1 SHAMASH.ORG /usr/www/wwwhc/listserv/archives/habonet February 2001 2 36 34_Re: Conservative Judaism a Failure22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com30_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 07:33:48 -0600483_- I'll take a stab at this one. There are many places where Conservative Rabbis provide ensure that are respected, and not only by their own communities. In Philadelphia, where I lived until recently, there are several vegetarian restaurants which received hechsure from the Rabbinical Assembly. These establishments are patronized by a segment of the modern orthodox community, but obviously there is another segment of the orthodox community that will not eat in any of them. [...] 39 23 27_Is it true about McDonalds?0_15_AvivaMT@aol.com28_Thu, 1 Feb 2001 23:58:20 EST377_US-ASCII I received this from a normally reliable source. Has anyone else heard it? Can it be true?

McDonald's just announced that 30 cents out of every Dollar of purchases in its 60 branches in Saudi Arabia will be donated as of today to the Palestinian intifada against the Israelis. Please BOYCOTT their stores. Please send this message to all your e-mail pals. [...] 63 36 31_Re: Is it true about McDonalds?0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:04:56 EST225_US-ASCII Aviva, I've not heard THIS one. However, it sure does sound like an urban legend to me! I've only checked out one urban legend site so far, and this isn't there, but that doesn't mean it's a true story.

Debbie 100 50 31_Re: Is it true about McDonalds?0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 00:09:45 EST380_US-ASCII Here's the scoop according to www.snopes2.com which lists urban legends, their truth or lack thereof.

This is SORT OF true.

During Ramadan, Saudi-owned McDonald's donated .26 out of every meal purchased to Palestinian children's hospitals.

The urban legend they cite says that .30 was donated to Palestinian hospitals, NOT the intifada.

Debbie 151 54 30_Re: Is it true about McDonald?11_Roslyn Lang26_langr@gunet.georgetown.edu31_Fri, 02 Feb 2001 09:44:33 -0500647_US-ASCII No, apparently not - here is what was on the McDonald's website:



McDonald's Responds to Internet Rumor Over the past two months, McDonald's Corporation representatives have been responding to a rumor circulating on the Internet regarding a promotion which ran in McDonald's restaurants in Saudi Arabia late last year. The rumor suggests a connection between McDonald's and the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. No such connection exists. The seeds of the rumor can be traced to a promotion which ran in McDonald's 60 restaurants in Saudi Arabia in November of last year. The fact is -- in celebration of the [...] 206 26 12_Kumsitz 20010_13_SC523@aol.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:05:58 EST415_US-ASCII OK, CHEVREH, PLEASE GET YOUR CALENDARS OUT - THE KUMSITZ DATE FOR THIS YEAR IS SAT. NIGHT, JUNE 9TH -- MORE INFO WILL COME LATER, BUT WE WANTED YOU ALL TO BE ABLE TO RESERVE THE DATE ON YOUR CALENDARS MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

THE KUMSITZ WILL BE HELD IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE PAST FEW YEARS ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE OF MANHATTAN, AND WILL INCLUDE A DINNER BEFOREHAND BY RESERVATION. MORE LATER - -- [...] 233 52 31_RE: Is it true about McDonalds?11_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org30_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:06:11 -0500413_iso-8859-1 I received an email that had more depth; even a link to a supposed NY times article (the link didn't work). The original email said that 30 cents went to support medical care for Palestinians during the current uprising. I don't think that anyone can complain about money going to a basic human right even during these times. Shouldn't we, as socialists, be boycotting/avoiding McDonalds anyways? [...] 286 35 31_Re: Is it true about McDonalds?11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Fri, 02 Feb 2001 11:49:10 -0500527_us-ascii Jamie Levin wrote:

> I received an email that had more depth; even a link to a supposed NY times > article (the link didn't work). The original email said that 30 cents went > to support medical care for Palestinians during the current uprising. I > don't think that anyone can complain about money going to a basic human > right even during these times. Shouldn't we, as socialists, be > boycotting/avoiding McDonalds anyways? > > Aleh V'Hagshem, > > Jamie Levin > Mazkir T'nua Habonim Dror North America [...] 322 16 16_Re: Kumsitz 20010_13_JLCAA@aol.com28_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 11:51:00 EST384_US-ASCII Jewish Labor Committee Convention is June 8-9-10.

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> One thing we can complain about is support for Red Crescent (and the Red > Cross in general) until Mogen David Adom is allowed to join the > International Red Cross.

I was doing some collaborative work with the Red Cross in Ann Arbor a couple of years ago (on homelessness; it was a successful collaboration in that we managed to get the county to fund collaborative social service instead of a Salvation Army shelter), and I asked about this. [...] 460 43 18_American Red Cross11_Don Goelman31_goelman@tiger.csc.villanova.edu36_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 17:31:33 -0500 (EST)577_us-ascii Even more so: the current administration of the ARC has been escrowing (some? all?) of their dues to IRC and lobbying actively for the inclusion of MDA. I don't believe Elizabeth Dole went that far during her tenure there.

Don

> In a message dated 2/2/01 8:50:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > n.stopak@scienceserver.com writes: > > > > One thing we can complain about is support for Red Crescent (and the Red > > Cross in general) until Mogen David Adom is allowed to join the > > International Red Cross. > > I was doing some collaborative work with [...] 504 19 10_Mikkie D's14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 22:54:02 -0800427_iso-8859-1 Hey, c'mon chevra. When was the last time anyone actually ate at a McDonalds?

Spike

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Hi Chevre,

Here is a reminder of the "essential" commands that you can use to configure your subscription to Habonet. I will post this monthly from now on. Please note -- The address for commands is: listproc@shamash.org whereas the address for posts to the list is: habonet@shamash.org If you need any help with any of it, send me an email: BCooper@descartes.com [...] 700 134 40_Mikkie D's meets Suzanne Vega in Seattle14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Fri, 2 Feb 2001 23:56:58 -0800298_iso-8859-1 I go there sometimes to eat with working class and people of color. It's such an amazing break from eating in restaurants and much cheaper.

But, I went veggie a couple months ago and am starting to be more careful about what I eat, so I don't go to fast food places anymore. [...] 835 81 38_Fw: Shabbat practices around the world7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:02:18 +0200499_iso-8859-1 I recently joined the following list and it is extremely interesting. If you are interested in Jewish communities scattered over the earth and in inaccessable places or in crypto Jews, marranos, and Ten Lost Tribes, this is the list to join. Here is a sample letter. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: David Turetsky To: Kulanu-L listserv Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:11 AM Subject: Shabbat practices around the world [...] 917 42 36_Fw: Adas Israel hosting Calcutta Jew7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:04:09 +0200674_iso-8859-1 anotaher sample of what Kulanu is and a program that some of you might be interested in attending. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: David Turetsky To: Kulanu-L listserv Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 2:59 AM Subject: Adas Israel hosting Calcutta Jew



> Adas Israel (DC-Connecticut and Porter) is hosting Rahel Musleah from > February 23-25. She is a member of a seventh generation Calcutta > family, which traces its roots to Baghdad. > > Feb 23-8:30:Heritage of Jewish India through songs and stories of women. > > Feb 24- dvar Torah during services; after kiddish-life of Jewish [...] 960 47 29_final sample: Costa Rica Jews7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:07:12 +0200389_iso-8859-1 This is it: final example of what Kulanu is about. Curios. Hope you enjoy the list. And if these samples have disturbed anyone on Habonet, I apologize. shavua tov, pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: David Turetsky To: Kulanu-L listserv Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 5:09 AM Subject: [Kulanu] Jews in Costa Rica [...] 1008 93 36_Fw: ECUADOR UNDER STATE OF EMERGENCY14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:38:14 -0800512_iso-8859-1 fyi ----- Original Message ----- From:


ECUADOR WAKES UP UNDER A STATE OF EMERGENCY

This morning, February 3, 2001, Ecuador woke up under a State of Emergency. Under this situation, freedom of association has been suspended, private homes can be invaded, and citizens can be detained without warning. In short, the Ecuadorian people have lost their constitutional rights. [...] 1102 58 23_Re: HABONET digest 17860_18_GeeDoubleU@aol.com28_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:35:48 EST617_US-ASCII Mr. Schiff, Clearly you have a tremendous sense of anger toward orthodox Jews. I feel that it is unfortunate that Habonet continues to be place for the voicing of sinat chinam. A little understanding in differences in observance will go a long way toward understanding. The reason that the orthodox do not accept the hechsherim of the conservative is that the have two different standards of kashruth. Conservative Jews are permitted to drink wine that is not supervised by a Jewish masgiach. They also eat cheese that orthodox Jews do not accept as kosher. conservative hechsherim feel that the rennet [...] 1161 38 18_Barak can not lose0_16_BERNSARA@aol.com28_Sat, 3 Feb 2001 23:07:12 EST259_US-ASCII Chaverim v chaverot (remember when every meeting started like this ) have I got news for you! Our designated president has decided to save the peace process. He is sending his brother Jed Bush to Israel to insure the election for BARAK.

Baruch 1200 22 44_Re: Mikkie D's meets Suzanne Vega in Seattle0_15_AvivaMT@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:20:34 EST600_US-ASCII

In a message dated 2/3/01 1:58:56 AM, ahk@cablespeed.com writes:

<< I go there sometimes to eat with working class and people of color. >>

Was this intended to be a joke (albeit in poor taste) or are you so out of touch you were being serious?

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> They also eat cheese that orthodox Jews do not accept as > kosher. conservative hechsherim feel that the rennet in cheese is so small > in > amount it does not make the cheese non-kosher. Orthodox Jews do not accept > this belief. [...] 1280 25 16_Re: Kumsitz 200118_Abba & Dvora Caspi16_adcaspi@home.com30_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 11:31:29 -0500518_iso-8859-1

Hi Aliya,

UH-OH! My singing group has a performance scheduled for that evening (June 9).

Any chance of moving the kumsitz to June 2 or 16?

Caspi



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For anyone interested in this subject, I recommend the text "Shivtey Yisrael - HaOvadim vihaNidachim" by Rabbi Eliyahu Avichayil. This affordably priced book (in Hebrew and in English) is available from Amishav Publishers in Jerusalem (phone 02-424606). [...] 1434 50 25_Kashrut and the Rabbinate17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:26:57 +0200446_windows-1255 4 February 2001

In Habonet Digest 1789, Wendy Bensussen-Walls writes, "" The reason that the orthodox do not accept the hechsherim of the conservative is that they have two different standards of kashruth. ""

In point of fact, different groups within Orthodox Judaism also have different standards of Kashrut.

Some Orthodox wait 6 hours after meat before eating dairy products, some 3 hours, some only one. [...] 1485 44 29_final sample: Costa Rica Jews0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:56:54 EST660_US-ASCII Pearl, thanks for mentioning Kulanu on Habonet. I've always thought Habonetters who are unaware of Kulanu's work would find it very interesting.

Kulanu is an organization that does a variety of interesting and helpful work with groups in far-flung and unexpected places around the world who want to reclaim or intensify Jewish heritage and practices that are threatened or already in decline due to lack of adequate educational tools, persecution, or other factors. Kulanu works with groups that identify themselves as Jews, giving support in various forms, from presentations that raise awareness of the very existence of such Jews (like [...] 1530 32 14_Re: Mikkie D's0_18_Rachelbern@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:40:57 EST580_US-ASCII Call me a sicko, or call me All-American, but sometimes I just crave that junky fast-food taste.

Also, I feel that it's an Auntie Mame's duty to occasionally contribute to the delinquent eating habits of minors as requested, so when I've got to feed a bunch of rowdy kids quickly and the only places they agree on are Chuckie Cheese and the drive-through at McDonald's, it's no contest. And I won't make an additional stop for a nice, healthy bowl of dew-washed clover while the kids are in the car wondering about the squirting distance of a ketchup packet. [...] 1563 66 17_Sounds of Silence0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:15:51 EST545_US-ASCII I just came home for a few minutes after a Sunday Morning Breakfast out with my best friend (before hitting the gym) to check email- take my vitamins, and get a towel, and expected to write a little to Habonet on the subject of "nothing-" It has been a few months, and I had been feeling "quiet"-- unable to write anything or to communicate too much because of the "situation" and the admittance that anything I had to say, or any current life experience would be babble (as maybe it is now), or pale in the light that Israel, and [...] 1630 20 44_Lost Tribes, Kulanu, Amishav, Rabbi Avichail0_18_Judithb253@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:36:08 EST327_US-ASCII I agree with everything Marty G has said about the good rabbi and his book except for one (to me ) serious concern. Once these eager and extremely well meaning innocents are properly converted, Amishav sends a great many of them to the West Bank. I just don't see how that is in Israel's best interest. Comments? [...] 1651 21 21_Info on Israel Trips?14_Barry Grushkin26_103640.2135@compuserve.com30_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 15:35:00 -0500552_us-ascii I am trying to help a young person get in touch with one of those groups offering free trips to Israel. I believe I saw a posting here a few months back. Can anyone give me some pointers.

Thanks, Barry Grushkin

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reminds me of my grandfather who would tell the shaggiest dog stories ever, having every one of us on the edge of our seats, only to deliver the punchline in yiddish! [...] 1699 27 25_Re: Info on Israel Trips?0_14_Vered4@aol.com28_Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:22:40 EST329_US-ASCII The Birthright Israel trips are held each December during winter break. College students between the ages of 18-26 can apply through the Hillel at their college. They can't have gone to Israel before on a "peer trip". There is an in-depth application process and only a certain amount of students are chosen to go. [...] 1727 25 28_Birthright Israel excitement0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:27:40 EST584_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom

I suggest that you take a look at the following site to see what the Birthright Israel excitement is all about.

Chaver Steve ========================== www.birthrightisrael.com

Free trips to Israel for those 18-26

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Trudy

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Unlike today's vista of decrepit buildings, dilapidated housing and rusting junked cars, the South Bronx in 1950 was the home of a large and thriving community, one that was predominantly Jewish. Today a

mere remnant of this once- vibrant community survives, but in the 1950's the Bronx offered synagogues, mikvas, kosher bakeries, and kosher butchers - all the comforts one would expect from an observant Orthodox Jewish community. [...] 1903 1404 14_Yiddish events16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:42:58 -0500505_us-ascii Subject: Upcoming New York and Pennsylvania Yiddish events:

NEW YORK ^^^^^^^^ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Klezmer Brunch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Curated by David Krakauer Every Sunday Afternoon at 1:30 and 3:00 ($10 per show or $15 for both)

Sun, Feb 04 >>Margot Leverett $15 for both Klezmer Clarinet and Alto Sax One of the leading exponents of traditional/Old World klezmer clarinet playing. "Klezmer Clarinet Virtuoso" --The Philadelphia Inquirer [...] 3308 20 5_News?14_Barry Grushkin26_103640.2135@compuserve.com30_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 10:52:35 -0500462_us-ascii Could someone in Israel fill us in on the on the ground situation. How are things at this moment?

Thanks, Barry Grushkin

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Avi Rosenberg Kibbutz Gezer

At 17:58 2001-02-05 +0200, you wrote: >Well Barry, things suck and are about to get worse. Jon [...] 3396 35 9_Re: News?10_Ori Siegel17_oris@interlog.com31_Mon, 05 Feb 2001 11:22:00 -0500379_us-ascii And for whom has their rabbi told them to vote?

At 06:08 PM 2001-02-05 +0200, you wrote: >Tomorrow I'm going to work at a polling station in an ultra orthodox >neighborhood in Jerusalem, as the liberal, Ashkenazic, secular, kibbutznik >representative. Sounds like it might be fun. I'll send in a report on the >morning after. > >Avi Rosenberg >Kibbutz Gezer [...] 3432 48 20_Free trips to Isreal13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Mon, 05 Feb 2001 07:43:48 -0500582_us-ascii Dear Barry-

Contact your local Federation. They know the scoop on Birthright, which is for college kids and is free for first timers. My understanding is that the numbers were so far down this year in December that they are thinking about summer trips.

If your friend is a little younger, there is Israel Quest financing for peer trips. To get it, you need to 'earn' points by doing Jewish stuff in advance. Habonim's MBI trip qualifies for this. If you work at it, you can get over 1/2 paid for with no questions about financial status. That means that [...] 3481 108 38_RE: Shabbat practices around the world11_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org30_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:33:48 -0500304_iso-8859-1 Beware of the claims that this organization makes. I don't think that they really use rigorous research methods. I lived in Ghana last year and met the Jews that live there. the stories that this community told did not bear any resemblance to the stories I read in the Kulanu literature! [...] 3590 35 0_11_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org30_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:05:39 -0500452_iso-8859-1 Aliyah Cotel has reminded me not to send off rash emails. She assures me that Kulanu is a "stand up" organization and I must concur. They helped me locate and visit the community of Jews in Ghana, West Africa. Without their help it is unlikely that I would have found the community. Aliyah reminded me that Kulanu relies heavily on volunteers--this could explain the chapter in one of their publications that I felt lacked credibility. [...] 3626 16 9_Re: News?0_12_AZMD@aol.com28_Mon, 5 Feb 2001 20:47:12 EST384_US-ASCII hi barry this is allan zubkin do you remember me?

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Aliya

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I'd be interested to hear more about their trips, because I got an earful about how useless the Birthright trips are from a friend and colleague at a Jewish Museums conference I just attended. She's just completing her Master's thesis (for a degree in Education, I believe) on the history of the Birthright program, and what she feels is the very limited effect of these trips (not just the ones she led) for raising Jewish consciousness for those who have few, if any, other major Jewish influences on their lives (which I'm sure is NOT the case for Varda's [...] 3849 19 9_elections14_Ethan Schwartz24_schwar1@netvision.net.il30_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:41:13 +0200572_iso-8859-1 I couldn't do it. I wanted to put in a blank ballot, but my contributing to Sharon's victory was something I couldn't deal with. The spineless dictator is better then the Strong one. We will have general election in a few month anyway.

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February 8, 2001 Israel: A Historic Statement HENRY SIEGMAN At a recent meeting of Israel's Cabinet, Acting Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami made a most unusual statement to his governmental colleagues, one that arguably expresses the most honest and important insight into the fifty-year-old conflict between Israel and the Palestinians ever expressed by any Jewish leader. It holds the potential of transforming the Israeli-Palestinian [...] 4145 330 24_Fw: Grinch Stole Shabbes22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com30_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 10:30:24 -0600420_-

If you've already seen this, sorry. But I thought it was cute. Deb --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hazzan Levin To: HAZZANET@JTSA.EDU Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 08:11:58 -0500 Subject: Grinch Stole Shabbes Message-ID:

As Adar quickly approaches, I thought I would pass this along.

Sheldon



HOW THE GRINCH STOLE SHABBAT [...] 4476 94 20_Re: Birthright trips0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 13:48:22 EST434_US-ASCII Rachel, my daughter ( who incidentally celebrates her 21st birthday today) recently returned from a Birthright trip, and your friend is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I don't knows how many trip participants she spoke with, but on my daughter Rachel's trip, they DID hit the "biggies"......Tsfat, Masada where she had plenty of time to explore and "meditate" at sunrise, the Dead Sea, Yad VaShem, Ein Gedi, the Kotel, etc. [...] 4571 56 9_RE: News?11_Carol Shore21_c_shore@ix.netcom.com30_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:03:18 -0500649_iso-8859-1 Avi,

I eagerly await your reactions from your polling place on election day. Thanks. Carol Shore

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On > Behalf Of Ori Siegel > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 11:22 AM > To: habonet@shamash.org > Subject: Re: News? > > > And for whom has their rabbi told them to vote? > > At 06:08 PM 2001-02-05 +0200, you wrote: > >Tomorrow I'm going to work at a polling station in an ultra orthodox > >neighborhood in Jerusalem, as the liberal, Ashkenazic, secular, > kibbutznik > >representative. Sounds like it might be fun. I'll send [...] 4628 38 26_Event on Israeli Elections15_Esther Lederman21_elederman@hotmail.com25_Tue, 06 Feb 2001 23:45:23 4667 28 24_Workshop 20 Rosh Hanikra0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:56:55 EST418_US-ASCII Chevre, Shalom

Is there anyone out there from Workshop 20 who was also on Machon that year who remembers my Brother, Alan Weinberg?

He's visiting me and is telling me all his stories about going to Machon with USY and realizing that Habonim kids were way cooler than USY kids and finagling a way to go to Kibbutz with the Habonim kids on Rosh Hanikra rather than to Lavi with the USY kids. [...] 4696 44 9_RE: News?13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:55:14 +0200556_us-ascii It was a very long a rather uneventful night. We started at 3 in the afternoon and finished at 2 in the morning, when we brought our results to the Jerusalem city hall. We were distributed over 5 polling stations in an ultra orthodox neighborhood in Jerusalem. I think in general there was a very high turnout there (about 70-80%) because of course the rabbis said to vote for Sharon. Out of about 2500-3000 voters there, I don't think Barak got more than 50 votes. In the station where I worked, Barak got 0 votes. But it was an interesting [...] 4741 112 28_Welcome to Shalom Center #1!14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:07:19 -0800591_iso-8859-1



"Leon Oboler, Arthur Waskow" wrote: > > Hello! > > Leon Oboler, Arthur Waskow, the owners of the email list > awaskow1@topica.com > has added you as a subscriber to this list, > hosted at Topica.com. > > -------------------------------------------------- > MORE ABOUT THIS LIST > > Here is a message from the owner of this list, > Leon Oboler, Arthur Waskow, the owners: > > Welcome to Shalom Center #1! > > Here's a description of the list: > > Over the years, The Shalom Center and I have put together some important lists of people who care about renewing [...] 4854 34 20_Urgent Music Needed!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:57:30 EST566_US-ASCII Does anyone know if there was ever a recording of Mi Yatsileinu Maira'av?The Dance Troupe we are organizing (combined Maapilim and Vatikim) for the 50th Anniversary of the Israeli Dance Festival will be doing 2 dances - one will be an original choreography to Mi Yatisileinu -- our thinking is that anyone at the Festival (from all over the world) will recognize this as special to Habonim (thank you Bialik!). But we cannot move forward without a recording. The Festival does not provide live music like it did in the good old days (budget cutbacks). [...] 4889 16 32_Looking for Naomi Goldberg Honor0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 02:58:42 EST386_US-ASCII Naomi, please contact me offline - thank you. Aliya

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I do have a copy of Mi Yatsilenu in my CD collection. I will look for it this weekend and extract it.

Dave

-----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org] On Behalf Of SC523@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:58 AM To: Habonet@shamash.org Subject: Urgent Music Needed!

Does anyone know if there was ever a recording of Mi Yatsileinu Maira'av?The Dance Troupe we are organizing (combined Maapilim and Vatikim) for the 50th Anniversary of the Israeli Dance Festival will be doing 2 dances - one will be an original choreography to Mi Yatisileinu -- our thinking is that anyone at the [...] 4959 78 20_Habonet improvements0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:40:35 EST424_US-ASCII (Stolen from the Reconstructionist listserv without permission)

:)

Chevre, shalom

HTML-encoded email occurs when you see a Habonet message then it is repeated with tons of gobbledygook extra text and characters, often far longer than the actual message. Turns out that unless you turn of the HTML mail feature on your browser, you are also liable to a weird security breach in your email. [...] 5038 24 24_Re: Urgent Music Needed!22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com30_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 08:02:25 -0600390_- Aliyah - call Marsha Edelman at Gratz college - 215-635-7300 - the library there has a huge recording collection. She'll have it if anyone does. Debbie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. [...] 5063 44 24_Re: Urgent Music Needed!11_Don Goelman31_goelman@tiger.csc.villanova.edu36_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 09:33:18 -0500 (EST)565_us-ascii I'm pretty sure Nechama Hendel ("Nama") included it on her Shirei Bialik album. I'll check it at home; but if I do have it, it's on vinyl.

Don

> > Does anyone know if there was ever a recording of Mi Yatsileinu Maira'av?The > Dance Troupe we are organizing (combined Maapilim and Vatikim) for the 50th > Anniversary of the Israeli Dance Festival will be doing 2 dances - one will > be an original choreography to Mi Yatisileinu -- our thinking is that anyone > at the Festival (from all over the world) will recognize this as special to [...] 5108 83 9_Re: News?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 10:49:24 +0200510_iso-8859-1 avi, you paint the picture black and white -- and almost racist -- which it is not. Plenty of people on the so-called Left voted for Sharon. He got 62% of the vote, which is based on a Jewish vote. There were a number of secular towns and yishuvim that also voted Sharon. We want an end to the shooting and fear. I live in constant anxiety for the safety of friends and family and I want to see an end to the Intifada or at least the fear of daily stonings and shooting. I knew too many of the [...] 5192 105 24_Re: Habonet improvements14_Ethan Schwartz24_schwar1@netvision.net.il30_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:17:23 +0200529_iso-8859-1 I checked out the problem in a forum I respect, The problem is known and relatively old (computer years). this is the response I got to my query. MS and Netscape have been aware of this and have addressed it (at least MS has addressed it, that is). In Outlook, the older patch from the LOVE virus days will make you safe and in Outlook Express 5.5, your safe). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Habonet improvements [...] 5298 56 26_Birthright trips to Israel0_18_Yentateleb@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:17:29 EST411_ISO-8859-1 Just received this info and thought that you might want to check into this.



Take a free trip to Israel this spring with the Jewish National Fund and birthright israel! Click on the flyer to find out more!

<> If you have problems opening this, please contact us at collegeactivists@jnf.org or by phone at 212-879-9305 ext. 330 and we'll send you the text version. 5355 533 90_Fw: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, February 7, 2001; ELECTION ANALYSIS; Sharon's election speech7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:29:31 +0200487_iso-8859-1 CHAVERIM, I thought this issue of news would be of interest as it encapsulates so much of what is happening today, which probably is not captured in foreign newspapers. I hope it calms you down somewhat.... pearl

----- Original Message ----- From: Arutz-7 Editor To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: Arutz-7 News: Wednesday, February 7, 2001 [...] 5889 50 44_Habonim Dror Press Release: February 6, 200111_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org30_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:05:29 -0500463_iso-8859-1 Habonim Dror Press Release: February 6, 2001

Despite the disappointment amongst left wing constituencies, the results of the February 6th election confirm Israel’s commitment to the democratic process. Though the voter turnout rate was the lowest in Israeli history this does not suggest electoral apathy, rather a rejection of the candidates as well as anxiety about the security of the state during this most recent Palestinian uprising. [...] 5940 276 16_Re: Palestinians13_Marcia Plager26_grandrapidsm@earthlink.net31_Wed, 07 Feb 2001 18:31:00 -0800384_us-ascii Dear Leo D.

I'm so glad you have such warm, sensitive feelings for the poor, downtrodden Palestinians. Very chic; very noble. I guess it's all the Jews' fault. Again. And again. And again. Oh, when will we have compassion for our fellow human beings? Thank you for lighting a candle and illuminating our darkness. How could we have been so cruel and thoughtless? [...] 6217 112 16_Re: Palestinians0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:39:29 EST594_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/7/01 6:30:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, grandrapidsm@earthlink.net writes:



> > > > > > Dear Leo D. I'm so glad you have such warm, sensitive feelings for the > poor, downtrodden Palestinians. Very chic; very noble. I guess it's all the > Jews' fault. Again. And again. And again. Oh, when will we have compassion > for our fellow human beings? Thank you for lighting a candle and > illuminating our darkness. How could we have been so cruel and thoughtless? > Lesson? That to please most folks, we should assume the belly-up position. > Nothing [...] 6330 30 22_Kumsitz Date Change!!!0_13_SC523@aol.com28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 03:00:45 EST549_US-ASCII We must change the date of the annual New York Kumsitz HaGadol to June 2nd. Our devoted makhela leader, Abba CAspi, has a performance which would have prevented him from joining us on June 9th, so we have changed all the reservations and made arrangements for June 2nd.

This will enable those who wish to participate in the 50th Anniversary of the Israel Dance Festival (come cheer on the first Habonim Dance Ensemble to perform in 15 years - a group of "over 35s" and a group of "under 35s" - ) the next day, Sunday, June 3rd. [...] 6361 57 9_Re: News?13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Thu, 08 Feb 2001 10:24:00 +0200525_us-ascii I can very easily categorize people. Whether you notice it or not, putting labels on people is a national pastime in this country. Surveys and polls are based on that and they seem to work most of the time. I don't know how many people on the "so called Left" voted for Sharon, or just didn't vote. I tend to believe the latter is true. I'm sure everyone wants to put an end to the violence, but I seriously doubt if Sharon and his friends are the one's to do it. From his past record, he may indeed succeed in [...] 6419 94 20_WHO VOTED FOR SHARON17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:02:18 +0200409_windows-1255 8 February 2001

In Habonet Digest 1793, Avy Rosenberg writes, ""... it seems that the sides are more or less drawn along socio economic lines with the lower middle classes, mizrachi, Russian, religious, rightwing populations ... voting for Sharon and the upper middle classes, secular, sane, ashkenazi, liberal, elitist-vatikim kibbutz-moshav, Arab populations voting for Barak ..."" [...] 6514 179 24_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Thu, 08 Feb 2001 11:56:19 +0200616_us-ascii My, my I seem to be unusually verbose this morning. Considering the low turnout (59%-the lowest in history) it's clear that more than Sharon won (35% of the eligible voting population) Barak lost. I believe this comes not only out of his recent and almost phenomenal unpopularity, but also as a result of the half baked political system we're forced to live with. Barak was in a unique and impossible situation politically and in terms of security, with several factors working against him, besides his own "dispolitical" personality. Let's not forget that the current intifada, which may have been in [...] 6694 130 29_palestinian and jewish rights13_julia chaitin20_jchaitin@urim.org.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:59:19 -0100358_windows-1255 I want to thank Leo Diesendruck for posting the article by Henry Siegman from a recent issue of the NYReview. The article raises important issues that are, all too often, uncomfortable (to say the least) to us Jewish-Israelis.

Real peace will only come about when both sides acknowledge their responsibility in the ongoing conflict. [...] 6825 78 24_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:26:50 EST580_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/8/01 1:59:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, avi@gezer.org.il writes:



> . Let's not forget that the current intifada, which may have been in the > cards anyways, was ignited by Sharon with his very timely stroll on the > Temple Mount. >

Dear Avi- Most people I have talked to believe that this is not true, and that they were planning it (the Intifada) anyway...I have also been shocked to find out that a lot of people I respect voted for Sharon...or would have had they been in Israel. One way or another, they have had enough [...] 6904 138 29_announcement of another death14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:55:03 +0200336_iso-8859-1 Today, Thursday, Feb 8th, Shimon Kasdai passed away suddenly. Shimon was a longtime member of Kibbutz Urim and, among his other duties, was Madrich of the 16th and 17th Workshop. The funeral will be Sunday at Urim. Condolences can be sent via carmdave@urim.org.il to Shimon's three daughters, P'nina, Gila and Sara..... [...] 7043 36 33_Re: announcement of another death0_15_DebALev@aol.com28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:18:30 EST115_US-ASCII Dave and/or Carmi........nothing came out here. Please re-send.

Hope you're all well!

Debbie 7080 30 12_Trying again14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:28:13 +0200435_Windows-1252 Debbie said our message didn't come through, so we'll try again using a different format:

Today, Thursday, Feb 8th, Shimon Kasdai passed away suddenly. Shimon was a longtime member of Kibbutz Urim and, among his other duties, was Madrich of the 16th and 17th Workshop. The funeral will be Sunday at Urim. Condolences can be sent via carmdave@urim.org.il to Shimon's three daughters, P'nina, Gila and Sara..... [...] 7111 41 14_Labor's defeat13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:15:45 -0500574_us-ascii Dear Chevre-

I am sure this isn't an original insight, but reading Avi's list of who voted for Sharon and who voted for Barak it struck me that it is a real

indictment of a party refers to itself as the "Labor" party to have all the laborers and low-middle and down-and-out classes except for the Arab citizens of Israel voting for the opposition's candidate. It is an amazing to me that the "labor" movement was perceived as so arrogant and elitist in the 1950's and onward that it managed to drive its natural constituency into the arms of the [...] 7153 34 18_RE: Labor's defeat11_Batel Libes19_batel@realmedia.com30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:26:28 -0800498_Windows-1252 It's not that different from the recent elections in the US, where most of those who voted for the Green party were not farm workers, but middle & upper class whites.

Batel

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Real Media 2180 Bryant St. San Francisco, CA 94110 tel. 415.643.5071, ext. 213 fax 415.643.7484 batel@realmedia.com http://www.realmedia.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= [...] 7188 24 14_Point of Order12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 08 Feb 2001 22:23:40 +0200570_us-ascii Haverim/ot The page count for yesterday's Habonet in (digest form) ran to 68. There were the usual undigested reprints - I guess that's a price we have to pay so people don't have to sit at their own computers to sift out what they feel is really essential before they hit the send button. But there were also the usual - to me - unpalatable and indigestible evangelist reprints. As broadminded and patient as our list is, as un-doctrinaire as Habonim has traditionally been; by no stretch of the imagination has it ever been for the ideology and for what [...] 7213 32 24_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON0_22_Richardrdsmith@aol.com28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:43:55 EST523_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/8/01 11:28:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, LiberHawke@aol.com writes:

> It is very easy to complain in hindsight, but > having lived in Gesher HaZiv, I know we were pretty relieved when there was > a > buffer zone...(I know I am getting myself into trouble here)

I have family on Gesher Haziv (the former kibbutz near the border of Lebanon) and they had no trouble blaming Sharon for the troubles in Lebanon. My brother wrote me after the election and said it very succinctly: [...] 7246 355 16_Re: Palestinians7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:56:32 +0200579_ISO-8859-1 deb, I sent news bulletins which I felt fellow Zionists might be interested in reading so that they would have a more clear and rounded out picture of what is really happening here. Much of what does indeed happen here in Israel is NOT reported abroad. If you want me to send excerpts from Yosef Chaim Brenner or Berdichevsky or A.D.Gordon, which are more in line with ideology, or writings of Yonatan Gefen and Ron Meyberg, which reflect only one side of the picture, then b'vakashah... The media distorts what is indeed happening and being said in Israel and I [...] 7602 69 24_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON13_avi rosenberg16_avi@gezer.org.il31_Thu, 08 Feb 2001 23:57:49 +0200567_us-ascii Hello Sue I have to say that I don't know what this actually means - "pussyfooting around" and "forcing peace", other than the usual belligerent type semantics one often hears. It doesn't seem as if the Palestinians are going to let themselves have a peace "forced on them". And although the army has shown a remarkable amount of restraint (or has been incredibly brutal, depending on who you talk to or who you read) if that is what is called "pussyfooting around", I'd hate to think of what the alternative is. When I hear the names of the people who [...] 7672 48 46_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON (For Avi and Richard)0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com28_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:22:42 EST531_US-ASCII Dear Avi and Richard- I guess I just don't know what to say--Everyone is right. If there were a way to just start from "today," and, as we used to say in the 60's- "make love not war," it would be a great thing. I was in Gesher Haziv when katyushas fell in the banana fields and we all had to go into the shelters. Whatever went wrong in Lebanon, it has to be a collective guilt, but it doesn't change today's realities. -- Actually- I was very impressed with Julia Chaitin's comments - the need for mutual respect - [...] 7721 61 35_email address for Sam & Anna Kelman17_Sam & Anna Kelman20_kelman@attglobal.net30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:27:47 -0500229_iso-8859-1 for those of you who still have our old ibm address, mail sent there after 3/1 will no longer get to us.

Please note our new email address: kelman@attglobal.net thanks. look forward to getting mail from you. Sam 7783 21 76_=00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00=14_Albert Kaufman18_ahk@cablespeed.com30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:16:49 -0800520_iso-8859-1 =00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00&=00n=00b=00s=00p=00;=00=

It's time for Habonet to switch toTopica or another service.

Albert Kaufman, Seattle



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--- Habonim Dror Alumni Virtual Machaneh wrote: > > HABONET Digest 1794 > > Topics covered in this issue include: > > 1) Kumsitz Date Change!!! > by SC523@aol.com > 2) Re: News? > by avi rosenberg > 3) WHO VOTED FOR SHARON > by "Martin J. Goodman" > 4) Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON > by avi rosenberg > 5) palestinian and jewish rights > by "julia chaitin" > 6) Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON > by LiberHawke@aol.com > 7) announcement of another death > by "Holtzer Family" > 8) Re: announcement of [...] 9293 147 15_point to ponder13_Moshe Sheskin24_moshes7@netvision.net.il30_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:37:29 +0200546_windows-1255 Zev, shalom



In this weeks edition of HaKibbutz, there is a letter signed by a number of chaverim from Bet Alpha, indicating their displeasure with the sensationalistic reporting on Kibbutz by HaAretz and of course, they summarily canceled their subscriptions.

I’m writing you because you are the only one that I know from Bet Alpha and out of friendship, I am venting my frustrations, not with you or HaAretz, but with these chaverim who choose to “sweep the dirt under the carpet” lest it be seen by all. [...] 9441 585 16_Another download15_Leo Diesendruck18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Fri, 09 Feb 2001 12:34:23 +0200546_Windows-1252 Thanks to my defenders on HABONET - but my feelings are not hurt by people voicing their opposing opinions. :-) Having retired from all employment over fifteen years ago I now have the time to search the net for all kinds of materials which I then email to various recipients. HABONET is one of my beneficiaries. But - to be more serious - I was on the losing side in both the US and Israeli elections and I must say that both victorious candidates have so far behaved with unexpected wisdom and moderation. I hope it keeps up. [...] 10027 165 24_Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Thu, 8 Feb 2001 23:15:24 +0200413_ISO-8859-1 Avi, if you want to place blame on Intifada 2, place it on Rajib who okayed the visit to the Mount. The Palestinian authorities themselves were asked if Sharon's visit was a problem and they said "NO." In retrospect we are all geniuses. pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: LiberHawke@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 6:26 PM Subject: Re: WHO VOTED FOR SHARON [...] 10193 72 18_Re: Point of Order7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il30_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:07:15 +0200579_ISO-8859-1 Is there something inherently inferior in writers and reporters who live in Israel compared to Kmbet and workshoppers, 99.9% of whom live in the United States? Are you saying we should base our opinions and knowledge on what kmbetters and workshoppers living abroad say rather than what these reporters write? Do we only have to read and listen to what people in our own camp say? That is elitism and arrogance. Listening to your own echo. Since when is it not news what the new prime minister says in his acceptance speech? I would think all of Am Yisrael would [...] 10266 106 37_CHESBON HA'NEFESH FOR THE LABOR PARTY17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il30_Fri, 9 Feb 2001 19:31:21 +0200510_Windows-1252 9 February 2001

In a letter I posted in Habonet Digest 1794, I wrote, "" Barak's overwhelming defeat was ... a vote against his policies. This means that the LEFT... needs a top to bottom cheshbon ha'nefesh (self-examination) if it does not wish to be marginalized in future elections. ""

In response, Avy Rosenberg commented, "" What kind of cheshbon nefesh do you recommend? To stop talking and "l'kasayach otam" (the Palestinians)?... "" [i.e., "wipe out the Palestinians".] [...] 10373 28 23_Re: HABONET digest 17950_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Sat, 10 Feb 2001 02:29:37 EST398_US-ASCII

In a message dated 2/10/01 12:12:57 AM, habonet@shamash.org writes:

<< It's time for Habonet to switch toTopica or another service.

Albert Kaufman, Seattle >> ================================= Chaver Albert

Please give us 3 good reasons why. Switching can be "painful". We could lose members. What could a Habonet subscriber expect to gain from a switch? [...] 10402 104 10_Proportion12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:20:09 +0200614_us-ascii Some words to Leo and Pearl and Moshe Kol hakavod to Leo Diesendruck for being as good as his word. He forwards a variety of short articles letting us have both sides of issues. Pearl, on the other hand is either patronizing/superior [1], disingenuous [2],or what literary theory calls an unreliable narrator.[3] [1]Is there something inherently inferior in writers and reporters who live in Israel compared to Kmbet and workshoppers, 99.9% of whom live in the United States? [1a] People have pointed out to you that you sound dismissive of anyone who lives abroad. You have often assumed the mantle [...] 10507 180 10_proportion7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 11 Feb 2001 00:28:15 +0200534_windows-1255 1. there is not a reporter alive in this country without an agenda. I, unfortunately, have had contacts with all too many of them over the last 8 years, radio, tv and newspapers. The only one I think I could trust is Boaz Shapira, the only mensch among them. Of course, Arutz 7 has an agenda too, that does not mean they should not be listened to in order to balance out the news we hear. Shumu shamayim: the links. God forbid a Jew should read the links to such things as yeshivas. I sent a news item which allowed [...] 10688 45 13_Shimon Kasdai17_yoninamatz lamdan20_yoninamatz@yahoo.com37_Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:17:41 -0800 (PST)538_us-ascii Shalom to all who knew Shimon! Today, Sunday, February 11, 2001, we will be burying Shimon Kasdai, in our own cemetery in Kibbutz Urim in the Negev, Israel. We are very sad at the loss of an old friend with whom we worked and shared in the movement and in Urim for over half a century! Shimon started out in Habonim in Winnipeg, went to the third Habonim Institute in NY in 1947, and to the Machon in Israel in the fifth course, in 1949-50. After working in the movement, he made aliya in 1953 and married Bea (Batya) Elkin [...] 10734 49 63_Great name for a band: the Bolshevik elitist slaves to ideology11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:59:29 -0500327_us-ascii Skolnik wrote:

> ...You wrote something about km bet and workshoppers' views being aired instead of Arutz 7's, and I simply asked how they can inform us of newsbreaks and events in Israel today if they are not here. >

Pearl,

That may be what you intended to say, but it is not what you said: [...] 10784 18 23_Re: HABONET digest 17960_17_Shulansid@aol.com29_Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:55:27 EST420_US-ASCII Amnon: kol hakavod. Thank goodness I have you to write for me. Till 120!!! shula troy

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> > FYI, INO is forwarding this op-ed piece from the "Gamla Lo Tipol Shenit" > group. > > Hezi Daus, Webmaster > Israel News Online > E-mail: IsraelHr@aol.com > Winner, Jewish Agency for Israel's "Top Ten Sites Award," August and > December 1999 > Winner, Hareshim.com's "Best of the List Award," Nisan 5760 > ----------------- > Forwarded Message: > Subj: GAMLA: The Broad Impact of Arafat's Planned Move to Baghdad > Date: 2/10/01 11:21:53 AM Pacific Standard Time > > > From: email@gamla.org.il (GAMLA Staff) [...] 11244 31 33_Shimon Kasdai and Kibbutz-Bashing15_Nechemia Meyers32_rrmeyers@wisemail.weizmann.ac.il31_Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:35:14 +0200612_US-ASCII Shalom Chevre, I've just returned from the funeral of Shimon Kasdai at Urim, which was attended by dozens of people from outside the kibbutz besides, of course, members of Urim. The number of participants in the funderal reflected the fact that Shimon was admired and loved by a great many people, myself included. He was always full of energy,ideas and affection, even after he lost Batya and become extremely ill. My admiration for people like Shimon, of whom the kibbutz movement had (and has) many, makes me particularly angry when I read all the kibbutz-bashing articles that have appeared of [...] 11276 60 17_Re:" Proportions"0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 01:58:26 EST581_US-ASCII Gee, Amnon is always right and Pearl is always wrong; personally, I love Amnon's missives here on the net- they are intelligent and extremely well written, and often bring me to tears. But I have also grown from a lot of the information put on this venue by Pearl- (the breakdown of votes was particularly interesting-and something I never would have seen otherwise) -whether or not I agree with it all is another story-sometimes I don't have an opinion; But like stories from my Grandmother, I can sit and "listen" (read) and form my own opinions. I feel Pearl does [...] 11337 37 12_NEWS SOURCES17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:35:14 +0200372_Windows-1252 12 February 2001

It may be oversimplifying, but it seems that some of the participants in the ongoing "thread" in Habonet about news sources assume that news from idealogically slanted news sources is not news.

It should be remembered that even amid the disinformation published by an opponent, some of the news may be reported accurately. [...] 11375 46 16_Re: NEWS SOURCES11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:51:38 -0500306_us-ascii I agree with Marty on this one. As long as you understand the slant, one can gather valuable information from almost any source. Understanding the mindset of all camps is also valuable.

Marty - could you send me email with the urls of the PA english language sites to which you refer? [...] 11422 64 10_Rape video0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:36:58 EST401_US-ASCII JERUSALEM (AP) --Video footage of a naked woman being beaten by an attacker who also allegedly raped her was broadcast on the national television news, spurring outrage and calls of protest to the state-run Israel Television.

The attacker filmed the assault in which he beat and raped his house cleaner, according to the charges. The alleged rape was not broadcast on television. [...] 11487 21 37_Re: Shimon Kasdai and Kibbutz-Bashing0_17_JackNusan@aol.com29_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:06:46 EST331_US-ASCII I agree with Nechemia. I am also very sad about my madrich and shaliach to the Midwest Shimon Kasdai. My condolenscenes to his family. He was a wonderful man and leader. We are losing more and more of our mentors every few month it seems.

Jackie Porter, now of Newton, Mass, formerly of Milwaukee and Chicago. [...] 11509 35 26_Re: Kumsitz Date Change!!!8_Pristoop22_cpristoo@mail.bcpl.net31_Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:58:45 -0500572_us-ascii A break for me as well. Have committment for June 9, but not June 2. Allan Pristoop

At 03:00 AM 2/8/01 -0500, you wrote: > We must change the date of the annual New York Kumsitz HaGadol to June 2nd. >Our devoted makhela leader, Abba CAspi, has a performance which would have >prevented him from joining us on June 9th, so we have changed all the >reservations and made arrangements for June 2nd. > >This will enable those who wish to participate in the 50th Anniversary of the >Israel Dance Festival (come cheer on the first Habonim Dance Ensemble to [...] 11545 24 44_URL's to Arab and Moslem internet newspapers17_Martin J. Goodman19_mgoodman@012.net.il31_Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:54:44 +0200570_Windows-1252 13 February 2001

The following url provides links to a list of English language Arab and Moslem internet newspapers.

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/newsstnd.htm

marty goodman mgoodman@012.net.il

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> Once again, there is a new computer worm virus making its way around the > Internet through email called the "VBS.SST@mm" VBS.SST@mm or "Anna > Kournikova" Virus. MLH is has not been affected by this virus, thanks to > the anti-virus software installed on the email servers, but there are many > organizations throughout the world that have been. > Please be advised that if you are using another email system for personal [...] 11632 22 40_Re: FW: Advisory - Anna Kournikova Virus0_15_Moshava@aol.com29_Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:23:10 EST345_US-ASCII sharon, thank you so much for sending the email about this virus. i recognized the name of the file as one my daughter received yesterday from the local jewish federation. i did a virus check and sure enough, it came up as infected. i hope it didn't do any damage. how do i check? i haven't noticed any unusual problems yet. tammy [...] 11655 32 40_Re: FW: Advisory - Anna Kournikova Virus11_Batel Libes25_batel_libes@earthlink.net31_Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:16:00 -0800290_us-ascii As long as you don't open the attachment, which launches the virus, you are safe. In fact, attachments should never be opened unless you know what they contain. I always let people know that I have attached a document and what it is. No room for guessing, no chance of error. [...] 11688 32 40_Attn: LA Habos- Looking for Nitzan Barak0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:59:07 EST104_US-ASCII Hi- I am trying to reach Nitzan- I need her LA phone number--if she is still here...Thanks- Sue 11721 130 17_Re:" Proportions"7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 15 Feb 2001 23:46:15 +0200638_iso-8859-1 thanks. I am so happy you are out there! Shabbat shalom, pearl ----- Original Message ----- From: LiberHawke@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re:" Proportions"



Gee, Amnon is always right and Pearl is always wrong; personally, I love Amnon's missives here on the net- they are intelligent and extremely well written, and often bring me to tears. But I have also grown from a lot of the information put on this venue by Pearl- (the breakdown of votes was particularly interesting-and something I never would have seen otherwise) -whether or not I agree with it [...] 11852 35 45_Re: Kulanu & Adas Israel hosting Calcutta Jew0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:52:55 EST358_US-ASCII Re: Kulanu's program with Calcutta Jewry, I thought you might enjoy this.

Three + years ago, my friend Bud and I played a couple of concerts in Calcutta. Afterwards, the Jazz Club of Calcutta hosted a dinner for us. There were about fifteen people present. Over dinner, someone asked me about my background, and I told him I was Jewish. [...] 11888 226 17_Heroic Transition12_Amnon Hadary22_amriv@netvision.net.il31_Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:29:34 +0200566_iso-8859-1 Apologia [prologue to Heroic Transition]

"The pioneers were animated by their enthusiasm for Zionism's ideal of becoming rooted in land. Even when a person is born on this soil he doesn't posses it until he has put down graves in it. I finally feel bound to the land: besides my parents' graves and my son's my grave, too, waits. Three generations of Segal's who gave their lives." - LOCAL LEGENDS, ZVI LUZ Zvi Luz, born in kibbutz Deganya B is the son of Kaddish Luz who was the first Speaker of the Knesset. The lines above are from a novel [...] 12115 62 19_Amnon does it again0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 17 Feb 2001 20:22:25 EST562_US-ASCII First of all- thanks again for a thought p(rovo)king Shabbat. As I sit here in Los Angeles, trying to figure out my fate, - having lived through a "downsizing" of my career, having to reinvent myself and surviving the "what-nowisms" of this contemporary society where job security - or any security for that matter is shaky - knowing full well that no matter how many years come and go, I can always find comfort in the one thing that has been the thread in my life - my heritage. I waited until Shabbat to read Amnon's missive-because I wanted to [...] 12178 117 18_Israel Labor Party15_Leo Diesendruck18_leodie@isdn.net.il31_Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:38:02 +0200402_Windows-1252 Those of you who keep up with Israeli news know about the internal situation between Barak and several others in the leadership. This article appeared recently in the Jerusalem Post and may be of interest. The author is former head of Yitzhak Rabin's office.

Prof. L. Diesendruck Petach Tikva Rd. 7/408 Netanya, 42461 Israel phone: 011 971 9 860 1878 email: leodie@isdn.net.il [...] 12296 98 31_Beit Habonim / Tnuat Bogrim!!!!0_13_Ezrox@aol.com29_Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:52:23 EST589_US-ASCII

Dear Habo Chevre,

In an effort to increase the Habonim presence in Israel, Kvutsat Yovel, the New Urban Kibbutz of Habonim Dror, is undertaking a project spearheaded by the World Habonim Office in Tel Aviv. We are opening "Beit Habonim." This is going to be a center of support and programming for young Habonim Dror Bogrim from around the world who are living in Israel. This is an effort to create a Tnuat Bogrim of Habonim in Israel. We are planning on having monthly programming to create a support network and a feeling that Habonim does in fact exist in [...] 12395 44 35_Contractor / Renovator in Jerusalem0_13_Ezrox@aol.com29_Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:52:24 EST225_US-ASCII Can anyone recommend a contractor or renovator in Jerusalem? We need someone who can build an interior dry-wall in Beit Habonim. Please respond privately ezra@kvutsatyovel.com

Todah

Ezra



12440 90 39_Re: Contractor / Renovator in Jerusalem14_Ethan Schwartz24_schwar1@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:12:18 +0200513_iso-8859-1 What is your stand on labor? Quality, Cheap, Jewish, Arab, Romanian, Chinese. The Histadrut headquarters where Renovated by foreign labor. Habonim? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezrox@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Contractor / Renovator in Jerusalem



Can anyone recommend a contractor or renovator in Jerusalem? We need someone who can build an interior dry-wall in Beit Habonim. Please respond privately ezra@kvutsatyovel.com [...] 12531 21 14_guitar concert0_12_SHX2@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 00:24:54 EST472_US-ASCII Dear Habonet,

I am appearing at McCabe's, Santa Monica, this Friday evening, February 23. Come one, come all.

Steve Hancoff

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In a message dated 2/19/01 12:09:19 AM, habonet@shamash.org writes:

<< ------------------------------ From: Ezrox@aol.com Message-ID: <64.b5b0ddf.27c181f7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 14:52:23 EST Subject: Beit Habonim / Tnuat Bogrim!!!! To: habonet@shamash.org, hdna@yahoogroups.com



Dear Habo Chevre,

In an effort to increase the Habonim presence in Israel, Kvutsat Yovel, the New Urban Kibbutz of Habonim Dror, is undertaking a project spearheaded by the World Habonim Office in Tel Aviv. We are opening "Beit Habonim." This is going to be a center of support and programming for young Habonim Dror Bogrim from around the world who are living in [...] 12632 30 18_Re: guitar concert0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 02:05:00 EST108_US-ASCII Anyone want to make an evening of Steve's performance???Email me...--Also Steve- What time???...sue 12663 163 35_RE: Beit Habonim / Tnuat Bogrim!!!!11_Dani Lamdan24_shaliach@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 09:36:18 -0500451_iso-8859-1 Shalom Ezra and Jared Good luck with you're new adventure I am sure it can be a grate to have some kind of Tnuat Bogrim, As you did it with the HDF it will happen here to. Letrout Dani L. -----Original Message----- From: owner-habonet@shamash.org [mailto:owner-habonet@shamash.org]On Behalf Of Ezrox@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:52 PM To: habonet@shamash.org; hdna@yahoogroups.com Subject: Beit Habonim / Tnuat Bogrim!!!! [...] 12827 58 18_Re: guitar concert14_Holtzer Family20_carmdave@urim.org.il31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:37:04 +020046_iso-8859-1 SEND ELAL TICKETS - WILL ATTEND!!!! 12886 67 3_FW:11_Dani Lamdan24_shaliach@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:09:48 -0500410_iso-8859-1

-----Original Message----- From: Joe Garcia [mailto:keeper@nni.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:06 AM To: shaliach@habonimdror.org Subject:



Hello! When I was a young pup, I went to a camp in Ellenville, NY. It was named Camp Ein Harod. I was wondering if this was a part of Habonim Dror? I have to say that I had a great time there and was just wondering . . . . [...] 12954 90 3_FW:11_Jamie Levin22_mazkir@habonimdror.org31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:56:14 -0500623_iso-8859-1



-----Original Message----- From: Dani Lamdan [mailto:shaliach@habonimdror.org] Sent: Tue, February 20, 2001 10:07 AM To: Jaime Levin Subject: FW:



Can you forward it to habonet? Toda dani L. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Garcia [mailto:keeper@nni.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:06 AM To: shaliach@habonimdror.org Subject:



Hello! When I was a young pup, I went to a camp in Ellenville, NY. It was named Camp Ein Harod. I was wondering if this was a part of Habonim Dror? I have to say that I had a great time there and was just wondering . . . . [...] 13045 58 7_Re: FW:0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:37:21 EST362_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/20/01 7:41:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, shaliach@habonimdror.org writes:



> Hello! When I was a young pup, I went to a camp in Ellenville, NY. It was > named Camp Ein Harod. I was wondering if this was a part of Habonim Dror? I > have to say that I had a great time there and was just wondering . . . . > > Joe > [...] 13104 118 7_Re: FW:12_nancy mimoun19_nmimoun@sunhill.com31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:26:39 -0500572_iso-8859-1 My MB (1977) was at a Dror camp. I think it was Ein Harod... Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: FW:



In a message dated 2/20/01 7:41:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, shaliach@habonimdror.org writes:





Hello! When I was a young pup, I went to a camp in Ellenville, NY. It was named Camp Ein Harod. I was wondering if this was a part of Habonim Dror? I have to say that I had a great time there and was just wondering . . . . [...] 13223 20 6_MB '770_18_Rachelbern@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:55:27 EST432_ISO-8859-1 Nancy,

As one of the Ein Charod Eight, I'm QUITE sure our MB was there....

Rachel

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> I had the pleasure of being meraker eizor New York when Habonim and Dror > merged into Habonim-Dror. Ein Charod was a Dror camp that was used for MB > 77, and I believe MB 78. In 1976 MB was held in the upper shetach of > Na'aleh, then at Ein Harod, and then for a few years in the lower shetach > at > [...] 13356 21 11_Bet Hashita13_Judith Gelman16_gelman@erols.com31_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:21:18 -0500447_us-ascii Dear Chevre-

Could someone please tell me exactly where Bet Ha Shita is located?

Todah Judy Gelman

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Bet Hashita is located in the Jezreel Valley between Afula and Bet Shean. Really hot in the summer. It's close to Kibbutz Tel Yosef, Ein Harod, and the pools at Sahne. They have an olive factory there, and years ago, when all of the DC community shlichim were from there, you could buy all of the Beit Hashita canned pickles and olives on Sundays at the JCC in Rockville. (Just a bit of trivia)! [...] 13409 50 36_Re: Regarding Camp Ein Charod and MB0_18_Yoni121260@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:24:14 EST481_US-ASCII Tel Ari was a beautiful machaneh. We held machaneh bonim there every year and the Mosh, Galil and Na'aleh chevreh would get together. We always slept in a large open field, and invariably it was in August which is the time of year for shooting stars.

Each Machaneh Bonim had its own semel which had been painted onto the roof at Tel Ari and when Habonim sold the camp the semels were taken. They were at one time at Na'aleh. I have no idea where they are now. [...] 13460 64 36_Re: Regarding Camp Ein Charod and MB0_14_KBob24@aol.com29_Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:52:31 EST339_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/20/01 11:25:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, Yoni121260@aol.com writes:



> Each Machaneh Bonim had its own semel which had been painted onto the roof > at > Tel Ari and when Habonim sold the camp the semels were taken. They were at > one time at Na'aleh. I have no idea where they are now. > > [...] 13525 27 29_Re: Regarding Camp Ein Charod0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:28:46 EST553_US-ASCII When MB Daled split into mini-kvutsot to visit various other Movement camps (the Mifal we called it) - I was assigned (with Hudi Rubin and a few others) to Ein Harod where they 1)castigated us for allowing popular music rather than Israeli music only at camp; 2)revered Ber Borochov in the way that we, in Habonim, revered A.D. Gordon and Ahad Ha'am; 3)put us overnight in a tzrif with bats. Needless to say, we did not sleep the whole night as we clutched each other in fear of the bats whom we could hear flap flap flapping their wings. [...] 13553 55 20_Dror camp Ein Charod7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:36:00 +0200315_windows-1255 I remember the camp from when my cousin was the central shaliach for Dror. I thought it was beautiful there. Can't imagine it as resembling a slum. Maybe because I was used to farm plumbing. I believe the first time Habonim used it for a joint affair was in the summer of 1963. hayoo zmanim...... pearl 13609 35 28_Holocaust deniers conference16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:42:31 -0500617_us-ascii Holocaust Deniers to Convene in Lebanon

According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai Brith, Beirut, Lebanon will be the site of a major conference of Holocaust deniers scheduled to begin on March 31. Co-sponsored by the California-based Institute of Historical Review (IHR), the leading American association of Holocaust deniers, it will be the first major organized conference on Holocaust denial to be held in an Arabic-speaking nation. **For all the latest news, please click here -- www.virtualjerusalem.com/news [...] 13645 714 28_Holocaust deniers conference16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 09:05:25 -050078_us-ascii

http://207.168.91.3/news/worldjewry/?disp_feature=/hNaa0c.var 14360 41 15_RE: Bet Hashita11_Dani Lamdan24_shaliach@habonimdror.org31_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:54:24 -0500314_iso-8859-1 Shalom Judy Bait Hashita is a Kibbutz near the Bait Shan Valley. The best way gating there is driving to Afula and then taking the road to Bait Shan, after passing Ein Charod (the real kibbutz, not the camp...) you will get to Bait Hashita. it's "in between Haifa and the Kenneret. Letrout Dani L. [...] 14402 40 27_please take me off the list0_15_GAMEGAL@aol.com29_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:21:50 EST112_US-ASCII can you please remove me from your list.

thank you.

heidi friedman

gamegal@aol.com 14443 89 29_Fw: Who are the Palestinians?7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:50:04 +0200644_iso-8859-1

----- Original Message ----- From: jkatz To: Informal Aliyah discussion group Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Who are the Palestinians?



> In the 1900s, less than 100,000 people lived in what is called "the West Bank" > and about 20% of them were Jewish. > > The "Palestinians" (actually a collection of migrant workers) have streamed into > the West Bank and Gaza from Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. > > Over 250 small Arab settlements have been founded in the West Bank since > 1950. Anyone who has visited the West [...] 14533 46 26_Steve and Margo Jay's 50th9_Naomi Jay18_njay@itsa.ucsf.edu31_Wed, 21 Feb 2001 18:35:28 -0800523_us-ascii

> > Hi chevre. My parents' 50th wedding anniversery is approaching and we're > hoping to gather together an album of their past exploits (like when my > father was Rosh Naaleh in 1954 or so, and my big brother was a bayit brat). > If any of you have any pictures (or stories) you'd like to share for the > album please email me directly by March 9th. If you want the pictures copied > and returned, I'll do that; if you want to scan something to me, that's great > too. This is a surprise for them so [...] 14580 39 30_Re: Steve and Margo Jay's 50th0_14_Ohanka@aol.com29_Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:26:37 EST559_US-ASCII

In a message dated 2/21/01 9:39:46 PM, njay@itsa.ucsf.edu writes:

<< Hi chevre. My parents' 50th wedding anniversery is approaching and we're > hoping to gather together an album of their past exploits (like when my > father was Rosh Naaleh in 1954 or so, and my big brother was a bayit brat). > If any of you have any pictures (or stories) you'd like to share for the > album please email me directly by March 9th. If you want the pictures copied > and returned, I'll do that; if you want to scan something to me, that's great > [...] 14620 178 129_Re: Your Clicks Helped Over 167 million People In 2000; FREE Tax Prep At H&R Block, FREE Fitness Kit & More Ways to Fight Hunger!0_15_NEVETS2@aol.com29_Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:18:12 EST382_US-ASCII http://www.thehungersite.com

Chevre, shalom

Once again I implore you. The Hunger Site is for real.

Make the Hunger Site your home page. Every time you open your browser it pops up in a second. Then click on the button to register a donation of food. Then go about your daily online business. (see end to explain how you can choose your home page) [...] 14799 127 7_Re: FW:5_yigal18_ysela@inter.net.il31_Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:04:39 +0200400_iso-8859-1 Ein Harod was a Dror camp before the unification of Kibbutz Hemaeuchad (Dror) and Ichud HAkviutsut (Habonim) into the TAkam (Habonim Dror). It was owned by the Kibbutz Movement and was sold off with the joining of the two movements.

Yigal Sela ----- Original Message ----- From: DebALev@aol.com To: habonet@shamash.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: FW: [...] 14927 35 14_Re: Mikkie D's0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:35:17 EST564_US-ASCII In a message dated 2/3/01 12:58:17 AM Central Standard Time, ahk@cablespeed.com writes:

<< Hey, c'mon chevra. When was the last time anyone actually ate at a McDonalds?

Spike >>

I have to say - now that McDonalds has a veggie burger featured at many of their locations, it is a very quick way for a veggie to grab something quick at a low price, and I've just started going there for the first time since becoming a veggie 23 years ago. So don't assume that people won't go there - Jamie, I assume your point is that they do not [...] 14963 22 14_Re: Mikkie D's0_15_DebALev@aol.com29_Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:40:34 EST395_ISO-8859-1 Ain't no veggie burgers out this way~!!!!

They do have different things in different markets...I remember almost going into shock when my daughter and I stopped at a McD's in Maine....they had lobster rolls there ($3.99 at the time, about 4 years ago)...and the kid behind the counter was amazed that I was amazed....said they had them at ALL the McDonald's, she thought. [...] 14986 36 20_Re: Birthright trips0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:50:45 EST560_US-ASCII Sorry I'm just getting to this response now - as someone who has been involved in Israel programs for many years professionally, I was a very big naysayer when the Birthright trips were first established. I still have my doubts, but, to give you the complete picture, I must honestly report that I have spoken to 2 young people in their 20s who went on Birthright and thought it was the most fantastic program ever. One of these is a young, bright woman who works in the Conference Dept. at Hofstra University here in NY. She was so impressed by [...] 15023 22 10_Birthright13_Michael Livni21_ml-lotan@zahav.net.il31_Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:58:55 -0800391_utf-8 I fully concur with Aliya. With such large numbers on Birthright you clearly will have cases of "born again Zionism." The tragedy is that for a relatively not much greater cost one could recruit for serious long term programs. Birthright is geared to reinforcing pro-Israel Jewish identity. That is the concern of the American Jewish community. Zionist commitment is not. Michael [...] 15046 54 14_youth programs12_STAN GOLDMAN17_stan@inter.net.il31_Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:56:33 +0200323_windows-1255 I have been told that "Birthtight" has few if any young people coming this summer . I also heard that Nifty has removed Israel from its program this summer. Does anyone know if this is true ???? While the loss of touirists has seriouisly hurt Israel , should we encourage young people to visit us at this time? 15101 50 24_In Defense of Birthright16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Sat, 24 Feb 2001 05:33:00 -0500538_us-ascii Michael Livni, in response to Aliya, wrote:

> With such large numbers on Birthright you > clearly will have cases of "born again Zionism." The tragedy is that for a > relatively not much greater cost one could recruit for serious long term > programs. > Maybe we've got it diametrically wrong. Maybe the traditional so-called "Zionist" movement programs are the ones that are inefficient and not cost effective. Maybe large-scale programs such as Birthright are indeed the best way to impact the American Jewish community. 15152 20 18_Re: youth programs0_15_AvivaMT@aol.com29_Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:26:18 EST609_US-ASCII My son, Noah Gallagher, works for the national office of Young Judaea in NYC and just took a group of 60 high school seniors to Israel two weeks ago. They had a very emotional, positive experience according to Noah. Israel programs are very much alive in Young Judaea. Aviva

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> Maybe we've got it diametrically wrong. Maybe the traditional so-called > "Zionist" movement programs are the ones that are inefficient and not cost > effective. Maybe large-scale programs such as Birthright are indeed the > best way to impact the American Jewish community. [...] 15294 76 23_Steve Hancoff's Concert0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:58:26 EST590_US-ASCII

Despite the attempt to get together beforehand- a bunch of old Haboheads met up at McCabe's Guitar shop along with about 40 others to experience a concert of Jazz Steele Guitar....I almost didn't make it -- my Friday seemed awfully busy and I was exhausted after traveling from "the Valley" over to the West side. A stop at in a Santa Monica Starbucks yielded not only coffee, but a surprise encounter with Seymour Cassell- an actor with whom I worked in a film in North Carolina called "Chasers" ( directed by Dennis Hopper). We reminisced about Myrtle Beach and the [...] 15371 76 42_ATTENTION CHEVRE FROM SO. CAL. MACHANOT !!0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:28:59 EST626_US-ASCII HERE'S AN IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM THE LOS ANGELES-AREA HABO ARCHIVE! In our quest to document the history of Habonim in our corner, we have made some amazing discoveries just in the last several months.

You may remember Hy Douglas (z"l), our chaver who, among MANY acts of kindness and assistance, used to tape-record our neshefim. Those tapes had been missing all these years. The archives have had some bits and pieces from those tapes, mostly on poor sources. Well, just recently many of those original reel-to-reel tapes showed up!! It is quite amazing, the thought of listening to Habonim performances [...] 15448 65 40_this is not a klutz kashe, it's for real7_Skolnik24_skolnik@netvision.net.il31_Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:57:21 +0200451_windows-1255 someone just wrote a letter to habonet in which she wrote asking what should be done in a particular case by "we as socialists." My question is, and I am serious, I am not tweeking: what is your definition of socialism? how do you live a socialist life in America, i.e., how do you express your socialism? How do you act out your socialism? What makes you different as socialists from other people who are not socialists in America? pearl 15514 40 46_Re: ATTENTION CHEVRE FROM SO. CAL. MACHANOT !!21_Tsippi (Frances) Rudy21_tsip@worldnet.att.net31_Sun, 25 Feb 2001 01:23:37 -0800625_us-ascii



At 04:28 PM 2/24/01 -0500, you wrote: >HERE'S AN IMPORTANT UPDATE FROM THE LOS ANGELES-AREA HABO ARCHIVE! >In our quest to document the history of Habonim in our corner, we have made >some amazing discoveries just in the last several months. > >You may remember Hy Douglas (z"l), our chaver who, among MANY acts of >kindness and assistance, used to tape-record our neshefim. Those tapes had >been missing all these years. The archives have had some bits and pieces from >those tapes, mostly on poor sources. Well, just recently many of those >original reel-to-reel tapes showed up!! It is quite [...] 15555 60 38_Urban Socialism gains media attention!0_13_Ezrox@aol.com29_Sun, 25 Feb 2001 05:12:42 EST603_US-ASCII

Dear Habonet Chevrei,

Kvutzat Yovel is in the News! Check out last Friday's version of Ha'artez, English Edition. If you don't have access to the paper, the weblink is: Kvtuzat Yovel in Haaretz

http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/htmls/kat30_2.htm

Also, thank you to all who have responded regarding drywall contact in Jerusalem for Beit Habonim. I'm going to start making phone calls today. Thanks to Habonet, I have about 5 numbers to call today for contractors in Jerusalem. That's pretty impressive. [...] 15616 181 28_FW: Birthright-Elihu Davison13_Michael Livni21_ml-lotan@zahav.net.il31_Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:55:11 -08001219_utf-8 ‭----------‬ From‭: "‬Michael‭ ‬Livni‭" <‬ml‭-‬lotan@zahav‭.‬net‭.‬il‭>‬ To‭: ‬habonet@ahamash‭.‬org Subject‭: ‬Birthright‭-‬Elihu‭ ‬Davison Date‭: ‬Sat‭, 24 ‬Feb‭ 2001 23:13:57 -0800‬ Elihu‭ ‬Davison‭ ‬writes‭ "‬Maybe‭ ‬the‭ ‬traditional‭ ‬so‭ ‬called‭ ‬Zionist‭ ‬movement programs‭ ‬are‭ ‬the‭ ‬ones‭ ‬that‭ ‬are‭ ‬inefficient‭ ‬and‭ ‬not‭ ‬cost‭ ‬effective‭. ‬Maybe large‭ ‬scale‭ ‬programs‭ ‬such‭ ‬as‭ ‬Birthright‭ ‬are‭ ‬indeed‭ ‬the‭ ‬best‭ ‬way‭ ‬to‭ ‬impact the‭ ‬American‭ ‬Jewish‭ ‬community‭."‬ ‭1. ‬I‭ ‬conceded‭ ‬that‭ ‬if‭ ‬Jewish‭ ‬identity‭ ‬and‭ ‬pro‭-‬Israel‭ ‬orientation‭ ‬is‭ ‬the name‭ ‬of‭ ‬the‭ ‬game‭ ‬then‭ ‬MAYBE‭ ‬Birthright‭ ‬is‭ ‬a‭ ‬way‭ ‬to‭ ‬go‭.‬ ‭2. ‬My‭ ‬concern‭ ‬is‭ ‬ZIONIST‭ ‬COMMITMENT‭ -- ‬i‭.‬e‭. ‬those‭ ‬who‭ ‬will‭ ‬be‭ ‬committed‭ ‬to investing‭ ‬part‭ ‬of‭ ‬their‭ ‬life‭ ‬energy‭ [...] 15798 26 18_Re: youth programs22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com31_Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:54:44 -0600570_- I don't know about these programs. My niece is doing the graduate program in Jewish communal service at Brandeis. They are supposed to spend a month in Israel this June, I think. The program was supposed to include a similar program from the University of Michigan, and they have cancelled. Thus far Brandeis is still going. Debbie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. [...] 15825 21 39_Re: email address for Sam & Anna Kelman0_13_SC523@aol.com29_Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:06:42 EST490_US-ASCII

In a message dated 2/8/1 9:35:05 PM, kelman@attglobal.net writes:

<< kelman@attglobal.net >>

Thanks for forwarding the change - Aliya

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Hi from Steve Klein

It was good to see your name on the site. I hope all is well with you. If you are attending the kumzitz in June, it will certainly be good to see you there.

Hy Douglas (z"l) was my friend ,and landlord while I was attending Valley State College (Now Cal State Northridge). He shared his massive collection of tapes with me, and it was from Hy that I learned about the Weavers, the Guthries, little boxes on the hillside,etc. Besides all the Habonim stuff, his collection of folk music is probably one of the [...] 15939 18 46_Re: ATTENTION CHEVRE FROM SO. CAL. MACHANOT !!0_16_YonatonS@aol.com29_Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:29:58 EST389_ISO-8859-1 Dear Ron, Shalom I have thought of contacting you over the years, but things always seem to get in the way. This time I figured I would write. I have a number of photo albums from the late '50s and early'60s and educational material dating back to the late 1940's. Let me know if it might be on interest. My work number is 323-761-8631, home is 323-934-1060. Be well. Yoni [...] 15958 17 46_Re: ATTENTION CHEVRE FROM SO. CAL. MACHANOT !!0_16_YonatonS@aol.com29_Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:38:45 EST459_ISO-8859-1 please excuse my personal note to Ron Orenstein sent through habonet. I am sorry that my net skills are so deficient. Yoni

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In a message dated 2/25/01 9:01:29 PM, Tsippi writes:

<< Ron--

Are there any plans/volunteers to transfer those old tapes to CD, or at the very least to cassette? LA neshefim were legendary to us up in the wilds of Northern California, and I for one would love to hear them, as no doubt any of the participants would. How about combining an airing with the reunion? Or even a special evening with a $5-10 donation to cover the expenses of the medium transfer? [...] 16261 35 16_HABONIM ARCHIVES0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 03:33:28 EST574_US-ASCII

STEVE KLEIN WROTE ABOUT HY DOUGLAS:

<< Besides all the Habonim stuff, his collection of folk music is probably one of the most extensive anywhere around. It would be great to find out where it all is. Perhaps his daughter Susie can help? >>

Steve and chevre, Thanks for the great memories of Hy. My first peulot were on his "ranch". As an amel in the late Sixties, I remember he had Mad Magazines going back to 1958! Pretty impressive for a grown-up, I thought. I have been trying to track down Hy's daughter for quite a while. The phone [...] 16297 18 42_One more source on Purim, not to be missed0_17_Shulansid@aol.com29_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:25:28 EST451_US-ASCII Shari Troy's article "The Mother of all Purimshpieln", published in the latest issue of Jerusalem Report. Shula Troy

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Thanks, brian





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Does anyone have access to Jewish Frontier magazine archives? In about 1961 to 1963 or so I published translations of a story by Yehuda Burla, and of poems by Haim Guri and other, as well as a piece of fiction.

I have lost my copies of these publications. Can anyone tell me how I can find the originals? [...] 16372 48 30_Any suggestions? RE: Ma'apilim0_18_LiberHawke@aol.com29_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:24:22 EST532_US-ASCII Dear Chevre- I am doing a little work with the producer of the "40th Anniversary World Tour" of the film "Exodus" ( Paul Newman and Eva Marie Saint- for those of you too young to remember). We are trying top locate survivors of the ships what carried ma'apilim (there were 65 ships that traveled between August 1945 - May 1948) from Europe attempting to reach Israel. Anyone who has any ideas about websites (aside form the Shoah Foundation) would be a big help! Please email me privately at : Liberhawke@aol.com Thanks Sue 16421 46 20_Re: HABONIM ARCHIVES9_Ben Cohen14_bencee@rcn.com31_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:34:52 -0500510_iso-8859-1 Dear Richard: The remaining archives of the Frontier (what's left of them) are at the LZA offices at 275 Seventh Ave. New York, NY 10001, 17th floor. If you address a letter to Nahum Guttman at that address, he might be able to find what you want. No guarantees though, expressed or implied. Ben Cohen -----Original Message----- From: richard jacobson To: habonet@shamash.org Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: Re: HABONIM ARCHIVES [...] 16468 181 15_a good analysis13_Yuval Warshai16_warshais@tir.com31_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:54:50 -0500724_Windows-1252 Here is, finally, a clear-sighted analysis of the current political, military, and diplomatic situation between Israel and the Palestinians. It was published in today's English version Ha'aretz (http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/htmls/kat9_4.htm), but I am reproducing it below in simple text format for the wider benefit of everyone. I agree with the proposed steps the author recommends be taken, even though he himself acknowledges towards the end the inherent difficulties in implementing them correctly. But what I mostly endorse is his clear-sighted analysis of the reasons for the outbreak of the current intifada. These reasons were neither Arafat's internal political initiatives and wider diplomatic [...] 16650 45 19_Re: Jewish Frontier11_Noam Stopak26_n.stopak@scienceserver.com31_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:02:23 -0500445_us-ascii



richard jacobson wrote:

> Keridos amigos: > > Does anyone have access to Jewish Frontier magazine archives? In about 1961 > to 1963 or so I published translations of a story by Yehuda Burla, and of > poems by Haim Guri and other, as well as a piece of fiction. > > I have lost my copies of these publications. Can anyone tell me how I can > find the originals? > > Thanks in advance. > > Richard B. Jacobson [...] 16696 25 19_Re: Jewish Frontier8_Ephraims14_cbma@erols.com31_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:52:25 +0000293_us-ascii Noam et al-

My dad used to get Jewish Frontier and I don't remember anybody's smiling face on the cover. I remember a black & white cover with no artwork at all and a list of the contents. Or am I confusing it with Midstream, or Commentary? Uh oh, the memory is going.... [...] 16722 22 28_Re: LOS ANGELES AREA ARCHIVE0_18_Judithb253@aol.com29_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:53:10 EST444_US-ASCII I hope when Ron and his helpers get the music together from old records, it will become available for the rest of us to purchase. Please keep letting us know how that project is working out. There are very few tapes I know of with old (40s and 50s) songs we can still remember, but would love to hear again. If any one knows titles of tapes or CDs made from those ancient records, I like to know where to find them. Todah, Judy B [...] 16745 48 23_Re: HABONET digest 18090_16_HGavorin@aol.com29_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:55:59 EST539_US-ASCII Hi, Our younger son Randy will be leaving on a Birthright program called Livnot in the next couple of weeks. He is thrilled with the program and the people. He chief of data systems for Michigan State Medical Society and has always shown excellent judgement. He toured Israel with Harvey and me in '98, but would like contribute something this time. If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to pass on feedback. I appreciated Elihu's endorsement of Birthright (ok, ok, defense of) and even Aliya's tepid nod. Dash cham to all- Bobbie 16794 210 34_RE: Any suggestions? RE: Ma'apilim12_Dave Edelman21_docdave@optonline.net31_Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:57:59 -0500449_us-ascii Without going into too much in the way of who said what to whom and when, I have every reason to believe that the theme music (This Land is Mine.") was written by a then blacklisted Shmuel Fershko (sp?) and attributed elsewhere.

Is there anyone who has any more information on this? What, if anything, is the film making community doing to acknowledge the real creators of the many works created by this body of crypto-artists? [...] 17005 51 21_Re: "OUR" music on CD0_15_RONOREN@aol.com29_Wed, 28 Feb 2001 03:23:57 EST597_US-ASCII JUDY B. WROTE:



So would I, Judy! That, in a nutshell, is why I started saving those dusty discs. I rechecked my sources lately, and there is still hardly anything. The best, and my favorite, is Karmon Israeli. To me, they personify Kibbutz and Chalutzik music, like Ez Vakeves, Erev Shel Shoshanim, Ma Omrot Einayich, Shibolet Basadeh, etc. 2 CDs are available, from their 2 American-released albums, "Israel Sings" and "Songs of the Sabras". I [...] 17057 28 21_Re: "OUR" music on CD22_Deborah M Tanzer-Cohen15_candeb@juno.com31_Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:04:31 -0600647_- I will be cleaning out my mother's house this weekend, and I know I will find some Oranim Zabar records, possible some other gems, as well. The music library at Gratz College has been the beneficiary of numerous old record collections over the years, and has been transferring from vinyl to CD as funding has permitted. If anyone is looking for something specific that would be a good source. The phone there is 215-635-7300. I think their catalogue is on-line. Debbie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For [...] 17086 33 19_Re:HABONIM ARCHIVES8_guttbass25_guttbass@netvision.net.il31_Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:48:47 +0200479_iso-8859-1

The Jewish Frontier is still being published - with a healthy subscription list of thousands. My father, Nahum Guttman, is the editor, and indeed has back issues at the LZA office. Richard, you are welcome to contact him for copies of your work.

Occasionally the Frontier has had photos on the cover, but in general severe budgetary constraints have obviated fancy graphics and glossy paper. The inner content is more important than a pretty face. [...] 17120 18 15_Jewish Frontier16_Elihu D. Davison21_EliD@worldnet.att.net31_Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:10:05 -0500501_us-ascii Complete sets of the Jewish Frontier might be found at the Library of Congress in Washington, DC and at Harvard's Widener Library Judaica collection in Cambridge, Ma.

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