com writes:
> "[Morris] is denying that his views have shifted. He claims > that this was his opinion all along. However, no one knew > it. Even when he expressed his opinion, the interviewers > preferred not to quote him on that. 'It is not politically > correct,' he says. Nevertheless, he admits, he has a lot of > built up anger over the past two years against the > Palestinians since they rejected Clinton's proposal. [...]
11276 16 14_Re: No Subject0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 14:11:58 EST404_US-ASCII What's the deadline for the essays in the Frontier? Jack Nusan Porter
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11293 1485 31_Interesting artcle on the Koran13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:11:50 +0200712_windows-1255 Cover story - The New Statesman Special Report - The great Koran con trick
Cover story Martin Bright Monday 10th December 2001
Scholars claim that Islam's holy book is not quite what it seems. By Martin Bright
The news that a recent scientific paper on the common genetic roots of Jews and Palestinians had been suppressed by learned journals, because of the political sensitivity of its conclusions, made for depressing reading. Findings that might have provided reason for hope, or even for solidarity between the Arab and Israeli peoples, were instead considered too hot to handle. [...]
12779 25 32_Interesting article on the Koran14_The Bernhardts24_miriam_b@neve-ilan.co.il31_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:46:05 +0200555_us-ascii Jonathan, I haven't had time to read the whole article that you sent since I just downloaded it at 1:00 in the morning. However, in reading the first little bit, I saw the bit about the genetic study having not been publicized. I saw those results in either the English Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post or the Herald Tribune sometimes recently. I was surprised at the Palestinians being ranked different than the rest of the Arabs, since my understanding that many of the Palestinians migrated to "Palestine" since the time of the Biluim. Miriam [...]
12805 61 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:23:41 EST561_US-ASCII Johnathan, I read the article. As a youngster I remember being told that Mohammed met with the rabbis and offered a union. The offer was rejected and the Moslem sabbbath was made different from the Jews. I have no idea about the basis, if any, for the story, but it is consistent with the anti-Christian conspiracy discussed in the article. Of course it is pretty difficult after seeing the arab children in Israel with blonde shocks in their hair, to imagine that the arab population did not have ample reasonto feel antipathy toward Christians. [...]
12867 154 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:53:07 -0500
13022 27 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:59:30 -0500519_us-ascii Dear All--
To Clarify "However, the Koran is much more recent than Torah and appears to have been written all together and doesn't have a variety of Gospels like the New Testament. It was not constructed of pre-existing books or legends but from an oral tradition that were amalgamated by a redactor. " What I meant is that the TOrah was amalgamated by a redactor while the Koran was not. I know it doesn't read like that. If you replace "but" with "or" it gets closer to what I meant. Sorry- Judy [...]
13050 36 30_Gilboa Needs Your Talents/Help11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:47:22 -0800568_iso-8859-1 Shalom, For the last several years the site for Gilboa's summers has been a rented YMCA camp in the town of Tehachapi in Southern California. The site is up for sale now, and not only are we interested, but we also have the right of first refusal.
As a business plan is being put together and the option is being considered, I would like to ask the members of the Habonim community who have experience in the purchase of sites for other machanot, real estate, fund raising, legal, and any other talent that might help, to contact me directly. I [...]
13087 22 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:53:22 EST607_US-ASCII Yes, I agree that a sense of inferiority and a shame culture permeates Muslim societies; also the way they are raised by their mothers I have heard aslo adds to this sense of inferiority and super sensitivity. It explains a lot. Thank you.
Jack Nusan Porter
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13110 37 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:51:58 EST269_US-ASCII Judy, Wow. I'm very impressed. Is the secret key to peace bestowing prophet status on Mohammed? What would that really entail? Is there an equivalent of the 613 laws, within the Quoran? If so, how do they expand/contrast with the Torah? Loads of thanks, Dennis
13148 33 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:55:40 EST260_US-ASCII We (Jews) need to have a lengthy discussion about aloofness,; we alone got it rightness; and ecumenism. Christians have adopted a new strategy, "we are a branch of Judiasm, like conservative, orthodox, etc." We need to examine the implications. Dennis
13182 54 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:34:18 -0500
13237 62 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:03:00 EST581_US-ASCII Judy can I confess being a reductionist (whatever that means). I am also an Abrahamist, e.g., I think the magnificent essence of Judiasm arrives with Abraham. Moses creates a religion. The Temple rabbis create ritual and consequences, and ways out of consequences, the Kings are at least partially responsible for destruction of the State. So when you tell me we have to give up the Meshiach, I know that the Rebbe (Schneerson) will be freaked, but for me its no loss. If he comes, he comes. Its like the old saying: Everything comes to he who waits... but not while [...]
13300 61 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:29:01 -0500
13362 42 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:33:34 EST544_US-ASCII Dear Judy and Dennis,
I did not read the article because it was sent as an attachment, and I just won't download anything--virophobic. But I read your posts.
Mohammed is thought not to be a prophet. He is thought to be The Prophet, and the last prophet. It's not a matter of the 613 (which we Jews of this age pay not much attention to, so what's the commotion), but I believe he was thought to be inspired in the way that Moses was inspired in that he got to know God personally, so to speak. Moses saw God's neck; [...]
13405 31 10_No Subject0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:40:22 EST373_US-ASCII Those of you who share my disappointment in the outrageous renaming of Washington National Airport for a former president, still living -- well, if you can call it living -- will be pleased to receive the following promising news:
The Bush Administration is considering letting Israel and El Al take over Reagan National Airport for security purposes. [...]
13437 66 18_gilboa winning way15_Kaufman, Albert26_Albert.Kaufman@METROKC.GOV31_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:23:26 -0800220_iso-8859-1 Hey Batel,
I'd love to come help when it comes time to use hammers and nails.
I'm also good at swing lead on the guitar ....
Mazal Tov!
Albert Kaufman Seattle, WA albi@earthlink.net
13504 59 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:29:29 EST351_US-ASCII Ya know, if you only try what has worked before, not much new happens.
We seem all to be trapped. We have an intractable problem. My stategy in solving problems (which is basically what I do for a living) is first understand what causes the problem and then suggest ways in which that root cause might be overcome/redressed, etc. [...]
13564 38 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:34:19 EST347_US-ASCII Now we're on to something. Even if we can't heal the rift with our half brothers, undertanding our borrowings from one another isn't a bad place to start.
By the way I know that the rift valley runs up the Jordan river valley, I just can't think of anyhting clever to connect it to our cultural rift with our fellow semites. Dennis
13603 30 14_Re: No Subject0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:35:58 EST87_US-ASCII Now you see because that's a joke on us. Its funny. Well, ok, humorous. Dennis
13634 46 8_airports16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:49:19 -0500334_us-ascii In Habonet 2085, Steve Hancoff wrote
> This will, of course, require that > the name of the airport be changed to Hebrew National. > I suppose this means, in the parlance of Don Imus, that Hebrew National could also be the new airline that is (as Billy Sol Hargis would have claimed) The Wings of HIM. (or is it hymn?)
13681 24 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:45:28 EST404_US-ASCII Talking about the 99 names and heaven, etc. Where did this idea of 70 come from? One version is that if you die a martyr, you get 70 virgins to have sex with (personally I like more experienced women), Other versions say that 70 members of your family will get into heaven, What is truth here and where did this idea of martyrdom in Muslim culture come from theologically and historically? [...]
13706 20 36_Re: Interesting article on the Koran0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:46:31 EST453_US-ASCII Yes, Jewish mysticism has close ties to Sufism and other Islamic mystical traditions.
Jack Nusan porter
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13727 80 30_Attention all L.A. Habochevreh0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:14:25 EST339_US-ASCII
Dear Habochevreh in L.A.,
We are convening a Kumsitz on Saturday night, Dec. 22nd, at the home of Zev and Yael Yaroslavsky which is centrally located. Please bring instruments, shironim, songs in mind that you want to sing, and either baked goods, munchies, or beverages at 8:30 PM ready to schmooze and sing. [...]
13808 20 16_Kumsitz addendum0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:41:37 EST537_US-ASCII Point of clarification: The L.A. Kumsitz is for Habonim alumni only - perhaps the next one will be for chanichim as well, but this one is just for "graduates" - hope to hear from lots of you.
ACC
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13829 16 20_Re: Kumsitz addendum0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:59:10 EST377_US-ASCII I'll be there....with your guitar......suz
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13846 94 25_"Promises" on PBS tonight14_David Friedman18_david@friedart.com31_Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:32:15 -0800641_ISO-8859-1 FYI: Tonight on PBS's show P.O.V. there is a documentarty that a friend of mine in San Francisco saw at a film festival and said was well worth watching. Check local listings for times. Here's some info:
http://www.pbs.org/pov/promises/
What is it really like to live in Jerusalem? PROMISES offers touching and fresh insight into the Middle East conflict when filmmakers Shaprio, Goldberg and Bolado travel to this complex and charged city to see what seven children ‹ Palestinian and Israeli ‹ think about war, peace and just growing up. Living within 20 minutes of each other, these children are nevertheless [...]
13941 37 28_HaChama MeRosh Ha'ilanot....0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:43:27 EST544_US-ASCII It is Friday afternoon, around 4:30 and I am alone in the office- Bach playing on the radio, the sky full of pinks, grays and blue from impending storms...the man who just left, Sylvan, is from Casablanca and may begin working here on the monthly paper. We kept looking at each other - each thinking we must know each other from somewhere. It finally dawned on him that we met at the Levis that shabbat of Sukkot when I visited my friend Candice's home for a real Sephardic Shabbat lunch that lasted 6 hours ( when I got a little [...]
13979 24 32_Re: HaChama MeRosh Ha'ilanot....0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:53:01 EST330_US-ASCII Shabbat shalom back at ya, Susie and everyone~!
BTW, it's the ENERGIZER bunny
Did anyone see POV on PBS last night? It was about Israeli and Arab children and was absolutely wonderful. If we could get the kids together, I think all kinds of good stuff might happen. There IS hope.......eventually. [...]
14004 38 23_Re: HABONET digest 208812_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:49:04 +0200585_us-ascii Debbie, It's true and it's better than a documentary. Our granddaughters Noa and Barr go to a bi-cultural Hebrew Arab school. This week was a delight with the end of Ramadan and Hanukkah and the impending Christmas all very much in evidence and accepted. Rambam and the Talmud wrote that with evil and good manifestations weighing in before the heavenly court the world hangs in the balance (what, already then? ) One moral action or one evil deed can make the difference. There we go - back to the categorical imperative. Have I smiled at one of Noa's classmates today? [...]
14043 16 18_Eveready-energizer0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:18:47 EST383_US-ASCII Thanks Deb - I was having a "senior moment"--sue
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14060 28 7_Re: POV11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:43:53 -0500382_us-ascii DebALev@aol.com wrote:
> ... > > Did anyone see POV on PBS last night? It was about Israeli and Arab children > and was absolutely wonderful. If we could get the kids together, I think all > kinds of good stuff might happen. There IS hope.......eventually. >
Did anyone happen to tape this? Especially someone in the DC area from whom I might borrow it? [...]
14089 34 7_Re: POV8_Pristoop22_cpristoo@mail.bcpl.net31_Sat, 15 Dec 2001 16:24:06 -0500501_us-ascii Same question as Noam--Baltimore area. Allan Pristoop
At 02:43 PM 12/15/01 -0500, you wrote: >DebALev@aol.com wrote: > > > ... > > > > Did anyone see POV on PBS last night? It was about Israeli and Arab > children > > and was absolutely wonderful. If we could get the kids together, I > think all > > kinds of good stuff might happen. There IS hope.......eventually. > > > >Did anyone happen to tape this? Especially someone in the DC area from >whom I might borrow it? > >Noam > [...]
14124 16 7_Re: POV0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:52:53 EST351_US-ASCII Ditto in LA....s
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14141 20 7_Re: POV0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:35:01 EST549_US-ASCII This show is reappearing in New York on Monday morning at 1 AM - as the website that people sent out over Habonet for this show doesn't seem to work, check out www.tvguide or call your local pbs station.
ACC
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14162 18 44_IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 09:11:36 -0500465_us-ascii
Can anyone provide the skinny on the group "IMRA - Independent Media Review and Analysis"? What is their agenda/slant/etc?
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14181 33 13_people finder11_Lon Ephraim14_cbma@erols.com31_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:22:54 -0800495_us-ascii I am posting this to habonet because I can't find the specific address I need.
When I check out the peoplefinder, I always go to In Memoriam (must be because I'm almost 50 and look at the obits instead of the wedding section of the paper). Anyway, I am wondering if a little more biographical information could be included there, especially if the deceased are from multigenerational Habonim families. I often see names of people who could be parents/siblings of my chevre. [...]
14215 20 17_Re: people finder0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:26:04 EST355_US-ASCII Shelly- Could you let Judy know about the kumsitz this coming Saturday at Zev Yarolsavksy's???? Tell her Aliyah is coming in from New York- we would love to have her there!!!- She can call me or email me for directions- let me know what she says--I can't seem to find her phone number or email address...Is she in the peoplefinder???? Susie [...]
14236 22 31_please remove from mailing list15_MENDY MENDELSON24_frenchhorn90@hotmail.com31_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:05:31 +0000574_-
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14259 37 13_Please Remove0_18_JulieM2007@aol.com29_Sun, 16 Dec 2001 21:30:06 EST181_US-ASCII Hi Please remove julieM2007 from mailing list. I am getting all kinds of eMails addressesd to other people, including to habonet.
Thank you,
Julie Morgenstern
14297 500 27_Article on Araafat's speech13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:45:28 -0500275_us-ascii Dear Chevreh- This was sent to me by a friend who follows events in the Middle East very carefully. I don't know the publication's slant or who Qaddumi is. What do you think? B'shalom- Judy Gelman
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25714
14798 49 31_Re: Article on Araafat's speech0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:32:17 EST525_US-ASCII I see the guy in the cartoon with the sign board that says the world is about to end. I want to repeat the Mao quote from the article here, and make a reference to there always being a market for the coming of the end of what is and its replacement by the ideal of what we desire. The reported content of his guy's speech fits neatly into that category. From the pu blication standpoint the article will sell papers to those like us who live in fear that something like this could happen and those who long for [...]
14848 100 37_The Zionist Election and Yasir Arafat0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:49:07 EST453_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom
If I could prove to you that there was an important connection between the upcoming Zionist election and the decisions that will be made by Arafat to clamp down on terrorist cells and actively seek to rebuild confidence among Israelis in his "newfound" determination to negotiate a fair and comprehensive settlement, would you register to vote in the Zionist election and register 10 more of your family and friends? [...]
14949 25 17_Re: people finder0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:35:17 EST457_US-ASCII Hi:
The "owner" of Peoplefinder, the Habonim Dror Foundation, does not, as a matter of course, maintain the "In Memoriam" section. When asked, Jessica Silver, our Exec. Director, does add information on individuals. The Peoplefinder is edited and updated by everyone who has information to share - and that includes the "In Memoriam" section. As has been said before in this forum, everyone should participate in this task and service. [...]
14975 50 16_Where's "Carma"?13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com37_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:23:49 -0800 (PST)487_us-ascii In the fall, I received a shockingly mean-spirited email from Carma9785@aol.com .
He/she attacked me most cruelly for the fact that I had posted messages to Habonet at all! He/she did not attack a position or opinion I had voiced. He/she attacked me simply for posting at all!
Bad "Carma" did not identify him/herself. I wrote back, politely, to ask why they had done this and who they are.I received no reply. At a later date, I tried again. Still no reply. [...]
15026 32 20_Re: Where's "Carma"?0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:30:15 EST298_US-ASCII Aubrey, I looked up this email addy in the AOL member directory, and there's no profile of this Carma------so I can't help you.
If Brian Cooper doesn't know who she/he is, then Carma is not a habonet member. That means that someone else on the list has shown Carma your posts. [...]
15059 56 20_Re: Where's "Carma"?0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:34:33 EST365_US-ASCII In a message dated 12/17/01 11:31:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, DebALev@aol.com writes:
> That means that someone else on the list has shown Carma your posts. >
Or someone has more than one address. Anyway, Shamash didn't know who it is either.
Sorry,
----------------------------- Brian Cooper brianscoop@aol.com
15116 26 31_Re: Article on Araafat's speech0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 00:46:42 EST487_US-ASCII In a message dated 12/17/01 4:44:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, gelman@erols.com writes:
> This was sent to me by a friend who follows events in the Middle East > very carefully. I don't know the publication's slant or who Qaddumi is. > What do you think?
Just from the commentary section of the web site, it looks to me as if this publication is very Christian Conservative, including the all-encompassing Clinton-bashing, Harry Potter as "evil," etc. [...]
15143 47 28_In Memoriam on People Finder11_Sam Bergman22_bergman@mindspring.com31_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:01:56 -0500454_us-ascii Chevre,
We created an "in Memoriam" section on People Finder because the database "knows" when people are deceased, so why not let everyone else know? When you click on "in Memoriam" a list of all those who have passed away is displayed, and when you click on someone's name, information about him/her from the database is displayed. We also added a section allowing ANYONE to add some additional words/info about a deceased person. [...]
15191 46 20_Re: Where's "Carma"?11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:17:36 -0500572_us-ascii
DebALev@aol.com wrote:
> Aubrey, I looked up this email addy in the AOL member directory, and there's > no profile of this Carma------so I can't help you. > > If Brian Cooper doesn't know who she/he is, then Carma is not a habonet > member. That means that someone else on the list has shown Carma your posts. > > Frankly, I don't think that's quite kosher; as you may know, I never forward > anything without asking the permission of the original poster first. It is > against netiquette and is rude (to say the least) to every other [...]
15238 35 20_Re: Where's "Carma"?0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 09:30:19 EST312_US-ASCII . Google recently put up its usenet archive (essentially a collection of mailing lists) and I can find a technical question I asked from 1989 there. If you want to keep it private, don't put it on the net.
Anyone can go to the Shamash site and review the archives of any of the lists there. [...]
15274 41 48_Re: Where's "Carma"? - how/where to report abuse11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:49:52 -0500377_us-ascii
aubrey jasper wrote:
> In the fall, I received a shockingly mean-spirited > email from Carma9785@aol.com . >
Most ISPs have an address you can contact when you feel you are receiving abuse from one of their uses. In general one can usually send email to "postmaster@ispname.whatever". For AOL, the specific addresses are as follows: [...]
15316 22 48_Re: Where's "Carma"? - how/where to report abuse0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 11:52:30 EST514_US-ASCII Most ISPs have an address you can contact when you feel you are receiving abuse from one of their uses.
Good suggestion. Thanks Noam.
brian cooper ------------------
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15339 140 32_Re: In Memoriam on People Finder21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy19_tsippi@mediaone.net31_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:33:18 -0800517_us-ascii Dear Sam,
You are absolutely right that each of us is responsible for updates. In order to made it a wee bit easier for some of us to use, could instructions for accessing People Finder be included in the boilerplate text of the monthly FAQs sent to all on Habonet?
I was shocked and saddened to learn from your posting about Rami. The two of you (and your girlfriends of the time, Dina z"l and Aviva Gillon) were a big part of what made my first years at Naame (later Gilboa) such a joy. [...]
15480 34 11_Many Thanks13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com37_Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:10:55 -0800 (PST)568_us-ascii I want to thank Deb, Brian and Noam for responding swiftly, supportively and helpfully to my quest for "Carma".
Each of you made me feel much better simply by caring enough to respond to my request.
In addition, the info you provided is quite helpful.
Many thanks, my friends!
Aubrey
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15515 94 32_Re: In Memoriam on People Finder14_Tana Hemingway16_tanah@zianet.com31_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:57:55 -0700465_us-ascii Chevre, I'm sure someone has already told us, but please review: 1) address or however one reaches "people finder" and 2) how one goes about making additions once one has found someone In the Memorium section. Surely there are people in it about whom I could write something. For example, I remember David Breslau very well, while he was in New York, etc.. But in his case it was already said very nicely on Habonet...including much more than I knew. [...]
15610 57 32_Re: In Memoriam on People Finder0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:17:55 EST334_US-ASCII tanah@zianet.com writes:
> Chevre, > I'm sure someone has already told us, but please review: > 1) address or however one reaches "people finder" and > 2) how one goes about making additions
Perhaps we can add these instructions to the Habonet monthly FAQ. Sam, if you send them to me I will work on that. [...]
15668 25 11_Re: HAtikva17_Rena Cheskis-Gold16_renacg@ntplx.net31_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:03:27 -0500327_us-ascii I thought you would all enjoy this. I was listening to Spinner.com (music on the Internet) and heard a jazz version of Hatikva (or, perhaps of the original central European song that Hatikva was taken from). It's really nice!
Album: Make me a Memory Artist: Manhattan Trinity (hmmm, Trinity?) Song: Moldau [...]
15694 32 19_Re: More on Hatikva17_Rena Cheskis-Gold16_renacg@ntplx.net31_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:44:53 -0500506_us-ascii More on Hatikva,
My sister Aliya reports:
Hatikva comes from The Moldau ( a river in central europe) by Bedrich Smetana which is why it says Moldau in the listing you sent.
I wish that Trinity would be riffing off of Hatikva, but, in this case, i'm sure they happened on a nice classical piece called The Moldau. By the way, The Moldau only has the beginning of the Hatikva theme, and it's syncopated rather than straight up. The author of Hatikva wrote the second half. [...]
15727 32 28_Israeli bookstore Manhattan?9_Martin S.20_emskol@bellsouth.net31_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:33:06 -0500469_iso-8859-1 Hi
Does anyone in Manhattan know of an Israeli bookstore - especially on the UWS? There are plenty of Judaica places, but are there any places in Manhattan (anywhere) to buy popular Israeli novels (in Hebrew).
Also, what Hebrew-English dictionary would anyone recommend for a serious language student?
Appreciate your responses.
Martin Skolnik
"Tomorrow is what you believe and do today." -Dr. Richard Schulze [...]
15760 26 37_Connections to a school in Jerusalem?13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:58:26 -0500552_us-ascii Dear Chevreh- After 9/11, many schools here in DC got cards from schools all over the world. I think this is what sparked one of the classes in our synagogue hebrew school to make cards for children in ISrael after the suicide bombings in Jerusalem. Anyway, they gave them to me to send to a school in Israel. Now I need a school that might be appreciative. Does anyone out there have connections to a school in Israel that fits the bill? I need an real address because these are on construction paper, not on email.. Thanks- Judy Gelman [...]
15787 30 41_Re: Connections to a school in Jerusalem?0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:40:15 EST182_US-ASCII Please contact me personally. My neice is in Israel right now working on aa program to connect day schools here with specific schools in Israel. I'm sure she could help you.
15818 67 19_Great News out west15_Kaufman, Albert26_Albert.Kaufman@METROKC.GOV31_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:43:27 -0800391_iso-8859-1 Hey Ya'all! Yala! They've decided to close the Hanford Nuclear Reactor in Washington State FOR GOOD!
This is something that we've been working on for years out here. It's one of the biggest clean-up situations in the world and they were thinking of reopening the reactor to make medical isotopes. Yesterday was a big day for the environmental community and the world. [...]
15886 66 37_And an article explaining the closing15_Kaufman, Albert26_Albert.Kaufman@METROKC.GOV31_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:09:08 -0800155_iso-8859-1 Sorry, forgot to include this link.
http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/51363_hanf20.shtml
Albert Kaufman Seattle
15953 157 48_Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:15:42 EST457_US-ASCII
In a message dated 12/20/01 12:20:47 AM, RBrenowitz1 writes:
<< Israel's loss of income from tourism and related industries is acute. Without moving far from your desk, you can help support some of Israel's vendors, purchasing from Israel via the web.
Click and shop. Then add to the impact by forwarding this email to family and friends. Bring the list to local stores who might be willing to carry these gift products. [...]
16111 55 34_Gas companies do make a difference16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Thu, 20 Dec 2001 18:08:31 -0500484_us-ascii A STEP WE CAN EACH TAKE IN LIGHT OF 9/11
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time someone fills up the tank, they (you) are sending money to people who are trying to kill us, our families, our friends and neighbors. It turns out that some oil companies import a lot of middle eastern oil and others do not import any. All Americans should know which oil companies are the best ones to buy their gas from and which are buying from our enemies. [...]
16167 16 23_Re: Great News out west0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Fri, 21 Dec 2001 04:15:55 EST377_US-ASCII Y'asher koach, Albert and compatriots! ACC
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16184 347 48_Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy19_tsippi@mediaone.net31_Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:37:28 -0800616_us-ascii Did anyone else keep getting an error message from Hotmail when trying to access these links?
Tsippi
At 10:15 AM 12/20/01, you wrote:
>In a message dated 12/20/01 12:20:47 AM, RBrenowitz1 writes: > ><< Israel's loss of income from tourism and related industries is acute. >Without moving far from your desk, you can help support some of Israel's >vendors, purchasing from Israel via the web. > >Click and shop. Then add to the impact by forwarding this email to family >and friends. Bring the list to local stores who might be willing to carry >these gift products. > >Order soon, [...]
16532 127 38_Politically Correct Season's Greetings13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Fri, 21 Dec 2001 16:37:48 +0200720_windows-1255 Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all; and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2002, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of [...]
16660 51 20_RE: Where's "Carma"?12_Dave Edelman21_docdave@optonline.net31_Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:42:56 -0500550_us-ascii Debbie,
There is also the possibility that someone could have read the archives which are open for the entire world to enjoy.
Dave ("doc") Edelman
-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of DebALev@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:30 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Where's "Carma"?
Aubrey, I looked up this email addy in the AOL member directory, and there's no profile of this Carma------so I can't help you. [...]
16712 33 48_Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online0_16_Aborciah@aol.com29_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 03:11:21 EST112_US-ASCII Yes...I had the same problem...checked several of the links and got error messages on all.
Anita
16746 49 48_Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy19_tsippi@mediaone.net31_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:14:10 -0800296_us-ascii Funny, tonight I had no trouble accessing all the links...
Shabbat Shalom, hope to see Southern Californians at the kumsitz.
Tsippi
At 12:11 AM 12/22/01, you wrote: >Yes...I had the same problem...checked several of the links and got error >messages on all. > >Anita
16796 34 48_Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online11_Noam Stopak19_stopak@orionsci.com31_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:30:11 -0500503_us-ascii I think some browsers wrapped the lines so the links are incomplete. You may need to do some cut and paste to load them into your browser's location area.
"Tsippi (Frances) Rudy" wrote:
> Funny, tonight I had no trouble accessing all the links... > > Shabbat Shalom, hope to see Southern Californians at the kumsitz. > > Tsippi > > At 12:11 AM 12/22/01, you wrote: > >> Yes...I had the same problem...checked several of the links and got error messages on all. >> >> Anita > [...]
16831 36 24_Yiddish Musical notation0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 11:28:58 EST364_US-ASCII Dear chevreh:
At he last UAHC (Reform) Conference in Boston (which was a tremendous experience by the way), there was a great concert with Jeff Klepper, Debbie Friedman, and others. While there i met the great Velvel Pasternak and an idea came to me, in fact several. Pasternak is a wonderful publisher of Hebrew and yiddish and Jewish music. [...]
16868 39 18_Israeli Gift Links6_Yvette22_stern@hrconsultant.com31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:40:24 -08001045_US-ASCII To all who couldn't get to the Israeli gift sites -- it's because the URLs were incorrectly provided. Try these:
http://www.israelcraft.com http://www.israelshop1.com http://www.israel-music.com/israel_music-homepage.cfm http://www.aleidafna.co.il http://www.israelbooks.com http://www.rotem.net/misc.html http://www.jerusalemgifts.com http://www.thesourceisrael.com/current http://www.cegi.org http://www.jpoststore.com http://www.cegi.org http://heaven-land.virtualave.net http://www.israeldirect.co.il http://israelvisit.co.il http://www.jerusalemgifts.com http://www.esek.com/tradition http://www.israeliwishes.com http://www.thesourceisrael.com/current http://www.shorashim.net
Yvette Borcia
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16908 582 32_Re: Help Israel / click and shop11_Jared Matas22_jaredmatas@hotmail.com31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 05:05:56 -0800587_- Shalom,
I hope that everyone who chooses to support Israel through their consumption habits will also take the extra effort to distinguish between products 'made in israel' and goods produced by the Jewish settlements in the Occupied Territories. It's one thing to support Israel. However it is competely different to support the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza which have unfortunately proven to be successful in fulfilling their reason d'etre - 'facts on the ground,' fueling the fire of antagonism and the cycle of violence, undermining Israeli peace initiatives. [...]
17491 50 32_Re: Help Israel / click and shop0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 08:52:44 EST374_US-ASCII Excellent point Jared. Thanks.
> I hope that everyone who chooses to support Israel through their consumption > > habits will also take the extra effort to distinguish between products > 'made > in israel' and goods produced by the Jewish settlements in the Occupied > Territories.
----------------------------- Brian Cooper brianscoop@aol.com
17542 36 25_chilling Palestinian poem7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:03:57 +0200529_iso-8859-1 POEM OF INCITEMENT > A poem on martyrdom, entitled "Because I Am a Palestinian," was published > recently by "Palestinian Islamic Jihad" weekly and translated by > MEMRI. Excerpts: > > ...My fate is to become a human bomb > Because I am a Palestinian. > ...Either I will meet Allah by means > of perfume and musk [the scent of a martyr's corpse] > Or I will live on my land in freedom and honor. > Much to your distress, we will not forget Haifa and Acre > To your distress, all of Palestine is ours > ...We have [...]
17579 249 47_'Pragmatic Palestinian' Draws Road Map to Peace16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:08:49 -0500104_us-ascii
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/23/international/middleeast/23JERU.html?pagewanted=print
17829 60 38_Re: Gas companies do make a difference8_Pristoop22_cpristoo@mail.bcpl.net31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:04:58 -0500573_us-ascii Appreciate the information. It's easy enough to stop at Citgo and Sunoco. Allan Pristoop
At 06:08 PM 12/20/01 -0500, you wrote: >A STEP WE CAN EACH TAKE IN LIGHT OF 9/11 > >Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time someone >fills up the tank, they (you) are sending money to people who are trying >to kill us, our families, our friends and neighbors. It turns out that >some oil companies import a lot of middle eastern oil and others do not >import any. All Americans should know which oil companies are the best >ones to buy their [...]
17890 103 48_RE: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:58:47 -0800468_us-ascii Tsippi
Sorry I missed you and the bunch last night. I wish they'd get on with perfecting the cloning stuff. We'd never have to miss something so important and fun. How was it?
Steve Klein -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Tsippi (Frances) Rudy Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 2:14 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Everyone can help Israel. Buy Israeli online [...]
17994 68 32_Peace from the bottom to the top11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 20:14:41 -0600383_us-ascii Peace from the bottom to the top
By Akiva Eldar
Ehud Barak said at the Herzliya conference on national security that there's nobody to talk to on the Palestinian side. Like most of the audience at the conference last week, the outgoing leader of the "peace camp" forgot to put into the equation the elements of the occupation and the settlements. [...]
18063 142 11_Merry Xnika0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 01:33:26 EST644_US-ASCII Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: Merger
Continuing the current trend of large-scale mergers and acquisitions, it was announced today at a press conference that Christmas and Chanukah will merge. An industry source said that the deal had been in the works for about 1300 years.
While details were not available at press time, it is believed that the overhead cost of having twelve days of Christmas and eight days of Hanukkah was becoming prohibitive for both sides. By combining forces, we're told, the world will be able to enjoy consistently high-quality service during the Fifteen Days of [...]
18206 299 74_Israel website info sites: article comparing Palestinian sites to Israel's7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:00:24 +0200586_windows-1255 following is a translation by my cousin Jonatan Silverman of an article from Yediot, which I found quite shocking. Could Habonim and other youth movements get involved in this effort? It would seem the Zionist Youth Council in New York could activate such a site. pearl > > Yediot Ahronot. Sabbath Supplement. Dec. 14, 2001. p. 20 > > THE GENERALS RETURN FIRE ON THE INTERNET > > Thousands Of Pro Palestinian Websites > Are Rewriting History On The Internet > And Beating Israel In The Digital Arena # > “This Is A Fateful Battle”, Say Former > Intelligence Officers, [...]
18506 253 37_FWD: FW: from freidle [Fwd: research]11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 24 Dec 2001 16:46:57 -0600721_ISO-8859-1
The following is from my cousin Charlie Lerner from Raanana. Rozzie Barland
Dear family and friends > >The following is the results of seeing Fradle at the Yiddish song chug. > >Please fill out the form and send it back to Fradle directly - also >please feel free to pass it on to whomever who also attended schools and >camps (Fradel said that she has received different responses from people >who shared the same experience) > >Charlie > >-------- Original Message -------- > >Subject: research >Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 08:12:52 -0500 (EST) >From: FradleF@aol.com >To: cil_jsl@netvision.net.il, adileah@netvision.net.il, >banai@zahav.net.il,leah@ourfamilyroots.net, allenz@justice.gov.il, [...]
18760 49 26_Looking for Robert Kenneth0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 13:43:15 EST506_US-ASCII Hi Haboneters:
No, this isn't a joke. I have gone through life with people either seriously or jokingly calling me Robert Kenneth, instead of Kenneth Bob.
Well, recently I received a letter from a graduate of Hechalutz Hatzair assuming I was a former movcement chaver named......Robert Kenneth. I figured I would reach out to the Habonet crowd on this lovely Christmas day and see if anyone knows of Mr. Kenneth. He was a NY based leader of Hechalutz Hatzair based in New York. [...]
18810 34 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:45:09 EST572_US-ASCII I think he was a waiter at "21"--just a Holiday joke--jackie porter
P.S. I have happy new year's news: I've just been named an associate producer for a film to be directed by two LA directors and it deals wit the Soviet Jewish Partisans. It's a documentary. The job of the producer is to find "gelt"--the budget is minimally $110K, maximally $500K. Anyone who can speak to "people of wealth" or even those who wish to give as little as $100 can help make a movie about Jewish resistance during the Holocaust and why it has been denied, ambivalated (I [...]
18845 37 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth14_The Bernhardts24_miriam_b@neve-ilan.co.il31_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:47:20 +0200575_us-ascii If Robet Kenneth is of retirement age, then it may be the man who was for years at the Faculta of Hebrew U. in Rehovot, or at the Volcani Institute. This Robert Kenneth was a plant pathologist or a mycologist. Miriam
KBob24@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Haboneters: > > No, this isn't a joke. I have gone through life with people either > seriously or jokingly calling me Robert Kenneth, instead of Kenneth > Bob. > > Well, recently I received a letter from a graduate of Hechalutz > Hatzair assuming I was a former movcement chaver named......Robert > Kenneth. [...]
18883 23 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth11_Sam Bergman22_bergman@mindspring.com31_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:28:52 -0500391_us-ascii Ken, A quick look at the Israel White Pages (htpp://www.bezeq.co.il) shows that there 20+ Kenneths listed, the closest being a Reuven Kenneth in Rishon (which matches Miriam's info on his working in the area south of Tel Aviv. The number: 03-951-9993. (If your browser displays Hebrew but your keyboard doesn't type it, Bezeq has a super "virtual keyboard" on their site). Sam [...]
18907 54 28_Looking for: Moshe Eisenberg11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:54:33 -0800392_us-ascii Hi Sam
I assume you were at the kumsitz Saturday? If so, sorry I missed you, and it.
I tried to access Bezeq's site from my machine. It wouldn't do it. I am looking for an old friend from 30 years ago. We worked together in an Israeli Juvenile Hall called Mitspe Yam, in Nof Yam, or Apallonia. His name is Moshe Eisenberg. Do you, or anyone, know how to find him? [...]
18962 31 26_Re: Looking for Jan Peerce0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:26:41 EST534_US-ASCII Yes, Chevreh,
I know that Jan Peerce is dead, but I'm visiting my cousin, a rabbi out here in San Diego, whose entire house and belongings burned down in a fire 5 years ago. One of his favorite possessions was an album he had since high school of Jan Peerce singing "chazonus" - I think the album was entitled "High Holidays" - it has a picture of Peerce on the front in his chazzan's garb with a grey background. My cousin will pay a good price either to purchase an old copy of the album or for anyone who owns [...]
18994 23 26_Re: Looking for Jan Peerce0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:17:34 EST407_US-ASCII I was in NYC recently and met a guy selling records (an Afro-American surprisingly) at Times Square near the NYTimes building 229 West 43rd. St. he knew all about old records and where to find them. I've seen the record--try The Israel Boook Shop in Brookline, Mass. I'll look too. I'm certain it can be found in an old record store in Manhattan. everything can be found in Manhattan, Aliyah! [...]
19018 26 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:21:40 EST390_US-ASCII AS FOR LOOKING FOR PEOPLE: I'm tryingto track down an old flame last seen in Tarzana, in the valley, California. I think she is still out there but i don't know her married name and number. Her name when I went out with her was Eileen ross from Skokie, Illinois. I'd love it it if someone in LA knew her--she had a brother I think called bob (Robert) Ross, a mom and dad too. [...]
19045 27 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:31:58 EST405_US-ASCII Jackie......When you hear Russian songs, do you suffer?
I have the album in question by Bikel.....I think it's called "Theodore Bikel in Concert." It has "Kretchma" and "Digging the Weans" and "Nichevo," along with a rousing version of "Rad Halayla."
Unfortunately, it is with all my earthly belongings in a storage locker in Ann Arbor, Michigan and I happen to be in Seattle. [...]
19073 74 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:44:50 +0200597_us-ascii Pearl, This is an appeal to you to stop inflicting us with chapter and verse proving the inhumanity of the Palestinians. There are some dreadful murderers among them. We have a number of would be assassins, too. But you have a viciously monochromatic palette. Blood red -- us. Murderous black hearts -- them. I can't imagine what devil you wish to exorcise. But we are subjected, all of us on the list, to your lachrymose demonization of the other. In countermeasure to your unearthing unknown Palestinian suicide bombers I offer you two well know Israeli poets, Amir Gilboa and the [...]
19148 37 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:22:53 EST280_US-ASCII amnon-- while i am always moved by the poetry you post here, i am also moved by those sent in by others. perhaps pearl's submissions may move me differently, yet we would be remiss not to recognize that there is a wide range of palestinian cultures out there.
lisa
19186 51 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 14:50:07 EST405_US-ASCII My two cents. There are good guys and gals on all sides of all issues. If we attempt to give a measure of time and attention to each side, we make no point at all. It is an unfortunate reality that we must each take a point of view - our own or some other and explore that as others do the same from different points of view. This gives us the best chance of seeing the whole messy picture. [...]
19238 72 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 15:05:25 EST546_US-ASCII Lisa wrote:
> [..] we would be remiss not to recognize that there is > a wide range of palestinian cultures out there.
I can't agree with this. It has been all too painfully obvious what the dominant cultures will tolerate (on both sides, of course). Hence, the crushing trauma of the left ever since the collapse of Oslo and Intifada II; there appears to be -- as the right has averred for years -- "no one to talk to". So, any voice for peace or cooperation is a voice we need to hear. There, is after all, no other [...]
19311 31 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:38:50 EST99_US-ASCII Its a great and essential idea. There are obvious risks that merit some discussion. Dennis
19343 19 42_When You Hear russian Songs, Do you suffer0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:46:49 EST589_US-ASCII Debbie--you are right--it is that Bikel record from Elektra. I'm sure it's on CD but I'll check. The reason i like the record so much is that I give a short concert that includes several "cover songs' from that album. I love it. Jackie Porter. Thank you.
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19363 139 49_Fw: Unlock the Truth About Palestinian Incitement7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:28:38 +0200476_windows-1255 Listed below are the different news networks where you can send letters. If any of you are interested in joining in the effort to counteract Arab propaganda, this is your chance. Memsi's address is also listed below. We are finally being empowered by someone! My cousin Jonathan, who is deeply involved in the translation of anti-Israel material, lives in Brooklyn and can be contacted there at his email address: zalmanaron@msn.com b'virkat chaverim, pearl [...]
19503 32 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth8_Pristoop22_cpristoo@mail.bcpl.net31_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:34:08 -0500553_us-ascii I have 2 old Teddy Bikel albums--Songs of a Russian Gypsy, and A Harvest of Israeli Folksongs. Only song you mention that I have is Nichevo. Let me know if you want anything or get better offers. Allan Pristoop
At 11:21 AM 12/26/01 -0500, you wrote: >AS FOR LOOKING FOR PEOPLE: I'm tryingto track down an old flame last seen in >Tarzana, in the valley, California. I think she is still out there but i >don't know her married name and number. Her name when I went out with her was >Eileen ross from Skokie, Illinois. I'd love it it [...]
19536 20 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:54:37 EST435_US-ASCII Thanks for your help and suggestions - I will pass along to the searcher.
Regards,
Ken
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19557 102 40_Fw: Dismantle the Structure of Violence]18_Abba & Dvora Caspi16_adcaspi@home.com31_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:56:23 -0500334_iso-8859-1 To Brian and those who would like to talk about solutions through dialogue.
I thought this Email might be an example of dialogue about the political situation in Israel that takes place on the web. I agree with Pearl that it is often inflammatory and I agree with Amnon that the truth is out there to be found. [...]
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19691 17 38_Re: Gas companies do make a difference0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:10:14 EST476_US-ASCII >From that list, there is only one company- Amoci- which is located on the west coast- unless there are affiliates- Can you let us know?--Sue
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19709 30 14_Robert Kenneth14_The Bernhardts24_miriam_b@neve-ilan.co.il31_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:44:46 +0200548_us-ascii I spoke to Robert Kenneth today. The phone number given in the letter is the correct one. He is 80 and retired. I hadn't talked to him for a long time, but we had a very interesting coversation. I'm going to take the privilege of explaining why I knew who he was. My father was a plant pathologist on the research facultry for a number of years at the Agricultural Experiment Station at Texas A&M. At some point he and Robert communicated and arranged to send my father's papers (of which there were many) to the Faculta of Hebrew U. [...]
19740 20 24_Looking for Judy Glasner0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:06:32 EST348_US-ASCII I guess this a time for "looking"- so if anyone has any inofrmationn as to Judy Glasner's whereabouts, please email me ( She was from Baltimore Habonim-on the 11th Workshop, and had a younger sister, Ruthie, and an older brother and sister and her father was a rabbi)- The last I knew- she was in California and working for NBC...Sue [...]
19761 33 3_Re:0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:19:36 EST126_US-ASCII I don't know what this was - it arrived in gibberish, both in my plain text mailbox and my RTF mailbox.
Debbie
19795 50 46_RE: When You Hear russian Songs, Do you suffer12_Dave Edelman21_docdave@optonline.net31_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:16:51 -0500517_us-ascii I think that this might be the one you are looking for. It is the only one in the Elektra list that references Kretchma.
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Elektra EKL 175 [Mono] EKS 7175 [Stereo] - Released in 1959 Bravo Bikel! - Theodore Bikel Produced by Jac Holzman and Mark Abramson
Proschay; Buffalo Boy; Doce Cascabeles; Mul Har Sinai; Two Brothers; Harmonicas; Mot'l; Le Caissier; Barnyards O'Delgatty; Digging The Weans; Coplas; Sano Duso; Chemdat I; Kretchma; Nitchevo Nitchevo Nitchevo [...]
19846 122 40_Re: Dismantle the Structure of Violence]7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:17:54 +0200370_iso-8859-1 I probably would have an early heart attack if I participated in such a dialogue. I have quite enough with Habonet. pearl
----- Original Message ----- From: Abba & Dvora Caspi To: Cc: Na'ama Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Fw: Dismantle the Structure of Violence] [...]
19969 110 29_Re: chilling Palestinian poem7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:37:37 +0200565_iso-8859-1 Sorry to be "inflicting" upon you .... I send things I see that, being a graduate of this movement, I think would interest my fellow chaverim. Articles, poems (I do not write them) that people send me that give me a perspective that I do not receive from other sources. It is important to know what the Palestinians say themselves, not to nurse illusions and delusions of what the future can bring if only we act "correctly"...... I send things that I know we normally never have a chance to see and which are important to help us keep perspective, [...]
20080 65 59_Fw: Updates to "Learning Hebrew" websites, Hebrew song book7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:02:34 +0200583_iso-8859-1 for all you teachers out there doing "avodat kodesh!" shabbat shalom, pearl
From: Jacob Richman
Hi Everyone! > > This is a short email to let you know that I added > several new features to my "Learning Hebrew" websites: > > 1. My Hebrew Sign Maker - http://www.J.co.il > > There are now 3 additional fonts (in 2 sizes) available > for making Hebrew signs online without Hebrew system > support. The new fonts are: Script Font, Script Trace > Font, Script Trace + Arrow Font > The trace fonts are for learning how to write Hebrew. > [...]
20146 22 33_Bead and Crafts connection needed11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:11:12 -0800588_iso-8859-1 Hi, I'm looking to the Habonet community for anyone who has a connection to beads and/or imports beads, and the same for materials for arts and crafts projects. If you are in either of these businesses, please contact me directly.
Thanks, Batel
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20169 90 44_Fw: NetZ newsletter - the Scherzo/Sheer worm13_Yehuda Riemer20_aminadav@urim.org.il31_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:32:35 +0200708_Windows-1252
----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Schwartzberg To: Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: FW: NetZ newsletter - the Scherzo/Sheer worm
> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Schwartzberg [mailto:philip@urim.org.il] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 7:01 AM > To: Barbara Goldman > Subject: FW: NetZ newsletter - the Scherzo/Sheer worm > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dana [mailto:dana@invircible.co.il] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:25 PM > To: 'InVircible News' > Subject: NetZ newsletter - the Scherzo/Sheer worm > > > > Just a quick note to not spoil anyone's holidays [...]
20260 91 34_mexican chaver looking for ny alum0_18_Brianscoop@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:51:07 EST521_US-ASCII By sheer coincidence, I just received this remote "looking for" request. The person now lives in San Mateo, and I believe her name is Sandra Kahn. Her search request follows. If anyone can help, please let me know...
thanks, brian
> I am a Habonim alumni from Mexico City. I spent 1984-85 in Israel and I > would like to get in touch with some of my javerim fromo NY. Do you know > Michael Yaacob Young? Any suggestions of how I can find him and some of my > contemporaries from the NY Ken? > [...]
20352 25 15_Amnon and Pearl0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:48:42 EST598_US-ASCII I am a chanicha watching two of my favorite madrichim fight....It seems that no matter what Pearl posts on Habonet, she is shortsighted, insensitive, and prone to inciting references; and no matter what Amnon posts, he is eloquent, philosophical, insightful, and fair-sided. Knowing these two people- though from afar - , I can attest to the fact that at times they are mirors of themselves.... I only ask that both try and avoid personal attacks when possible. Personally, I love both, and when I see postings from them, I can't wait to read them. I have found Pearl's special links [...]
20378 75 30_Re: Looking for Robert Kenneth21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy19_tsippi@mediaone.net31_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:32:34 -0800632_us-ascii Dear Sam,
I tried using your link to Bezeq, but couldn't find the 'super "virtual keyboard" ' you mentioned. By the way, how do you say keyboard in Hebrew?
Kol tuv,
Tsippi
At 10:28 PM 12/25/01, you wrote: >Ken, >A quick look at the Israel White Pages (htpp://www.bezeq.co.il) >shows that there 20+ Kenneths listed, the closest being a >Reuven Kenneth in Rishon (which matches Miriam's info on his >working in the area south of Tel Aviv. The number: 03-951-9993. >(If your browser displays Hebrew but your keyboard doesn't type >it, Bezeq has a super "virtual keyboard" on their site). >Sam [...]
20454 30 19_Re: Amnon and Pearl0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:57:12 EST68_US-ASCII Amen, Amnon and a Pearl again from Suzie, Bravisimo. Dennis
20485 87 45_=?iso-8859-1?B?5PLh+OQ6IENoYW51a2FibGFuY2E=?=8_ericmoli25_ericmoli@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:06:27 +0200515_iso-8859-1
----- Original Message ----- From: Pnina Some To: Mollie Eric Marx ; Schwager Sema ; Malca Hubner ; Helen & Lionel Koven ; Shirley Promnick ; Barbara Norm Some ; Lillian Liss ; Sam Blatt ; Roni Some Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: Fw: Chanukablanca [...]
20573 78 7_Musings0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Sat, 29 Dec 2001 15:59:34 EST558_US-ASCII I find that I have had many occasions these last months to conclude that Islam is a dog religion. I see it as one demented man's effort to give status to his people and express an arab point of view in the context of the Jewish and Christian experience. It holds out the attraction of inevitability of triumph over the corrupted faiths of Christians and Jews whether by weight and wait of their own corruption, or by force of conquest and death. the Koran, its sacred book, is a collection of thoughts and stories on themes that are drawn from [...]
20652 18 9_essimonim0_14_Neal45@aol.com29_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:09:59 EST488_US-ASCII Chevre, just a simple grammatical question, what is the singular form of the word essimonim, the old telephone tokens we all used long ago. Neal Cassorla
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20671 30 13_RE: essimonim11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:12:44 -0800729_US-ASCII asimon
-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Neal45@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:10 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: essimonim
Chevre, just a simple grammatical question, what is the singular form of the word essimonim, the old telephone tokens we all used long ago. Neal Cassorla
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20702 36 13_RE: essimonim11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:50:39 -0800530_us-ascii Neal
There were never essimonim. They were asimonim, and they were generally made up of more than one asimon.
Steve Klein
-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Neal45@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:10 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: essimonim
Chevre, just a simple grammatical question, what is the singular form of the word essimonim, the old telephone tokens we all used long ago. Neal Cassorla [...]
20739 49 38_Re: Gas companies do make a difference14_Tana Hemingway16_tanah@zianet.com31_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:39:16 -0700485_us-ascii Also what about Shamrock? It is the cleanest and least expensive gas here in NM and west TX. Tanah
At 04:10 PM 12/27/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >From that list, there is only one company- Amoci- which is located on the >west coast- unless there are affiliates- Can you let us know?--Sue > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release Date: 11/24/01
20789 114 19_the campus again...16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:36:10 -0500624_us-ascii The following item was posted today on Israeline, the web news sheet of the Israeli Consulate in NYC:
> HILLEL, JEWISH AGENCY TO ESTABLISH CAMPUS ISRAEL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT > In a joint venture, Hillel and the Jewish Agency are slated to form a Department of Campus Israel Affairs to aid campuses battle > anti-Israel incitement, THE JERUSALEM POST reported. Hillel Director Richard Joel said that the new department will provide rapid > response when campuses go into crisis mode, as many did following the current wave of violence that started in 2000. > > The department will also arrange for [...]
20904 25 23_Re: the campus again...0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:55:01 EST530_US-ASCII Elihu:
I had some of the same thoughts when I saw this news iten today.
Does anyone have insight (or behind the scenes knowledge) of what is going on here?
Thanks,
Ken
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