1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet July 2001 2 27 22_Re: Worth considering?0_18_Judithb253@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:08:47 EDT591_US-ASCII I really wish someone would explain why it has consistently been OK for Prof. Baskin and everyone else to say we have to repatriate the Palestinians and/or pay reparations, and no one I've seen for a very long time mentions the hundreds of thousands of Jews quite literally kicked out of most Moslem countries after Israel became a state. If the historical records aren't a total lie, these people were not allowed to take their capital or most of their personal possessions, had homes and businesses confiscated, etc. Israel took in all those who wanted to come, and with all [...] 30 50 22_Re: Worth considering?0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 00:46:02 EDT567_US-ASCII Judy- I have often brought up this question to deaf ears...The first year of marriage, Dov and lived in Brooklyn and I did social work. One of my clients was a family from Egypt who had lost everything - it was just after '67. In Egypt- this Jewish man had wealth, a couple of homes, and a thriving business...His family had been in Egypt for centuries, and they had a construction and import/export companies.They also had five children and were told to get out and leave everything- or lose their lives. So they came to America- but both parents were [...] 81 41 22_Re: Worth considering?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:56:50 +0300644_iso-8859-1 This question could not be more politically correct, Judy. Never apologize for seeking justice. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Worth considering?



> I really wish someone would explain why it has consistently been OK for Prof. > Baskin and everyone else to say we have to repatriate the Palestinians and/or > pay reparations, and no one I've seen for a very long time mentions the > hundreds of thousands of Jews quite literally kicked out of most Moslem > countries after Israel became a state. If the historical [...] 123 154 22_Re: Worth considering?0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:31:40 EDT340_US-ASCII Judy your question is a call for equality of treatment - justice/equity.

Sue's jibe about the US and the world needing the gas and oil produced in the middle east is accurate as a political response. Certainly US policy in the middle east is based on self-interest. There is another component I think we might explore. [...] 278 76 25_Re: Bona fides for peace?0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 08:52:22 EDT322_US-ASCII I am a newcomer to Habonet. Eleventh Workshop. With due apologies for having missed the milllions of lines of better thought, more knowledgable history, and better references that have appeared on Habonet, it seems to me that a few what I think of as human behavior essentials are missing from the analysis. [...] 355 56 9_To Dennis0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:50:16 EDT565_US-ASCII For many years, I refused to say "Aleinu" in shul because of the section that states "She lo asanu kgoyei ha'aratzot"- when - after so many years of Zionist "brainswashing" I was taught that we wanted to be like everyone else with our own land, language, history, ideals, etc ( the old Kohn "Nationalism")...But we aren't- like I said before- No matter what we try and do- we aren't and never will be. And despite our idealistic dreams of being an "or lagoyim" and with all of the lessons of Pesach- (avadim hainu etc..etc. and so forth) it all comes [...] 412 112 13_Re: To Dennis0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 14:19:38 EDT573_US-ASCII Suzie.

I am always delighted and impressed by what you have to say. Each message I read is a gift. Thank you and please keep giving.

I have great problems with synagogue Judiasm. In my experience it presumes that the Jews who follow the ritual and observance as mandated in that sect of Judiasm, have the answer to the Jews relationship with God. My superficial reading of the bible convinces me that the object, more even, the sublime object of Judiasm is not to 'know' what is required by God, but to use all of your faculties, and the purity [...] 525 75 14_Re: Chosenness13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:30:05 -0400 601 30 14_Re: Chosenness0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:34:53 EDT95_US-ASCII A timely reference since Rabbi Kaplan's obituary is in today's New York Times.

632 25 14_Re: Chosenness0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 01:18:41 EDT553_US-ASCII

In a message dated 7/1/01 9:35:35 PM, DLerner569@aol.com writes:

>A timely reference since Rabbi Kaplan's obituary is in today's New York >Times. >

You mean Rabbi Eisenstein, don't you?

ACC

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In Habonet Digest 1931, you ask, "" ...why it has consistently been OK ... to say we have to repatriate the Palestinians and/or pay reparations, and no one I've seen for a very long time mentions the hundreds of thousands of Jews quite literally kicked out of most Moslem countries ... "" [...] 731 34 17_Re: Lion and Lamb0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:13:39 EDT154_US-ASCII Marty The analysis is cogent. Thank you :-). Please say more about the conclusion. Cold Peace? What is it? How is it achieved? Maintained? Dennis 766 52 25_Lion, Lamb and Mint Sauce13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:39:17 -0700 (PDT)637_us-ascii Dennis,

It seems to me that a "cold peace" is exactly what we have had with the Soviet Union/Russia and with Red China, ever since nuclear weapons made a direct major conflict (WW III) unappealing to all concerned.

The Cold War, of course, involved various proxy wars around the globe, and the Vietnam War, from 1945 until America's inglorious defeat. We made the mistake of involving ourselves directly in that one. It seems to me that an undeclared war, accomplished through deception, should have resulted in impeachment, conviction and imprisonment of all concerned, but that's another debate altogether. [...] 819 25 17_Re: Lion and Lamb14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il30_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:32:29 +0200570_iso-8859-1 I don't see why Israel has to address the Palestinian refugee problem at all, or even the idea of a Palestinian State. Remember, people, that between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was ruled by Jordan and the Gaza Strip was ruled by Egypt. They had plenty of time and opportunity to form an independant state, with the assistance and blessing of their Arab "brothers". Alas, the Arab world has been using the Palestinian as pawns in their political game for a hell of a long time, and they don't seem to ever want to stop. Pity the poor Palestinian....... [...] 845 39 17_Re: Lion and Lamb11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:53:32 -0400551_us-ascii Holtzer Family wrote:

> I don't see why Israel has to address the Palestinian refugee problem at > all, or even the idea of a Palestinian State. Remember, people, that > between 1948 and 1967, the West Bank was ruled by Jordan and the Gaza Strip > was ruled by Egypt. They had plenty of time and opportunity to form an > independant state, with the assistance and blessing of their Arab > "brothers". Alas, the Arab world has been using the Palestinian as pawns in > their political game for a hell of a long time, and they don't [...] 885 64 45_=?ISO-8859-1?B?4fLw6envOiBMaW9uIGFuZCBMYW1i?=11_mollie marx25_ericmoli@netvision.net.il30_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:49:58 +0300563_ISO-8859-1 I think that the item below has to be remembered and pass on to the press and by word of mouth to everyone one comes in contact with. One of our (many) problems is that though we know how to defend ourselves with "Action" we fail miserably on the physiological front. I have heard Israeli journalists and diplomats speaking in the most appalling English that it's no wonder we don't get our message across. And, I have yet to hear from any Israeli official, even once, tell the public the facts that are in this item, below. Stammer, stammer, cry [...] 950 63 10_chosenness7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:36:31 +0300505_windows-1255 Judy, I was once almost fired from a teaching position in a Reconstructionist temple because I asked the kids who was descended from cohenim, who from levi'im, and who from Israel. They don't recognize this differentiation. I looked at this as a way of encouraging identity with the past generations. To ignore or erase the past history of a people can only have a negative effect on children. I believe the rabbi of this temple later completely left the rabbinate. and his Jewish wife. pearl 1014 36 22_Re: Worth considering?0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com28_Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:15:53 EDT257_US-ASCII Sorry you are NOT politically incorect. Problem is no one wants to consider it because it is a simple truth and after all haven't the JEWS recieved all the reparations they deserve from the Germans. I guess I am no longer the peacenik I was. Baruch 1051 128 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Tue, 03 Jul 2001 02:32:02 -0400421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com

Hi Chevre,

Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...] 1180 73 20_Cohanim, Leviim, etc13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:17:52 -0400524_us-ascii Dear Pearl-

While it is true that Reconstructionists generally don't maintain the distinctions of cohanim, leviim and yisraelim for functions purposes, the topic is certainly not verboten in my congregation. I can't imagine anyone at the shul getting mad if someone raised this with the children.

However, it is a bit difficult to define and maintain the system in a totally egalitarian setting where women have totally equal status because whose status (mother or father's) defines the child's? [...] 1254 30 16_Re: Lashon HaRah0_15_Emabear@aol.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:12:56 EDT118_US-ASCII I would hope that you would have realized I was not speaking about child abuse, etc. That is not lashon hara. 1285 62 18_FW: Gidon Elad Z"L11_Dani Lamdan24_shaliach@habonimdror.org30_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:20:00 -0400576_iso-8859-1



-----Original Message----- From: owner-israelprograms@shamash.org [mailto:owner-israelprograms@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Elan Ezrachi Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:42 AM To: The NAA Israel Program Providers Listserv Subject: Gidon Elad Z"L



Friends,

I assume that many of you have already learned about the passing of our dear friend and teacher Gidon Elad. Gidon died last Saturday at his Kibbutz (Hatzerim) and was brought to rest on Sunday in a special kibbutz funeral that was attended by many hundreds of his friends. [...] 1348 69 42_Jewish Multiracial Family Network position0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:26:29 EDT830_ISO-8859-1 A Galil parent asked me to post this. You can check out the Jewish Multiracial Family Network at

http://www.multiracialjewishnet.org

Chaver Steve ================================================================

Announcing NEW full-time position with the

Jewish Multiracial Family Network



Position

Administrative Assistant

Responsibilities · Answer phones, respond to inquiries, and route calls · General clerical duties, i.e. running copies, filing and mailings · Help produce newsletter · Assist part-time professional · Maintain membership files and database · Program planning and scheduling · Support Network events, including annual educational conference in NYC, weekend retreat in CT, and a series of local events in New York, Boston and Washington, [...] 1418 21 24_Re: Cohanim, Leviim, etc0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:09:11 EDT293_US-ASCII I was at a bar mitzvah ceremony at the Fabrengen chavurah in Washington D.C. lately and wondered why they only did 5 aliyot on Shabbat instead of 7. Later I found out it's because they don't do Kohen and Levi so they start right off with Yisrael and keep going. Interesting, eh? [...] 1440 25 22_Re: FW: Gidon Elad Z"L0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 02:35:06 EDT397_US-ASCII Gidon Elad was oftimes a wonderful participant in Habonet even though he had never been in Habonim per se. He loved our politics and he loved a good debate. Gidon also had a terrific sense of humor and loved to pun. Can someone please let us all know if he was sick? I hadn't seen him on Habonet lately and didn't email him privately for quite awhile, but I didn't know he was sick. [...] 1466 97 20_Cohanim, Leviim, etc12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:30:46 +0200536_iso-8859-1 Judy, In explaining the feelings and practice of your synagogue about maintaining the historical hierarchy of a priestly class, a class of priestly attendants, and a working class majority ( the operative word is -working) of garden variety Israelites you wrote:

"So, you can see why we choose to drop the how [whole ?] thing as a functional distinction, even if you don't agree or support any of the other changes we made that got us to the point where this functional distinction was so difficult to maintain." [...] 1564 153 19_Women Taking Charge0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:37:17 EDT702_US-ASCII I thought this was pretty interesting. Would be interested in reactions.

Debbie

Wednesday, July 4, 2001

Emunah's new leader - no longer ashamed to call herself a feminist http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/htmls/kat10_4.htm

By Avirama Golan

On Monday afternoon, Leora Minke, a member of the central committee of the National Religious Party (NRP) and chair of the Tel Aviv branch of Emunah, went up to the stage at the Jerusalem Convention Center (Binyanei Ha'uma), and emotionally thanked the invited dignitaries - rabbis, ministers, Knesset members and public figures - for the congratulations she had received in honor of the new job. With the conclusion [...] 1718 51 43_Re: [EizorGalil] First update from Galil!!!0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:28:11 EDT486_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom

This summer, for the first time, Galil committed to providing parents with periodic online updates on activities at machaneh. This is the first online update. Your feedback (directly to me) is appreciated.

Chaver Steve ========================================================= In a message dated 7/5/01 12:03:55 AM, RoshGalil@yahoo.com writes:

<< Shalom parents, guardians, supporters, friends and everyone in the Camp Galil Community! [...] 1770 55 43_Re: [EizorGalil] First update from Galil!!!11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:26:38 -0700667_us-ascii Is there a way to make this happen with other machanot? Can someone from Galil offer help on how this is being done?

Batel

NEVETS2@aol.com wrote:

> Chevre, Shalom > > This summer, for the first time, Galil committed to providing parents with > periodic online updates on activities at machaneh. This is the first online > update. Your feedback (directly to me) is appreciated. > > Chaver Steve > ========================================================= > In a message dated 7/5/01 12:03:55 AM, RoshGalil@yahoo.com writes: > > << Shalom parents, guardians, supporters, friends and everyone in the Camp > Galil Community! > > Please [...] 1826 20 43_Re: [EizorGalil] First update from Galil!!!0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:31:38 EDT621_ISO-8859-1 This is a wonderful web site and a GREAT idea. I know my parents would really have appreciated a newsletter, and it might have given them the impetus to let me go on Workshop!

Wondering why there isn't a link to Tavor or the others, though, just Mosh and Na'aleh.

Debbie

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I recall a certain story (not appropos of Cohen, Levi)told to a group of Workshopers at a Kum Sitz. The story was long and meandering; its tone was rueful and I remember none of it, except the last line, which went, "at least, Amnon" (I'm known). Do you remember telling that shaggy dog story to 11th Workshop at Gesher Haziv? [...] 1869 28 16_Re: Lashon HaRah0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:10:43 EDT431_ISO-8859-1



In a message dated Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:13:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Emabear@aol.com writes:

<< I would hope that you would have realized I was not speaking about child abuse, etc. That is not lashon hara. >>

Of COURSE not, Ellen! I was just using that as an example of the extremes to which the concept could be applied and to try to put it in the context of reasonable questioning. [...] 1898 42 59_Fw: Off Topic: 25 websites about the 3 weeks and Tisha B'Av7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:36:20 +0300686_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: Off Topic: 25 websites about the 3 weeks and Tisha B'Av



> Shalom. > The three week Jewish mourning period prior to Tisha B'Av > starts this Sunday on the 17th of Tammuz. > There are 25 educational links about this period on > my Jewish hotsites at: > http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-hdayav.htm > > May this mournful period turn into a joyous one in the > near future. > > Jacob > > ------------------------ tachlis@shamash.org -----------------------+ > Hosted by Shamash: [...] 1941 64 18_Re: Gidon Elad Z"L0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:36:54 EDT346_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom

For someone such as myself who came to Habonim Dror and Labor Zionism later in life through my children, I have grown to cherish my mentors - those patient enough to help me through the labyrinth of past history and current programmatic and political developments that continue to engage Labor Zionists today. [...] 2006 38 63_Ami Cohen's TV Interview-Save a Child's Heart This Sunday on TV0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:28:21 EDT295_US-ASCII Ami Cohen's interview with Phil Blazer on "Israel Today" airs this Sunday in LA, Miami, and New York on the following channels and times: LA: KSCI Channel 18 from 4:30-5:00 PM Miami: WMPX PAX TV- from 10:30-11:00 AM New York and New Jersey: WMBC TV- Channel 63 from 4:30 - 5:00 PM...Sue 2045 20 11_information0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:50:18 EDT470_US-ASCII Does any one know how I can get a hold of modain in Israel of find a phone number. Is there an internet site.



Thanks Sam

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It's only in Hebrew.

Carmi

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Following the 50th Reunion of Habonim-Dror in 1985 biographical information of the participants and others was gathered to establish a database. This was extended during the 60th Reunion which took place at Kibbutz Gezer. I have continued to gather information since then through HABONET and other sources. At present there are 1571 names in the database of whom 1115 are active - i.e. not emigrated or deceased . Each entry contains address, phone number, e-mail (if there is [...] 2127 26 20_Re: Israel addresses0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:59:19 EDT298_US-ASCII Prof. Leo.........is there any way you could make that database available to the rest of us? I know you said a while ago that you offered it to the People Finder, but the two people I know on your database are NOT in the People Finder, so I can only assume that merging was not done. [...] 2154 30 20_Re: Israel addresses0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:50:31 EDT117_US-ASCII Or/Also- you could print a "Telephone Book" ...and sell it to those of us who are interested in it--???? Sue 2185 30 20_Re: Israel addresses0_18_DLerner569@aol.com28_Sun, 8 Jul 2001 20:09:51 EDT54_US-ASCII Is Joel Jacobson on this list? Please. Dennis 2216 47 21_Fw: Zionistic Article7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:39:15 +0300713_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 11:40 PM Subject: Zionistic Article



> Hi Everyone! > The Jerusalem Post Magzaine section on June 29 had a > feature artcile about Yoni Netanyahu - the commander who > led the successful raid on Entebbe. > The long article called: Yoni: Fighter and Writer is currently > available on the Jerusalem Post site at: > http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/06/28/Features/Features.29339.html > > If it no longer appears I also posted it on my site at: > http://www.jr.co.il/things/israel.htm > > I was considering putting "off [...] 2264 28 28_Evelyn (Schulman) Stopak z"l0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:42:57 EDT442_US-ASCII Habonim and the Jewish Community have lost a very special person:

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Online like never before!

Realtime feedback about this summer's activities to share with the entire Habonim Dror Camp Galil community.

Enjoy first! Then please, pass the word so others can also enjoy!

Chaver Steve 2467 151 61_Fwd: Second Summer Update from Camp Galil & lots of photos!!!0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:44:27 EDT268_US-ASCII Galil 2001 lives!

Online like never before!

Realtime feedback about this summer's activities to share with the entire Habonim Dror Camp Galil community.

Enjoy first! Then please, pass the word so others can also enjoy!

Chaver Steve 2619 32 19_A little nachas....0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:11:56 EDT211_US-ASCII For those of you in Montreal- Avi- my son- will be performing at the comedy festival. He is doing three "Bar Mitzva" shows, and one more in the Fresh Comedy area--So if you go- have a great time!- Susie 2652 60 24_Re: Daniel Greenberg z"l0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:20:17 EDT493_US-ASCII In a message dated 7/13/01 11:09:27 AM, jmallow@luc.edu writes to the LZA leadership:

<< I bring you the sad news of the death of Danny Greenberg of Chicago. He passed away this morning after battling cancer for several months. His funeral will be Monday, time and place to be announced. This is a very sad loss for all who knew him, and for the Labor Zionist Movement, to which he devoted his life. If you wish to offer condolences to Chaikey, the address and phone are: [...] 2713 32 13_Woody Guthrie0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:11:06 EDT102_US-ASCII Happy Woody Guthrie's birthday to one and all.

"We'll stay here 'til we outnumber 'em" 2746 24 17_Re: Woody Guthrie0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:22:24 EDT380_US-ASCII There is a retrospective exhibit of Woody Guthrie that was put together by the Smithsonian that is now showing at a museum in Tacoma, Washington. It is absolutely marvelous! I didn't realize what a wonderful artist/cartoonist he was, and I learned that western Washington was a hotbed of Wobblies; in fact, the guy who wrote "Solidarity Forever" was from this area. [...] 2771 35 17_Re: Woody Guthrie21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy19_tsippi@mediaone.net31_Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:13:41 -0700625_us-ascii Dear Debbie,

Did you happen to notice if the exhibit was travelling to any points further south on the West Coast?

Shabbat Shalom,

Tsippi

At 11:22 AM 7/14/01, you wrote: >There is a retrospective exhibit of Woody Guthrie that was put together by >the Smithsonian that is now showing at a museum in Tacoma, Washington. It is >absolutely marvelous! I didn't realize what a wonderful artist/cartoonist he >was, and I learned that western Washington was a hotbed of Wobblies; in fact, >the guy who wrote "Solidarity Forever" was from this area. > >If you have the opportunity to see it, [...] 2807 61 8_Sad News19_Harriette Leibovitz19_HJYL@mail2world.com31_Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:01:58 -0700571_iso-8859-1 Dear Chevre,

So sorry to follow Steve's note with news of the loss of another major personality in the life of Machaneh Tavor. Lisa Fenster, former camp manager, rosh mitbach, and constant presence at camp in the 60's, passed away on June 15. She was ill for several months.

As the news has filtered out to people who knew her, many have come forward with stories -- mostly funny --of Lisa at camp. The family has been touched by these stories, and is beginning to collect them. If you have any to share, please send them to me privately at [...] 2869 130 16_Na'amat programs14_Jessica Silver26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:31:27 -0400390_iso-8859-1 2 interesting programs sponsored by NAAMAT. Please join us:

1. The Library of Congress is sponsoring a lecture by Hedva Alomog, President of NA'AMAT ISRAEL and former Brigadier General of the Israel Defense Forces, on the "STATUS OF WOMEN IN ISRAEL". This lecture is free and open to the public.

WHAT: LECTURE ON THE "STATUS OF WOMEN IN ISRAEL" BY HEDVA ALMOG [...] 3000 127 19_Educator's Mission.11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:26:12 +0100440_ISO-8859-1

The following article is about the Educator's mission I just came back from. I thought I might share the article. Barbara Taragon, nee Shwartz, is from Minneapolis and Urim. Rozzie











Monday, July 16, 2001







Jewish educators coming to visit instead of their students

The real picture, they say, is more 'complex' than what's seen on TV [...] 3128 37 69_Fw: Off Topic: Online Pictures of the 16th Maccabiah Opening Ceremony7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:56:19 +0300630_iso-8859-1 Thought this might interest someone out there.

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman > Hi Everyone! > Tonight was the opening ceremony of the 16th Maccabiah games. > It was televised live on Israel TV. If you did not attend the event > and did not see it on TV (I think CNN and BBC may not have > covered it), I posted 18 pictures of the event at: > > http://www.jr.co.il/pictures/ilsports.htm > > Have a good night / day, > Jacob > > ------------------------ tachlis@shamash.org -----------------------+ > Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org > A service [...] 3166 36 31_Fw: OT: Friday afternoon in J-m7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:05:53 +0300691_iso-8859-1 Thought this might interest the tourists and guests who are coming now to visit these difficult days.....

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman > > I gathered a lsit of "places to visit in Jerusalem" that > also have websites at: > > http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/i-jer.htm > > Have a good day, > Jacob > > ------------------------ tachlis@shamash.org -----------------------+ > Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org > A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an > online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ > ------------------------ tachlis@shamash.org -----------------------= > > [...] 3203 19 18_Little communities0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:03:13 EDT443_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevre- If there are any of you out there who are living in smaller communities ( i.e. NOT in NY, LA, Baltimore, Miami), please email me privately at : blazergrp@aol.com and put in subject line: For Sue. We are working on bringing a special project to smaller communites which involves a "Hollywood" premiere, and special events for youth and will promote tourism to Israel for next Yom Atzma'ut--- Thanks- Sue (Liberman) [...] 3223 30 29_Steve Farber, where art thou?0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:34:50 EDT115_US-ASCII Does anyone know the location of Steve Farber, 25th Workshop, MB You'd Bet and Tavor and Mosh of the 70's. 3254 30 20_Singer-activist dies0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:05:04 EDT378_ISO-8859-1 Singer-Activist Mimi Farina, 56, Dies in California SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Singer and social activist Mimi Farina, who with her sister and fellow singer Joan Baez was a member of ``folk royalty'' in the 1960s but left behind a music career to devote herself to charitable work, died of cancer on Wednesday at her home in Marin County, California. She was 56. [...] 3285 34 33_Re: Steve Farber, where art thou?0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:55:55 EDT108_US-ASCII Just hearing the name Steve Farber brings back memories of Foodaloupe Meat, eh Richard?

lisa 3320 40 33_Re: Steve Farber, where art thou?0_17_Aviva5675@aol.com29_Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:00:58 EDT256_US-ASCII Last I heard, and it's been awhile, Steve was living with his wife and children in Fairfield, IA. He was in some type of bulk sales and loosely connected to Maharishi University.

But like I said--it's been awhile.

Aviva Sherman Boggs 3361 151 50_palestinian incitement: evidence, (Ittamar Marcus)7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:59:16 +0300599_iso-8859-1

> > ***ARUTZ-7 SPECIAL INSERT > PALESTINIAN SPIRITUAL LEADERSHIP: "BLESSED IS HE WHO KILLS JEWS" > > The Palestinian grudge against Israel is not just a political one, but a > religious one as well. So says Director of Palestinian Media Watch Itamar > Marcus in his recent report and at a recent oral presentation at Tel Aviv > University's Jaffe Center for Strategic Studies. In his paper entitled > "Islam's Mandatory War Against Jews and Israel," Marcus documents Islamic > holy leaders declaring Jews to be "the eternal enemies of Allah," and the > killing of Jews to be [...] 3513 73 46_Re: Steve Farber and other long-lost Tavorniks17_Rena Cheskis-Gold16_renacg@ntplx.net31_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:33:57 -0400582_us-ascii Re: Steve Farber. Loni Golden should know where Steve is. He's not on Habonet, so I'll forward this to him. I also think Steve attended the Tavor reunion in 1997 or so, so someone from Tavor should have him on a list somewhere.

Now here's another one: does anyone from Tavor in the early 70's remember the guy (from Chicago, I think, maybe Evanston) who was an actor and a mime, and started a huge summer-long reverence of Dean Foods, culminating in building a gigantic Dean Foods milk container as the centerpiece of a Busby-Berkely style song and dance about [...] 3587 136 46_Re: Steve Farber and other long-lost Tavorniks12_Sam Stuhlman23_stuhlman@mindspring.com31_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:47:38 -0400323_iso-8859-1 Yes, I remember him... His first name was Barry and he was from Minnesota, like St. Louis Park I remember. (Don't ask me why I remember where he's from and not his last name.)

"Deans has flavor, Deans has jazz. Deans has more than other milk has."

Somehow things get imprinted on our minds... [...] 3724 148 23_shoah poster in Germany0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:05:31 EDT552_ISO-8859-1 By Geir Moulson > Associated Press Writer > > BERLIN (AP) - Berlin's mayor and the city's > Jewish leader are endorsing a > provocative fund-raising poster emblazoned with > the slogan "The Holocaust > never happened," saying it will draw attention > and help build a memorial > to Jewish victims of the Nazis. > > "It would be fatal to have a poster that no one > notices," Mayor Klaus > Wowereit said Thursday as backers of the > monument unveiled a > 100-foot-by-50-foot poster on the wall of a > bank next to the monument's > site, [...] 3873 80 49_Catholic-Jewish Panel Suspends Holocaust-Era Work11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com31_Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:42:18 -0700393_iso-8859-1 Catholic-Jewish Panel Suspends Holocaust-Era Work July 23, 2001 2:20 pm EST

By Grant McCool NEW YORK (Reuters) - A panel of Roman Catholic and Jewish historians has suspended its study of the church's role during the Holocaust and World War Two, citing "lack of positive response" from the Vatican to its request for more documents, members of the group said on Monday. [...] 3954 18 24_Re: Singer-activist dies0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:32:19 EDT510_ISO-8859-1 Thanks, Deb, for posting that. NOne of the eulogies I read mentioned a favorite of mine that she and Richard sang, "Un Canadien Errant" - I can hear it now.

Aliya C-C

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 3973 73 8_eulogies16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:38:18 -0400658_us-ascii While Aliya notes the death of Mimi Farina, somehow this listserve has missed the death of one of Habonim's most illustrious alums. Here I speak of the Canadian writer Mordecai Richler. Richler was arguably the most elegant and eloquent curmudgeon since H.L. Mencken. In such works as The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz, The Street, St. Urbain's Horsemen, Solomon Gursky Was Here and most recently Barney's Version Richler loosed his typewriter against the hypocrisies and contradictions of his society--Jewish, French-Canadian, English. For all that he lambasted his worlds, it is also clear that his skewering derived from his love of them: [...] 4047 17 27_Re: Richler (Was: eulogies)0_20_dfleiss@pipeline.com31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:30:45 -0400394_- In 1994, Mordecai Richler wrote "This Year in Jerusalem," a memoir of his Habonim years. Richler also wrote about a recent trip to Israel.

The book is (in)famous among the Fleiss family for immortalizing our brief experiment with Aliyah. According to Richler, 30 years later, members of Kibbutz Urim still talk about my father, saying "Izzy come, Izzy go" ("easy come, easy go"). [...] 4065 18 27_Re: Richler (Was: eulogies)14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:02:48 +0200469_windows-1255 The book is also infamous at Urim. He apparently came here for a VERY brief visit and distorted everything he heard and saw. Carmi

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 4084 29 15_Hebrew internet5_tslil20_tslil_s@tzuba.org.il31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:49:07 +0300377_windows-1255 I'm going to Canada for a few weeks in a few days, and don't know why I didn't think before this of appealing to this group for help. Please, is there someone in the States/Canada who surfs the net and e-mails in Hebrew?

Can you tell me how it's done -- what I need to download to my mom's computer and if possible an address from which to acquire it? [...] 4114 18 11_Camp Gesher5_tslil20_tslil_s@tzuba.org.il31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:19:41 +0300435_windows-1255 Also, does anyone know if Gesher has e-mail? I'm going to be at Bon Echo. Thanks, Sharon



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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "tslil" Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:49:07 +0300

>I'm going to Canada for a few weeks in a few days, and don't know why I >didn't think before this of appealing to this group for help. Please, is >there someone in the States/Canada who surfs the net and e-mails in Hebrew? > >Can you tell me how it's done -- what I need to download to my mom's >computer and if possible an address from which to acquire [...] 4175 16 21_10th Workshop Reunion0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:46:36 EDT417_ISO-8859-1 I would love to have a report on the reunion in Israel..anyone out there???? Sue

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 4192 23 25_Re: 10th Workshop Reunion8_Pristoop22_cpristoo@mail.bcpl.net31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:10:23 -0400303_us-ascii I know that Grace Feinglass went and loved it. She lives in the Lochearn section of Baltimore County and should be in the Baltimore phone book. Allan Pristoop

At 05:46 PM 7/25/01 -0400, you wrote: >I would love to have a report on the reunion in Israel..anyone out >there???? Sue > [...] 4216 18 26_Dolphinaruim memorial site11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:59:26 +0100491_us-ascii It is best to see this site on a large screen with a fast modem or RoadRunner or ISDN line. Rozzie

http://www.terror-victims.israel.net/telaviv2.html

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 4235 665 36_(long) article from July 26 NY Times11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:17:56 -0400414_us-ascii I generally find Deborah Sontag leans toward the Palestinian perspective and this article is no exception. Still it pokes some holes in the view which is often expressed here that Barak made an offer at Camp David which could not be improved upon and offered essentially everything the Palestinians had a right to ask for. It also suggests that the outlook is not as gloomy as it is often portrayed. [...] 4901 276 5_Genoa0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:11:12 EDT599_ISO-8859-1 Hi,

Thought this might be of interest to some.

marc margolis

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July 21, 2001 Report from Genoa, Italy by Starhawk, via email

I think I'm calm, that I'm not in shock, but my fingers are trembling as I write this. We were up at the school that serves as a center for media,medical and trainings. We had just finished our meeting and were talking,making phone calls, when we heard [...] 5178 28 9_Re: Genoa0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:12:39 EDT82_US-ASCII Who wrote this? Very inflammatory claims but no source that I could find. 5207 27 9_Re: Genoa0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:55:09 EDT395_ISO-8859-1 In a message dated Thu, 26 Jul 2001 4:13:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richardrdsmith@aol.com writes:

> Who wrote this? Very inflammatory claims but no source that I could find.

That's probably because no source was cited. Starhawk herself is a well-known (in some circles) Wiccan/Jew. She has written a number of books, and I've been a fan of hers for a long time. [...] 5235 130 9_Re: Genoa12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:49:19 +0300444_iso-8859-1 Some people are questioning the reliability of the report from Genoa.

My son Ami (who is working at Na'aleh this summer, so some of you can ask him!) was at the Gothenberg G-8 meetings in June as the unofficial Israeli representative of IndyMedia. He relates that there, the Swedish police also pulled a violent, early morning raid on the school (I think) where the demonstrators were sleeping and arrested many of them. [...] 5366 17 19_To chevre in Israel0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:00:03 EDT606_ISO-8859-1 Shabbat Shalom- I am trying to make a list of American stores and companies that have retail outlets and sell in Israel- including retaurants, clothing, office supplies, etc...Any help would be geatly appreciated- You can email me privately at Liberhawke@aol.com- susie

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 5384 28 23_Re: To chevre in Israel0_15_Emabear@aol.com29_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:29:37 EDT55_US-ASCII Toys R Us, Ace Hardware and I'll think of more 5413 41 23_Re: To chevre in Israel5_tslil20_tslil_s@tzuba.org.il31_Sat, 28 Jul 2001 00:19:02 +0300405_ISO-8859-1 Superpharm is Canadian owned, I believe. (Shopper's Drug Mart). Office Depot Best Buy MacDonalds, of course The Second Cup , coffee houses , also Canadian Dunkin' Donut Bonkers (are they still in business?)

Sharon Tslil



----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: To chevre in Israel [...] 5455 22 23_Re: to chevre in Israel14_Dori Orenstein14_bd674@lafn.org31_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:31:04 -0700427_us-ascii Burger King Pizza Hut Subway Ben and Jerry's Tower Records

come to mind at the moment

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 5478 40 18_Re: Deborah Sontag12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 27 Jul 2001 18:59:24 +0300466_iso-8859-1 We were put on a list called HonestReporting, which sent an analysis of the Sontag article, together with a proposed letter of protest to the Washington Post.

The analysis is long, but the letter sums it up:

The Deborah Sontag analysis "Quest for Mideast Peace: How and Why It Failed" has many serious flaws, but one stands out as particularly glaring and biased: She fails to include the opinion of the key Israeli player, Ehud Barak. [...] 5519 23 23_Re: to chevre in Israel14_Tova Silverman26_tova@wisdom.weizmann.ac.il37_Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:39:46 +0300 (IDT)494_- Also:

Home Depot Office Depot KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken) Levi's/Docker's Maurice Valency Tiffany's (would you believe :) Domino's Pizza

Tova Silverman

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 5543 37 14_Jerusalem site11_Roz Barland17_rbarland@mjds.org31_Mon, 30 Jul 2001 20:58:07 +0100655_us-ascii In commemoration of the 9th day of Av, the day on which we mourn the >destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, please click on the Jerusalem >Archaelogical Park website - > >http://www.archpark.org.il > >Click on "Virtual Reconstruction Model" and then, on the drop down menu, >"360 degree panoramas." > >Using a supercomputer, the site provides an impressive panoramic >re-construction of ancient Jerusalem in Roman times based on the >archaeological evidence found outside of the southern wall area of the >Temple Mount. > >For those of you who have visited Israel, the Jerusalem Archaeological Park >excavations are located near the Dung [...] 5581 45 31_LEOPARDS FOUND IN JUDEAN DESERT0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:05:28 EDT435_US-ASCII Gimme a break! No way!!! ----------------------------------------- LEOPARDS FOUND IN JUDEAN DESERT



The Nature Reserve and Parks Authority recently discovered leopards in the

Judean Desert, confirming that the animals are not entirely extinct,

HA'ARETZ reported. The discovery was made recently when a male leopard was

spotted near Ne'ot Hakikar, south of the Dead Sea. The leopard had [...] 5627 61 18_Re: Jerusalem site0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 00:39:20 EDT389_US-ASCII OK. Did it. Love those Israeli websites chock full of Macromedia flash images and music. I agree. Go look at it.

But

So what am I supposed to feel? Like a deprived Prince of Egypt? Like that good old Solomonic empire should be MINE! Like I should want that grandeur and glory for us once again? That I should want to Kill Kill KILL for it? (Alice's Restaurant) [...] 5689 153 52_Arabs Must Use the Demographic Factor Against Israel0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 01:17:51 EDT751_US-ASCII Chevre

So tell me that this doesn't sound totally rational and feasible? "Peace", then.........

Chaver Steve =================================================

Special Dispatch - Egypt July 31, 2001 No. 248

An Egyptian Intellectual: Arabs Must Use the Demographic Factor Against Israel

In the London based daily Al-Hayat (1), Dr. Wahid Abd Al-Magid, the editor of Al-Ahram's "Arab Strategic Report" yearbook, wrote: The way to end the Arab-Israeli conflict is through changing the demographic balance within Israel's pre-1967 'Green Line' assuming that Israel will have to resort to racist policies. Dr. Abd Al-Magid's plan is based, primarily, on Israel's Arab community stopping Jewish immigration to [...] 5843 20 18_Re: Jerusalem site0_18_DLerner569@aol.com29_Tue, 31 Jul 2001 11:26:49 EDT597_ISO-8859-1 I agree with your feeling, though the Nuremburg image seems inappropriate.

Many on Habonet seem to grasp an article or an image and then use that to justify some generalization. I think I'm about to do the same thing.

I think the present conflict with the Palestinians was set in motion when Abraham sent Haggar and Ismael into the desert to perish. God then made a covenant with them. As our half-brothers, exiled, they have the same feelings of terminal rejection, that you or I would have under the same circumstances. I can only think of one possibility to begin [...] 5864 59 35_Re: LEOPARDS FOUND IN JUDEAN DESERT7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Wed, 1 Aug 2001 00:18:58 +0300488_iso-8859-1 The leopards are fitted with electronic bracelets and are tracked on a regular basis after being caught. I had thought the last leopard had died a few years ago, but it seems that she had progeny.... Your "gimme a break! no way!!!" gives you away as one who says "if I didn't see it or hear about it before, it can't be." Very Israeli way of thinking: how many times have I gone to a store asking for something and being told: "there is no such thing. (ein d'var kezeh)." [...]