1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet May 2001 2 70 51_Re: Powell Doctrine&VietNam&Iraq&Israel&Bonzo/Busho13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Tue, 1 May 2001 06:48:11 -0700 (PDT)655_us-ascii Richardrdsmith ( I don't have the pleasure of his acquaintance, so I must refer to his email name, which appears to be his name)has challenged my reasoning. Can you imagine?

Very well. I'll address your concerns.

1) My highly specific and necessarily abridged history

of political/military policy in Vietnam cannot account for all aspects of this topic. It was abridged of necessity. You don't want to read, here, an extended tract by me on the subject. In addition, one's reasoning on this politically and emotionally charged and tragic issue depends on one's starting assumptions, both political and emotional. If you [...] 73 54 51_Re: Powell Doctrine&VietNam&Iraq&Israel&Bonzo/Busho0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Tue, 1 May 2001 16:20:54 EDT404_US-ASCII If you were not insinuating that the Bush administration was being particularly hard on Israel then why did you say, "When the current Cheney/Powell administration gets finished with trashing Israel for existing..."? What was the point of titling your post "Bonzo Busho?"

I do not mean to just give heat, I really thought you were saying that the Bush administration is anti-Israel. [...] 128 29 51_Re: Powell Doctrine&VietNam&Iraq&Israel&Bonzo/Busho0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Tue, 01 May 2001 17:52:06 EDT291_ISO-8859-1 I thought I read in it an assumption, held by many, that the U.S. could have won the war if only the politicians did not have the army on a short leash. It is this much stated, and completely incorrect view, that I thought was behind your analysis. If I am wrong forgive me. [...] 158 61 51_Re: Powell Doctrine&VietNam&Iraq&Israel&Bonzo/Busho13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Tue, 1 May 2001 15:19:11 -0700 (PDT)513_us-ascii Debbie is absolutely correct.

I thank her for shedding light on the situation, rather than night and fog, as is the wont of some. --- DebALev@aol.com wrote: > I thought I read in it an > assumption, held by many, that the U.S. could have > won the war if only the > politicians did not have the army on a short leash. > It is this much stated, > and completely incorrect view, that I thought was > behind your analysis. If I > am wrong forgive me. > > > While I, too, have heard this all too [...] 220 33 47_memories..........what a strange trip it's been0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Tue, 01 May 2001 18:28:45 EDT607_ISO-8859-1 PS I also remember:

-the Army-McCarthy hearings (scared me to death, even though I was VERY young; it was my first memory of TV) -Eisenhower as President (yawn) -Phil Ochs, Woody Guthrie and Paul Robeson being alive -the Kennedy-Nixon contest in 1960 (and yes, their tv debate) -the beginning of color TV - the Cuban missile crisis (I was terrified, knew for sure that we would all be bombed into oblivion) -Kennedy assassinations (both of them) and MLK, needless to say - the Kent state murders; going to an Ohio state-related university, we were all convined the National Guard was [...] 254 27 51_Re: memories..........what a strange trip it's been10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Tue, 01 May 2001 19:29:23 -0400660_us-ascii At 06:28 PM 2001-05-01 -0400, DebALev@aol.com wrote: >PS I also remember: ...



>Interesting changes. Interesting stuff. Looking forward to what's gonna >happen next!

Gee Debbie, I thought you were about to break into Pete Seeger's "Get Up and Go" and I was gettin' ready to join you! ;-)

Ori

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This last article was about reminiscing, and about Habonim, and I think it will resound with a lot of y'all as it did with me. [...] 329 60 51_Re: memories..........what a strange trip it's been0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Tue, 1 May 2001 21:56:14 EDT350_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/1/01 4:39:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, oris@interlog.com writes:



> Gee Debbie, I thought you were about to break into Pete Seeger's "Get Up > and Go" and I was gettin' ready to join you! ;-)

Sounds good to me - and Pete can come along. He's in his early 80s for those of you who might wonder. [...] 390 113 19_Fwd: 50 Years Later15_Nechemia Meyers32_rrmeyers@wisemail.weizmann.ac.il31_Wed, 02 May 2001 08:28:19 +030084_US-ASCII Chevre, I am passing on this column at Debbie's request. Hope you enjoy it. 504 39 13_night and fog11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Wed, 02 May 2001 11:55:58 -0400521_us-ascii aubrey jasper wrote:

> Debbie is absolutely correct. > > I thank her for shedding light on the situation, > rather than night and fog, as is the wont of some.

Hi Aubrey,

Perhaps you can explain how your statement above sheds light and not mere heat?

For someone who asks that others speak courteously, you sure can dish out the criticism to the anonymous masses ("some"). Is your position that it is ok to cast aspersions in the abstract, but not to malign specific individuals? [...] 544 65 37_Re: night and fog: Apology and Advice13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Wed, 2 May 2001 10:43:17 -0700 (PDT)478_us-ascii Noam,

You must cease your obsession with me. It's springtime, you're alive, go out and enjoy the warmth of the sun, the sweet curve of a woman's neck, the inexpressible thrill of loving with all your heart and soul.

Beyond that sound advice, I apologize for use of the phrase "night and fog". For those who know their history, it is a loaded phrase. I used it in a rare moment of annoyance with petty harassment. I apologize to any whom it offended. [...] 610 46 17_Re: night and fog0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Wed, 2 May 2001 17:10:58 EDT314_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/2/01 11:56:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes:



> > I thank her for shedding light on the situation, > > rather than night and fog, as is the wont of some. > >

You know what, I'm so stupid I didn't realize I was being insulted. Thanks. 657 42 33_Re: night and fog/Apology, Part 213_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Wed, 2 May 2001 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT)577_us-ascii Richard,

This is precisely why I made a public apology. If you read my response to Noam, I acknowledged the potential for affront, and I apologized to ALL who were insulted. Of course, I apologize to you!

I've not seen many public apologies on Habonet, so I hope you accept this one in the spirit in which it is given. Aubrey --- Richardrdsmith@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/2/01 11:56:29 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes: > > > > > I thank her for shedding light on the situation, > > > rather than night and [...] 700 128 11_Monthly FAQ12_Jennifer Kay19_kay@elvis.rowan.edu31_Thu, 03 May 2001 02:32:02 -0400421_- Actually-from:BCooper@descartes.com

Hi Chevre,

Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...] 829 89 30_Moadon Habonim Dror -Jerusalem5_yigal18_ysela@inter.net.il30_Thu, 3 May 2001 10:05:01 +0200354_windows-1255 Hi All!

On Tuesday May 1st. we celebrated in true style the opening of Bet Habonim in Jerusalem and also the creation of Kfutsat Yovel.

The event was very moving and exciting for all, and the new Moadon was packed with over 120 friends of the movement.

Pictures were taken during the evening with a digital camera. [...] 919 15 34_Re: Moadon Habonim Dror -Jerusalem0_14_Neal45@aol.com28_Thu, 3 May 2001 13:03:33 EDT335_US-ASCII

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yigal, can these pictures be posted somewhere on the web where we could just take a peek. maybe on the hdna website? sounds like a great event and i'd love to see pictures but i don't want to fill my little computer memory with graphics. tammy 1062 88 37_Re: night and fog: Apology and Advice11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Fri, 04 May 2001 16:29:38 -0400320_us-ascii

aubrey jasper wrote:

> Noam, > > You must cease your obsession with me.

Don't flatter yourself.

> It's > springtime, you're alive, go out and enjoy the warmth > of the sun, the sweet curve of a woman's neck, the > inexpressible thrill of loving with all your heart and > soul. [...] 1151 140 37_Re: night and fog: Apology and Advice13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Fri, 4 May 2001 14:13:17 -0700 (PDT)594_us-ascii Noam,

I apologized to Richard precisely because of what you pointed out in his message to me.I'm sorry you didn't understand. I apologized to all, in case I had offended anyone else. I would like you to accept my apology in the sincere spirit in which it was given. IF I DIDN'T MEAN IT, I WOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT. Furthermore, it's bad form to ctiticize my apology to Richard. Your intervention is unwarranted. You're steamed because of my advice regarding sprigtime activities. I won't address you in that manner anymore if you cease your relentless attacks on me. Love and [...] 1292 282 34_Re: Moadon Habonim Dror -Jerusalem12_Ilana Klamka15_ilana@jewny.com30_Sun, 6 May 2001 11:09:07 +0200461_windows-1255 How sad I am that I somehow missed that message about the opening of Bet Habonim in Jerusalem, as here I am - in Jerusalem!!! I have been here since October, well, left end of Feb. back to the States, got married in March and we came back to Israel and are currently in Nachlaot. trying to figure out what to do with ourselves, part time learning, I would love towork in a museum here (crazy I know!) maybe ulpan and just see. not yet aliyah. [...] 1575 2127 20_Fwd: RE: Th e Flyers0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Mon, 7 May 2001 02:39:15 EDT344_US-ASCII Dear Habonet and Kumsitz afficionados,

Writing for three important reasons:

*East Coast Kumsitz 2001 is coming up on June 2nd - all the info is below. We hope to have about 150 people this year as we've had in the past 2 years. Please feel free to drive in from all over the East Coast and/or to fly in and join us. [...] 3703 23 24_New York Kumsitz, June 211_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Mon, 07 May 2001 09:33:35 -0400397_US-ASCII Is anyone from the Washington, DC, area going to this? I would like to find someone to travel up to NYC with on the train, or, if you are driving and could use someone to help drive and help pay for gas (now nearing $2 per gallon or more around here!), email me directly at langr@gunet.georgetown.edu. (I heard this morning that gas is $4 per gallon in Israel, so I won't complain.) [...] 3727 96 13_LZA statement16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 07 May 2001 17:57:27 -0400610_iso-8859-1 LZA STATEMENT ON THE CURRENT SITUATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST PRESENTED TO THE NATIONAL EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE APRIL 28-29, 2001

The American Jewish community is more united today than it was a year ago ---unfortunately. A year ago we were arguing over the precise nature of a peace agreement. Today we share the sense that peace may be far off. We are bearing horrified witness to what Shimon Peres has sardonically called “the glorious alternative to peace”. The number of dead and wounded grows, as battles continue both in the West Bank and Gaza, and even more ominously, in Israel itself. [...] 3824 37 17_Re: LZA statement13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Mon, 7 May 2001 20:42:09 -0700614_- And what pray is LZA's position on the evacuation of isolated and provocative plush settlements in the midst of poverty and of densely populated Palestinian areas such as Netzarim or Psagot, Ofra, Beit El, and Elon Moreh???? No, I cannot sign up for such a parve statement and position. Just compare this mild piece of bending-over-backwards-compromising with the clear cut positions on these central issues expressed by the Habonim Dror youth and mazkirut a few days ago on this very same list. I could subscribe to something like that, but not to this mushy compromising with the colonial and reactionary [...] 3862 37 57_Jewish Contemporary Classics, Inc./Rio Earth Summitt 200214_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Mon, 7 May 2001 23:32:01 -0700357_iso-8859-1 Habo habo net net net

So, someone sold our names and addresses to this company who say on the outside of their envelope:

"Available Now! The remarkable true tale of the Labor Zionist pioneer who founded Habonim"

Am I just completely lost or do I need "The Chase is the Game: The Jouneys of an American-Israeli Pioneer"? [...] 3900 218 60_TAKE ACTION: important family planning vote expected May 9th14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Mon, 7 May 2001 23:36:39 -0700390_iso-8859-1 Hi,

If you can't make it to my birthday party this Friday. I would appreciate your action on this item as a birthday present to me for my 40th. This is an issue that I care deeply about.

Feel free to forward this to friends. Let's win this one! More info and background below + a way to send a letter to your representative in the House in about 15 seconds :) [...] 4119 43 10_tell L Z A12_Stan Goldman17_stang@urim.org.il30_Tue, 8 May 2001 10:59:07 +0200126_windows-1255 Things never change,It is the youth who lead the way, All of us should let L Z A know that Yuval Warshai is right 4163 97 16_Re: Earth Summit14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Tue, 8 May 2001 08:27:35 -0700608_iso-8859-1 Hi Steve,

Thanks - got it later on in the evening. Any idea of a good way to get there?

Is Habonim sending a contingent - blue chultzot and red strings :)

Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: SMG54321@aol.com To: ahk@cablespeed.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: Earth Summit



Hi Albert. For your information the Earth Summit is in Joberg S.Africa in Sept. 2002. If you go to the un web site at UN.org and click on Meetings/Conferences you should be able to find out about it. Good luck and thanks for your support on overturning the gag [...] 4261 129 11_an old lady13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Tue, 8 May 2001 12:04:48 -0400435_iso-8859-1 Old Lady Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni, in spite of her age, her eyes have not lost their sharp vision in old age, as appears to have happened to the LZA leadership. Of course, she left Labor many, many years ago, as we all did, even before the dark period of Golda Meir. Here is what she wrote in today's Ha'aretz. Let's hope her sharp eyes and vision can remain with us until she is 120 years old. ___ |Y| ^^^ [...] 4391 36 38_Re: Jewish Contemporary Classics, Inc.11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 08 May 2001 13:24:46 -0400399_us-ascii



Albert Kaufman wrote:

> Habo habo net net net > > So, someone sold our names and addresses to this company who say on the > outside of their envelope: > > "Available Now! > The remarkable true tale of the Labor Zionist pioneer who founded Habonim" > > Am I just completely lost or do I need "The Chase is the Game: The Jouneys > of an American-Israeli Pioneer"? [...] 4428 40 29_John Paul (George and Ringo?)11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 08 May 2001 13:39:02 -0400553_us-ascii

So the Pope visited Syria. Odd thing to do in many ways, first and foremost because the new dictator is such a charming promoter of religious tolerance. Anyone out there have a sneaky Jewish trick to raise Hafez from the grave? His son seems much more dangerous.

Odd that he would go to Syria if it were a monolithic Islamic society as has been asserted here recently, but then again everything I've read in the Wash. Post recently points to it's heading in that direction, so again, perhaps this reinforces Aubrey's point. [...] 4469 45 33_Re: John Paul (George and Ringo?)13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Tue, 8 May 2001 14:45:44 -0400591_Windows-1252 Noam,

I guess I should have said that Shulamit Aloni is a former Education Minister, under former Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin, z"l. She made less of an impression as a minister than her successor from Meretz as Education Minister, Yosi Sarid, but still she is today the matriarch of all supporters of human rights and Palestinian and Arab rights in Israel. She actually was the founder of Meretz as the movement for civil rights in Israel, before it merged with the Socialist Shel"i to form the current Meretz Party. In any case, I visited Kuneitra in 1970, as a 17 [...] 4515 84 33_Re: John Paul (George and Ringo?)13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Tue, 8 May 2001 12:27:58 -0700 (PDT)380_us-ascii I agree with everything Noam said about John Paul/Syria!

I wish to clarify one point on which I may have been unclear: I think of Syria and other Arab states as being monolithic in power- all power is in Islamic hands. I realize that they are not monolithic in terms of the existence of (oppressed) religious minorities in their midst and under their thumbs. [...] 4600 105 44_Fw: off topic: 21 websites about Lag Ba'Omer7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 8 May 2001 21:54:03 +0300633_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman



> > The Jewish festival "Lag Ba'Omer" is Friday, May 11. > If you are flying over Israel on Thursday night and you look down > out of your plane, you will see thousands of bonfires dotting the > landscape as far as the eye can see. There are various customs > and explanations for these celebrations. > Below are 21 websites to learn about "Lag Ba'Omer". > For your convenience, the sites are also hyper-linked > online at: > http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/j-hdayla.htm > Enjoy the bonfires! > Jacob > > Virtual Jerusalem: Lag [...] 4706 487 21_Fw: la Stampa article7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 8 May 2001 23:02:27 +0300539_Windows-1252

> > April 2, 2001 / How the foreign media in Israel do their >job. > > > > > >This article was written by Fiamma Nirenstein, an Italian journalist who > > >writes from Israel for the daily La Stampa and the weekly magazine > > >Panorama. > > >It was translated from the Italian by Rachel Donadio, and appeared in The > > >American magazine Commentary. > > > > > >Since this article appeared, in January 2001, even such cautious > statesmen > > >as Shimon Peres (who in the past has been loathe to criticize media [...] 5194 42 15_Re: an old lady0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Tue, 8 May 2001 18:12:38 EDT285_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/8/01 12:06:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, warshais@tir.com writes:



> We destroyed Lebanon;

I think I agree with everything in the article but this line. I think the Lebanese destroyed their own country long before the Israelis arrived. 5237 28 15_Re: an old lady11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 08 May 2001 18:16:02 -0400397_us-ascii

Richardrdsmith@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/8/01 12:06:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, warshais@tir.com > writes: > >> We destroyed Lebanon; > > I think I agree with everything in the article but this line. I think the > Lebanese destroyed their own country long before the Israelis arrived.

I think they even had "a little help from [their] friends" ... [...] 5266 40 33_Re: John Paul (George and Ringo?)0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com28_Tue, 8 May 2001 20:16:18 EDT439_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/8/01 1:40:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes:



The news coverage set me to thinking about a bit of history that I know little about. Can someone provide background on Kuneitra? I'm wondering about the general destruction which took place there, and particularly the destruction of religious sites. Who/ what/when/why without a lot of agitprop :-) preferably. >> [...] 5307 55 33_Re: John Paul (George and Ringo?)11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Tue, 08 May 2001 22:50:52 -0700418_us-ascii I was 11 at that time, so much of my recollection is based on memories of that age and log ago.

My father was with the military unit that was first to enter Kunetra after it was captured in '67. He told us that they would enter houses and food was still relatively warm on the tables and other signs of fast flight. The impression was that there was little if any warning of what was coming down. [...] 5363 45 28_Camp Na'aleh has a new home!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 9 May 2001 02:51:09 EDT471_US-ASCII LOOKING FOR A SUMMER CAMP?



GOT A FRIEND WHO IS?



IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO TELL A

FRIEND ABOUT CAMP NA'ALEH!!



Camp Na'aleh reopened in 1998 and, in just a few years, has doubled its

registration. It is intimate, ideological, and fun with a low

madrich/a-to-chanich/a ratio. We would deeply appreciate your calling any

friends with children ages 9 to 16 and giving them the toll-free number [...] 5409 17 4_P.S.0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 9 May 2001 02:55:52 EDT435_US-ASCII The email address for inquiries about Camp Na'aleh was inadvertently left out: It is Naaleh@aol.com.

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 5427 2031 24_and idan jaguar Fast,4_sima19_simagr@telhai.ac.il30_Wed, 9 May 2001 13:37:02 +030011_ISO-8859-1 7459 27 33_Re: John Paul (George and Ringo?)12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il30_Wed, 9 May 2001 06:55:45 +0300313_iso-8859-1 My husband said he heard a CNN reporter covering the Pope's visit to Kuneitra hemming and hawing about the church the Pope visited. Seems that the church construction was not completely finished when the war started, so that it is hard to claim that it was Israeli shelling that had destroyed it. [...] 7487 55 12_Re: and idan13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Wed, 09 May 2001 11:53:32 +02001153_us-ascii Did I miss the point or what?

At 13:37 2001-05-09 +0300, you wrote:

>jaguar >Fast, >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01D1D18D.1ED18D70" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org >Sender: owner-habonet@shamash.org >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09/990901/11:28 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >------=_NextPart_000_009E_01D1D18D.1ED18D70 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Pelt , sharp teeth >Torning, breaking bones, eating >Killer, slippery >Cat family >. >------=_NextPart_000_009E_01D1D18D.1ED18D70 >Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="CFGWIZ32.EXE" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="CFGWIZ32.EXE" > >TVqQAAMAAAAEAAAA//8AALgAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAgAAAAA4fug4AtAnNIbgBTM0hVGhpcyBwcm9ncmFtIGNhbm5vdCBiZSBydW4gaW4gRE9TIG1v > > > >------=_NextPart_000_009E_01D1D18D.1ED18D70-- > [...] 7543 23 3_JCC16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 09 May 2001 06:49:16 -0400536_us-ascii Albert Kaufman's reference to Jewish Contemporary Classics needs some clarification. That company is run by Moshe Dworkin, original founder of Moment Magazine, z"l, and graduate of the Third Workshop at Kfar Blum where Saadia Gelb was his madrich. Dworkin, like all Habonim alums, has access to the Habonim Foundation mailing list. He's publishing Saadia's memoir as an act of love for it surely won't be a moneymaker. Albert, for your 40th birthday I send you the gift of a little more humility and a little less hubris. [...] 7567 63 11_Help Needed11_Sam Bergman22_bergman@mindspring.com31_Wed, 09 May 2001 08:35:29 -0400433_us-ascii Chaverim,

We again need your help (each of you, individually) on the Habonim-Dror Foundation People Finder site. People Finder represents the best (and practically only) collective memory of chaverim associated with the movement throughout the last 50 years.

We have a total of slightly under 8000 people records, many incomplete. Since we opened the site last October, there has been quite a response... [...] 7631 34 7_Re: JCC16_Sharon Weissbach18_sgweis01@iglou.com36_Wed, 9 May 2001 09:17:16 -0400 (EDT)618_US-ASCII Thank you for clearing this up. I appreciated receiving the notice and was surprised that anyone was petty enough to make a negative issue out of something which is clearly of interest to Habonim alumni.

On Wed, 9 May 2001, Elihu D. Davison wrote:

> Albert Kaufman's reference to Jewish Contemporary Classics needs some > clarification. That company is run by Moshe Dworkin, original founder > of Moment Magazine, z"l, and graduate of the Third Workshop at Kfar Blum > where Saadia Gelb was his madrich. Dworkin, like all Habonim alums, has > access to the Habonim Foundation mailing list. [...] 7666 26 30_Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Wed, 09 May 2001 09:49:44 EDT350_ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone:

Let me explain how you all received a snail mail letter inviting you to purchase a copy of "The Chase is the Game: The Jouneys of an American-Israeli Pioneer?" by Sa'adia Gelb. As the letter explains and Habonetters have mentioned, Sa'adia was one of the founders of Habonim and to this day a member of Kfar Blum. [...] 7693 29 26_NY Kumsitz carpool from DC0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com28_Wed, 9 May 2001 12:53:10 EDT493_US-ASCII Roz and other DC Metro area folks:

I'd also like to join a carpool -- I'd drive, but my dear old '88 Chevy NOVA really can't handle that trip again -- so please let me know if you have room (can help with driving, gas, tolls, etc.)

If driving doesn't work out, I'll probably take the bus-- Greyhound/Peter Pan busses are actually pretty spiffy nowadays, take the same 4 hours to get there as the regular train but cost less than 1/2 of the price of a train ticket. [...] 7723 81 12_Re: and idan13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Wed, 9 May 2001 12:26:51 -0700 (PDT)690_us-ascii The sages teach us that there are some things we cannot know. Life is often a tragic mystery, and religion was created to help us deal with the uncertainty, mystery, fear and sorrow.

It appears that "and idan" is one of those things we cannot know. --- avi rosenberg wrote: > Did I miss the point or what? > > At 13:37 2001-05-09 +0300, you wrote: > > >jaguar > >Fast, > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; > > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009E_01D1D18D.1ED18D70" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Reply-To: habonet@shamash.org [...] 7805 84 7_profile13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com30_Wed, 9 May 2001 15:26:58 -0400359_iso-8859-1 Here is a journalistic profile by AP of the 14 year old American settler in Tekoa who was killed in a desert hike yesterday. It gives some interesting glimpses on that American element of the settler population and their ideology and life-styles. ___ |Y| ^^^

-----Copyright 2001 The Associated Press-----

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS [...] 7890 22 12_Re: and idan0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 09 May 2001 15:31:40 EDT441_ISO-8859-1 Aubrey, I responded directly to the person who sent that to me; I have not yet heard back.

What came to me was an email with an attachment, and I NEVER OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless they are from someone I know and are expected.

I suspect this might have something to do with the photos that some of us requested from the Bet Habonim opening in Jerusalem, but there was nothing on that email to indicate what it was. [...] 7913 44 12_Re: and idan13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com36_Wed, 9 May 2001 13:26:31 -0700 (PDT)522_us-ascii I didn't know that the cryptic "and idan" went to you. On Habonet, there is a sender identified as 'sima'. --- DebALev@aol.com wrote: > Aubrey, I responded directly to the person who sent > that to me; I have not yet heard back. > > What came to me was an email with an attachment, and > I NEVER OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless they are from > someone I know and are expected. > > I suspect this might have something to do with the > photos that some of us requested from the Bet > Habonim opening in Jerusalem, but [...] 7958 82 50_about sima and that attachment.....WARNING WARNING0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Wed, 9 May 2001 23:14:25 EDT544_US-ASCII I just received this email.......and since it doesn't look like it was sent to the whole Habonet list, I am doing so.

Debbie

Deb shalom,. DO NOT OPEN THE ATTACHMENT! IT IS A VIRUS! This virus goes into your addressbook, and your inbox at the same time, and randomly sends messages that were in the inbox to people in the addressbook. In this case it apparently sent to all the lists I am subscribed to - thus Habonet. I sent a notice to Brian Cooper. I apologize - my Macafee anti-virus didn't even pick it up. Sima [...] 8041 115 23_IMPORTANT! Re: and idan4_sima19_simagr@telhai.ac.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 07:24:31 +0200511_iso-8859-1 And Idan:

An insidious VIRUS (that Macafee's updated anti-virus did not pick-up) which sends old e-mail messages from the inbox to random people from the addressbook. In this case Habonet, which apparently could not screen it out either. Occasionally it sends an attachment of itself as well.

"And Idan" is Idan's homework. Other people received Omri's diamante poem, while others have reported getting Ella's timeline of Rabin's life. My pupils' homework is now all over the net. [...] 8157 46 22_On Sa'adia Gelb's Book0_16_tanah@zianet.com29_Thu, 10 May 2001 03:29:56 GMT344_us-ascii Ken or whomever, OK,OK, So how do we order that book? Maybe I missed the info on an earlier mailing, but if so, please forgive a busy grad student, who is also working, and has to read email at the university because I haven't time to clean some viruses from my home computer. Please, I am now looking at email every few days.... [...] 8204 25 5_Virus14_The Bernhardts24_miriam_b@neve-ilan.co.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 13:16:57 +0300458_us-ascii Help! I don't remember what I did with the letter from Sima before trashing it. I use E-Safe regularly and also ran it especially this morning and it didn't find any viruses. (I have recently had my entire hard disk trashed and recreated because I had been sloppy about virus protection .) How does this virus manifest itself? How can I be sure that I don't have it? I agree that sending attachments on Habonet should be a no-no. Thanks Miriam [...] 8230 59 34_Alternative Viewpoints on the Pope17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 14:29:16 +0200444_windows-1255 10 May 2001

In Habonet Digest 1878, Yuval Warshai writes regarding the Pope's visit to Syria and the Islamic rhetoric of President Assad,

"" ... I found it very encouraging that this type of politics [presumably Islamic fundamentalism, my insertion] did not move the Pope one inch from his own views, that are still remarkable for their rational non-mystic tone, and their moral simplicity and righteousness. "" [...] 8290 22 0_15_Leo Diesendruck18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 15:49:44 +0200469_windows-1255 Re Kuneitra

In 1975 I was part of a group of American professors who visited four Middle East countries including Syria. The mission was organized by the American Professors for Peace in the Middle East. One of the places we were taken to in Syria was Kuneitra in the Golan Heights and were shown the town razed to its foundations. We were also told by our "guide" that the Israeli soldiers opened graves and extracted gold teeth from corpses! [...] 8313 112 38_Re: Alternative Viewpoints on the Pope13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Thu, 10 May 2001 10:22:22 -0400426_Windows-1252 Dear Marty,

I would like to suggest some possible revisions to your wide-ranging assertions regarding the Pope's diplomacy:

> 1. Although the Pope has openly advocated that Israel should withdraw from > the Occupied (West Bank and Gaza) Territories, he didn't suggest to > President Assad that the Syria should abandon it's greater Syria policies > and withdraw it's armed forces from Lebanon. [...] 8426 146 56_FW: Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force32_(David Friedman) Friedart Studio18_david@friedart.com31_Thu, 10 May 2001 10:14:19 -0700671_US-ASCII I received this email today. I didn't see who actually signed this statement...does anyone know?

David ---------- Subject: Fwd: Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force

Forwarded Message: > To: portside@yahoogroups.com > From: portsideMod@netscape.net > Subject: Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force > Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:42:16 -0400 > ----- > Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force > > This statement organized by Israeli professors was signed > by 350 Israeli professors and intellectuals. It is a > ringing condemnation of the occupation. Note that while > it condemns acts of terror against [...] 8573 16 60_Re: FW: Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 10 May 2001 13:33:41 EDT403_ISO-8859-1 It's interesting that it was sent without any "signatures," David.

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 8590 273 60_Re: FW: Appeal by 350 Israelis for International Peace Force13_aubrey jasper22_aubreyjasper@yahoo.com37_Thu, 10 May 2001 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT)570_us-ascii In addition to Debbie's salient point that this alleged petition is unsigned,the following line, taken verbatim from the 'appeal', is worthy of note:

"The mental harm caused by years of terrorization, anxiety, loss, humiliation and mourning is inexpressible."

The 'appeal' employed this line to create moral high ground for Palestinian attacks upon Israelis. Of course, the quotation applies equally to the suffering of all Israelis at Arab hands. The very recent murder of two Israeli kids, found dead in a cave, is a clear example of this. [...] 8864 31 11_Re: profile12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 23:14:19 +0300323_iso-8859-1 Yuval,

Maybe I'm wrong, but I was very disturbed by your profile of an "American settler" who was murdered yesterday. In my eyes, he was like any 14-year-old boy who felt like skipping school and not telling his parents about it. The ideology and life-style of his parents had nothing to do with it. [...] 8896 22 11_Re: profile0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 10 May 2001 16:26:56 EDT433_ISO-8859-1 Thanks for posting that,Trudy. Those were my thoughts too.....normal kids doing a normal thing. Unfortunately, they weren't doing it in a "normal" area.

My one experience skipping school was going to David Levinstein's house to make posters for our Habonim Neshef. A LONG bus trip and a long walk to his house, but we had fun, baked banana peels that smelled wonderful (and I hate bananas!), and made posters. [...] 8919 40 11_Re: profile11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 10 May 2001 16:28:09 -0400347_us-ascii Hi Trudy,

I agree that the lifestyle of the parents has nothing to do with the child, and I also am appalled by this tragedy, but I don't see any connection between what Yuval wrote (seemed to me he was trying to explain why he was sending the AP article without too much commentary) and your comments below. Can you explain? [...] 8960 64 11_Re: profile0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Thu, 10 May 2001 17:06:29 EDT527_US-ASCII i lived in israel for many years and returned with my family to live in the u.s. about ten years ago. i returned to the neighborhood i grew up in. some considered that strange but i had many reasons, one of them was that this is a VERY jewish area. i don't agree with a lot of my neighbors' politics but we are all jewish and therefore have a bond. one of my neighbors was the mandel family who later made aliya to tekoa. we moved in different circles but had many mutual friends. i remember a shabbat lunch with [...] 9025 106 31_Fw: just a few words about Kobi7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 13:16:48 +0300552_iso-8859-1 I wasn't going to send this until I saw the letter sent by someone to Habonet about it. First of all, the boys told their friends they were going to the caves, not to make a tiyul in the wadiot. Those caves are a well-worn path trafficked by Israelis who come with the Nature Preservation Society on tiyulim, and they are only a couple hundred meters from the houses of Tekoa. My nephews and nieces who lived in Tekoa until a few months ago used to take all their cousins down to those caves whenever we visited. After one particularly [...] 9132 99 22_Fw: A tale of two boys7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 10 May 2001 17:40:50 +0300547_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Birnbaum To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: A tale of two boys



> Shalom All > > First of all many thanks for the warmth which has come out of this > list. Today has been so hard and the funeral probably the most > devastating I have been to in my life. > > below are a few words I wrote for Kobi and Yossie > > Sheloh Neidah Tzarot > > eli > > A tale of two boys > > This is [...] 9232 72 32_Fw: Lag Baomer on another planet7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 11 May 2001 02:30:22 +0300582_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Birnbaum To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 2:02 AM Subject: Lag Baomer on another planet



> 1:00 AM Tekoa > > In Tekoah we had a problem How do you celebrate lag baomer with so > much pain surrounding us? People are walking the streets still in > shock. Is it alright to say good morning ? Is it in bad taste to > smile? Do we have right to celebrate at all ? > > Normally there are dozens of barn fires with each age group having [...] 9305 82 37_Are kids going to Israel this summer?0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Thu, 10 May 2001 22:04:30 EDT724_ISO-8859-1 I am posting this Jamie's permission. I think you will find it interesting.

Ken

----- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:26:49 -0400 From: "Jamie Levin" Subject:

I attended a North American Alliance for Jewish Youth meeting yesterday in which several organizations reviewed numbers for their Israel programs. Please find an assortment below: Alexander Muss High School-42% registration JCCA-800+ cancellations, to quote "we have the least committed teenagers in N.A." Young Judea-teen tour is at 40% capacity Machon is at 90% capacity Year course has seen "a dramatic decrease" USY-55% capacity BBYO-32% capacity Ramah-42% capacity UAHC-70% Capacity HABONIM DROR-MBI 100% [...] 9388 53 41_Re: Are kids going to Israel this summer?11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Thu, 10 May 2001 22:45:38 -0700619_us-ascii Looks as if we're still doing something very right as a movement. Kol Ha'kavod to the chanichim and the parents who are there to show their support.

Batel



KBob24@aol.com wrote:

> I am posting this Jamie's permission. I think you will find it > interesting. > > Ken > > ----- > Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:26:49 -0400 > From: "Jamie Levin" > Subject: > > I attended a North American Alliance for Jewish Youth meeting > yesterday in > which several organizations reviewed numbers for their Israel > programs. > Please find an assortment below: > Alexander [...] 9442 43 41_Re: Are kids going to Israel this summer?13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 11 May 2001 03:44:59 -0400614_us-ascii Dear Ken-

Thank you for sending these statistics on the Israel summer programs to Habonet . As the parent of a kid who is planning to be on the program, I have been following MBI registration with amazement.

These registration figures are a testament not only to the Habonim members themselves but also to their families, who have to be pretty knowledgeable and committed to Israel to consider sending their kids this summer. Credit also goes to Alexis Kort, the Habonim office staff person who manages the registration and who has sent excellent, reassuring materials to the families. [...] 9486 44 11_Re: profile12_Doug Greener25_ddwgreen@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 11 May 2001 07:41:38 +0300460_iso-8859-1 Noam,

I owe you an answer, although after reading Eli's posting there is really nothing more to add.

You wrote: "I agree that the lifestyle of the parents has nothing to do with the child, and I also am appalled by this tragedy, but I don't see any connection between what Yuval wrote (seemed to me he was trying to explain why he was sending the AP article without too much commentary) and your comments below. Can you explain?" [...] 9531 375 34_reply to Sam,yuval and others.....7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 11 May 2001 14:06:04 +0300603_windows-1255 shalom, You write that you have trouble with those Israelis who settled in middle of hornet's nest.... We must remember that it was not always a hornet's nest. The real problems with the Arabs started many years after the settlements were established. All settlements, to the best of my recollection, were established on State land and for the most part did not involve confiscation from private owners. There were villages built on land that was purchased from Arabs, sometimes twice and three times over, as it was discovered after each sale that the Abu Yusef that sold the land is [...] 9907 107 8_The Pope17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Fri, 11 May 2001 17:48:16 +0200339_windows-1255 11 May 2001

Enclosed are a number of responses to comments made by Yuval Warshai in reference to my submission in Habonet Digest 1878 regarding the Pope.

1. Yuval wrote, "" ...What he [the Pope] has openly supported for quite some time is the right of the Palestinians for their own independent state... "" [...] 10015 154 30_Lag Ba-omer The Fire This Time12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 11 May 2001 23:25:08 +0200602_iso-8859-1

Our granddaughter Noa is in second grade in an Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem. Last night her class had a Lag Ba-omer medura in an empty lot near our house so she conned me into going along. It’s as hard to tell the Jewish from the Arab kids as it is their parents - especially in the dark. Like American Jews and thanksgiving it’s the one holiday that Israeli Arabs feel comfortable celebrating in their acculturation-leading-to-assimilation. I had a conversation with one of the Arab parents - a geneticist. You’ve figured out by now that this was not a representative case. [...] 10170 410 33_order form: The Chase is the Game14_Jessica Silver26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Fri, 11 May 2001 16:54:50 -0400417_iso-8859-1 There was interest expressed in ordering The Chase is the Game, the book about Saadia Gelb's life. For those who did not receive order forms in the mail, please see the attached form.

Jessica Silver Executive Director Habonim Dror Foundation Phone: 646/486.1689 Fax: 212/929.3459 foundation@habonimdror.org www.habonimdrorfoundation.org/people













10581 48 19_teacher of the year0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Fri, 11 May 2001 21:49:06 EDT590_US-ASCII on a much lighter note- richard sprecher, mosh alum, creator of countless medurot and special days was just named teacher of the year for montgomery county schools, one of the largest systems in the nation. he was surprised today, in his classroom by the superintendent of schools and the press. he truly deserves this honor. anyone that went to mosh in the '60s and 70's knows sprech. he used his habonim peulot experience and transferred it to his teaching. he was the wackiest and most creative teacher in the school system. he touches every child he teaches. mazel tov to [...] 10630 67 9_Need Help11_Sam Bergman22_bergman@mindspring.com31_Sat, 12 May 2001 06:19:40 -0400373_us-ascii Chaverim,

YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THIS EMAIL SEVERAL DAYS AGO--if so please read, in any case, act.

We again need your help (each of you, individually) on the Habonim-Dror Foundation People Finder site. People Finder represents the best (and practically only) collective memory of chaverim associated with the movement throughout the last 50 years. [...] 10698 34 34_Re: Lag Ba-omer The Fire This Time11_Sue Mackson16_susiem6@juno.com31_Sat, 12 May 2001 09:29:20 -0400299_- re: Your musings -- there is a woman from this community (Poughkeepsie, NY) who sends her daughter to Neve Shalom. Do you (or whichever is the parent of the grandchild mentioned) know her -- Lisa (Preiss) Fried? (I only remember Smadar, and the name Dikla. And, of course, I remember Eitan.) [...] 10733 294 19_Fwd: Important Vote0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 12:03:02 EDT533_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/6/01 12:29:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mmanski@hotmail.com writes:



> > >> > > > > > > > >> SaysWho >> >> ListBot Sponsor >> >> Netscape is running a polls, this time asking users to vote >> on whether Israel is or is >> not using excessive force against the Palestinians. Since we can assume >> that Arab groups are asking their members to vote, it is important that we >> do likewise. >> >> Actions >> ------- >> >> 1. Go to the URL below, click the circle to the left of >> "NO", [...] 11028 28 18_Re: Important Vote0_14_Ohanka@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 17:18:24 EDT362_US-ASCII

In a message dated 5/12/01 11:03:52 AM, BERNSARA@aol.com writes:

<< Netscape is running a polls, this time asking users to vote >> on whether Israel is or is >> not using excessive force against the Palestinians. Since we can assume >> that Arab groups are asking their members to vote, it is important that we >> do likewise. >> >> [...] 11057 120 23_Nytimes op ed on Israel0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 17:41:21 EDT345_UTF-8 Danger to Israel

By ANTHONY LEWIS





OSTON -- The killing of two Jewish teenagers out on a hike from a settlement in the West Bank showed us starkly this week how brutal the conflict there has become. How could anyone be so vicious as to bludgeon two innocent schoolboys to death to make a political point? [...] 11178 40 18_Re: Important Vote0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 17:44:13 EDT246_US-ASCII Thanks for saying that, Hank. I'm one of 'em, frankly.

And sure, if you want to, go ahead and take those computer polls. AOL has them all the time. So what? Big deal. They are virtually (hee hee) meaningless, anyway.

Debbie 11219 40 13_Re: Need Help0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 19:31:23 EDT269_US-ASCII There are two people who I know Leo D has email addresses for, both active in Habonim, attended MB and Tavor in the 60s.

Did you integrate Leo's list into this? They do not appear anywhere (although their siblings do) on the People Finder.

Debbie 11260 36 13_Re: Need Help0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 20:02:55 EDT191_US-ASCII Leo's list was integrated into the Habonim Dror Foundation master list around a year ago. That doesn't mean that all integrations go 100%, but the list was brought in.

Ken Bob 11297 17 34_Re: Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 21:17:37 EDT446_US-ASCII You are right, a lot of us were happy to learn about the book. Might it be that some of us just love to kvetch?

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 11315 35 34_Re: Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Sat, 12 May 2001 22:42:33 -0400292_us-ascii

Judithb253@aol.com wrote:

> You are right, a lot of us were happy to learn about the book. Might it be > the book. Might it be that some of us just love to kvetch?

Of course some of us love to kvetch Judy, perhaps that's the gene Amnon was looking for :-) [...] 11351 79 13_RE: Need Help17_Fisher, Karen E K19_KFisher@Cinergy.com31_Sat, 12 May 2001 23:09:43 -0400429_iso-8859-1 I must be more computerilleterate than I thought. Where do I go to add my own info since I am new to the list?

Thanks Karen

-----Original Message----- From: Sam Bergman [mailto:bergman@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 6:20 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Need Help



Chaverim,

YOU MAY HAVE MISSED THIS EMAIL SEVERAL DAYS AGO--if so please read, in any case, act. [...] 11431 36 13_Re: Need Help0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sat, 12 May 2001 23:33:07 EDT162_US-ASCII Karen......welcome to Habonet! A different email address now?

Or maybe you're based at Cinergy Field (yuck - it sure ain't Crosley!)

Debbie 11468 70 13_RE: Need Help17_Fisher, Karen E K19_KFisher@Cinergy.com31_Sun, 13 May 2001 00:13:15 -0400445_iso-8859-1 Hey there. No It's my work e-mail. Still aol at home. So How do I go about putting my info on?

Karen

-----Original Message----- From: DebALev@aol.com [mailto:DebALev@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:33 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Need Help



Karen......welcome to Habonet! A different email address now?

Or maybe you're based at Cinergy Field (yuck - it sure ain't Crosley!) [...] 11539 50 13_Re: Need Help0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 00:21:22 EDT586_US-ASCII I'll send you the info that came today about the Habonim-Dror People Finder.

It has linke so if you want to email someone, it's easy.

If you want to say hello to the list, you can do that too just by sending an email to habonet@shamash.org.

There are a few people on habonet that you would know....Holtzer, of course, although I haven't seen him on for a while, LeeShai and Sharon (they read but don't post very often), Sam Flesher.......I know Benjy ben Baruch (formerly Schiff) reads as well but doesn't post any more at all) and his father, Baruch [...] 11590 56 13_Re: Need Help0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 00:25:07 EDT540_US-ASCII sorry....that got sent inadvertently......David Levinstein isn't on habonet, but maybe some day I'll talk him into it......don't know who else.....but sometimes the discussions are interesting.

I can give you background on Pearl Skolnik if you want, after you've read a few of her posts.

Hope you and the family are well! This coming week, I start a new job as patient services manager for the leukemia-lymphoma society of WA and AK. Very exciting, and a big challenge, and different from what I've done before. [...] 11647 42 13_Re: Need Help0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 00:27:48 EDT208_US-ASCII OOOOOOPS.......GOOOOOOOOFED.............that was meant to go out privately and I slipped up

Good thing I didn't insult anybody!

Hope the person it was directed to gets it!

Debbie 11690 46 34_Re: Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 08:55:00 EDT453_US-ASCII The HDF policy on distributing its mailing list is pretty simple. The list has never been sold and is only used to further the specific goals of the Foundation. In brief, those goals include the financial and organizational support of the movement and facilitating the alumni activites of Haobnim Dror graduates. Notifying the alumni about an autobiography by a founder of the movement seems to me to be a good example of the latter goal. [...] 11737 54 15_Arise and build0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 08:57:06 EDT357_US-ASCII Noam:

In answer to your question, it is not in print (it was published to celebrate 25 years of the movement which was over 30 years ago) and not available. You will have to make do with Builders and Dreamers.

Ken

> And can anyone answer my question about whether > Arise and Build is still in print or available somewhere? > > 11792 89 34_RE: Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book11_Carol Shore21_c_shore@ix.netcom.com31_Sun, 13 May 2001 15:45:47 -0400722_iso-8859-1 Thanks, Ken. We are looking forward to reading this book and connecting with our roots. Steve and Carol Shore -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of KBob24@aol.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:55 AM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: Re: Mailing on Sa'adia Gelb's Book



The HDF policy on distributing its mailing list is pretty simple. The list has never been sold and is only used to further the specific goals of the Foundation. In brief, those goals include the financial and organizational support of the movement and facilitating the alumni activites of Haobnim Dror graduates. Notifying the alumni about an autobiography [...] 11882 100 19_Re: Arise and build7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 13 May 2001 19:16:02 +0300462_iso-8859-1 I have a copy in Israel of Arise and Build. I am prepared to lend it out. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: KBob24@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Arise and build



Noam:

In answer to your question, it is not in print (it was published to celebrate 25 years of the movement which was over 30 years ago) and not available. You will have to make do with Builders and Dreamers. [...] 11983 118 13_Re: Need Help7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 13 May 2001 19:36:17 +0300499_iso-8859-1 I have lived in Israel for 40 years. I don't think you can give anyone my biography because you do not know it. You do not know my movement background (six years in national leadership) nor my kibbutz, moshav or work or family background. You do not know if I am black, white or scarlet. You do not know anything about me accept from my posts. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Re: Need Help [...] 12102 165 27_Re: Nytimes op ed on Israel7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 13 May 2001 23:43:03 +0300580_UTF-8 This is highly politicized, falsifying, and misleading article, hardly based on reality. Lewis definitely has an agenda. 1. the villages are peaceful and are not militarized encampments. They do have guard duty and they do have a sentry at the entrance to each village. This is for protection. We had guard duty every night in our moshav in the heart of Israel, 10 km from Zichron, 30 min from Haifa on the main highway. What is so different here? 2. We did not conquer this land from the Palestinians, but from the Jordanians. The Jordanians then gave up their rights [...] 12268 300 10_Yoram Peri11_Carol Shore21_c_shore@ix.netcom.com31_Sun, 13 May 2001 17:11:04 -0400471_iso-8859-1 I was fortunate to host Yoram Peri for a Philadelphia New Israel Fund event a few years ago. He is an thoughtful and articulate speaker. I urge folks to make an effort to see him as he speaks in various communities around the country. Carol -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of DebALev@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 11:53 PM To: habonet@shamash.org Subject: food for thought? [...] 12569 36 23_yerushalayim shel zahav0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 17:54:50 EDT221_US-ASCII does anyone have the hebrew (or transliteration) lyrics (or know where i can find them quickly) to yerushalayim shel zahav. we have the napster version but i'd rather not have to sit and copy words. thanks, tammy 12606 56 27_BIG MAZAL TOV TO ISRAEL!!!!7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 14 May 2001 00:09:17 +0300345_windows-1255 Best thing that has happened this year and which we needed so much to lift the morale: Maccabi Tel Aviv basketball team won the European championship for the first time in 20 years. This is the third time we have won. What spontaneous burst of happiness it brought to the whole country.!! We really needed this morale booster. pearl 12663 415 31_Fw: 2 funerals READ AND FORWARD7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Mon, 14 May 2001 01:12:33 +0300558_iso-8859-1 I thought I would not forward these type of letters to you all, but then I thought "what right do I have to decide what you will not read?" You have to know what we live with and what has affected us so horribly this past week. This came close... the children were playmates and friends of Dvorah's children, Dvorah was friends with the families whose children were so brutally murdered. These boys are the last in a line of people from Tekoah who were murdered by Arabs over the years, starting with David Rosenfeld who was murdered by Arab [...] 13079 36 27_Re: yerushalayim shel zahav0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 19:53:11 EDT143_US-ASCII tammy-- I have a copy of the lyrics. I will bring it to camp committee meeting monday--let me know if that is soon enough.

lisa 13116 70 28_Fwd: Nytimes op ed on Israel0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sun, 13 May 2001 23:43:03 EDT17_US-ASCII

13187 23 19_Sa'adia Gelb's Book14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Sun, 13 May 2001 21:12:44 -0700429_iso-8859-1 I love the book!

.............

But the movie was better.

Albert Seattle

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does anyone have the hebrew (or transliteration) lyrics (or know where i can find them quickly) to yerushalayim shel zahav. we have the napster version but i'd rather not have to sit and copy words. thanks, tammy 13316 42 27_Re: yerushalayim shel zahav0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Mon, 14 May 2001 15:12:15 EDT488_US-ASCII thank you to everyone who came up with the lyrics for yerushalayim shel zahav. my daughter wanted to sing it at her confirmation. i called the cantor to check if it was okay and she said no?!?!?! she said it doesn't fit in the service. i'm dumbfounded because my daughter planned to dedicate it to yom yerushalayim, its such a beautiful song. luckily, this isn't my congregation just one my daughter attends for hebrew school (because her camp friends go there, why else!). tammy 13359 1466 27_is not acceptable. (Elinor13_shirley atlas21_lirshnel@iinet.net.au29_Tue, 15 May 2001 04:11:17 EDT11_ISO-8859-1 14826 19 15_Arise and Build0_17_Shulansid@aol.com29_Tue, 15 May 2001 08:36:49 EDT422_US-ASCII Shari suggests www.bibliofind.com might be a place to find Arise and Build

Shula

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We at the LZA are honoring Ben Cohen for his lifetime of service to the Labor Zionist movement. The luncheon will be held on Sunday, June 3 at 1:00 p.m. at the B'nai Zion building in New York (136 East 39th St. Btw Lexington and Third Avenues). If you'd like an invitation, email me directly. Lunch reservations are $50 a plate. We are also doing a journal book. If you are interesting in placing an ad, please mail me the text and a check according to the rates below. If you are interesting in coming and/or placing a [...] 14939 16 13_Upcoming trip9_Naomi Jay21_naomi_jay@hotmail.com31_Tue, 15 May 2001 09:48:51 -0700 14956 32 16_Misunderstanding14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com31_Tue, 15 May 2001 22:29:06 -0700857_iso-8859-1 But when you said:

GTMbzP+lFBc5WinXKGlL4hxmB5urtt/2gPSra5tewa+JyZW2kpkyUuzoPkZIsp6v8e86j dJMoUJciOvyA2k0KL0FZBfwgNWtNF0kMEgaYUEFTYZPvHOHRz/YDOhR0neinRAp0IeobY3vJeGkB

Didn't you mean:

i13kOX3cdGZT/3Xc/3UU/3UQagH/dSD/FYhAQACFwHRNV1dT /3Xc/3UM/3UI/xWQQEAAi/CJddg793Qy9kUNBHRAOX0cD4SyAAAAO3Ucfx7/dRz/dRhT/3Xc/3UM /3UI/xWQQEAAhcAPhY8AAAAzwI1lyItN8GSJDQAAAABfXlvJw8dF?

What the hell is all that stuff? Can we all just agree to use plain text formatting?

Hey hey hey naalayim...

Albert

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For anyone wishing to cheer on the first Habonim Dance ENsemble in 11 years (and especially for people attending the Giant Kumsitz the night before) at the 50th Anniversary Dance Festival, we have a block of tickets reserved but only a few takers. [...] 15019 19 43_Re: Festival Tix - Where Are We? CORRECTION0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Wed, 16 May 2001 03:15:35 EDT302_US-ASCII The price of Student/Senior tix is $10, not $12 as stated in my prior email. Also, checks should be mailed to Ilana Ron @ Habonim Dror North America - 114 West 26th St, Suite 1004 - NY, NY 10001. Don't forget to make the checks out to the Israel Dance Institute, not to Habonim Dror. ACC [...] 15039 19 15_Arise and Build0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Wed, 16 May 2001 04:30:44 EDT333_ISO-8859-1 Regarding the question of where to find "Arise and Build"; a couple of years ago, a few of us in Los Angeles were kicking around the idea of reprinting it. (Maybe "Adventures in Pioneering" also). If there is enough interest, perhaps we can revive the discussion. Perhaps it can go onto the National Habonim website! [...] 15059 120 17_Re: Upcoming trip7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 15 May 2001 22:53:26 +0300515_windows-1255 camp Mahanayim in Jerusalem, run by Americans and many if not most of the kids are American children of Olim. 02---6518597 or 02-6513354 or 02-6526483. You can write to them at David and Carol Goldstein, 9 Brand St., Har Nof, Jerusalem. I think it is a day camp. If so, they probably can steer you in the right direction for another camp suitable for your needs. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Naomi Jay To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 7:48 PM Subject: Upcoming trip [...] 15180 33 19_Re: Arise and Build11_Sue Freeman19_sfreeman@cfl.rr.com31_Wed, 16 May 2001 09:06:52 -0400608_iso-8859-1 Good idea! No longer have copy of book but would like to put my hands on one for memory's sake. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Arise and Build



> Regarding the question of where to find "Arise and Build"; a couple of years ago, a few of us in Los Angeles were kicking around the idea of reprinting it. (Maybe "Adventures in Pioneering" also). If there is enough interest, perhaps we can revive the discussion. > Perhaps it can go onto the National Habonim website! > > Ron Orenstein [...] 15214 262 27_Jerusalem Day and Nakba Day12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 16 May 2001 16:56:30 +0200567_us-ascii



The Days didn't begin with Intifada II, nor even with Intifada I but with the Six Day War



A View of Jerusalem T. Carmi 1 Soft light, green of treetops - one green, the fir; another, the pine. A blue nest in the middle for the morning bells - one bell for the fir; another for the pine. That is what the eyes see, that is what the ears hear in the northern window. There is nothing, nothing like Jerusalem, in which this distance says something obscure, muted and explicit. The birds see the sound, my wife sees the birds, [...] 15477 42 43_Re: Festival Tix - Where Are We? CORRECTION11_Sue Mackson16_susiem6@juno.com31_Wed, 16 May 2001 21:19:15 -0400603_- Again--dates?

Susie Mackson

On Wed, 16 May 2001 03:15:35 EDT SC523@aol.com writes: > The price of Student/Senior tix is $10, not $12 as stated in my prior > email. > Also, checks should be mailed to Ilana Ron @ Habonim Dror North > America - 114 > West 26th St, Suite 1004 - NY, NY 10001. Don't forget to make the > checks out > to the Israel Dance Institute, not to Habonim Dror. ACC > > ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org > -----------------------+ > Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org > A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an [...] 15520 52 32_Re: Festival Tix - Where Are We?11_Sue Mackson16_susiem6@juno.com31_Wed, 16 May 2001 21:10:18 -0400546_- Perhaps you might mention the date?

On Wed, 16 May 2001 03:12:58 EDT SC523@aol.com writes: > Dear Habonet readers within reach of New York, > > For anyone wishing to cheer on the first Habonim Dance ENsemble in > 11 years > (and especially for people attending the Giant Kumsitz the night > before) at > the 50th Anniversary Dance Festival, we have a block of tickets > reserved but > only a few takers. > > Please email Ilana Ron at money@habonimdror.org to let her know you > are > sending a check; then please make checks out to [...] 15573 27 32_Re: Festival Tix - Where Are We?0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 17 May 2001 00:10:49 EDT448_US-ASCII The 50th ANniversary performance of the Israeli Dance Festival is Sunday, June 3rd at 2:30 PM at Hofstra University on Long Island. If anyone is interested in attending for the whole weekend (entitled Horati! it includes accomodations and both sessions with many star choreographers teaching as well as freestyle dance sessions - email IDI_Nirkoda@juno.com and ask for a Horati! application if you're interested in the 4-day weekend. [...] 15601 32 24_MOre Dance Festival info0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 17 May 2001 00:20:57 EDT610_US-ASCII Forwarding this at Nomi Lehr's request:

Anyone in the NY Metro area or those attending the East Coast Kumsitz - As Aliya wrote in earlier posts, Habonim is back in the Israeli Folk Dance Festival after 11 years. She forgot to mention that the 50th Anniversary Isreali Folk Dance Festival will be held on Sunday June 3 at the Adams Playhouse on the campus of Hofstra University in Hempstead, NY (go to www.hofstra.edu for directions). Performance begins at 2:30PM. Tickets are $15 for Adults, $10 for Students/Seniors. Checks should be made out to Israeli Dance Institute and sent asap to: [...] 15634 40 34_Memorial Day Weekend Dance SEssion0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Thu, 17 May 2001 00:52:16 EDT450_US-ASCII Here's a dance session of Golden Israeli Oldies that might interest people in New York for Memorial Day weekend:

Saturday May 26 8pm - ?? End-of-Season Special Saturday Night Marathon and Party with special guests for last session before the summer break (unless otherwise notified) Contribution $10

Also:

Save the Dates August 31 - September 3 Labor Day Weekend The 10th Annual Shorashim -- Roots of Israeli Dance [...] 15675 86 12_Fw: Epilogue7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 16 May 2001 23:53:18 +0300582_iso-8859-1 one cannot but be affected

----- Original Message ----- From: Eli Birnbaum To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: Epilogue



> > Epilogue > > I just returned from a long talk with Yossie and Koby's age group. > The mourning tent which they put up one week and ages ago was flapping > in the cool wind and the plastic chairs were jumbled on the grass. . > The shiva is now over but they were arguing about keeping the tent up > till the end of 30 days . It [...] 15762 114 69_Fwd: Special Dance Issue of the Jewish Folklore aned Ethnology Review0_17_Shulansid@aol.com29_Thu, 17 May 2001 19:41:15 EDT85_US-ASCII I'm sending this along, perhaps it will be of interest to some "habonetters" 15877 21 18_Thank you to Pearl13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Fri, 18 May 2001 08:01:19 -0400540_us-ascii Dear Pearl, Thank you for sharing the letter from Eli Birnbaum. You do us a valuable favor by giving us insight into how people are thinking and feeling in the wake of tragedy. Shalom uv'racha, Judy Gelman

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Jewish Labor Committee. Open to the public.

Speakers include: Patricia Compos, UNITE; Jennie Markowitz, United Jewish Committees; Yaniro Merino, Laborers' International Union of North America

WHEN/ WHERE Wednesday, May 30, 12 Noon Laborers International Union of North America 905 Sixteenth Street, NW, 6th Floor (near Farragut North Red Line or McPherson Square Blue Line Metro) [...] 15935 28 8_sad news12_Brian Cooper21_BCooper@descartes.com31_Fri, 18 May 2001 10:07:28 -0400342_iso-8859-1 Friends,

Carol Goldhaber died in her home on Kibbutz Gezer a few hours ago. Nancy (Berlow, my wife) has been there this past week and a half to support the tremendous group of friends who had been caring for Carol and supporting Carol throughout her increasing illness. Good friends were with her when she passed away. [...] 15964 39 3_FW:15_Leo Diesendruck18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Sat, 19 May 2001 08:19:16 +0200631_windows-1255



-----Original Message----- From: Leo Diesendruck [mailto:leodie@isdn.net.il] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 8:10 AM To: HABONET Subject:



This is being written one short block away from the latest bomb attack in Netanya. As far as we know, no one in the Labor Zionist family in Netanya was affected - I myself passed through that entrance of the shopping center only a few hours before and do so at least once a day. Since the event took place on Friday no Israeli newspapers have yet come out with lists. Last evening there was a birthday dinner here for Lenny Zurakov, formerly from [...] 16004 45 12_Jewish Dance16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 19 May 2001 08:29:04 -0400417_us-ascii A special Jewish Dance issue of the Jewish Folklore and Ethnology Review, Vol. 20, nos. 1-2 2000, guest edited by Judith Brin-Ingber, has just appeared. It is a substantial issue, at 208 pages.

Included in this issue, among many others, is the following article:

2.Jill Gellerman, "Simcha Bais hasho'eva in Crown Heights: Rehearsing for the Ultimate Simcha Among the Lubavitcher Hasidim." [...] 16050 16 21_Re: Ben Cohen Tribute0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 19 May 2001 08:31:27 EDT343_US-ASCII



------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 16067 58 3_Re:7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 19 May 2001 21:05:48 +0300533_windows-1255 are we supposed to breathe a sigh of relief that no one from the Labour Zionist family was "affected" by the latest attack? I am amazed that that would be in anyone's mind at all. Jews were killed, not reform, not athiest, not orthodox, not labor zionist, just Jews. We don't have to look at what their politics are when they are killed for being Jews. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Leo Diesendruck To: HABONET Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: FW: [...] 16126 42 22_Re: Thank you to Pearl7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 19 May 2001 21:46:52 +0300509_iso-8859-1 Judy, thank you for your encouraging letter! Actually, I sent at least three of the letters that Eli wrote. If you did not see them please let me know and I shall be happy to send them to you directly. (Eli works for the sochnut, lives in Tekoa, and runs the tachlis list which is for Jews contemplating aliya. The list is very helpful to potential olim.) I try to send material that gives the other side to the picture than what is normally seen in papers. all the best and shavua tov, pearl [...] 16169 58 3_Re:0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Sat, 19 May 2001 16:32:11 EDT571_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/19/01 3:10:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skolnik@netvision.net.il writes:



> are we supposed to breathe a sigh of relief that no one from the Labour >

Pearl - you missed Leo's point entirely. Please remember that you are participating in a HABONIM DROR alumni mailing list made up of many people who know each other personally. Leo was reporting to those of us who have friends from the movement who made aliya to Netanya that everyone is OK. His statement does not have the political purpose that you read into it. [...] 16228 37 12_RE: sad news12_Brian Cooper21_BCooper@descartes.com31_Sat, 19 May 2001 17:54:17 -0400561_iso-8859-1 The funeral will be in Long Island at 2:00 PM Monday at Gutterman's. If anyone would like more information please email me.

--brian

> -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Cooper > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:07 AM > To: Habonet (E-mail) > Subject: sad news > > > Friends, > > Carol Goldhaber died in her home on Kibbutz Gezer a few hours > ago. Nancy (Berlow, my wife) has been there this past week > and a half to support the tremendous group of friends who had > been caring for Carol and supporting Carol throughout her > [...] 16266 20 23_Our chaverim in Netanya9_Ben Cohen14_bencee@rcn.com31_Sat, 19 May 2001 18:25:06 -0400610_iso-8859-1 Thanks to Ken Bob for injecting a little civility and reason into this difficult situation. Of course, we are concerned for all Jews, but Leo responded to our inquiries about personal friends. No "discrimination" was ever intended. A little less hysteria, please. Ben Cohen

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I am angry, frustrated and sad, and fell powerless to do anything about it. I grew up-as a product of the sixties - really believing in the ability of man to overcome his weaknesses - to be able to love one another, talk, and work out problems somehow without killing each other. We can send information around the world in milliseconds, have transplanted body parts, have cars and cellphones, have put people into outer space and walked on the Moon-and yet we still kill each other. We have great leaders and intellectuals, and writers and scientists, and college professors and [...] 16340 22 12_Re: sad news0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 20 May 2001 00:17:33 EDT294_US-ASCII Brian,

For those of us who knew Carol but didn't know she'd been ill, could you please let us know a bit? I'm sure she had many supporters who are on Habonet who might not have known this sad news.

Thanks, and may all be comforted among the mourners of Tzion, Aliya [...] 16363 21 0_15_Leo Diesendruck18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Sun, 20 May 2001 07:29:19 +0200400_windows-1255 Re: Netanya

Thanks for the clarifying comments to Pearl Skolnik's remarks - I couldn't have said it better myself. According to my database there are some 46 former H-D, LZA etc. members living in Netanya. So there are potentially over a hundred people in the US worried about their possibly having been affected by the bombing. This is to which I was addressing my remarks. [...] 16385 21 12_RE: sad news13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Sun, 20 May 2001 14:34:23 +0200452_us-ascii A memorial page for Carol has been put up at: http://128.121.228.96/carol/



Avi Rosenberg Kibbutz Gezer

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At 04:30 AM 5/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >Regarding the question of where to find "Arise and Build"; a couple of >years ago, a few of us in Los Angeles were kicking around the idea of >reprinting it. (Maybe "Adventures in Pioneering" also). If there is enough >interest, perhaps we can revive the discussion. >Perhaps it can go onto the National Habonim website! > >Ron Orenstein > [...] 16437 96 5_lists0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Sun, 20 May 2001 13:58:31 EDT638_US-ASCII I've clipped this from the latest email from Arthur Waskow, for those who are interested.

Debbie

Here's an up-to-date chronological list of Israeli dead:

http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0ia50

This chronological list of Palestinian dead runs only until March 31, 2001:

http://www.palestineaffairscouncil.org/martyrs.htm

Here are lists of the dead on both sides, categorized according to their status, the status of those who killed them, and place of death. The Palestinian citizens of Israel killed by Israeli security forces during demonstrations in October are not included: [...] 16534 20 22_Boston to NYC Kumsitz?14_Barry Grushkin26_103640.2135@compuserve.com31_Mon, 21 May 2001 10:59:17 -0400474_us-ascii

Is anyone from the Boston area traveling down to the NYC kumsitz? Would like to talk. Send a note. Barry Grushkin BLG23@Cornell.edu

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<< Could someone educate me as to what the Israelis have against a freeze on settlements? >>



And for our next question why would someone object to a cure for cancer or easing hunger and poverty in the world. Some questions just have no good answer. [...] 16611 38 23_Re: The Mitchell Report10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Mon, 21 May 2001 17:05:40 -0400352_us-ascii

><< Could someone educate me as to what the Israelis have against a freeze >on >settlements? >> > >To which, At 04:48 PM 2001-05-21 -0400, Smfgrappa@aol.com wrote:

>And for our next question why would someone object to a cure for cancer or >easing hunger and poverty in the world. Some questions just have no good >answer. [...] 16650 106 23_Re: The Mitchell Report11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Mon, 21 May 2001 18:23:26 -0700592_us-ascii To Richard Smith

There certainly would be little wrong in freezing settlement at this time (temporarily),to allow the Arabs to show a little good faith by responding "Ah, good! NOW we can sit back at the negotiating table!"

To go beyond temporary? Is that your question? In my mind, it would be similar to the US (or any other "legitimate" country) agreeing to stop building within its own territory. Is it an admission of illigitimacy, not having a right to choose to build or not to build? I think that after the Arabs win back sovereignty, then they can choose [...] 16757 17 4_help0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Mon, 21 May 2001 23:21:46 EDT469_US-ASCII I'm embarrassed not to know the answer, but please give me the mailing address of the Labor Zionist National Office. Todah rabah, judy

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In a message dated 5/21/1 10:04:00 AM, 103640.2135@compuserve.com writes:

<< Is anyone from the Boston area traveling down to the NYC kumsitz? Would like to talk. Send a note. >>

Come guys - there's such a good contingent that travels UP from D.C. each year - how about a nice contingent that travels DOWN from Boston? [...] 16801 45 17_Settlement Freeze33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Tue, 22 May 2001 08:42:23 +0200388_us-ascii Hi!

I just wanted to point out that due to the nature of this list and the people on it, I'm sure there are very few people (aside from maybe Pearl) who could come up with a good answer (from an ideological point of view) as to why we don't put a freeze on settlements. That doesn't mean that good answers to this question don't exist. We just don't believe in them. [...] 16847 235 8_Re: help0_13_Mmxmm@aol.com29_Tue, 22 May 2001 03:22:34 EDT525_ISO-8859-1 Gush Shalom, the Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy- MIFTAH, the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and LAW held a joint Palestinian-Israeli press conference on Monday, May 21st, 2001, at 10:00 at the American Colony Hotel in east Jerusalem.

This press conference was held at the wake of Israel's attack on targets in the heavily populated cities of Ramallah, Nablus, Tulkarem, and Gaza on Friday May 18th, 2001, using US-supplied F16 fighter aircrafts. [...] 17083 27 8_Re: help10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Tue, 22 May 2001 06:14:48 -0400369_us-ascii Excuse me chaverim, because even I am not usually this blunt. This "joint statement" is utter horseshit. I await the stones.

Ori

At 03:22 AM 2001-05-22 -0400, Mmxmm@aol.com wrote: >Following is the joint statement issued at the conference: > >A JUST PEACE: THE ONLY WAY OUT >A JOINT PALESTINIAN-ISRAELI APPEAL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY [...] 17111 147 14_ny times op ed11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 22 May 2001 12:54:13 -0400610_iso-8859-1 Below is an op-ed piece from the NY Times. I could quibble with a few of his statements, such as the reference to "One hundred years of Palestinian history" but I think for the most part he is right on.

Noam

++++

It Only Gets Worse

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The long-awaited Mitchell commission report about Israeli-Palestinian violence was released yesterday, and now there is a debate over what to do with its recommendations. I have a suggestion. It's kind of a two-for-one deal. Take all the Mitchell reports, make a big pile out of them, and set them ablaze [...] 17259 228 40_Fw: Off Topic: 57 websites about Shavuot7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 22 May 2001 10:59:32 +0300632_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob Richman To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:59 AM Subject: Off Topic: 57 websites about Shavuot



> Hi Everyone! > > Shavuot is the Jewish holiday that celebrates the giving > of the Torah, the first harvest, and the ripening of the > first fruits. The two day festival (1 day in Israel) begins > on Sunday evening, May 27, 2001. > > Below are 57 websites about Shavuot, ranging from laws > and customs to games and recipes. For your convenience, > the sites are also hyper-linked [...] 17488 266 49_Fw: CHAG SAMEACH!!!!! 73 websites about Jerusalem7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Tue, 22 May 2001 11:03:18 +0300716_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: Shoshanna Walker To: Endtimes Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:07 AM Subject: CHAG SAMEACH!!!!! 73 websites about Jerusalem



> PLEASE FORWARD > > > > > >"Jerusalem Day" is celebrated this year on Monday, May 21, 2001. > >Below are 73 websites to learn about this ancient / modern city. > >For your convenience, the sites are also hyper-linked > >online at: > >http://www.jr.co.il/hotsites/i-jer.htm > > > >Live Camera From the Kotel - Jerusalem > >http://www.thewall.org > > > >Western Wall Tunnel Tour > >http://aish.com/seminars/tunneltour/ > > > >Jerusalem Mosaic (English & Hebrew) [...] 17755 1647 27_which social justice causes14_Jessica Silver26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 22 May 2001 19:49:55 -040011_ISO-8859-1 19403 28 31_Re: which social justice causes0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Tue, 22 May 2001 20:09:55 EDT48_US-ASCII don't download this file, its infected! 19432 60 31_Re: which social justice causes9_Ehud Gelb20_gelb@agri.huji.ac.il31_Wed, 23 May 2001 06:40:31 +0300720_us-ascii

DISCOVER.EXE" HAS A VIRUS

At 19:49 22/05/01 -0400, you wrote: >And inspired enough to write and implement quality peulot? (activities) 1. _social justice in the jewish context________________ 2.________________ > >VI. Skills you might possess as a madrich/a: >What kind of peulot are you good at planning and running?__I am good at running any sort of group building game/activity/discussion_____________________ >Describe your ruach level _so extremely high that at services I get told to be quiet______________________________________________ >Will you be able to teach Shira, Rikud or Ivrit? _only shira and ivrit- they are my specialties_ >How comfortable are you with speaking in front [...] 19493 18 12_Link Sausage12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 23 May 2001 08:03:56 +0200356_us-ascii Pearl I want to ask you not to post long lists of links. This is not thought control but a plea to send the sorcerer's apprentice somewhere else. S/He has gotten out of hand and today there were 10 pages of links on Shavuot and Jerusalem. May I suggest that you inform the list of what they can get through you and invite them to ask for it? [...] 19512 33 17_Settlement Freeze9_Norm Kane19_normk@earthlink.net31_Tue, 22 May 2001 23:38:45 -0700374_us-ascii >From listening to all kinds of radio interviews and various news sources the central reason fro rejecting the call to freeze expansion of the settlements is to avoid appearing to reward the Palestinians. It is thought that if any concessions is made at this time the Palestinians will interpret this as a victory for lynchings, suicide bombings and violence. [...] 19546 16 12_Viruses,etc.14_The Bernhardts24_miriam_b@neve-ilan.co.il31_Wed, 23 May 2001 07:35:09 +0300377_us-ascii What in the h--- is going on with viruses?

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Deborah

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On most listserv type programs, there are ways of setting them up so attachments are not permitted. I don't know if Habonet is on such a system.

Viruses travel by ATTACHMENTS, NOT by email. An attachment is something attached to an email, such as a picture or an article. [...] 19724 54 16_Re: Link Sausage0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 23 May 2001 11:50:16 EDT575_US-ASCII Pearl started sending these links out because of me- I had asked for them when I was working at the "synagogue" run by "Rabbi" Mordecai Finley-...and was asked by our youth director- a young kid who had a weak Jewish background for some websites about Sukkot or Simchat Torah. I was amazed at the plethora of Pearl's abundance of information that she emailed to me- and the links were very helpful to theYouth Director.. Since then, I looked forward to them myself for information. And since then, they have been a big help on some questions I could not answer [...] 19779 54 16_Re: Link Sausage11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Wed, 23 May 2001 12:04:39 -0400531_us-ascii Hi Susie,

I think you are overracting. Amnon was polite in his request (I find your response a better example of the hate on this list you decry) and he was quite clear that he receives habonet in digest form so the simple delete you suggest is not an option unless he wants to jettison the rest of the day's messages as well. I don't think a request to announce the availability of a set of links for people to ask for if they are interested is out of line. I note that Pearl indicates she feels they are off [...] 19834 25 16_RE: Viruses,etc.12_Brian Cooper21_BCooper@descartes.com31_Wed, 23 May 2001 13:43:26 -0400466_iso-8859-1 > On most listserv type programs, there are ways of setting them up so > attachments are not permitted. I don't know if Habonet is on > such a system.

No, habonet is not at this time. We have asked for that feature and we may get it, and when we do, I will most certainly disable attachments. For now, as I have urged many times in the past, please DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS. Also, please avoid, HTML email and RTF email, and anything but TEXT. [...] 19860 34 16_RE: Viruses,etc.0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 23 May 2001 15:48:49 EDT356_ISO-8859-1 Brian said:

Also, please avoid, HTML email and RTF email, and anything but TEXT.





Thanks, I hadn't realized that. I found out from another list that AOL 6.0, which I had been using, sends out email in RTF (rich text format)/ HTML, which was resulting in all my notes to THAT list coming through as attachments. [...] 19895 29 21_Re: Settlement Freeze0_17_Smfgrappa@aol.com29_Wed, 23 May 2001 17:01:56 EDT308_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/23/2001 2:32:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, normk@earthlink.net writes:

Right on Norm. You are right and so few of us have the courage to stand up to the settlers and their friends. I think the time has come for a new resolution. No settlements beyond the Green line. [...] 19925 88 19_Yesterday's posting14_Jessica Silver26_foundation@habonimdror.org31_Wed, 23 May 2001 19:23:28 -0400378_iso-8859-1 Yesterday my computer was infected with a virus, which I believe I have now eliminated (thanks to a long overdue Norton anti-virus upgrade).

Due to the infection, my computer sent parts of old emails at random to people from my email address book, sometimes alone, and sometimes with the virus as an attachment. One of these messages was sent to Habonet. [...] 20014 53 27_Re: Thomas Friedman's op-ed0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Wed, 23 May 2001 19:56:18 EDT584_US-ASCII Noam quotes Tom Friedman's excellent editorial in Tuesday's NY Times

++++

It Only Gets Worse

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN





LZA National President, Jeffry Mallow, send this letter to the NY Times in response.

To the editor:

Thomas Friedman's op-ed (May 22) , "It Only Gets Worse", provides an excellent analysis of the current bloodshed between Israel and the Palestinians. I only contest his statement, "The inability of American Jewish leaders... to speak out against settlement expansion... is a blot on all of them." [...] 20068 26 12_RTF and HTML0_14_Vered4@aol.com29_Wed, 23 May 2001 23:09:53 EDT530_US-ASCII I learn something new everyday! Thanks for the info about AOL 6.0 sending all e-mail in RTF form - which comes as an attachment. I had no idea.

I had switched from AOL 5.0 to 6.0 and I didn't like 6.0 at all. A friend of mine, who works for AOL, suggested going back to AOL 5.0 which seems to do things "normally" and not send e-mail out as attachments. I have been much happier now that I went back to using 5.0! So, those of you out there who think you HAVE to download the new versions......stick with the [...] 20095 70 23_Re: Cleaning up Habonet0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 24 May 2001 00:28:47 EDT568_US-ASCII Chevre, shalom

Per Brian's message below, (please DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS. Also, please avoid, HTML email and RTF email, and anything but TEXT.) the same might be said about using the forward button to send messages. When you do that it invariably includes a lot of junk headers and footers that come with messages that no one needs to receive. It would be a far far better thing (where have I read that line before?) if you copied the "good parts" of the message you really want others to see, then paste that, and that alone, into your Email to [...] 20166 30 13_Pearl's Links33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Thu, 24 May 2001 11:13:51 +0200450_us-ascii Hi!

I actually find Pearl's links interesting, informative and useful. If she doesn't keep sending them to the list, I would be happy to receive them privately.

BTW, anyone know why my digest came with a blue background today?

Harry

--- Harry Cohen & Shoshana Baumgarten Home ICQ: 746842 Jerusalem, Israel AIM: shoharry shoharry@inorbit.com Yahoo Messenger: shoharry http://members.fortunecity.com/shoharry/ [...] 20197 115 41_Re: joint Palestinian-Israeli declaration13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Thu, 24 May 2001 13:53:41 -0400482_iso-8859-1 Ori Siegel had written, in response to Mark's posting of the joint Palestinian-Israeli statement:

> Excuse me chaverim, because even I am not usually this blunt. This "joint > statement" is utter horseshit. I await the stones. > > Ori > > At 03:22 AM 2001-05-22 -0400, Mmxmm@aol.com wrote: > >Following is the joint statement issued at the conference: > > > >A JUST PEACE: THE ONLY WAY OUT > >A JOINT PALESTINIAN-ISRAELI APPEAL TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY [...] 20313 216 41_Fw: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, May 23, 20017_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 24 May 2001 00:44:11 +0300495_iso-8859-1 Thought this might be of interest to you all. I tried to cut as best I could to make it more manageable for those who find it difficult to handle. #1 below is particularly distressing... pearl ----- Original > > > TODAY'S HEADLINES: > 1. MASS-PRODUCTION OF MORTAR SHELLS IN GAZA > 2. PM SHARON: FIRST CEASEFIRE, THEN COOLING-OFF PERIOD, THEN SETTLEMENT > FREEZE > 3. P.A. CONTINUES VIOLENCE; ONE DEAD > 4. GILO PROTEST > > 6. KACH STILL ILLEGAL > 7. VISITING THE ENEMY'S WOUNDED [...] 20530 51 64_Re: Fw: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, May 23, 2001- mortar production11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 24 May 2001 14:14:31 -0400325_us-ascii This was also reported in today's Washington Post. In conjunction with the claim by the skipper of the intercepted ship carrying katushas etc that several other ships had gotten through this does not bode well.

Let us hope that both sides can find a way to halt the violence before it escalates further. [...] 20582 42 18_Re: Arutz-7 "News"13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Thu, 24 May 2001 14:40:16 -0400599_iso-8859-1 Did you see this? I couldn't believe my eyes! Any Palestinian, no matter who, or when, or where, is just plain simply A TERRORIST!

> 7. VISITING THE ENEMY'S WOUNDED > Members of the left-wing Meretz party visited wounded PLO terrorists > today. The terrorists were wounded earlier this week in the Israeli > retaliatory air-raid. The Meretz delegation also met with PA security > chief Jibril Rajoub in PLO-controlled Ramallah in his home. His home was > damaged by Israeli jets after it had been used by snipers to shoot at > Israeli targets. President Moshe Katzav told the [...] 20625 20 18_Re: Arutz-7 "News"0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 24 May 2001 14:53:07 EDT352_ISO-8859-1 Yuval, the only other person I know who puts any stock in the Arutz-7 reporting is a born-again Christian who, like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, wants us all to make aliya so Jesus can come back.

It was my sense from reading his stuff that Arutz-7 is (duh!) to the right and is beloved of right-wing conservative Christians. [...] 20646 72 27_Re: Thomas Friedman's op-ed7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 24 May 2001 22:53:58 +0300416_iso-8859-1 I am so glad the Labor Zionist Alliance was not around when the kibbutzim settlements were set up! Where would be today if they were? After all, more than one was built on Arab land. An example: Bar Am. The Labor Zionist Alliance which I understand is centered in the United States of America is also wrong in stating that the majority of Israelis are against the settlements. Patently untrue. pearl [...] 20719 33 27_re: Thomas Friedman's op-ed0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Thu, 24 May 2001 17:35:34 EDT446_ISO-8859-1 Pearl, you said:

The Labor Zionist Alliance which I understand is centered in the United States of America is also wrong in stating that the majority of Israelis are against the settlements. Patently untrue.



OK, I'll bite. On what basis do you say it's untrue? Please give the citation, if it was a study or a survey. If it is just your own opinion that it's "patently untrue," I wish you would just SAY so. [...] 20753 74 28_Fwd: Thomas Friedman's op-ed0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Thu, 24 May 2001 18:47:25 EDT17_US-ASCII

20828 62 11_Settlements17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Fri, 25 May 2001 03:07:53 +0200506_Windows-1252 25 May 2001

Shalom Sam:

In Habonet Digest 1892, you wrote, "" I think the time has come for a new resolution. No settlements beyond the Green line. "" I would appreciate it if you could be more specific about this resolution.

Do you mean no new settlements should be constructed in the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan Territories, or do you mean that existing Jewish settlements in the Territories should be dismantled and/or handed over to the Palestinians and to Syria? [...] 20891 54 25_BarAm & "Patently Untrue"12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 25 May 2001 20:33:11 +0200488_us-ascii Selecting kibbutz Bar am as proof of a specious argument is as well founded as the claim that the majority of Israelis are not against the settlements is "Patently untrue." Sorry for the convulouted syntax but it is as nought compared to the factuality of the original statement. Kibbutz Baram is one of the ( admittedly too few) kibbutzim who tried to convince other kibbutzim and moshavim to give back land to the Israeli Arab citizens of the villages of Biram and Ikrit. [...] 20946 22 29_Re: BarAm & "Patently Untrue"0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 14:30:47 EDT379_ISO-8859-1 Amnon, thank you. Thank you for your use of language, your ideas, and for sharing the poetry.

I am still waiting for Pearl's response to her claim that Israeli disaffection with the settlements is "patently untrue."

And FWIW, the "big bear", Ursa Major, is the correct Latin name for the Big Dipper as well, as any crossword puzzle fan should know. [...] 20969 68 32_Re(2): BarAm & "Patently Untrue"14_Steve Schreier13_steve@ats.org31_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:16:50 -0400588_ISO-8859-1 I haven't had much to add to the exchanges about truths, untruths, lies or big lies. I'm not sure any insights I have would be helpful to anyone-including me. But, when Amnon writes, he gets read. So, to Debbie (obviously a fellow crossword-puzzle fan) and Amnon (from a fan).....Two points: 1. Living in LA, we all believe that the big dipper is really "SHAQ". And, cutting my political teeth in Vancouver, I first read the big bear in heat as Mother Russia. But, that's Canada for you. 2. My humble approach to understanding "THE TRUTH", )unless somebody is prepared to [...] 21038 142 24_Two Zionist job openings0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:19:44 EDT540_US-ASCII Hey Chevre, Shabat Shalom v'Chag Sameach.

Chaver Steve =============================================

An opening at the Embassy of Israel:

Officer of Academic Affairs





The Embassy of Israel in Washington, DC is seeking a qualified individual to

fill the position of Academic Affairs Officer. Applicants should be

familiar with the university systems and the structure of Jewish and Israel

organizations, possess excellent management and communication skills, and [...] 21181 38 36_Re: Re(2): BarAm & "Patently Untrue"0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:29:17 EDT628_ISO-8859-1 Steve, you said:

3. So, Debbie (who I don't think I know) , would you feel better if Pearl could indeed document the way Israelis feel today about settlement polciies? Does today's 'feeling' really impact on the future of Israel and the middle east? Didn't attitudes change about relations with Egypt pre and post Sadat? Why would we think that Israelis are so unidimensional that they have one opinion that is not alterable? It's probably true that-whether it's a majority or not-a significant percentage of Israelis do support the settlement policy; just as there's a pretty significant of Israelis who [...] 21220 59 36_RE: Re(2): BarAm & "Patently Untrue"9_Martin S.20_emskol@bellsouth.net31_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:29:51 -0400613_iso-8859-1 This is why Steve Schreier will always be remembered as one of my best madrichim...

> 2. My humble approach to understanding "THE TRUTH", )unless somebody is > prepared to spend alot of time, money, effort, etc to doing the right > research) is somewhat naively common-sensical. I was in Israel > recently(for 4 days-that's why I didn't call), and did read someplace that > some 68% of Israelis supported Sharon and his policies regarding the > Pales. Author. I do remember how unreliable statistics can be, and the > scholarly questioner would ask things like: When? What policies? [...] 21280 49 14_scary but true0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:36:31 EDT580_ISO-8859-1 The New York Times May 25, 2001 By LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Two words spoken in testimony before a House subcommittee on Wednesday have set off a new furor over President Bush's proposal to channel government money to religious social service programs.

The words were those of the Rev. John D. Castellani, president of the drug-treatment program Teen Challenge International U.S.A., who testified that while some of the Jewish clients who had gone through his evangelical Christian program returned to their Jewish faith, others had become "completed Jews." [...] 21330 60 18_Re: scary but true11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Fri, 25 May 2001 15:58:06 -0700335_us-ascii On a similar note and to once more revisit the Jews for Jesus thing, I was told this week that this group is focusing on and has launched a summer long effort in San Francisco. And in fact, I have run into them at almost every public event held in the city lately. Is anyone aware if any other cities have been targeted? [...] 21391 24 18_Re: scary but true0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 19:10:18 EDT350_US-ASCII In the summer of 1999, I stayed in Woodland Hills, CA with cousins Ellen and Bernie Ginsburg z"l. A couple of things happened while I was there. One was that shooting at the JCC. Also, in Woodland Hills, which I think is a very Jewish area, the J4J were holding a convention, and all the street lights had J4J banners flying from them. [...] 21416 54 18_Re: scary but true0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 19:43:26 EDT268_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/25/01 4:11:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DebALev@aol.com writes:



> and all the street lights had > J4J banners flying from them. > > Repugnant. > > I remember those banners- but hey- this is America...sue > >



21471 26 18_Re: scary but true0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 19:46:56 EDT392_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/25/01 4:44:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, LiberHawke@aol.com writes:

> I remember those banners- but hey- this is America...sue



So it is......but just like the Nazis went to Skokie and not Cicero, the J4Js went to a Jewish neighborhood. I'm not surprised., and I they certainly have the LEGAL right to do that, but it's still REPUGNANT. [...] 21498 226 11_A Statement32_(David Friedman) Friedart Studio18_david@friedart.com31_Fri, 25 May 2001 17:59:38 -0700773_US-ASCII FYI: I received this email today...

David Friedman Portland, OR

---------- Von: portsideMod@netscape.net Antworten an: portside@yahoogroups.com Datum: Fri, 25 May 2001 17:21:36 -0400 An: portside@yahoogroups.com Betreff: Joint Israeli-Palestinian appeal to the international community

A Joint Palestinian-Israeli Appeal to the International Community: A Just Peace, The Only Way Out

It becomes ever clearer that, in pursuing its insane goal of opening the occupied territories to unlimited Jewish settlement, the Sharon regime in Israel has undertaken escalating an unlimited violence to cow the Palestinians into submission, to physically destroy their leadership and, if possible, completely drive them away from their homeland. [...] 21725 22 15_Re: Settlements0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 23:31:39 EDT443_US-ASCII I'm sure you know that talking to some of the chachamim on Habonet is worse that hitting your head against a brick wall. Sam is one of them very frequently, and I've stopped reading him and some of the others. I just get on every few days to find 50 t0 90 messages, and try to get to the few I really want to see. If you want a couple of other interesting (and not as argumentative) Jewish websites I can point you to some. judy [...] 21748 18 15_Re: Settlements0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Fri, 25 May 2001 23:39:56 EDT494_US-ASCII Boy, is that posting an embarrassment!! I was sending it to marty as a continuation of a long conversation about arguments. Sorry if any one hates me for that.

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------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 21785 132 15_Re: A Statement0_14_BUBELE@aol.com29_Sat, 26 May 2001 01:53:11 EDT626_US-ASCII To thgose who want to believe the "so-called" Joint Palestinian-Israeli Appeal....

I am amazed and distressed at this so-called joint appeal that nonverbally suggests an equal desire and commitment to peace by Arabs and Jews as though there is a group of equal size on each side of this terrible violence calling for an end to the violence by all parties. Though the aim is admirable, the suppositions are both inaccurate and foolish deespite all our praying and trying to work for peace. This piece itself is a skewed appeal, directed definitely towards the "Israeli aggressors" doing all these horrible [...] 21918 83 10_brick wall11_Phil Safier17_psafier@elixa.com31_Sat, 26 May 2001 01:24:58 -0600 22002 87 22_Scary? Repugnant? True0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Sat, 26 May 2001 12:22:10 EDT363_UTF-8 Perhaps I'll be poking at an open wound here but I fail to see what is so scary about the whole Jews for Jesus stuff. Don't get me wrong, I oppose Bush's proposal to help fund “faith-based” organizations as much as anyone, probably more. I just don’t understand what people find so dangerous, or repugnant, about the “completed Jew” concept. [...] 22090 78 29_What hapened to our ideolagy.0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Sat, 26 May 2001 13:04:43 EDT504_US-ASCII I just retuned from my Torah study session and was thinking of all the problems in Israel. You know I blame most of the on the fundamentalists who in the name of religion are destroying the essence of Judaism.

I read the second prayer after the Shama and wonder if the lack of rain is in retribution for the way the State has allowed the settlements to develop. I see the way we have treated the Ger (read Israeli Arabs) and wonder if this is why the crops do not have enough water. [...] 22169 80 19_A Moment of Silence33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Sun, 27 May 2001 00:35:50 +0200307_us-ascii Hi!

I would just like to suggest a moment of silence for the victims of the wedding hall tragedy in Jerusalem. I'm sure most of you have read about it and probably seen the videos. I've just spent 30 of the last 48 hours there digging and trust me when I say it looked worse in person! [...] 22250 102 43_To Steve:: Re(2): BarAm & "Patently Untrue"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 00:12:15 +0300538_iso-8859-1 steve, thanks for understanding. I agree I do not have to prove anything. I have my hand on the pulse and am enough in control of my faculties to know what is happening in Israel and what people think. Our opinions and understanding are formed from a thousand and one stimuli. We live and breathe this situation 24 hours around the clock. We are not sleeping nights because of what is happening. For the first time in 40 years in Israel I worry that there may not be an Israel in the future. Even in the worst days of the [...] 22353 75 45_answer to Amnon.Re: BarAm & "Patently Untrue"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 00:36:54 +0300478_iso-8859-1 >From what I remember it was dafke Bar Am which refused to return land to Biram and Ikrit. This was not so long ago, and I specifically used that example because they refused to return the land. If I am wrong then my source in Ma'ariv was also wrong. I shall try to verify it, if I can. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Amnon Hadary To: Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: BarAm & "Patently Untrue" [...] 22429 78 26_"proof" and other answers.7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 01:14:16 +0300605_iso-8859-1 Deb, shalom, in answer to your challenge.... Read the Israeli press on a daily basis, speak to Israelis on a daily basis in Israel, listen to the media commentaries, read the opinion pages in the newspapers (I read three papers daily), read the letters to the editors, check the opinion polls.. You will then come to the same conclusion. The latest opinion polls state that Israelis, not a majority, are ready for a freeze on development if it will bring about a ceasefire from the Palestinian "Authority." Most people understand that today there is no difference between the yishuvim and [...] 22508 250 15_Re: A Statement7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 01:44:27 +0300584_iso-8859-1 It amazes me that they only call on Israel to stop the violence and attacks, but not one word about the violence initiated by the Palestinians. Not one word telling the Palestinians to stop their attacks or asking the world community to put an end to Palestinian terrorism. I am daily witness to Palestinian Arabs driving our roads, working in building projects, and shopping in our stores, without fear of attack. There is now a closure and they are not supposed to be inside Israel, but there they are daily. They don't even change their licence plates! A Jew doing [...] 22759 32 11_Settlements13_Michael Livni21_ml-lotan@zahav.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 07:45:53 -0700577_utf-8 Shalom Chaverim I will put my life on the Habonet line and express an opinion based on what I feel. My FEELING (I have absolutely no sources except the Barak - Sharon election swing) is that a majority (fluid) of Jewish Israelis would go for abandoning isolated settlements. These are the "vibes" that I get. I FEEL (no sources) that most Israelis (at this point in time) will not go for withdrawing from major settlement blocs. Nor would they agree to giving up the road to the Jordan Valley and the Northern Dead Sea settlements (e.g. Kalia, Almog Mitzpe Shalem.) [...] 22792 54 53_Comment On: "What Happened to our Ideology & an Offer13_Michael Livni21_ml-lotan@zahav.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 08:20:52 -0700349_utf-8 Shalom Habonet I would like to offer a different emphasis on the question of "What Happened to our Ideology". In my opinion, the fundamental divide among Jewish Israelis is between those who are Zionists and those who are Post Zionists. (The Post Zionists include both secular and religious--the latter usually being the ultra-orthodox). [...] 22847 40 26_What we read in the papers33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Sun, 27 May 2001 08:23:12 +0200618_us-ascii Hi!

Pearl Wrote:

>>>>"If I am wrong then my source in Ma'ariv was also wrong. I shall try to verify it, if I can."<<<<

From my recent experiences this year of being privy to actual situations (not necessarily political) and reading about these situations afterwards in the press, I would say don't depend on the press as a accurate source for your information and a basis for your opinion. The information is often so distorted and misleading as to give a completely different impression from the reality. As the old saying goes, don't believe everything you read. BTW, this message [...] 22888 225 47_Fw: CHAG SAMEACH!!!!! 57 websites about Shavuot7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 07:37:52 +0300531_iso-8859-1 I know this might be too late for the teachers out there, but I suppose it can be used anyway and even saved for next year. Since I get this second hand and not directly from Jacob, may I suggest that those who really need his holiday lists, as well as his Israeli hi-tech and computer job lists, please write him directly and ask to be put on his mailing list. I am really sorry for the length of this posting, as I understand it bothers Amnon, but I don't see any other possibility of sending it otherwise, and I [...] 23114 62 26_Re: Scary? Repugnant? True0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 27 May 2001 04:30:14 EDT322_US-ASCII Richard,

You must not have been on Habonet a few years ago when we had this same discussion: Here's a quick sum-up:

Premise: You CANNOT be Jewish and believe in God in the form of a man

Premise: You CANNOT be Jewish and believe in "God become flesh" which is what Jesus is to Christians [...] 23177 127 28_KUMSITZ THIS SATURDAY NIGHT!0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Sun, 27 May 2001 04:42:34 EDT361_US-ASCII Chevreh,

Here is the Kumsitz info one more time. People are driving from cities all over the East Coast. Please join us - bring instruments and shironim.

If you didn't mail in your form, you can email your reservation to money@habonimdror.org -- looking forward! Aliya Cheskis-Cotel and the Na'aleh CAmp Committee Kumsitz Organizers [...] 23305 77 42_the car bomb and the final nerve collapse.7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 16:08:14 +0300539_windows-1255 This is the week to forget: so many tragedies that you can't even remember which was the first or the last. One after another. I have begun to hold my breath, waiting...waiting.. for the next siren, the next wail of ambulances. One thing I have learned from it: you don't become immune. We have been sighing a lot of late. This morning I took a bus into town. Just as we got to Jaffa Rd, a huge boom, we look around and there is smoke rising from the Russian Compound. We turn around again and there are five police cars [...] 23383 57 30_Re: What we read in the papers7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 27 May 2001 16:13:53 +0300490_iso-8859-1 Believe me, after bitter experience of eight years dealing with the press and media I know that the media can not be trusted, but this was a notice that dovetailed with the political outlook of Ma'ariv, so I had no reason to not believe it. I shall still try to double check it. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen To: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: What we read in the papers [...] 23441 186 26_Re: Scary? Repugnant? True11_Steve Klein26_kleinsdesigns@socal.rr.com31_Sun, 27 May 2001 00:32:14 -0700543_iso-8859-1 Dear RichardSmith

If you don't get it, you may never get it. This is not a criticism or a dig. It just means that you might have to look a little further. Or not.

You may think that one religion is the same as the next. I have found them alittle different from each other, as relates to my experience as a Jew. Some of them even think it is grand to kill Jews for being Jews (Christianity dropped this from its basic Tenet a while back, and although there are some Christians who still believe this way, they are [...] 23628 67 16_Re: Link Sausage14_Tana Hemingway16_tanah@zianet.com31_Sun, 27 May 2001 15:06:38 -0600542_us-ascii I for one appreciate them! They save looking all over for the info I want and now I just do not have the time for that. Please keep them up, Pearl. Tanah (Queens Habonim '44-'48, esp.)

At 12:04 PM 5/23/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Susie, > >I think you are overracting. Amnon was polite in his request (I find >your response a better example of the hate on this list you decry) and >he was quite clear that he receives habonet in digest form so the simple >delete you suggest is not an option unless he wants to jettison the [...] 23696 43 23_Re: Cleaning up Habonet14_Tana Hemingway16_tanah@zianet.com31_Sun, 27 May 2001 15:22:19 -0600558_us-ascii There is nothing wrong with forwarding or replying if you have the courtesy to delete the garbage that others don't need. You do not have to cut and copy and it is quicker. Notice that this sending is a reply, yet it lacks most of the garbage.

Tana

At 12:28 AM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >Chevre, shalom >.... >same might be said about using the forward button to send messages. When you >do that it invariably includes a lot of junk headers and footers that come >with messages that no one needs to receive. It would be a far far [...] 23740 38 12_What J4J is.14_Barry Grushkin26_103640.2135@compuserve.com31_Mon, 28 May 2001 15:48:56 -0400462_us-ascii "Jews for Jesus" is actually an official but covert branch of the Southern Baptists, who are committed to converting all Jews, by any means necessary. This was stated in a lecture I attended by Rabbi Michael J. Cook who is a noted scholar of Christianity and in dialogue with many Christian groups. At that lecture he handed out a flyer he had collected. The flyer has smiling faces at the top and here are some excerpts of some of the key points: [...] 23779 52 19_steve hancoff music0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Mon, 28 May 2001 20:00:17 EDT661_ISO-8859-1 Dear Habonetters,

*******I am delighted to announce the release of my new book “Acoustic Masters: Duke Ellington For Fingerstyle Guitar” by Steve Hancoff from Warner BROS Publications. It is available at music stores everywhere, or directly from Warner BROS or me (www.stevehancoff.com) or my record company DGM (www.Disciplineglobalmobile.com).

It includes the music from my Duke Ellington CD in both standard music notation and TAB, and with chord symbols and diagrams to help you find your way. A CD with all the pieces is included for easier reference. There is also an introduction on chord theory and technique that ought to [...] 23832 36 23_Re: steve hancoff music0_15_Marshlf@aol.com29_Mon, 28 May 2001 21:50:00 EDT123_US-ASCII steve-- my congrats to you. i don't really know you, other than from the habonet, but i sure am proud!

lisa 23869 28 26_Re: Scary? Repugnant? True11_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Tue, 29 May 2001 10:13:25 -0400563_US-ASCII Richard wrote:

"I wonder if the people who find Jews for Jesus so repugnant also find the Mitzfa mobiles and the dati who try to get guys to lay tafilin(sic) as repugnant"



I have no particular love for the Mitzvah mobiles, but they do not try to lay tefillin on Christians. As a small minority in American society, we Jews are rightly frightened by well-financed large organizations being behind a push to convert us. In San Francisco, J4J's were on many street corners - I ignored them, but I'll bet they are making converts. [...] 23898 17 34_Ami Cohen & "Save-a-Child's-Heart"0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 29 May 2001 12:34:23 EDT625_ISO-8859-1 Dear Chevre- In this coming Sunday's "Parade" magazine that usually comes with the papers, the lead article will feature Ami Cohen, Chief of Pediatric Surgery at Wolfson Hospital in Tel Aviv, and his unique program wherein he and the hospital provide free surgery and after-care for children from third world countries- regardless of race, religion, country, etc....Ami is the son of Vadie and Dolores Cohen, and Shlomo Cohen's nephew...We are also having a desert meeting with Ami here in LA at my friends, Don and Stelli Goldman's home, on June 19th at 7:30 PM. Anyone interested in attending, please email [...] 23916 156 49_Re: settlements and what "most Israeli's believe"11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 29 May 2001 15:22:03 -0400619_iso-8859-1 Here's a different perspective that I found in the NY Times Monday.

Can anyone provide background on Meir Shalev?

Noam

May 28, 2001

A Trap Israel Sets for Itself

By MEIR SHALEV

ERUSALEM — As it has every year since the Six Day War of 1967, Israel celebrated the anniversary of the unification of Jerusalem last week. This is the last course of our national yearly feast: within one month, we mark Holocaust Day, Memorial Day for the War Dead, Independence Day and Jerusalem Day. And as always, the day was characterized by Jerusalem's favorite salad — a mix of [...] 24073 64 26_Re: Scary? Repugnant? True0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com29_Tue, 29 May 2001 15:33:17 EDT379_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/29/01 10:16:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, langr@gunet.georgetown.edu writes:



> As a small minority in American society, we Jews are rightly frightened by > well-financed large organizations being behind a push to convert us.

What do you find frightening about them? Are you so unsure of your own beliefs or that of others. [...] 24138 34 49_Re: settlements and what "most Israeli's believe"0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com29_Tue, 29 May 2001 17:20:30 EDT187_US-ASCII I do not know who Meir Shalev is but I cut out the editorial and pased it arount the congregation on Shavuat. Even some of my right wingers did not disagree to strenuasly. Baruch 24173 90 32_Re: KUMSITZ THIS SATURDAY NIGHT!11_Sue Mackson16_susiem6@juno.com31_Tue, 29 May 2001 21:59:20 -0400520_-



On Sun, 27 May 2001 04:42:34 EDT SC523@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > > RSVP/Reservation Form for the East Coast Kumsitz on June 2, 2001. > > Please list on the back of this slip the names of those attending!! > > Name: Susie Mackson > > Address 6 Titusville Heights, Poughkeepsie, NY 12603 > > Phone: 845 471 9892 > > E-mail: susiem6@juno.com > > Number attending > > > Students: > > Non Students: 1 > > Dinner ___ Kumsitz _xx__ Dinner ___ Kumsitz ___ > > > Dinner by reservation only! > > Choose [...] 24264 85 18_Re: scary but true18_Tsippi (Fran) Rudy19_Tsippi@mediaone.net31_Tue, 29 May 2001 20:49:33 -0700285_iso-8859-1 I saw a group of them last weekend on the boardwalk at Venice Beach (Santa Monica), California. In the past I have been accosted by them in Westwood Village and at the Hollywood Bowl. I'll let you know as soon as the Bowl season begins if they are out again this year. [...] 24350 100 41_Re: song lyrics, and proselytizing groups17_Rena Cheskis-Gold16_renacg@ntplx.net31_Wed, 30 May 2001 00:52:48 -0400489_us-ascii Dear All, My 9-year old son has been enchanted by one of our worker's songs (named Red Fly the Banners?), and I can't quite get the lyrics right. Can anyone help me with the verses to: Who'll sing me one-oh, red fly the banners oh! I'll sing you one-oh, red fly the banners oh! Five is for the five year plan, fo(u)r the years we did it in, Three, three, the workers we! Two is for the workers hand, toil and soil and horny hard, One for workers unity as ever more shall be! [...] 24451 42 16_Meir Shalev Info33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Wed, 30 May 2001 08:26:54 +0200372_us-ascii Meir Shalev was born in Nahalal, Israel, the son of poet Itzhak Shalev. He grew up in Nahalal, and then moved to Jerusalem., where he lives today. He studied Psychology at the Hebrew University and produced and hosted several radio and television programs. He is a regular columnist in the Israeli press and writes essays and fiction for both children and adults. 24494 29 15_Re: song lyrics0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 01:31:21 EDT567_US-ASCII In a message dated 5/29/01 9:55:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, renacg@ntplx.net writes:

<< Three, three, the workers we!>>

In and out of Habonim, I've heard several differnt versions of the song. At Mosh in the '70s, the "three" line was taught to us as "Three, three, the rights of man," but a large contingent always out-shouted the majority with "..the rights of PEOPLE!" A counterbalance to that was the even more gender-neutral "...the rights of chickens!" (Zak B., in my mind's eye, it was you leading the call of parity for poultry?) [...] 24524 25 20_Re: Meir Shalev Info13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 08:36:49 +0200528_us-ascii And I believe I read somewhere that his first book, "Roman Russi" is now being made into a movie.

At 08:26 2001-05-30 +0200, you wrote: >Meir Shalev was born in Nahalal, Israel, the son of poet Itzhak Shalev. He >grew up in Nahalal, and then moved to Jerusalem., where he lives today. He >studied Psychology at the Hebrew University and produced and hosted >several radio and television programs. He is a regular columnist in the >Israeli press and writes essays and fiction for both children and adults. > [...] 24550 86 26_Re: Scary? Repugnant? True25_Hank Kaplan & Marni Glick17_hkmg@teleport.com31_Wed, 30 May 2001 00:16:51 -0700332_iso-8859-1 It's not just a question of what is frightening, or which religion is more ridiculous; the issue is whether Jews for Jesus are Jewish at all. There are plenty of appealing religions that are based on sensible and even appealing theologies; but nobody pretends that they are offshoots or alternate brands of Judaism. [...] 24637 100 47_Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!13_shirley atlas21_lirshnel@iinet.net.au31_Wed, 30 May 2001 19:28:09 +0800825_utf-8

----- Original Message ----- From: Annette Escojido To: Aliza Karpes ; Azriel Gorski ; Jodi Karpes ; David Katz ; Hannah Karpes ; Doreen Cohen ; Ken van de Laar ; Dennis Allon ; Neta ; M.E.Paktor ; Orna Roberman ; Ros & David Kanowitz ; Randel fam ; Shoshanna Walker ; Shirley Atlas ; Stephanie & Rutie ; Yale Solomon Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!! [...] 24738 31 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 14:55:22 +0200637_us-ascii



At 19:28 2001-05-30 +0800, you wrote: >SULFNBK.EXE





SULFNBK.EXE, a utility shipped as part of the Windows 98 operating system that allows users to restore long file names, and now the victim of a bogus virus warning. The hoax message urges users to search their systems for the presence of SULFNBK.EXE and, if found, delete it. Of course, it's a legitimate Win98 operating system file, so anyone running Windows 98 will find it. And many, it seems, have deleted it. Following are the steps to take to restore SULFNBK.EXE from your Windows 98 operating system CD. You will want to have [...] 24770 31 63_Postscript: Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 15:10:58 +0200670_us-ascii BTW, I found this at: http://antivirus.about.com/compute/antivirus/

At 19:28 2001-05-30 +0800, you wrote: >SULFNBK.EXE





SULFNBK.EXE, a utility shipped as part of the Windows 98 operating system that allows users to restore long file names, and now the victim of a bogus virus warning. The hoax message urges users to search their systems for the presence of SULFNBK.EXE and, if found, delete it. Of course, it's a legitimate Win98 operating system file, so anyone running Windows 98 will find it. And many, it seems, have deleted it. Following are the steps to take to restore SULFNBK.EXE from your Windows 98 operating system [...] 24802 33 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 09:01:29 EDT364_US-ASCII sounds like another virus hoax to me!

as far as I know, viruses travel through attachments, NOT email

on virus hoaxes, there is always that "reputable source," quoting some person who works for microsoft or something, here it's "Many major companies have found this virus on their computers. > > Whatever you do, DO NOT open the file." [...] 24836 25 67_Re: Postscript: Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 09:04:29 EDT393_US-ASCII So Avi, what you are saying is that the original note about this so-called virus is tellng us to muck up our systems and take out something that should stay in.

Geez. And I have a bridge to sell y'all in Brooklyn.

I NEVER believee these virus things. If a virus comes along, I'm sure there will be a way to fix it, and frankly, the virus stories just sound absurd. [...] 24862 22 23_Re: HABONET digest 189811_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Wed, 30 May 2001 09:16:39 -0400528_US-ASCII "I am sorry but I just don't understand why one ridiculous religion is superior to another ridiculous religion."

I guess I've never considered Judaism to be ridiculous.

Roz



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Roslyn Lang wrote:

> "I am sorry but I just don't understand why one ridiculous religion is > superior to another ridiculous religion." > > I guess I've never considered Judaism to be ridiculous. > > Roz

I guess you've never seen a Teffilin Tank :-)

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Stan Goldman wrote:

> I have a question for the LAWYERS on Hobonet. What is the thinking behind asking for a stay of execution for McVeigh who has already admited his guilt ?It seems to me to be a waste of time and money and adds to the backlog in our courts [...] 25032 21 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 17:55:28 +0200591_iso-8859-1 Well, who are we to beleive? Does someone know enough computerspeak to get a definitive answer, like from Microsoft or the makers of anti-virus programs? Is this a hoax or the real thing? I would also rather be safe than sorry........

Dave Holtzer

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 25054 25 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 18:15:42 +0200468_iso-8859-1 Well, I just looked in MSN and Microsoft.com........ no virus alerts or hoax alerts. I did look at the Windows 98 Second Edition CD-ROM Directory Listing (1 of 14) and found the file sulfnbk.exe as part of the precopy1.cab file..... this sort of leads me to think that the virus alert was indeed a hoax (and a pretty darn good one, too!). Now I have to re-install the file after my wife deleted it. Maybe I'll wait a couple days, just in case......... [...] 25080 45 20_Re: Meir Shalev Info18_Tsippi (Fran) Rudy19_Tsippi@mediaone.net31_Wed, 30 May 2001 08:58:46 -0700430_iso-8859-1 He is also the author of several other novels: Esau (1991?), As a Few Days (1994, Kayamim Achadim) and Blue Mountain, the only one I have read yet, and only in English translation (I haven't got around yet to reading the others, tho I have them in Hebrew paperback). It is a marvelous story of the early years of Israel, in the "magical realistic" style of Gabriel Garcia Marquez' "One Hundred Years of Solitude". [...] 25126 47 34_Help with the virus/ deleted files11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com31_Wed, 30 May 2001 09:40:52 -0700921_iso-8859-1 Hi, The link below will help those who have encountered the virus situation.

Hope this helps, Batel



http://antivirus.about.com/compute/antivirus/library/weekly/aa052601a.htm?PM =n10053001d

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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Real Media is a PubliGroupe company - the largest and oldest media services organization in the world. Real Media provides marketing solutions to the digital advertising industry through state of the art technology, maximizing brand value by protecting audience information. Real Media's customers include Bloomberg, Weather.com, New York Times Digital, U.S. News & World Report, GOLFONLINE, [...] 25174 31 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 13:17:58 EDT505_ISO-8859-1 Dear all...I certainly did not intend to "belittle" folks who might not be as computer literate as others. I know how to use email, but certainly am not a computer maven.

Virus messages IMO should be taken with a massive grain of salt. First of all, most are without clear attribution. Second of all, having a virus warning passed around email lists instead of being announced by the big Companies and the press, along with your own ISP (like mine, AOHell), is cause for suspicion. [...] 25206 18 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 14:55:01 EDT458_ISO-8859-1 FYI, I just cleaned this off my system. My sys admin instructed us all to check our machines and it was there.

Ken

------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, offering online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ ------------------------ habonet@shamash.org -----------------------= 25225 18 51_Re: Fw: VIRUS ALERT to be activated on 1st June !!!0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Wed, 30 May 2001 14:59:53 EDT427_ISO-8859-1 Well, I see my sys admin fell for the hoax - sorry to clutter up Habonet today.

Ken

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Ah..........the good old days when all we had was pencil, paper and the abacus! And while the pencil point could break and the paper could tear, the abacus never got a virus! [...] 25282 19 11_Meir Shalev11_Don Goelman26_goelman@tiger.csc.vill.edu37_Wed, 30 May 2001 15:28:17 -0400 (EDT)453_us-ascii Didn't he also write "Tanakh Akhshav"? (Sounds a little out of character - another Meir? - another Shalev?)

Don

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Sharon, Gesher '73 - '78, Machon '77 [...] 25340 23 19_Ridiculous Religion9_Norm Kane19_normk@earthlink.net31_Wed, 30 May 2001 19:59:49 -0700396_us-ascii Along the lines of this thread, I was watching the movie "Keeping the Faith" with my son the other night and he could not believe the scene with the Torah Sages Trading Cards. It took some earnest arguing to convince him that Chabad had indeed run a program with pictures of Rabbis on baseball like trading cards several years ago. I found this even wierder than the Tefillan Tank. [...] 25364 107 63_Long posting: Bad and good information about viruses and hoaxes14_Paul Fingerman29_paul.fingerman@mindspring.com31_Wed, 30 May 2001 21:18:33 -0700696_us-ascii

>A participant recently suggested that "viruses travel through attachments, >NOT email." The widely held corollary is that you must execute the >attachment before there's any threat.

Unfortunately, this is not precisely correct. Certain mail programs (most particularly, Microsoft Outlook) can be fooled into executing certain "hidden" attachments, without ever identifying them to the user as an attachment. While they really are "attachments," you don't need to explicitly execute them if your mail program, in an attempt to be friendly, does so without asking your permission. Some of this automatic execution is intentional, in the design of the program, and can [...] 25472 27 33_Re: "as much sense as" department0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 31 May 2001 00:40:34 EDT380_US-ASCII

In a Habonet message dated 5/31/01 12:09:55 AM, Hank Kaplan writes:

<< That is why a group calling themselves "Jews for Jesus" makes about as much sense as a group that calls itself "Vegetarians for Hamburgers." >>

That's why making a non-smoking section in a restaurant makes about as much sense as making a peeing section in a swimming pool. [...] 25500 31 12_Original Sin17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Wed, 30 May 2001 09:32:05 +0200439_Windows-1252 30 May 2001

In Habonet Digest 1896, Aliya writes, "" Premise: Jews do NOT believe in original sin, a basic precept of Christianity ""

The New Testament idea of "original sin" seems to be thematically similar to God's statement after Noah left the ark, ""... I will no longer curse the land because of man, because the inclination of man's heart is bad [starting] from his youth..."", Genesis (8, verse 21). [...] 25532 41 20_Ridiculous Religions33_Shoshana Baumgarten & Harry Cohen20_shoharry@inorbit.com31_Thu, 31 May 2001 12:04:22 +0200516_us-ascii Noam,

Don't confuse the religion with the people. Just because the actions of people might (or might not depending on your point of view) be ridiculous, that doesn't mean the religion ridiculous.

Harry

>Noam Topak wrote: >Roslyn Lang wrote: >> "I am sorry but I just don't understand why one ridiculous religion is >> superior to another ridiculous religion." > > >> I guess I've never considered Judaism to be ridiculous. > > > >Roz >I guess you've never seen a Teffilin Tank :-) [...] 25574 90 20_Re: Whats the reason12_Stan Goldman17_stang@urim.org.il31_Thu, 31 May 2001 11:29:37 +0200341_iso-8859-1 Since I do not have Noam's address I am answering him thru Habonet. Sorry to bother the rest of you. Since the U.S. and Israel are both countries of laws , as you explained it, this could happen here as well as in the U S If I had writen " Your Courts " someone might have felt that I was being Rude Any way Thanks for your answer 25665 61 10_Virus hoax10_Jon Zatkin26_jzatkin@public2.bta.net.cn31_Thu, 31 May 2001 18:49:38 +0800488_iso-8859-1 In Habonet Digest # 1899 Debbie wrote: >My roomie, Jack the sweet sheygitz, makes his living (sort of) >by installing and trying to fix software for Boeing, who makes >most of the planes y'all fly on. He said that it's an extremely >rare virus - and he's never encountered one - that will erase >everything on your hard drive, as many virus warnings state >they will do. He also sees the same pattern that I mentioned in >a previous note about bogus virus warning emails. [...] 25727 43 24_Re: Ridiculous Religions11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Thu, 31 May 2001 08:48:49 -0400341_us-ascii Hi Harry,

I'm not confused at all. It's the people's beliefs and they way they choose to express them which I find ridiculous at times. As long as they keep them to themselves, I think they are free to believe whatever they wish. No doubt they think my agnostic Darwinistic views are as misguided as I think theirs are. [...] 25771 20 7_viruses16_Sharon Weissbach18_sgweis01@iglou.com37_Thu, 31 May 2001 09:24:34 -0400 (EDT)566_US-ASCII The sulfnbk.exe hoax reminds me of a joke e-mail I received a while ago. The subject line was "Honor System Virus" and the body of the note instructed the recipients to delete all the files on their own hard drives.





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1) The "SULFNBK" June 1st Virus Hoax

I've gotten many notes from readers who forwarded a chain letter to me (usually along with 500 other unlucky recipients) that went something like this:

Do you believe that a friend of mine sent me an alert and the procedure that we have to follow for the possible infection of SULFNBK.EXE . And I had checked, just to make sure. An then... the file was there, hidden even of McAfee and Norton, maybe waiting something to start work.... [...] 26037 299 32_More on Viruses and other Hoaxes13_Jonathan Baum19_jonbaum@sasa.org.il31_Thu, 31 May 2001 17:18:34 +0200490_windows-1255 Here, from a variety of sources, a meta-debunking of all hoax emails:

1. Big companies don't do business via chain letters and there are no computer programs that track how many times an e-mail is forwarded, let alone by whom. Bill Gates is not giving you $1000, Disney is not giving you a free vacation, and Nokia is not giving away free cell phones to those who email the most messages. There also is no baby food company issuing class action checks to emailers. [...] 26337 56 45_Labour knesset members regret Oslo: interview7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 31 May 2001 20:40:55 +0300560_iso-8859-1 DO YOU REGRET YOUR SUPPORT OF OSLO? > "Knowing then what you know now, would you still have voted for the Oslo > Accords in 1993?" This was the question recently asked by Makor Rishon > reporter Sofia Ron of several Knesset Members who supported the first Oslo > agreement. Their responses: > Avraham Poraz (of the Shinui party, which in 1993 was a faction of > Meretz): "If I would have known that things would develop the way they did > in the past half-year, I would not have voted for Oslo. The Palestinians > deceived us, mostly regarding [...]